UPDATES: Bromley riots
11:30pm Monday 8th August 2011 in Where I Live By David Mills and Robert Fisk
UPDATES: Bromley riots
POLICE cordoned off Bromley town centre with both the high street and Bromley South train station closed as rioting spread across London.
4.15: Two police patrol cars are keeping watch over Bromley town centre and are expected to continue for the rest of the night.
03.15 It remains calm on Bromley High Street at the moment. Only an alarm sounding from Barclays Bank can be heard as a lone fox sifts through the debris.
02.35 Police are being warned that people are starting to head back towards the Bromley High Street area.
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02.00: Bromley town centre has now quietened down and cordens have been removed. The police are continuing with foot patrols in the area.
A police officer said he is getting reports of possible incidents occuring in Penge and Orpington.
00.45 Looting is taking place in Bromley. We spoke to a girl who got caught up the melee.
She said: "We got chased for no reason just because we were walking through and they chased us from outside TK Maxx to round by the civic centre.
“Everyone was running and we just wanted to see what was going on.
“I saw a blond boy take an Xbox from round the back of Argos, he got a TV and something stupid, something little.
“People say they are going to smash up Primark and burn it down.
“Everyone is coming up here, the later it gets the more people will come back. I just want to watch. I'm not stupid enough to go in, I'm banned from Primark.”
23.30: Bromley High Street is closed with 16 bus routes on diversion, following rioting in Market Square.
Richer Sounds in East Street has also had its windows smashed.
There have been unconfirmed reports on Twitter that fires have broken out at Primark and Topshop.
Bromley South train station has also been closed.
A riot police officer told News Shopper that there had been "sporadic incidents featuring small groups" throughout the town centre.
Comments(89)
It's Me again !
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11:10pm Mon 8 Aug 11
cm punk
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11:18pm Mon 8 Aug 11
susurs
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11:23pm Mon 8 Aug 11
thecableguy
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11:23pm Mon 8 Aug 11
PM might authrize water cannon in the morning.
It's Me again !
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11:25pm Mon 8 Aug 11
thecableguy wrote:Where did you hear that ?
Bromley hit. Charlton asda,pcworld and currys been hit. Sainsburys sydenham been hit. Eltham,woolwich.
PM might authrize water cannon in the morning.
Administrator
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11:25pm Mon 8 Aug 11
thecableguy
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11:27pm Mon 8 Aug 11
thecableguy
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11:28pm Mon 8 Aug 11
pancake1
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11:31pm Mon 8 Aug 11
cookie41
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11:32pm Mon 8 Aug 11
Shanew55
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11:33pm Mon 8 Aug 11
plasticfantastic
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11:35pm Mon 8 Aug 11
thecableguy
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11:36pm Mon 8 Aug 11
As far as I been told no-one got hurt.
cookie41
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11:38pm Mon 8 Aug 11
susurs
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11:40pm Mon 8 Aug 11
plasticfantastic
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11:41pm Mon 8 Aug 11
superchazney
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11:42pm Mon 8 Aug 11
Administrator
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11:48pm Mon 8 Aug 11
susurs wrote:Charity shops, Mcdonalds.. and Tesco.
what's in orpington?
buttons1
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11:58pm Mon 8 Aug 11
Eren.Ust
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12:06am Tue 9 Aug 11
cookie41
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12:10am Tue 9 Aug 11
suchfools
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12:10am Tue 9 Aug 11
Eren.Ust
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12:13am Tue 9 Aug 11
upperclass
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12:15am Tue 9 Aug 11
Here is a google map of riot areas.
http://maps.google.c
o.uk/maps/ms?msid=20
7192798388318292131.
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7&msa=0&ll=51.558503
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195,0.
cookie41
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12:16am Tue 9 Aug 11
i swear if i ever see one of my kids doing some thing like that they wouldnt be able to sit down for a week.
Eren.Ust
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12:21am Tue 9 Aug 11
mccuskerxx
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12:26am Tue 9 Aug 11
mrfoster
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12:27am Tue 9 Aug 11
coolgal109
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12:29am Tue 9 Aug 11
thecableguy
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12:33am Tue 9 Aug 11
Eren.Ust wrote:When we was younger parents could disipline us.
Thanks for the google map link, it still says unconfirmed.. Not heard anything on the bbc news yet.. I'm 21 an when I was being brought up if me or one of my brother done something bad like get in a fight we'd be feeling it when we got home to our dad, parents have gotten soft, there's no discipline..
As a parent of 3 teens (whom stay in doors) the things I can and cant do has changed big time. If i was to punish my kids the way I was punished i'd be in court for child abuse.
We 'Parents' havent got soft. Our ability to punish our kids has been taken from us.
cm punk
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12:37am Tue 9 Aug 11
coolgal109 wrote:any photos?
St Mary's Cray Nugents reatil park has been hit too!
liadtwad
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12:39am Tue 9 Aug 11
cm punk wrote:Any confirmation of what shops have been hit in Nugent?
coolgal109 wrote:any photos?
St Mary's Cray Nugents reatil park has been hit too!
superchazney
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12:44am Tue 9 Aug 11
kevint1972
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12:45am Tue 9 Aug 11
olliesbaby
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12:47am Tue 9 Aug 11
Eren.Ust
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12:48am Tue 9 Aug 11
kevint1972 wrote:I know, the bbc news are way too slow, they just keep repeating and not updating.. Haha no there is a difference, zombies dress better then chavs..
The news can't keep up. I've read loads of eyewitness reports from places that the news channels and websites haven't mentioned. This is basically happening everywhere there's shops worth nicking stuff from. It's like Dawn of the Dead with chavs instead of zombies, not that there's much difference.
rosiescott97
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12:53am Tue 9 Aug 11
rosiescott97
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12:54am Tue 9 Aug 11
mccuskerxx wrote:Post the pics? Upload them to Tinypic then put the links on here please :) x
Topshop,Primark, JD, have been hit in bromley lots of looters. pictures on facebook.
superchazney
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12:54am Tue 9 Aug 11
4cnrj
Carphone Warehouse Orp
not sure if you can open this one, http://www.facebook.
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Jd Sports in Bromley
rosiescott97
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12:57am Tue 9 Aug 11
mccuskerxx wrote:Thanks. Scary stuff! Any chance you could save the facebook photo to your computer, then post it on a website? x
Topshop,Primark, JD, have been hit in bromley lots of looters. pictures on facebook.
mccuskerxx
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1:01am Tue 9 Aug 11
superchazney
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1:02am Tue 9 Aug 11
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liadtwad
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1:05am Tue 9 Aug 11
rosiescott97
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1:05am Tue 9 Aug 11
mccuskerxx
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Eren.Ust
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1:08am Tue 9 Aug 11
liadtwad wrote:from what I know is there are two van full of police there with a small group of kids wandering around.. as to if anything has been broken into I'm not sure
Am after confirmation as to what has been hit in Nugent Shopping Park. Please confirm/deny what has been looted/set on fire. Serious confirmations only please!
mccuskerxx
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1:08am Tue 9 Aug 11
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rebeccataylor
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1:10am Tue 9 Aug 11
I thin kI convinced myself enough there to allow me to sleep in peace now without worrying!!!
pancake1
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1:10am Tue 9 Aug 11
AuntiePanda
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1:11am Tue 9 Aug 11
Lee-anne
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HeatherTaz
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1:25am Tue 9 Aug 11
peterls
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1:25am Tue 9 Aug 11
Eren.Ust
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1:29am Tue 9 Aug 11
peterls wrote:Bromley is fine, there's been police blocking all roads for quite a while now, not heard any riots there so far.. And for Orpington a mate that lives near the Nugents centre says that they have police there too so nothing else will happen there, not sure what has happened there before they got there tho... But both places should be locked down pretty well
hi Can someone please confirm the state of the riots in Bromley and Orpington. As my friend is in a state of panic as she has a young child at home with her. Please .
HeatherTaz
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1:32am Tue 9 Aug 11
mccuskerxx wrote:Where's this?
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suchfools
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1:34am Tue 9 Aug 11
HeatherTaz
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1:40am Tue 9 Aug 11
loulou69
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1:56am Tue 9 Aug 11
@thecableguy - I fully agree but then some people would not discipline their children even if the laws changed to allow it. Too many human rights going on nowadays, has caused all this calamity and mayhem....
HeatherTaz
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2:04am Tue 9 Aug 11
kevint1972
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2:19am Tue 9 Aug 11
Very undiscriminating aliens?
laney89
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3:05am Tue 9 Aug 11
lenniewinks
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6:16am Tue 9 Aug 11
shazza678
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7:16am Tue 9 Aug 11
shazza678
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7:32am Tue 9 Aug 11
suchfools wrote:Well said. I think you are right but you watch all the do gooders disagree. A short sharp slap never hurt me.
these peoplel are no better than the 7/11 bombers and the government are mainly to blame because of all their stupid rules and laws such as parents being arrested if they discipline their children and police not being allowed to do their jobs properly due to being accused of their acts being racist and being against human rights i mean come on england bring dicipline back into schools and allow parents to dicipline their children and let police do their jobs and things like this wouldn't happen!
andygino
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8:57am Tue 9 Aug 11
We now have a feral generation fed on pizza and larger brainwashed by 'non judgemental teaching with the mantra of 'no consequences or resposibility for their actions, while droning on about 'equality and diversity, feeding the notion of self pity for not having the latest trainners...'Its all the bankers fault' they bleat' as they lay in bed until midday, go and spend some their benefit, or go out and nick something.
I'm afraid the chickens have come home to roost.
Liberties
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9:59am Tue 9 Aug 11
The rioters were mainly smaller gangs of kids, some looked 15 years old, the oldest ones I saw were early 20's
They weren't all from ethnic minorities so you couldn't really call it a race riot
There were a lot of uniformed police kettling them down towards Bromley South and a large group in Riot gear positioned out of sight by Churchill Theater gardens, to be fair to the police they seemed to be doing a reasonable job containing the situation
A lot of these kids were just here to rob, that was obvious, many however looked vexed like they had been brewing some anger for years and it was now all exploding
I call these kids the ASBO generation, I have seen them being bullied and harassed from the age of 10 upwards for skateboarding, riding bikes in the park and merely congregating in public places, they have grown up being treated like scum simply for being kids by both the police and the public
This is the result of unintelligent policing policies that focus on criminalizing easy targets like kids or married people who argue (you must have hear the Met's radio ads, grass on your neighbor when you hear them having a domestic, we'll make it stop) Lazy target reaching policing because real criminals are much harder to catch and convict
The dumb policies of the Met and their "positive arrest policies" for certain PC "crimes" is blowing up in their faces, they have alienated large segments of society who are otherwise law abiding and now that anger is being thrown back at them
JimBeckenham
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10:18am Tue 9 Aug 11
JimBeckenham
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10:19am Tue 9 Aug 11
JimBeckenham
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10:21am Tue 9 Aug 11
Biscuit
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10:35am Tue 9 Aug 11
I'm sure all the hardworking people out there who've lost their livelihoods and their homes and had their communities ruined, are grateful for your sympathy towards the scum who have burnt their buildings and stolen their belongings.
coolgal109
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11:00am Tue 9 Aug 11
As for Nugents there was people running up to st Mary's cray station last night with many items from shops. Also by the looks of it curry's and hmv had been brocken into!I didn't get to close.
coolgal109
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11:00am Tue 9 Aug 11
As for Nugents there was people running up to st Mary's cray station last night with many items from shops. Also by the looks of it curry's and hmv had been brocken into!I didn't get to close.
Woopsthatwentabitwrong
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11:03am Tue 9 Aug 11
I have lived in Bromley all my life and also grown up here: Youths in Bromley only get hassled because they deserve it: If you don't cause trouble, you're left alone. End of.
They are doing it because they can: literally monkey-see, monkey-do.
I'll be very surprised if they are disadvantaged beyond having to save a few weeks for an X-Box, and I'll bet you that outside Tottenham not one of them could tell you Mark Duggan's name.
By talking of soft target policing, left-wing nannying and parents with no empowerment, you provide a platform for their actions - I truly believe that in this instance, these lazy cliches are used as a convenient justification for what is only mindless anarchy.
In Bromley, it is certainly not the blossoming of a generation expressing their disaffected youth...
A far greater reason for them doing it is a free flat screen TV or some Nike trainers.
WolverineX
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11:09am Tue 9 Aug 11
Time for action on these mindless idiots, saw interview of one masked rioter this morning on TV who said its because they are angry and unhappy with the government - wake up guys this is not the way to get your voice heard and expect reasonable action. Stop all this now and come to the table and talk - voilence, crime does not get you anywhere.
It's time to suspend Twitter, Face Book, Blackberry messenger and for these networks to work with the police and offer up the details of anyone sending messages that are intent on these riots.
You mindless Zombies get out of our town now and don't think of coming to Bromley, the town folks won't stand for your loutish behaviour!
PaulErith
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11:11am Tue 9 Aug 11
Lets stop **** footing around in this country with human rights and all that rubbish. These scum lose their human rights the minute they pick up a brick or a petrol bomb or smash in a shop window.
Dr. HowardFeelgood
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11:20am Tue 9 Aug 11
the wall
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12:06pm Tue 9 Aug 11
+1 vote for shooting !
PaulErith
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1:22pm Tue 9 Aug 11
the wall wrote:Hey, that's got to be the first time that we've agree on something. o:)
Don't quite understand looting whilst rioting. At what point do you stop standing up for what you believe in and decide life would be better with a free radio alarm clock ? +1 vote for shooting !
Have your say
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1:51pm Tue 9 Aug 11
Liberties wrote:What an absolute ****
OK I walked home up the High St last night through the middle of this "Riot"
The rioters were mainly smaller gangs of kids, some looked 15 years old, the oldest ones I saw were early 20's
They weren't all from ethnic minorities so you couldn't really call it a race riot
There were a lot of uniformed police kettling them down towards Bromley South and a large group in Riot gear positioned out of sight by Churchill Theater gardens, to be fair to the police they seemed to be doing a reasonable job containing the situation
A lot of these kids were just here to rob, that was obvious, many however looked vexed like they had been brewing some anger for years and it was now all exploding
I call these kids the ASBO generation, I have seen them being bullied and harassed from the age of 10 upwards for skateboarding, riding bikes in the park and merely congregating in public places, they have grown up being treated like scum simply for being kids by both the police and the public
This is the result of unintelligent policing policies that focus on criminalizing easy targets like kids or married people who argue (you must have hear the Met's radio ads, grass on your neighbor when you hear them having a domestic, we'll make it stop) Lazy target reaching policing because real criminals are much harder to catch and convict
The dumb policies of the Met and their "positive arrest policies" for certain PC "crimes" is blowing up in their faces, they have alienated large segments of society who are otherwise law abiding and now that anger is being thrown back at them
alas
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4:59pm Tue 9 Aug 11
Liberties wrote:What an absolute crock.
OK I walked home up the High St last night through the middle of this "Riot"
The rioters were mainly smaller gangs of kids, some looked 15 years old, the oldest ones I saw were early 20's
They weren't all from ethnic minorities so you couldn't really call it a race riot
There were a lot of uniformed police kettling them down towards Bromley South and a large group in Riot gear positioned out of sight by Churchill Theater gardens, to be fair to the police they seemed to be doing a reasonable job containing the situation
A lot of these kids were just here to rob, that was obvious, many however looked vexed like they had been brewing some anger for years and it was now all exploding
I call these kids the ASBO generation, I have seen them being bullied and harassed from the age of 10 upwards for skateboarding, riding bikes in the park and merely congregating in public places, they have grown up being treated like scum simply for being kids by both the police and the public
This is the result of unintelligent policing policies that focus on criminalizing easy targets like kids or married people who argue (you must have hear the Met's radio ads, grass on your neighbor when you hear them having a domestic, we'll make it stop) Lazy target reaching policing because real criminals are much harder to catch and convict
The dumb policies of the Met and their "positive arrest policies" for certain PC "crimes" is blowing up in their faces, they have alienated large segments of society who are otherwise law abiding and now that anger is being thrown back at them
The attitudes of do-gooders like this have permeated society to such an extent that we almost believe it to be true.
However, the truth is that the neanderthals we see on the street today are the result of not knowing right from wrong and always being led to believe they can do no wrong and it's everybody else's fault.
Just the same as you are doing now.
shazza678
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6:17pm Tue 9 Aug 11
alas wrote:Well said
Liberties wrote:What an absolute crock.
OK I walked home up the High St last night through the middle of this "Riot"
The rioters were mainly smaller gangs of kids, some looked 15 years old, the oldest ones I saw were early 20's
They weren't all from ethnic minorities so you couldn't really call it a race riot
There were a lot of uniformed police kettling them down towards Bromley South and a large group in Riot gear positioned out of sight by Churchill Theater gardens, to be fair to the police they seemed to be doing a reasonable job containing the situation
A lot of these kids were just here to rob, that was obvious, many however looked vexed like they had been brewing some anger for years and it was now all exploding
I call these kids the ASBO generation, I have seen them being bullied and harassed from the age of 10 upwards for skateboarding, riding bikes in the park and merely congregating in public places, they have grown up being treated like scum simply for being kids by both the police and the public
This is the result of unintelligent policing policies that focus on criminalizing easy targets like kids or married people who argue (you must have hear the Met's radio ads, grass on your neighbor when you hear them having a domestic, we'll make it stop) Lazy target reaching policing because real criminals are much harder to catch and convict
The dumb policies of the Met and their "positive arrest policies" for certain PC "crimes" is blowing up in their faces, they have alienated large segments of society who are otherwise law abiding and now that anger is being thrown back at them
The attitudes of do-gooders like this have permeated society to such an extent that we almost believe it to be true.
However, the truth is that the neanderthals we see on the street today are the result of not knowing right from wrong and always being led to believe they can do no wrong and it's everybody else's fault.
Just the same as you are doing now.
Oldchap
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6:57pm Tue 9 Aug 11
glittervix
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7:00pm Tue 9 Aug 11
She said: "We got chased for no reason just because we were walking through and they chased us from outside TK Maxx to round by the civic centre.
“Everyone was running and we just wanted to see what was going on.
“I saw a blond boy take an Xbox from round the back of Argos, he got a TV and something stupid, something little.
“People say they are going to smash up Primark and burn it down.
“Everyone is coming up here, the later it gets the more people will come back. I just want to watch. I'm not stupid enough to go in, I'm banned from Primark.”
She just "wanted to watch". Watch what? Idiots going into a shop she is banned from? She probably gave them a bl**dy shopping list too!
Yep + another vote for shooting and include the brainless parents too. I'm sick of paying for low life like them.
Hiper Deactive
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7:13pm Tue 9 Aug 11
I was born in Bromley and i still live here and at no point in my life have i ever wanted to go and rob a shop for any reason.
Years ago i was stopped by the Police while on my way home one night and questioned by them , it seemed that there had been a robbery in the local area and i somehow fitted the description of one of the crooks, after being questioned and proving to them i wasnt involved they let me go.
Did i start a riot because of this?......nope , i walked home and went to bed.
The Police are there for a reason and if they decide to give you kids who are looting a good kick up the **** then you deserve all you get , if you dont rob shops then you wont get arrested or battered by the Police , its not hard to understand.
And also if you want something from a shop , go and buy it like the rest of us have to , this country doesnt owe you a thing.
the wall
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8:38pm Tue 9 Aug 11
Oldchap
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11:47am Fri 12 Aug 11
However, despite the actions of these feral scum, we live in a civilised country - and it is unlikely many will receive custodial sentences (prisons already full) so perhaps a fine (as many are on benefit we end up paying)!
Perhaps they should be dressed in pink overalls, given a brush & told to clear up the mess
reasonable75
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12:46pm Fri 12 Aug 11
Laura Johnson, 19, was charged with five counts of burglary in connection with the theft of goods from stores in south London during unrest on the capital's streets.
The former grammar school pupil achieved four A*s and nine As at GCSE and is the daughter of a successful businessman who owns a large detached farmhouse in Orpington, south east London, according to reports.
plasticfantastic
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11:11am Sun 14 Aug 11
shazza678 wrote:You are a stupid misinformed person. What you write here is absolute crap. You really don't have a clue what is going on.
alas wrote:Well said
Liberties wrote:What an absolute crock.
OK I walked home up the High St last night through the middle of this "Riot"
The rioters were mainly smaller gangs of kids, some looked 15 years old, the oldest ones I saw were early 20's
They weren't all from ethnic minorities so you couldn't really call it a race riot
There were a lot of uniformed police kettling them down towards Bromley South and a large group in Riot gear positioned out of sight by Churchill Theater gardens, to be fair to the police they seemed to be doing a reasonable job containing the situation
A lot of these kids were just here to rob, that was obvious, many however looked vexed like they had been brewing some anger for years and it was now all exploding
I call these kids the ASBO generation, I have seen them being bullied and harassed from the age of 10 upwards for skateboarding, riding bikes in the park and merely congregating in public places, they have grown up being treated like scum simply for being kids by both the police and the public
This is the result of unintelligent policing policies that focus on criminalizing easy targets like kids or married people who argue (you must have hear the Met's radio ads, grass on your neighbor when you hear them having a domestic, we'll make it stop) Lazy target reaching policing because real criminals are much harder to catch and convict
The dumb policies of the Met and their "positive arrest policies" for certain PC "crimes" is blowing up in their faces, they have alienated large segments of society who are otherwise law abiding and now that anger is being thrown back at them
The attitudes of do-gooders like this have permeated society to such an extent that we almost believe it to be true.
However, the truth is that the neanderthals we see on the street today are the result of not knowing right from wrong and always being led to believe they can do no wrong and it's everybody else's fault.
Just the same as you are doing now.
cm punk says...
10:53pm Mon 8 Aug 11