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CHINGFORD: Community and council divided over future of historic building


A COMMUNITY is at loggerheads with the council over the future of a landmark building and former pub, which was closed down following drug raids.

The Bull & Crown, in the Green, Chingford, has been boarded up and empty since the police operation last summer but its future is uncertain.

A representative of the building’s owner Atlantic Housing, Iain Duncan Smith MP and dozens of residents on Friday met to discuss possible uses for the listed building and were united in their view that it should not re-open as a bar, following years of anti-social behaviour.

Atlantic has drafted plans to convert the upper floors into 12 flats.

Atlantic Housing Director George Leonidas said the ground floor will includes a bar, restaurant or small supermarket.

But council conservation officers want the building's traditional use, as a bar, maintained.

p> This is despite Atlantic admitting it would prefer not to establish a bar on the site as it would be more difficult to sell the flats and residents do not want a return to the problems associated with the venue in the past.

Mary Stimson, 61, of the Woodland Road residents' association, said :”We had many anti-social behaviour problems when it was a pub, people use to vandalise cars and smash bottles in the street.

Laurence Downes, 48, also of Woodland Road, said: “The Bull & Crown has been here for a long time and is a big part of Chingford's history.

“But it can't re-open as a pub because of its reputation over the last 10 years.”

The residents are overwhelmingly in favour of creating a small supermarket or developing extra flats instead.

Iain Duncan Smith said: “I will definitely have to go to the council about this, they have no right to make an insistence about that at all.

“Nobody here would ever have voted for a bar in that place because we have had so many problems in the past.”

Because of the size of the development, Atlantic is required to provide social housing, but Mr Leonidas is hoping a deal can be done to provide affordable homes on land the company owns elsewhere in the borough.

An application will be submitted as soon as the social housing and ground floor use issues are resolved, he added.

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Comments(4)

ITISMEAGAIN says...
9:54am Sat 20 Mar 10

The council kill dead,any prospect to make this listed building back to its former glory, on the exterier It don't need a supermarket, there are two just across the road in Station Rd. It don't need a restaurant, there is one next door. And most of all it don't need social housing. The owner will find it imposible to sell the remaining flats, As the kind of people the council will put in the flats will ruin them and drag the status of the private ones down as well.I am not against council tenants,I was given a council house on Chingford Hall Estate when it was first built in 1968. I was not given any money to move,I was just happy to get a nice place to live with my family,and have a bathroom.I have heard that people have been given displacement allowances of two thousand pounds for moving from demolished tower blocks,to new houses on the same site It did not take long before it got a bad reputation. People let dogs foul the corridors, People urinating and vomiting in the lifts.Then the people who caused this situation, started screaming we are living in slums. And most of them were on social benifits.And the decent tenants had to live in horrendous conditions

Fishy Bristol says...
4:59pm Sat 20 Mar 10

they made the bakers arms into a nice paddy Power where everyone lost their dole money on the Gold Cup so maybe a bookies would be good?

Pamella says...
11:23am Mon 22 Mar 10

I think North Chingford could do with another supermarket however seeing as there will hardly be any parking facilities i dont see how it can be accommodated.

i actually think the council might be right with this; it should stay as a bar. i cant see why it should be troublesome, if its policed properly.

susansilver says...
12:57pm Sun 28 Mar 10

Being a resident of Pretoria road, The bull and crown caused many many problems. Its exterior can stay as it is but internally it should be purely residential, any other use would not only cause anti social problems, but more horrendous parking issues as well.
We do not need another bar, supermarket or pub on the sight, they are closing everyday, we have a restaurant next door and the Kings Head pub a few yards away, and it would be impossible to sell nice appartments with such things below, let alone the havoc in the area.
As the government are trying to clean up the drink problem with children and young people is it correct for the council to have another Pub or Bar right next to at least 3 school, our children do not need to see drunken behaviour at all hours.
Perhaps we should think along the lines of a Tea/Coffee shop that would close at an early hour. that is if it is really necessary for there to be any buisness use there at all. I really dont think in planning terms that this is a legal requirement, it is just what a conservation officer thinks is necessary. But having the facade, would do just the same job.


MP Iain Duncan Smith (second right) with local residents outside the Bull and Crown in Chingford Local residents question Tas Alexandrou (left) about plans for the Bull and Crown Local residents question Tas Alexandrou (left) about plans for the Bull and Crown George Leonidas and Tas Alexander of developers Atlantic House

MP Iain Duncan Smith (second right) with local residents outside the Bull and Crown in Chingford

Local residents question Tas Alexandrou (left) about plans for the Bull and Crown

Plans for the Bull and Crown

George Leonidas and Tas Alexander of developers Atlantic House



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