Historians wage war over site of battle of Barnet

Frank Baldwin of the Battlefields Trust at what is currrently believed to be the battle site Frank Baldwin of the Battlefields Trust at what is currrently believed to be the battle site

A NEW Battle of Barnet has broken out this week as historians argue over the true site of the historic skirmish.

Amateur historian Martin Reboul has hit out at recent claims that the site of the battle was not at Hadley Green as has always been thought, but in fact at a site near Kitts End.

The claims are based on the research of another local historian Brian Warren, who believes he has found the site by identifying the location of a chapel built for soldiers who died in the battle.

The Battlefields Trust is currently launching an appeal to raise money for an archaeological survey at the new site in Kitts End.

Mr Reboul said: "I am afraid he is just wrong. He is digging up something else but he is convinced it is the chantry (chapel) that was built just after the battle in 1471. If anyone is going to do some digging there, it should be done in the right place. It would be a major project. I have tried Time Team but they are all booked up.

"Unfortunately the crucial thing is he has overlooked a vital map from 1726. I have been looking into this for 20 years and I think I have found out everything that can be known about it. I can't prove anything but nor can he."

Mr Reboul believes a land survey map dating from 1726 of what is now Old Fold Manor golf course holds the key to finding the chapel. The map plots the location of a number of trees in the area, which he believes can be used alongside the contemporary sources to identify the site of the battle.

He said: "It is the most detailed map you have ever seen. It was in a deeds box with some solicitors in Barnet for years, but it has now been published in books. It has got clues on it that show where the chapel was."

But Mr Warren said: "The trees which were surveyed and marked on the 1726 map are nowhere near old enough to be there at the time of the Battle of Barnet.

"You would have to find a vast amount of armour at the site. They found a vast amount of metalwork at Bosworth, so you have to do the same for Barnet.

"As far as I am concerned, I have spent years doing this work. I am not in competition with anyone at all. I am just putting forward my views."

The Hadley Green site was investigated by the BBC programme Two Men in a Trench, but little evidence of the battle's location was found. The Battlefields Trust is holding a historical walk around the area on April 12 to raise money towards a new archaeological dig.

Comments(6)

Grumblepop says...
6:20pm Tue 30 Mar 10

A NEW Battle of Barnet has broken out this week as historians argue over the true site of the historic skirmish.
"I can't prove anything but nor can he."

Who is corrrect? Give each a sword shield and armour, let the battle of Barnet's Historians commence. Winner gets bragging rights and becomes curator of Times-series archives.

chris stevens says...
4:59pm Wed 31 Mar 10

Surely we need a full re-enactment with original costumes and weapons and the correct number of soldiers?
Let them fight it out on the golf course and the Green and see which is the best re-enactment.
Tickets could be sold online to pay for costs, injuries, loss of life etc.
I'm sure an enterprising broker could arrange Personal Injury, Loss of Earnings, and Life Cover.
I think thousands would pay to see it!
If we sold the TV rights, Pay for View or Box Office, we would make a nice profit!

Grumblepop says...
9:19pm Wed 31 Mar 10

Chris I fully agree with you
We could include our Councillors among the soldiers - man, that would be fun. The income would go some way towards better teaching of history in our schools.

Antoinette says...
4:04pm Thu 1 Apr 10

I'd like to see Councillor Coleman play Warwick the kingmaker (plenty of experience after all - sigh, always the kingmaker, never the king eh) ... I'm sure thousands would pay over the odds to see his part in the Battle of Barnet re-enacted, especially the dramatic ending where poor old Warwick is well and truly ambushed by triumphant Yorkists ...

Battlefields Trust says...
2:34pm Wed 7 Apr 10

I don't think that the battlefields Trust is 100% certain that the battlefield is at Kitts End, or whether Kitts End might be the Northern or Southern part of the battlefield. Brian Warren put forwards a plausible argument after spending years reconstructing the C15th landscape from land deeds and terriers. This is very commendable work for which he deserves praise and recognition.

All we know is that we can now find artefacts from C15th battlefields. In the past, the absence of any archeological finds from Hadley Green has been ignored because it has been assumed that we would be very lucky to find anything.

We would like to raise enough money to check whether Kitts End is the battlefield as well as considering any other locations that can be supported by evidence. If Martin Reboul would like to contact the Trust and share his argument and evdence we would be delighted to include it within the scope of the proposed study

Battlefields Trust says...
5:51pm Thu 8 Apr 10

THE BATTLEFIELD WALK IS ON SUNDAY 11TH AND NOT MONDAY 12TH APRIL 2010 MEET OLD MONKLEN HALT PUBLIC HOUSE 11 AM

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