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£1m at risk in housing sell-off vote

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ABOUT £1m of public money could be lost if a council loses a vote to sell off its council houses.

Wycombe District Council wants to sell its 6,500 homes to a tenant-led housing association – and wants to set aside £995,000 for the vote next autumn.

Housing boss Chris Watson said: “It is a risk worth taking. The benefits to the tenants would increase if the transfer took place.”

Bosses say they cannot invest in homes enough because the Government takes half of tenants’ rents for other councils.

A TLSO would be keep all the cash, which chiefs say would massively improve homes, and borrow running costs. Tenants would be on the management board.

The move is likely to prove controversial. Transfer to a standard housing association was defeated in a vote which cost Conservative-run WDC £700,000 in 2000.

A recent survey of about five per cent of tenants found 47 per cent were in support while 28 per cent said no. Some 22 per cent were unsure and the rest did not answer.

The cash for the new vote would be paid from a fund mostly made up of tenants' rents.

Eileen Short, chairman of the Defend Council Housing pressure group, warned a yes vote would mean “privatisation” of the service.

She said: “Tenants are on the board but they are legally company directors and have responsibility in law to putting the interests of the company first.

“Tenants cannot make the housing association buck the market. Council housing has accountability, a de-selectable landlord.”

The council was “rushing” into the vote despite suggestions of a shift in Government housing policy, she said. Ministers are trebling investment it was announced in June.

But Martin Hale, WDC council head of housing, said: “I am picking up that the feeling now is very different from tenants [compared to the last vote].

“There is a lot more tenant involvement. The last time it was seen as something that was done to them.”

Tenants would have the same rights under a TLSO, Mr Hale said, except new ones would not be able to buy their homes.

The sell-off is supported by the Wycombe Tenant and Leaseholder Committee, which liaises with the council on behalf of tenants.

A yes vote would net the cash-strapped council an estimated tens of millions of pounds, which it can spend how it likes. This would return cash spent on the vote.

The counci's cabinet is expected to approve putting aside the cash at its meeting on Monday. This would then be confirmed by the full council with a vote on December 14.

The TLSO would be called Red Kite (Housing the Community) Limited.

Comments(14)

DeepThinker says...
11:49am Thu 3 Dec 09

£995,000 for a vote on 6500 homes? That's £153 per home!
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So who is getting this money for organizing the vote? I'll do it for £650,000!
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The council will then fritter away the money and in 10 years time (when most of these councillors are no longer on the council) the same old problems will be back, but then there will be nothing left to sell!
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Tennants will be on the "board of directors". That is all well and good, but the rest of the directors will be "professionals". I can't see the residents representatives being able to stand up to some of these other "directors". You just need to look at similar schemes elsewhere in the country and talk to their residents representatives.
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It is all a sham to get the cash to cover up the years of mismanagement by the council.

Voyeur says...
12:44pm Thu 3 Dec 09

Exactly what has changed since the last vote was taken?
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Nothing.
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At least they could have the decency to put it in their election manifesto and wait until after the next election.

678 says...
12:53pm Thu 3 Dec 09

why should the council sell of houses at a knock down price to people on benefits who don't even work!

Blueberry says...
1:04pm Thu 3 Dec 09

What nonsense.
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The money won't be "lost" if they don't sell the houses, because the council will still have them as an asset.

wycombenewbie says...
1:07pm Thu 3 Dec 09

Voyeur wrote:
Exactly what has changed since the last vote was taken? . Nothing. . At least they could have the decency to put it in their election manifesto and wait until after the next election.
Actually a lot has changed. Have you been under a rock?
The Central (labour) Government is bankrupt. So it now takes 50% of tenants rent, leaving WDC with only half. Why does the Government have a right to take any?

I'll back the council here, the Westminster government is effectively stealing from the tenants rent. This is outrageous and time can not be afforded to wait for an election just so it can be put in a manifesto, before its brought to an end.

100% of rent should be used to manage the housing stock and to service Labour's loans.

demoness says...
1:37pm Thu 3 Dec 09

678 wrote:
why should the council sell of houses at a knock down price to people on benefits who don't even work!
meanwhile in the land of sweeping and offensive generalisations.... a very silly person utters more nonsense.

davidjc says...
3:08pm Thu 3 Dec 09

Eileen Short, chairman of the Defend Council Housing pressure group, warned a yes vote would mean “privatisation” of the service.

She said: “Tenants are on the board but they are legally company directors and have responsibility in law to putting the interests of the company first.

“Tenants cannot make the housing association buck the market. Council housing has accountability, a de-selectable landlord.”

The council was “rushing” into the vote despite suggestions of a shift in Government housing policy, she said. Ministers are trebling investment it was announced in June.

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I have to counter these remarks by defend council housing by saying, firstly that the structure of Red Kite is being discussed at the moment and it puts the tenants at the heart of the decision making, this structure will be available to all tenants in the not too distant future to look at and comment on, tenants will see that, although Ms Short is right about the board, the key part of Red Kite will be accountability to the TLC and the tenant and leaseholder base which will remain a central figure, in the new organisation.

As far as the vote is concerned, a ballot next October is not considered, by the tenants involved in participation, to be rushed. We have been working on the project for the last two years and believe that the pace at which this project travels is a reasonable one and as Tenants we are NOT feeling rushed at all an agreement between the Council and the tenants was met on the time line two years ago when the process started.

If you are a tenant or leaseholder of WDC and are concerned about any details in this article there is a tenant advice number you can call, they will be happy to answer any of your questions. 0800 884 0800

Voyeur says...
5:08pm Thu 3 Dec 09

Wycombenewbie - you are wrong.
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Central Government have been taking 50% of the rents for quite a number of years - it is not something new that has changed.
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They also take a significant part of the revenues from house sales to tenants, although that has dried up a lot due to the credit crunch.
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Blueberry - the £1 million will be lost because that is the cost of engaging consultants to perform the consultation and voting exercise.
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If, as before, the tenants vote it down, that £1 million will be lost into the pockets of the consultants.

I am surprised that the council can put this sum of money at risk when money is so tight already.
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Public ownership of housing is still seen as a good thing and with the possible political changes to come, even more so.

DeepThinker says...
5:15pm Thu 3 Dec 09

wycombenewbie wrote:
Voyeur wrote: Exactly what has changed since the last vote was taken? . Nothing. . At least they could have the decency to put it in their election manifesto and wait until after the next election.
Actually a lot has changed. Have you been under a rock? The Central (labour) Government is bankrupt. So it now takes 50% of tenants rent, leaving WDC with only half. Why does the Government have a right to take any? I'll back the council here, the Westminster government is effectively stealing from the tenants rent. This is outrageous and time can not be afforded to wait for an election just so it can be put in a manifesto, before its brought to an end. 100% of rent should be used to manage the housing stock and to service Labour's loans.
You say this ... but the government is very likely going tio change its complexion within 7 months. Surely the council could wait until that happens and see if central government still wants to take 50%.
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J B Blackett says...
11:16pm Thu 3 Dec 09

Ahh , I see now.
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The £1,000,000 pounds the Council made by selling our (Not The Council's) Bassetbury Manor to a private school , is going to be spent on their (Not Our) consultants.
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It makes you wonder , does it not. It's a funny (funny as in suspect) old world , isn't it ?
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Regards
PS Is it true that an ex-council member of WDC has managed to add (with WDC approval) 11 extra bedrooms on his council house ?

Voyeur says...
1:14am Fri 4 Dec 09

JBB - sounds like bunkum to me! :-)

aspen g says...
2:33pm Fri 4 Dec 09

678, Marlow says...
12:53pm Thu 3 Dec 09

why should the council sell of houses at a knock down price to people on benefits who don't even work!

More high level muppetry... as if people on benefits can get a mortgage to buy a house? People with jobs and good incomes are struggling to get mortgages.

Try engaging brain before opening mouth - your embarassing Marlow


ferrellcat says...
5:58pm Fri 4 Dec 09

Bucks Free Police, where is my comment.It was the first one on here. It was not rude in any way but concise. ( you can be so irritating ).Put it back please

bakerbill says...
9:01pm Fri 4 Dec 09

Spot on DeepThinker ,so it's costing Wycombe Council an incredible £153 per home for this vote , are the voting forms made of gold leaf . If the tenants vote no this time will the council repeat this and spend another £995,000 of our cash in 5 or so years time to get a yes vote .

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