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Fears over major Daws Hill homes plan

How the scheme could look How the scheme could look

LOOKING at a photograph of High Wycombe from the sky – now available at the touch of a button thanks to the wonders of the internet – it is clear to see why Wycombe District Council is taking a consultation on the RAF Daws Hill and Abbey Barn sites so seriously.

If you split the town into four with the vertical divide of the A404 and the horizontal divide of the A40 you see the top two and bottom left sections are heavily populated by housing and businesses.

Yet the bottom right quarter is noticeably greener. This is in part due to Wycombe Abbey School and The Rye but also fields between Abbey Barn Lane and the former RAF Daws Hill, off Daws Hill Lane, which closed last year.

Yet it could look a lot more built up if options being put forward by the council are approved. Added to the approved housing development for Wycombe Marsh, near London Road, this is likely to be the biggest issue facing the south east part of the town in the coming years.

Two plans have been put forward for the former American-led base, owned by the Ministry of Defence, and neighbouring fields, owned by Carrington Estates, and another, separate, piece of land nearer the Marsh.

“Option A” is primarily residential with 1,200 to 1,500 detached, semi, terraced and townhouses with more than 15 hectares of open space. “Option B” would see 1,100 to 1,300 townhouses and terraces, some detached and semi-detached homes and office space for 3,000 new jobs.

What do you think of the plans? Leave your comments at the bottom of this story.

At the root of this is the Government’s demand that councils find space for new homes to help bring house prices down. In Wycombe, the fourth biggest district council area in the UK, this means 400 new homes a year to 2026. Clearly, the council needs all the space it can get.

To say this has caught the attention of residents in the Daws Hill and Abbey areas is something of an understatement. A public meeting held last month drew almost 200 people – and two more “workshops” had to be held the following month to satisfy demand. Further consultation is expected in the summer.

The proposals will mostly affect the former base and neighbouring land, known as Abbey Barn South. Abbey Barn North, a vast crater of land between the former Wycombe Summit and Kingsmead Road, is not affected by plan A, the council told Bucks Free Press.

But Option B would see “limited housing development on it with the remainder retained as open space/nature reserve” on the land, part owned by the council.

Vivienne Danne, 65, who lives with husband David at the beginning of Abbey Barn Lane, near the Marsh, said she is worried by any moves to build on this site.

She said: “It is going to make the traffic much worse. You get a backlog on the motorway and you can’t move on this road.”

Looking at the council’s notes about the October meeting it is clear the resulting surge in vehicles is a major concern.

“Already traffic congestion in the morning on the road at Daws Hill Lane” says one. “Congestion issues already on Kingsmead Road at the Marsh. Safety concerns” reads another.

Councillor Trevor Snaith, a district council member for Ryemead, said: “The increases in traffic will be considerable, between 300 and 500 per cent.

“My concern is that a development of this size can have major repercussions on not just Daws Hill but into the Marsh area and onto London Road.”

He said he applauded moves to create extra services including a new primary school, community hall, medical centre and shops, but called for more leisure facilities and fewer homes to cut early morning traffic.

This was backed by Stanford Gardens residents Claire Reeves, whose street borders the former base.

She said: “We are worried about the effect on the price of our houses and the throughput of traffic. It is bad at the moment. I have sat for two hours to get from here to Cressex, that is usually a six minute journey.”

Neighbour Mike Tomich, 60, whose home borders Daws Hill, said: “The traffic is too much already, it has been since the mid 1990s.”

Yet the council said it is committed to managing the extra traffic.

A council statement given to Bucks Free Press said: “This involves looking at the highway network and congestion issues, public transport provision, and provision for cycling and walking in the area.”

The council is considering radical proposals to deal with the rise in vehicle numbers.

This could include a new road cutting across country between the A404 and Heath End Road. See map, above left. An alternative is to widen Winchbottom Lane and link it to the A404.

Also in the plans is a new road, for public transport only, out of Daws Hill and down the side of St Augustine’s Primary and St Bernard’s Catholic Secondary schools.

This would then cut through woodland adjacent to the M40 through to Wycombe Sports Centre, which is to be rebuilt by the council, to create a new junction at Handy Cross.

Wycombe MP Paul Goodman said he was prepared to speak out on major planning applications but wanted to see firm proposals before commenting.

Comments(22)

SDJones says...
10:26am Fri 28 Nov 08

no to cutting through woodland or building on fields stop it now!

arewenearlythereyet? says...
10:40am Fri 28 Nov 08

"I have sat for two hours to get from here to Cressex, that is usually a six minute journey.”

If it really takes that lomg, then I would suggest that not only is it cheaper to walk but quicker too!!!

Anwar Mohammed Akhtar Ali says...
10:44am Fri 28 Nov 08

I thought building on woodland and "greenfield" sites was a big no no? Why are we doing that when there are plenty of disused sites?

"LOOKING at a photograph of High Wycombe from the sky .... If you split the town into four .... you see the top two and bottom left sections are heavily populated by housing and businesses .... Yet the bottom right quarter is noticeably greener"

This childlike rationale used by whoever is making these decisios is not good strategic planning really is it?

Elmo says...
10:45am Fri 28 Nov 08

This area was always my preferred location for a new stadium. no mention of it here however.

faisal mahmood says...
10:47am Fri 28 Nov 08

wheres Ivor!

Anwar Mohammed Akhtar Ali says...
10:53am Fri 28 Nov 08

Faisal - he's you, you're him.

Punchy says...
10:58am Fri 28 Nov 08

I think the light development of the HW south east quadrant is what keeps Wycombe's roads ticking, it's just that we don't appreciate it.

There will be no more large new build schemes in Wycombe, the depression we are in has taken care of that. Unless, of course, WDC are going to guarantee to buy unsold housing stock at agreed prices?

You wouldn't do something like that would you WDC? You'd really want to consult taxpayers first before doing something like that wouldn't you WDC?

Slacker says...
11:25am Fri 28 Nov 08

I have heard of this plan for months but was hoping it would never happen.

The traffic through Flackwell is already really bad now and adding over 1,000 homes to this plus businesses is just going to make things worse. Its even worse than that if there has been an accident on the motorway, the village just gets totally blocked. There is just too many people using Flackwell as a rat-run to Bourne End and to bypass London Road to get to the motorway.

There is another potential problem aswell and that is the foundations of that yellow shaded area on that pic. Under the ground there houses the old RAF/USAF control centre, as far as I know it goes almost right up to the college underground. So if that ground section is hollow part way down, building heavy houses on top could prove problematic and could lead to a collapse?

Punchy says...
11:55am Fri 28 Nov 08

What about opening up the underground tunnel to Whitehall as a toll road?

Can we talk about that on here? ;-)

smiley cat says...
12:06pm Fri 28 Nov 08

Anwar Mohammed Akhtar Ali wrote:
Faisal - he's you, you're him.
Awww

That is actually quite romantic... they are as one! :)

Tref says...
12:20pm Fri 28 Nov 08

NIMBYtastic.

It makes perfect sense to use this brownfield site for housing. We need more homes - but make them affordable small houses this time - not more apartments. The real issue is how dense the housing will be.

How about a new motorway junction? Some will say it is too close to Handy Cross, but I think it would work - moving a lot of traffic into the M40. Also, traffic would be much safer and would flow better if they removed those darned speed bumps.

Tharus Bond says...
1:39pm Fri 28 Nov 08

Leave it as it is! there are already a number of dwellings on the RAF base so they could use them! No more develop please!

bernaaard says...
2:40pm Fri 28 Nov 08

What on earth is the point in building yet more housing in Wycombe when noone can get a mortgage to buy them at the moment. We dont need more houses, if you look around there are enough for sale anyway, just noone with the finances to buy them.

Tref says...
3:01pm Fri 28 Nov 08

bernaaard wrote:
What on earth is the point in building yet more housing in Wycombe when noone can get a mortgage to buy them at the moment. We dont need more houses, if you look around there are enough for sale anyway, just noone with the finances to buy them.
Bernaaard - our population is growing, there is huge demand for housing. We're in a short-term market dip. Whether it lasts 2 or 5 years we will come out of it and demand will exceed supply again = prices shoot up. We need to plan ahead for this - I'm sure all the major builders are trying to work out when to get back to work on development. It is a matter of WHEN, not IF.

Also, the banks will gradually offer better deals once the dust has settled too.

Punchy says...
4:07pm Fri 28 Nov 08

Tref, you are wrong Bernard is right.

This is not a "short-term market dip" but a market correction on the scale of the 1930's Depression. People like you and I will be inhabiting tent cities by the time this one draws to a close.

sarah north says...
11:27pm Fri 28 Nov 08

I am very disappointed with the proposals. I live in High Wycombe and understand that people need housing. However, I work outside of High Wycombe and unfortunately a lot of people have a negative image of Wycombe. To make Abbey Barn/Daws Hill another built up area would be a travesty. Lets be honest and admit there are very few green pleasant areas in High Wycombe. To have another 1300 houses would destroy the beauty of the area. Look at how Cressex Road has been ruined with the new busy road going towards John Lewis. I think that going ahead with the building of the number of suggested houses would just give be another reason for the people of Beaconsfield, Marlow etc to look down on our beloved High Wycombe. The council doesn't seem to care about preserving the town's historic charm.

wayneo says...
12:26am Sat 29 Nov 08

Peprphaps we should look at the reasons why we need so much housing? too much immigration for starters; where does it end? The roads are already at breaking point and so is the patience of people.

wayneo says...
12:29am Sat 29 Nov 08

h, and why are this Council panderin to the will of Government? have these Councillors no backbone? it is the people who vote them in, it is the people they should listen to, not soe lily-livered Nu-Labour scumbag in Westminster, for god's sake grow a pair WDC.

Tref says...
5:56pm Sat 29 Nov 08

Punchy wrote:
Tref, you are wrong Bernard is right. This is not a "short-term market dip" but a market correction on the scale of the 1930's Depression. People like you and I will be inhabiting tent cities by the time this one draws to a close.
Two things.

1. Stop reading the Daily Mail. We're talking ourselves into a bigger recession than is needed, and papers like this do not help.

2. We have learned a lot in the past recessions (OK, we have not learned how to avoid a recession...). While I'm no fan of some of Labour's ideas to minimize the pain (VAT drop is a waste of time for example), we will come out only slightly bruised. I suggest you study Economics before predicting a 'tent city' scenario.


Punchy says...
10:56am Sun 30 Nov 08

Tref, it's people like you that really scare me. You see "21st Century living" as your inalienable right rather than a privilege built on a mountain of false promises and buy now, pay tomorrow financial products.

Look at our country does it not scare you that we hardly MAKE anything any more. You are about to see our service sector contract by 75-85%.

Do you as an individual or we as a country have anything to offer that others may want to buy? If you and we don't then an unpleasant shock awaits.

Why don't you put a pair of trainers on some time today and head out for a nice jog. Feel the air in your lungs, but also do make sure you watch the world hurtling by in cars.

Look into the cars Tref, you will not see Disraeli rushing to Parliament to deal with the latest foreign crisis, or a local dignatory rushing to his factory to solve a major production hiccup.

What you will see is the masses rushing to stock up on tv dinners and cases of stella for, well, umm, no reason at all!

It's just mad Tref, and it's all all got to change!

When you come home Tref (enjoy the hot shower, that's a privilege too by the way, just to remind you!) take a good hard look at the lady facing you and the children depending on you. If you don't feel like crying then you haven't really understood what I am trying to say.

Tref, I am not a Daily Mail reader nor with the God Squad, just an honest guy who smells what quite simply MUST be around the corner for all of us.

Have a good day.

Punchy says...
11:25am Sun 30 Nov 08

Tref, it's people like you that really scare me. You see "21st Century living" as your inalienable right rather than a privilege built on a mountain of false promises and buy now, pay tomorrow financial products.

Look at our country does it not scare you that we hardly MAKE anything any more. You are about to see our service sector contract by 75-85%.

Do you as an individual or we as a country have anything to offer that others may want to buy? If you and we don't then an unpleasant shock awaits.

Why don't you put a pair of trainers on some time today and head out for a nice jog. Feel the air in your lungs, but also do make sure you watch the world hurtling by in cars.

Look into the cars Tref, you will not see Disraeli rushing to Parliament to deal with the latest foreign crisis, or a local dignatory rushing to his factory to solve a major production hiccup.

What you will see is the masses rushing to stock up on tv dinners and cases of stella for, well, umm, no reason at all!

It's just mad Tref, and it's all all got to change!

When you come home Tref (enjoy the hot shower, that's a privilege too by the way, just to remind you!) take a good hard look at the lady facing you and the children depending on you. If you don't feel like crying then you haven't really understood what I am trying to say.

Tref, I am not a Daily Mail reader nor with the God Squad, just an honest guy who smells what quite simply MUST be around the corner for all of us.

Have a good day.

Observer of says...
8:35pm Sun 30 Nov 08

This planning process is supposed to be strategic - it isn't going to happen next year or the year following. So comments about the current economic crisis are not really relevant. We got over the 1920's depression and we will get over this recession as well.

Planning is about deciding what you want and where you need it. I think replacing some sparsely spread RAF buildings with deveolpment sympathetic to its environment would be great for the town of High Wycombe.

If you drive through Bierton, just north of Aylesbury, you will see there are plans for 6,000 houses. Another 4,400 houses for Leighton Buzzard. And Aylesbury a further 10,000 houses. That area will be lots of infra-structure funding because of the new houses and population.

High Wycombe will get virtually nothing because it resists almost all attempts of putting new housing in Wycombe.

So this planned development does have some positives about it. It needs to be done carefully and thoughtfully and that is what this consultation is all about.

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