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EPPING FOREST: BNP and golf course opponents take town and parish council seats
THE British National Party has won its first seats on a town or parish council in the Epping Forest district taking five seats on Loughton Town Council.
Meanwhile leading protesters fighting the Parsonage golf course development in Theydon Bois, who contested the election standing as Theydon Bois Independents, have won three seats on Theydon Bois Parish Council.
The campaigners have been fighting the golf course plans, the importation of material onto the site, and the hundreds of lorries which have been carrying the material to the land, off Abridge Road.
The full parish and town council results, with the elected candidates, in capitals:
BUCKHURST HILL PARISH COUNCIL: BUCKHURST HILL EAST - PETER SPENCER (Lib Dem) 741, DEV DODEJA (Lib Dem) 705, LEN MARTIN (Lib Dem), 618, ELEONOR SPENCER (Lib Dem) 602, MALCOLM WOOLLARD (Lib Dem) 598, Marshall Vance (Con), 591, Terence O'Gara (Con) 557.
BUCKHURST HILL WEST: JILL SUTCLIFFE (Lib Dem) 1,007; JOYCE DARBY (Lib Dem) 976, RONALD BRAYBROOK (Con) 971; BOB CHURCH (Con), 960; ANGELA CASS (Con) 926; SYLVIA WATSON (Con) 895; Angie Blanche (Lib Dem) 883; Haluk Ulkun (Con) 882; Margaret Hollingshurst (Lib Dem) 853; Peter Sinfield (Lib Dem) 846; Barbara Blossom (Buckhurst Hill Residents Society) 758.
EPPING TOWN COUNCIL: HEMNALL - ALAN WARNER (Lib Dem) 973; William Breare-Hall (Con) 968.
LOUGHTON TOWN COUNCIL: LOUGHTON ALDERTON - ROSE BROOKES (LRA) 857; TONY FRANKLAND (BNP) 458; RODNEY LAW (BNP) 413; Neil Woollcott (Lib Dem) 289; Maureen Boatman (Lab) 260; Eddie Boatman (Lab) 216; Raymond Harris (Alliance for Green Socialism) 148; Simon Bullough (Lab) 134.
LOUGHTON BROADWAY - PAT RICHARDSON (BNP) 445, THOMAS OWEN (Lab) 438), GARRY MARTIN (BNP) 408; Valerie Metcalfe (Con) 378; Roger Salmon (Lab) 341; Jill Bostock (Lab) 326; Peter Relph (Alliance for Green Socialism) 214.
LOUGHTON FAIRMEAD - CAROL DAVIES (LRA) 678; ALEXANDER COPELAND (BNP) 375; BEN GLASSMAN (Con) 315, Peter Turpin (BNP) 286; John Game (Lab) 213; Matthew Hartley (Lab) 175; Peter Fuller (Lib Dem) 161; Margaret Owen (Lab) 148.
L:OUGHTON FOREST - Suzanne Harper (LRA) 1,279; PETER HOUSE (LRA) 1,265; JILL ANGOLD-STEPHENS (LRA) 1,262; Paul Evans (BNP) 134; Terry Howard (BNP) 132.
LOUGHTON RODING - STEPHEN MURRAY (Ind) 1,196; KENNETH ANGOLD-STEPHENS (LRA) 882; MARGARET CHALK (LRA) 744; DAVID WIXLEY (LRA) 660; Lorne Daniel (Con) 320; Tom Richardson (BNP) 211; Graham Cater (BNP) 187.
LOUGHTON ST JOHNS - CAROLINE POND (LRA) 1,205; STEPHEN PEWSEY (LRA) 1,195; CHRIS POND (LRA) 1,155; Lynne Turpin (BNP) 152; Peter Cooper (BNP) 141.
LOUGHTON ST MARYS - RODNEY BARRETT (LRA) 961; ROY THOMSON (LRA) 951; LUCETTE HOWE (LRA) 927; Edward Stacey (Con) 500; Edward Butler (BNP) 130; Susan Clapp (BNP) 124.
THEYDON BOIS - PETER GOOCH (Local Alliance) 837; JENNY BERRY (Theydon Bois Independents) 804; SUSAN JONES (Local Alliance) 763; SUE SOWERBY (Theydon Bois Independents) 763; JACQUELINE DODMAN (Theydon Bois Independents) 761; JOHN PHILIP (Local Alliance) 744; ANTHONY PURKISS (Local Alliance) 728; MIKE HANNIBAL (Local Alliance) 728; MIKE EMMETT (Theydon Bois Independents) 725; PAUL VINCENT (Theydon Bois Independents) 724; PETER HAMMOND (Local Alliance) 716; Bob Day (Local Alliance) 703; Kenneth Cushing (Local Alliance) 686; George Howard (Lib Dem) 643; Trevor Harvey (Local Alliance) 577; Clive Amos (Local Alliance) 576; Martin Montgomery-Smith (Local Alliance) 525.
7:26pm Friday 2nd May 2008
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CommentPosted by: Caroline Henty, Loughton on 9:20am Sat 3 May 08
Well done the Brirish National Party five seats is great news.
A Special WELL DONE to the georgeous Richard Barnbrook despite all the main parties ganging up on him he won through.
Well done the Brirish National Party five seats is great news.
A Special WELL DONE to the georgeous Richard Barnbrook despite all the main parties ganging up on him he won through.
Posted by: Greg Turner, Loughton on 9:29am Sat 3 May 08
Excellent London results for the BNP despite all the muck thrown at them by self-serving politicians, a hostile media and the Labour Party's communist friends in the communist Hope-not-Hate/Search
light gangs!
Excellent London results for the BNP despite all the muck thrown at them by self-serving politicians, a hostile media and the Labour Party's communist friends in the communist Hope-not-Hate/Search
light gangs!
Posted by: harry, Not in Enfield on 9:48am Sat 3 May 08
So the BNP will be deporting golfers? Good idea.
So the BNP will be deporting golfers? Good idea.
Posted by: Arthur on 10:04am Sat 3 May 08
So, all you lefty lie-mongers ..... who are seen to the real haters now!
You are!
You so-called "antifascists" - from now on the Searchlight turns on you!!!
So, all you lefty lie-mongers ..... who are seen to the real haters now!
You are!
You so-called "antifascists" - from now on the Searchlight turns on you!!!
Posted by: Bert on 10:15am Sat 3 May 08
Well done BNP truth honesty and decency will always win through.
Well done BNP truth honesty and decency will always win through.
Posted by: Observer (original) on 10:26am Sat 3 May 08
What a load of crap. A nazi is a nazi is a nazi. And if Pat Richardson genuinely believes that people of foreign descent who are born here should all be required to leave, then she should buy herself a single ticket to either Romania or Lithuania.
Hypocritical old cow.
What a load of crap. A nazi is a nazi is a nazi. And if Pat Richardson genuinely believes that people of foreign descent who are born here should all be required to leave, then she should buy herself a single ticket to either Romania or Lithuania.
Hypocritical old cow.
Posted by: harry, Not from Enfield on 10:49am Sat 3 May 08
Is it a flood lit golfcourse? In that case, I might join. Its only the lazy work-dodging day-time crowd I don't like.
Is it a flood lit golfcourse? In that case, I might join. Its only the lazy work-dodging day-time crowd I don't like.
Posted by: Jaffacake, Waltham Forest on 11:00am Sat 3 May 08
Harry, you are not taking these people seriously enough. They want people to think they are important. Big important parish councillors. Making important decisions about... nothing.
It fills the sad vacuum in their bitter twisted lives. But now they are out in the open, so we can all know who the bad smell is coming from in Epping Forest. No Searchlights needed.
Harry, you are not taking these people seriously enough. They want people to think they are important. Big important parish councillors. Making important decisions about... nothing.
It fills the sad vacuum in their bitter twisted lives. But now they are out in the open, so we can all know who the bad smell is coming from in Epping Forest. No Searchlights needed.
Posted by: Anon on 12:25pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]Caroline Henty[/bold] wrote:
Well done the Brirish National Party five seats is great news. A Special WELL DONE to the georgeous Richard Barnbrook despite all the main parties ganging up on him he won through.[/quote] It says it all really about you BNP supporters' intelligence level when you can't even spell properly. Now I understand why you spout such nastiness - you're ignorant and illiterate
Caroline Henty wrote:
Well done the Brirish National Party five seats is great news. A Special WELL DONE to the georgeous Richard Barnbrook despite all the main parties ganging up on him he won through.
It says it all really about you BNP supporters' intelligence level when you can't even spell properly. Now I understand why you spout such nastiness - you're ignorant and illiterate
Posted by: Marie, Theydon Bois on 12:28pm Sat 3 May 08
Caroline - is this the extent of your political views when you can only see a politian for their looks? You spelt it incorrectly by the way. Is this the same BNP guy who was in the news for having cheated on his wife with an immigrant?
Caroline - is this the extent of your political views when you can only see a politian for their looks? You spelt it incorrectly by the way. Is this the same BNP guy who was in the news for having cheated on his wife with an immigrant?
Posted by: Mr khalid, walthamstow on 12:38pm Sat 3 May 08
i no like this bnp but the parson vote becose to many pepal come uk and useded the contry for self and the gordon brown have the no control airport and al the imgrants come on the trian and the boat and walk in and take the monys uk easy and now the brown must loked he self in miror see what he do for the pepal
i no like this bnp but the parson vote becose to many pepal come uk and useded the contry for self and the gordon brown have the no control airport and al the imgrants come on the trian and the boat and walk in and take the monys uk easy and now the brown must loked he self in miror see what he do for the pepal
Posted by: G Reynolds, Loughton on 2:29pm Sat 3 May 08
Well done the British National Party ! More & more people are seeing through the vicious campaign of lies that the corrupt major parties
engage in through their media. They have no answer to your policies, so have to resort to endless abuse. Take it from whence it comes. Keep up the good work, and one day we'll have a BNP government.
Well done the British National Party ! More & more people are seeing through the vicious campaign of lies that the corrupt major parties
engage in through their media. They have no answer to your policies, so have to resort to endless abuse. Take it from whence it comes. Keep up the good work, and one day we'll have a BNP government.
Posted by: Kate on 2:38pm Sat 3 May 08
Well done BNP great results all over the UK.
Well done BNP great results all over the UK.
Posted by: Cllr Julian Leppert, Loughton on 3:54pm Sat 3 May 08
Hey Marie!
If you are going to make snide anti-BNP remarks based on the proficiency of other peoples spelling, try learning to spell yourself. The word `politician` is spelt P.O.L.I.T.I.C.I.A.N.
Ok, got it?
Silly girl.
Cllr Julian Leppert
(elected BNP [bold]politician[/bold] )
Hey Marie!
If you are going to make snide anti-BNP remarks based on the proficiency of other peoples spelling, try learning to spell yourself. The word `politician` is spelt P.O.L.I.T.I.C.I.A.N.
Ok, got it?
Silly girl.
Cllr Julian Leppert
(elected BNP
politician )
Posted by: Observer on 5:30pm Sat 3 May 08
Elected politician? Another one who does nothing. But then what can you expect from Postman Pat?
Elected politician? Another one who does nothing. But then what can you expect from Postman Pat?
Posted by: Anon, Theydon Bois on 5:35pm Sat 3 May 08
Hey Cllr!
So, if Pat Richardson's sons want to marry someone of their own faith (i.e. the one their mtoher was born into and therefore they are of the faith too), what would you say about that integration? What do you think of Pat and Tom's union?
Hey Cllr!
So, if Pat Richardson's sons want to marry someone of their own faith (i.e. the one their mtoher was born into and therefore they are of the faith too), what would you say about that integration? What do you think of Pat and Tom's union?
Posted by: Dawn, London on 9:18pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]Caroline Henty[/bold] wrote:
Well done the Brirish National Party five seats is great news.
A Special WELL DONE to the georgeous Richard Barnbrook despite all the main parties ganging up on him he won through.[/quote] Spellings! What is it with you BNP people? Did you never go to school. Every time a leaflet comes through my letter box the spelling and grammer are appaling.
Please, please learn some basic English. It's embarassing.
Caroline Henty wrote:
Well done the Brirish National Party five seats is great news.
A Special WELL DONE to the georgeous Richard Barnbrook despite all the main parties ganging up on him he won through.
Spellings! What is it with you BNP people? Did you never go to school. Every time a leaflet comes through my letter box the spelling and grammer are appaling.
Please, please learn some basic English. It's embarassing.
Posted by: Ann, Epping on 9:20pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]Kate[/bold] wrote:
Well done BNP great results all over the UK.[/quote] Kate the Debden racist...what a surprise to see you here!
Kate wrote:
Well done BNP great results all over the UK.
Kate the Debden racist...what a surprise to see you here!
Posted by: George Deighton on 11:12pm Sat 3 May 08
If the GLA BNP votes had not been stolen they would have had onother two Cllrs elected. That really would have blown Gables searchlies brains out.!! See you.
But next time ?
If the GLA BNP votes had not been stolen they would have had onother two Cllrs elected. That really would have blown Gables searchlies brains out.!! See you.
But next time ?
Posted by: nick Barfoot on 11:17pm Sat 3 May 08
The reason the BNP are winning is becuse they have a country to fight for.
The reason the rabble are loosing, they have no country they gave it away.
The reason the BNP are winning is becuse they have a country to fight for.
The reason the rabble are loosing, they have no country they gave it away.
Posted by: redman, E11 on 12:10am Sun 4 May 08
the bnp is nothing more than a racist party trying to make themselves appear to be distinguished.
they talk crap about immigration, but what they fail to realise is how much british people have become immigrants, going to places like austrailia, africa & the america's and make up most of the population in many of these places.
if the brits never went to these places in the first place in the masses, then they would not have so many immigrants coming here in the first place.
the bnp is nothing more than a racist party trying to make themselves appear to be distinguished.
they talk crap about immigration, but what they fail to realise is how much british people have become immigrants, going to places like austrailia, africa & the america's and make up most of the population in many of these places.
if the brits never went to these places in the first place in the masses, then they would not have so many immigrants coming here in the first place.
Posted by: chris, essex on 12:13am Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Dawn[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Caroline Henty[/bold] wrote: Well done the Brirish National Party five seats is great news. A Special WELL DONE to the georgeous Richard Barnbrook despite all the main parties ganging up on him he won through.[/quote] Spellings! What is it with you BNP people? Did you never go to school. Every time a leaflet comes through my letter box the spelling and grammer are appaling. Please, please learn some basic English. It's embarassing.[/quote] Your grammar appears reasonable, but your spelling?
Dawn wrote:
Caroline Henty wrote: Well done the Brirish National Party five seats is great news. A Special WELL DONE to the georgeous Richard Barnbrook despite all the main parties ganging up on him he won through.
Spellings! What is it with you BNP people? Did you never go to school. Every time a leaflet comes through my letter box the spelling and grammer are appaling. Please, please learn some basic English. It's embarassing.
Your grammar appears reasonable, but your spelling?
Posted by: Ha ha, Loughton, Essex on 1:03am Sun 4 May 08
The BNP lost two out of the three seats it was defending on the district council, but won five seats on the parish council. I wonder how far the BNP will be able to take their anti-Black, anti-Muslim agenda in issues such as dog fouling and playground equipment? The single-issue BNP agenda cannot be played out on the parish council and it is only a matter of time before the bigots elected to the parish council will lose interest. I doubt most will be there in four years' time. They weren't particularly committed when it came to the district council, which has more powers. You see, the arguments over immigration and religion do not belong to a council chamber and beyond these issues the BNP has little to say.
The reason why the BNP picked up seats on the parish council is because most other parties did not bother to contest the seats and put up a full slate of candidates. They are still outnumbered by the residents association by three to one.
The BNP lost two out of the three seats it was defending on the district council, but won five seats on the parish council. I wonder how far the BNP will be able to take their anti-Black, anti-Muslim agenda in issues such as dog fouling and playground equipment? The single-issue BNP agenda cannot be played out on the parish council and it is only a matter of time before the bigots elected to the parish council will lose interest. I doubt most will be there in four years' time. They weren't particularly committed when it came to the district council, which has more powers. You see, the arguments over immigration and religion do not belong to a council chamber and beyond these issues the BNP has little to say.
The reason why the BNP picked up seats on the parish council is because most other parties did not bother to contest the seats and put up a full slate of candidates. They are still outnumbered by the residents association by three to one.
Posted by: Anne, Loughton, Essex on 7:57am Sun 4 May 08
My goodness, have you looked at the voting figures? Rose Brookes, twice beaten by the BNP had a clear lead by a couple of hundred votes on the BNP - the same in Fairmead.
Hardly an election for the BNP to be trumpet about - they not only lost District seats - they were clobbered.
Now let's see what the BNP can do at local level. Perhaps they could start by adding their phone numbers and email addresses to the Town Council website - or are they too scared of being contacted by their consituents who might ask them to do something on their behalf.
Why did the BNP lose out at District level? Because those of us who live in their wards know they did nothing to help us. Some of us had to contact the LRA in the end to get something done.
Despite what some of you think, the election wasn't about politics - it was about local issues and knowing who the people are who will fight for us when we need them.
Goodness knows what happened at town level but as the only responsibilities of the town council are the cemetery and the best dressed window competition at Christmas, there should be enough to keep them busy.
My goodness, have you looked at the voting figures? Rose Brookes, twice beaten by the BNP had a clear lead by a couple of hundred votes on the BNP - the same in Fairmead.
Hardly an election for the BNP to be trumpet about - they not only lost District seats - they were clobbered.
Now let's see what the BNP can do at local level. Perhaps they could start by adding their phone numbers and email addresses to the Town Council website - or are they too scared of being contacted by their consituents who might ask them to do something on their behalf.
Why did the BNP lose out at District level? Because those of us who live in their wards know they did nothing to help us. Some of us had to contact the LRA in the end to get something done.
Despite what some of you think, the election wasn't about politics - it was about local issues and knowing who the people are who will fight for us when we need them.
Goodness knows what happened at town level but as the only responsibilities of the town council are the cemetery and the best dressed window competition at Christmas, there should be enough to keep them busy.
Posted by: M Young, London on 10:42am Sun 4 May 08
Marie you should learn to spell yourself before critisising others
Marie you should learn to spell yourself before critisising others
Posted by: Kate, Loughton,Essex on 10:52am Sun 4 May 08
Richard Barnbrook wins just under 200,000 votes in Mayoral election.
The figures have finally been published and BNP London Assembly Member Richard Barnbrook polled 69,710 first preference votes PLUS 128,609 second preference votes. This making a total of 198,319 votes for Richard - which we believe is the largest vote ever for a British nationalist candidate.
I love the BNP.
Richard Barnbrook wins just under 200,000 votes in Mayoral election.
The figures have finally been published and BNP London Assembly Member Richard Barnbrook polled 69,710 first preference votes PLUS 128,609 second preference votes. This making a total of 198,319 votes for Richard - which we believe is the largest vote ever for a British nationalist candidate.
I love the BNP.
Posted by: harry, Not in Enflield on 11:09am Sun 4 May 08
But what is the BNP position on golf? Did Hitler play golf? Will they let us play after sunset? What about floodlighting?
But what is the BNP position on golf? Did Hitler play golf? Will they let us play after sunset? What about floodlighting?
Posted by: Observer (original) on 11:12am Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Kate[/bold] wrote:
Richard Barnbrook wins just under 200,000 votes in Mayoral election. The figures have finally been published and BNP London Assembly Member Richard Barnbrook polled 69,710 first preference votes PLUS 128,609 second preference votes. This making a total of 198,319 votes for Richard - which we believe is the largest vote ever for a British nationalist candidate. I love the BNP.[/quote] Votes from bigots like you, Kate of Debden. If people of immigrant descent should leave the country then why is Pat Richardson (Romania and Lithuania) not taking a ingle ticket on the next flight out of Stansted?
Kate wrote:
Richard Barnbrook wins just under 200,000 votes in Mayoral election. The figures have finally been published and BNP London Assembly Member Richard Barnbrook polled 69,710 first preference votes PLUS 128,609 second preference votes. This making a total of 198,319 votes for Richard - which we believe is the largest vote ever for a British nationalist candidate. I love the BNP.
Votes from bigots like you, Kate of Debden. If people of immigrant descent should leave the country then why is Pat Richardson (Romania and Lithuania) not taking a ingle ticket on the next flight out of Stansted?
Posted by: W Churchill, Bladon on 11:16am Sun 4 May 08
Hitler was crap at golf and ended up in the bunker.
Hitler was crap at golf and ended up in the bunker.
Posted by: Jaffacake, Waltham Forest on 11:46am Sun 4 May 08
Observer, you can't expect logic or consistency from the BNP. These are people who idolise the Nazis but think they are patriots. They think that they love their country but fail to understand anything about its history or what makes it great. A muddle-headed bunch of emotionally deprived cretins in cardigans at best, psychopaths at worst. I just feel sorry for the residents of Loughton who will have to live with these morons as their representatives until they can kick them out of office.
Observer, you can't expect logic or consistency from the BNP. These are people who idolise the Nazis but think they are patriots. They think that they love their country but fail to understand anything about its history or what makes it great. A muddle-headed bunch of emotionally deprived cretins in cardigans at best, psychopaths at worst. I just feel sorry for the residents of Loughton who will have to live with these morons as their representatives until they can kick them out of office.
Posted by: I'm laughing, Epping on 3:24pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]M Young[/bold] wrote:
Marie you should learn to spell yourself before critisising others[/quote] C-R-I-T-I-C-I-S-I-N-
G
You're so funny...
M Young wrote:
Marie you should learn to spell yourself before critisising others
C-R-I-T-I-C-I-S-I-N-
G
You're so funny...
Posted by: Paul, Walthamstow on 5:31pm Sun 4 May 08
Well, I see the fascist BNP lost two seats in Epping - good! They didn't make the gains they smugly expected across the country despite the positive press their policies get in most newspapers.
World domination put in hold.
Well, I see the fascist BNP lost two seats in Epping - good! They didn't make the gains they smugly expected across the country despite the positive press their policies get in most newspapers.
World domination put in hold.
Posted by: Caroline Henty, Loughton on 5:58pm Sun 4 May 08
Wow! sorry lefties...just tapped the wrong key. British National Party...is that right?
Still think Richard Barnbrook is the best looking politician in the UK.
Wow! sorry lefties...just tapped the wrong key. British National Party...is that right?
Still think Richard Barnbrook is the best looking politician in the UK.
Posted by: Caroline Henty, Loughton on 6:02pm Sun 4 May 08
Sorry, should have said sorry you really ugly lefties.
Shoulden't you be out doing some ballot box tampering,you very sad little things.
Sorry, should have said sorry you really ugly lefties.
Shoulden't you be out doing some ballot box tampering,you very sad little things.
Posted by: Gareth, Epping on 6:11pm Sun 4 May 08
Go to it Caroline.Can one have your telephone number?
Go to it Caroline.Can one have your telephone number?
Posted by: Anon, Epping on 6:29pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Caroline Henty[/bold] wrote:
Wow! sorry lefties...just tapped the wrong key. British National Party...is that right? Still think Richard Barnbrook is the best looking politician in the UK. [/quote] No you're still wrong, you spelt gorgeous incorrectly. And when you resort to personal insults you prove that like "ugly" you really show your true colours.
Caroline Henty wrote:
Wow! sorry lefties...just tapped the wrong key. British National Party...is that right? Still think Richard Barnbrook is the best looking politician in the UK.
No you're still wrong, you spelt gorgeous incorrectly. And when you resort to personal insults you prove that like "ugly" you really show your true colours.
Posted by: Sylvia Howard, Hainault on 6:32pm Sun 4 May 08
Nice one Julian. Your letters and leaflets are well known, and the best. Not one spelling mistake, ever. As for Anon (coward?) of Theydon Bois. Pat Richardson has the hardest job in the world, and l do not just mean her council work either. I can only hope you would never have made the remarks you did had you known what you were talking about. Because if you did know, then you would have to be an unfeeling moron.
Nice one Julian. Your letters and leaflets are well known, and the best. Not one spelling mistake, ever. As for Anon (coward?) of Theydon Bois. Pat Richardson has the hardest job in the world, and l do not just mean her council work either. I can only hope you would never have made the remarks you did had you known what you were talking about. Because if you did know, then you would have to be an unfeeling moron.
Posted by: Anon, Theydon Bois on 6:45pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Sylvia Howard[/bold] wrote:
Nice one Julian. Your letters and leaflets are well known, and the best. Not one spelling mistake, ever. As for Anon (coward?) of Theydon Bois. Pat Richardson has the hardest job in the world, and l do not just mean her council work either. I can only hope you would never have made the remarks you did had you known what you were talking about. Because if you did know, then you would have to be an unfeeling moron. [/quote] I write "Anon" for fear of repercussions of having bricks thrown through my window by BNP supporters. Theydon Bois is a small place and I'd rather write anon than my real name. I'm genuinely shocked that Pat Richardson manages to reconcile being Jewish with being a BNP activist. It doesn't take much searching on Google to find that the stalwart BNP supporters do NOT like Mrs Richardson's involvement with their party.
Sylvia Howard wrote:
Nice one Julian. Your letters and leaflets are well known, and the best. Not one spelling mistake, ever. As for Anon (coward?) of Theydon Bois. Pat Richardson has the hardest job in the world, and l do not just mean her council work either. I can only hope you would never have made the remarks you did had you known what you were talking about. Because if you did know, then you would have to be an unfeeling moron.
I write "Anon" for fear of repercussions of having bricks thrown through my window by BNP supporters. Theydon Bois is a small place and I'd rather write anon than my real name. I'm genuinely shocked that Pat Richardson manages to reconcile being Jewish with being a BNP activist. It doesn't take much searching on Google to find that the stalwart BNP supporters do NOT like Mrs Richardson's involvement with their party.
Posted by: Sian Forde, Leytonstone on 7:49pm Sun 4 May 08
Well done British National Party for the Epping seats and also for taking a seat at the London Assembly. For far too long it has been deemed "racist" to ask for St Georges Day, for locals to be housed first, to be concerned about the Islamification of Britain etc. Hopefully this is the start of the end of "political correctness". Immigrants should assimilate into British culture not create their own ghettos.
Well done British National Party for the Epping seats and also for taking a seat at the London Assembly. For far too long it has been deemed "racist" to ask for St Georges Day, for locals to be housed first, to be concerned about the Islamification of Britain etc. Hopefully this is the start of the end of "political correctness". Immigrants should assimilate into British culture not create their own ghettos.
Posted by: Jim Mitchell, Epping on 7:52pm Sun 4 May 08
I'm Irish and in modern language am called an "immigrant". I voted BNP, because Islam is being allowed to dictate what is and isn't permissiable in Britain. Irish people integrated into British society, they didn't set up ghettos, live off benefits, ask for translations etc. I integrated into this country, Bangladeshis or Pakistanis should do the same.
I'm Irish and in modern language am called an "immigrant". I voted BNP, because Islam is being allowed to dictate what is and isn't permissiable in Britain. Irish people integrated into British society, they didn't set up ghettos, live off benefits, ask for translations etc. I integrated into this country, Bangladeshis or Pakistanis should do the same.
Posted by: Reg O'Donoghue, Manford Way (Hainault) on 7:57pm Sun 4 May 08
I live in Hainault which is in the London Borough of Redbridge. Cllr Leppert is one of my ward Councillors. I voted Tory at the 2006 local elections. But, I must say through talking to my neighbours and family, I should have voted for Cllr Leppert. Despite concerns that the 'BNP' are a nasty party, I have heard of nothing but good. They fight for the local people on allotment issues, local housing, parking etc. Like me, people should judge them on their record, not on what they are told by the left or other critics.
I live in Hainault which is in the London Borough of Redbridge. Cllr Leppert is one of my ward Councillors. I voted Tory at the 2006 local elections. But, I must say through talking to my neighbours and family, I should have voted for Cllr Leppert. Despite concerns that the 'BNP' are a nasty party, I have heard of nothing but good. They fight for the local people on allotment issues, local housing, parking etc. Like me, people should judge them on their record, not on what they are told by the left or other critics.
Posted by: Observer (original) on 8:43pm Sun 4 May 08
Leppert does [bold]NOTHING[/bold] about allotments. Most of the local running is made by the Fullwell Ward Tory councillors.
Leppert does
NOTHING about allotments. Most of the local running is made by the Fullwell Ward Tory councillors.
Posted by: CH on 8:44pm Sun 4 May 08
Julian Leppert - the Redbridge councillor who does not even live in the borough but in that BNP enclave called Debden.
Julian Leppert - the Redbridge councillor who does not even live in the borough but in that BNP enclave called Debden.
Posted by: Reg O'Donoghue, Manford Way (Hainault on 9:14pm Sun 4 May 08
Typical bashing without checking facts or talking to the locals. You mean Cllr Leppert doesn't live in Redbridge like some other Tory, Lib Dem Cllrs in Redbridge don't? Do you criticise them? I understand he used to live / work in Woodford, and so has cultural and background links to the borough. And "observer" if you aren't going to come out from the dark and name yourself, how can people take you seriously or truthfully? As an allotment holder on Forest road, I say he does something for allotments, are you an allotment holder? Also as a former manual worker, I am thankful we finally have a working class Cllr, all others work in offices or are self employed.
Typical bashing without checking facts or talking to the locals. You mean Cllr Leppert doesn't live in Redbridge like some other Tory, Lib Dem Cllrs in Redbridge don't? Do you criticise them? I understand he used to live / work in Woodford, and so has cultural and background links to the borough. And "observer" if you aren't going to come out from the dark and name yourself, how can people take you seriously or truthfully? As an allotment holder on Forest road, I say he does something for allotments, are you an allotment holder? Also as a former manual worker, I am thankful we finally have a working class Cllr, all others work in offices or are self employed.
Posted by: Observer (original) on 9:42pm Sun 4 May 08
So he's "working" class - so was Adolf Hitler and we all know what he did. A nazi is a nazi is a nazi.
So he's "working" class - so was Adolf Hitler and we all know what he did. A nazi is a nazi is a nazi.
Posted by: Paula Warren, Leytonstone on 9:45pm Sun 4 May 08
Observer, I agree with Mr O'Donoghue, how can we take you seriously or trutfully if you don't put your name down? At least the BNP are transparent and stand for election - so you can vote or not vote for them.
Observer, I agree with Mr O'Donoghue, how can we take you seriously or trutfully if you don't put your name down? At least the BNP are transparent and stand for election - so you can vote or not vote for them.
Posted by: Tony Partridge, Harold Hill on 9:48pm Sun 4 May 08
Are 150,000 Londoners 'nazis' "observer" - the number that voted for a BNP London Assembly Member? You you must be living on cloud cookoo land!
Are 150,000 Londoners 'nazis' "observer" - the number that voted for a BNP London Assembly Member? You you must be living on cloud cookoo land!
Posted by: bobby hunter on 11:39pm Sun 4 May 08
Has anyone else noticed how much some on here hate Debden so much??
Has anyone else noticed how much some on here hate Debden so much??
Posted by: Paul, Walthamstow on 11:59pm Sun 4 May 08
People are often prone to spurious, simplistic arguments. They voted for Hitler. Don't be fooled again.
People are often prone to spurious, simplistic arguments. They voted for Hitler. Don't be fooled again.
Posted by: Paul, Walthamstow on 12:03am Mon 5 May 08
150,00 votes? Flies eat s hit - doesn't mean it's good!
Funny how people in areas that are 98% white vote for the racist, fascist BNP, but white people in mixed areas with 40% ethnic groups give the BNP a very wide berth. Goes to show that some folk are a bit more clued up and don't fall for shallow arguments.
150,00 votes? Flies eat s hit - doesn't mean it's good!
Funny how people in areas that are 98% white vote for the racist, fascist BNP, but white people in mixed areas with 40% ethnic groups give the BNP a very wide berth. Goes to show that some folk are a bit more clued up and don't fall for shallow arguments.
Posted by: Tracy McDermott, Harold Hill on 1:05am Mon 5 May 08
"Paul" if that is your real name. Surely it is because those in Redbridge, Havering etc used to live in East London and don't want the horror that has happened there to follow them out? Most of the people in Essex are originated from all the cockneys that moved out of Bethnal Green, Canning Town, Manor Park etc. "White flight" is a serious problem. "Multi-culturalism" is being rejected across Europe, for example in Italy, Rome has just elected a right centered leader.
"Paul" if that is your real name. Surely it is because those in Redbridge, Havering etc used to live in East London and don't want the horror that has happened there to follow them out? Most of the people in Essex are originated from all the cockneys that moved out of Bethnal Green, Canning Town, Manor Park etc. "White flight" is a serious problem. "Multi-culturalism" is being rejected across Europe, for example in Italy, Rome has just elected a right centered leader.
Posted by: Tony Partridge, Harold Hill on 1:08am Mon 5 May 08
"People are often prone to spurious, simplistic arguments. They voted for Hitler. Don't be fooled again". What an arrogant statement!!! I'm sorry were not all as clever as you must be?! You surely must be a Labour moll.
"People are often prone to spurious, simplistic arguments. They voted for Hitler. Don't be fooled again". What an arrogant statement!!! I'm sorry were not all as clever as you must be?! You surely must be a Labour moll.
Posted by: Essex Lady, Essex on 1:30am Mon 5 May 08
Paul, Walthamstow - maybe people who live in majority white areas vote BNP because they want their area to stay that way.
As for shallow arguments, do you want to live under Sharia Law?
Have you got young children whose education is being put at risk because their teachers have to concentrate on learning English to ethnic children?
Or possibly you have kids who are finding it increasingly hard to get a job, due to cheap labour being imported.
Or have you tried going to your local council for housing - if you are white & British do not bother you will be at the back of the queue.
Get back into your PC box and maybe, just maybe you will smell the stink that our "leaders" are heaping upon us in the name of "enrichment"
At least the BNP are giving people a light at the end of a VERY long tunnel that they have had to watch and feeling abandoned. People are voting for this party beacause they want their country back and they also want to
safeguard their culture.
Paul, Walthamstow - maybe people who live in majority white areas vote BNP because they want their area to stay that way.
As for shallow arguments, do you want to live under Sharia Law?
Have you got young children whose education is being put at risk because their teachers have to concentrate on learning English to ethnic children?
Or possibly you have kids who are finding it increasingly hard to get a job, due to cheap labour being imported.
Or have you tried going to your local council for housing - if you are white & British do not bother you will be at the back of the queue.
Get back into your PC box and maybe, just maybe you will smell the stink that our "leaders" are heaping upon us in the name of "enrichment"
At least the BNP are giving people a light at the end of a VERY long tunnel that they have had to watch and feeling abandoned. People are voting for this party beacause they want their country back and they also want to
safeguard their culture.
Posted by: Caroline Henty, Loughton on 9:22am Mon 5 May 08
Still think Richard Barnbrook is Gorg...lovely,lol Caroline xxx
Still think Richard Barnbrook is Gorg...lovely,lol Caroline xxx
Posted by: tom, essex on 9:31am Mon 5 May 08
"Maybe people in majority white areas vote BNP because they want their area to stay that way".
King Canute attitude to avoid facing reality.
"Maybe people in majority white areas vote BNP because they want their area to stay that way".
King Canute attitude to avoid facing reality.
Posted by: Francis, London England on 11:33am Mon 5 May 08
If you would like to telephone the Russian embassy to inform them of the massive voting fraud at the London Mayor elections the number is..0207 229 8027
I am sure Mr Putin will be only too pleased to hear from you after accusations by our corrupt government about election fraud in Russia.
If you would like to telephone the Russian embassy to inform them of the massive voting fraud at the London Mayor elections the number is..0207 229 8027
I am sure Mr Putin will be only too pleased to hear from you after accusations by our corrupt government about election fraud in Russia.
Posted by: John Hughes, Custom House on 12:00pm Mon 5 May 08
I was born in England, my neighbourhood was made up of English and Irish kids. That is how it should be, white people who share the same values. One an area becomes "ethnic" like Ilford, Gants Hill etc - No White people move in. Why? Because they are surrounded by Asian cultures that dominate all others. Asian people are as racist as White people. Every culture thinks it's is the best. The trouble with the left argument is that it thinks only the white working class are racist. It dosen't seem the problems on the other side or Islamic fundamentalism at the extreme.
I was born in England, my neighbourhood was made up of English and Irish kids. That is how it should be, white people who share the same values. One an area becomes "ethnic" like Ilford, Gants Hill etc - No White people move in. Why? Because they are surrounded by Asian cultures that dominate all others. Asian people are as racist as White people. Every culture thinks it's is the best. The trouble with the left argument is that it thinks only the white working class are racist. It dosen't seem the problems on the other side or Islamic fundamentalism at the extreme.
Posted by: Michaella Francis, Barkingside on 12:03pm Mon 5 May 08
Well done BNP, who cares what the disgruntled left or searchlight say on websites. They can't do jack! The English, Irish and Jewish people are fighting back against radical Islamists.
Well done BNP, who cares what the disgruntled left or searchlight say on websites. They can't do jack! The English, Irish and Jewish people are fighting back against radical Islamists.
Posted by: Katrina Aidoo, Woodford on 12:07pm Mon 5 May 08
There is no absolute entitlement for a foreign national to get housing because they are an immigrant. The problem is that when they all come here they have "no fixed abode" and so therefore they are deemed "homeless". They normally also have children or a family. It is because of this they are given more points by the Housing Teams and subsequently housed quicker than a young 18 English lad just wanting to move out. Locals should get housed before foreigners. I wouldn't get nothing if I went to Pakistan, India or Nigeria. England needs to wake up, we can't house the rest of the world - this ain't the United Nations Housing Association.
There is no absolute entitlement for a foreign national to get housing because they are an immigrant. The problem is that when they all come here they have "no fixed abode" and so therefore they are deemed "homeless". They normally also have children or a family. It is because of this they are given more points by the Housing Teams and subsequently housed quicker than a young 18 English lad just wanting to move out. Locals should get housed before foreigners. I wouldn't get nothing if I went to Pakistan, India or Nigeria. England needs to wake up, we can't house the rest of the world - this ain't the United Nations Housing Association.
Posted by: Anne, Loughton on 12:55pm Mon 5 May 08
I keep on hearing about whites being put at the back of the housing queue. How does that happen?
All local authorities restrict membership of the housing register until a family has lived in the borough / district for a number of years.
Asylum seekers and anyone else with a housing need - and children (why should we house single people? will be put into temporary accommodation.
Have you forgotten the Tories made LAs sell off much of their housing stock under the right to buy scheme. That's why so many people in Debden own their own houses and why so few of the houses are available to prospective tenants.
It's nothing to do with migrants - so why do the BNP keep saying it is?
If anyone knows any different, can they give us examples and not just generalisations.
I keep on hearing about whites being put at the back of the housing queue. How does that happen?
All local authorities restrict membership of the housing register until a family has lived in the borough / district for a number of years.
Asylum seekers and anyone else with a housing need - and children (why should we house single people? will be put into temporary accommodation.
Have you forgotten the Tories made LAs sell off much of their housing stock under the right to buy scheme. That's why so many people in Debden own their own houses and why so few of the houses are available to prospective tenants.
It's nothing to do with migrants - so why do the BNP keep saying it is?
If anyone knows any different, can they give us examples and not just generalisations.
Posted by: Claire Trueman, Debden on 1:39pm Mon 5 May 08
Katrina - you have summed up the situation well. Go to any housing office at the Council and you will see who is being housed. You've also hit the nail on the head about how migrants are classed as homeless and so accrue more 'points' on the housing register. A shocking state of affairs that migrants get housed before the locals. My granddad didn't fight in the war for his family to be behind the queue.
Katrina - you have summed up the situation well. Go to any housing office at the Council and you will see who is being housed. You've also hit the nail on the head about how migrants are classed as homeless and so accrue more 'points' on the housing register. A shocking state of affairs that migrants get housed before the locals. My granddad didn't fight in the war for his family to be behind the queue.
Posted by: Jackie Hayward, Buckhurst Hill on 1:44pm Mon 5 May 08
By 2050 the English will essentially be an "ethnic minority". Asians will be the predominant ethnic group. This is because a) immigration into the UK from countries outside the EU is much higher and b) ethnic groups tend to have a much higher birth rate than the indigenous population.
By 2050 the English will essentially be an "ethnic minority". Asians will be the predominant ethnic group. This is because a) immigration into the UK from countries outside the EU is much higher and b) ethnic groups tend to have a much higher birth rate than the indigenous population.
Posted by: Truth, Epping on 2:52pm Mon 5 May 08
Jackie: South Asians are the overwhelming majority in Dubai, while the local inhabitants comprise just 10% of the population. Dubai is a great economic success story thanks to the Indians, Bangladeshis and Pakistanis who work there. Perhaps it would be no bad thing to have Asians as a majority in the UK.
Jackie: South Asians are the overwhelming majority in Dubai, while the local inhabitants comprise just 10% of the population. Dubai is a great economic success story thanks to the Indians, Bangladeshis and Pakistanis who work there. Perhaps it would be no bad thing to have Asians as a majority in the UK.
Posted by: Jackie Hayward, Buckhurst Hill on 2:56pm Mon 5 May 08
[bold]Is that the same Dubai that says that they are not entitled to citizenship as they are not Arabs. And likewise cannot marry an Arab?[/bold] Truth - although not an apt user name for you - get your facts right. Also, why should Asians be a majority in England? Why should the English be decimated. No English are emmigrating to Pakistan etc.
Is that the same Dubai that says that they are not entitled to citizenship as they are not Arabs. And likewise cannot marry an Arab? Truth - although not an apt user name for you - get your facts right. Also, why should Asians be a majority in England? Why should the English be decimated. No English are emmigrating to Pakistan etc.
Posted by: John O'Rourke, Kilburn on 2:59pm Mon 5 May 08
Immigration is alright if it's a bit. Not if it is so much it takes over the whole country. That is paramount to invasion. Secondly, no-one wants to vote BNP or even likes there policies. But, they are not being listened to by the major parties on mass immigration and multi-culturalism. The liberal-left need to address these concerns, rather than just attack the BNP.
Immigration is alright if it's a bit. Not if it is so much it takes over the whole country. That is paramount to invasion. Secondly, no-one wants to vote BNP or even likes there policies. But, they are not being listened to by the major parties on mass immigration and multi-culturalism. The liberal-left need to address these concerns, rather than just attack the BNP.
Posted by: IRA-hater, Woodford on 3:01pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Jim Mitchell[/bold] wrote:
I'm Irish and in modern language am called an "immigrant". I voted BNP, because Islam is being allowed to dictate what is and isn't permissiable in Britain. Irish people integrated into British society, they didn't set up ghettos, live off benefits, ask for translations etc. I integrated into this country, Bangladeshis or Pakistanis should do the same. [/quote] Irish terrorists were blowing up shopping centres and members of the Irish community in London were cheering it on. Everyone has conveniently forgotten the fact that Irish terrorists attempted to kill the entire cabinet of an elected British government in Brighton. As for the BNP, they created Combat 18 ("18" representing the letters A and H, for Adolf Hitler), which carried out violent assaults on black, homosexual and Jewish people and spawned terrorists such as David Copeland, the nail bomber. Being white British or Irish doesn't make you less likely to be a terrorist.
Jim Mitchell wrote:
I'm Irish and in modern language am called an "immigrant". I voted BNP, because Islam is being allowed to dictate what is and isn't permissiable in Britain. Irish people integrated into British society, they didn't set up ghettos, live off benefits, ask for translations etc. I integrated into this country, Bangladeshis or Pakistanis should do the same.
Irish terrorists were blowing up shopping centres and members of the Irish community in London were cheering it on. Everyone has conveniently forgotten the fact that Irish terrorists attempted to kill the entire cabinet of an elected British government in Brighton. As for the BNP, they created Combat 18 ("18" representing the letters A and H, for Adolf Hitler), which carried out violent assaults on black, homosexual and Jewish people and spawned terrorists such as David Copeland, the nail bomber. Being white British or Irish doesn't make you less likely to be a terrorist.
Posted by: Truth, Epping on 3:06pm Mon 5 May 08
"why should Asians be a majority in England?"
Why shouldn't they? It is a globalised world where everyone is moving around. English people are living in France, Spain, Australia, the US, Canada, etc. Why can't people move here? Are you going to stop people from leaving the country so they are not in danger of becoming "less English"?
"why should Asians be a majority in England?"
Why shouldn't they? It is a globalised world where everyone is moving around. English people are living in France, Spain, Australia, the US, Canada, etc. Why can't people move here? Are you going to stop people from leaving the country so they are not in danger of becoming "less English"?
Posted by: Jackie Hayward, Buckhurst Hill on 3:10pm Mon 5 May 08
"Truth" you have lost the plot mate! No wonder the likes of you are losing the argument! At least the 150,000+ Londoners who voted for a BNP Assembly member will get their voices heard. Roll on the views of the silent majority.
"Truth" you have lost the plot mate! No wonder the likes of you are losing the argument! At least the 150,000+ Londoners who voted for a BNP Assembly member will get their voices heard. Roll on the views of the silent majority.
Posted by: Truth, Epping on 3:14pm Mon 5 May 08
Jackie: 150,000 BNP voters is not a majority of London. The overwhelming majority of people reject the BNP. A majority of people in Loughton also reject the BNP. The BNP represents an extreme fringe of politics - fortunately for the decent majority, who are not racist even if they may want more control over immigration.
Jackie: 150,000 BNP voters is not a majority of London. The overwhelming majority of people reject the BNP. A majority of people in Loughton also reject the BNP. The BNP represents an extreme fringe of politics - fortunately for the decent majority, who are not racist even if they may want more control over immigration.
Posted by: John O'Rourke, Kilburn on 3:21pm Mon 5 May 08
Everyone, including the Irish detested the bombing campaign in England by the IRA, as the people of the Republic of Ireland did the bombs of the Loyalist or Unionist para military groups. You also forget that there were not 2nd or 3rd generation Irish Londoners who committed 'suicide bombings' as we see today. This fight is a completely different beast. You also seem to negatively stereotype a whole community "members of the Irish community..." etc, that is bad practice and loses the argument. It is also extremely bad for community relations, those relations that ex-Mayor Livingstone strived so hard to re-build.
David Copeland was not in the BNP when he committed his attrocities, he had been thrown out - it is a matter of public record. He was a warped young man.
As much as you can despise them. The IRA were fighting for something tangible - namely the 6 counties of Northern Ireland. The IRA are illegal in the Republic of Ireland. Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah are not in Iran, Syria etc.
The IRA were also a regional group, Islamic terror cells are fighting a worldwide campaign. You could also see what the IRA were fighting for, however abhorrent, and it had a solution. Likewise there bombing campaign was more about publicity for the "cause". They would also phone through and let people know about attacks. The Islamist Terrorist groups we see now are only interested in mass killings of western targets e.g. 7/7 tube bombings, Bali, failed Glasgow attacks, Madrid, Istanbul British Consulate bombing, failed Bristol bombings etc. The Islamists hate western values, they are not fighting for land or money. They want an end to western secularism and democratic values.
The fact is the new Radical Islamist terrorist is often homegrown - 2nd, 3rd generation young Muslims. Something has gone wrong with the multi-cultural policies of the last couple of decades. We need a more integrationist approach to ensure community cohesion. Finally the Irish community never had a problem assimilating. They were not given benefits, housing or help with "discrimination" that we see groups from Pakistan etc get today. The Irish navvy built many of the buildings in England. They worked hard but also worked hard at blending in with the host culture. Why? Because "when in Rome you should do as the Romans do"..
Everyone, including the Irish detested the bombing campaign in England by the IRA, as the people of the Republic of Ireland did the bombs of the Loyalist or Unionist para military groups. You also forget that there were not 2nd or 3rd generation Irish Londoners who committed 'suicide bombings' as we see today. This fight is a completely different beast. You also seem to negatively stereotype a whole community "members of the Irish community..." etc, that is bad practice and loses the argument. It is also extremely bad for community relations, those relations that ex-Mayor Livingstone strived so hard to re-build.
David Copeland was not in the BNP when he committed his attrocities, he had been thrown out - it is a matter of public record. He was a warped young man.
As much as you can despise them. The IRA were fighting for something tangible - namely the 6 counties of Northern Ireland. The IRA are illegal in the Republic of Ireland. Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah are not in Iran, Syria etc.
The IRA were also a regional group, Islamic terror cells are fighting a worldwide campaign. You could also see what the IRA were fighting for, however abhorrent, and it had a solution. Likewise there bombing campaign was more about publicity for the "cause". They would also phone through and let people know about attacks. The Islamist Terrorist groups we see now are only interested in mass killings of western targets e.g. 7/7 tube bombings, Bali, failed Glasgow attacks, Madrid, Istanbul British Consulate bombing, failed Bristol bombings etc. The Islamists hate western values, they are not fighting for land or money. They want an end to western secularism and democratic values.
The fact is the new Radical Islamist terrorist is often homegrown - 2nd, 3rd generation young Muslims. Something has gone wrong with the multi-cultural policies of the last couple of decades. We need a more integrationist approach to ensure community cohesion. Finally the Irish community never had a problem assimilating. They were not given benefits, housing or help with "discrimination" that we see groups from Pakistan etc get today. The Irish navvy built many of the buildings in England. They worked hard but also worked hard at blending in with the host culture. Why? Because "when in Rome you should do as the Romans do"..
Posted by: Jackie Hayward, Buckhurst Hill on 3:28pm Mon 5 May 08
"Truth" you miss the point. Only 45% voted in the Mayoral and GLA elections. That's not even half of the electorate (even less than the total London populus). Yet it was much higher a turnout than was expected and hugely up on previous elections. But, with your logic it would mean that Livingstones last two terms and now Boris Johnsons win was not endoresed the majority of Londoners. Likewise our PM was not voted in by the UK electorate, he was swept to power by a now small and decimated fringe party called 'the labour party'. Wake up and smell the coffee un-"truth".
"Truth" you miss the point. Only 45% voted in the Mayoral and GLA elections. That's not even half of the electorate (even less than the total London populus). Yet it was much higher a turnout than was expected and hugely up on previous elections. But, with your logic it would mean that Livingstones last two terms and now Boris Johnsons win was not endoresed the majority of Londoners. Likewise our PM was not voted in by the UK electorate, he was swept to power by a now small and decimated fringe party called 'the labour party'. Wake up and smell the coffee un-"truth".
Posted by: Truth, Epping on 4:14pm Mon 5 May 08
Jackie: Whatever you say, the BNP are less popular than Labour, the Conservatives, the Liberal Democrats and even the Greens. Sure, the minority of the electorate vote in the government. That's the problem with the electoral system. Yet, even under the more proportional system in London, the BNP vote was less than the Greens. The BNP is a fringe party, it is not the voice of a "silent majority".
John: You talk of assimilation and integration, but this is not what the BNP wants. The BNP is essentially after the mass deportation of the non-white population, regardless of whether or not these residents are British citizens, either by birth or naturalisation. They want apartheid, not integration. The election of BNP councillors is likely to make non-white people more wary of whites and less likely to integrate or assimilate. Would a BNP pub welcome an Indian as a regular? Of course not, the BNP is just the white supremacist version of the Islamic extremists.
Jackie: Whatever you say, the BNP are less popular than Labour, the Conservatives, the Liberal Democrats and even the Greens. Sure, the minority of the electorate vote in the government. That's the problem with the electoral system. Yet, even under the more proportional system in London, the BNP vote was less than the Greens. The BNP is a fringe party, it is not the voice of a "silent majority".
John: You talk of assimilation and integration, but this is not what the BNP wants. The BNP is essentially after the mass deportation of the non-white population, regardless of whether or not these residents are British citizens, either by birth or naturalisation. They want apartheid, not integration. The election of BNP councillors is likely to make non-white people more wary of whites and less likely to integrate or assimilate. Would a BNP pub welcome an Indian as a regular? Of course not, the BNP is just the white supremacist version of the Islamic extremists.
Posted by: Michael Arronowich, Stratford on 4:59pm Mon 5 May 08
But surely the BNP just wants to stop the Islamification of Britain? One of there Cllrs in Barking and Dagenham is of Turkish origin, whilst they have a Jewish cllr in Epping Forest. "Truth" you use old arguments, that might work against the National Front. But, not against the modern BNP. A white friend of mine told me that he was more wary of Bangladeshi muslims with the election of Respect Cllrs in Tower Hamlets. Why? Because they played the Race / Religion card.
But surely the BNP just wants to stop the Islamification of Britain? One of there Cllrs in Barking and Dagenham is of Turkish origin, whilst they have a Jewish cllr in Epping Forest. "Truth" you use old arguments, that might work against the National Front. But, not against the modern BNP. A white friend of mine told me that he was more wary of Bangladeshi muslims with the election of Respect Cllrs in Tower Hamlets. Why? Because they played the Race / Religion card.
Posted by: Essex Lady on 5:00pm Mon 5 May 08
Anne, Loughton - you requested an example of English people being put to the back of the local housing queue. I'll give you a true story of the state this country has become, I know it's true because one of the people concerned is MY son, a 30year old man.
My son applied to part buy part rent a flat (he could not afford to buy outright)as he was not eligable for a council place because he works. There were two other english single people applying under the same scheme, and in the same situation as him.
Firstly they had to prove they had a connection with the borough, which they all had. The three of them had gone to the same schools and were born and bred in the borough, so they passed the connection "test" and were allowed to part buy part rent their new flats, incedently those flat's cost them £150,000, admittedly they are very nice, fully carpetted, all white goods etc.
This is where my story gets blurred, the three youngsters all move into their new flats (which is a block of six). Guess who got the remaining three identical flats - Yes, you may have guessed right if you said Africans. But they were not families of Africans they were all single men (at least two of the flat's were two bedroomed). Now what connection did they have with the said borough - NONE whatsoever.
When a story like this happens to you - and rest assured it will, then tell me that you would not be annoyed.
My son and his friends all have to go to work to provide and be responsible for themselves (and quite rightly so)whilst their neighbours sit at home all day watching TV etc, playing loud music all night and being a general nuisance to other residents - whilst our kids have to work to give the asylum seekers the pleasure of living off of them.
Do not tell me this is right and fair, because it is'nt.
Anne, Loughton - you requested an example of English people being put to the back of the local housing queue. I'll give you a true story of the state this country has become, I know it's true because one of the people concerned is MY son, a 30year old man.
My son applied to part buy part rent a flat (he could not afford to buy outright)as he was not eligable for a council place because he works. There were two other english single people applying under the same scheme, and in the same situation as him.
Firstly they had to prove they had a connection with the borough, which they all had. The three of them had gone to the same schools and were born and bred in the borough, so they passed the connection "test" and were allowed to part buy part rent their new flats, incedently those flat's cost them £150,000, admittedly they are very nice, fully carpetted, all white goods etc.
This is where my story gets blurred, the three youngsters all move into their new flats (which is a block of six). Guess who got the remaining three identical flats - Yes, you may have guessed right if you said Africans. But they were not families of Africans they were all single men (at least two of the flat's were two bedroomed). Now what connection did they have with the said borough - NONE whatsoever.
When a story like this happens to you - and rest assured it will, then tell me that you would not be annoyed.
My son and his friends all have to go to work to provide and be responsible for themselves (and quite rightly so)whilst their neighbours sit at home all day watching TV etc, playing loud music all night and being a general nuisance to other residents - whilst our kids have to work to give the asylum seekers the pleasure of living off of them.
Do not tell me this is right and fair, because it is'nt.
Posted by: Michaela Shepherd, Ilford on 5:02pm Mon 5 May 08
"Truth" you talk about a BNP pub not welcoming an Indian. But is there a pub called National Front , BNP or White / Patriot etc? No, I think not. But in Ilford there is a bowling alley called "Bollywood Bowl". Would this be receptive to English clientale, the name suggests not.
"Truth" you talk about a BNP pub not welcoming an Indian. But is there a pub called National Front , BNP or White / Patriot etc? No, I think not. But in Ilford there is a bowling alley called "Bollywood Bowl". Would this be receptive to English clientale, the name suggests not.
Posted by: Jackie Hayward, Buckhurst HIll on 5:05pm Mon 5 May 08
Essex lady - it isn't fair. And, it's not racist to say it isn't - it's common sense. I have black friends, they agree. They work hard for there money. Why should our taxes subsidise work shy asylum seekers. People like 'Anne' and 'truth' are apologists for asylum seekers / illegal immigrants etc. They don't care jack about local people and the daily struggles we face.
Essex lady - it isn't fair. And, it's not racist to say it isn't - it's common sense. I have black friends, they agree. They work hard for there money. Why should our taxes subsidise work shy asylum seekers. People like 'Anne' and 'truth' are apologists for asylum seekers / illegal immigrants etc. They don't care jack about local people and the daily struggles we face.
Posted by: Elizabeth Wright, Collier Row on 5:11pm Mon 5 May 08
'Essex Lady' very same story happened to my sister when she bought her part buy/part rent in Romford. She found out from talking to an African next door that they got theres from Hackney Council who have moved out tenants they couldn't house into other boroughs in East London. They have no connection to Havering, yet have presumably jumped the queue on other young local peop
