Football League clubs to vote on increasing number of home grown players in a match-day squad to nine

Football League clubs to vote on new home grown rule

Football League clubs to vote on new home grown rule

First published in Latest Sport This Is Local London: Photograph of the Author by , Deputy Group Sports Editor

The Football League’s annual meeting started yesterday and among the issues being voted on today is potentially increasing the number of home-grown players in a match-day squad from six to nine.

Introducing Premier League B teams into the football pyramid and playing competitive fixtures on artificial surfaces are also among the subjects due to be discussed.

The annual meeting takes place over several days in Portugal and is attended by representatives from all 72 Football League clubs.

Teams currently have to field six home-grown players in the 18-man match-day squad but increasing it to nine would ensure at least two would have to be in the starting line-up.

The Football League deem home-grown players to be someone who irrespective of their nationality or age, has been registered with an English or Welsh club for three seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday.

We understand Watford are not overly concerned by the potential change.

Jonathan Bond, Lloyd Doyley, Tommie Hoban, Lewis McGugan, Sean Murray, Ikechi Anya and Troy Deeney all qualify as home-grown players and have regularly been in the Hornets’ 18 and new signing Lloyd Dyer also qualifies.

The Golden Boys are also planning to sign several British or Irish players this summer. Sunderland’s Danny Graham, Stevenage’s Luke Freeman and Derby County’s Jeff Hendrick are among those being targeted.

Watford also have a host of young professionals who would qualify as home grown.

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7:48am Fri 6 Jun 14

EstebanSemtex says...

I hope the club and all the other Football League teams, vote against Dyke's idiotic 'Premier League B Team' proposal. It's about time the Football League stood up to the bullying tatics of the EPL.
I hope the club and all the other Football League teams, vote against Dyke's idiotic 'Premier League B Team' proposal. It's about time the Football League stood up to the bullying tatics of the EPL. EstebanSemtex
  • Score: 41

7:53am Fri 6 Jun 14

garston tony says...

I think the home grown players idea is a good one, as much as its interesting to have foreign 'exotic' players in our team I like to see Brit players too especially if they have come through our own youth system.

I agree about the B team plan, the Prem has all the money in the world yet they are trying to dump the issue of English players coming through to the lower leagues. Yes lower league teams have a part to play, but why should the majority of teams get messed around just because the richest 20 clubs are being selfish?
I think the home grown players idea is a good one, as much as its interesting to have foreign 'exotic' players in our team I like to see Brit players too especially if they have come through our own youth system. I agree about the B team plan, the Prem has all the money in the world yet they are trying to dump the issue of English players coming through to the lower leagues. Yes lower league teams have a part to play, but why should the majority of teams get messed around just because the richest 20 clubs are being selfish? garston tony
  • Score: 21

8:05am Fri 6 Jun 14

Mark-H says...

I see the FL is so dedicated to a British product that they've gone to Portugal to promote it! Could've done this at a hotel or conference centre in the UK.
I see the FL is so dedicated to a British product that they've gone to Portugal to promote it! Could've done this at a hotel or conference centre in the UK. Mark-H
  • Score: 40

8:45am Fri 6 Jun 14

1234566789 says...

We are in a LOT of trouble if that happens.... Scraped through with 6 at times this season. We currently have 8 and it is likely Deeney will leave and reduce that to 7. Probably need an extra 7 or so, given our injury woes of late. Going to be difficult to find 7 'home grown' players of high enough quality to aim for promotion
We are in a LOT of trouble if that happens.... Scraped through with 6 at times this season. We currently have 8 and it is likely Deeney will leave and reduce that to 7. Probably need an extra 7 or so, given our injury woes of late. Going to be difficult to find 7 'home grown' players of high enough quality to aim for promotion 1234566789
  • Score: 3

8:50am Fri 6 Jun 14

VOReason says...

1234566789 wrote:
We are in a LOT of trouble if that happens.... Scraped through with 6 at times this season. We currently have 8 and it is likely Deeney will leave and reduce that to 7. Probably need an extra 7 or so, given our injury woes of late. Going to be difficult to find 7 'home grown' players of high enough quality to aim for promotion
Mmm I would have thought such an implementation would have to have a time scale like with financial fair play.

However the change to the loan system last year came in with immediate effect so I guess we just have to adapt to what is thrown at us
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: We are in a LOT of trouble if that happens.... Scraped through with 6 at times this season. We currently have 8 and it is likely Deeney will leave and reduce that to 7. Probably need an extra 7 or so, given our injury woes of late. Going to be difficult to find 7 'home grown' players of high enough quality to aim for promotion[/p][/quote]Mmm I would have thought such an implementation would have to have a time scale like with financial fair play. However the change to the loan system last year came in with immediate effect so I guess we just have to adapt to what is thrown at us VOReason
  • Score: 2

9:18am Fri 6 Jun 14

The Rover says...

garston tony wrote:
I think the home grown players idea is a good one, as much as its interesting to have foreign 'exotic' players in our team I like to see Brit players too especially if they have come through our own youth system.

I agree about the B team plan, the Prem has all the money in the world yet they are trying to dump the issue of English players coming through to the lower leagues. Yes lower league teams have a part to play, but why should the majority of teams get messed around just because the richest 20 clubs are being selfish?
So what would you think in a few years time when Chelsea B, Man Utd B, Man City B, Liverpool B etc. make it to the Premier League, giving clubs like Watford less of a chance?
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: I think the home grown players idea is a good one, as much as its interesting to have foreign 'exotic' players in our team I like to see Brit players too especially if they have come through our own youth system. I agree about the B team plan, the Prem has all the money in the world yet they are trying to dump the issue of English players coming through to the lower leagues. Yes lower league teams have a part to play, but why should the majority of teams get messed around just because the richest 20 clubs are being selfish?[/p][/quote]So what would you think in a few years time when Chelsea B, Man Utd B, Man City B, Liverpool B etc. make it to the Premier League, giving clubs like Watford less of a chance? The Rover
  • Score: -5

9:27am Fri 6 Jun 14

Mark-H says...

The Rover wrote:
garston tony wrote:
I think the home grown players idea is a good one, as much as its interesting to have foreign 'exotic' players in our team I like to see Brit players too especially if they have come through our own youth system.

I agree about the B team plan, the Prem has all the money in the world yet they are trying to dump the issue of English players coming through to the lower leagues. Yes lower league teams have a part to play, but why should the majority of teams get messed around just because the richest 20 clubs are being selfish?
So what would you think in a few years time when Chelsea B, Man Utd B, Man City B, Liverpool B etc. make it to the Premier League, giving clubs like Watford less of a chance?
If it runs like it does in Spain, the A and B teams can never play in the same division. Say Man U B started in 'League 3', and worked their way up to the Championship, then finished in an automatic promotion place, they would lose that spot and 3rd place would go up automatically, with 4th-8th in the playoffs.

Similarly, if West Brom B were in the Championship and finished mid-table, but West Brom A got relegated, West Brom B would go down to League One. This applies even if the B team get 'promoted'. I believe this actually happened two years ago. Villarreal got relegated from La Liga, so their B team had to go from Liga Adelante to their regional third tier.
[quote][p][bold]The Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: I think the home grown players idea is a good one, as much as its interesting to have foreign 'exotic' players in our team I like to see Brit players too especially if they have come through our own youth system. I agree about the B team plan, the Prem has all the money in the world yet they are trying to dump the issue of English players coming through to the lower leagues. Yes lower league teams have a part to play, but why should the majority of teams get messed around just because the richest 20 clubs are being selfish?[/p][/quote]So what would you think in a few years time when Chelsea B, Man Utd B, Man City B, Liverpool B etc. make it to the Premier League, giving clubs like Watford less of a chance?[/p][/quote]If it runs like it does in Spain, the A and B teams can never play in the same division. Say Man U B started in 'League 3', and worked their way up to the Championship, then finished in an automatic promotion place, they would lose that spot and 3rd place would go up automatically, with 4th-8th in the playoffs. Similarly, if West Brom B were in the Championship and finished mid-table, but West Brom A got relegated, West Brom B would go down to League One. This applies even if the B team get 'promoted'. I believe this actually happened two years ago. Villarreal got relegated from La Liga, so their B team had to go from Liga Adelante to their regional third tier. Mark-H
  • Score: 4

9:56am Fri 6 Jun 14

SJM...laugh at luton says...

It won't happen this season coming...why all these rules to stop overseas players...

F.A are total scum...also I'm English and I really hope we Lose in all games in the World Cup,can't stand most of the players we have from clubs in the premier league...

F.A also send cheating referees week in week out to cheat Watford fc last season was a joke...At least 10 examples in games we were cheated by bent and corrupt referees...
It won't happen this season coming...why all these rules to stop overseas players... F.A are total scum...also I'm English and I really hope we Lose in all games in the World Cup,can't stand most of the players we have from clubs in the premier league... F.A also send cheating referees week in week out to cheat Watford fc last season was a joke...At least 10 examples in games we were cheated by bent and corrupt referees... SJM...laugh at luton
  • Score: -9

10:08am Fri 6 Jun 14

mellow yellow says...

Mark-H wrote:
The Rover wrote:
garston tony wrote:
I think the home grown players idea is a good one, as much as its interesting to have foreign 'exotic' players in our team I like to see Brit players too especially if they have come through our own youth system.

I agree about the B team plan, the Prem has all the money in the world yet they are trying to dump the issue of English players coming through to the lower leagues. Yes lower league teams have a part to play, but why should the majority of teams get messed around just because the richest 20 clubs are being selfish?
So what would you think in a few years time when Chelsea B, Man Utd B, Man City B, Liverpool B etc. make it to the Premier League, giving clubs like Watford less of a chance?
If it runs like it does in Spain, the A and B teams can never play in the same division. Say Man U B started in 'League 3', and worked their way up to the Championship, then finished in an automatic promotion place, they would lose that spot and 3rd place would go up automatically, with 4th-8th in the playoffs.

Similarly, if West Brom B were in the Championship and finished mid-table, but West Brom A got relegated, West Brom B would go down to League One. This applies even if the B team get 'promoted'. I believe this actually happened two years ago. Villarreal got relegated from La Liga, so their B team had to go from Liga Adelante to their regional third tier.
The reality is the second tier is a lot more fun than the top flight for many reasons. One of them being harder tackling. Another that most games are on Saturdays and Tuesdays. And we actually get to see decent enough players actually winning games. On the whole the top flight is a tedious cartel, and will only be more interesting when we mount a serious challenge for Europe. And yes, that last bit is a bit glib.
[quote][p][bold]Mark-H[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: I think the home grown players idea is a good one, as much as its interesting to have foreign 'exotic' players in our team I like to see Brit players too especially if they have come through our own youth system. I agree about the B team plan, the Prem has all the money in the world yet they are trying to dump the issue of English players coming through to the lower leagues. Yes lower league teams have a part to play, but why should the majority of teams get messed around just because the richest 20 clubs are being selfish?[/p][/quote]So what would you think in a few years time when Chelsea B, Man Utd B, Man City B, Liverpool B etc. make it to the Premier League, giving clubs like Watford less of a chance?[/p][/quote]If it runs like it does in Spain, the A and B teams can never play in the same division. Say Man U B started in 'League 3', and worked their way up to the Championship, then finished in an automatic promotion place, they would lose that spot and 3rd place would go up automatically, with 4th-8th in the playoffs. Similarly, if West Brom B were in the Championship and finished mid-table, but West Brom A got relegated, West Brom B would go down to League One. This applies even if the B team get 'promoted'. I believe this actually happened two years ago. Villarreal got relegated from La Liga, so their B team had to go from Liga Adelante to their regional third tier.[/p][/quote]The reality is the second tier is a lot more fun than the top flight for many reasons. One of them being harder tackling. Another that most games are on Saturdays and Tuesdays. And we actually get to see decent enough players actually winning games. On the whole the top flight is a tedious cartel, and will only be more interesting when we mount a serious challenge for Europe. And yes, that last bit is a bit glib. mellow yellow
  • Score: 0

10:29am Fri 6 Jun 14

garston tony says...

The Rover wrote:
garston tony wrote: I think the home grown players idea is a good one, as much as its interesting to have foreign 'exotic' players in our team I like to see Brit players too especially if they have come through our own youth system. I agree about the B team plan, the Prem has all the money in the world yet they are trying to dump the issue of English players coming through to the lower leagues. Yes lower league teams have a part to play, but why should the majority of teams get messed around just because the richest 20 clubs are being selfish?
So what would you think in a few years time when Chelsea B, Man Utd B, Man City B, Liverpool B etc. make it to the Premier League, giving clubs like Watford less of a chance?
Just to clarify I was agreeing with Esteban Semtex's comments about B teams ie they should be voted against.
[quote][p][bold]The Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: I think the home grown players idea is a good one, as much as its interesting to have foreign 'exotic' players in our team I like to see Brit players too especially if they have come through our own youth system. I agree about the B team plan, the Prem has all the money in the world yet they are trying to dump the issue of English players coming through to the lower leagues. Yes lower league teams have a part to play, but why should the majority of teams get messed around just because the richest 20 clubs are being selfish?[/p][/quote]So what would you think in a few years time when Chelsea B, Man Utd B, Man City B, Liverpool B etc. make it to the Premier League, giving clubs like Watford less of a chance?[/p][/quote]Just to clarify I was agreeing with Esteban Semtex's comments about B teams ie they should be voted against. garston tony
  • Score: 3

10:35am Fri 6 Jun 14

garston tony says...

The Rover wrote:
garston tony wrote: I think the home grown players idea is a good one, as much as its interesting to have foreign 'exotic' players in our team I like to see Brit players too especially if they have come through our own youth system. I agree about the B team plan, the Prem has all the money in the world yet they are trying to dump the issue of English players coming through to the lower leagues. Yes lower league teams have a part to play, but why should the majority of teams get messed around just because the richest 20 clubs are being selfish?
So what would you think in a few years time when Chelsea B, Man Utd B, Man City B, Liverpool B etc. make it to the Premier League, giving clubs like Watford less of a chance?
Your point about B teams taking away opportunities from already existing clubs is one of the reasons I am against the idea, although I think the idea is that they would not be allowed to be promoted above league 2 is it?

All that would mean is that after a few years whichever league it is that is the limit that they can go to will be chock full of B teams. You might even get the ridiculous scenario where there is only 1 non B team team in the league, they could finish bottom but as they are the highest ranking non B team still get promoted!

The whole idea behind B teams is to get young players games, but the standard of the leagues they are proposing to use isnt lets be honest the best so they might as well just play those players in a dedicated Prem reserve league. Or loan them out.

And is it really going to promote English players? Knowing the Prem the B teams would be full of promising players from all over the world not just down the road from the Etihad or where ever.
[quote][p][bold]The Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: I think the home grown players idea is a good one, as much as its interesting to have foreign 'exotic' players in our team I like to see Brit players too especially if they have come through our own youth system. I agree about the B team plan, the Prem has all the money in the world yet they are trying to dump the issue of English players coming through to the lower leagues. Yes lower league teams have a part to play, but why should the majority of teams get messed around just because the richest 20 clubs are being selfish?[/p][/quote]So what would you think in a few years time when Chelsea B, Man Utd B, Man City B, Liverpool B etc. make it to the Premier League, giving clubs like Watford less of a chance?[/p][/quote]Your point about B teams taking away opportunities from already existing clubs is one of the reasons I am against the idea, although I think the idea is that they would not be allowed to be promoted above league 2 is it? All that would mean is that after a few years whichever league it is that is the limit that they can go to will be chock full of B teams. You might even get the ridiculous scenario where there is only 1 non B team team in the league, they could finish bottom but as they are the highest ranking non B team still get promoted! The whole idea behind B teams is to get young players games, but the standard of the leagues they are proposing to use isnt lets be honest the best so they might as well just play those players in a dedicated Prem reserve league. Or loan them out. And is it really going to promote English players? Knowing the Prem the B teams would be full of promising players from all over the world not just down the road from the Etihad or where ever. garston tony
  • Score: 2

11:05am Fri 6 Jun 14

Chris the Vic says...

Load of rubbish both the ideas and some comments.

When the football league have sorted out the fair play rules and QPR then is the time to introduce new rules.

Quick enough to hit WFC over overseas loanees now lets see these faceless gimps take on QPR. £90m better off after cheating and breaking the rules...some punishment!!! and they have to go to Portugal to vote?

By the way did I hear that championship clubs lost £250m plus between them...so what is a junket to Portugal when you are doing that well.
Load of rubbish both the ideas and some comments. When the football league have sorted out the fair play rules and QPR then is the time to introduce new rules. Quick enough to hit WFC over overseas loanees now lets see these faceless gimps take on QPR. £90m better off after cheating and breaking the rules...some punishment!!! and they have to go to Portugal to vote? By the way did I hear that championship clubs lost £250m plus between them...so what is a junket to Portugal when you are doing that well. Chris the Vic
  • Score: 5

11:50am Fri 6 Jun 14

tommy gunn says...

The old Football Combination and Northern League seemed to work ok in the past why not re-introduce it.? I am sure with the number of players we seem to sign these days we could put two teams out . It would , of course , restrict the loan system.
The old Football Combination and Northern League seemed to work ok in the past why not re-introduce it.? I am sure with the number of players we seem to sign these days we could put two teams out . It would , of course , restrict the loan system. tommy gunn
  • Score: 2

12:39pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Belfast Hornet says...

The B team idea is ludicrous. When someone like Man Utd B get promoted to the Prem league. Does that mean that they will play Man Utd?
Who will support these B teams?
The B team idea is ludicrous. When someone like Man Utd B get promoted to the Prem league. Does that mean that they will play Man Utd? Who will support these B teams? Belfast Hornet
  • Score: -6

2:54pm Fri 6 Jun 14

tonyevans22 says...

I am all for the homegrown rule,many of our supporters were moaning that our youth development was going down the pan and a bit of an outcry when we downgraded it.There is no bigger satisfaction when we produce our own and they are successful.We are now buying british players,so we will have a good mix,and many moaned that we did not have those british players that had the know how to get out of this league.It is ok recruiting foreign players if they are better than we have,and as we have seen many have come and gone.
I am all for the homegrown rule,many of our supporters were moaning that our youth development was going down the pan and a bit of an outcry when we downgraded it.There is no bigger satisfaction when we produce our own and they are successful.We are now buying british players,so we will have a good mix,and many moaned that we did not have those british players that had the know how to get out of this league.It is ok recruiting foreign players if they are better than we have,and as we have seen many have come and gone. tonyevans22
  • Score: 3

1:51pm Sat 7 Jun 14

soulfulhornet says...

Sorry, I disagree with the home grown player rule at that level - 9 players. Also if it applies to FL clubs it must apply to Prem clubs too. What happens when relegated from the Prem ? Do you have to comply immediately or like parachute payments, do you have a season to adjust ? If you have a transition these clubs have another advantage.

I agree that it is great to see youth trainees making it to the first team, but look at those that came through under Aidy, Brendan, Malky etc . How many were good enough ? We have had 3 do well under Zola/ Sannino - Murray, Hoban and Bond - they have had to up their game to compete with the new, mainly foreign players. Quotas generally breed mediocrity.
Sorry, I disagree with the home grown player rule at that level - 9 players. Also if it applies to FL clubs it must apply to Prem clubs too. What happens when relegated from the Prem ? Do you have to comply immediately or like parachute payments, do you have a season to adjust ? If you have a transition these clubs have another advantage. I agree that it is great to see youth trainees making it to the first team, but look at those that came through under Aidy, Brendan, Malky etc . How many were good enough ? We have had 3 do well under Zola/ Sannino - Murray, Hoban and Bond - they have had to up their game to compete with the new, mainly foreign players. Quotas generally breed mediocrity. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 1

5:54pm Sat 7 Jun 14

1234566789 says...

VOReason wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
We are in a LOT of trouble if that happens.... Scraped through with 6 at times this season. We currently have 8 and it is likely Deeney will leave and reduce that to 7. Probably need an extra 7 or so, given our injury woes of late. Going to be difficult to find 7 'home grown' players of high enough quality to aim for promotion
Mmm I would have thought such an implementation would have to have a time scale like with financial fair play.

However the change to the loan system last year came in with immediate effect so I guess we just have to adapt to what is thrown at us
Possibly. But I think these votes are for immediate effect, as per the loanees rule this time last season.

If it goes through we would have to put players into the squad that wouldn't otherwise even get close. We could only name 9 from Gomes, Faraoni, Angella, Ekstrand, Belkalem, Pudil, Tamas, Battocchio, Abdi, Fessi, Ranegie and the potentials Vydra, Parades, Ighalo, Toszer, Mejia. That means leaving out 7 of the above (admittedly not all of them will sign), playing EVERY homegrown player we have, signing 2 more and hoping none of them pick up a knock or get suspended at all throughout the season - otherwise we play a bunch of kids. And for me that epitomises the problem with this sort of quota ruling - it just lowers the quality of the players we get to watch!
[quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: We are in a LOT of trouble if that happens.... Scraped through with 6 at times this season. We currently have 8 and it is likely Deeney will leave and reduce that to 7. Probably need an extra 7 or so, given our injury woes of late. Going to be difficult to find 7 'home grown' players of high enough quality to aim for promotion[/p][/quote]Mmm I would have thought such an implementation would have to have a time scale like with financial fair play. However the change to the loan system last year came in with immediate effect so I guess we just have to adapt to what is thrown at us[/p][/quote]Possibly. But I think these votes are for immediate effect, as per the loanees rule this time last season. If it goes through we would have to put players into the squad that wouldn't otherwise even get close. We could only name 9 from Gomes, Faraoni, Angella, Ekstrand, Belkalem, Pudil, Tamas, Battocchio, Abdi, Fessi, Ranegie and the potentials Vydra, Parades, Ighalo, Toszer, Mejia. That means leaving out 7 of the above (admittedly not all of them will sign), playing EVERY homegrown player we have, signing 2 more and hoping none of them pick up a knock or get suspended at all throughout the season - otherwise we play a bunch of kids. And for me that epitomises the problem with this sort of quota ruling - it just lowers the quality of the players we get to watch! 1234566789
  • Score: 11

7:52pm Sat 7 Jun 14

watfordrick says...

SJM...laugh at luton wrote:
It won't happen this season coming...why all these rules to stop overseas players...

F.A are total scum...also I'm English and I really hope we Lose in all games in the World Cup,can't stand most of the players we have from clubs in the premier league...

F.A also send cheating referees week in week out to cheat Watford fc last season was a joke...At least 10 examples in games we were cheated by bent and corrupt referees...
Who's got the family brain cell today then?
[quote][p][bold]SJM...laugh at luton[/bold] wrote: It won't happen this season coming...why all these rules to stop overseas players... F.A are total scum...also I'm English and I really hope we Lose in all games in the World Cup,can't stand most of the players we have from clubs in the premier league... F.A also send cheating referees week in week out to cheat Watford fc last season was a joke...At least 10 examples in games we were cheated by bent and corrupt referees...[/p][/quote]Who's got the family brain cell today then? watfordrick
  • Score: 1

8:48pm Sat 7 Jun 14

harrowboy says...

1234566789 wrote:
VOReason wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
We are in a LOT of trouble if that happens.... Scraped through with 6 at times this season. We currently have 8 and it is likely Deeney will leave and reduce that to 7. Probably need an extra 7 or so, given our injury woes of late. Going to be difficult to find 7 'home grown' players of high enough quality to aim for promotion
Mmm I would have thought such an implementation would have to have a time scale like with financial fair play.

However the change to the loan system last year came in with immediate effect so I guess we just have to adapt to what is thrown at us
Possibly. But I think these votes are for immediate effect, as per the loanees rule this time last season.

If it goes through we would have to put players into the squad that wouldn't otherwise even get close. We could only name 9 from Gomes, Faraoni, Angella, Ekstrand, Belkalem, Pudil, Tamas, Battocchio, Abdi, Fessi, Ranegie and the potentials Vydra, Parades, Ighalo, Toszer, Mejia. That means leaving out 7 of the above (admittedly not all of them will sign), playing EVERY homegrown player we have, signing 2 more and hoping none of them pick up a knock or get suspended at all throughout the season - otherwise we play a bunch of kids. And for me that epitomises the problem with this sort of quota ruling - it just lowers the quality of the players we get to watch!
Gomes has been here for more than 3 years so counts as a home player!!
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: We are in a LOT of trouble if that happens.... Scraped through with 6 at times this season. We currently have 8 and it is likely Deeney will leave and reduce that to 7. Probably need an extra 7 or so, given our injury woes of late. Going to be difficult to find 7 'home grown' players of high enough quality to aim for promotion[/p][/quote]Mmm I would have thought such an implementation would have to have a time scale like with financial fair play. However the change to the loan system last year came in with immediate effect so I guess we just have to adapt to what is thrown at us[/p][/quote]Possibly. But I think these votes are for immediate effect, as per the loanees rule this time last season. If it goes through we would have to put players into the squad that wouldn't otherwise even get close. We could only name 9 from Gomes, Faraoni, Angella, Ekstrand, Belkalem, Pudil, Tamas, Battocchio, Abdi, Fessi, Ranegie and the potentials Vydra, Parades, Ighalo, Toszer, Mejia. That means leaving out 7 of the above (admittedly not all of them will sign), playing EVERY homegrown player we have, signing 2 more and hoping none of them pick up a knock or get suspended at all throughout the season - otherwise we play a bunch of kids. And for me that epitomises the problem with this sort of quota ruling - it just lowers the quality of the players we get to watch![/p][/quote]Gomes has been here for more than 3 years so counts as a home player!! harrowboy
  • Score: -7

9:48pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Mark-H says...

A way a quota system/B teams could work is the German model. Bayern, Dortmund, Wolfsburg etc II are run as under-23 teams, with I think three overage players allowed. An U23 league might encourage a greater proportion of home-grown players.
A way a quota system/B teams could work is the German model. Bayern, Dortmund, Wolfsburg etc II are run as under-23 teams, with I think three overage players allowed. An U23 league might encourage a greater proportion of home-grown players. Mark-H
  • Score: 0

11:03pm Sat 7 Jun 14

matey_from_brighton says...

The whole B team plan is an abomination designed to get the PL clubs out of a problem of their own making ie that they have the best youngsters but no opportunity to play them and the biggest insult is that the selling point is that it will good for the national team(like they ever give a sh*t). Imagine the Championship with half a dozen or more B teams in it, meaningless fixtures for us against teams with no fans(presumably), no proper ambition(cant get promoted). We are seen by the PL as useful fodder for their own purposes as ever, this is one of the most disturbing ideas they have had yet and shows the contempt they hold the tradition of english football with.
The whole B team plan is an abomination designed to get the PL clubs out of a problem of their own making ie that they have the best youngsters but no opportunity to play them and the biggest insult is that the selling point is that it will good for the national team(like they ever give a sh*t). Imagine the Championship with half a dozen or more B teams in it, meaningless fixtures for us against teams with no fans(presumably), no proper ambition(cant get promoted). We are seen by the PL as useful fodder for their own purposes as ever, this is one of the most disturbing ideas they have had yet and shows the contempt they hold the tradition of english football with. matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 2

9:08am Sun 8 Jun 14

1234566789 says...

harrowboy wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
VOReason wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
We are in a LOT of trouble if that happens.... Scraped through with 6 at times this season. We currently have 8 and it is likely Deeney will leave and reduce that to 7. Probably need an extra 7 or so, given our injury woes of late. Going to be difficult to find 7 'home grown' players of high enough quality to aim for promotion
Mmm I would have thought such an implementation would have to have a time scale like with financial fair play.

However the change to the loan system last year came in with immediate effect so I guess we just have to adapt to what is thrown at us
Possibly. But I think these votes are for immediate effect, as per the loanees rule this time last season.

If it goes through we would have to put players into the squad that wouldn't otherwise even get close. We could only name 9 from Gomes, Faraoni, Angella, Ekstrand, Belkalem, Pudil, Tamas, Battocchio, Abdi, Fessi, Ranegie and the potentials Vydra, Parades, Ighalo, Toszer, Mejia. That means leaving out 7 of the above (admittedly not all of them will sign), playing EVERY homegrown player we have, signing 2 more and hoping none of them pick up a knock or get suspended at all throughout the season - otherwise we play a bunch of kids. And for me that epitomises the problem with this sort of quota ruling - it just lowers the quality of the players we get to watch!
Gomes has been here for more than 3 years so counts as a home player!!
Afraid not - it had to be 3 years PRIOR TO THEIR 21st BIRTHDAY
[quote][p][bold]harrowboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: We are in a LOT of trouble if that happens.... Scraped through with 6 at times this season. We currently have 8 and it is likely Deeney will leave and reduce that to 7. Probably need an extra 7 or so, given our injury woes of late. Going to be difficult to find 7 'home grown' players of high enough quality to aim for promotion[/p][/quote]Mmm I would have thought such an implementation would have to have a time scale like with financial fair play. However the change to the loan system last year came in with immediate effect so I guess we just have to adapt to what is thrown at us[/p][/quote]Possibly. But I think these votes are for immediate effect, as per the loanees rule this time last season. If it goes through we would have to put players into the squad that wouldn't otherwise even get close. We could only name 9 from Gomes, Faraoni, Angella, Ekstrand, Belkalem, Pudil, Tamas, Battocchio, Abdi, Fessi, Ranegie and the potentials Vydra, Parades, Ighalo, Toszer, Mejia. That means leaving out 7 of the above (admittedly not all of them will sign), playing EVERY homegrown player we have, signing 2 more and hoping none of them pick up a knock or get suspended at all throughout the season - otherwise we play a bunch of kids. And for me that epitomises the problem with this sort of quota ruling - it just lowers the quality of the players we get to watch![/p][/quote]Gomes has been here for more than 3 years so counts as a home player!![/p][/quote]Afraid not - it had to be 3 years PRIOR TO THEIR 21st BIRTHDAY 1234566789
  • Score: 7

4:11pm Sun 8 Jun 14

PozzoHornet says...

The Rover wrote:
garston tony wrote:
I think the home grown players idea is a good one, as much as its interesting to have foreign 'exotic' players in our team I like to see Brit players too especially if they have come through our own youth system.

I agree about the B team plan, the Prem has all the money in the world yet they are trying to dump the issue of English players coming through to the lower leagues. Yes lower league teams have a part to play, but why should the majority of teams get messed around just because the richest 20 clubs are being selfish?
So what would you think in a few years time when Chelsea B, Man Utd B, Man City B, Liverpool B etc. make it to the Premier League, giving clubs like Watford less of a chance?
He was against the B team idea, and also, B teams in Spain aren't allowed to be promoted to the first division, because they could purposely lose games against their parent club to give them an advantage in the title race. So, given Dyke is trying to make us exactly like Spain (cos he's an idiot), it's safe to assume that if B teams were introduced, they wouldn't be allowed promotion to the Prem, and maybe even the Championship.
[quote][p][bold]The Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: I think the home grown players idea is a good one, as much as its interesting to have foreign 'exotic' players in our team I like to see Brit players too especially if they have come through our own youth system. I agree about the B team plan, the Prem has all the money in the world yet they are trying to dump the issue of English players coming through to the lower leagues. Yes lower league teams have a part to play, but why should the majority of teams get messed around just because the richest 20 clubs are being selfish?[/p][/quote]So what would you think in a few years time when Chelsea B, Man Utd B, Man City B, Liverpool B etc. make it to the Premier League, giving clubs like Watford less of a chance?[/p][/quote]He was against the B team idea, and also, B teams in Spain aren't allowed to be promoted to the first division, because they could purposely lose games against their parent club to give them an advantage in the title race. So, given Dyke is trying to make us exactly like Spain (cos he's an idiot), it's safe to assume that if B teams were introduced, they wouldn't be allowed promotion to the Prem, and maybe even the Championship. PozzoHornet
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