Beppe Sannino states Watford 'need to build a team for next season with a different DNA'

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Beppe Sannino cancelled the Watford players’ day off today after the 3-1 defeat to Charlton Athletic and stated the club needs to “build a team for next season with a different DNA”.

The Hornets were convincingly beaten by Derby County and Charlton in the space of four days to leave the Hertfordshire side languishing in 13th place and can now finish no higher than 12th.

Sannino started his press conference after the Charlton match by saying: “Watford Football Club have to work. Our season will not finish on Saturday. We will still be working to repay the respect to supporters who come to watch our games. The season is not over for us.”

He later said: “I am not happy with the performance today so tomorrow was supposed to be a day off but all the squad will be at the training ground because we are professionals and we need to improve, so we will work and work and work.

“We will try to do better on Saturday. It is our last game of the season but as I said before, the season is not over for us because we have to work.”

He was asked to explain what the players would be doing after Saturday if the season would not end then.

“Normally the contracts of the players run until the end of June so we will clear this situation behind closed doors but we will work beyond Saturday,” he replied.

“We need to build a team for next season with a different DNA.”

Last night saw Albert Riera become the sixth player to receive a red card in Sannino’s 28 matches in charge.

Sannino said: “We have to reflect why. It was an incident from before and Riera had a warning. I was expecting different behaviour from him.”

The Golden Boys have also received 99 yellow cards so far this season, which is the highest in the Championship for seven years.

Sannino was pressed once again on whether he believes he needs to resolve his team’s discipline problems.

He replied: “The reflection is when you have a lot of bookings, you are not so good when facing your opponents one-versus-one. The basic in football is the one-versus-one; how many times you win the tackle and how many times you cut players off when one-versus-one.”

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5:25am Wed 30 Apr 14

grinns67 says...

Yet another dreadful performance new manager for next season is needed big time!!!!
Yet another dreadful performance new manager for next season is needed big time!!!! grinns67
  • Score: 14

7:04am Wed 30 Apr 14

VOReason says...

He says all the right things ... Problem is that he could not motivate the players once the play offs disappeared. Last 2 games have been big nails in the sannino coffin.

No side will ever win promotion from the championship with the attitude Watford demonstrated last night and at derby. Look at Leicester Burnley derbys recent results since achieving promotion or in derbys case the play offs. No unprofessionalism still turning out results. I'm afraid too many of our players do not have that mentality.
He says all the right things ... Problem is that he could not motivate the players once the play offs disappeared. Last 2 games have been big nails in the sannino coffin. No side will ever win promotion from the championship with the attitude Watford demonstrated last night and at derby. Look at Leicester Burnley derbys recent results since achieving promotion or in derbys case the play offs. No unprofessionalism still turning out results. I'm afraid too many of our players do not have that mentality. VOReason
  • Score: 44

7:24am Wed 30 Apr 14

endean2 says...

if radical changes are not made with this team for next year plus a new
British coach we will be in the same position as Charlton were this year,
if not worse!!!!!
I think this sentiment runs through all people on this forum.

Its not" a couple of new players in" any more idea but major surgery.
Unfortunately I think Deeney and a couple of our class players will be
long gone from the club, so we will have little to build from.

Just bring the curtains down on what has been from my viewpoint
a really dreadfull season, early promise turns to nothing.
if radical changes are not made with this team for next year plus a new British coach we will be in the same position as Charlton were this year, if not worse!!!!! I think this sentiment runs through all people on this forum. Its not" a couple of new players in" any more idea but major surgery. Unfortunately I think Deeney and a couple of our class players will be long gone from the club, so we will have little to build from. Just bring the curtains down on what has been from my viewpoint a really dreadfull season, early promise turns to nothing. endean2
  • Score: -10

7:55am Wed 30 Apr 14

DCB1 says...

It's so ridiculous that we have the highest number of yellow cards and third highest red cards but we are still so mentally weak! I could just about put up with such a high number of cards if it was because we bullied other teams and cynically closed games out but sadly we have become a petulant team who resort to silly fouls when things are going against us (which has been a lot this season!).

It's no surprise that Ekstrand and Cassetti are the main offenders. JE gets legitimately bullied by strong Championship attackers and resorts to silly fouls to try to impose himself, and Cassetti's legs have gone - as soon as he is isolated against an attacker, you know he's in trouble. Hopefully Tommy Hoban will be a permanent fixture next year as he very rarely goes to ground and has yet to pick up a booking in his 25 first team appearances. Time for a back four with Hoban and Angella as the centre backs?
It's so ridiculous that we have the highest number of yellow cards and third highest red cards but we are still so mentally weak! I could just about put up with such a high number of cards if it was because we bullied other teams and cynically closed games out but sadly we have become a petulant team who resort to silly fouls when things are going against us (which has been a lot this season!). It's no surprise that Ekstrand and Cassetti are the main offenders. JE gets legitimately bullied by strong Championship attackers and resorts to silly fouls to try to impose himself, and Cassetti's legs have gone - as soon as he is isolated against an attacker, you know he's in trouble. Hopefully Tommy Hoban will be a permanent fixture next year as he very rarely goes to ground and has yet to pick up a booking in his 25 first team appearances. Time for a back four with Hoban and Angella as the centre backs? DCB1
  • Score: 67

8:09am Wed 30 Apr 14

Essex Hornet says...

Let's start with the positives from last nights match.

1) Good sing song in the pub before the game
2) Briliant singing with all the lads down the front during the game.
3) Great goal from Troy Deeney and great effort from him over the whole 90 minutes. His applause to the supporters plus his boots being thrown to the fans was class. If half the players showed his enthusiasm and commitment during and after the game we would be well up there.
4) Hate to say it but two well taken goals by their wing back Harriott. Very exciting player with lot's of pace. Someone who would be good to hae in a Watford shirt.
4) Good performances from Hoban and Tosner after that I'm struggling to find anything good to say.

The negatives:

1) Peppe can cancel as many days off as he likes this lot need a major shake up if they are going to get anywhere next season.
2) Lloyd Doyley played probably his worst game ever.
3) Concentration and discipline at the back was dire. Two players sent off in four says says it all.
4) To may players went missing.
5) If / when Troy Deeney leaves then it will rip the heart out of the team.
6) You have to question how many of these guys deserve to wear the shirt.
7) To many players lacking in commitment and belief.

After the last three games the fans are definitely owed a performance on Saturday. COYH
Let's start with the positives from last nights match. 1) Good sing song in the pub before the game 2) Briliant singing with all the lads down the front during the game. 3) Great goal from Troy Deeney and great effort from him over the whole 90 minutes. His applause to the supporters plus his boots being thrown to the fans was class. If half the players showed his enthusiasm and commitment during and after the game we would be well up there. 4) Hate to say it but two well taken goals by their wing back Harriott. Very exciting player with lot's of pace. Someone who would be good to hae in a Watford shirt. 4) Good performances from Hoban and Tosner after that I'm struggling to find anything good to say. The negatives: 1) Peppe can cancel as many days off as he likes this lot need a major shake up if they are going to get anywhere next season. 2) Lloyd Doyley played probably his worst game ever. 3) Concentration and discipline at the back was dire. Two players sent off in four says says it all. 4) To may players went missing. 5) If / when Troy Deeney leaves then it will rip the heart out of the team. 6) You have to question how many of these guys deserve to wear the shirt. 7) To many players lacking in commitment and belief. After the last three games the fans are definitely owed a performance on Saturday. COYH Essex Hornet
  • Score: 45

8:32am Wed 30 Apr 14

Cuetip says...

Essex Hornet wrote:
Let's start with the positives from last nights match.

1) Good sing song in the pub before the game
2) Briliant singing with all the lads down the front during the game.
3) Great goal from Troy Deeney and great effort from him over the whole 90 minutes. His applause to the supporters plus his boots being thrown to the fans was class. If half the players showed his enthusiasm and commitment during and after the game we would be well up there.
4) Hate to say it but two well taken goals by their wing back Harriott. Very exciting player with lot's of pace. Someone who would be good to hae in a Watford shirt.
4) Good performances from Hoban and Tosner after that I'm struggling to find anything good to say.

The negatives:

1) Peppe can cancel as many days off as he likes this lot need a major shake up if they are going to get anywhere next season.
2) Lloyd Doyley played probably his worst game ever.
3) Concentration and discipline at the back was dire. Two players sent off in four says says it all.
4) To may players went missing.
5) If / when Troy Deeney leaves then it will rip the heart out of the team.
6) You have to question how many of these guys deserve to wear the shirt.
7) To many players lacking in commitment and belief.

After the last three games the fans are definitely owed a performance on Saturday. COYH
Many thanks for the evaluation and raising the issues which need to be addressed.
[quote][p][bold]Essex Hornet[/bold] wrote: Let's start with the positives from last nights match. 1) Good sing song in the pub before the game 2) Briliant singing with all the lads down the front during the game. 3) Great goal from Troy Deeney and great effort from him over the whole 90 minutes. His applause to the supporters plus his boots being thrown to the fans was class. If half the players showed his enthusiasm and commitment during and after the game we would be well up there. 4) Hate to say it but two well taken goals by their wing back Harriott. Very exciting player with lot's of pace. Someone who would be good to hae in a Watford shirt. 4) Good performances from Hoban and Tosner after that I'm struggling to find anything good to say. The negatives: 1) Peppe can cancel as many days off as he likes this lot need a major shake up if they are going to get anywhere next season. 2) Lloyd Doyley played probably his worst game ever. 3) Concentration and discipline at the back was dire. Two players sent off in four says says it all. 4) To may players went missing. 5) If / when Troy Deeney leaves then it will rip the heart out of the team. 6) You have to question how many of these guys deserve to wear the shirt. 7) To many players lacking in commitment and belief. After the last three games the fans are definitely owed a performance on Saturday. COYH[/p][/quote]Many thanks for the evaluation and raising the issues which need to be addressed. Cuetip
  • Score: 8

8:37am Wed 30 Apr 14

francowatford says...

Bepppe will be in charge but only up until Christmas time if results are poor. I think he has the brains to get is promoted and I am 100% sure he has the balls to tell the pozzo board what is required and he will not mince his words. Reality shake up from now to August and it wouldn't Surprise me of we saw lots of ins and outs.
Bepppe will be in charge but only up until Christmas time if results are poor. I think he has the brains to get is promoted and I am 100% sure he has the balls to tell the pozzo board what is required and he will not mince his words. Reality shake up from now to August and it wouldn't Surprise me of we saw lots of ins and outs. francowatford
  • Score: 16

8:40am Wed 30 Apr 14

Hornet Cornet says...

I've forgotten (again) but who had a big lump of money on us ending up in the Top 6 this season?
I've forgotten (again) but who had a big lump of money on us ending up in the Top 6 this season? Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -20

8:41am Wed 30 Apr 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

Sannino can talk the talk all he likes but the facts stare us all in the face.
This is not a team playing together! It's a bunch of individuals, some of them so obviously past it (Almunia, Cassetti, Doyley).
Our discipline is atrocious and not acceptable.
Apart from move everything we do back 20 yards from how Zola set up his team what has Sannino actually achieved?
We all want the Pozzo model to work and we are all grateful to them, but I'm afraid Sannino is not the man to take us forward.
There are lots of calls for a British manager but how many of them would want to work to 'Nani's recruitment policy'! £240k pa he gets plus a percentage of the transfer fee. Nice work if you can get it.
Deeney will go and probably Angella and, if we're not careful, Hoban too as he is a class act and being trailed. What are we then left with?
There are players here who are here for the ride and the money. Sannino cannot get them to play as a team. We need a clear out and a different manager with experience ( he doesn't HAVE to be British) but he does need proven experience at this level.
I'd jump at Malky returning ( though I suspect he's Norwich bound) or Hughton but would either of them be interested?
Sannino can talk the talk all he likes but the facts stare us all in the face. This is not a team playing together! It's a bunch of individuals, some of them so obviously past it (Almunia, Cassetti, Doyley). Our discipline is atrocious and not acceptable. Apart from move everything we do back 20 yards from how Zola set up his team what has Sannino actually achieved? We all want the Pozzo model to work and we are all grateful to them, but I'm afraid Sannino is not the man to take us forward. There are lots of calls for a British manager but how many of them would want to work to 'Nani's recruitment policy'! £240k pa he gets plus a percentage of the transfer fee. Nice work if you can get it. Deeney will go and probably Angella and, if we're not careful, Hoban too as he is a class act and being trailed. What are we then left with? There are players here who are here for the ride and the money. Sannino cannot get them to play as a team. We need a clear out and a different manager with experience ( he doesn't HAVE to be British) but he does need proven experience at this level. I'd jump at Malky returning ( though I suspect he's Norwich bound) or Hughton but would either of them be interested? The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 12

8:59am Wed 30 Apr 14

bristol hornet says...

All hot air again from BS, and no action on the pitch!!

Taxi for Beppe, and a quick call to either DeMatteo or Malky.
All hot air again from BS, and no action on the pitch!! Taxi for Beppe, and a quick call to either DeMatteo or Malky. bristol hornet
  • Score: 5

9:10am Wed 30 Apr 14

MJ1 says...

The BestTrip2011 wrote:
Sannino can talk the talk all he likes but the facts stare us all in the face.
This is not a team playing together! It's a bunch of individuals, some of them so obviously past it (Almunia, Cassetti, Doyley).
Our discipline is atrocious and not acceptable.
Apart from move everything we do back 20 yards from how Zola set up his team what has Sannino actually achieved?
We all want the Pozzo model to work and we are all grateful to them, but I'm afraid Sannino is not the man to take us forward.
There are lots of calls for a British manager but how many of them would want to work to 'Nani's recruitment policy'! £240k pa he gets plus a percentage of the transfer fee. Nice work if you can get it.
Deeney will go and probably Angella and, if we're not careful, Hoban too as he is a class act and being trailed. What are we then left with?
There are players here who are here for the ride and the money. Sannino cannot get them to play as a team. We need a clear out and a different manager with experience ( he doesn't HAVE to be British) but he does need proven experience at this level.
I'd jump at Malky returning ( though I suspect he's Norwich bound) or Hughton but would either of them be interested?
Spot on analysis
And add to this an incoherent recruitment policy where we end up with a surplus of half-rate midfielders who were expensive failures elsewhere and no new proven strikers.
And to state the blindingly obvious, how can Sannino get them to play as a team when he and his four assistants can't speak english and have no experience of the english game or the Championship.You couldn't make it up!
[quote][p][bold]The BestTrip2011[/bold] wrote: Sannino can talk the talk all he likes but the facts stare us all in the face. This is not a team playing together! It's a bunch of individuals, some of them so obviously past it (Almunia, Cassetti, Doyley). Our discipline is atrocious and not acceptable. Apart from move everything we do back 20 yards from how Zola set up his team what has Sannino actually achieved? We all want the Pozzo model to work and we are all grateful to them, but I'm afraid Sannino is not the man to take us forward. There are lots of calls for a British manager but how many of them would want to work to 'Nani's recruitment policy'! £240k pa he gets plus a percentage of the transfer fee. Nice work if you can get it. Deeney will go and probably Angella and, if we're not careful, Hoban too as he is a class act and being trailed. What are we then left with? There are players here who are here for the ride and the money. Sannino cannot get them to play as a team. We need a clear out and a different manager with experience ( he doesn't HAVE to be British) but he does need proven experience at this level. I'd jump at Malky returning ( though I suspect he's Norwich bound) or Hughton but would either of them be interested?[/p][/quote]Spot on analysis And add to this an incoherent recruitment policy where we end up with a surplus of half-rate midfielders who were expensive failures elsewhere and no new proven strikers. And to state the blindingly obvious, how can Sannino get them to play as a team when he and his four assistants can't speak english and have no experience of the english game or the Championship.You couldn't make it up! MJ1
  • Score: 18

9:12am Wed 30 Apr 14

WirralHornet64 says...

bristol hornet wrote:
All hot air again from BS, and no action on the pitch!!

Taxi for Beppe, and a quick call to either DeMatteo or Malky.
Why do people think Di Matteo would want to manage Watford ?
[quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: All hot air again from BS, and no action on the pitch!! Taxi for Beppe, and a quick call to either DeMatteo or Malky.[/p][/quote]Why do people think Di Matteo would want to manage Watford ? WirralHornet64
  • Score: 12

9:17am Wed 30 Apr 14

VOReason says...

bristol hornet wrote:
All hot air again from BS, and no action on the pitch!!

Taxi for Beppe, and a quick call to either DeMatteo or Malky.
Would love to see either:

Are we deluded, are we below both? I fear we probably are.

Di Matteo would give our clearly talented foreigners one more chance to prove they are good enough to emerge from the championship ...

Malkay would probably need to be given licence to add far more of a British 'championship' core, this may well be necessary but would be an expensive project and complete over halls very rarely have instant success. In fact zola's near miss last year was some achievement in hindsight even if this years alarming slump in form was of major concern
[quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: All hot air again from BS, and no action on the pitch!! Taxi for Beppe, and a quick call to either DeMatteo or Malky.[/p][/quote]Would love to see either: Are we deluded, are we below both? I fear we probably are. Di Matteo would give our clearly talented foreigners one more chance to prove they are good enough to emerge from the championship ... Malkay would probably need to be given licence to add far more of a British 'championship' core, this may well be necessary but would be an expensive project and complete over halls very rarely have instant success. In fact zola's near miss last year was some achievement in hindsight even if this years alarming slump in form was of major concern VOReason
  • Score: 10

9:19am Wed 30 Apr 14

No Wheels says...

bristol hornet wrote:
All hot air again from BS, and no action on the pitch!!

Taxi for Beppe, and a quick call to either DeMatteo or Malky.
Yeah, quick call to DeMatteo should do it. Or even Di Matteo – or any other champions league winning manager currently out of a job just straining at the leash to pit their wits against the might of Brentford... (did someone mention hot air?)
[quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: All hot air again from BS, and no action on the pitch!! Taxi for Beppe, and a quick call to either DeMatteo or Malky.[/p][/quote]Yeah, quick call to DeMatteo should do it. Or even Di Matteo – or any other champions league winning manager currently out of a job just straining at the leash to pit their wits against the might of Brentford... (did someone mention hot air?) No Wheels
  • Score: 0

9:28am Wed 30 Apr 14

jsjf1979 says...

Very frustrating performance, whatever the ins and outs during the summer we must buy a leader and some players with guts, who can tackle and run themselves into the ground. We are too soft, we have no discipline and as soon as the game starts going against us we roll over far too easily. This season has been very very disappointing, over to Nani to sort this mess out....
Very frustrating performance, whatever the ins and outs during the summer we must buy a leader and some players with guts, who can tackle and run themselves into the ground. We are too soft, we have no discipline and as soon as the game starts going against us we roll over far too easily. This season has been very very disappointing, over to Nani to sort this mess out.... jsjf1979
  • Score: 13

9:28am Wed 30 Apr 14

longcliffe says...

I think you should stop deluding yourselves about Di Matteo and Malky.
Perhaps you should aim for Bassett, Wise, Hoofroyd or someone like this.

You had your chance last season and you blew it, perhaps you celebrated too much before the final.

You might be playing Luton sooner than you think.
I think you should stop deluding yourselves about Di Matteo and Malky. Perhaps you should aim for Bassett, Wise, Hoofroyd or someone like this. You had your chance last season and you blew it, perhaps you celebrated too much before the final. You might be playing Luton sooner than you think. longcliffe
  • Score: -64

9:34am Wed 30 Apr 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

jsjf1979 wrote:
Very frustrating performance, whatever the ins and outs during the summer we must buy a leader and some players with guts, who can tackle and run themselves into the ground. We are too soft, we have no discipline and as soon as the game starts going against us we roll over far too easily. This season has been very very disappointing, over to Nani to sort this mess out....
Like Lucas Neill you mean?
[quote][p][bold]jsjf1979[/bold] wrote: Very frustrating performance, whatever the ins and outs during the summer we must buy a leader and some players with guts, who can tackle and run themselves into the ground. We are too soft, we have no discipline and as soon as the game starts going against us we roll over far too easily. This season has been very very disappointing, over to Nani to sort this mess out....[/p][/quote]Like Lucas Neill you mean? The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 4

9:58am Wed 30 Apr 14

poole-horn says...

longcliffe wrote:
I think you should stop deluding yourselves about Di Matteo and Malky.
Perhaps you should aim for Bassett, Wise, Hoofroyd or someone like this.

You had your chance last season and you blew it, perhaps you celebrated too much before the final.

You might be playing Luton sooner than you think.
Dream on.
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: I think you should stop deluding yourselves about Di Matteo and Malky. Perhaps you should aim for Bassett, Wise, Hoofroyd or someone like this. You had your chance last season and you blew it, perhaps you celebrated too much before the final. You might be playing Luton sooner than you think.[/p][/quote]Dream on. poole-horn
  • Score: 9

10:20am Wed 30 Apr 14

Willow23 says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
I've forgotten (again) but who had a big lump of money on us ending up in the Top 6 this season?
That would be me! £800!! The worse thing about it has been the constant hope. Nah it's over oh no it ain't etc etc
Won't ever be doing that again
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I've forgotten (again) but who had a big lump of money on us ending up in the Top 6 this season?[/p][/quote]That would be me! £800!! The worse thing about it has been the constant hope. Nah it's over oh no it ain't etc etc Won't ever be doing that again Willow23
  • Score: 3

10:27am Wed 30 Apr 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

The BestTrip2011 wrote:
jsjf1979 wrote:
Very frustrating performance, whatever the ins and outs during the summer we must buy a leader and some players with guts, who can tackle and run themselves into the ground. We are too soft, we have no discipline and as soon as the game starts going against us we roll over far too easily. This season has been very very disappointing, over to Nani to sort this mess out....
Like Lucas Neill you mean?
yes like Neill but someone "experienced" rather than someone who was experienced 4 years ago and now is just plain "old".

Can't believe Nani is paid a % of transfer fees paid. Surely that just incentives him to bring in as many expensive players as he possibly can ?
[quote][p][bold]The BestTrip2011[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jsjf1979[/bold] wrote: Very frustrating performance, whatever the ins and outs during the summer we must buy a leader and some players with guts, who can tackle and run themselves into the ground. We are too soft, we have no discipline and as soon as the game starts going against us we roll over far too easily. This season has been very very disappointing, over to Nani to sort this mess out....[/p][/quote]Like Lucas Neill you mean?[/p][/quote]yes like Neill but someone "experienced" rather than someone who was experienced 4 years ago and now is just plain "old". Can't believe Nani is paid a % of transfer fees paid. Surely that just incentives him to bring in as many expensive players as he possibly can ? Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 5

10:32am Wed 30 Apr 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
The BestTrip2011 wrote:
jsjf1979 wrote:
Very frustrating performance, whatever the ins and outs during the summer we must buy a leader and some players with guts, who can tackle and run themselves into the ground. We are too soft, we have no discipline and as soon as the game starts going against us we roll over far too easily. This season has been very very disappointing, over to Nani to sort this mess out....
Like Lucas Neill you mean?
yes like Neill but someone "experienced" rather than someone who was experienced 4 years ago and now is just plain "old".

Can't believe Nani is paid a % of transfer fees paid. Surely that just incentives him to bring in as many expensive players as he possibly can ?
Surely not Mickey, what on earth are you suggesting?
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The BestTrip2011[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jsjf1979[/bold] wrote: Very frustrating performance, whatever the ins and outs during the summer we must buy a leader and some players with guts, who can tackle and run themselves into the ground. We are too soft, we have no discipline and as soon as the game starts going against us we roll over far too easily. This season has been very very disappointing, over to Nani to sort this mess out....[/p][/quote]Like Lucas Neill you mean?[/p][/quote]yes like Neill but someone "experienced" rather than someone who was experienced 4 years ago and now is just plain "old". Can't believe Nani is paid a % of transfer fees paid. Surely that just incentives him to bring in as many expensive players as he possibly can ?[/p][/quote]Surely not Mickey, what on earth are you suggesting? The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 0

10:32am Wed 30 Apr 14

SAHornet says...

Willow23 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
I've forgotten (again) but who had a big lump of money on us ending up in the Top 6 this season?
That would be me! £800!! The worse thing about it has been the constant hope. Nah it's over oh no it ain't etc etc
Won't ever be doing that again
Yep and me. Had R800 on us to win as champs and another R800 on Fabbrini (who?) to be league's top scorer. How fraggin stupid was I ? Oh well, that's just life I guess.
[quote][p][bold]Willow23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I've forgotten (again) but who had a big lump of money on us ending up in the Top 6 this season?[/p][/quote]That would be me! £800!! The worse thing about it has been the constant hope. Nah it's over oh no it ain't etc etc Won't ever be doing that again[/p][/quote]Yep and me. Had R800 on us to win as champs and another R800 on Fabbrini (who?) to be league's top scorer. How fraggin stupid was I ? Oh well, that's just life I guess. SAHornet
  • Score: 3

10:37am Wed 30 Apr 14

SAHornet says...

Beppe probably isn't the main problem here. Nani most definitely is. He needs to go first and our nonsensical recruitment policy with him. Arrivederci, Nani !
Beppe probably isn't the main problem here. Nani most definitely is. He needs to go first and our nonsensical recruitment policy with him. Arrivederci, Nani ! SAHornet
  • Score: 18

10:37am Wed 30 Apr 14

mellow yellow says...

I hope Saturday simply turns into an end of season party, and we can just have a laugh, and hopefully cheer on some of the kids who should be given a go. The season has been nothing short of a farce, and I speak as one who chucked on money for our seemingly guaranteed top two/six place.

Above all else I question the total utter randomness of so many gormless and unfit (usually both!) loan signings... Very few success stories there. The most worrying thing for me is actually WHERE we rebuild from. Beppe? Nani? The Pozzo's... What a shambles. Duxbury needs to address what has gone wrong, as the only British connection we seem to have at that level. We have the right owners, of that I am sure...
I hope Saturday simply turns into an end of season party, and we can just have a laugh, and hopefully cheer on some of the kids who should be given a go. The season has been nothing short of a farce, and I speak as one who chucked on money for our seemingly guaranteed top two/six place. Above all else I question the total utter randomness of so many gormless and unfit (usually both!) loan signings... Very few success stories there. The most worrying thing for me is actually WHERE we rebuild from. Beppe? Nani? The Pozzo's... What a shambles. Duxbury needs to address what has gone wrong, as the only British connection we seem to have at that level. We have the right owners, of that I am sure... mellow yellow
  • Score: 14

10:43am Wed 30 Apr 14

rousman 2 says...

Never mind cancel day off for the players, cancel Sannino's contract would be a better idea.
Never mind cancel day off for the players, cancel Sannino's contract would be a better idea. rousman 2
  • Score: 6

10:51am Wed 30 Apr 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

mellow yellow wrote:
I hope Saturday simply turns into an end of season party, and we can just have a laugh, and hopefully cheer on some of the kids who should be given a go. The season has been nothing short of a farce, and I speak as one who chucked on money for our seemingly guaranteed top two/six place.

Above all else I question the total utter randomness of so many gormless and unfit (usually both!) loan signings... Very few success stories there. The most worrying thing for me is actually WHERE we rebuild from. Beppe? Nani? The Pozzo's... What a shambles. Duxbury needs to address what has gone wrong, as the only British connection we seem to have at that level. We have the right owners, of that I am sure...
Lucas Neill, Samba Diakite, Chu-Young Park, Essaid Belkalem - thank you Nani for your wise experience in burdening us with such quality. £240k pa people!
I would add Merkel to the above, but I know he can play. It's just Sannino doesn't know how to get the best out of him.
As for the form of Anya, Cassetti, Ekstrand and Almunia under Sannino..well.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: I hope Saturday simply turns into an end of season party, and we can just have a laugh, and hopefully cheer on some of the kids who should be given a go. The season has been nothing short of a farce, and I speak as one who chucked on money for our seemingly guaranteed top two/six place. Above all else I question the total utter randomness of so many gormless and unfit (usually both!) loan signings... Very few success stories there. The most worrying thing for me is actually WHERE we rebuild from. Beppe? Nani? The Pozzo's... What a shambles. Duxbury needs to address what has gone wrong, as the only British connection we seem to have at that level. We have the right owners, of that I am sure...[/p][/quote]Lucas Neill, Samba Diakite, Chu-Young Park, Essaid Belkalem - thank you Nani for your wise experience in burdening us with such quality. £240k pa people! I would add Merkel to the above, but I know he can play. It's just Sannino doesn't know how to get the best out of him. As for the form of Anya, Cassetti, Ekstrand and Almunia under Sannino..well. The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 10

11:09am Wed 30 Apr 14

jsjf1979 says...

KEEP

BOND
HOBAN
ANGELLA
DOYLEY
PUDIL
TOSZER
ABDI
MURRAY
ANYA
RANEGIE
MCGUGAN
FORESTIERI
BATTOCCHIO
FARAONI

LEAVING BUT SHOULD KEEP

DEENEY

TO BE MOVED ON

ALMUNIA
BELKALEM
EKSTRAND
MERKEL
HALL
CASSETTI
JENKINS
FABBRINI
IRINEY
NOSWORTHY

That would mean, unfortunately, yet ANOTHER season of rebuilding, albeit a completely necessary one. We need to sign:

EXPERIENCED GOALKEEPER
COMMANDING NO NONSENSE CB
RIGHT BACK
LEFT BACK
BALL WINNING MIDFIELDER WHO WILL ALLOW TOSZER AND ABDI TO PLAY AHEAD OF THEM
PACY STRIKER (VYDRA BACK!?)
ANOTHER FORWARD
2 X WIDE PLAYERS

This is the problem our recruitment policy has created. Each summer it is upheaval. We need to start building for long term - look at what continuity have done for Burnley and Leicester yet each season we find ourselves having to replace half of our squad....Nani, as head of recruitment, needs to go, in my opinion, it is not working at present.
KEEP BOND HOBAN ANGELLA DOYLEY PUDIL TOSZER ABDI MURRAY ANYA RANEGIE MCGUGAN FORESTIERI BATTOCCHIO FARAONI LEAVING BUT SHOULD KEEP DEENEY TO BE MOVED ON ALMUNIA BELKALEM EKSTRAND MERKEL HALL CASSETTI JENKINS FABBRINI IRINEY NOSWORTHY That would mean, unfortunately, yet ANOTHER season of rebuilding, albeit a completely necessary one. We need to sign: EXPERIENCED GOALKEEPER COMMANDING NO NONSENSE CB RIGHT BACK LEFT BACK BALL WINNING MIDFIELDER WHO WILL ALLOW TOSZER AND ABDI TO PLAY AHEAD OF THEM PACY STRIKER (VYDRA BACK!?) ANOTHER FORWARD 2 X WIDE PLAYERS This is the problem our recruitment policy has created. Each summer it is upheaval. We need to start building for long term - look at what continuity have done for Burnley and Leicester yet each season we find ourselves having to replace half of our squad....Nani, as head of recruitment, needs to go, in my opinion, it is not working at present. jsjf1979
  • Score: 19

11:14am Wed 30 Apr 14

Hornet Cornet says...

SAHornet wrote:
Willow23 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
I've forgotten (again) but who had a big lump of money on us ending up in the Top 6 this season?
That would be me! £800!! The worse thing about it has been the constant hope. Nah it's over oh no it ain't etc etc
Won't ever be doing that again
Yep and me. Had R800 on us to win as champs and another R800 on Fabbrini (who?) to be league's top scorer. How fraggin stupid was I ? Oh well, that's just life I guess.
I'm lucky I didn't put a similar bet on as, pre-season, I thought we would have been good enough for at least a Top 6 spot.

Changing the subject, and even though he scored against us at Wembley, it would have been nice to have Kevin Phillips in our squad for next season, even if he just came on as an impact player.

HC
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willow23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I've forgotten (again) but who had a big lump of money on us ending up in the Top 6 this season?[/p][/quote]That would be me! £800!! The worse thing about it has been the constant hope. Nah it's over oh no it ain't etc etc Won't ever be doing that again[/p][/quote]Yep and me. Had R800 on us to win as champs and another R800 on Fabbrini (who?) to be league's top scorer. How fraggin stupid was I ? Oh well, that's just life I guess.[/p][/quote]I'm lucky I didn't put a similar bet on as, pre-season, I thought we would have been good enough for at least a Top 6 spot. Changing the subject, and even though he scored against us at Wembley, it would have been nice to have Kevin Phillips in our squad for next season, even if he just came on as an impact player. HC Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -27

11:34am Wed 30 Apr 14

Magnus Icelandhornet says...

Would like to have Roberto Di Matteo if possible, before pre-season in charge. He lives in Warwickshire and knows all about english football.

Im ok with us loosing at least 3 of the last 4 matches if that wakes up the owners to do whats needs to be done NOW!
Would like to have Roberto Di Matteo if possible, before pre-season in charge. He lives in Warwickshire and knows all about english football. Im ok with us loosing at least 3 of the last 4 matches if that wakes up the owners to do whats needs to be done NOW! Magnus Icelandhornet
  • Score: 3

12:28pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Wimbledonhorn says...

The pozzos have a very big call to make in the next few weeks. Is Beppe the man? How many away games have we won under him? Just 1 I think...

This team is screaming out for a strong british spine, a proper back 4 and probably an experienced chapionship manager...
The pozzos have a very big call to make in the next few weeks. Is Beppe the man? How many away games have we won under him? Just 1 I think... This team is screaming out for a strong british spine, a proper back 4 and probably an experienced chapionship manager... Wimbledonhorn
  • Score: 6

12:35pm Wed 30 Apr 14

mellow yellow says...

Here's a name which could be either a total disaster or an inspired choice... Roy Keane. A man who could work with classy players, who nobody would underestimate, and who has probably learnt a great deal from his recent managerial ups and downs. Just a thought.
Here's a name which could be either a total disaster or an inspired choice... Roy Keane. A man who could work with classy players, who nobody would underestimate, and who has probably learnt a great deal from his recent managerial ups and downs. Just a thought. mellow yellow
  • Score: -41

12:49pm Wed 30 Apr 14

rousman 2 says...

Wimbledonhorn wrote:
The pozzos have a very big call to make in the next few weeks. Is Beppe the man? How many away games have we won under him? Just 1 I think...

This team is screaming out for a strong british spine, a proper back 4 and probably an experienced chapionship manager...
Agree experienced Championship manager is a must, otherwise next season will be the same.
[quote][p][bold]Wimbledonhorn[/bold] wrote: The pozzos have a very big call to make in the next few weeks. Is Beppe the man? How many away games have we won under him? Just 1 I think... This team is screaming out for a strong british spine, a proper back 4 and probably an experienced chapionship manager...[/p][/quote]Agree experienced Championship manager is a must, otherwise next season will be the same. rousman 2
  • Score: 5

12:53pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Sahorn says...

jsjf1979 wrote:
KEEP

BOND
HOBAN
ANGELLA
DOYLEY
PUDIL
TOSZER
ABDI
MURRAY
ANYA
RANEGIE
MCGUGAN
FORESTIERI
BATTOCCHIO
FARAONI

LEAVING BUT SHOULD KEEP

DEENEY

TO BE MOVED ON

ALMUNIA
BELKALEM
EKSTRAND
MERKEL
HALL
CASSETTI
JENKINS
FABBRINI
IRINEY
NOSWORTHY

That would mean, unfortunately, yet ANOTHER season of rebuilding, albeit a completely necessary one. We need to sign:

EXPERIENCED GOALKEEPER
COMMANDING NO NONSENSE CB
RIGHT BACK
LEFT BACK
BALL WINNING MIDFIELDER WHO WILL ALLOW TOSZER AND ABDI TO PLAY AHEAD OF THEM
PACY STRIKER (VYDRA BACK!?)
ANOTHER FORWARD
2 X WIDE PLAYERS

This is the problem our recruitment policy has created. Each summer it is upheaval. We need to start building for long term - look at what continuity have done for Burnley and Leicester yet each season we find ourselves having to replace half of our squad....Nani, as head of recruitment, needs to go, in my opinion, it is not working at present.
Also need:-
1. A outfield LEADER team captain. Or 'enforcer' as GT would call him. Sadly lacking since John Eustace left.
2. Fitness - so players are not 'tired' in last quarter - shame
3. Play 4 at the back (with commanding CB). Defending has too many times been Sunday park standard.
4. Discipline. It's been diabolical with too many cards and unnecessary dismissals.
5. A psychologist/voodoo witch doctor/ sangoma/hypnotist to change the negative mindset of players when closing out a game.
[quote][p][bold]jsjf1979[/bold] wrote: KEEP BOND HOBAN ANGELLA DOYLEY PUDIL TOSZER ABDI MURRAY ANYA RANEGIE MCGUGAN FORESTIERI BATTOCCHIO FARAONI LEAVING BUT SHOULD KEEP DEENEY TO BE MOVED ON ALMUNIA BELKALEM EKSTRAND MERKEL HALL CASSETTI JENKINS FABBRINI IRINEY NOSWORTHY That would mean, unfortunately, yet ANOTHER season of rebuilding, albeit a completely necessary one. We need to sign: EXPERIENCED GOALKEEPER COMMANDING NO NONSENSE CB RIGHT BACK LEFT BACK BALL WINNING MIDFIELDER WHO WILL ALLOW TOSZER AND ABDI TO PLAY AHEAD OF THEM PACY STRIKER (VYDRA BACK!?) ANOTHER FORWARD 2 X WIDE PLAYERS This is the problem our recruitment policy has created. Each summer it is upheaval. We need to start building for long term - look at what continuity have done for Burnley and Leicester yet each season we find ourselves having to replace half of our squad....Nani, as head of recruitment, needs to go, in my opinion, it is not working at present.[/p][/quote]Also need:- 1. A outfield LEADER team captain. Or 'enforcer' as GT would call him. Sadly lacking since John Eustace left. 2. Fitness - so players are not 'tired' in last quarter - shame 3. Play 4 at the back (with commanding CB). Defending has too many times been Sunday park standard. 4. Discipline. It's been diabolical with too many cards and unnecessary dismissals. 5. A psychologist/voodoo witch doctor/ sangoma/hypnotist to change the negative mindset of players when closing out a game. Sahorn
  • Score: 11

12:58pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Goalkeepers Union says...

Left field idea...How about Zola's assistant from his first season, many people said he was the brains behind us that season anyway. Maybe he should get a crack as the manager??
Left field idea...How about Zola's assistant from his first season, many people said he was the brains behind us that season anyway. Maybe he should get a crack as the manager?? Goalkeepers Union
  • Score: 6

12:58pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Hornet Cornet says...

mellow yellow wrote:
Here's a name which could be either a total disaster or an inspired choice... Roy Keane. A man who could work with classy players, who nobody would underestimate, and who has probably learnt a great deal from his recent managerial ups and downs. Just a thought.
He's been out the game for a long time but what about Glenn Hoddle?

HC
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: Here's a name which could be either a total disaster or an inspired choice... Roy Keane. A man who could work with classy players, who nobody would underestimate, and who has probably learnt a great deal from his recent managerial ups and downs. Just a thought.[/p][/quote]He's been out the game for a long time but what about Glenn Hoddle? HC Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -14

1:14pm Wed 30 Apr 14

matey_from_brighton says...

I wonder just how much we miss John Eustace. I can imagine that he would have caught up pretty quickly with Cassetti and Reira on the training pitch after their stupid sending offs. A good club captain puts opponents in place on the pitch and team mates right off the pitch. Zola knew his value and things went downhill pretty quickly without him this year.
I wonder just how much we miss John Eustace. I can imagine that he would have caught up pretty quickly with Cassetti and Reira on the training pitch after their stupid sending offs. A good club captain puts opponents in place on the pitch and team mates right off the pitch. Zola knew his value and things went downhill pretty quickly without him this year. matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 16

1:15pm Wed 30 Apr 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
Willow23 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
I've forgotten (again) but who had a big lump of money on us ending up in the Top 6 this season?
That would be me! £800!! The worse thing about it has been the constant hope. Nah it's over oh no it ain't etc etc
Won't ever be doing that again
Yep and me. Had R800 on us to win as champs and another R800 on Fabbrini (who?) to be league's top scorer. How fraggin stupid was I ? Oh well, that's just life I guess.
I'm lucky I didn't put a similar bet on as, pre-season, I thought we would have been good enough for at least a Top 6 spot.

Changing the subject, and even though he scored against us at Wembley, it would have been nice to have Kevin Phillips in our squad for next season, even if he just came on as an impact player.

HC
What about Phillips as manager?
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willow23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I've forgotten (again) but who had a big lump of money on us ending up in the Top 6 this season?[/p][/quote]That would be me! £800!! The worse thing about it has been the constant hope. Nah it's over oh no it ain't etc etc Won't ever be doing that again[/p][/quote]Yep and me. Had R800 on us to win as champs and another R800 on Fabbrini (who?) to be league's top scorer. How fraggin stupid was I ? Oh well, that's just life I guess.[/p][/quote]I'm lucky I didn't put a similar bet on as, pre-season, I thought we would have been good enough for at least a Top 6 spot. Changing the subject, and even though he scored against us at Wembley, it would have been nice to have Kevin Phillips in our squad for next season, even if he just came on as an impact player. HC[/p][/quote]What about Phillips as manager? The BestTrip2011
  • Score: -30

1:46pm Wed 30 Apr 14

jasonwatford says...

We played the best football i've seen at QPR for the first 30mins now 180 mins later the manager has to go !!! ?? It's not him that is the issue is it , it's the players. Charlton was 2nd rate team we put out and it showed. As for Di matteo please get real people , he won the champions league so I guess he will want a lot of money to manage a team and there will be many European clubs after him so lets just get real eh ? Yes he was a Watford a lot when his best friend was in charge.....not been to many lately has he ?? Or maybe you also think we can sign messi bale and Ronaldo ??
We played the best football i've seen at QPR for the first 30mins now 180 mins later the manager has to go !!! ?? It's not him that is the issue is it , it's the players. Charlton was 2nd rate team we put out and it showed. As for Di matteo please get real people , he won the champions league so I guess he will want a lot of money to manage a team and there will be many European clubs after him so lets just get real eh ? Yes he was a Watford a lot when his best friend was in charge.....not been to many lately has he ?? Or maybe you also think we can sign messi bale and Ronaldo ?? jasonwatford
  • Score: -2

2:27pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Hornet Cornet says...

I want Burkinshaw back. He's an old head on old shoulders, so he is old, but so is my granddad and he's still good.

HC

P.S: Anyone else heard that Roy Keane is coming over?
I want Burkinshaw back. He's an old head on old shoulders, so he is old, but so is my granddad and he's still good. HC P.S: Anyone else heard that Roy Keane is coming over? Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -21

2:41pm Wed 30 Apr 14

neilhorn says...

Our players are lazy and unprofessional. That's just a fact- bottom of the fair play league (Burnley are top) means they keep getting caught out of position and try to cover for this by committing lazy petulant fouls. Some will also lash out like spoilt children (Ranegie at Doncaster an example) even though they know that hurts their team and not the opposition.
The manager can work on this but he shouldn't be held entirely responsible just yet. Personally I'd like to see him given a full season with a full pre-season, I think he has earned it and deserves it
Our players are lazy and unprofessional. That's just a fact- bottom of the fair play league (Burnley are top) means they keep getting caught out of position and try to cover for this by committing lazy petulant fouls. Some will also lash out like spoilt children (Ranegie at Doncaster an example) even though they know that hurts their team and not the opposition. The manager can work on this but he shouldn't be held entirely responsible just yet. Personally I'd like to see him given a full season with a full pre-season, I think he has earned it and deserves it neilhorn
  • Score: 10

2:49pm Wed 30 Apr 14

neilhorn says...

matey_from_brighton wrote:
I wonder just how much we miss John Eustace. I can imagine that he would have caught up pretty quickly with Cassetti and Reira on the training pitch after their stupid sending offs. A good club captain puts opponents in place on the pitch and team mates right off the pitch. Zola knew his value and things went downhill pretty quickly without him this year.
i agree - tough pro who basically refs the game. We moved him on to Derby thinking he wasn't really our type of player any more. They finish 25 points above us....
[quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: I wonder just how much we miss John Eustace. I can imagine that he would have caught up pretty quickly with Cassetti and Reira on the training pitch after their stupid sending offs. A good club captain puts opponents in place on the pitch and team mates right off the pitch. Zola knew his value and things went downhill pretty quickly without him this year.[/p][/quote]i agree - tough pro who basically refs the game. We moved him on to Derby thinking he wasn't really our type of player any more. They finish 25 points above us.... neilhorn
  • Score: 9

3:16pm Wed 30 Apr 14

garston tony says...

I dont know if I agree that BP has to go, but if he does then it has to be sooner than later and the new manager, or BP if he stays, has to have a much bigger say (bigger than Nani's) in who is recruited for next season.

The reason I say sooner is so that the new players and manager if it
comes to that can get as much time bedding in as possible and the manager needs to be able to choose who comes in otherwise he cant truly be expected to impose his style of play and ethos on the team. The club got away with the scatter gun approach to recruiting last year but its failings are clear to see this season
I dont know if I agree that BP has to go, but if he does then it has to be sooner than later and the new manager, or BP if he stays, has to have a much bigger say (bigger than Nani's) in who is recruited for next season. The reason I say sooner is so that the new players and manager if it comes to that can get as much time bedding in as possible and the manager needs to be able to choose who comes in otherwise he cant truly be expected to impose his style of play and ethos on the team. The club got away with the scatter gun approach to recruiting last year but its failings are clear to see this season garston tony
  • Score: 3

3:19pm Wed 30 Apr 14

garston tony says...

Any chance of getting Paul Robinson back from Birmingham?
Any chance of getting Paul Robinson back from Birmingham? garston tony
  • Score: -16

3:29pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Boosey says...

One word describes our supporters, fickle!
One word describes our supporters, fickle! Boosey
  • Score: 8

4:01pm Wed 30 Apr 14

mellow yellow says...

Boosey wrote:
One word describes our supporters, fickle!
What's your thoughts about the current situation then, fella? All clubs have fickle fans. For me, the lack of focus regarding loan signings is the main issue, so I know where I would aim most of my frustration...
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: One word describes our supporters, fickle![/p][/quote]What's your thoughts about the current situation then, fella? All clubs have fickle fans. For me, the lack of focus regarding loan signings is the main issue, so I know where I would aim most of my frustration... mellow yellow
  • Score: 4

4:06pm Wed 30 Apr 14

MJ1 says...

jsjf1979 wrote:
KEEP

BOND
HOBAN
ANGELLA
DOYLEY
PUDIL
TOSZER
ABDI
MURRAY
ANYA
RANEGIE
MCGUGAN
FORESTIERI
BATTOCCHIO
FARAONI

LEAVING BUT SHOULD KEEP

DEENEY

TO BE MOVED ON

ALMUNIA
BELKALEM
EKSTRAND
MERKEL
HALL
CASSETTI
JENKINS
FABBRINI
IRINEY
NOSWORTHY

That would mean, unfortunately, yet ANOTHER season of rebuilding, albeit a completely necessary one. We need to sign:

EXPERIENCED GOALKEEPER
COMMANDING NO NONSENSE CB
RIGHT BACK
LEFT BACK
BALL WINNING MIDFIELDER WHO WILL ALLOW TOSZER AND ABDI TO PLAY AHEAD OF THEM
PACY STRIKER (VYDRA BACK!?)
ANOTHER FORWARD
2 X WIDE PLAYERS

This is the problem our recruitment policy has created. Each summer it is upheaval. We need to start building for long term - look at what continuity have done for Burnley and Leicester yet each season we find ourselves having to replace half of our squad....Nani, as head of recruitment, needs to go, in my opinion, it is not working at present.
Interesting as your post reflects the fact that the Pozzos are operating the Italian model where the manager is just the coach and players are bought by a more senior person at the club in consultation with the owners. What good British mamager would want to work under those conditions? Only one who had failed and had been out of work for a long time. Until the structure changes the team will remain a castle built on sand.
[quote][p][bold]jsjf1979[/bold] wrote: KEEP BOND HOBAN ANGELLA DOYLEY PUDIL TOSZER ABDI MURRAY ANYA RANEGIE MCGUGAN FORESTIERI BATTOCCHIO FARAONI LEAVING BUT SHOULD KEEP DEENEY TO BE MOVED ON ALMUNIA BELKALEM EKSTRAND MERKEL HALL CASSETTI JENKINS FABBRINI IRINEY NOSWORTHY That would mean, unfortunately, yet ANOTHER season of rebuilding, albeit a completely necessary one. We need to sign: EXPERIENCED GOALKEEPER COMMANDING NO NONSENSE CB RIGHT BACK LEFT BACK BALL WINNING MIDFIELDER WHO WILL ALLOW TOSZER AND ABDI TO PLAY AHEAD OF THEM PACY STRIKER (VYDRA BACK!?) ANOTHER FORWARD 2 X WIDE PLAYERS This is the problem our recruitment policy has created. Each summer it is upheaval. We need to start building for long term - look at what continuity have done for Burnley and Leicester yet each season we find ourselves having to replace half of our squad....Nani, as head of recruitment, needs to go, in my opinion, it is not working at present.[/p][/quote]Interesting as your post reflects the fact that the Pozzos are operating the Italian model where the manager is just the coach and players are bought by a more senior person at the club in consultation with the owners. What good British mamager would want to work under those conditions? Only one who had failed and had been out of work for a long time. Until the structure changes the team will remain a castle built on sand. MJ1
  • Score: 2

4:33pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Eastmid Horn says...

You're all forgetting one person who would fit the bill, kick a_se, and do a great rebuilding job with the Pozzo's - by the way he's a Watford LAD... Tim Sherwood. Done a fine job in my opinion at Spurs only to be told his services no longer required at end of season - why not? seems ideal fit for me.
You're all forgetting one person who would fit the bill, kick a_se, and do a great rebuilding job with the Pozzo's - by the way he's a Watford LAD... Tim Sherwood. Done a fine job in my opinion at Spurs only to be told his services no longer required at end of season - why not? seems ideal fit for me. Eastmid Horn
  • Score: 10

4:35pm Wed 30 Apr 14

uppereastsidehornet says...

Boosey wrote:
One word describes our supporters, fickle!
spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: One word describes our supporters, fickle![/p][/quote]spot on. uppereastsidehornet
  • Score: 0

4:45pm Wed 30 Apr 14

bristol hornet says...

Where is Jason now after bashing me yesterday for saying we need a British manager who knows the Championship?

There are a lot who agree with me on this thread Jason, so come on, "let's be avenue"!

THis is my third post and you still have not answered me!

The only acceptable foreigner would be De Matteo, otherwise go for Malky, Jackett, or maybe even Warburton.
Where is Jason now after bashing me yesterday for saying we need a British manager who knows the Championship? There are a lot who agree with me on this thread Jason, so come on, "let's be avenue"! THis is my third post and you still have not answered me! The only acceptable foreigner would be De Matteo, otherwise go for Malky, Jackett, or maybe even Warburton. bristol hornet
  • Score: -3

5:09pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Boosey says...

mellow yellow wrote:
Boosey wrote:
One word describes our supporters, fickle!
What's your thoughts about the current situation then, fella? All clubs have fickle fans. For me, the lack of focus regarding loan signings is the main issue, so I know where I would aim most of my frustration...
Unfortunately I cannot afford to go to the away games but as Jason has stated, we basically fielded a second 11 side against Charlton, we lose three away games on the bounce and everyone wants Beppe out. yet two weeks ago he was the man to get us promotion next season.
Maybe if I had gone to Charlton I would have probably jumped on the bandwagon as well, I am a bad loser and someone has to take the blame and unfortunately it seems to be Beppe.
Regarding the loan players I'm with you on that one and when you have a bad loan signing playing before a contracted player surely that must have an effect on the squad's attitude, I know I would be **** off with it.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: One word describes our supporters, fickle![/p][/quote]What's your thoughts about the current situation then, fella? All clubs have fickle fans. For me, the lack of focus regarding loan signings is the main issue, so I know where I would aim most of my frustration...[/p][/quote]Unfortunately I cannot afford to go to the away games but as Jason has stated, we basically fielded a second 11 side against Charlton, we lose three away games on the bounce and everyone wants Beppe out. yet two weeks ago he was the man to get us promotion next season. Maybe if I had gone to Charlton I would have probably jumped on the bandwagon as well, I am a bad loser and someone has to take the blame and unfortunately it seems to be Beppe. Regarding the loan players I'm with you on that one and when you have a bad loan signing playing before a contracted player surely that must have an effect on the squad's attitude, I know I would be **** off with it. Boosey
  • Score: 6

6:28pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Man from Pinner says...

DCB1 wrote:
It's so ridiculous that we have the highest number of yellow cards and third highest red cards but we are still so mentally weak! I could just about put up with such a high number of cards if it was because we bullied other teams and cynically closed games out but sadly we have become a petulant team who resort to silly fouls when things are going against us (which has been a lot this season!).

It's no surprise that Ekstrand and Cassetti are the main offenders. JE gets legitimately bullied by strong Championship attackers and resorts to silly fouls to try to impose himself, and Cassetti's legs have gone - as soon as he is isolated against an attacker, you know he's in trouble. Hopefully Tommy Hoban will be a permanent fixture next year as he very rarely goes to ground and has yet to pick up a booking in his 25 first team appearances. Time for a back four with Hoban and Angella as the centre backs?
With a strong centre half in between Angella and Hoban
[quote][p][bold]DCB1[/bold] wrote: It's so ridiculous that we have the highest number of yellow cards and third highest red cards but we are still so mentally weak! I could just about put up with such a high number of cards if it was because we bullied other teams and cynically closed games out but sadly we have become a petulant team who resort to silly fouls when things are going against us (which has been a lot this season!). It's no surprise that Ekstrand and Cassetti are the main offenders. JE gets legitimately bullied by strong Championship attackers and resorts to silly fouls to try to impose himself, and Cassetti's legs have gone - as soon as he is isolated against an attacker, you know he's in trouble. Hopefully Tommy Hoban will be a permanent fixture next year as he very rarely goes to ground and has yet to pick up a booking in his 25 first team appearances. Time for a back four with Hoban and Angella as the centre backs?[/p][/quote]With a strong centre half in between Angella and Hoban Man from Pinner
  • Score: 0

6:28pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Man from Pinner says...

DCB1 wrote:
It's so ridiculous that we have the highest number of yellow cards and third highest red cards but we are still so mentally weak! I could just about put up with such a high number of cards if it was because we bullied other teams and cynically closed games out but sadly we have become a petulant team who resort to silly fouls when things are going against us (which has been a lot this season!).

It's no surprise that Ekstrand and Cassetti are the main offenders. JE gets legitimately bullied by strong Championship attackers and resorts to silly fouls to try to impose himself, and Cassetti's legs have gone - as soon as he is isolated against an attacker, you know he's in trouble. Hopefully Tommy Hoban will be a permanent fixture next year as he very rarely goes to ground and has yet to pick up a booking in his 25 first team appearances. Time for a back four with Hoban and Angella as the centre backs?
With a strong centre half in between Angella and Hoban
[quote][p][bold]DCB1[/bold] wrote: It's so ridiculous that we have the highest number of yellow cards and third highest red cards but we are still so mentally weak! I could just about put up with such a high number of cards if it was because we bullied other teams and cynically closed games out but sadly we have become a petulant team who resort to silly fouls when things are going against us (which has been a lot this season!). It's no surprise that Ekstrand and Cassetti are the main offenders. JE gets legitimately bullied by strong Championship attackers and resorts to silly fouls to try to impose himself, and Cassetti's legs have gone - as soon as he is isolated against an attacker, you know he's in trouble. Hopefully Tommy Hoban will be a permanent fixture next year as he very rarely goes to ground and has yet to pick up a booking in his 25 first team appearances. Time for a back four with Hoban and Angella as the centre backs?[/p][/quote]With a strong centre half in between Angella and Hoban Man from Pinner
  • Score: 0

6:28pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Man from Pinner says...

DCB1 wrote:
It's so ridiculous that we have the highest number of yellow cards and third highest red cards but we are still so mentally weak! I could just about put up with such a high number of cards if it was because we bullied other teams and cynically closed games out but sadly we have become a petulant team who resort to silly fouls when things are going against us (which has been a lot this season!).

It's no surprise that Ekstrand and Cassetti are the main offenders. JE gets legitimately bullied by strong Championship attackers and resorts to silly fouls to try to impose himself, and Cassetti's legs have gone - as soon as he is isolated against an attacker, you know he's in trouble. Hopefully Tommy Hoban will be a permanent fixture next year as he very rarely goes to ground and has yet to pick up a booking in his 25 first team appearances. Time for a back four with Hoban and Angella as the centre backs?
With a strong centre half in between Angella and Hoban
[quote][p][bold]DCB1[/bold] wrote: It's so ridiculous that we have the highest number of yellow cards and third highest red cards but we are still so mentally weak! I could just about put up with such a high number of cards if it was because we bullied other teams and cynically closed games out but sadly we have become a petulant team who resort to silly fouls when things are going against us (which has been a lot this season!). It's no surprise that Ekstrand and Cassetti are the main offenders. JE gets legitimately bullied by strong Championship attackers and resorts to silly fouls to try to impose himself, and Cassetti's legs have gone - as soon as he is isolated against an attacker, you know he's in trouble. Hopefully Tommy Hoban will be a permanent fixture next year as he very rarely goes to ground and has yet to pick up a booking in his 25 first team appearances. Time for a back four with Hoban and Angella as the centre backs?[/p][/quote]With a strong centre half in between Angella and Hoban Man from Pinner
  • Score: -1

7:15pm Wed 30 Apr 14

allgood says...

Nani £240k pa? Please someone tell us that's wrong. Two seasons = £480k to achieve a lower finish than when he arrived. Great value!
Nani £240k pa? Please someone tell us that's wrong. Two seasons = £480k to achieve a lower finish than when he arrived. Great value! allgood
  • Score: 7

8:51pm Wed 30 Apr 14

cliff46 says...

jsjf1979 wrote:
KEEP

BOND
HOBAN
ANGELLA
DOYLEY
PUDIL
TOSZER
ABDI
MURRAY
ANYA
RANEGIE
MCGUGAN
FORESTIERI
BATTOCCHIO
FARAONI

LEAVING BUT SHOULD KEEP

DEENEY

TO BE MOVED ON

ALMUNIA
BELKALEM
EKSTRAND
MERKEL
HALL
CASSETTI
JENKINS
FABBRINI
IRINEY
NOSWORTHY

That would mean, unfortunately, yet ANOTHER season of rebuilding, albeit a completely necessary one. We need to sign:

EXPERIENCED GOALKEEPER
COMMANDING NO NONSENSE CB
RIGHT BACK
LEFT BACK
BALL WINNING MIDFIELDER WHO WILL ALLOW TOSZER AND ABDI TO PLAY AHEAD OF THEM
PACY STRIKER (VYDRA BACK!?)
ANOTHER FORWARD
2 X WIDE PLAYERS

This is the problem our recruitment policy has created. Each summer it is upheaval. We need to start building for long term - look at what continuity have done for Burnley and Leicester yet each season we find ourselves having to replace half of our squad....Nani, as head of recruitment, needs to go, in my opinion, it is not working at present.
I think I recall reading that Brown was given a two year contract. He has been at Carlisle for the last few months and I read a report about the recent Crawley 0-0 draw with Carlisle, apparently the Carlisle defence was over run and they could have lost 6-0 if Crawley had possessed a decent striker.
That suggests Brown should be added to the move out list.
[quote][p][bold]jsjf1979[/bold] wrote: KEEP BOND HOBAN ANGELLA DOYLEY PUDIL TOSZER ABDI MURRAY ANYA RANEGIE MCGUGAN FORESTIERI BATTOCCHIO FARAONI LEAVING BUT SHOULD KEEP DEENEY TO BE MOVED ON ALMUNIA BELKALEM EKSTRAND MERKEL HALL CASSETTI JENKINS FABBRINI IRINEY NOSWORTHY That would mean, unfortunately, yet ANOTHER season of rebuilding, albeit a completely necessary one. We need to sign: EXPERIENCED GOALKEEPER COMMANDING NO NONSENSE CB RIGHT BACK LEFT BACK BALL WINNING MIDFIELDER WHO WILL ALLOW TOSZER AND ABDI TO PLAY AHEAD OF THEM PACY STRIKER (VYDRA BACK!?) ANOTHER FORWARD 2 X WIDE PLAYERS This is the problem our recruitment policy has created. Each summer it is upheaval. We need to start building for long term - look at what continuity have done for Burnley and Leicester yet each season we find ourselves having to replace half of our squad....Nani, as head of recruitment, needs to go, in my opinion, it is not working at present.[/p][/quote]I think I recall reading that Brown was given a two year contract. He has been at Carlisle for the last few months and I read a report about the recent Crawley 0-0 draw with Carlisle, apparently the Carlisle defence was over run and they could have lost 6-0 if Crawley had possessed a decent striker. That suggests Brown should be added to the move out list. cliff46
  • Score: 0

9:11pm Wed 30 Apr 14

gloryhornet4 says...

longcliffe wrote:
I think you should stop deluding yourselves about Di Matteo and Malky.
Perhaps you should aim for Bassett, Wise, Hoofroyd or someone like this.

You had your chance last season and you blew it, perhaps you celebrated too much before the final.

You might be playing Luton sooner than you think.
True about Luton - good point - chance to put the Hatters out of the League Cup at the first hurdle.

Good luck with the brain transplant - long overdue.
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: I think you should stop deluding yourselves about Di Matteo and Malky. Perhaps you should aim for Bassett, Wise, Hoofroyd or someone like this. You had your chance last season and you blew it, perhaps you celebrated too much before the final. You might be playing Luton sooner than you think.[/p][/quote]True about Luton - good point - chance to put the Hatters out of the League Cup at the first hurdle. Good luck with the brain transplant - long overdue. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 5

9:17pm Wed 30 Apr 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

allgood wrote:
Nani £240k pa? Please someone tell us that's wrong. Two seasons = £480k to achieve a lower finish than when he arrived. Great value!
It is true. It's detailed in the club's accounts. Plus a % of transfer fees don't forget. Anyone think he's worth it?!
[quote][p][bold]allgood[/bold] wrote: Nani £240k pa? Please someone tell us that's wrong. Two seasons = £480k to achieve a lower finish than when he arrived. Great value![/p][/quote]It is true. It's detailed in the club's accounts. Plus a % of transfer fees don't forget. Anyone think he's worth it?! The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 0

11:09pm Wed 30 Apr 14

stiffler99 says...

Boosey wrote:
One word describes our supporters, fickle!
And many of them know "fick all" about football
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: One word describes our supporters, fickle![/p][/quote]And many of them know "fick all" about football stiffler99
  • Score: 3

11:30pm Wed 30 Apr 14

matey_from_brighton says...

The BestTrip2011 wrote:
allgood wrote:
Nani £240k pa? Please someone tell us that's wrong. Two seasons = £480k to achieve a lower finish than when he arrived. Great value!
It is true. It's detailed in the club's accounts. Plus a % of transfer fees don't forget. Anyone think he's worth it?!
no he's not worth it on the evidence this season.
Successes this season he can take credit for? - Angella, Toszer. Mcgugan(to a point) - likewise Ranegie
Failures - Iriney, Brown, Belkalem, Faraoni (for me anyhow), Park, Merkel, Fabbrini, Neil, Diakite, McEachran
..doesn't make great reading does it?
I don't see much evidence of us utilising the Pozzo model of finding good players and showing them off either as our most saleable assets are Deeney, Angella, Anya and Hoban of which 2 pre-date the Pozzo network.

Sounds gloomy but the Pozzos will be seeing this I am sure, so next season will be interesting off field as much as on field I think.
[quote][p][bold]The BestTrip2011[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allgood[/bold] wrote: Nani £240k pa? Please someone tell us that's wrong. Two seasons = £480k to achieve a lower finish than when he arrived. Great value![/p][/quote]It is true. It's detailed in the club's accounts. Plus a % of transfer fees don't forget. Anyone think he's worth it?![/p][/quote]no he's not worth it on the evidence this season. Successes this season he can take credit for? - Angella, Toszer. Mcgugan(to a point) - likewise Ranegie Failures - Iriney, Brown, Belkalem, Faraoni (for me anyhow), Park, Merkel, Fabbrini, Neil, Diakite, McEachran ..doesn't make great reading does it? I don't see much evidence of us utilising the Pozzo model of finding good players and showing them off either as our most saleable assets are Deeney, Angella, Anya and Hoban of which 2 pre-date the Pozzo network. Sounds gloomy but the Pozzos will be seeing this I am sure, so next season will be interesting off field as much as on field I think. matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 0

12:01am Thu 1 May 14

Woodley hornet says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
I've forgotten (again) but who had a big lump of money on us ending up in the Top 6 this season?
Lots of us me included bookies done well
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I've forgotten (again) but who had a big lump of money on us ending up in the Top 6 this season?[/p][/quote]Lots of us me included bookies done well Woodley hornet
  • Score: 0

12:07am Thu 1 May 14

Woodley hornet says...

longcliffe wrote:
I think you should stop deluding yourselves about Di Matteo and Malky.
Perhaps you should aim for Bassett, Wise, Hoofroyd or someone like this.

You had your chance last season and you blew it, perhaps you celebrated too much before the final.

You might be playing Luton sooner than you think.
Longcliffe a brainless trowel
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: I think you should stop deluding yourselves about Di Matteo and Malky. Perhaps you should aim for Bassett, Wise, Hoofroyd or someone like this. You had your chance last season and you blew it, perhaps you celebrated too much before the final. You might be playing Luton sooner than you think.[/p][/quote]Longcliffe a brainless trowel Woodley hornet
  • Score: 0

12:28am Thu 1 May 14

neil-bs says...

Boosey wrote:
One word describes our supporters, fickle!
I think the word you really need is 'stupid'.
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: One word describes our supporters, fickle![/p][/quote]I think the word you really need is 'stupid'. neil-bs
  • Score: 1

8:41am Thu 1 May 14

Andrew1963 says...

About this time last year, Leicester fans were calling for Nigel Pearson to be sacked. Huge budget, quality players under performing. They sneaked into play-offs on the last day. Nearly beat us in the semis. Spent the summer licking their wounds and ran way with the championship this year, despite the three relegated premiership clubs having huge parachute money to maintain their squads. Burnley had a non descript season, sold their top striker and came out at the start of the season like Usain Bolt. I wonder if constant change of manger and squad is always the best strategy. I suspect we will see changes, but they are not a guarantee of improvement.
About this time last year, Leicester fans were calling for Nigel Pearson to be sacked. Huge budget, quality players under performing. They sneaked into play-offs on the last day. Nearly beat us in the semis. Spent the summer licking their wounds and ran way with the championship this year, despite the three relegated premiership clubs having huge parachute money to maintain their squads. Burnley had a non descript season, sold their top striker and came out at the start of the season like Usain Bolt. I wonder if constant change of manger and squad is always the best strategy. I suspect we will see changes, but they are not a guarantee of improvement. Andrew1963
  • Score: 3

9:21am Thu 1 May 14

Harry's Bar says...

Willow23 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
I've forgotten (again) but who had a big lump of money on us ending up in the Top 6 this season?
That would be me! £800!! The worse thing about it has been the constant hope. Nah it's over oh no it ain't etc etc
Won't ever be doing that again
I remember thinking at the time that it.seemed like a good idea. As I found to my cost as well though, a reckless attitude to risk, with a high chance of losing every penny is probably not the way to go.
[quote][p][bold]Willow23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I've forgotten (again) but who had a big lump of money on us ending up in the Top 6 this season?[/p][/quote]That would be me! £800!! The worse thing about it has been the constant hope. Nah it's over oh no it ain't etc etc Won't ever be doing that again[/p][/quote]I remember thinking at the time that it.seemed like a good idea. As I found to my cost as well though, a reckless attitude to risk, with a high chance of losing every penny is probably not the way to go. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 0

11:18am Thu 1 May 14

longcliffe says...

Woodley hornet wrote:
longcliffe wrote: I think you should stop deluding yourselves about Di Matteo and Malky. Perhaps you should aim for Bassett, Wise, Hoofroyd or someone like this. You had your chance last season and you blew it, perhaps you celebrated too much before the final. You might be playing Luton sooner than you think.
Longcliffe a brainless trowel
Woodley hornet, can you actually put a sentence together?
[quote][p][bold]Woodley hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: I think you should stop deluding yourselves about Di Matteo and Malky. Perhaps you should aim for Bassett, Wise, Hoofroyd or someone like this. You had your chance last season and you blew it, perhaps you celebrated too much before the final. You might be playing Luton sooner than you think.[/p][/quote]Longcliffe a brainless trowel[/p][/quote]Woodley hornet, can you actually put a sentence together? longcliffe
  • Score: -1

2:08pm Sun 4 May 14

lutondown says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
Willow23 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
I've forgotten (again) but who had a big lump of money on us ending up in the Top 6 this season?
That would be me! £800!! The worse thing about it has been the constant hope. Nah it's over oh no it ain't etc etc
Won't ever be doing that again
I remember thinking at the time that it.seemed like a good idea. As I found to my cost as well though, a reckless attitude to risk, with a high chance of losing every penny is probably not the way to go.
Same as. That's my around the world cruise dream over ( would have netted 6k) so, Pontins it is....addy addy oh...Watford Fc we're the yellow bellied army
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willow23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I've forgotten (again) but who had a big lump of money on us ending up in the Top 6 this season?[/p][/quote]That would be me! £800!! The worse thing about it has been the constant hope. Nah it's over oh no it ain't etc etc Won't ever be doing that again[/p][/quote]I remember thinking at the time that it.seemed like a good idea. As I found to my cost as well though, a reckless attitude to risk, with a high chance of losing every penny is probably not the way to go.[/p][/quote]Same as. That's my around the world cruise dream over ( would have netted 6k) so, Pontins it is....addy addy oh...Watford Fc we're the yellow bellied army lutondown
  • Score: 0

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