A Watford perspective on Luton Town's return to the Football League

Lloyd Doyley and Ashley Young in action against Luton Town at Vicarage Road in 2006. Picture: Action Images

Lloyd Doyley and Ashley Young in action against Luton Town at Vicarage Road in 2006. Picture: Action Images

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Apparently I surprised a few people when I wrote a year or so back that I had been attracted to Manchester United as a teenager and become a follower rather than a fan. It was, and is, simply because I was excited by a succession of their players: Duncan Edwards, Bobby Charlton, Denis Law, George Best and on through Eric Cantona and Cristiano Ronaldo.

I also used to watch Spurs’ matches when the opportunity afforded itself in mid-week and I witnessed the double side – a vision that remains among my most precious football memories.

They did not diminish my enthusiasm for my home town and more importantly its club: Watford.

Make no mistake, when Stewart Scullion’s rasping shot found the net at Old Trafford in 1969, I had to try and contain my delight in line with objective pressbox decorum. It was not easy.

The foregoing is by way of establishing my credentials before you direct howls of mental derision towards me when you read the following sentence.

Luton Town won in mid-week, moved nearer to the Conference title and a return to the Football League looks increasingly likely [this was confirmed last night when Kidderminster beat Cambridge]: I was very pleased for them.

I’m pleased for the normal, everyday fans who inhabit Dunstable, Luton and other Bedfordshire outposts, who enjoy the game and are discomforted not only by their status in the football pyramid but the fact Watford are three promotions above them.

I’ve never believed that, in general, Luton fans wear their hair long in order to disguise their horns, and their passports contain the telling stamp: sub-human. But I would suggest they have same among their midst who one could describe as Mindless of Bedfordshire, whose brain to functioning-body ratio is akin to a two-stroke-engine in a 4x4.

I know we have the Brainless of Herts, who attach themselves to Watford on occasions, particularly during local derby games and I can understand the views embraced by the police and families, that they are glad the local derby games have been put on the back shelf by reason of Luton’s fall from somewhere short of grace.

I also suggest that my Watford credentials cannot be challenged: I was born within earshot of the sheep being driven down past Clements in the High Street. But because I am not a neanderthal, the like of whom threatened their own manager, Lennie Lawrence, around the time the fourth Watford goal hit the back of the net at Kenilworth Road, I can see derby games for what they should be.

I have had two acquaintances-cum-friends who are diehard Luton supporters. I mention the word “acquaintances” because I do appreciate that in order to be a true Watfordian, you risk having your qualification downgraded if you actually admit to having a Luton fan as a friend.

We would meet up and exchange banter and tease each other over our fortunes. On occasions they would visit Vicarage Road if a good game was in prospect and talk about it objectively and fairly.

Then, when the derby fixture came closer, they would lose that objectivity and mumble incoherently on what was about to happen. After the game was over, they would quibble, concede or rejoice, according to the result and the manner in which it was obtained.

Whatever had been removed, in the case of the football fans’ equivalent of a temporary lobotomy, would be returned to restore them to being able to embrace normal, erudite and objective discussion on the price of season tickets and the state of the game in general: until the next time.

They ‘hate’ Watford and I ‘hate’ Luton. It is a given, caused by an accident of birth and geography, which dictates our role playing and we enjoy it for what it is.

I look out for Watford’s, Burnley’s, Wolves’ and Bristol Rovers’ results every week with Sean Dyche, Kenny Jackett and John Ward in mind and, towards the end of the updates, I feel pleased if Luton have also won.

I feel totally at ease with my pro-Luton stance. Their current position and status is not the result of any failure on the pitch but because of Football League-imposed points deductions, which left them up the creek without the proverbial paddle. That was because of “financial irregularities” way beyond the control of Luton’s supporters or the players in the dressing room. The fans and club suffered and were punished: not those who transgressed.

It was as a result of the Football League not ensuring the right men are allowed to take over football clubs.

Happily we have seen the league block the attempted takeover of Leeds United but Luton and others could have done with such an intervention.

So I think it is great Luton look likely to be back where they belong, in the Football League. I will be very pleased for them. The average, every-day Luton fan did not deserve the demotion.

Of course, there will be those who say that it is immaterial they were deducted points; it is just great to see Luton down in the dirt.

Well you’ve all seen the recent headlines; you’ve all read not so long ago that Watford are owed a certain amount by their former owner. And we know that Lord Ashcroft, Graham Simpson and co, so wisely overturned the board’s recommendation to turn down Laurence Bassini’s bid to take control of the club, and duly handed him the reins.

When I look at the goings on at Vicarage Road in recent years and look at Luton’s penalty, I think of that old historical observation: There but for the grace of God, go I, or the biblical one about caring not for the mote in your brother’s eye.

Good luck Luton, I’m pleased for you, but, as I reach for the hat accorded me at birth, may you stay kicking about down the bottom of the Football League, where you belong.

This article was published in the Watford Observer on Friday, March 28.

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10:19am Wed 16 Apr 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

"Of course, there will be those who say that it is immaterial they were deducted points; it is just great to see Luton down in the dirt. "

Yep, that about sums it up for me.
Little has given me as much satisfaction as their playoff failures over recent years. Disappointed that they have made it back and that they will be in league in 2 seasons time. Horrible place and a horrible little club.
"Of course, there will be those who say that it is immaterial they were deducted points; it is just great to see Luton down in the dirt. " Yep, that about sums it up for me. Little has given me as much satisfaction as their playoff failures over recent years. Disappointed that they have made it back and that they will be in league in 2 seasons time. Horrible place and a horrible little club. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 37

10:21am Wed 16 Apr 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
"Of course, there will be those who say that it is immaterial they were deducted points; it is just great to see Luton down in the dirt. "

Yep, that about sums it up for me.
Little has given me as much satisfaction as their playoff failures over recent years. Disappointed that they have made it back and that they will be in league in 2 seasons time. Horrible place and a horrible little club.
Missed out the word "one". Should say "in league one in 2 seasons time"
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: "Of course, there will be those who say that it is immaterial they were deducted points; it is just great to see Luton down in the dirt. " Yep, that about sums it up for me. Little has given me as much satisfaction as their playoff failures over recent years. Disappointed that they have made it back and that they will be in league in 2 seasons time. Horrible place and a horrible little club.[/p][/quote]Missed out the word "one". Should say "in league one in 2 seasons time" Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 0

10:52am Wed 16 Apr 14

bigdave8 says...

Qpr are more of a local derby now aren't they? Because scum town are irrelevant . Well done to the scum bags as they need a bit of luck as they live in a truly awful town .horrible place (I would think this regardless of what football team I support). I also wish them the best of luck in finding a job in the near future as we are all bored of paying their benefits
Qpr are more of a local derby now aren't they? Because scum town are irrelevant . Well done to the scum bags as they need a bit of luck as they live in a truly awful town .horrible place (I would think this regardless of what football team I support). I also wish them the best of luck in finding a job in the near future as we are all bored of paying their benefits bigdave8
  • Score: -7

10:54am Wed 16 Apr 14

MainStandShambles says...

How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again.

Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas!

As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it.

I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again.

Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again.
How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again. Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas! As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it. I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again. Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again. MainStandShambles
  • Score: 25

10:57am Wed 16 Apr 14

longcliffe says...

You'll be playing them very soon.
You'll be playing them very soon. longcliffe
  • Score: -57

11:44am Wed 16 Apr 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

Why is it that you are all coming out of the woodwork now? Been very quiet for the last 6 years or so!!!

And by the way, 2 more points to make:

The management of your club that got you into this mess was an absolute shambles. Remember Gurney etc.....

The gap that now exists between the top 35 clubs of which Watford is one, and the rest is much bigger than it used to be. I heard supporters on the radio this morning saying next step is Premier League for Luton. Get real. Well it is much harder than that and will need some huge financing. With a maximum gate of around 10,000 you will struggle to catch teams up in the Championship let alone the Premiership. There are big and established clubs in the championship now and you will not at the moment anyhow have the financial clout to claw that back.

Enjoy your time now, but it ain't gonna get easier mate.
Why is it that you are all coming out of the woodwork now? Been very quiet for the last 6 years or so!!! And by the way, 2 more points to make: The management of your club that got you into this mess was an absolute shambles. Remember Gurney etc..... The gap that now exists between the top 35 clubs of which Watford is one, and the rest is much bigger than it used to be. I heard supporters on the radio this morning saying next step is Premier League for Luton. Get real. Well it is much harder than that and will need some huge financing. With a maximum gate of around 10,000 you will struggle to catch teams up in the Championship let alone the Premiership. There are big and established clubs in the championship now and you will not at the moment anyhow have the financial clout to claw that back. Enjoy your time now, but it ain't gonna get easier mate. Goldenboy1960
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11:47am Wed 16 Apr 14

HornetJJ says...

bigdave8 wrote:
Qpr are more of a local derby now aren't they? Because scum town are irrelevant . Well done to the scum bags as they need a bit of luck as they live in a truly awful town .horrible place (I would think this regardless of what football team I support). I also wish them the best of luck in finding a job in the near future as we are all bored of paying their benefits
I agree. QPR are our most local rivals anyway and we are in the same division!
[quote][p][bold]bigdave8[/bold] wrote: Qpr are more of a local derby now aren't they? Because scum town are irrelevant . Well done to the scum bags as they need a bit of luck as they live in a truly awful town .horrible place (I would think this regardless of what football team I support). I also wish them the best of luck in finding a job in the near future as we are all bored of paying their benefits[/p][/quote]I agree. QPR are our most local rivals anyway and we are in the same division! HornetJJ
  • Score: 5

11:50am Wed 16 Apr 14

Bush Hornet says...

MainStandShambles wrote:
How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again.

Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas!

As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it.

I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again.

Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again.
That's a bit fawning and sad.

Most Watford fans would be happy for Luton to be in the league. If we continue to see them as our main rival, and if people will insist on singing about shooting Luton scum, then they might at least be a league club.
[quote][p][bold]MainStandShambles[/bold] wrote: How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again. Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas! As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it. I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again. Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again.[/p][/quote]That's a bit fawning and sad. Most Watford fans would be happy for Luton to be in the league. If we continue to see them as our main rival, and if people will insist on singing about shooting Luton scum, then they might at least be a league club. Bush Hornet
  • Score: 8

11:53am Wed 16 Apr 14

Bush Hornet says...

HornetJJ wrote:
bigdave8 wrote:
Qpr are more of a local derby now aren't they? Because scum town are irrelevant . Well done to the scum bags as they need a bit of luck as they live in a truly awful town .horrible place (I would think this regardless of what football team I support). I also wish them the best of luck in finding a job in the near future as we are all bored of paying their benefits
I agree. QPR are our most local rivals anyway and we are in the same division!
You may see QPR as our main local rivals but they will always see Chelsea as theirs. At least that shows a bit of ambition on their part.
[quote][p][bold]HornetJJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigdave8[/bold] wrote: Qpr are more of a local derby now aren't they? Because scum town are irrelevant . Well done to the scum bags as they need a bit of luck as they live in a truly awful town .horrible place (I would think this regardless of what football team I support). I also wish them the best of luck in finding a job in the near future as we are all bored of paying their benefits[/p][/quote]I agree. QPR are our most local rivals anyway and we are in the same division![/p][/quote]You may see QPR as our main local rivals but they will always see Chelsea as theirs. At least that shows a bit of ambition on their part. Bush Hornet
  • Score: 12

12:28pm Wed 16 Apr 14

ramage1996 says...

I hate Luton and I hate they kept repeatedly went into administration to cheat people out of money (3 times in 9 years wasn't it?), and that isn't including them getting done for illegal dodgy payments to agents.

The tone of this article is a bit arrogant.
I hate Luton and I hate they kept repeatedly went into administration to cheat people out of money (3 times in 9 years wasn't it?), and that isn't including them getting done for illegal dodgy payments to agents. The tone of this article is a bit arrogant. ramage1996
  • Score: 23

12:32pm Wed 16 Apr 14

ramage1996 says...

MainStandShambles wrote:
How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again.

Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas!

As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it.

I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again.

Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again.
I find Frank Smith far more insightful than Oliver Phillips.
[quote][p][bold]MainStandShambles[/bold] wrote: How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again. Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas! As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it. I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again. Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again.[/p][/quote]I find Frank Smith far more insightful than Oliver Phillips. ramage1996
  • Score: 18

12:35pm Wed 16 Apr 14

demerit says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
"Of course, there will be those who say that it is immaterial they were deducted points; it is just great to see Luton down in the dirt. "

Yep, that about sums it up for me.
Little has given me as much satisfaction as their playoff failures over recent years. Disappointed that they have made it back and that they will be in league in 2 seasons time. Horrible place and a horrible little club.
Yep, agree with most of that but repeating my earlier post, although it's given us a nice warm feeling knowing they're wandering around outside the kitchen door looking for scraps while we're fine dining in the restaurant, in some ways I'm glad. It's part of being a football fan to have a credible rival. Well, "credible" is of course a matter of opinion. But for the last 5 years it's been like having a grudge against Croxley Casuals or whoever.
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: "Of course, there will be those who say that it is immaterial they were deducted points; it is just great to see Luton down in the dirt. " Yep, that about sums it up for me. Little has given me as much satisfaction as their playoff failures over recent years. Disappointed that they have made it back and that they will be in league in 2 seasons time. Horrible place and a horrible little club.[/p][/quote]Yep, agree with most of that but repeating my earlier post, although it's given us a nice warm feeling knowing they're wandering around outside the kitchen door looking for scraps while we're fine dining in the restaurant, in some ways I'm glad. It's part of being a football fan to have a credible rival. Well, "credible" is of course a matter of opinion. But for the last 5 years it's been like having a grudge against Croxley Casuals or whoever. demerit
  • Score: 5

12:42pm Wed 16 Apr 14

llloydwithathirdl says...

I hope they go back down again.
I hope they go back down again. llloydwithathirdl
  • Score: 41

12:44pm Wed 16 Apr 14

harrowboy says...

MainStandShambles wrote:
How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again.

Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas!

As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it.

I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again.

Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again.
Agree 100% with the above post. Let's have more articles from the great Ollie.
[quote][p][bold]MainStandShambles[/bold] wrote: How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again. Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas! As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it. I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again. Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again.[/p][/quote]Agree 100% with the above post. Let's have more articles from the great Ollie. harrowboy
  • Score: -5

12:51pm Wed 16 Apr 14

harrowboy says...

ramage1996 wrote:
MainStandShambles wrote:
How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again.

Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas!

As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it.

I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again.

Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again.
I find Frank Smith far more insightful than Oliver Phillips.
Are you sure?!! Ollie is from the old school of local journalists who actually checked his facts before going into print, and maintained relationships with people to ensure what he was writing was factually correct. I stopped buying the WO the day Ollie retired.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MainStandShambles[/bold] wrote: How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again. Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas! As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it. I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again. Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again.[/p][/quote]I find Frank Smith far more insightful than Oliver Phillips.[/p][/quote]Are you sure?!! Ollie is from the old school of local journalists who actually checked his facts before going into print, and maintained relationships with people to ensure what he was writing was factually correct. I stopped buying the WO the day Ollie retired. harrowboy
  • Score: 0

12:57pm Wed 16 Apr 14

ramage1996 says...

harrowboy wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
MainStandShambles wrote:
How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again.

Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas!

As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it.

I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again.

Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again.
I find Frank Smith far more insightful than Oliver Phillips.
Are you sure?!! Ollie is from the old school of local journalists who actually checked his facts before going into print, and maintained relationships with people to ensure what he was writing was factually correct. I stopped buying the WO the day Ollie retired.
Well they will get in advertising from you clicking on these pages than you buying their paper once a week mate so im sure they aint that bothered.
[quote][p][bold]harrowboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MainStandShambles[/bold] wrote: How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again. Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas! As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it. I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again. Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again.[/p][/quote]I find Frank Smith far more insightful than Oliver Phillips.[/p][/quote]Are you sure?!! Ollie is from the old school of local journalists who actually checked his facts before going into print, and maintained relationships with people to ensure what he was writing was factually correct. I stopped buying the WO the day Ollie retired.[/p][/quote]Well they will get in advertising from you clicking on these pages than you buying their paper once a week mate so im sure they aint that bothered. ramage1996
  • Score: 12

1:24pm Wed 16 Apr 14

gloryhornet4 says...

longcliffe wrote:
You'll be playing them very soon.
Having this week learned that a ladies bits has been grown in a lab, maybe there is hope you can grow a brain.
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: You'll be playing them very soon.[/p][/quote]Having this week learned that a ladies bits has been grown in a lab, maybe there is hope you can grow a brain. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 13

1:29pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Meadey39 says...

Not sure why we are bothered by the team I won't mention from the county I can't mention. They have not been our rivals for such a long time. The rivalry died out after the Taylor- Pleat era. QPR are our biggest rivals now, we shouldn't worry about a little team from an irrelevant place. They will do well to get back to the Championship within 5 years.
Not sure why we are bothered by the team I won't mention from the county I can't mention. They have not been our rivals for such a long time. The rivalry died out after the Taylor- Pleat era. QPR are our biggest rivals now, we shouldn't worry about a little team from an irrelevant place. They will do well to get back to the Championship within 5 years. Meadey39
  • Score: -6

1:30pm Wed 16 Apr 14

gloryhornet4 says...

Bush Hornet wrote:
HornetJJ wrote:
bigdave8 wrote:
Qpr are more of a local derby now aren't they? Because scum town are irrelevant . Well done to the scum bags as they need a bit of luck as they live in a truly awful town .horrible place (I would think this regardless of what football team I support). I also wish them the best of luck in finding a job in the near future as we are all bored of paying their benefits
I agree. QPR are our most local rivals anyway and we are in the same division!
You may see QPR as our main local rivals but they will always see Chelsea as theirs. At least that shows a bit of ambition on their part.
Can't think why as Chelsea should see Fulham as their local rivals and QPR Brentford as rivalry is about taking away local support.

QPR and Chelsea - wishing thinking from the stoney broke Loftus Road outfit Be playing Luton before long if the fair play rules mean anything.
[quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HornetJJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigdave8[/bold] wrote: Qpr are more of a local derby now aren't they? Because scum town are irrelevant . Well done to the scum bags as they need a bit of luck as they live in a truly awful town .horrible place (I would think this regardless of what football team I support). I also wish them the best of luck in finding a job in the near future as we are all bored of paying their benefits[/p][/quote]I agree. QPR are our most local rivals anyway and we are in the same division![/p][/quote]You may see QPR as our main local rivals but they will always see Chelsea as theirs. At least that shows a bit of ambition on their part.[/p][/quote]Can't think why as Chelsea should see Fulham as their local rivals and QPR Brentford as rivalry is about taking away local support. QPR and Chelsea - wishing thinking from the stoney broke Loftus Road outfit Be playing Luton before long if the fair play rules mean anything. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 6

1:32pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Ramageland says...

Interesting article but I cannot help wishing nothing but misery on l*t*n. No idea why they got so much sympathy from the media after all their cheating. I would normally support any club faced with adversity as I think that they should be subject to some degree of protection from dodgy owners - there but for the grace of god and all that! However, when it comes to l*t*n, I hope the nasty cheating little club keeps getting relegated and then goes bust.
Interesting article but I cannot help wishing nothing but misery on l*t*n. No idea why they got so much sympathy from the media after all their cheating. I would normally support any club faced with adversity as I think that they should be subject to some degree of protection from dodgy owners - there but for the grace of god and all that! However, when it comes to l*t*n, I hope the nasty cheating little club keeps getting relegated and then goes bust. Ramageland
  • Score: 15

1:51pm Wed 16 Apr 14

neilhorn says...

I'd quite like to play them again, can't see them getting up the Championship but a up tie would be ok. They ARE our local rivals, not QPR. Watford v Luton is a proper derby and you can't manufacture that. Still remember us going 4-0 in the 1st half at their place and their fans where trying to get into the dugout - to lynch their OWN manager - priceless
I'd quite like to play them again, can't see them getting up the Championship but a up tie would be ok. They ARE our local rivals, not QPR. Watford v Luton is a proper derby and you can't manufacture that. Still remember us going 4-0 in the 1st half at their place and their fans where trying to get into the dugout - to lynch their OWN manager - priceless neilhorn
  • Score: 21

1:53pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Harry's Bar says...

harrowboy wrote:
MainStandShambles wrote:
How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again.

Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas!

As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it.

I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again.

Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again.
Agree 100% with the above post. Let's have more articles from the great Ollie.
Let's not.

Too self important, too many opinions and too much banging on about the past... and too Luton loving by far. He should stick to cycling around wearing a beret with a string of onions round his neck, singing Edith Piaf songs.
[quote][p][bold]harrowboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MainStandShambles[/bold] wrote: How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again. Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas! As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it. I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again. Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again.[/p][/quote]Agree 100% with the above post. Let's have more articles from the great Ollie.[/p][/quote]Let's not. Too self important, too many opinions and too much banging on about the past... and too Luton loving by far. He should stick to cycling around wearing a beret with a string of onions round his neck, singing Edith Piaf songs. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 7

2:27pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Hairy Hornet says...

Ramageland wrote:
Interesting article but I cannot help wishing nothing but misery on l*t*n. No idea why they got so much sympathy from the media after all their cheating. I would normally support any club faced with adversity as I think that they should be subject to some degree of protection from dodgy owners - there but for the grace of god and all that! However, when it comes to l*t*n, I hope the nasty cheating little club keeps getting relegated and then goes bust.
Couldnt agree more, well said M8.
[quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: Interesting article but I cannot help wishing nothing but misery on l*t*n. No idea why they got so much sympathy from the media after all their cheating. I would normally support any club faced with adversity as I think that they should be subject to some degree of protection from dodgy owners - there but for the grace of god and all that! However, when it comes to l*t*n, I hope the nasty cheating little club keeps getting relegated and then goes bust.[/p][/quote]Couldnt agree more, well said M8. Hairy Hornet
  • Score: 19

2:34pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Kismet110 says...

QPR our rivals? Er, no. It's not just about geography you know, ask Palace/Brighton.

We only have one true rival, they know it and so do Watford supporters with memory spans beyond that of a goldfish.

The only crumb of happiness I get from their promotion is it doubles the chance of meeting them in a Cup game next season.

I cannot wait to beat them again.
QPR our rivals? Er, no. It's not just about geography you know, ask Palace/Brighton. We only have one true rival, they know it and so do Watford supporters with memory spans beyond that of a goldfish. The only crumb of happiness I get from their promotion is it doubles the chance of meeting them in a Cup game next season. I cannot wait to beat them again. Kismet110
  • Score: 17

3:11pm Wed 16 Apr 14

bigdave8 says...

Ha ha gets you boys talking . No interest in qpr expect beating them on Monday !! Scum town will be our one and only rivals I have complete hatred for . Hate the team, town , and inbred fans. Two wins this weekend .... COYH
Ha ha gets you boys talking . No interest in qpr expect beating them on Monday !! Scum town will be our one and only rivals I have complete hatred for . Hate the team, town , and inbred fans. Two wins this weekend .... COYH bigdave8
  • Score: 14

3:13pm Wed 16 Apr 14

smalon says...

Sorry but I hate Lut*n with all my heart and their scum supporters even more.
I hope they get relegated next season back into the obscurity where they belong.
Watford till I die!
Sorry but I hate Lut*n with all my heart and their scum supporters even more. I hope they get relegated next season back into the obscurity where they belong. Watford till I die! smalon
  • Score: 14

3:25pm Wed 16 Apr 14

ramage1996 says...

smalon wrote:
Sorry but I hate Lut*n with all my heart and their scum supporters even more.
I hope they get relegated next season back into the obscurity where they belong.
Watford till I die!
Maybe the WO should ask a proper fan to write an article rather than the likes of Oliver Phillips who as he admits above prefers Man Utd.

Someone who actually understands the hate and bitterness there is between the two sets of fans.

Maybe someone who knows about when we took their circle, when we met them at Bushey Arches, when we chased them back from the ground to Watford Junction when they turned up after the Tranmere game and they cried behind the Police?
[quote][p][bold]smalon[/bold] wrote: Sorry but I hate Lut*n with all my heart and their scum supporters even more. I hope they get relegated next season back into the obscurity where they belong. Watford till I die![/p][/quote]Maybe the WO should ask a proper fan to write an article rather than the likes of Oliver Phillips who as he admits above prefers Man Utd. Someone who actually understands the hate and bitterness there is between the two sets of fans. Maybe someone who knows about when we took their circle, when we met them at Bushey Arches, when we chased them back from the ground to Watford Junction when they turned up after the Tranmere game and they cried behind the Police? ramage1996
  • Score: 6

3:32pm Wed 16 Apr 14

allgood says...

Why would we want to be rivals with minnows like Luton? It's far more important to their fans than us but it always is to fans of the smaller club.
They are now dreaming of drawing us in the cup.
Why would we want to be rivals with minnows like Luton? It's far more important to their fans than us but it always is to fans of the smaller club. They are now dreaming of drawing us in the cup. allgood
  • Score: -2

3:43pm Wed 16 Apr 14

ramage1996 says...

allgood wrote:
Why would we want to be rivals with minnows like Luton? It's far more important to their fans than us but it always is to fans of the smaller club.
They are now dreaming of drawing us in the cup.
I would say we are a club of the same size, they have won the more games between us and have won a major trophy.
I would say overall we are a similar size club.
[quote][p][bold]allgood[/bold] wrote: Why would we want to be rivals with minnows like Luton? It's far more important to their fans than us but it always is to fans of the smaller club. They are now dreaming of drawing us in the cup.[/p][/quote]I would say we are a club of the same size, they have won the more games between us and have won a major trophy. I would say overall we are a similar size club. ramage1996
  • Score: 4

3:55pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Paul Gadd says...

Sorry Ollie, no joy from me on the return of the scum to the FL- they have no right to be there, I mean Cambridge United should be renamed Cambridge Useless.
The sooner Dotty puts statues of Baron Brian Stanley Mahwinney & Lennie Lawrence in the Parade, the better IMHO
COYH!!!
Sorry Ollie, no joy from me on the return of the scum to the FL- they have no right to be there, I mean Cambridge United should be renamed Cambridge Useless. The sooner Dotty puts statues of Baron Brian Stanley Mahwinney & Lennie Lawrence in the Parade, the better IMHO COYH!!! Paul Gadd
  • Score: 3

3:59pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Burnley59/60 says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
"Of course, there will be those who say that it is immaterial they were deducted points; it is just great to see Luton down in the dirt. "

Yep, that about sums it up for me.
Little has given me as much satisfaction as their playoff failures over recent years. Disappointed that they have made it back and that they will be in league in 2 seasons time. Horrible place and a horrible little club.
I well remember living in Houghton Regis as a Burnley Fan and reading the local Luton Rag :" Today Luton take on the once mighty Burnley'Well thanks to your former Manager The Clarets Are Mighty Once More,watford have always been a better club,Id love to speak to The Luton fans That Taunted us and the idiot that wrote the piece in the Luton Leader,how arrogent they were unlike the hornets and their fans who are a good bunch of lads Thank you for The Ginger One He Is The Greatest Manager Since Harry Potrts,and his clarets were Champions Of England !!!
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: "Of course, there will be those who say that it is immaterial they were deducted points; it is just great to see Luton down in the dirt. " Yep, that about sums it up for me. Little has given me as much satisfaction as their playoff failures over recent years. Disappointed that they have made it back and that they will be in league in 2 seasons time. Horrible place and a horrible little club.[/p][/quote]I well remember living in Houghton Regis as a Burnley Fan and reading the local Luton Rag :" Today Luton take on the once mighty Burnley'Well thanks to your former Manager The Clarets Are Mighty Once More,watford have always been a better club,Id love to speak to The Luton fans That Taunted us and the idiot that wrote the piece in the Luton Leader,how arrogent they were unlike the hornets and their fans who are a good bunch of lads Thank you for The Ginger One He Is The Greatest Manager Since Harry Potrts,and his clarets were Champions Of England !!! Burnley59/60
  • Score: 26

4:15pm Wed 16 Apr 14

craig239 says...

I can't believe any Watford fan would want to see this c**p club back in the same league as us. Some of their supporters are true scum. Do we forget the scenes of the cup game when they attacked the lower rous scaring kids into panic.
Hope they and the morons who support such a badly run club, disappear into obscurity .
I can't believe any Watford fan would want to see this c**p club back in the same league as us. Some of their supporters are true scum. Do we forget the scenes of the cup game when they attacked the lower rous scaring kids into panic. Hope they and the morons who support such a badly run club, disappear into obscurity . craig239
  • Score: 19

4:27pm Wed 16 Apr 14

longcliffe says...

gloryhornet4 wrote:
longcliffe wrote: You'll be playing them very soon.
Having this week learned that a ladies bits has been grown in a lab, maybe there is hope you can grow a brain.
Is that the best you can come up with?
[quote][p][bold]gloryhornet4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: You'll be playing them very soon.[/p][/quote]Having this week learned that a ladies bits has been grown in a lab, maybe there is hope you can grow a brain.[/p][/quote]Is that the best you can come up with? longcliffe
  • Score: -9

4:49pm Wed 16 Apr 14

andyhooked says...

I do not care what others think about us possibly of playing the scum. I would be delighted if they stayed where they are or even go down the leagues or go out of business. Last time I went to Bedfordshire I saw young families being attacked and remeber what happened when we last played them at home!! Now I have to live with it that their moron fans are back in the FL. "Like it I do not" to use an old GT comment.
I do not care what others think about us possibly of playing the scum. I would be delighted if they stayed where they are or even go down the leagues or go out of business. Last time I went to Bedfordshire I saw young families being attacked and remeber what happened when we last played them at home!! Now I have to live with it that their moron fans are back in the FL. "Like it I do not" to use an old GT comment. andyhooked
  • Score: 7

4:50pm Wed 16 Apr 14

bushey tales says...

I'm right up for recognising the achievements of those - like Jackett, Dyche and Co - who left through no fault of their own, have moved on and done well, but it's impossible to find the admiration or affection and put Luton Town anywhere near that bracket. My first trip was in 63/4 when we lost 2-1 and stayed down. It was a deeply unpleasant experience, although the real hatred didn't kick off until some very nasty incidents surrounding the 68/9 games. Since then, fixtures with Luton have simply been events to endure, because of the behaviour of their fans. They've consistently had better managers than they've deserved, but I for one hope we never play them again.
I'm right up for recognising the achievements of those - like Jackett, Dyche and Co - who left through no fault of their own, have moved on and done well, but it's impossible to find the admiration or affection and put Luton Town anywhere near that bracket. My first trip was in 63/4 when we lost 2-1 and stayed down. It was a deeply unpleasant experience, although the real hatred didn't kick off until some very nasty incidents surrounding the 68/9 games. Since then, fixtures with Luton have simply been events to endure, because of the behaviour of their fans. They've consistently had better managers than they've deserved, but I for one hope we never play them again. bushey tales
  • Score: 12

4:57pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

Burnley59/60 wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
"Of course, there will be those who say that it is immaterial they were deducted points; it is just great to see Luton down in the dirt. "

Yep, that about sums it up for me.
Little has given me as much satisfaction as their playoff failures over recent years. Disappointed that they have made it back and that they will be in league in 2 seasons time. Horrible place and a horrible little club.
I well remember living in Houghton Regis as a Burnley Fan and reading the local Luton Rag :" Today Luton take on the once mighty Burnley'Well thanks to your former Manager The Clarets Are Mighty Once More,watford have always been a better club,Id love to speak to The Luton fans That Taunted us and the idiot that wrote the piece in the Luton Leader,how arrogent they were unlike the hornets and their fans who are a good bunch of lads Thank you for The Ginger One He Is The Greatest Manager Since Harry Potrts,and his clarets were Champions Of England !!!
SD was a born leader on the pitch wherever he played, and now a superb leader off it. Good man too - did you see the clip where he took the journalists phone after it rang ?? Hope he manages to keep you up this time next year.
[quote][p][bold]Burnley59/60[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: "Of course, there will be those who say that it is immaterial they were deducted points; it is just great to see Luton down in the dirt. " Yep, that about sums it up for me. Little has given me as much satisfaction as their playoff failures over recent years. Disappointed that they have made it back and that they will be in league in 2 seasons time. Horrible place and a horrible little club.[/p][/quote]I well remember living in Houghton Regis as a Burnley Fan and reading the local Luton Rag :" Today Luton take on the once mighty Burnley'Well thanks to your former Manager The Clarets Are Mighty Once More,watford have always been a better club,Id love to speak to The Luton fans That Taunted us and the idiot that wrote the piece in the Luton Leader,how arrogent they were unlike the hornets and their fans who are a good bunch of lads Thank you for The Ginger One He Is The Greatest Manager Since Harry Potrts,and his clarets were Champions Of England !!![/p][/quote]SD was a born leader on the pitch wherever he played, and now a superb leader off it. Good man too - did you see the clip where he took the journalists phone after it rang ?? Hope he manages to keep you up this time next year. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 13

5:00pm Wed 16 Apr 14

tommy gunn says...

I well remember the days Luton were a top team with the likes of Syd Owen, Gordon Turner, Bob Morton, Ron Baynham in the old 1st Division and we were a 4th Division side . Can you imagine 26,000 packed into Kenilworth road .I must admit when the blues, as they were then, were away I used to go to Luton to watch Stanley Matthews, Tom Finney and Len Shackleton when their teams were in action . It was so different watching those games,, not caring who won compared to the matches at the Vic. when a Watford loss brought tears to a young boys eyes oh nostalgia . How the fortunes of both teams have changed .
I well remember the days Luton were a top team with the likes of Syd Owen, Gordon Turner, Bob Morton, Ron Baynham in the old 1st Division and we were a 4th Division side . Can you imagine 26,000 packed into Kenilworth road .I must admit when the blues, as they were then, were away I used to go to Luton to watch Stanley Matthews, Tom Finney and Len Shackleton when their teams were in action . It was so different watching those games,, not caring who won compared to the matches at the Vic. when a Watford loss brought tears to a young boys eyes oh nostalgia . How the fortunes of both teams have changed . tommy gunn
  • Score: 11

5:13pm Wed 16 Apr 14

bushey tales says...

Seeing that Tommy Gunn piece (marvellous there are Horns even older than me on here) made me recall the 68/9 game over there when Tom Walley was one of three sent off, effectively for allowing himself to be strangled by Alan Slough, in one of the most atmospheric encounters I've ever witnessed. I've not looked it up but I'm pretty sure the crowd that night was also over 25,000. Same ground - how on earth did they squeeze that many in?
Seeing that Tommy Gunn piece (marvellous there are Horns even older than me on here) made me recall the 68/9 game over there when Tom Walley was one of three sent off, effectively for allowing himself to be strangled by Alan Slough, in one of the most atmospheric encounters I've ever witnessed. I've not looked it up but I'm pretty sure the crowd that night was also over 25,000. Same ground - how on earth did they squeeze that many in? bushey tales
  • Score: 4

5:16pm Wed 16 Apr 14

exeterhornet says...

I loathe everything to do with that god awful town, particularly the football club. Apart from the obvious historical fracas which has been well documented, on a personal note certain of their 'gentlemen' called my 4 year old daughter a whore prior to a pre season friendly against Exeter City, Sadly, over the many times I have witnessed their fans, at both watford and other matches, that type of behaviour reflects the mentality of the vast majority of their fans. Absolute pond life the lot of them and I hope we get them in the League Cup and slaughter them.
I loathe everything to do with that god awful town, particularly the football club. Apart from the obvious historical fracas which has been well documented, on a personal note certain of their 'gentlemen' called my 4 year old daughter a whore prior to a pre season friendly against Exeter City, Sadly, over the many times I have witnessed their fans, at both watford and other matches, that type of behaviour reflects the mentality of the vast majority of their fans. Absolute pond life the lot of them and I hope we get them in the League Cup and slaughter them. exeterhornet
  • Score: 14

5:19pm Wed 16 Apr 14

allgood says...

ramage1996 wrote:
allgood wrote:
Why would we want to be rivals with minnows like Luton? It's far more important to their fans than us but it always is to fans of the smaller club.
They are now dreaming of drawing us in the cup.
I would say we are a club of the same size, they have won the more games between us and have won a major trophy.
I would say overall we are a similar size club.
Have a look at their crowd figures. A town twice the size of Watford with a club getting half the attendances and that includes the last time we were at the same level 2005 / 06.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allgood[/bold] wrote: Why would we want to be rivals with minnows like Luton? It's far more important to their fans than us but it always is to fans of the smaller club. They are now dreaming of drawing us in the cup.[/p][/quote]I would say we are a club of the same size, they have won the more games between us and have won a major trophy. I would say overall we are a similar size club.[/p][/quote]Have a look at their crowd figures. A town twice the size of Watford with a club getting half the attendances and that includes the last time we were at the same level 2005 / 06. allgood
  • Score: 2

6:04pm Wed 16 Apr 14

ramage1996 says...

allgood wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
allgood wrote:
Why would we want to be rivals with minnows like Luton? It's far more important to their fans than us but it always is to fans of the smaller club.
They are now dreaming of drawing us in the cup.
I would say we are a club of the same size, they have won the more games between us and have won a major trophy.
I would say overall we are a similar size club.
Have a look at their crowd figures. A town twice the size of Watford with a club getting half the attendances and that includes the last time we were at the same level 2005 / 06.
I think if Luton were in our situation with a similar size stadium they would get crowds sour size, if we were in their current situation in the non leagues we would have crowds about the same..
[quote][p][bold]allgood[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allgood[/bold] wrote: Why would we want to be rivals with minnows like Luton? It's far more important to their fans than us but it always is to fans of the smaller club. They are now dreaming of drawing us in the cup.[/p][/quote]I would say we are a club of the same size, they have won the more games between us and have won a major trophy. I would say overall we are a similar size club.[/p][/quote]Have a look at their crowd figures. A town twice the size of Watford with a club getting half the attendances and that includes the last time we were at the same level 2005 / 06.[/p][/quote]I think if Luton were in our situation with a similar size stadium they would get crowds sour size, if we were in their current situation in the non leagues we would have crowds about the same.. ramage1996
  • Score: 5

6:39pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Drewoneone says...

I went to L***n v The Hornets in a league cup game in 1968 (we lost 0-3 to the sc*m) when I was very young. It might have been my 2nd or third ever visit to a Football League ground. My uncle took me as he was a L****n supporter. I had started going to Watford games with my Dad but wasn't committed to supporting anyone in particular at that point. But,even my uncle was shocked at the hatred and sheer obscenities that came from the Oak Road end that day. The feeling of "these people are low lifes" even at that tender age has stayed with me forever. From that moment onwards Watford would be the club I would follow.

For about four years I went to a school on the Bucks/Beds border where most of the kids were L***n supporters and made my life hell - but I always wore a yellow shirt with a hornet badge on it for PE and football practice to wind them up, which didn't take much.

I wish L****n nothing but bad luck and a rapid return to non-league obscurity and hopefully bankruptcy.
I went to L***n v The Hornets in a league cup game in 1968 (we lost 0-3 to the sc*m) when I was very young. It might have been my 2nd or third ever visit to a Football League ground. My uncle took me as he was a L****n supporter. I had started going to Watford games with my Dad but wasn't committed to supporting anyone in particular at that point. But,even my uncle was shocked at the hatred and sheer obscenities that came from the Oak Road end that day. The feeling of "these people are low lifes" even at that tender age has stayed with me forever. From that moment onwards Watford would be the club I would follow. For about four years I went to a school on the Bucks/Beds border where most of the kids were L***n supporters and made my life hell - but I always wore a yellow shirt with a hornet badge on it for PE and football practice to wind them up, which didn't take much. I wish L****n nothing but bad luck and a rapid return to non-league obscurity and hopefully bankruptcy. Drewoneone
  • Score: 19

9:04pm Wed 16 Apr 14

allgood says...

ramage1996 wrote:
allgood wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
allgood wrote:
Why would we want to be rivals with minnows like Luton? It's far more important to their fans than us but it always is to fans of the smaller club.
They are now dreaming of drawing us in the cup.
I would say we are a club of the same size, they have won the more games between us and have won a major trophy.
I would say overall we are a similar size club.
Have a look at their crowd figures. A town twice the size of Watford with a club getting half the attendances and that includes the last time we were at the same level 2005 / 06.
I think if Luton were in our situation with a similar size stadium they would get crowds sour size, if we were in their current situation in the non leagues we would have crowds about the same..
They have always had smaller crowds. Last time they were in the championship they couldn't fill their 10,000 capacity stadium.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allgood[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allgood[/bold] wrote: Why would we want to be rivals with minnows like Luton? It's far more important to their fans than us but it always is to fans of the smaller club. They are now dreaming of drawing us in the cup.[/p][/quote]I would say we are a club of the same size, they have won the more games between us and have won a major trophy. I would say overall we are a similar size club.[/p][/quote]Have a look at their crowd figures. A town twice the size of Watford with a club getting half the attendances and that includes the last time we were at the same level 2005 / 06.[/p][/quote]I think if Luton were in our situation with a similar size stadium they would get crowds sour size, if we were in their current situation in the non leagues we would have crowds about the same..[/p][/quote]They have always had smaller crowds. Last time they were in the championship they couldn't fill their 10,000 capacity stadium. allgood
  • Score: 5

9:41pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Hornet123 says...

With Ollie Phillips on this one. I don't know Luton as a place, and the few folk I've met from there are nice human beings.
I've supported Watford for approaching 50 years and never understood the 'we hate Luton' stance.
I don't think there's anything wrong with friendly rivalry but for me each season brings different rivals as we fight for promotion or against relegation.
It seems obvious to me that rivalry usually comes from geographic proximity - ask some Bristol Rovers fans what they think of City, or some Newcastle supporters whether they like Sunderland - likewise fans of any other club. So think about it - if the fierce and often angry opposition comes simply because Luton is 'up the road', then is it really logical?
I suppose the logical aim for Luton haters is for that club to either dwindle and bobble along in the Southern League (or lower) or for their complete and utter demise. What would the haters do then?
Anyway, some time over the next few seasons we will come up against them (in a cup game probably) and I hope we stuff them - as I hope we do whoever we play against.
I wonder how common my view is - maybe it's unusual. Or I might just be speaking for the largely silent majority.
With Ollie Phillips on this one. I don't know Luton as a place, and the few folk I've met from there are nice human beings. I've supported Watford for approaching 50 years and never understood the 'we hate Luton' stance. I don't think there's anything wrong with friendly rivalry but for me each season brings different rivals as we fight for promotion or against relegation. It seems obvious to me that rivalry usually comes from geographic proximity - ask some Bristol Rovers fans what they think of City, or some Newcastle supporters whether they like Sunderland - likewise fans of any other club. So think about it - if the fierce and often angry opposition comes simply because Luton is 'up the road', then is it really logical? I suppose the logical aim for Luton haters is for that club to either dwindle and bobble along in the Southern League (or lower) or for their complete and utter demise. What would the haters do then? Anyway, some time over the next few seasons we will come up against them (in a cup game probably) and I hope we stuff them - as I hope we do whoever we play against. I wonder how common my view is - maybe it's unusual. Or I might just be speaking for the largely silent majority. Hornet123
  • Score: -2

9:59pm Wed 16 Apr 14

DuffmanWFC says...

I hate those scummers from Luton!
So what about them and why this and the previous article of praise for getting back into the football league?
Yeah it's been great seeing them suffer and it's always great beating them but I would rather they rot in low league football and to never see there scumbag fans in our town!
Would you ever see an article in a local Luton paper welcoming a good achievement we have had or would have? NO!!! Why do the WO print such dog turd!
Get off the fence and say it as it is! They are scumbags full stop!
I have no praise for them and I hope they struggle next season!
Watford till I die!
I hate those scummers from Luton! So what about them and why this and the previous article of praise for getting back into the football league? Yeah it's been great seeing them suffer and it's always great beating them but I would rather they rot in low league football and to never see there scumbag fans in our town! Would you ever see an article in a local Luton paper welcoming a good achievement we have had or would have? NO!!! Why do the WO print such dog turd! Get off the fence and say it as it is! They are scumbags full stop! I have no praise for them and I hope they struggle next season! Watford till I die! DuffmanWFC
  • Score: 11

2:27am Thu 17 Apr 14

PozzoHornet says...

Bush Hornet wrote:
HornetJJ wrote:
bigdave8 wrote:
Qpr are more of a local derby now aren't they? Because scum town are irrelevant . Well done to the scum bags as they need a bit of luck as they live in a truly awful town .horrible place (I would think this regardless of what football team I support). I also wish them the best of luck in finding a job in the near future as we are all bored of paying their benefits
I agree. QPR are our most local rivals anyway and we are in the same division!
You may see QPR as our main local rivals but they will always see Chelsea as theirs. At least that shows a bit of ambition on their part.
More like delusion, no? At least we know our place in the footballing world. I don't know about you, but I'd rather be seen as realistic but small fry than ambitous but deluded.
[quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HornetJJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigdave8[/bold] wrote: Qpr are more of a local derby now aren't they? Because scum town are irrelevant . Well done to the scum bags as they need a bit of luck as they live in a truly awful town .horrible place (I would think this regardless of what football team I support). I also wish them the best of luck in finding a job in the near future as we are all bored of paying their benefits[/p][/quote]I agree. QPR are our most local rivals anyway and we are in the same division![/p][/quote]You may see QPR as our main local rivals but they will always see Chelsea as theirs. At least that shows a bit of ambition on their part.[/p][/quote]More like delusion, no? At least we know our place in the footballing world. I don't know about you, but I'd rather be seen as realistic but small fry than ambitous but deluded. PozzoHornet
  • Score: -1

2:58am Thu 17 Apr 14

PozzoHornet says...

As a fan who has never been to a Watford v L**** game on account of my tender age at the time and my dad wanting to spare me from the reported horrors, I do want to see us play them at one stage. I know they're clearly our main and historical rivals and as such I don't think my experience as a Watford fan will be complete without going to our local derby. For that reason, I begrudgingly welcome any rise up the leagues for them, in the hope that they will do what many League 2 clubs do and get back-to-back promotions followed by back-to-back relegations again. I also worry that the rivalry may die with the clubs' older members. After all, if we aren't in the same league as each other for another 25 years or so, (which is more likely than you may think, what with our inevitable promotion, whether it be next year, the year after or in 5 years time) I reckon the fans who remember a L**** game will be in the minority.
As a fan who has never been to a Watford v L**** game on account of my tender age at the time and my dad wanting to spare me from the reported horrors, I do want to see us play them at one stage. I know they're clearly our main and historical rivals and as such I don't think my experience as a Watford fan will be complete without going to our local derby. For that reason, I begrudgingly welcome any rise up the leagues for them, in the hope that they will do what many League 2 clubs do and get back-to-back promotions followed by back-to-back relegations again. I also worry that the rivalry may die with the clubs' older members. After all, if we aren't in the same league as each other for another 25 years or so, (which is more likely than you may think, what with our inevitable promotion, whether it be next year, the year after or in 5 years time) I reckon the fans who remember a L**** game will be in the minority. PozzoHornet
  • Score: 2

7:59am Thu 17 Apr 14

Watford Man says...

Place a bet on it now, the next time Watford play Luton, Luton will win, you can be sure of that.
Place a bet on it now, the next time Watford play Luton, Luton will win, you can be sure of that. Watford Man
  • Score: -8

10:49am Thu 17 Apr 14

weepingcross says...

How many out there really want Luton to disappear? My own loathing for them also goes back to the mid 1960s when chased out of that dump of a town on the 321 by hundreds of stone throwing marauding luton fans. Without luton in the top 4 divisions I have missed that passion of hate and want it back so Welcome back luton I am looking forward to listening out for your defeats in the League
How many out there really want Luton to disappear? My own loathing for them also goes back to the mid 1960s when chased out of that dump of a town on the 321 by hundreds of stone throwing marauding luton fans. Without luton in the top 4 divisions I have missed that passion of hate and want it back so Welcome back luton I am looking forward to listening out for your defeats in the League weepingcross
  • Score: 0

11:27am Thu 17 Apr 14

Harry's Bar says...

craig239 wrote:
I can't believe any Watford fan would want to see this c**p club back in the same league as us. Some of their supporters are true scum. Do we forget the scenes of the cup game when they attacked the lower rous scaring kids into panic.
Hope they and the morons who support such a badly run club, disappear into obscurity .
I remember that, an ugly mug chasing a kid up the Lower Rous steps, unfortunately though not one adult stepped in.
[quote][p][bold]craig239[/bold] wrote: I can't believe any Watford fan would want to see this c**p club back in the same league as us. Some of their supporters are true scum. Do we forget the scenes of the cup game when they attacked the lower rous scaring kids into panic. Hope they and the morons who support such a badly run club, disappear into obscurity .[/p][/quote]I remember that, an ugly mug chasing a kid up the Lower Rous steps, unfortunately though not one adult stepped in. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 0

4:04pm Thu 17 Apr 14

CaptainPC says...

Meadey39 wrote:
Not sure why we are bothered by the team I won't mention from the county I can't mention. They have not been our rivals for such a long time. The rivalry died out after the Taylor- Pleat era. QPR are our biggest rivals now, we shouldn't worry about a little team from an irrelevant place. They will do well to get back to the Championship within 5 years.
I love to hate Luton.

At least when they come they have a go, not just go in the Estcourt gob off and get chased down the road by a load of fatties.
[quote][p][bold]Meadey39[/bold] wrote: Not sure why we are bothered by the team I won't mention from the county I can't mention. They have not been our rivals for such a long time. The rivalry died out after the Taylor- Pleat era. QPR are our biggest rivals now, we shouldn't worry about a little team from an irrelevant place. They will do well to get back to the Championship within 5 years.[/p][/quote]I love to hate Luton. At least when they come they have a go, not just go in the Estcourt gob off and get chased down the road by a load of fatties. CaptainPC
  • Score: 1

4:09pm Thu 17 Apr 14

CaptainPC says...

PozzoHornet wrote:
As a fan who has never been to a Watford v L**** game on account of my tender age at the time and my dad wanting to spare me from the reported horrors, I do want to see us play them at one stage. I know they're clearly our main and historical rivals and as such I don't think my experience as a Watford fan will be complete without going to our local derby. For that reason, I begrudgingly welcome any rise up the leagues for them, in the hope that they will do what many League 2 clubs do and get back-to-back promotions followed by back-to-back relegations again. I also worry that the rivalry may die with the clubs' older members. After all, if we aren't in the same league as each other for another 25 years or so, (which is more likely than you may think, what with our inevitable promotion, whether it be next year, the year after or in 5 years time) I reckon the fans who remember a L**** game will be in the minority.
You really are a fool aren't you?
L*****, but you've never been to a game. My first game, I was 8, was against Luton. Proper atmosphere.
2002 when they went on the pitch tried to get in the LR, corner flags. 4 at their place OB tell GT "Don't score any more".

I hate Luton but I love playing them. I'd go and and watch the Udibees if they played Luton....Sharpen some tanners.....aaaarrrr
rrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhhh
hh!
[quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: As a fan who has never been to a Watford v L**** game on account of my tender age at the time and my dad wanting to spare me from the reported horrors, I do want to see us play them at one stage. I know they're clearly our main and historical rivals and as such I don't think my experience as a Watford fan will be complete without going to our local derby. For that reason, I begrudgingly welcome any rise up the leagues for them, in the hope that they will do what many League 2 clubs do and get back-to-back promotions followed by back-to-back relegations again. I also worry that the rivalry may die with the clubs' older members. After all, if we aren't in the same league as each other for another 25 years or so, (which is more likely than you may think, what with our inevitable promotion, whether it be next year, the year after or in 5 years time) I reckon the fans who remember a L**** game will be in the minority.[/p][/quote]You really are a fool aren't you? L*****, but you've never been to a game. My first game, I was 8, was against Luton. Proper atmosphere. 2002 when they went on the pitch tried to get in the LR, corner flags. 4 at their place OB tell GT "Don't score any more". I hate Luton but I love playing them. I'd go and and watch the Udibees if they played Luton....Sharpen some tanners.....aaaarrrr rrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhhh hh! CaptainPC
  • Score: -4

4:29pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Vespa Crabro says...

PozzoHornet wrote:
As a fan who has never been to a Watford v L**** game on account of my tender age at the time and my dad wanting to spare me from the reported horrors, I do want to see us play them at one stage. I know they're clearly our main and historical rivals and as such I don't think my experience as a Watford fan will be complete without going to our local derby. For that reason, I begrudgingly welcome any rise up the leagues for them, in the hope that they will do what many League 2 clubs do and get back-to-back promotions followed by back-to-back relegations again. I also worry that the rivalry may die with the clubs' older members. After all, if we aren't in the same league as each other for another 25 years or so, (which is more likely than you may think, what with our inevitable promotion, whether it be next year, the year after or in 5 years time) I reckon the fans who remember a L**** game will be in the minority.
The rivalry will never die, it's in the DNA of both clubs and their supporters. We didn't play them for 26 years between 1937 and 1963 and I am sure the atmosphere at that 1963 fixture was just as passionate as ever.

I am looking forward to the match at Loftus Road on Monday, but I don't regard QPR as being any more our rivals than any other London team.
[quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: As a fan who has never been to a Watford v L**** game on account of my tender age at the time and my dad wanting to spare me from the reported horrors, I do want to see us play them at one stage. I know they're clearly our main and historical rivals and as such I don't think my experience as a Watford fan will be complete without going to our local derby. For that reason, I begrudgingly welcome any rise up the leagues for them, in the hope that they will do what many League 2 clubs do and get back-to-back promotions followed by back-to-back relegations again. I also worry that the rivalry may die with the clubs' older members. After all, if we aren't in the same league as each other for another 25 years or so, (which is more likely than you may think, what with our inevitable promotion, whether it be next year, the year after or in 5 years time) I reckon the fans who remember a L**** game will be in the minority.[/p][/quote]The rivalry will never die, it's in the DNA of both clubs and their supporters. We didn't play them for 26 years between 1937 and 1963 and I am sure the atmosphere at that 1963 fixture was just as passionate as ever. I am looking forward to the match at Loftus Road on Monday, but I don't regard QPR as being any more our rivals than any other London team. Vespa Crabro
  • Score: 1

4:44pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Retlas says...

If England was given an enema I know where it would be inserted!!

20 miles north, up the M1.
If England was given an enema I know where it would be inserted!! 20 miles north, up the M1. Retlas
  • Score: 11

7:55pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Manwell Al says...

Oh well, it's been an amusing few seasons watching 'poor old' luton town's demise.
Can't see us playing in same division for years (if at all again) so will hope for cup draw to give then another spanking.
Seating in away end last time played was disgraceful. Sure not league standard.
Oh well, it's been an amusing few seasons watching 'poor old' luton town's demise. Can't see us playing in same division for years (if at all again) so will hope for cup draw to give then another spanking. Seating in away end last time played was disgraceful. Sure not league standard. Manwell Al
  • Score: 2

9:47pm Thu 17 Apr 14

wheelsonfire says...

Strongly disagree with Sir Olie on this one. he was very lucky to meet a couple of decent ones they are very few and far between.
Lets hope the FA show some background and stop them coming back. The cheats should have been closed down permanently or at least told to give up any trophy (it was only one wasn't it?) and points they gained by the cheating that went on for decades.
Strongly disagree with Sir Olie on this one. he was very lucky to meet a couple of decent ones they are very few and far between. Lets hope the FA show some background and stop them coming back. The cheats should have been closed down permanently or at least told to give up any trophy (it was only one wasn't it?) and points they gained by the cheating that went on for decades. wheelsonfire
  • Score: 3

3:42am Fri 18 Apr 14

tonyevans22 says...

I hate Luton....But Ii miss the local Derbies between us,as it always brings passion from the supporters,and there is no greater feeling than getting 1 over them..and Dai Thomas scoring at Kenilworth road and running the full length of the pitch waving the watford shirt will forever live in my memory.
I hate Luton....But Ii miss the local Derbies between us,as it always brings passion from the supporters,and there is no greater feeling than getting 1 over them..and Dai Thomas scoring at Kenilworth road and running the full length of the pitch waving the watford shirt will forever live in my memory. tonyevans22
  • Score: 3

5:50am Fri 18 Apr 14

lutondown says...

Bush Hornet wrote:
MainStandShambles wrote:
How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again.

Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas!

As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it.

I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again.

Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again.
That's a bit fawning and sad.

Most Watford fans would be happy for Luton to be in the league. If we continue to see them as our main rival, and if people will insist on singing about shooting Luton scum, then they might at least be a league club.
agree Bush, im glad they are back, they were shafted by the powers that be.
i dont like them, but they are an old football club and were victimised by the fact they were on their knees and could not defend themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MainStandShambles[/bold] wrote: How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again. Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas! As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it. I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again. Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again.[/p][/quote]That's a bit fawning and sad. Most Watford fans would be happy for Luton to be in the league. If we continue to see them as our main rival, and if people will insist on singing about shooting Luton scum, then they might at least be a league club.[/p][/quote]agree Bush, im glad they are back, they were shafted by the powers that be. i dont like them, but they are an old football club and were victimised by the fact they were on their knees and could not defend themselves. lutondown
  • Score: 0

1:55pm Fri 18 Apr 14

micksolly says...

harrowboy wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
MainStandShambles wrote:
How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again.

Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas!

As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it.

I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again.

Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again.
I find Frank Smith far more insightful than Oliver Phillips.
Are you sure?!! Ollie is from the old school of local journalists who actually checked his facts before going into print, and maintained relationships with people to ensure what he was writing was factually correct. I stopped buying the WO the day Ollie retired.
You had better start buying it again he still does a column :-)
[quote][p][bold]harrowboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MainStandShambles[/bold] wrote: How good it is to read the eloquence of the great Ollie Phillips once again. Without being too disparaging to the current scribes at the WO, my how we miss Ollie's insightful takes on everything that happened at Vicarage Road. I daresay that in a perverse way he would have enjoyed reporting on all the shenanigans that have taken place since his retirement. Better than most soap operas! As for the content of his article i do find myself agreeing with his sentiments having had a period of residency over the county boundary myself during the 70s and 80s and can vouch that the majority of Luton fans are indeed quite civilised. No really, i mean it. I see that it's taken five years to climb out of the Conference and reach their true level, League 2. Maybe we'll have a chance to beat them in the cup again. Hope you're still enjoying the delights of France Ollie, you certainly earned your retirement. Great to hear from you again.[/p][/quote]I find Frank Smith far more insightful than Oliver Phillips.[/p][/quote]Are you sure?!! Ollie is from the old school of local journalists who actually checked his facts before going into print, and maintained relationships with people to ensure what he was writing was factually correct. I stopped buying the WO the day Ollie retired.[/p][/quote]You had better start buying it again he still does a column :-) micksolly
  • Score: 0

11:33pm Fri 18 Apr 14

lutondown says...

Retlas wrote:
If England was given an enema I know where it would be inserted!!

20 miles north, up the M1.
fifteen actually
[quote][p][bold]Retlas[/bold] wrote: If England was given an enema I know where it would be inserted!! 20 miles north, up the M1.[/p][/quote]fifteen actually lutondown
  • Score: 1

6:02pm Sun 20 Apr 14

watford1881 says...

There's only one rival.. Used to love the Derby match with Luton.. Would be great to see it again...
There's only one rival.. Used to love the Derby match with Luton.. Would be great to see it again... watford1881
  • Score: -1

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