Ian Holloway says his two-fingered gesture was only to remind Watford fans of the score at full-time

Ian Holloway responded to Watford fans' chants with a two-fingered gesture. Picture: Action Images

Ian Holloway responded to Watford fans' chants with a two-fingered gesture. Picture: Action Images

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Ian Holloway says he can’t understand why Watford fans do not like him and denies that his two fingered gesture at full-time was lewd.

Watford’s travelling supporters made Holloway the target of a particular chant during the game after the former Crystal Palace boss’ disparaging comments about the Hornets’ use of the loan system last season.

Holloway, though, could only offer last season’s play-off final defeat by the Eagles as the reason for the Watford chants.

After Millwall’s injury-time equaliser, Holloway reacted by twice showing two fingers to the Hornets supporters to represent the full-time result.

“I said “two-two”, because they were calling me something that you shouldn’t be called, from the whole lot of them, so I said it’s 2-2. Is that tongue-in-cheek or not? Of course it is,” explained Holloway.

“I used the same hand twice. Is there anything wrong with that or not?”

He continued: “It must be completely and utterly sour grapes when I went along and did my job and they didn’t like it.

“I’ve never done anything against them, so that must be it and how narrow minded are you? It’s just rubbish, that’s what I don’t like about football. You should be gracious in defeat as well and if that’s what they want to do just because I beat them, then [blows raspberry], jog on.”

Pressed further on the issue, Holloway said: “If people can’t see the funny side of that then [they should], the fourth official could, and he was laughing his head off.”

“Now if I’ve offended anybody, I don’t care. They’re offending me by screaming at me and I’ll apologise. It wasn’t a lewd gesture at all, it was the score and how finicky are we getting if you can’t have a little bit of banter?

“Not being funny, am I fighting with their dug out? Do I bring the game into disrepute? I don’t think so. I make it a nicer place to be, I think.

"At the end of the day, it’s all excuses. We’re in London, it’s a bit of banter, it’s a bit of a derby, we needed the points, and I’m still jovial.”

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8:15pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Bush Hornet says...

'You should be gracious'. Ha ha ha. Ian you are a shining example

This is hilarious for all the wrong reasons. Bet the 4th official was laughing at you not with you.
'You should be gracious'. Ha ha ha. Ian you are a shining example This is hilarious for all the wrong reasons. Bet the 4th official was laughing at you not with you. Bush Hornet
  • Score: 23

8:17pm Sat 12 Apr 14

D.unstable says...

Oh shut up you horrible little man, you should have been sectioned along time ago.
Oh shut up you horrible little man, you should have been sectioned along time ago. D.unstable
  • Score: 26

8:19pm Sat 12 Apr 14

mellow yellow says...

Bush Hornet wrote:
'You should be gracious'. Ha ha ha. Ian you are a shining example

This is hilarious for all the wrong reasons. Bet the 4th official was laughing at you not with you.
The man is a total moron, and if he thinks it's because of the play off final result he must have his head up his backside. Oh, hang on...
[quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: 'You should be gracious'. Ha ha ha. Ian you are a shining example This is hilarious for all the wrong reasons. Bet the 4th official was laughing at you not with you.[/p][/quote]The man is a total moron, and if he thinks it's because of the play off final result he must have his head up his backside. Oh, hang on... mellow yellow
  • Score: 26

8:31pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Jonathan Winsky says...

I didn't notice the gesture until I read about it here.

I don't think “I used the same hand twice" is the best choice of words to react to being called a w****r!

Hopefully Watford's habit of conceding late goals will not be taken into next season.
I didn't notice the gesture until I read about it here. I don't think “I used the same hand twice" is the best choice of words to react to being called a w****r! Hopefully Watford's habit of conceding late goals will not be taken into next season. Jonathan Winsky
  • Score: 9

8:41pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Ramageland says...

*Yawn* What a funny little man. Let's hope he laughs off relegation so easily.
*Yawn* What a funny little man. Let's hope he laughs off relegation so easily. Ramageland
  • Score: 17

8:43pm Sat 12 Apr 14

jasonwatford says...

He really is the village idiot
He really is the village idiot jasonwatford
  • Score: 19

8:47pm Sat 12 Apr 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

I have no problem in him sticking two fingers up at us, as the feeling is mutual.
At least we're honest about how we feel about him whereas he has to concoct some excuse about why he is disliked.
The man is a turd.
I have no problem in him sticking two fingers up at us, as the feeling is mutual. At least we're honest about how we feel about him whereas he has to concoct some excuse about why he is disliked. The man is a turd. The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 29

8:55pm Sat 12 Apr 14

exeterhornet says...

He is, without doubt, the most odious little s..t that ever managed a football club (along with Billy Davis). What is it about 'little' people?
He is, without doubt, the most odious little s..t that ever managed a football club (along with Billy Davis). What is it about 'little' people? exeterhornet
  • Score: 33

9:17pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Drewoneone says...

He is an odious little man and fully deserves the relegation that will be coming his way. He is stupid to think we are annoyed with him over the PO final. It took him half of last season to work out we had some loan players. Makes you wonder how he does his pre match preparation if he is so ignorant about the opposition.
He is an odious little man and fully deserves the relegation that will be coming his way. He is stupid to think we are annoyed with him over the PO final. It took him half of last season to work out we had some loan players. Makes you wonder how he does his pre match preparation if he is so ignorant about the opposition. Drewoneone
  • Score: 17

9:38pm Sat 12 Apr 14

SuperHorns says...

He still doesn't get it..

The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"...

Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear..

It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free..

Enjoy League One...
He still doesn't get it.. The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"... Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear.. It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free.. Enjoy League One... SuperHorns
  • Score: 18

9:54pm Sat 12 Apr 14

rogeruk says...

I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager.

Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2.

In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility.

From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand?

Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted.

Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record.

I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons.

The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night.

Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted.

WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise.

A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain.

Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind.

The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee.

I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.
I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager. Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2. In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility. From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand? Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted. Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record. I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons. The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night. Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted. WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise. A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain. Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind. The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee. I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate. rogeruk
  • Score: -36

10:11pm Sat 12 Apr 14

llloydwithathirdl says...

rogeruk wrote:
I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager.

Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2.

In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility.

From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand?

Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted.

Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record.

I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons.

The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night.

Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted.

WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise.

A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain.

Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind.

The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee.

I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.
Enjoy League One .
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager. Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2. In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility. From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand? Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted. Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record. I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons. The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night. Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted. WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise. A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain. Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind. The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee. I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.[/p][/quote]Enjoy League One . llloydwithathirdl
  • Score: -3

10:28pm Sat 12 Apr 14

1234566789 says...

rogeruk wrote:
I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager.

Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2.

In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility.

From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand?

Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted.

Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record.

I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons.

The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night.

Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted.

WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise.

A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain.

Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind.

The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee.

I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.
Zola didn't exactly lose the Leeds game last season - surely that one goes to Almunia's injury, Bond's injury and Deeney's red card

Almunia didn't score an own goal against Leicester - terrible keeping to hit the ball at Woods but that isn't an own goal.

McGugan has been excellent. Yes, he is sometimes a bit lazy defensively but he provides a spark that we really missed whilst he and Abdi were injured. And, with Toszer sat behind him, you can allow him not getting back too much.

Key things for next season in my mind are:

1) Keep Deeney - any replacement would need to be British to keep within the 'homegrown' rule as we are already pushing the limit. I am not sure there are many as good as him that would fit into our pay structure
2) Keep Sannino - another change in manager will simply be more instability which we really don't need
3) Sign Toszer - it is clear to see he is a cut above in this division and has been a huge part of 'turning the season around'
4) Ensure Abdi is well rested over the summer and is as fit as possible - a consistent midfield of Toszer, Abdi and McGugan with the likes of Battocchio and Murray to come in as and when would be incredible
5) Get another top goalkeeper - assuming Almunia will be leaving, I don't think Bond is quite ready to be a 'Number 1' at this level just yet (perhaps 2 new keepers would be ok, allowing Bond the chance to gain valuable experience as a 'Number 1' elsewhere)
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager. Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2. In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility. From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand? Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted. Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record. I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons. The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night. Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted. WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise. A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain. Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind. The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee. I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.[/p][/quote]Zola didn't exactly lose the Leeds game last season - surely that one goes to Almunia's injury, Bond's injury and Deeney's red card Almunia didn't score an own goal against Leicester - terrible keeping to hit the ball at Woods but that isn't an own goal. McGugan has been excellent. Yes, he is sometimes a bit lazy defensively but he provides a spark that we really missed whilst he and Abdi were injured. And, with Toszer sat behind him, you can allow him not getting back too much. Key things for next season in my mind are: 1) Keep Deeney - any replacement would need to be British to keep within the 'homegrown' rule as we are already pushing the limit. I am not sure there are many as good as him that would fit into our pay structure 2) Keep Sannino - another change in manager will simply be more instability which we really don't need 3) Sign Toszer - it is clear to see he is a cut above in this division and has been a huge part of 'turning the season around' 4) Ensure Abdi is well rested over the summer and is as fit as possible - a consistent midfield of Toszer, Abdi and McGugan with the likes of Battocchio and Murray to come in as and when would be incredible 5) Get another top goalkeeper - assuming Almunia will be leaving, I don't think Bond is quite ready to be a 'Number 1' at this level just yet (perhaps 2 new keepers would be ok, allowing Bond the chance to gain valuable experience as a 'Number 1' elsewhere) 1234566789
  • Score: 21

10:30pm Sat 12 Apr 14

watfordrick says...

rogeruk wrote:
I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager.

Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2.

In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility.

From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand?

Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted.

Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record.

I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons.

The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night.

Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted.

WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise.

A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain.

Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind.

The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee.

I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.
Welease woger !
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager. Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2. In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility. From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand? Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted. Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record. I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons. The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night. Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted. WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise. A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain. Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind. The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee. I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.[/p][/quote]Welease woger ! watfordrick
  • Score: 1

10:42pm Sat 12 Apr 14

rogeruk says...

watfordrick wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager.

Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2.

In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility.

From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand?

Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted.

Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record.

I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons.

The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night.

Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted.

WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise.

A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain.

Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind.

The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee.

I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.
Welease woger !
It's tiresome, puerile, and doesn't make you look smart.
[quote][p][bold]watfordrick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager. Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2. In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility. From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand? Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted. Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record. I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons. The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night. Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted. WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise. A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain. Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind. The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee. I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.[/p][/quote]Welease woger ![/p][/quote]It's tiresome, puerile, and doesn't make you look smart. rogeruk
  • Score: -11

11:04pm Sat 12 Apr 14

only5foot3 says...

lets hope we dont roll over easily at charlton.
lets hope we dont roll over easily at charlton. only5foot3
  • Score: 5

11:34pm Sat 12 Apr 14

EltonForever says...

Why do I dislike that man so intensely?!?
Why do I dislike that man so intensely?!? EltonForever
  • Score: 3

12:05am Sun 13 Apr 14

Ramageland says...

Almunia has been brilliant for us. Yes, he should have saved the shot today but he has kept us in many a game and shouldn't be blamed for us not winning - we could/should have finished them off long before. Bond is a good prospect but Almunia is a more complete keeper (at the moment) - fact! It is not Almunia's fault that that we keep letting in late goals, that is down to the whole team. As others have said, we've been letting in late goals for years now, long before Almunia arrived.

And as for McGugan - he is quality player. He can be a bit lazy at times but he contributes plenty to the team and we look better when he plays. There has been way too much slagging off Almunia, McGugan, Battochio, Fessi, Pudil, Faraoni, etc this season, while others seem exempt from criticism. The issue has to be with management as this team is quality. - Zola's tenancy was fun but he had no plan B and Beppe has done well since he came but needs a pre-season before he can be judged. In the meantime, cheer on the most talented team we've probably ever had.

And as for holloway, f*ck him!
Almunia has been brilliant for us. Yes, he should have saved the shot today but he has kept us in many a game and shouldn't be blamed for us not winning - we could/should have finished them off long before. Bond is a good prospect but Almunia is a more complete keeper (at the moment) - fact! It is not Almunia's fault that that we keep letting in late goals, that is down to the whole team. As others have said, we've been letting in late goals for years now, long before Almunia arrived. And as for McGugan - he is quality player. He can be a bit lazy at times but he contributes plenty to the team and we look better when he plays. There has been way too much slagging off Almunia, McGugan, Battochio, Fessi, Pudil, Faraoni, etc this season, while others seem exempt from criticism. The issue has to be with management as this team is quality. - Zola's tenancy was fun but he had no plan B and Beppe has done well since he came but needs a pre-season before he can be judged. In the meantime, cheer on the most talented team we've probably ever had. And as for holloway, f*ck him! Ramageland
  • Score: 23

12:19am Sun 13 Apr 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

Ramageland wrote:
Almunia has been brilliant for us. Yes, he should have saved the shot today but he has kept us in many a game and shouldn't be blamed for us not winning - we could/should have finished them off long before. Bond is a good prospect but Almunia is a more complete keeper (at the moment) - fact! It is not Almunia's fault that that we keep letting in late goals, that is down to the whole team. As others have said, we've been letting in late goals for years now, long before Almunia arrived.

And as for McGugan - he is quality player. He can be a bit lazy at times but he contributes plenty to the team and we look better when he plays. There has been way too much slagging off Almunia, McGugan, Battochio, Fessi, Pudil, Faraoni, etc this season, while others seem exempt from criticism. The issue has to be with management as this team is quality. - Zola's tenancy was fun but he had no plan B and Beppe has done well since he came but needs a pre-season before he can be judged. In the meantime, cheer on the most talented team we've probably ever had.

And as for holloway, f*ck him!
I think 'Olly' and his words about the 'foreign' contingent before the Palace game at the Vic last season has triggered this antagonism towards him. I'm not sure whether he realises that but he did show his naivety by lording it before the cameras. However, if you look a bit deeper he is a good man and funny with it. He has autistic children, does a lot for charity, and as I did my A licence coaching certificate with him, I found him a generous and naturally funny guy with a real love of the game. Managers sometimes do weird things because of the pressure and he must be feeling that massively at the Den at the moment. He is trying to make up for his team lacking quality with a bit of blood and guts and spirit to keep them in the Division. wouldn't we want that with our Manager in the same position as Millwall? I don't like this hatred towards other people and GT would not have accepted it.

So please to all those fans who love our club, please don't behave that way to others in the game. I thought we would be above all that nonsense.

In terms of the comment above about our players I totally agree. Get off their backs, they don'y make mistakes on purpose. I guess none of the people commenting on their performance in a negative way makes mistakes!!!
[quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: Almunia has been brilliant for us. Yes, he should have saved the shot today but he has kept us in many a game and shouldn't be blamed for us not winning - we could/should have finished them off long before. Bond is a good prospect but Almunia is a more complete keeper (at the moment) - fact! It is not Almunia's fault that that we keep letting in late goals, that is down to the whole team. As others have said, we've been letting in late goals for years now, long before Almunia arrived. And as for McGugan - he is quality player. He can be a bit lazy at times but he contributes plenty to the team and we look better when he plays. There has been way too much slagging off Almunia, McGugan, Battochio, Fessi, Pudil, Faraoni, etc this season, while others seem exempt from criticism. The issue has to be with management as this team is quality. - Zola's tenancy was fun but he had no plan B and Beppe has done well since he came but needs a pre-season before he can be judged. In the meantime, cheer on the most talented team we've probably ever had. And as for holloway, f*ck him![/p][/quote]I think 'Olly' and his words about the 'foreign' contingent before the Palace game at the Vic last season has triggered this antagonism towards him. I'm not sure whether he realises that but he did show his naivety by lording it before the cameras. However, if you look a bit deeper he is a good man and funny with it. He has autistic children, does a lot for charity, and as I did my A licence coaching certificate with him, I found him a generous and naturally funny guy with a real love of the game. Managers sometimes do weird things because of the pressure and he must be feeling that massively at the Den at the moment. He is trying to make up for his team lacking quality with a bit of blood and guts and spirit to keep them in the Division. wouldn't we want that with our Manager in the same position as Millwall? I don't like this hatred towards other people and GT would not have accepted it. So please to all those fans who love our club, please don't behave that way to others in the game. I thought we would be above all that nonsense. In terms of the comment above about our players I totally agree. Get off their backs, they don'y make mistakes on purpose. I guess none of the people commenting on their performance in a negative way makes mistakes!!! Goldenboy1960
  • Score: 26

8:06am Sun 13 Apr 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

Goldenboy1960 wrote:
Ramageland wrote:
Almunia has been brilliant for us. Yes, he should have saved the shot today but he has kept us in many a game and shouldn't be blamed for us not winning - we could/should have finished them off long before. Bond is a good prospect but Almunia is a more complete keeper (at the moment) - fact! It is not Almunia's fault that that we keep letting in late goals, that is down to the whole team. As others have said, we've been letting in late goals for years now, long before Almunia arrived.

And as for McGugan - he is quality player. He can be a bit lazy at times but he contributes plenty to the team and we look better when he plays. There has been way too much slagging off Almunia, McGugan, Battochio, Fessi, Pudil, Faraoni, etc this season, while others seem exempt from criticism. The issue has to be with management as this team is quality. - Zola's tenancy was fun but he had no plan B and Beppe has done well since he came but needs a pre-season before he can be judged. In the meantime, cheer on the most talented team we've probably ever had.

And as for holloway, f*ck him!
I think 'Olly' and his words about the 'foreign' contingent before the Palace game at the Vic last season has triggered this antagonism towards him. I'm not sure whether he realises that but he did show his naivety by lording it before the cameras. However, if you look a bit deeper he is a good man and funny with it. He has autistic children, does a lot for charity, and as I did my A licence coaching certificate with him, I found him a generous and naturally funny guy with a real love of the game. Managers sometimes do weird things because of the pressure and he must be feeling that massively at the Den at the moment. He is trying to make up for his team lacking quality with a bit of blood and guts and spirit to keep them in the Division. wouldn't we want that with our Manager in the same position as Millwall? I don't like this hatred towards other people and GT would not have accepted it.

So please to all those fans who love our club, please don't behave that way to others in the game. I thought we would be above all that nonsense.

In terms of the comment above about our players I totally agree. Get off their backs, they don'y make mistakes on purpose. I guess none of the people commenting on their performance in a negative way makes mistakes!!!
A good counter from someone who obviously has personal experience of working with the guy. I don't doubt Holloway's love for the game or his passion for wanting to succeed in his way, however the man courts controversy and invites criticism by his comments and actions. The bottom line is that he isn't very articulate and presents himself as the village idiot. His naievity about the Pozzo 'system' last year and his mis-understanding if the term 'loophole' made it sound like he thought we were cheating. To then stick two fingers up at supporters in this day and age is somewhat stupid.
I don't hate the guy, but I think he's a fool who gets given to much credence by the media.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenboy1960[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: Almunia has been brilliant for us. Yes, he should have saved the shot today but he has kept us in many a game and shouldn't be blamed for us not winning - we could/should have finished them off long before. Bond is a good prospect but Almunia is a more complete keeper (at the moment) - fact! It is not Almunia's fault that that we keep letting in late goals, that is down to the whole team. As others have said, we've been letting in late goals for years now, long before Almunia arrived. And as for McGugan - he is quality player. He can be a bit lazy at times but he contributes plenty to the team and we look better when he plays. There has been way too much slagging off Almunia, McGugan, Battochio, Fessi, Pudil, Faraoni, etc this season, while others seem exempt from criticism. The issue has to be with management as this team is quality. - Zola's tenancy was fun but he had no plan B and Beppe has done well since he came but needs a pre-season before he can be judged. In the meantime, cheer on the most talented team we've probably ever had. And as for holloway, f*ck him![/p][/quote]I think 'Olly' and his words about the 'foreign' contingent before the Palace game at the Vic last season has triggered this antagonism towards him. I'm not sure whether he realises that but he did show his naivety by lording it before the cameras. However, if you look a bit deeper he is a good man and funny with it. He has autistic children, does a lot for charity, and as I did my A licence coaching certificate with him, I found him a generous and naturally funny guy with a real love of the game. Managers sometimes do weird things because of the pressure and he must be feeling that massively at the Den at the moment. He is trying to make up for his team lacking quality with a bit of blood and guts and spirit to keep them in the Division. wouldn't we want that with our Manager in the same position as Millwall? I don't like this hatred towards other people and GT would not have accepted it. So please to all those fans who love our club, please don't behave that way to others in the game. I thought we would be above all that nonsense. In terms of the comment above about our players I totally agree. Get off their backs, they don'y make mistakes on purpose. I guess none of the people commenting on their performance in a negative way makes mistakes!!![/p][/quote]A good counter from someone who obviously has personal experience of working with the guy. I don't doubt Holloway's love for the game or his passion for wanting to succeed in his way, however the man courts controversy and invites criticism by his comments and actions. The bottom line is that he isn't very articulate and presents himself as the village idiot. His naievity about the Pozzo 'system' last year and his mis-understanding if the term 'loophole' made it sound like he thought we were cheating. To then stick two fingers up at supporters in this day and age is somewhat stupid. I don't hate the guy, but I think he's a fool who gets given to much credence by the media. The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 14

8:22am Sun 13 Apr 14

corbindallas says...

It is funny as Gollum used to be one of my favourite 'other' mangers in the game, that was until he chose to call Watford cheats with the loan players we had and that is where my liking turned to dislike, yes he is a funny man and a generous man who has not had it easy but when he chooses to pick a fight with my team then it's a level playing field. He is also arrogant and clearly provocative in his response and therfore not professional to rise above any situation, he should know fans are loyal and therfore protective, he should know as a journeyman picking a fight with another team will come back and bite him every now and then. Sticking 2 fingers up as a manager is shocking but with him not surprising, enjoy league 1 Hollowhead and hopefully our paths do not cross again.
It is funny as Gollum used to be one of my favourite 'other' mangers in the game, that was until he chose to call Watford cheats with the loan players we had and that is where my liking turned to dislike, yes he is a funny man and a generous man who has not had it easy but when he chooses to pick a fight with my team then it's a level playing field. He is also arrogant and clearly provocative in his response and therfore not professional to rise above any situation, he should know fans are loyal and therfore protective, he should know as a journeyman picking a fight with another team will come back and bite him every now and then. Sticking 2 fingers up as a manager is shocking but with him not surprising, enjoy league 1 Hollowhead and hopefully our paths do not cross again. corbindallas
  • Score: 22

9:09am Sun 13 Apr 14

mellow yellow says...

corbindallas wrote:
It is funny as Gollum used to be one of my favourite 'other' mangers in the game, that was until he chose to call Watford cheats with the loan players we had and that is where my liking turned to dislike, yes he is a funny man and a generous man who has not had it easy but when he chooses to pick a fight with my team then it's a level playing field. He is also arrogant and clearly provocative in his response and therfore not professional to rise above any situation, he should know fans are loyal and therfore protective, he should know as a journeyman picking a fight with another team will come back and bite him every now and then. Sticking 2 fingers up as a manager is shocking but with him not surprising, enjoy league 1 Hollowhead and hopefully our paths do not cross again.
Agree with all this. I thought he was one of football's rare interesting types, that wasn't the bland PR machine that most involved in football today seem to be. But then came his mid season rant which was so fuelled by jealousy and bitterness, and a fair bundle of hypocrisy given the sheer volume of loan signings at Palace that year, let alone the signing of Phillips off the back of the advance from Man Utd for Zaha, that I went from respecting his character to loathing it in one interview, I would imagine most Watford fans feel the same.

As for next year: Abdi as captain, with Angella as back up. Never liked keepers as captains. Never will.
[quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: It is funny as Gollum used to be one of my favourite 'other' mangers in the game, that was until he chose to call Watford cheats with the loan players we had and that is where my liking turned to dislike, yes he is a funny man and a generous man who has not had it easy but when he chooses to pick a fight with my team then it's a level playing field. He is also arrogant and clearly provocative in his response and therfore not professional to rise above any situation, he should know fans are loyal and therfore protective, he should know as a journeyman picking a fight with another team will come back and bite him every now and then. Sticking 2 fingers up as a manager is shocking but with him not surprising, enjoy league 1 Hollowhead and hopefully our paths do not cross again.[/p][/quote]Agree with all this. I thought he was one of football's rare interesting types, that wasn't the bland PR machine that most involved in football today seem to be. But then came his mid season rant which was so fuelled by jealousy and bitterness, and a fair bundle of hypocrisy given the sheer volume of loan signings at Palace that year, let alone the signing of Phillips off the back of the advance from Man Utd for Zaha, that I went from respecting his character to loathing it in one interview, I would imagine most Watford fans feel the same. As for next year: Abdi as captain, with Angella as back up. Never liked keepers as captains. Never will. mellow yellow
  • Score: 24

12:25pm Sun 13 Apr 14

SuperHorn says...

rogeruk wrote:
I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager.

Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2.

In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility.

From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand?

Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted.

Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record.

I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons.

The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night.

Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted.

WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise.

A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain.

Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind.

The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee.

I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.
Do you even watch the team play? Almunia has had a good season all in all and has made a few mistakes (admittedly they were rather big ). Bond is still a young goalkeeper and despite some awful mistakes has shown some promising signs. You must be joking if you are seriously wanting Mcgugan out. Watch him play. He can turn with the ball and I'm pretty sure he has a number of assists this season. About no Italian manager doing well in British football, Zola took the club from a team that was finishing mind-table to a team that was high up in the Play-offs in one season. I would like to see anyone else do that.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager. Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2. In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility. From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand? Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted. Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record. I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons. The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night. Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted. WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise. A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain. Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind. The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee. I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.[/p][/quote]Do you even watch the team play? Almunia has had a good season all in all and has made a few mistakes (admittedly they were rather big ). Bond is still a young goalkeeper and despite some awful mistakes has shown some promising signs. You must be joking if you are seriously wanting Mcgugan out. Watch him play. He can turn with the ball and I'm pretty sure he has a number of assists this season. About no Italian manager doing well in British football, Zola took the club from a team that was finishing mind-table to a team that was high up in the Play-offs in one season. I would like to see anyone else do that. SuperHorn
  • Score: 5

12:49pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Chris the Vic says...

Ian Holloway is a man that is never far from controversy and quite entertaining to listen to.

However after his comments of last year quite ignoring that we, despite the foreign legions!, played more academy players than his team during the season. He played a player who's wages were met by Man U when we paid the full wages of all loan players and yet he felt WFC were cheating and said so then he wonders why the fans are on his back.

He knows fully why he was barracked, it had nothing to do with the Play Off final. Holloway is economic with the truth at best and is far less of a man than I would have credited him with a couple of seasons ago. No wonder so many chairman have got rid of him in the past and he is now totally humiliated by the managerial skills of Tony Pulis and yet his motor mouth does not stop. What an apology of a man.
Ian Holloway is a man that is never far from controversy and quite entertaining to listen to. However after his comments of last year quite ignoring that we, despite the foreign legions!, played more academy players than his team during the season. He played a player who's wages were met by Man U when we paid the full wages of all loan players and yet he felt WFC were cheating and said so then he wonders why the fans are on his back. He knows fully why he was barracked, it had nothing to do with the Play Off final. Holloway is economic with the truth at best and is far less of a man than I would have credited him with a couple of seasons ago. No wonder so many chairman have got rid of him in the past and he is now totally humiliated by the managerial skills of Tony Pulis and yet his motor mouth does not stop. What an apology of a man. Chris the Vic
  • Score: 12

4:12pm Sun 13 Apr 14

soulfulhornet says...

Holloway is a decent manager at this level and a bit of fun. Fair dues his team and his tactics outthought and outfought us at Wembley... and good luck to him/ Palace.

The media love him because he speaks his mind (or what goes for it). Like Warnock he is controversial and that makes good copy. Someone like Nigel Pearson is quiet, thoughtful, dignified and respectful, but may be a tad straight laced, gets nowhere as much column inches and is obviously not as entertaining.

He is entitled to his view in the use of the loan system that Watford employed last season - a unique situation and one that was not going to be repeated this term come what may. But it was ironic that it turned out that Palace were involved with more loans than any other Championship club in 2012/13!!!!! I am sure he did not check his facts before his outburst.

But I don't really care what he thought.
1) it was within UEFA rules as international loans are treated as transfers - still are check the Chelsea Athletico Madrid situation as regards the on-loan keeper.
2) it was effective and meant we played the best football ever at the Vic....for example, Leicester also used the loan system a lot last term, did not get promoted like us and made a huge loss in the process. Why no criticism there from Oli about over financially extended clubs, which as I commented elsewhere is a threat to the league's very existence!
3) most importantly, do you think the Pozzo family give a flying fig.. what Holloway thinks about his views ? Neither do I.
Holloway is a decent manager at this level and a bit of fun. Fair dues his team and his tactics outthought and outfought us at Wembley... and good luck to him/ Palace. The media love him because he speaks his mind (or what goes for it). Like Warnock he is controversial and that makes good copy. Someone like Nigel Pearson is quiet, thoughtful, dignified and respectful, but may be a tad straight laced, gets nowhere as much column inches and is obviously not as entertaining. He is entitled to his view in the use of the loan system that Watford employed last season - a unique situation and one that was not going to be repeated this term come what may. But it was ironic that it turned out that Palace were involved with more loans than any other Championship club in 2012/13!!!!! I am sure he did not check his facts before his outburst. But I don't really care what he thought. 1) it was within UEFA rules as international loans are treated as transfers - still are check the Chelsea Athletico Madrid situation as regards the on-loan keeper. 2) it was effective and meant we played the best football ever at the Vic....for example, Leicester also used the loan system a lot last term, did not get promoted like us and made a huge loss in the process. Why no criticism there from Oli about over financially extended clubs, which as I commented elsewhere is a threat to the league's very existence! 3) most importantly, do you think the Pozzo family give a flying fig.. what Holloway thinks about his views ? Neither do I. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 2

6:03pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Harry's Bar says...

SuperHorn wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager.

Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2.

In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility.

From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand?

Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted.

Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record.

I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons.

The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night.

Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted.

WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise.

A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain.

Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind.

The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee.

I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.
Do you even watch the team play? Almunia has had a good season all in all and has made a few mistakes (admittedly they were rather big ). Bond is still a young goalkeeper and despite some awful mistakes has shown some promising signs. You must be joking if you are seriously wanting Mcgugan out. Watch him play. He can turn with the ball and I'm pretty sure he has a number of assists this season. About no Italian manager doing well in British football, Zola took the club from a team that was finishing mind-table to a team that was high up in the Play-offs in one season. I would like to see anyone else do that.
"Almunia has had a good season".

Are you sure about that?
[quote][p][bold]SuperHorn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager. Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2. In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility. From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand? Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted. Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record. I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons. The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night. Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted. WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise. A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain. Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind. The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee. I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.[/p][/quote]Do you even watch the team play? Almunia has had a good season all in all and has made a few mistakes (admittedly they were rather big ). Bond is still a young goalkeeper and despite some awful mistakes has shown some promising signs. You must be joking if you are seriously wanting Mcgugan out. Watch him play. He can turn with the ball and I'm pretty sure he has a number of assists this season. About no Italian manager doing well in British football, Zola took the club from a team that was finishing mind-table to a team that was high up in the Play-offs in one season. I would like to see anyone else do that.[/p][/quote]"Almunia has had a good season". Are you sure about that? Harry's Bar
  • Score: 1

7:20pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Dunderdale Pinner says...

When a keeper makes a mistake quite often it ends in disaster. All the outfield mistakes, missed tackles and poor distribution are usually covered up. I do not like a keeper as captain, but over the season he has made some fantastic saves and kept us in the game. I wish him we'll if he decides to leave us, and if he does we need another top class keeper as Bond has promise but not yet ready for the big time.
When a keeper makes a mistake quite often it ends in disaster. All the outfield mistakes, missed tackles and poor distribution are usually covered up. I do not like a keeper as captain, but over the season he has made some fantastic saves and kept us in the game. I wish him we'll if he decides to leave us, and if he does we need another top class keeper as Bond has promise but not yet ready for the big time. Dunderdale Pinner
  • Score: 4

8:24am Mon 14 Apr 14

corbindallas says...

I think it is easy to pick on goalkeepers as the mistakes they make are costly, Almunia has been simply outstanding at times this season and shocking at other times and that is where you look at the issue and say could we have a better keeper with even more outstandings, the answer re Almunia is yes, he is starting to make a few to many mistakes and is plagued throughout his career with this nervousness which seeps through the team, not good as captain either, I think at Championship level he knows his time is up and thus he will leave end of season, although he would be a great back up to have around. Bond needs more game time and a loan will suit him well somewhere he will get game time under his belt. One final thing yes Almunia cost us points at Milwall and other games but for his penalty saves against the Foxes he is a club legend that allowed us a bite at the cherry, it was not his fault we did not capatalise the chance but if not for him we would have been sunk on many occassion.
I think it is easy to pick on goalkeepers as the mistakes they make are costly, Almunia has been simply outstanding at times this season and shocking at other times and that is where you look at the issue and say could we have a better keeper with even more outstandings, the answer re Almunia is yes, he is starting to make a few to many mistakes and is plagued throughout his career with this nervousness which seeps through the team, not good as captain either, I think at Championship level he knows his time is up and thus he will leave end of season, although he would be a great back up to have around. Bond needs more game time and a loan will suit him well somewhere he will get game time under his belt. One final thing yes Almunia cost us points at Milwall and other games but for his penalty saves against the Foxes he is a club legend that allowed us a bite at the cherry, it was not his fault we did not capatalise the chance but if not for him we would have been sunk on many occassion. corbindallas
  • Score: 3

9:44am Mon 14 Apr 14

thepriceisnickywright says...

rogeruk wrote:
I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager.

Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2.

In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility.

From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand?

Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted.

Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record.

I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons.

The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night.

Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted.

WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise.

A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain.

Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind.

The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee.

I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.
What short memories we football fans have. Last season Almunia was the hero of the hour, saving the penalty and having a fantastic game in the play-off final, and now he's the villain again. I agree he has had a poor season for his standards, but he has been fantastic for us in general and negatively slating him isn't going to help anyone.

Regarding Bond, this post is ridiculous. Again, last season Bond came in when we were pushing for promotion and a fantastic run of games, keeping clean sheets at the likes of Hull away and giving MOTM performances against Burnley and Sheffield Wednesday. This season, apart from towards the end of Zola's rein, he has been coming off the bench for the odd game and playing. I don't think anyone quite realises how hard it is to not play for 5-10 games and then be thrown in for one game, do ok, then be back on the bench again. Yes he has made the odd error, but he is young. Whenever he gets a run of games he is reasonably consistent and plays well. He should be our number 1 next season, he would excel.

The negativity of your views towards the goalies are unfounded and based on a few small mistakes this season. The amount of late goals we have conceded are the reason we are not in the top 6, and I do not put that down to bad goalkeeping, but a lack of character.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager. Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2. In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility. From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand? Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted. Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record. I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons. The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night. Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted. WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise. A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain. Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind. The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee. I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.[/p][/quote]What short memories we football fans have. Last season Almunia was the hero of the hour, saving the penalty and having a fantastic game in the play-off final, and now he's the villain again. I agree he has had a poor season for his standards, but he has been fantastic for us in general and negatively slating him isn't going to help anyone. Regarding Bond, this post is ridiculous. Again, last season Bond came in when we were pushing for promotion and a fantastic run of games, keeping clean sheets at the likes of Hull away and giving MOTM performances against Burnley and Sheffield Wednesday. This season, apart from towards the end of Zola's rein, he has been coming off the bench for the odd game and playing. I don't think anyone quite realises how hard it is to not play for 5-10 games and then be thrown in for one game, do ok, then be back on the bench again. Yes he has made the odd error, but he is young. Whenever he gets a run of games he is reasonably consistent and plays well. He should be our number 1 next season, he would excel. The negativity of your views towards the goalies are unfounded and based on a few small mistakes this season. The amount of late goals we have conceded are the reason we are not in the top 6, and I do not put that down to bad goalkeeping, but a lack of character. thepriceisnickywright
  • Score: 3

10:23am Mon 14 Apr 14

demerit says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
SuperHorn wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager.

Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2.

In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility.

From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand?

Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted.

Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record.

I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons.

The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night.

Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted.

WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise.

A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain.

Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind.

The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee.

I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.
Do you even watch the team play? Almunia has had a good season all in all and has made a few mistakes (admittedly they were rather big ). Bond is still a young goalkeeper and despite some awful mistakes has shown some promising signs. You must be joking if you are seriously wanting Mcgugan out. Watch him play. He can turn with the ball and I'm pretty sure he has a number of assists this season. About no Italian manager doing well in British football, Zola took the club from a team that was finishing mind-table to a team that was high up in the Play-offs in one season. I would like to see anyone else do that.
"Almunia has had a good season".

Are you sure about that?
I agree with HB. This should be kept in perspective. He is not the greatest but he's had, at worst, an average season. Yes, a few mistakes but what goalie doesn't?

Goalies are the last line of defence and consequently on a hiding to nothing. If they have a good game, it doesn't hit the headlines. If they have a bad one, they are the pariahs of the month. Buckland is a good goalie but he has a crap defence in front of him. I think we should blame our defence a little more and the goalie less. "Think Loach" and then you'll realise how lucky we are. At least we're not all counting up the points that he has lost us.
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperHorn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager. Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2. In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility. From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand? Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted. Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record. I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons. The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night. Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted. WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise. A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain. Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind. The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee. I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.[/p][/quote]Do you even watch the team play? Almunia has had a good season all in all and has made a few mistakes (admittedly they were rather big ). Bond is still a young goalkeeper and despite some awful mistakes has shown some promising signs. You must be joking if you are seriously wanting Mcgugan out. Watch him play. He can turn with the ball and I'm pretty sure he has a number of assists this season. About no Italian manager doing well in British football, Zola took the club from a team that was finishing mind-table to a team that was high up in the Play-offs in one season. I would like to see anyone else do that.[/p][/quote]"Almunia has had a good season". Are you sure about that?[/p][/quote]I agree with HB. This should be kept in perspective. He is not the greatest but he's had, at worst, an average season. Yes, a few mistakes but what goalie doesn't? Goalies are the last line of defence and consequently on a hiding to nothing. If they have a good game, it doesn't hit the headlines. If they have a bad one, they are the pariahs of the month. Buckland is a good goalie but he has a crap defence in front of him. I think we should blame our defence a little more and the goalie less. "Think Loach" and then you'll realise how lucky we are. At least we're not all counting up the points that he has lost us. demerit
  • Score: 2

10:27am Mon 14 Apr 14

CaptainPC says...

SuperHorns wrote:
He still doesn't get it..

The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"...

Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear..

It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free..

Enjoy League One...
Football is bit like a pantomime now. Let's boo the bad guys. Holloway is a decent manager and if he stuck two fingers up at a load of cowardly chanters then fair play to him.

Soccer fan mentality "I will chant vile abuse at people until they snap then I will be mortally offended and cry."

Idiots.
[quote][p][bold]SuperHorns[/bold] wrote: He still doesn't get it.. The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"... Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear.. It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free.. Enjoy League One...[/p][/quote]Football is bit like a pantomime now. Let's boo the bad guys. Holloway is a decent manager and if he stuck two fingers up at a load of cowardly chanters then fair play to him. Soccer fan mentality "I will chant vile abuse at people until they snap then I will be mortally offended and cry." Idiots. CaptainPC
  • Score: 0

11:32am Mon 14 Apr 14

rousman 2 says...

12 points have been lost in the last 5 minute's of game's this season that is not the fault of any one player, you need to look at the coach & his tactic's. Burnley at home we were defending deeper & deeper the longer the second half went on & both there 20 goal striker's were not playing. Fair play to Leicester they learnt from last season the question is will we ?
12 points have been lost in the last 5 minute's of game's this season that is not the fault of any one player, you need to look at the coach & his tactic's. Burnley at home we were defending deeper & deeper the longer the second half went on & both there 20 goal striker's were not playing. Fair play to Leicester they learnt from last season the question is will we ? rousman 2
  • Score: 4

2:08pm Mon 14 Apr 14

watford1881 says...

Get on ya tractor U sad inbreed..
Get on ya tractor U sad inbreed.. watford1881
  • Score: 2

2:09pm Mon 14 Apr 14

watford1881 says...

What we couldn't see was the webbing in between your fingers...
What we couldn't see was the webbing in between your fingers... watford1881
  • Score: 1

3:35pm Mon 14 Apr 14

SuperHorns says...

CaptainPC wrote:
SuperHorns wrote:
He still doesn't get it..

The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"...

Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear..

It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free..

Enjoy League One...
Football is bit like a pantomime now. Let's boo the bad guys. Holloway is a decent manager and if he stuck two fingers up at a load of cowardly chanters then fair play to him.

Soccer fan mentality "I will chant vile abuse at people until they snap then I will be mortally offended and cry."

Idiots.
That is certainly not the situation here.

We are not crying over his 2 finger salute. I think if he was brave enough to come out with the truth in his interview then I would've had greater respect. However he didn't and still doesn't recognize that his ramblings on our legitimate loans as transfers was looking to damage us as our club and derail our season. I stand firm in belief that was his tactic.
Take for example Mick McCarthy, who I have much more respect for and will applaud him next Saturday, his stance following Holloway outburst was " Good on them. I don't care it's none of my business". I'm sorry but that is what Holloway should've also done.
[quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperHorns[/bold] wrote: He still doesn't get it.. The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"... Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear.. It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free.. Enjoy League One...[/p][/quote]Football is bit like a pantomime now. Let's boo the bad guys. Holloway is a decent manager and if he stuck two fingers up at a load of cowardly chanters then fair play to him. Soccer fan mentality "I will chant vile abuse at people until they snap then I will be mortally offended and cry." Idiots.[/p][/quote]That is certainly not the situation here. We are not crying over his 2 finger salute. I think if he was brave enough to come out with the truth in his interview then I would've had greater respect. However he didn't and still doesn't recognize that his ramblings on our legitimate loans as transfers was looking to damage us as our club and derail our season. I stand firm in belief that was his tactic. Take for example Mick McCarthy, who I have much more respect for and will applaud him next Saturday, his stance following Holloway outburst was " Good on them. I don't care it's none of my business". I'm sorry but that is what Holloway should've also done. SuperHorns
  • Score: 0

4:19pm Mon 14 Apr 14

CaptainPC says...

SuperHorns wrote:
CaptainPC wrote:
SuperHorns wrote:
He still doesn't get it..

The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"...

Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear..

It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free..

Enjoy League One...
Football is bit like a pantomime now. Let's boo the bad guys. Holloway is a decent manager and if he stuck two fingers up at a load of cowardly chanters then fair play to him.

Soccer fan mentality "I will chant vile abuse at people until they snap then I will be mortally offended and cry."

Idiots.
That is certainly not the situation here.

We are not crying over his 2 finger salute. I think if he was brave enough to come out with the truth in his interview then I would've had greater respect. However he didn't and still doesn't recognize that his ramblings on our legitimate loans as transfers was looking to damage us as our club and derail our season. I stand firm in belief that was his tactic.
Take for example Mick McCarthy, who I have much more respect for and will applaud him next Saturday, his stance following Holloway outburst was " Good on them. I don't care it's none of my business". I'm sorry but that is what Holloway should've also done.
So you would never criticise the running of another team?

Bloke's a charactor, the game needs them.

McCarthy should stck it up his bol!ocks. He's not even Irish.
[quote][p][bold]SuperHorns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperHorns[/bold] wrote: He still doesn't get it.. The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"... Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear.. It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free.. Enjoy League One...[/p][/quote]Football is bit like a pantomime now. Let's boo the bad guys. Holloway is a decent manager and if he stuck two fingers up at a load of cowardly chanters then fair play to him. Soccer fan mentality "I will chant vile abuse at people until they snap then I will be mortally offended and cry." Idiots.[/p][/quote]That is certainly not the situation here. We are not crying over his 2 finger salute. I think if he was brave enough to come out with the truth in his interview then I would've had greater respect. However he didn't and still doesn't recognize that his ramblings on our legitimate loans as transfers was looking to damage us as our club and derail our season. I stand firm in belief that was his tactic. Take for example Mick McCarthy, who I have much more respect for and will applaud him next Saturday, his stance following Holloway outburst was " Good on them. I don't care it's none of my business". I'm sorry but that is what Holloway should've also done.[/p][/quote]So you would never criticise the running of another team? Bloke's a charactor, the game needs them. McCarthy should stck it up his bol!ocks. He's not even Irish. CaptainPC
  • Score: -4

9:53pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Watford1960 says...

thepriceisnickywrigh
t
wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager.

Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2.

In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility.

From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand?

Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted.

Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record.

I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons.

The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night.

Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted.

WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise.

A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain.

Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind.

The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee.

I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.
What short memories we football fans have. Last season Almunia was the hero of the hour, saving the penalty and having a fantastic game in the play-off final, and now he's the villain again. I agree he has had a poor season for his standards, but he has been fantastic for us in general and negatively slating him isn't going to help anyone.

Regarding Bond, this post is ridiculous. Again, last season Bond came in when we were pushing for promotion and a fantastic run of games, keeping clean sheets at the likes of Hull away and giving MOTM performances against Burnley and Sheffield Wednesday. This season, apart from towards the end of Zola's rein, he has been coming off the bench for the odd game and playing. I don't think anyone quite realises how hard it is to not play for 5-10 games and then be thrown in for one game, do ok, then be back on the bench again. Yes he has made the odd error, but he is young. Whenever he gets a run of games he is reasonably consistent and plays well. He should be our number 1 next season, he would excel.

The negativity of your views towards the goalies are unfounded and based on a few small mistakes this season. The amount of late goals we have conceded are the reason we are not in the top 6, and I do not put that down to bad goalkeeping, but a lack of character.
.... or a lack of fitness. the current team does not have the energy and stamina that we are accustomed to and even young Uche Ikpeazu was too unfit when he went out on loan. Not just match fitness, although such a big squad doesn't help, but strength, stamina and simple hard work in the gym.
[quote][p][bold]thepriceisnickywrigh t[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager. Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2. In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility. From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand? Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted. Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record. I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons. The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night. Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted. WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise. A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain. Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind. The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee. I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.[/p][/quote]What short memories we football fans have. Last season Almunia was the hero of the hour, saving the penalty and having a fantastic game in the play-off final, and now he's the villain again. I agree he has had a poor season for his standards, but he has been fantastic for us in general and negatively slating him isn't going to help anyone. Regarding Bond, this post is ridiculous. Again, last season Bond came in when we were pushing for promotion and a fantastic run of games, keeping clean sheets at the likes of Hull away and giving MOTM performances against Burnley and Sheffield Wednesday. This season, apart from towards the end of Zola's rein, he has been coming off the bench for the odd game and playing. I don't think anyone quite realises how hard it is to not play for 5-10 games and then be thrown in for one game, do ok, then be back on the bench again. Yes he has made the odd error, but he is young. Whenever he gets a run of games he is reasonably consistent and plays well. He should be our number 1 next season, he would excel. The negativity of your views towards the goalies are unfounded and based on a few small mistakes this season. The amount of late goals we have conceded are the reason we are not in the top 6, and I do not put that down to bad goalkeeping, but a lack of character.[/p][/quote].... or a lack of fitness. the current team does not have the energy and stamina that we are accustomed to and even young Uche Ikpeazu was too unfit when he went out on loan. Not just match fitness, although such a big squad doesn't help, but strength, stamina and simple hard work in the gym. Watford1960
  • Score: 1

8:29am Tue 15 Apr 14

Harry's Bar says...

CaptainPC wrote:
SuperHorns wrote:
CaptainPC wrote:
SuperHorns wrote:
He still doesn't get it..

The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"...

Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear..

It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free..

Enjoy League One...
Football is bit like a pantomime now. Let's boo the bad guys. Holloway is a decent manager and if he stuck two fingers up at a load of cowardly chanters then fair play to him.

Soccer fan mentality "I will chant vile abuse at people until they snap then I will be mortally offended and cry."

Idiots.
That is certainly not the situation here.

We are not crying over his 2 finger salute. I think if he was brave enough to come out with the truth in his interview then I would've had greater respect. However he didn't and still doesn't recognize that his ramblings on our legitimate loans as transfers was looking to damage us as our club and derail our season. I stand firm in belief that was his tactic.
Take for example Mick McCarthy, who I have much more respect for and will applaud him next Saturday, his stance following Holloway outburst was " Good on them. I don't care it's none of my business". I'm sorry but that is what Holloway should've also done.
So you would never criticise the running of another team?

Bloke's a charactor, the game needs them.

McCarthy should stck it up his bol!ocks. He's not even Irish.
Don't be so silly.
[quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperHorns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperHorns[/bold] wrote: He still doesn't get it.. The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"... Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear.. It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free.. Enjoy League One...[/p][/quote]Football is bit like a pantomime now. Let's boo the bad guys. Holloway is a decent manager and if he stuck two fingers up at a load of cowardly chanters then fair play to him. Soccer fan mentality "I will chant vile abuse at people until they snap then I will be mortally offended and cry." Idiots.[/p][/quote]That is certainly not the situation here. We are not crying over his 2 finger salute. I think if he was brave enough to come out with the truth in his interview then I would've had greater respect. However he didn't and still doesn't recognize that his ramblings on our legitimate loans as transfers was looking to damage us as our club and derail our season. I stand firm in belief that was his tactic. Take for example Mick McCarthy, who I have much more respect for and will applaud him next Saturday, his stance following Holloway outburst was " Good on them. I don't care it's none of my business". I'm sorry but that is what Holloway should've also done.[/p][/quote]So you would never criticise the running of another team? Bloke's a charactor, the game needs them. McCarthy should stck it up his bol!ocks. He's not even Irish.[/p][/quote]Don't be so silly. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 1

2:56pm Tue 15 Apr 14

CaptainPC says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
CaptainPC wrote:
SuperHorns wrote:
CaptainPC wrote:
SuperHorns wrote:
He still doesn't get it..

The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"...

Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear..

It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free..

Enjoy League One...
Football is bit like a pantomime now. Let's boo the bad guys. Holloway is a decent manager and if he stuck two fingers up at a load of cowardly chanters then fair play to him.

Soccer fan mentality "I will chant vile abuse at people until they snap then I will be mortally offended and cry."

Idiots.
That is certainly not the situation here.

We are not crying over his 2 finger salute. I think if he was brave enough to come out with the truth in his interview then I would've had greater respect. However he didn't and still doesn't recognize that his ramblings on our legitimate loans as transfers was looking to damage us as our club and derail our season. I stand firm in belief that was his tactic.
Take for example Mick McCarthy, who I have much more respect for and will applaud him next Saturday, his stance following Holloway outburst was " Good on them. I don't care it's none of my business". I'm sorry but that is what Holloway should've also done.
So you would never criticise the running of another team?

Bloke's a charactor, the game needs them.

McCarthy should stck it up his bol!ocks. He's not even Irish.
Don't be so silly.
you're silly.
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperHorns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperHorns[/bold] wrote: He still doesn't get it.. The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"... Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear.. It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free.. Enjoy League One...[/p][/quote]Football is bit like a pantomime now. Let's boo the bad guys. Holloway is a decent manager and if he stuck two fingers up at a load of cowardly chanters then fair play to him. Soccer fan mentality "I will chant vile abuse at people until they snap then I will be mortally offended and cry." Idiots.[/p][/quote]That is certainly not the situation here. We are not crying over his 2 finger salute. I think if he was brave enough to come out with the truth in his interview then I would've had greater respect. However he didn't and still doesn't recognize that his ramblings on our legitimate loans as transfers was looking to damage us as our club and derail our season. I stand firm in belief that was his tactic. Take for example Mick McCarthy, who I have much more respect for and will applaud him next Saturday, his stance following Holloway outburst was " Good on them. I don't care it's none of my business". I'm sorry but that is what Holloway should've also done.[/p][/quote]So you would never criticise the running of another team? Bloke's a charactor, the game needs them. McCarthy should stck it up his bol!ocks. He's not even Irish.[/p][/quote]Don't be so silly.[/p][/quote]you're silly. CaptainPC
  • Score: -1

3:56am Thu 17 Apr 14

PozzoHornet says...

rogeruk wrote:
I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager.

Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2.

In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility.

From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand?

Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted.

Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record.

I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons.

The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night.

Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted.

WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise.

A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain.

Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind.

The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee.

I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.
Well, where to start? For one thing, the 'getting one over' comment re Italian managers is complete nonsense. Holloway is tactically a better manager than Zola all day long. That's not because Zola is Italian, that's because he's a bad manager. And Sannino? He's played one game against him and only got a draw due to the player's missing their chances, Almunia's error and what is 'another late goal conceded' (a phrase which is becoming increasingly common, even for Watford). Our concession of late goals, however, is down to Sannino working our players hard and them not having the fitness to deal with it. Sannino is right to be demanding, as that is what will get us promoted; it is Zola who must take the blame for their lack of fitness as he was in charge of pre-season.

Furthermore, you claim that a British manager would do better. This, while not only being complete conjecture on your part, would also be incredibly difficult to achieve. By this I mean most British managers are accustomed to being just that - managers. They would not settle for the Head Coach role unless they were desperate (evidence of this is fresh in the mind with Warnock's rejection of the Forest job due to exactly this reason) and if they were desperate, they are likely not to be a top-quality coach.

As regards Almunia and Bond, I largely agree. I think it would be short-sighted not to recognise the fact Almunia is getting older and he is clearly on the wane. Whilst I disagree that Chris Wood's goal was Almunia's fault (imo he was simply unfortunate on that occasion) I do agree that he has had some less than convincing moments this season, and his reluctance to catch the ball in recent games shows that it's taken a toll. Bond needs a loan for exp. as I don't feel comfortable with him as our first choice for all of next season. His slip-up against City was poor and can be forgiven, but he cost us a draw at Doncaster with his spill. You can bet your life that if that was Almunia, the abuse would be raining from the heavens. Perhaps that Woods fella could do with a run between the sticks - if not then a new goalkeeper is surely needed.

McGugan is a tricky one. On the one hand, his overall contribution to the team is poor, even on a good day, whilst he seems very much to be a form player. On the other hand, when on form he can be a match winner. Personally, I think 10 goals from midfield warrants his continued inclusion, but in the big games I would play Batto or Murray every time, simply because they add much to the team defensively with their work rate.

British manager to motivate? Can't see where you're coming from there, especially as the majority of our starters are foreign. Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, passion comes across in whatever language you speak. It's not as if we couldn't see that passion in Beppe the first time he was on the touchline at the Vic, screaming orders at the players, even if he was screaming them in Italian. For me, Sannino is one of the most endearing people currently at the club, up there for me with Lloyd and Fessi.

Finally, what are you on about with the Norwich game? Bond's poor keeping? I think you're confusing Norwich City with Manchester City. Unless you think Bond was at fault for that absolute beauty from their young lad Josh Murphy. Or perhaps he should have gotten to Hooper's header which was at the back post and nowhere near him, not to mention the fact that it was in the 5th minute of an injury time period which should have been about 3 mins. Hooper's second went through his legs, but that is where strikers are told to aim for. Barca 2nd choice Pinto conceded a goal through his legs in this year's Copa del Rey final just this evening. It happens all the time to goalkeepers of a much higher standard than Bond (or Pinto for that matter).
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: I agree with nearly all Watford fans re Holloway- He is odious. However, the prat has got one over once again on an Italian manager. Last year a far superior Watford blew Palace away in the first half of the home game, only to gift 2 goals in the second half to finish again 2-2. In the Wembley final he did a number on Zola's tactics and won again with a much inferior team. He has done the same again today with a much inferior team but masses of effort and combination of sheer stupidity by Alumunia and Defenders Sannino must take responsibility. From all accounts Watford are in a different league in terms of technical ability, today they failed with chance after chance. I understand Watford had 3 or 4 chances before Millwall's second goal to kick the ball into row Z and failed to do so. I find it incomprehensible what goes on between the ears of these footballers, surely Sannino must have told them what to do, how many times they need to understand? Zola failed with so many chances when in a fantastic position long before the Wembley final to get promoted, losing at Bristol city away, Blackpool at home, Leeds at home any one of those should have been a win which would have seen Watford promoted. Sannino has had a great chance to make the playoffs and must take responsibility for not doing so. The points thrown away in so many matches would have put Watford in a very strong position even after the debacle of Zola's five home losses on the spin and the terrible away record. I think both goalkeepers Alumunia and Bond have been poor this season and a major contributor to Watford's demise. Looking back at the season; there were two crucial games which set the tone for the seasons. The first when outplaying Norwich in the League cup and winning 2-0 mainly through Bond's poor goalkeeping Watford threw it away to lose 3-2 on the night. Secondly and this was a real turning point was the home game against Leicester, Watford were doing OK at home it was 0-0 with no scares, then out of the blue Almunia made one of the worst errors of judgment ever to score an own goal, heads went down we lost 3-0 at home and never recovered. Confidence was lost and it broke Zola. Leicester exorcised their nightmare from last season’s semi-final and the rest is history. Leicester are promoted. WE definitely need a top goalkeeper and another 2nd choice goalkeeper to compete with Bond who in the big games is a long way from being ready but shows promise. A poll recently put Arsenal's signing of Almunia as one of the ten worst signings of any premier league team in 23 years of history of the premier league. Almunia is a great shot saver, but he is psychologically flawed, becomes very nervous which transmit itself to the players, his appointment as Captain was a serious error. We never replaced Eustace regrettably as club captain. Another player who I would like to leave is McGugan, yes he has scored ten goals, but how many has he missed? He doesn't have steel, and chicken and headless comes to mind. The Italians’ must surely realize that no matter the virtue or quality of an Italian manager not one of them can get to grips with the English championship, which is completely unique in Europe, it is stronger by a lot than any B tier league in Europe including Italy, Spain and Germany. Quality is not enough, Millwall today or Yeovil are prime examples. An Italian manager needs time at least one or two seasons to begin to know the league, even then as with Zola there is no guarantee, Zola actually got worse, Sannino shows promise and I am sure given his experience over the last 15 games he would surely like to replay those games with his now gained greater know how. Even with Sannino there is no guarantee. I think Watford next season needs a British high quality manager, with an Italian Assistant manager (Maybe Bepe if he would agree) and some of the backup team to be Italian as well. I think in the dressing room we need a British manager to motivate.[/p][/quote]Well, where to start? For one thing, the 'getting one over' comment re Italian managers is complete nonsense. Holloway is tactically a better manager than Zola all day long. That's not because Zola is Italian, that's because he's a bad manager. And Sannino? He's played one game against him and only got a draw due to the player's missing their chances, Almunia's error and what is 'another late goal conceded' (a phrase which is becoming increasingly common, even for Watford). Our concession of late goals, however, is down to Sannino working our players hard and them not having the fitness to deal with it. Sannino is right to be demanding, as that is what will get us promoted; it is Zola who must take the blame for their lack of fitness as he was in charge of pre-season. Furthermore, you claim that a British manager would do better. This, while not only being complete conjecture on your part, would also be incredibly difficult to achieve. By this I mean most British managers are accustomed to being just that - managers. They would not settle for the Head Coach role unless they were desperate (evidence of this is fresh in the mind with Warnock's rejection of the Forest job due to exactly this reason) and if they were desperate, they are likely not to be a top-quality coach. As regards Almunia and Bond, I largely agree. I think it would be short-sighted not to recognise the fact Almunia is getting older and he is clearly on the wane. Whilst I disagree that Chris Wood's goal was Almunia's fault (imo he was simply unfortunate on that occasion) I do agree that he has had some less than convincing moments this season, and his reluctance to catch the ball in recent games shows that it's taken a toll. Bond needs a loan for exp. as I don't feel comfortable with him as our first choice for all of next season. His slip-up against City was poor and can be forgiven, but he cost us a draw at Doncaster with his spill. You can bet your life that if that was Almunia, the abuse would be raining from the heavens. Perhaps that Woods fella could do with a run between the sticks - if not then a new goalkeeper is surely needed. McGugan is a tricky one. On the one hand, his overall contribution to the team is poor, even on a good day, whilst he seems very much to be a form player. On the other hand, when on form he can be a match winner. Personally, I think 10 goals from midfield warrants his continued inclusion, but in the big games I would play Batto or Murray every time, simply because they add much to the team defensively with their work rate. British manager to motivate? Can't see where you're coming from there, especially as the majority of our starters are foreign. Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, passion comes across in whatever language you speak. It's not as if we couldn't see that passion in Beppe the first time he was on the touchline at the Vic, screaming orders at the players, even if he was screaming them in Italian. For me, Sannino is one of the most endearing people currently at the club, up there for me with Lloyd and Fessi. Finally, what are you on about with the Norwich game? Bond's poor keeping? I think you're confusing Norwich City with Manchester City. Unless you think Bond was at fault for that absolute beauty from their young lad Josh Murphy. Or perhaps he should have gotten to Hooper's header which was at the back post and nowhere near him, not to mention the fact that it was in the 5th minute of an injury time period which should have been about 3 mins. Hooper's second went through his legs, but that is where strikers are told to aim for. Barca 2nd choice Pinto conceded a goal through his legs in this year's Copa del Rey final just this evening. It happens all the time to goalkeepers of a much higher standard than Bond (or Pinto for that matter). PozzoHornet
  • Score: -1

4:14am Thu 17 Apr 14

PozzoHornet says...

CaptainPC wrote:
SuperHorns wrote:
CaptainPC wrote:
SuperHorns wrote:
He still doesn't get it..

The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"...

Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear..

It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free..

Enjoy League One...
Football is bit like a pantomime now. Let's boo the bad guys. Holloway is a decent manager and if he stuck two fingers up at a load of cowardly chanters then fair play to him.

Soccer fan mentality "I will chant vile abuse at people until they snap then I will be mortally offended and cry."

Idiots.
That is certainly not the situation here.

We are not crying over his 2 finger salute. I think if he was brave enough to come out with the truth in his interview then I would've had greater respect. However he didn't and still doesn't recognize that his ramblings on our legitimate loans as transfers was looking to damage us as our club and derail our season. I stand firm in belief that was his tactic.
Take for example Mick McCarthy, who I have much more respect for and will applaud him next Saturday, his stance following Holloway outburst was " Good on them. I don't care it's none of my business". I'm sorry but that is what Holloway should've also done.
So you would never criticise the running of another team?

Bloke's a charactor, the game needs them.

McCarthy should stck it up his bol!ocks. He's not even Irish.
Bloke's a character? Yes, he plays the fool quite a bit. Not sure whether the game needs them or not, it's more that people want them. But that's a different conversation altogether. I reckon Holloway knows exactly what he was doing when he made those comments and he knows exactly what he's doing now. He obviously knew we had those loan players; as a manager, I have too much respect for him to believe that he didn't. I think he only made those comments mid-season because like many others at the start of the season he expected us to fail, and when we became promotion rivals, he tried to get in our heads. and to be fair, it worked - at least, on the fans. The intention was probably to get the players to get angry and thus make mistakes but imo Zola's calming influence stopped that happening. But as fans we collectively took the bait, and we've done it again, although this time I'm convinced that the intentions this time were no where near as malevolent, and simply a bit of playing on his part, as the wind-up actions occurred after the game rather than before it. As I said, he likes to play the fool.
[quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperHorns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperHorns[/bold] wrote: He still doesn't get it.. The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"... Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear.. It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free.. Enjoy League One...[/p][/quote]Football is bit like a pantomime now. Let's boo the bad guys. Holloway is a decent manager and if he stuck two fingers up at a load of cowardly chanters then fair play to him. Soccer fan mentality "I will chant vile abuse at people until they snap then I will be mortally offended and cry." Idiots.[/p][/quote]That is certainly not the situation here. We are not crying over his 2 finger salute. I think if he was brave enough to come out with the truth in his interview then I would've had greater respect. However he didn't and still doesn't recognize that his ramblings on our legitimate loans as transfers was looking to damage us as our club and derail our season. I stand firm in belief that was his tactic. Take for example Mick McCarthy, who I have much more respect for and will applaud him next Saturday, his stance following Holloway outburst was " Good on them. I don't care it's none of my business". I'm sorry but that is what Holloway should've also done.[/p][/quote]So you would never criticise the running of another team? Bloke's a charactor, the game needs them. McCarthy should stck it up his bol!ocks. He's not even Irish.[/p][/quote]Bloke's a character? Yes, he plays the fool quite a bit. Not sure whether the game needs them or not, it's more that people want them. But that's a different conversation altogether. I reckon Holloway knows exactly what he was doing when he made those comments and he knows exactly what he's doing now. He obviously knew we had those loan players; as a manager, I have too much respect for him to believe that he didn't. I think he only made those comments mid-season because like many others at the start of the season he expected us to fail, and when we became promotion rivals, he tried to get in our heads. and to be fair, it worked - at least, on the fans. The intention was probably to get the players to get angry and thus make mistakes but imo Zola's calming influence stopped that happening. But as fans we collectively took the bait, and we've done it again, although this time I'm convinced that the intentions this time were no where near as malevolent, and simply a bit of playing on his part, as the wind-up actions occurred after the game rather than before it. As I said, he likes to play the fool. PozzoHornet
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10:41am Thu 17 Apr 14

CaptainPC says...

PozzoHornet wrote:
CaptainPC wrote:
SuperHorns wrote:
CaptainPC wrote:
SuperHorns wrote:
He still doesn't get it..

The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"...

Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear..

It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free..

Enjoy League One...
Football is bit like a pantomime now. Let's boo the bad guys. Holloway is a decent manager and if he stuck two fingers up at a load of cowardly chanters then fair play to him.

Soccer fan mentality "I will chant vile abuse at people until they snap then I will be mortally offended and cry."

Idiots.
That is certainly not the situation here.

We are not crying over his 2 finger salute. I think if he was brave enough to come out with the truth in his interview then I would've had greater respect. However he didn't and still doesn't recognize that his ramblings on our legitimate loans as transfers was looking to damage us as our club and derail our season. I stand firm in belief that was his tactic.
Take for example Mick McCarthy, who I have much more respect for and will applaud him next Saturday, his stance following Holloway outburst was " Good on them. I don't care it's none of my business". I'm sorry but that is what Holloway should've also done.
So you would never criticise the running of another team?

Bloke's a charactor, the game needs them.

McCarthy should stck it up his bol!ocks. He's not even Irish.
Bloke's a character? Yes, he plays the fool quite a bit. Not sure whether the game needs them or not, it's more that people want them. But that's a different conversation altogether. I reckon Holloway knows exactly what he was doing when he made those comments and he knows exactly what he's doing now. He obviously knew we had those loan players; as a manager, I have too much respect for him to believe that he didn't. I think he only made those comments mid-season because like many others at the start of the season he expected us to fail, and when we became promotion rivals, he tried to get in our heads. and to be fair, it worked - at least, on the fans. The intention was probably to get the players to get angry and thus make mistakes but imo Zola's calming influence stopped that happening. But as fans we collectively took the bait, and we've done it again, although this time I'm convinced that the intentions this time were no where near as malevolent, and simply a bit of playing on his part, as the wind-up actions occurred after the game rather than before it. As I said, he likes to play the fool.
Sensible post.
[quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperHorns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperHorns[/bold] wrote: He still doesn't get it.. The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"... Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear.. It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free.. Enjoy League One...[/p][/quote]Football is bit like a pantomime now. Let's boo the bad guys. Holloway is a decent manager and if he stuck two fingers up at a load of cowardly chanters then fair play to him. Soccer fan mentality "I will chant vile abuse at people until they snap then I will be mortally offended and cry." Idiots.[/p][/quote]That is certainly not the situation here. We are not crying over his 2 finger salute. I think if he was brave enough to come out with the truth in his interview then I would've had greater respect. However he didn't and still doesn't recognize that his ramblings on our legitimate loans as transfers was looking to damage us as our club and derail our season. I stand firm in belief that was his tactic. Take for example Mick McCarthy, who I have much more respect for and will applaud him next Saturday, his stance following Holloway outburst was " Good on them. I don't care it's none of my business". I'm sorry but that is what Holloway should've also done.[/p][/quote]So you would never criticise the running of another team? Bloke's a charactor, the game needs them. McCarthy should stck it up his bol!ocks. He's not even Irish.[/p][/quote]Bloke's a character? Yes, he plays the fool quite a bit. Not sure whether the game needs them or not, it's more that people want them. But that's a different conversation altogether. I reckon Holloway knows exactly what he was doing when he made those comments and he knows exactly what he's doing now. He obviously knew we had those loan players; as a manager, I have too much respect for him to believe that he didn't. I think he only made those comments mid-season because like many others at the start of the season he expected us to fail, and when we became promotion rivals, he tried to get in our heads. and to be fair, it worked - at least, on the fans. The intention was probably to get the players to get angry and thus make mistakes but imo Zola's calming influence stopped that happening. But as fans we collectively took the bait, and we've done it again, although this time I'm convinced that the intentions this time were no where near as malevolent, and simply a bit of playing on his part, as the wind-up actions occurred after the game rather than before it. As I said, he likes to play the fool.[/p][/quote]Sensible post. CaptainPC
  • Score: 0

5:26pm Sat 26 Apr 14

gloryhornet4 says...

SuperHorns wrote:
He still doesn't get it..

The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"...

Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear..

It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free..

Enjoy League One...
I thought he showed a low IQ when he admitted he did not know where Watford players had come from until he read the programme. Hardly good on tactics.

Bag o'sh*te
[quote][p][bold]SuperHorns[/bold] wrote: He still doesn't get it.. The fact we chanted his name with a few insults and "We sign who we want from Udinese"... Did he not understand that part?? Surely the clues were for him to hear.. It was not the PO final, it was your media circus stunt trying to derail our season at the business end.. In fact I would consider more that the Sky stunt he pulled with the programme brought the game into disrepute more than a few hand gestures.. Yet he got away with it scott free.. Enjoy League One...[/p][/quote]I thought he showed a low IQ when he admitted he did not know where Watford players had come from until he read the programme. Hardly good on tactics. Bag o'sh*te gloryhornet4
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