COMMENT: Watford have to decide if they stick or twist when Premier League clubs come calling for Troy Deeney

Troy Deeney's form in recent months mean Premier League clubs will almost certainly come calling in the summer. Picture: Holly Cant

Troy Deeney's form in recent months mean Premier League clubs will almost certainly come calling in the summer. Picture: Holly Cant

First published in Latest Sport This Is Local London: Photograph of the Author by , Deputy Group Sports Editor

Watford have a dilemma on their hands this summer when it comes to Troy Deeney. Do they stick or do they twist?

A home-grown striker who has scored 20 goals in the second flight of English football in consecutive seasons will almost certainly attract the attention of Premier League clubs.

The Hornets will be expecting offers for Deeney in the summer and Beppe Sannino has stated that he believes the striker deserves to play in the top flight.

Sannino has described Deeney as “a complete player” and the striker netted his 22nd goal of the season in all competitions during Tuesday night’s 3-0 victory over Leeds United.

Deeney’s performances in the last month have been very good. Any scouts making the journey to Vicarage Road recently would have been impressed, with eight goals in seven consecutive home matches. It is ten goals in the last 12 home and away games.

The player’s stock has arguably never been higher and his performance on Tuesday night suggests that form will not be ending any time soon.

After the match, the Golden Boys’ head coach was asked how much a Premier League club would have to pay for Deeney’s services in the summer.

“I am not the manager. I am the gaffer. Managers deal with that,” Sannino responded. “I am a head coach on the pitch and then stop. But Deeney is a very good player and a good man. He is important for this club.

“He is a good player and it is normal that he would have the attention of Premier League clubs. In my opinion, he deserves to one day play in the Premier League.”

Sannino has previously stated that he would like Deeney to play in the top flight with Watford if possible.

But here is the problem.

The recruitment model of the Hornets’ owners, the Pozzo family, is to develop players and then sell at a perceived optimum price.

With Deeney netting 20 goals for two consecutive seasons, the owners will again have a decision to make as to whether they want to try to retain his services for their promotion push next season or sell if a good offer is received and a replacement can be found.

Another 20-goal season from Deeney would significantly enhance Watford’s automatic promotion chances during the 2014/15 campaign. It would result in the striker’s price tag soaring and would also land the club a minimum of £120m over the next four seasons, with parachute payments factored in.

But as the previous two seasons have shown, 20-goal strikers do not automatically result in promotion.

And when it comes to the player himself, a dip in form during the 2014/15 campaign or a mid to long-term injury would almost certainly see his value decrease. If you only consider the last two seasons, it is incredible to think Fernando Torres was once a £50m striker and £35m of that fee was spent on Andy Carroll.

Selling players can also be a risky business. It is not an exact science and often there isn’t a right and a wrong – well not at the time any way.

Watford have rarely got it wrong in recent memory. At a time when the club had to sell players due to financial problems, often the fees were not fantastic but they were good and the players wouldn’t be sold for more further down the line. The likes of Marlon King, Hameur Bouazza, Tamas Priskin and Marvin Sordell could be deemed good sales. And even many of those who have gone on to achieve further success, such as Mike Williamson, Tommy Smith and even Ashley Young, were sold for good fees at the time.

But there have been instances in recent memory where the Hornets have arguably sold too early and too late.

In January 2010 Tottenham Hotspur wanted to take Scott Loach on loan with a view to a permanent deal worth £2m. With Loach being called up to the full England squad later that year, at the age of just 22, saying no appeared to be the right move. However, he ended up being sold to Ipswich Town two years later for less than £200,000.

So not accepting a good offer because you expect the value to increase can backfire to the tune of millions of pounds.

However, the sale of Britt Assombalonga last summer raises the issue of potentially selling too young. Assombalonga had not played in League 1 prior to this season and had struggled in his four outings for Watford at Championship level.

So when Peterborough United broke their transfer record to buy the striker for £1.2m plus additional clauses, it seemed like a good deal for the Hornets – especially with the youngster fifth in the pecking order at Vicarage Road.

However, eight months and 30 goals later, Assombalonga is worth more than the £1.2m recouped by the Golden Boys.

Those two examples, Loach and Assombalonga, highlight the problem the Pozzos and Watford face this summer when it comes to Deeney.

There is also the issue of the player himself. Deeney will want to better himself and the lives of his young family. Nine times out of ten, what the player wants needs to be factored into the decision in modern football. If a Premier League club came calling he may want to leave.

When asked how difficult it will be to hold on to Deeney this summer, after he extended his tally for the season to 22, Sannino said: “I hope Troy can score ten more goals and then your question may be different.

“At the end of the season we will be able to talk better.”

The most comforting thought for Watford fans is that the club no longer has to desperately sell players to pay their bills. Don’t be mistaken, the club will allow their best players to leave if good offers are received. It is the basis on which most of Udinese’s success has been built. But they don’t have to sell on the cheap to balance the books.

Come August, I suspect the decision made regarding Deeney’s future will be deemed a reasonable success. If he is leading the promotion charge then that is good news. If he is sold for a large transfer fee and a good replacement is found then that may be deemed good news.

But like with most decisions made regarding player transfers, time will ultimately tell whether Watford make the right call should a Premier League club come calling this summer.

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2:17pm Fri 11 Apr 14

thehornet35 says...

I wonder if the 'homegrown' problem will raise his stock with the Pozzo's somewhat, an English player under contract. If we sell him, we may have to spend most of what we get on another Englishman, who probably isn't as good!
I wonder if the 'homegrown' problem will raise his stock with the Pozzo's somewhat, an English player under contract. If we sell him, we may have to spend most of what we get on another Englishman, who probably isn't as good! thehornet35
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2:36pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Bush Hornet says...

Hmm. Good article.

Not straightforward. But I think keep Troy if he wants to stay (guess he'll deserve an improved contract on his current form). Sell him if he thinks he can do better: I only want Deeney if he continues to show this level of hunger. If he wants to stay then there is, arguably, no better championship striker. And he seems to fit Watford. If he wants to go then he has to improve further to hold down a place in the premiership.

Best case scenario is prob to win all our remaining games and get into the premiership ourselves. Then there's no dilemma. But as we all know, the team lifting the trophy at Wembley this year is unlikely to be Watford.
Hmm. Good article. Not straightforward. But I think keep Troy if he wants to stay (guess he'll deserve an improved contract on his current form). Sell him if he thinks he can do better: I only want Deeney if he continues to show this level of hunger. If he wants to stay then there is, arguably, no better championship striker. And he seems to fit Watford. If he wants to go then he has to improve further to hold down a place in the premiership. Best case scenario is prob to win all our remaining games and get into the premiership ourselves. Then there's no dilemma. But as we all know, the team lifting the trophy at Wembley this year is unlikely to be Watford. Bush Hornet
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2:39pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Mark-H says...

'When' Premier League clubs come calling? The PL clubs will probably look at Ings, Vokes, and Rhodes first. Some will look overseas, like Hull did this summer with Sagbo. Additionally, what would the club sell at? A team like Newcastle, who Deeney would certainly, are run by too canny an operator to pay what we might ask for him. That said, if an offer comes in and Troy wants to go...around £6m? (based on Wickham for £8m and Rodriguez for £7m)
'When' Premier League clubs come calling? The PL clubs will probably look at Ings, Vokes, and Rhodes first. Some will look overseas, like Hull did this summer with Sagbo. Additionally, what would the club sell at? A team like Newcastle, who Deeney would certainly, are run by too canny an operator to pay what we might ask for him. That said, if an offer comes in and Troy wants to go...around £6m? (based on Wickham for £8m and Rodriguez for £7m) Mark-H
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2:43pm Fri 11 Apr 14

SuperHorns says...

Deeney is in his Prime I would say. It makes sense ala Danny Graham , at the form he was in, the following season he played up to that at Swansea but then capitulated.
Why doesn't he go to Udinese instead? At least then he could try a different level and style, he has a young family, maybe it would suit now at there age rather than later. I wonder if that's an option open to him?
If he couldn't manage it at that level he could return perhaps even in the premiership with Watford.
Deeney is in his Prime I would say. It makes sense ala Danny Graham , at the form he was in, the following season he played up to that at Swansea but then capitulated. Why doesn't he go to Udinese instead? At least then he could try a different level and style, he has a young family, maybe it would suit now at there age rather than later. I wonder if that's an option open to him? If he couldn't manage it at that level he could return perhaps even in the premiership with Watford. SuperHorns
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2:44pm Fri 11 Apr 14

djdooza says...

If we sell Deeney we have first dibs on Assombalonga ;)
If we sell Deeney we have first dibs on Assombalonga ;) djdooza
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2:52pm Fri 11 Apr 14

soulfulhornet says...

Mark-H wrote:
'When' Premier League clubs come calling? The PL clubs will probably look at Ings, Vokes, and Rhodes first. Some will look overseas, like Hull did this summer with Sagbo. Additionally, what would the club sell at? A team like Newcastle, who Deeney would certainly, are run by too canny an operator to pay what we might ask for him. That said, if an offer comes in and Troy wants to go...around £6m? (based on Wickham for £8m and Rodriguez for £7m)
£6m sounds about right, Wickham was over priced and based on potential not achievement. Ings and Vokes will be Premier League next season anyway, so that would provide a vacancy at Burnley if another Prem club came in for them. That would worry me as Dyche and Deeney are close, the latter citing Sean as a major influence esp around the time of Deeney's transgression with the law.

I would look to extend his contract, if Troy wants to stay, but whether we could afford his salary within the current wage structure is another matter. His stock is on the rise and his agent will look at what Rhodes, McCormack at Leeds and Nugent at Leicester earn and expect similar treatment. Those three would be a benchmark for his market value in terms of wages.

Sadly I think that means we will have to sell.
[quote][p][bold]Mark-H[/bold] wrote: 'When' Premier League clubs come calling? The PL clubs will probably look at Ings, Vokes, and Rhodes first. Some will look overseas, like Hull did this summer with Sagbo. Additionally, what would the club sell at? A team like Newcastle, who Deeney would certainly, are run by too canny an operator to pay what we might ask for him. That said, if an offer comes in and Troy wants to go...around £6m? (based on Wickham for £8m and Rodriguez for £7m)[/p][/quote]£6m sounds about right, Wickham was over priced and based on potential not achievement. Ings and Vokes will be Premier League next season anyway, so that would provide a vacancy at Burnley if another Prem club came in for them. That would worry me as Dyche and Deeney are close, the latter citing Sean as a major influence esp around the time of Deeney's transgression with the law. I would look to extend his contract, if Troy wants to stay, but whether we could afford his salary within the current wage structure is another matter. His stock is on the rise and his agent will look at what Rhodes, McCormack at Leeds and Nugent at Leicester earn and expect similar treatment. Those three would be a benchmark for his market value in terms of wages. Sadly I think that means we will have to sell. soulfulhornet
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2:59pm Fri 11 Apr 14

petsoundsnick says...

djdooza wrote:
If we sell Deeney we have first dibs on Assombalonga ;)
Can we please stop all this about Assombalonga.

For every jordan rhodes or rickie lambert your get a freddie eastwood or paddy madden. I.e. just because somebody is top scorer in league one, it does not mean they can cut it in The Championship.

Absolutely no guarantee he would work out at our level. The club - who are the supposed experts - clearly assumed this otherwise why would they have let him go?
[quote][p][bold]djdooza[/bold] wrote: If we sell Deeney we have first dibs on Assombalonga ;)[/p][/quote]Can we please stop all this about Assombalonga. For every jordan rhodes or rickie lambert your get a freddie eastwood or paddy madden. I.e. just because somebody is top scorer in league one, it does not mean they can cut it in The Championship. Absolutely no guarantee he would work out at our level. The club - who are the supposed experts - clearly assumed this otherwise why would they have let him go? petsoundsnick
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3:08pm Fri 11 Apr 14

gloryhornet4 says...

I don't think we will have the problem of what you buy as a replacement with the money that comes in from a big transfer. The structure is so much better now.

I still shudder at what was paid out for the Duke - helping to urinate up the wall all the Premier League money.
I don't think we will have the problem of what you buy as a replacement with the money that comes in from a big transfer. The structure is so much better now. I still shudder at what was paid out for the Duke - helping to urinate up the wall all the Premier League money. gloryhornet4
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3:09pm Fri 11 Apr 14

SuperHorns says...

petsoundsnick wrote:
djdooza wrote:
If we sell Deeney we have first dibs on Assombalonga ;)
Can we please stop all this about Assombalonga.

For every jordan rhodes or rickie lambert your get a freddie eastwood or paddy madden. I.e. just because somebody is top scorer in league one, it does not mean they can cut it in The Championship.

Absolutely no guarantee he would work out at our level. The club - who are the supposed experts - clearly assumed this otherwise why would they have let him go?
Surely your logic should then apply to Deeney making it in the Premier League.
There are no gurantees ever!
But if your making the right environment then those players generally will prosper.
We never gave Britt the right environment and same applies to Garner.
However that can change so have to accept it.
[quote][p][bold]petsoundsnick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djdooza[/bold] wrote: If we sell Deeney we have first dibs on Assombalonga ;)[/p][/quote]Can we please stop all this about Assombalonga. For every jordan rhodes or rickie lambert your get a freddie eastwood or paddy madden. I.e. just because somebody is top scorer in league one, it does not mean they can cut it in The Championship. Absolutely no guarantee he would work out at our level. The club - who are the supposed experts - clearly assumed this otherwise why would they have let him go?[/p][/quote]Surely your logic should then apply to Deeney making it in the Premier League. There are no gurantees ever! But if your making the right environment then those players generally will prosper. We never gave Britt the right environment and same applies to Garner. However that can change so have to accept it. SuperHorns
  • Score: 1

3:10pm Fri 11 Apr 14

big_doris says...

Shame the article ended with the old "time will ultimately tell" anti-climax of a conclusion. Decent weighing-up of the club's dilemma before that, though.
Shame the article ended with the old "time will ultimately tell" anti-climax of a conclusion. Decent weighing-up of the club's dilemma before that, though. big_doris
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3:36pm Fri 11 Apr 14

neilhorn says...

straightforward - keep him if we can afford to and he wants to stay. If the offer comes and its realistic and he wants to go - he'll go and all we can do is haggle over the small print then move on. He's done a good job for us, hardly ever injured and scored lots of goals, we can't expect to keep players if they get offers to better themselves financially, we just have to accept that
straightforward - keep him if we can afford to and he wants to stay. If the offer comes and its realistic and he wants to go - he'll go and all we can do is haggle over the small print then move on. He's done a good job for us, hardly ever injured and scored lots of goals, we can't expect to keep players if they get offers to better themselves financially, we just have to accept that neilhorn
  • Score: 16

3:43pm Fri 11 Apr 14

JohnnyHornet says...

Erm Deeney's not " home grown" he came from Walsall, but he has come on leaps and bounds since Danny Graham went, and if he had help up front earlier this season I suspect the total would already be near 30 for the season.
Erm Deeney's not " home grown" he came from Walsall, but he has come on leaps and bounds since Danny Graham went, and if he had help up front earlier this season I suspect the total would already be near 30 for the season. JohnnyHornet
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3:48pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Harry's Bar says...

If someone offers somewhere between six and eight million, depending on the Pozzo's valuation, he'll be sold. No one came in last Summer though, or in January, so what's really changed. I think it'll be to one of the promoted clubs if he does go, and like Soulful I think most likely Burnley. A bit gutting selling your best player to bloody Burnley though.
If someone offers somewhere between six and eight million, depending on the Pozzo's valuation, he'll be sold. No one came in last Summer though, or in January, so what's really changed. I think it'll be to one of the promoted clubs if he does go, and like Soulful I think most likely Burnley. A bit gutting selling your best player to bloody Burnley though. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 11

3:52pm Fri 11 Apr 14

andyhooked says...

Troy aint home grown. After a slow start he has come good. I hope he does not go for the cash because should he sign for a PL side he will just be a bit player as Vydra has been at WBA. STAY WITH US TROY!! You are loved and appreciated and perhaps next season you can get into the Prem with us.
Troy aint home grown. After a slow start he has come good. I hope he does not go for the cash because should he sign for a PL side he will just be a bit player as Vydra has been at WBA. STAY WITH US TROY!! You are loved and appreciated and perhaps next season you can get into the Prem with us. andyhooked
  • Score: 6

4:30pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Dutch Hornet says...

thehornet35 wrote:
I wonder if the 'homegrown' problem will raise his stock with the Pozzo's somewhat, an English player under contract. If we sell him, we may have to spend most of what we get on another Englishman, who probably isn't as good!
Deeney is not homegrown. He was bought from Walsall
[quote][p][bold]thehornet35[/bold] wrote: I wonder if the 'homegrown' problem will raise his stock with the Pozzo's somewhat, an English player under contract. If we sell him, we may have to spend most of what we get on another Englishman, who probably isn't as good![/p][/quote]Deeney is not homegrown. He was bought from Walsall Dutch Hornet
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5:00pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Gazzathehorn says...

JohnnyHornet wrote:
Erm Deeney's not " home grown" he came from Walsall, but he has come on leaps and bounds since Danny Graham went, and if he had help up front earlier this season I suspect the total would already be near 30 for the season.
Last time I looked, Walsall was a Northern town in England.. ..unless you're thinking of Warsaw....whcih isn't.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: Erm Deeney's not " home grown" he came from Walsall, but he has come on leaps and bounds since Danny Graham went, and if he had help up front earlier this season I suspect the total would already be near 30 for the season.[/p][/quote]Last time I looked, Walsall was a Northern town in England.. ..unless you're thinking of Warsaw....whcih isn't. Gazzathehorn
  • Score: 7

5:07pm Fri 11 Apr 14

cityhorn says...

Troy could become a Watford legend if he chooses to stay next year and scores 20 goals again. I wonder if this will affect his thinking.
Troy could become a Watford legend if he chooses to stay next year and scores 20 goals again. I wonder if this will affect his thinking. cityhorn
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5:09pm Fri 11 Apr 14

allgood says...

Dutch Hornet wrote:
thehornet35 wrote:
I wonder if the 'homegrown' problem will raise his stock with the Pozzo's somewhat, an English player under contract. If we sell him, we may have to spend most of what we get on another Englishman, who probably isn't as good!
Deeney is not homegrown. He was bought from Walsall
In this day and age and in the context of the article I think home grown means British because the rules require a certain amount of Brits in the matchday squad.
[quote][p][bold]Dutch Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thehornet35[/bold] wrote: I wonder if the 'homegrown' problem will raise his stock with the Pozzo's somewhat, an English player under contract. If we sell him, we may have to spend most of what we get on another Englishman, who probably isn't as good![/p][/quote]Deeney is not homegrown. He was bought from Walsall[/p][/quote]In this day and age and in the context of the article I think home grown means British because the rules require a certain amount of Brits in the matchday squad. allgood
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5:11pm Fri 11 Apr 14

bristol hornet says...

Yet another good article Frank, that is several you have written recently.

As for Deeney, keep him, give him a good wage rise, and watch him and Vydra shoot us to the Prem next season.
Yet another good article Frank, that is several you have written recently. As for Deeney, keep him, give him a good wage rise, and watch him and Vydra shoot us to the Prem next season. bristol hornet
  • Score: 20

5:16pm Fri 11 Apr 14

mellow yellow says...

Gazzathehorn wrote:
JohnnyHornet wrote:
Erm Deeney's not " home grown" he came from Walsall, but he has come on leaps and bounds since Danny Graham went, and if he had help up front earlier this season I suspect the total would already be near 30 for the season.
Last time I looked, Walsall was a Northern town in England.. ..unless you're thinking of Warsaw....whcih isn't.
Maybe you need to look more closely. It's a midlands town.
[quote][p][bold]Gazzathehorn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: Erm Deeney's not " home grown" he came from Walsall, but he has come on leaps and bounds since Danny Graham went, and if he had help up front earlier this season I suspect the total would already be near 30 for the season.[/p][/quote]Last time I looked, Walsall was a Northern town in England.. ..unless you're thinking of Warsaw....whcih isn't.[/p][/quote]Maybe you need to look more closely. It's a midlands town. mellow yellow
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5:17pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Bolton's Boots says...

For those of you saying that Deeney is not 'home grown', have a look at the Football League's Rule number 33.8 - he most definitely is. One of the problems with selling him at the end of this season could be that he would have to be replaced by another home grown player and not another 'overseas' loan - otherwise we would be getting a bit close to not meeting the requirement for seven in the match day squad. I think we currently have eight, but suspect that three of those won't be around next season.
For those of you saying that Deeney is not 'home grown', have a look at the Football League's Rule number 33.8 - he most definitely is. One of the problems with selling him at the end of this season could be that he would have to be replaced by another home grown player and not another 'overseas' loan - otherwise we would be getting a bit close to not meeting the requirement for seven in the match day squad. I think we currently have eight, but suspect that three of those won't be around next season. Bolton's Boots
  • Score: 14

6:03pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Hairy Hornet says...

cityhorn wrote:
Troy could become a Watford legend if he chooses to stay next year and scores 20 goals again. I wonder if this will affect his thinking.
He already is!!!
[quote][p][bold]cityhorn[/bold] wrote: Troy could become a Watford legend if he chooses to stay next year and scores 20 goals again. I wonder if this will affect his thinking.[/p][/quote]He already is!!! Hairy Hornet
  • Score: 5

6:43pm Fri 11 Apr 14

grahamwfc says...

Convince Di Natalie to have a season in England, pay Troy silly money to stay, convince Fessi to stay and get another striker in, I have no problem with Britt, Super Dan, Sordell or Vydra if it's a permanent deal and give it a real go next season. As we have already seen a midfield with the Tazer and Almen is one to purr over and Pudil, Riera, hopefully, Farionni and Anya give plenty of cover wide. Angella and Hoban should be good enough to cover the lesser Ekstrand or Cassetti and I'm happy with Bond if, as seems likely, Almuniah has his last season in Spain ( certainly implied last Monday on 3 CR sports programme). That alone gives us just about the requisite homegrown players with Murray and Wood.
Convince Di Natalie to have a season in England, pay Troy silly money to stay, convince Fessi to stay and get another striker in, I have no problem with Britt, Super Dan, Sordell or Vydra if it's a permanent deal and give it a real go next season. As we have already seen a midfield with the Tazer and Almen is one to purr over and Pudil, Riera, hopefully, Farionni and Anya give plenty of cover wide. Angella and Hoban should be good enough to cover the lesser Ekstrand or Cassetti and I'm happy with Bond if, as seems likely, Almuniah has his last season in Spain ( certainly implied last Monday on 3 CR sports programme). That alone gives us just about the requisite homegrown players with Murray and Wood. grahamwfc
  • Score: 5

6:45pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Rover says...

I say sell at the right price. £6m+ should do it. Sell now before all the new Financial rules come in, as a lot of clubs wont have the cash to splash like they have now.
I say sell at the right price. £6m+ should do it. Sell now before all the new Financial rules come in, as a lot of clubs wont have the cash to splash like they have now. The Rover
  • Score: 2

7:45pm Fri 11 Apr 14

HertsPeter says...

Everyone here seems to have a short memory. Deeney was very - very - lucky to have kept his job when the club stood by him a couple of years back. Surely he owes this club his very career, including the opportunity to have improved so much over the last couple of seasons, and should be ending any speculation by saying he will be glad to stay at Watford FC as long as they wish to keep him!!!?
Everyone here seems to have a short memory. Deeney was very - very - lucky to have kept his job when the club stood by him a couple of years back. Surely he owes this club his very career, including the opportunity to have improved so much over the last couple of seasons, and should be ending any speculation by saying he will be glad to stay at Watford FC as long as they wish to keep him!!!? HertsPeter
  • Score: -7

7:49pm Fri 11 Apr 14

only5foot3 says...

Most be the top striker in championship over last 2 seasons. Personally like to see him stay another year. Expect leicester and burnley to show an interest
Most be the top striker in championship over last 2 seasons. Personally like to see him stay another year. Expect leicester and burnley to show an interest only5foot3
  • Score: 5

7:56pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Oldhorn says...

I can hear the phone call now.

"Hi Troy. Fancy giving it a go in the Prem up here in Burnley? We've worked together before after all",

If the Pozzos get a good offer, they've already stated they won't stand in anyone's way, and if it's a good business deal, he'll go.

I'd be sorry to see him leave, but wouldn't begrudge him his shot at the big time.

Oh. By the way. Vydra's contract expires at the end if this season. Wouldn't be a bad replacement.
I can hear the phone call now. "Hi Troy. Fancy giving it a go in the Prem up here in Burnley? We've worked together before after all", If the Pozzos get a good offer, they've already stated they won't stand in anyone's way, and if it's a good business deal, he'll go. I'd be sorry to see him leave, but wouldn't begrudge him his shot at the big time. Oh. By the way. Vydra's contract expires at the end if this season. Wouldn't be a bad replacement. Oldhorn
  • Score: 5

8:38pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Emmer Green Hornet says...

HertsPeter wrote:
Everyone here seems to have a short memory. Deeney was very - very - lucky to have kept his job when the club stood by him a couple of years back. Surely he owes this club his very career, including the opportunity to have improved so much over the last couple of seasons, and should be ending any speculation by saying he will be glad to stay at Watford FC as long as they wish to keep him!!!?
Since then he has banged in 40+ goals and hardly missed a match. How much 'payback' does the poor bloke have to give????
[quote][p][bold]HertsPeter[/bold] wrote: Everyone here seems to have a short memory. Deeney was very - very - lucky to have kept his job when the club stood by him a couple of years back. Surely he owes this club his very career, including the opportunity to have improved so much over the last couple of seasons, and should be ending any speculation by saying he will be glad to stay at Watford FC as long as they wish to keep him!!!?[/p][/quote]Since then he has banged in 40+ goals and hardly missed a match. How much 'payback' does the poor bloke have to give???? Emmer Green Hornet
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8:53pm Fri 11 Apr 14

David:-) says...

Deeney + Vydra = successful
Deeney - Vydra = successful
Vydra - Deeney = unsuccessful

If Deeney were to leave I'm not sure Vydra would be my first choice replacement.
Deeney + Vydra = successful Deeney - Vydra = successful Vydra - Deeney = unsuccessful If Deeney were to leave I'm not sure Vydra would be my first choice replacement. David:-)
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11:56pm Fri 11 Apr 14

SuperHorn says...

Would absolutely love him to stay and we need him but he does deserve to play at the top level in my opinion. I imagine he will stay at least 1 more season but if he wants to go then we shouldn't block his way
Would absolutely love him to stay and we need him but he does deserve to play at the top level in my opinion. I imagine he will stay at least 1 more season but if he wants to go then we shouldn't block his way SuperHorn
  • Score: 1

12:39am Sat 12 Apr 14

lockerbiehornet says...

petsoundsnick wrote:
djdooza wrote:
If we sell Deeney we have first dibs on Assombalonga ;)
Can we please stop all this about Assombalonga.

For every jordan rhodes or rickie lambert your get a freddie eastwood or paddy madden. I.e. just because somebody is top scorer in league one, it does not mean they can cut it in The Championship.

Absolutely no guarantee he would work out at our level. The club - who are the supposed experts - clearly assumed this otherwise why would they have let him go?
I think Joe Garner would be a good example of your poiint
[quote][p][bold]petsoundsnick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djdooza[/bold] wrote: If we sell Deeney we have first dibs on Assombalonga ;)[/p][/quote]Can we please stop all this about Assombalonga. For every jordan rhodes or rickie lambert your get a freddie eastwood or paddy madden. I.e. just because somebody is top scorer in league one, it does not mean they can cut it in The Championship. Absolutely no guarantee he would work out at our level. The club - who are the supposed experts - clearly assumed this otherwise why would they have let him go?[/p][/quote]I think Joe Garner would be a good example of your poiint lockerbiehornet
  • Score: 3

1:15am Sat 12 Apr 14

the jesterwestport says...

Pre pozzo troy would have been flogged for £1:5 so in my view Glass half full something else to ponder over troy has already scored more thus season thanlast without abdi and chalobaoh playing in precise balls so one would have to say a gr8 season for a real watford hero!! All the negatives the pozzos receive from outsiders they have given us hero's. Deeney anya fessi and abdi a legend already plus angella will be next.. The future is bright... The future is yellow!!!!
Pre pozzo troy would have been flogged for £1:5 so in my view Glass half full something else to ponder over troy has already scored more thus season thanlast without abdi and chalobaoh playing in precise balls so one would have to say a gr8 season for a real watford hero!! All the negatives the pozzos receive from outsiders they have given us hero's. Deeney anya fessi and abdi a legend already plus angella will be next.. The future is bright... The future is yellow!!!! the jesterwestport
  • Score: 2

3:57am Sat 12 Apr 14

Chris the Vic says...

What a strange and ill conceived article. The basic premise is that the Pozzos develop and sell young players.

Now before I start I would emphasise that what I have seen so far of the Pozzos they are arguably the best thing that has happened to WFC since Elton and GT. They got it wrong over Dyche and quite possibly Vydra but they have got many more things right than wrong.

History on the Pozzos tells us that they like to build clubs and get them into the top division of their country using a sound business strategy. They build teams to be competitive and part of the strategy is to sell players for profit without diminishing the team and certainly not without a good replacement.

If Troy goes to a premier team he will struggle, he will play less football and warm the bench. Vydra who was worth more than Troy last year was loaned to WBA because of his greedy agent. The Pozzos allowed this.

Vydra has played little first team football, no longer makes the headlines and is most probably rueing the day he went to WBA to warm the bench in a team struggling to avoid relegation. His transfer value has not been enhanced and one suspects another year with WFC his value could well have soared and so might the team.

Players mentioned who made it like Mike Williamson.. went to Pompey and his career stalled..he did not play and only when they went into financial meltdown was he moved onto Newcastle where he is playing a reasonable amount. Tommy Smith also in one move went to Pompey was a bit player etc.

If Deeney wants the most success he should stay and help make it happen at WFC with the backing of the Pozzos. Ricky Lambert's path is perhaps, for players like Troy, the way to go.

So thanks for the deep thoughts and the conundrum Frank but were you really short of a story or just being an irritating so and so?
What a strange and ill conceived article. The basic premise is that the Pozzos develop and sell young players. Now before I start I would emphasise that what I have seen so far of the Pozzos they are arguably the best thing that has happened to WFC since Elton and GT. They got it wrong over Dyche and quite possibly Vydra but they have got many more things right than wrong. History on the Pozzos tells us that they like to build clubs and get them into the top division of their country using a sound business strategy. They build teams to be competitive and part of the strategy is to sell players for profit without diminishing the team and certainly not without a good replacement. If Troy goes to a premier team he will struggle, he will play less football and warm the bench. Vydra who was worth more than Troy last year was loaned to WBA because of his greedy agent. The Pozzos allowed this. Vydra has played little first team football, no longer makes the headlines and is most probably rueing the day he went to WBA to warm the bench in a team struggling to avoid relegation. His transfer value has not been enhanced and one suspects another year with WFC his value could well have soared and so might the team. Players mentioned who made it like Mike Williamson.. went to Pompey and his career stalled..he did not play and only when they went into financial meltdown was he moved onto Newcastle where he is playing a reasonable amount. Tommy Smith also in one move went to Pompey was a bit player etc. If Deeney wants the most success he should stay and help make it happen at WFC with the backing of the Pozzos. Ricky Lambert's path is perhaps, for players like Troy, the way to go. So thanks for the deep thoughts and the conundrum Frank but were you really short of a story or just being an irritating so and so? Chris the Vic
  • Score: -10

8:53am Sat 12 Apr 14

Lsheridanos says...

Personally I think he will go to a prem club pre season and why not he has paid us back for sticking by him with 42 goals so far.. I'm sure he would love to stay with us but if we don't go up this season he can't be blamed.. In the real world How many of us would seriously turn down the chance to work for a bigger company and earn double the amount you earn now???? If he choses to stay then think he will re assess in jean and if we're flying he will stay if not he will go... As for a replacement can see us paying £2.5m ( only pay £1.25m due to the 50% sell on clause) he will be our main man with fessi and pos vydra as support with some unknown kid from udinese as back up.. Feel we will give bond a chance to step up and hopefully have decent back up.

Feel with the mistakes we made this year we will have learnt from them and potentially have a squad next year that will be by far the best watford squad since the 80s all built around the likes of abdi tozser Angela!
Personally I think he will go to a prem club pre season and why not he has paid us back for sticking by him with 42 goals so far.. I'm sure he would love to stay with us but if we don't go up this season he can't be blamed.. In the real world How many of us would seriously turn down the chance to work for a bigger company and earn double the amount you earn now???? If he choses to stay then think he will re assess in jean and if we're flying he will stay if not he will go... As for a replacement can see us paying £2.5m ( only pay £1.25m due to the 50% sell on clause) he will be our main man with fessi and pos vydra as support with some unknown kid from udinese as back up.. Feel we will give bond a chance to step up and hopefully have decent back up. Feel with the mistakes we made this year we will have learnt from them and potentially have a squad next year that will be by far the best watford squad since the 80s all built around the likes of abdi tozser Angela! Lsheridanos
  • Score: 1

10:35am Sat 12 Apr 14

mellow yellow says...

Lsheridanos wrote:
Personally I think he will go to a prem club pre season and why not he has paid us back for sticking by him with 42 goals so far.. I'm sure he would love to stay with us but if we don't go up this season he can't be blamed.. In the real world How many of us would seriously turn down the chance to work for a bigger company and earn double the amount you earn now???? If he choses to stay then think he will re assess in jean and if we're flying he will stay if not he will go... As for a replacement can see us paying £2.5m ( only pay £1.25m due to the 50% sell on clause) he will be our main man with fessi and pos vydra as support with some unknown kid from udinese as back up.. Feel we will give bond a chance to step up and hopefully have decent back up.

Feel with the mistakes we made this year we will have learnt from them and potentially have a squad next year that will be by far the best watford squad since the 80s all built around the likes of abdi tozser Angela!
Its an interesting one for Deeney himself, as he needs to ponder the reality of a move to the top flight. In all likelihood he would find himself at a Bolton six club, with a strong risk of being back in the championship the following season. Of course, that would be on a greatly enhanced contract, with the potential for staying in the top flight with another club if he impresses. My concerns would be his goal return for a prem team. Is he likely to get many chances per match? If he truly feels we are prem bound he might well be advised to stay, but equally he may choose to opt for one if the relegated prem teams, on a lot more money, in a division he knows well, with the strong chance of promotion with them next season. But Watford could go up, and he stays where he is!

It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up at a club like Palace next season. I reckon we'd take anything over five mill, with sell ons and possibly even a first refusal clause. Whatever happens, good luck to the bloke.
[quote][p][bold]Lsheridanos[/bold] wrote: Personally I think he will go to a prem club pre season and why not he has paid us back for sticking by him with 42 goals so far.. I'm sure he would love to stay with us but if we don't go up this season he can't be blamed.. In the real world How many of us would seriously turn down the chance to work for a bigger company and earn double the amount you earn now???? If he choses to stay then think he will re assess in jean and if we're flying he will stay if not he will go... As for a replacement can see us paying £2.5m ( only pay £1.25m due to the 50% sell on clause) he will be our main man with fessi and pos vydra as support with some unknown kid from udinese as back up.. Feel we will give bond a chance to step up and hopefully have decent back up. Feel with the mistakes we made this year we will have learnt from them and potentially have a squad next year that will be by far the best watford squad since the 80s all built around the likes of abdi tozser Angela![/p][/quote]Its an interesting one for Deeney himself, as he needs to ponder the reality of a move to the top flight. In all likelihood he would find himself at a Bolton six club, with a strong risk of being back in the championship the following season. Of course, that would be on a greatly enhanced contract, with the potential for staying in the top flight with another club if he impresses. My concerns would be his goal return for a prem team. Is he likely to get many chances per match? If he truly feels we are prem bound he might well be advised to stay, but equally he may choose to opt for one if the relegated prem teams, on a lot more money, in a division he knows well, with the strong chance of promotion with them next season. But Watford could go up, and he stays where he is! It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up at a club like Palace next season. I reckon we'd take anything over five mill, with sell ons and possibly even a first refusal clause. Whatever happens, good luck to the bloke. mellow yellow
  • Score: 3

11:58am Sat 12 Apr 14

ORBY says...

Think back to when we were interested in signing him from Walsall. They refused to let us talk to him and he went on strike and made it clear he wanted to move. If my memory serves me right we paid, with add ons, £500k. If we sell him we will have to pay Walsall a fee of 15%. He is not ready for the Premier yet, so sit him down and talk to him to find out what he wants. We don't have to sell and if he keeps on improving, we will go up and if TD is on board it will set us up.
Think back to when we were interested in signing him from Walsall. They refused to let us talk to him and he went on strike and made it clear he wanted to move. If my memory serves me right we paid, with add ons, £500k. If we sell him we will have to pay Walsall a fee of 15%. He is not ready for the Premier yet, so sit him down and talk to him to find out what he wants. We don't have to sell and if he keeps on improving, we will go up and if TD is on board it will set us up. ORBY
  • Score: 2

2:31pm Sat 12 Apr 14

corbindallas says...

I have been saying this for a long time when people bang on about getting someone (Vydra) in to pair up with him, he could just as easily leave us this summer and at the end of the day it is not loyalty that talks it is money and I would not hold that against him, he has saved the club from relegation and also contributed to near promotion you cannot say he has not paid us back after his prison stin and remember a lot of us wanted him sacked for nothing then to! If he stays it would be good we still need that pacey addition to support him, if he goes we need Nani et all in charge to support us for a team that is capable of promotion.
I have been saying this for a long time when people bang on about getting someone (Vydra) in to pair up with him, he could just as easily leave us this summer and at the end of the day it is not loyalty that talks it is money and I would not hold that against him, he has saved the club from relegation and also contributed to near promotion you cannot say he has not paid us back after his prison stin and remember a lot of us wanted him sacked for nothing then to! If he stays it would be good we still need that pacey addition to support him, if he goes we need Nani et all in charge to support us for a team that is capable of promotion. corbindallas
  • Score: 1

5:44pm Sat 12 Apr 14

neil-bs says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
If someone offers somewhere between six and eight million, depending on the Pozzo's valuation, he'll be sold. No one came in last Summer though, or in January, so what's really changed. I think it'll be to one of the promoted clubs if he does go, and like Soulful I think most likely Burnley. A bit gutting selling your best player to bloody Burnley though.
Bloody brilliant Burnley I think you mean, not forgetting Super Dyche.
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: If someone offers somewhere between six and eight million, depending on the Pozzo's valuation, he'll be sold. No one came in last Summer though, or in January, so what's really changed. I think it'll be to one of the promoted clubs if he does go, and like Soulful I think most likely Burnley. A bit gutting selling your best player to bloody Burnley though.[/p][/quote]Bloody brilliant Burnley I think you mean, not forgetting Super Dyche. neil-bs
  • Score: 2

9:14pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Michael Sills says...

I would like Troy to stay, what we need to do is sort the defence out, too many late goals conceded, I think Bond will be number one next season.
I would like Troy to stay, what we need to do is sort the defence out, too many late goals conceded, I think Bond will be number one next season. Michael Sills
  • Score: 0

4:49am Thu 17 Apr 14

PozzoHornet says...

grahamwfc wrote:
Convince Di Natalie to have a season in England, pay Troy silly money to stay, convince Fessi to stay and get another striker in, I have no problem with Britt, Super Dan, Sordell or Vydra if it's a permanent deal and give it a real go next season. As we have already seen a midfield with the Tazer and Almen is one to purr over and Pudil, Riera, hopefully, Farionni and Anya give plenty of cover wide. Angella and Hoban should be good enough to cover the lesser Ekstrand or Cassetti and I'm happy with Bond if, as seems likely, Almuniah has his last season in Spain ( certainly implied last Monday on 3 CR sports programme). That alone gives us just about the requisite homegrown players with Murray and Wood.
You're surely having a laugh, right? Di Natale is retiring and would never retire with anyone but Udinese. He turned down Juve and Milan when Milan were good; he's not gonna come to Watford. Convince Fessi to stay? He still has more than 4 years on that 5 and half year contract he signed last season and loves the club almost as much as Lloyd. No convincing to be done. No other striker needed. If we sign Ranegie, which I think we will, he is a perfectly competent back up, plus we have Ikpeazu, Mensah and next season Jakubiak to serve as emergency back ups should one of them not be on loan during an injury crisis, not to mention Anya's capability to play upfront. Personally, I think Cassetti playing in the middle is class, as his lack of pace is not as open to exploitation as it is when he plays LCB (another tactical masterclass from the wonderful Sannino btw). Regarding homegrown players, we have:-

As potential starters:
Deeney
Anya
Murray
Doyley
McGugan
Hoban
Bond

And as potential subs:
Brown (if he stays)
Ikpeazu
Mensah
Jakubiak (if signed next season)
O'Nien
Woods
Byers (if signed next season)
Johnson (if signed next season
Nosworthy (if he stays)
Hall (if he stays)

As you can see, our players far exceed the number of homegrowns needed.
[quote][p][bold]grahamwfc[/bold] wrote: Convince Di Natalie to have a season in England, pay Troy silly money to stay, convince Fessi to stay and get another striker in, I have no problem with Britt, Super Dan, Sordell or Vydra if it's a permanent deal and give it a real go next season. As we have already seen a midfield with the Tazer and Almen is one to purr over and Pudil, Riera, hopefully, Farionni and Anya give plenty of cover wide. Angella and Hoban should be good enough to cover the lesser Ekstrand or Cassetti and I'm happy with Bond if, as seems likely, Almuniah has his last season in Spain ( certainly implied last Monday on 3 CR sports programme). That alone gives us just about the requisite homegrown players with Murray and Wood.[/p][/quote]You're surely having a laugh, right? Di Natale is retiring and would never retire with anyone but Udinese. He turned down Juve and Milan when Milan were good; he's not gonna come to Watford. Convince Fessi to stay? He still has more than 4 years on that 5 and half year contract he signed last season and loves the club almost as much as Lloyd. No convincing to be done. No other striker needed. If we sign Ranegie, which I think we will, he is a perfectly competent back up, plus we have Ikpeazu, Mensah and next season Jakubiak to serve as emergency back ups should one of them not be on loan during an injury crisis, not to mention Anya's capability to play upfront. Personally, I think Cassetti playing in the middle is class, as his lack of pace is not as open to exploitation as it is when he plays LCB (another tactical masterclass from the wonderful Sannino btw). Regarding homegrown players, we have:- As potential starters: Deeney Anya Murray Doyley McGugan Hoban Bond And as potential subs: Brown (if he stays) Ikpeazu Mensah Jakubiak (if signed next season) O'Nien Woods Byers (if signed next season) Johnson (if signed next season Nosworthy (if he stays) Hall (if he stays) As you can see, our players far exceed the number of homegrowns needed. PozzoHornet
  • Score: 1

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