Hornets fan Charlie Doris believes keeping Luke O’Nien at Watford would show the club are still committed to their Academy

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Beppe Sannino has said in the past that Luke O’Nien “lives his life for Watford”. So it can’t be easy for the young midfielder as he waits to find out if the Hornets will offer him new deal.

From my own experience, O’Nien conducts himself incredibly well and is someone, as an Academy product, the club should be proud of.

He obviously has an emotional attachment with Watford. However, if caring for the club was all that mattered then everyone in the Rookery would have had a stint with the Hornets.

Sentiment doesn’t have much bearing in football and it’s still to be seen if the young prospect can deliver on the pitch.

Personally, I hope O’Nien does get another deal with Watford. Not just because he’s a likeable personality but because his presence paves the way for more Academy graduates to actually ‘make it’ at the club.

As we know, the Harefield Academy partnership with Watford was, and still is, a pioneering system which for a long time was the envy of many clubs.

In the past, the long term stability of Watford was based on the success of the Academy.

And our academy graduates should continue to be at the core of the club - just in case our current, seemingly reliable, owners decide to leave and take with them important members of our squad.

O’Nien’s possible departure wouldn’t mean the end for our scholars coming through but it may start an unfortunate trend of talented youngsters failing to make the grade due to an overcrowded Hornets squad.

And what a waste it would be for our Academy scheme to go to waste. It’s sad to think Luke and many others may not get their chance and the Academy could lose its influence.

Keeping O’Nien adds another young home grown prospect to the playing squad and would, once again, fully endorse the functionality of the Academy.

I hope O’Nien doesn’t become yet another Academy statistic and goes on to make a genuine impression at the club.

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12:47pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Surbiton says...

Having met the lad on several occasions I can only endorse the above comments. He is a shining example of the sort of player this club needs both for now and our future. Yes he has to rise to the challenge of our foreign imports but firstly he has to be given the opportunity. Like many supporters I will watch the outcome with intense interest. Action speaks louder than mere words messers Beppe/ Nani.
Having met the lad on several occasions I can only endorse the above comments. He is a shining example of the sort of player this club needs both for now and our future. Yes he has to rise to the challenge of our foreign imports but firstly he has to be given the opportunity. Like many supporters I will watch the outcome with intense interest. Action speaks louder than mere words messers Beppe/ Nani. Surbiton
  • Score: 23

2:18pm Wed 2 Apr 14

ramage1996 says...

How many times have you seen him play?

He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal.

O'Nien isnt up to our standard.
How many times have you seen him play? He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal. O'Nien isnt up to our standard. ramage1996
  • Score: -8

2:37pm Wed 2 Apr 14

babyhornet says...

ramage1996 wrote:
How many times have you seen him play?

He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal.

O'Nien isnt up to our standard.
I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: How many times have you seen him play? He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal. O'Nien isnt up to our standard.[/p][/quote]I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3. babyhornet
  • Score: 13

2:38pm Wed 2 Apr 14

MKgloryHorn says...

Agree on the above comments, he's no better than what we already have at the club, no point in just giving him a deal "cos he's a nice lad". The coaches at the club will see him train and play in reserve/academy matches far more than any of us fans, we have to trust their judgment.
Agree on the above comments, he's no better than what we already have at the club, no point in just giving him a deal "cos he's a nice lad". The coaches at the club will see him train and play in reserve/academy matches far more than any of us fans, we have to trust their judgment. MKgloryHorn
  • Score: 2

2:48pm Wed 2 Apr 14

babyhornet says...

Fans regularly complain that the players care more about the money than the club. Luke is not like this! He would happily play for nothing if he could, he simply wants to play. How many people have complained about how lazy McGugan is? Well Luke is one of the first to arrive for training and always stays out working on his technique for an hour or so. He also helps load and unload the kit into the coach on match days.
Fans regularly complain that the players care more about the money than the club. Luke is not like this! He would happily play for nothing if he could, he simply wants to play. How many people have complained about how lazy McGugan is? Well Luke is one of the first to arrive for training and always stays out working on his technique for an hour or so. He also helps load and unload the kit into the coach on match days. babyhornet
  • Score: 11

2:52pm Wed 2 Apr 14

ramage1996 says...

babyhornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
How many times have you seen him play?

He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal.

O'Nien isnt up to our standard.
I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.
He does not have as much talent as Murray, Assombalonga or Hoban, im sorry mate but that is simply not right.

Hence, the three above have in Murray's turned down Man City to sign a pro deal with us and just been awarded the Irish young player of the year for his superb performances for their u21, Assombalonga was sold for 1.5 mill and has scored loads of goals for Peterborough and Hoban is the best young centre back from our youth team I have ever seen, can you think of a better centre back youth team centre back? I cant.

O'Nien is not in that league and that s why he has only played two minutes for us and is on trial elsewhere.

I have seen him at u18 and reserve level, if you think he is as good as the players you named I suggest you do not think about a career in scouting.
[quote][p][bold]babyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: How many times have you seen him play? He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal. O'Nien isnt up to our standard.[/p][/quote]I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.[/p][/quote]He does not have as much talent as Murray, Assombalonga or Hoban, im sorry mate but that is simply not right. Hence, the three above have in Murray's turned down Man City to sign a pro deal with us and just been awarded the Irish young player of the year for his superb performances for their u21, Assombalonga was sold for 1.5 mill and has scored loads of goals for Peterborough and Hoban is the best young centre back from our youth team I have ever seen, can you think of a better centre back youth team centre back? I cant. O'Nien is not in that league and that s why he has only played two minutes for us and is on trial elsewhere. I have seen him at u18 and reserve level, if you think he is as good as the players you named I suggest you do not think about a career in scouting. ramage1996
  • Score: 3

2:58pm Wed 2 Apr 14

ramage1996 says...

babyhornet wrote:
Fans regularly complain that the players care more about the money than the club. Luke is not like this! He would happily play for nothing if he could, he simply wants to play. How many people have complained about how lazy McGugan is? Well Luke is one of the first to arrive for training and always stays out working on his technique for an hour or so. He also helps load and unload the kit into the coach on match days.
Can I ask if you know Luke O'Nien?

Your posts on here ind of suggest you do..

He looked pretty decent to me and like you said is a versatile player with a seemingly very good attitude so he will no doubt have a career in the game.
[quote][p][bold]babyhornet[/bold] wrote: Fans regularly complain that the players care more about the money than the club. Luke is not like this! He would happily play for nothing if he could, he simply wants to play. How many people have complained about how lazy McGugan is? Well Luke is one of the first to arrive for training and always stays out working on his technique for an hour or so. He also helps load and unload the kit into the coach on match days.[/p][/quote]Can I ask if you know Luke O'Nien? Your posts on here ind of suggest you do.. He looked pretty decent to me and like you said is a versatile player with a seemingly very good attitude so he will no doubt have a career in the game. ramage1996
  • Score: 0

3:20pm Wed 2 Apr 14

babyhornet says...

ramage1996 wrote:
babyhornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
How many times have you seen him play?

He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal.

O'Nien isnt up to our standard.
I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.
He does not have as much talent as Murray, Assombalonga or Hoban, im sorry mate but that is simply not right.

Hence, the three above have in Murray's turned down Man City to sign a pro deal with us and just been awarded the Irish young player of the year for his superb performances for their u21, Assombalonga was sold for 1.5 mill and has scored loads of goals for Peterborough and Hoban is the best young centre back from our youth team I have ever seen, can you think of a better centre back youth team centre back? I cant.

O'Nien is not in that league and that s why he has only played two minutes for us and is on trial elsewhere.

I have seen him at u18 and reserve level, if you think he is as good as the players you named I suggest you do not think about a career in scouting.
I deliberately said that he has as much talent as those players when they were at the same point in their careers. Britt, Tommie and Sean had shone in the youth team and earned a deal before developing to where they are now. I would put money on Luke doing the same at what ever club he joins.

As for knwing him, I dont know him outside of football, but I watch him train and play as well as talking to him after games.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]babyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: How many times have you seen him play? He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal. O'Nien isnt up to our standard.[/p][/quote]I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.[/p][/quote]He does not have as much talent as Murray, Assombalonga or Hoban, im sorry mate but that is simply not right. Hence, the three above have in Murray's turned down Man City to sign a pro deal with us and just been awarded the Irish young player of the year for his superb performances for their u21, Assombalonga was sold for 1.5 mill and has scored loads of goals for Peterborough and Hoban is the best young centre back from our youth team I have ever seen, can you think of a better centre back youth team centre back? I cant. O'Nien is not in that league and that s why he has only played two minutes for us and is on trial elsewhere. I have seen him at u18 and reserve level, if you think he is as good as the players you named I suggest you do not think about a career in scouting.[/p][/quote]I deliberately said that he has as much talent as those players when they were at the same point in their careers. Britt, Tommie and Sean had shone in the youth team and earned a deal before developing to where they are now. I would put money on Luke doing the same at what ever club he joins. As for knwing him, I dont know him outside of football, but I watch him train and play as well as talking to him after games. babyhornet
  • Score: 4

3:33pm Wed 2 Apr 14

bristol hornet says...

I think the 89% vote in favour of O'Nien being given a new contract tells you everything you need to know about the fans views of this promising young lad.
I think the 89% vote in favour of O'Nien being given a new contract tells you everything you need to know about the fans views of this promising young lad. bristol hornet
  • Score: 10

3:43pm Wed 2 Apr 14

ramage1996 says...

babyhornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
babyhornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
How many times have you seen him play?

He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal.

O'Nien isnt up to our standard.
I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.
He does not have as much talent as Murray, Assombalonga or Hoban, im sorry mate but that is simply not right.

Hence, the three above have in Murray's turned down Man City to sign a pro deal with us and just been awarded the Irish young player of the year for his superb performances for their u21, Assombalonga was sold for 1.5 mill and has scored loads of goals for Peterborough and Hoban is the best young centre back from our youth team I have ever seen, can you think of a better centre back youth team centre back? I cant.

O'Nien is not in that league and that s why he has only played two minutes for us and is on trial elsewhere.

I have seen him at u18 and reserve level, if you think he is as good as the players you named I suggest you do not think about a career in scouting.
I deliberately said that he has as much talent as those players when they were at the same point in their careers. Britt, Tommie and Sean had shone in the youth team and earned a deal before developing to where they are now. I would put money on Luke doing the same at what ever club he joins.

As for knwing him, I dont know him outside of football, but I watch him train and play as well as talking to him after games.
Well yes, you said you watch him at behind closed doors friendlies and in training so it kind of indicated you know him.

I hope he does well, I respect your opinion whoever you are but for me he needs to move down a level, he will be 20 at the start of next season he needs to play now.
[quote][p][bold]babyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]babyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: How many times have you seen him play? He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal. O'Nien isnt up to our standard.[/p][/quote]I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.[/p][/quote]He does not have as much talent as Murray, Assombalonga or Hoban, im sorry mate but that is simply not right. Hence, the three above have in Murray's turned down Man City to sign a pro deal with us and just been awarded the Irish young player of the year for his superb performances for their u21, Assombalonga was sold for 1.5 mill and has scored loads of goals for Peterborough and Hoban is the best young centre back from our youth team I have ever seen, can you think of a better centre back youth team centre back? I cant. O'Nien is not in that league and that s why he has only played two minutes for us and is on trial elsewhere. I have seen him at u18 and reserve level, if you think he is as good as the players you named I suggest you do not think about a career in scouting.[/p][/quote]I deliberately said that he has as much talent as those players when they were at the same point in their careers. Britt, Tommie and Sean had shone in the youth team and earned a deal before developing to where they are now. I would put money on Luke doing the same at what ever club he joins. As for knwing him, I dont know him outside of football, but I watch him train and play as well as talking to him after games.[/p][/quote]Well yes, you said you watch him at behind closed doors friendlies and in training so it kind of indicated you know him. I hope he does well, I respect your opinion whoever you are but for me he needs to move down a level, he will be 20 at the start of next season he needs to play now. ramage1996
  • Score: -1

3:44pm Wed 2 Apr 14

PozzoHornet says...

babyhornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
babyhornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
How many times have you seen him play?

He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal.

O'Nien isnt up to our standard.
I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.
He does not have as much talent as Murray, Assombalonga or Hoban, im sorry mate but that is simply not right.

Hence, the three above have in Murray's turned down Man City to sign a pro deal with us and just been awarded the Irish young player of the year for his superb performances for their u21, Assombalonga was sold for 1.5 mill and has scored loads of goals for Peterborough and Hoban is the best young centre back from our youth team I have ever seen, can you think of a better centre back youth team centre back? I cant.

O'Nien is not in that league and that s why he has only played two minutes for us and is on trial elsewhere.

I have seen him at u18 and reserve level, if you think he is as good as the players you named I suggest you do not think about a career in scouting.
I deliberately said that he has as much talent as those players when they were at the same point in their careers. Britt, Tommie and Sean had shone in the youth team and earned a deal before developing to where they are now. I would put money on Luke doing the same at what ever club he joins.

As for knwing him, I dont know him outside of football, but I watch him train and play as well as talking to him after games.
To be fair mate, Murray and Hoban are only a year older than O'Nien and last year Hoban was a regular starter before his injury and, although he pretty much lost a year last year, Murray was getting game time when he was 18. I can't see O'Nien going from struggling to make the bench to becoming a regular in the matchday squad, if not the starting XI, like Murray is. Also, while Britt is 2 years older than O'Nien, he is only scoring goals in League 1. Not turning my nose up at League 1 or anything, but Garner was crap in the Championship and he's 3 goals off of being League 1 top scorer, so it can't be that hard.
[quote][p][bold]babyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]babyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: How many times have you seen him play? He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal. O'Nien isnt up to our standard.[/p][/quote]I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.[/p][/quote]He does not have as much talent as Murray, Assombalonga or Hoban, im sorry mate but that is simply not right. Hence, the three above have in Murray's turned down Man City to sign a pro deal with us and just been awarded the Irish young player of the year for his superb performances for their u21, Assombalonga was sold for 1.5 mill and has scored loads of goals for Peterborough and Hoban is the best young centre back from our youth team I have ever seen, can you think of a better centre back youth team centre back? I cant. O'Nien is not in that league and that s why he has only played two minutes for us and is on trial elsewhere. I have seen him at u18 and reserve level, if you think he is as good as the players you named I suggest you do not think about a career in scouting.[/p][/quote]I deliberately said that he has as much talent as those players when they were at the same point in their careers. Britt, Tommie and Sean had shone in the youth team and earned a deal before developing to where they are now. I would put money on Luke doing the same at what ever club he joins. As for knwing him, I dont know him outside of football, but I watch him train and play as well as talking to him after games.[/p][/quote]To be fair mate, Murray and Hoban are only a year older than O'Nien and last year Hoban was a regular starter before his injury and, although he pretty much lost a year last year, Murray was getting game time when he was 18. I can't see O'Nien going from struggling to make the bench to becoming a regular in the matchday squad, if not the starting XI, like Murray is. Also, while Britt is 2 years older than O'Nien, he is only scoring goals in League 1. Not turning my nose up at League 1 or anything, but Garner was crap in the Championship and he's 3 goals off of being League 1 top scorer, so it can't be that hard. PozzoHornet
  • Score: 2

4:10pm Wed 2 Apr 14

lutondown says...

ramage1996 wrote:
How many times have you seen him play?

He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal.

O'Nien isnt up to our standard.
Agree
i bet beppe and nani are quaking at the thought of being watched closely...
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: How many times have you seen him play? He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal. O'Nien isnt up to our standard.[/p][/quote]Agree i bet beppe and nani are quaking at the thought of being watched closely... lutondown
  • Score: -4

4:12pm Wed 2 Apr 14

lutondown says...

babyhornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
How many times have you seen him play?

He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal.

O'Nien isnt up to our standard.
I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.
is this love?
[quote][p][bold]babyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: How many times have you seen him play? He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal. O'Nien isnt up to our standard.[/p][/quote]I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.[/p][/quote]is this love? lutondown
  • Score: -4

4:18pm Wed 2 Apr 14

RobboBTC says...

We'd all love to watch a team of home grown players. The brutal fact of the matter is that Watford are now in a different place to where we were a few seasons ago, where Dyche and Mackay in particular gave youngsters the opportunity to play 1st team football. We, as supporters and the Pozzo's are demanding success in terms of promotion to the Premiership. If that means signing players like Riera, Merkel and Toszer as the club believe that will give us a greater chance of getting promoted then who are we to argue. The fact that O'Nien is dedicated, a nice bloke and looks good in training means very little. If he is good enough then great but I wouldn't expect any sentiment from the club what so ever.
We'd all love to watch a team of home grown players. The brutal fact of the matter is that Watford are now in a different place to where we were a few seasons ago, where Dyche and Mackay in particular gave youngsters the opportunity to play 1st team football. We, as supporters and the Pozzo's are demanding success in terms of promotion to the Premiership. If that means signing players like Riera, Merkel and Toszer as the club believe that will give us a greater chance of getting promoted then who are we to argue. The fact that O'Nien is dedicated, a nice bloke and looks good in training means very little. If he is good enough then great but I wouldn't expect any sentiment from the club what so ever. RobboBTC
  • Score: 3

4:18pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Imnotadonkey says...

ramage1996 wrote:
How many times have you seen him play?

He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal.

O'Nien isnt up to our standard.
100% spot on! Why keep a player who is NOT going to make the first team, we are not the club we were, we don't need the academy we can bring in who we need, some people need to realise the club has moved on!!
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: How many times have you seen him play? He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal. O'Nien isnt up to our standard.[/p][/quote]100% spot on! Why keep a player who is NOT going to make the first team, we are not the club we were, we don't need the academy we can bring in who we need, some people need to realise the club has moved on!! Imnotadonkey
  • Score: -6

4:21pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Imnotadonkey says...

babyhornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
How many times have you seen him play?

He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal.

O'Nien isnt up to our standard.
I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.
Are you part of the coaching staff or a stalker? Behind closed doors indicates a session with no press or public present.. Although I hear you can, if crazy enough, lurk in bushes and watch ... Let's hope no one on here does that!
[quote][p][bold]babyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: How many times have you seen him play? He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal. O'Nien isnt up to our standard.[/p][/quote]I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.[/p][/quote]Are you part of the coaching staff or a stalker? Behind closed doors indicates a session with no press or public present.. Although I hear you can, if crazy enough, lurk in bushes and watch ... Let's hope no one on here does that! Imnotadonkey
  • Score: -1

4:22pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Imnotadonkey says...

babyhornet wrote:
Fans regularly complain that the players care more about the money than the club. Luke is not like this! He would happily play for nothing if he could, he simply wants to play. How many people have complained about how lazy McGugan is? Well Luke is one of the first to arrive for training and always stays out working on his technique for an hour or so. He also helps load and unload the kit into the coach on match days.
Omg are you actually on the coaching staff? If so not sure you should be posting on here?
[quote][p][bold]babyhornet[/bold] wrote: Fans regularly complain that the players care more about the money than the club. Luke is not like this! He would happily play for nothing if he could, he simply wants to play. How many people have complained about how lazy McGugan is? Well Luke is one of the first to arrive for training and always stays out working on his technique for an hour or so. He also helps load and unload the kit into the coach on match days.[/p][/quote]Omg are you actually on the coaching staff? If so not sure you should be posting on here? Imnotadonkey
  • Score: -2

4:34pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Boosey says...

lutondown wrote:
babyhornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
How many times have you seen him play?

He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal.

O'Nien isnt up to our standard.
I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.
is this love?
I was just thinking the same thing, bunny boiler!
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]babyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: How many times have you seen him play? He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal. O'Nien isnt up to our standard.[/p][/quote]I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.[/p][/quote]is this love?[/p][/quote]I was just thinking the same thing, bunny boiler! Boosey
  • Score: 0

4:48pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Imnotadonkey says...

Boosey wrote:
lutondown wrote:
babyhornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
How many times have you seen him play?

He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal.

O'Nien isnt up to our standard.
I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.
is this love?
I was just thinking the same thing, bunny boiler!
Probably sits upper rous with binoculars
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]babyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: How many times have you seen him play? He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal. O'Nien isnt up to our standard.[/p][/quote]I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.[/p][/quote]is this love?[/p][/quote]I was just thinking the same thing, bunny boiler![/p][/quote]Probably sits upper rous with binoculars Imnotadonkey
  • Score: -1

9:55pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Guy Bov says...

Cream always rises to the top. Haven't seen enough of O Nien to comment but neither Zola or Sannino have risked giving the lad game time.

Just a shame there is no longer a proper reserve league where youngsters can be bloodied in meaningful games, the U21 fixtures are pretty pointless and give young players now very little preparation for the first team.
Cream always rises to the top. Haven't seen enough of O Nien to comment but neither Zola or Sannino have risked giving the lad game time. Just a shame there is no longer a proper reserve league where youngsters can be bloodied in meaningful games, the U21 fixtures are pretty pointless and give young players now very little preparation for the first team. Guy Bov
  • Score: 0

5:44am Thu 3 Apr 14

northofwatfordpete says...

MKgloryHorn wrote:
Agree on the above comments, he's no better than what we already have at the club, no point in just giving him a deal "cos he's a nice lad". The coaches at the club will see him train and play in reserve/academy matches far more than any of us fans, we have to trust their judgment.
Unfortunately I don't trust their judgement - read Britt Assombalonga!!
[quote][p][bold]MKgloryHorn[/bold] wrote: Agree on the above comments, he's no better than what we already have at the club, no point in just giving him a deal "cos he's a nice lad". The coaches at the club will see him train and play in reserve/academy matches far more than any of us fans, we have to trust their judgment.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately I don't trust their judgement - read Britt Assombalonga!! northofwatfordpete
  • Score: -1

7:57am Thu 3 Apr 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

ramage1996 wrote:
babyhornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
How many times have you seen him play?

He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal.

O'Nien isnt up to our standard.
I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.
He does not have as much talent as Murray, Assombalonga or Hoban, im sorry mate but that is simply not right.

Hence, the three above have in Murray's turned down Man City to sign a pro deal with us and just been awarded the Irish young player of the year for his superb performances for their u21, Assombalonga was sold for 1.5 mill and has scored loads of goals for Peterborough and Hoban is the best young centre back from our youth team I have ever seen, can you think of a better centre back youth team centre back? I cant.

O'Nien is not in that league and that s why he has only played two minutes for us and is on trial elsewhere.

I have seen him at u18 and reserve level, if you think he is as good as the players you named I suggest you do not think about a career in scouting.
Yes I have seen one. Adrian Mariappa. Hoban has a bit to go yet before he reaches the standard of Aidy. And before you argue the case, Mariappa was sold for £3M and is now a regular in the Premier League. I'm not saying he won't make it, just responding to your point with Aidy who was outstanding in the Youth team.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]babyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: How many times have you seen him play? He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal. O'Nien isnt up to our standard.[/p][/quote]I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.[/p][/quote]He does not have as much talent as Murray, Assombalonga or Hoban, im sorry mate but that is simply not right. Hence, the three above have in Murray's turned down Man City to sign a pro deal with us and just been awarded the Irish young player of the year for his superb performances for their u21, Assombalonga was sold for 1.5 mill and has scored loads of goals for Peterborough and Hoban is the best young centre back from our youth team I have ever seen, can you think of a better centre back youth team centre back? I cant. O'Nien is not in that league and that s why he has only played two minutes for us and is on trial elsewhere. I have seen him at u18 and reserve level, if you think he is as good as the players you named I suggest you do not think about a career in scouting.[/p][/quote]Yes I have seen one. Adrian Mariappa. Hoban has a bit to go yet before he reaches the standard of Aidy. And before you argue the case, Mariappa was sold for £3M and is now a regular in the Premier League. I'm not saying he won't make it, just responding to your point with Aidy who was outstanding in the Youth team. Goldenboy1960
  • Score: 0

10:00am Thu 3 Apr 14

Imnotadonkey says...

babyhornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
babyhornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
How many times have you seen him play?

He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal.

O'Nien isnt up to our standard.
I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.
He does not have as much talent as Murray, Assombalonga or Hoban, im sorry mate but that is simply not right.

Hence, the three above have in Murray's turned down Man City to sign a pro deal with us and just been awarded the Irish young player of the year for his superb performances for their u21, Assombalonga was sold for 1.5 mill and has scored loads of goals for Peterborough and Hoban is the best young centre back from our youth team I have ever seen, can you think of a better centre back youth team centre back? I cant.

O'Nien is not in that league and that s why he has only played two minutes for us and is on trial elsewhere.

I have seen him at u18 and reserve level, if you think he is as good as the players you named I suggest you do not think about a career in scouting.
I deliberately said that he has as much talent as those players when they were at the same point in their careers. Britt, Tommie and Sean had shone in the youth team and earned a deal before developing to where they are now. I would put money on Luke doing the same at what ever club he joins.

As for knwing him, I dont know him outside of football, but I watch him train and play as well as talking to him after games.
When the great Norman Tebbit instructed the youth to get on their bikes , he didn't mean to London Colney to lurk in bushes and stalk players... Do you think 'Lukey' may be requesting a move to escape our at best, weird obsessive fans that give us the 'mong' tag ?
[quote][p][bold]babyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]babyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: How many times have you seen him play? He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal. O'Nien isnt up to our standard.[/p][/quote]I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.[/p][/quote]He does not have as much talent as Murray, Assombalonga or Hoban, im sorry mate but that is simply not right. Hence, the three above have in Murray's turned down Man City to sign a pro deal with us and just been awarded the Irish young player of the year for his superb performances for their u21, Assombalonga was sold for 1.5 mill and has scored loads of goals for Peterborough and Hoban is the best young centre back from our youth team I have ever seen, can you think of a better centre back youth team centre back? I cant. O'Nien is not in that league and that s why he has only played two minutes for us and is on trial elsewhere. I have seen him at u18 and reserve level, if you think he is as good as the players you named I suggest you do not think about a career in scouting.[/p][/quote]I deliberately said that he has as much talent as those players when they were at the same point in their careers. Britt, Tommie and Sean had shone in the youth team and earned a deal before developing to where they are now. I would put money on Luke doing the same at what ever club he joins. As for knwing him, I dont know him outside of football, but I watch him train and play as well as talking to him after games.[/p][/quote]When the great Norman Tebbit instructed the youth to get on their bikes , he didn't mean to London Colney to lurk in bushes and stalk players... Do you think 'Lukey' may be requesting a move to escape our at best, weird obsessive fans that give us the 'mong' tag ? Imnotadonkey
  • Score: 1

10:00am Thu 3 Apr 14

Imnotadonkey says...

babyhornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
babyhornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
How many times have you seen him play?

He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal.

O'Nien isnt up to our standard.
I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.
He does not have as much talent as Murray, Assombalonga or Hoban, im sorry mate but that is simply not right.

Hence, the three above have in Murray's turned down Man City to sign a pro deal with us and just been awarded the Irish young player of the year for his superb performances for their u21, Assombalonga was sold for 1.5 mill and has scored loads of goals for Peterborough and Hoban is the best young centre back from our youth team I have ever seen, can you think of a better centre back youth team centre back? I cant.

O'Nien is not in that league and that s why he has only played two minutes for us and is on trial elsewhere.

I have seen him at u18 and reserve level, if you think he is as good as the players you named I suggest you do not think about a career in scouting.
I deliberately said that he has as much talent as those players when they were at the same point in their careers. Britt, Tommie and Sean had shone in the youth team and earned a deal before developing to where they are now. I would put money on Luke doing the same at what ever club he joins.

As for knwing him, I dont know him outside of football, but I watch him train and play as well as talking to him after games.
When the great Norman Tebbit instructed the youth to get on their bikes , he didn't mean to London Colney to lurk in bushes and stalk players... Do you think 'Lukey' may be requesting a move to escape our at best, weird obsessive fans that give us the 'mong' tag ?
[quote][p][bold]babyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]babyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: How many times have you seen him play? He is a decent player, he will be 20 at the start of next season but I don't think he is better than Abdi, Murray, Battochio, Mcgugan, Merkel or Toszer, Byers is a very good player and deserves his pro deal. O'Nien isnt up to our standard.[/p][/quote]I have seen him in training, in youth games and in behind closed doors friendlies. He has as much talent as Sean Murray, Tommie Hoban and Britt Assombalonga did when they were at his point his their careers. They were given longer deals and sent out on loan and they are all first team players at their respective club. Not only is he incredibly dedicated and hard working, he has the talent too. I have seen him score from corners with both feet in training, score from free kicks with both feet and keep up with Anya on a run. I have also seen him mark Deeney out of a training session before including taking the ball off his toes several times! There is a youtube video of him scoring when Anya and Deeney failed to do so as well. How many players could, or even would, play 90 minutes for one team, then travel nearly 3 hours ready and willing to play for another. He is very versatile and has played as a striker, a creative midfielder and also captained the youth team as part of a back 3.[/p][/quote]He does not have as much talent as Murray, Assombalonga or Hoban, im sorry mate but that is simply not right. Hence, the three above have in Murray's turned down Man City to sign a pro deal with us and just been awarded the Irish young player of the year for his superb performances for their u21, Assombalonga was sold for 1.5 mill and has scored loads of goals for Peterborough and Hoban is the best young centre back from our youth team I have ever seen, can you think of a better centre back youth team centre back? I cant. O'Nien is not in that league and that s why he has only played two minutes for us and is on trial elsewhere. I have seen him at u18 and reserve level, if you think he is as good as the players you named I suggest you do not think about a career in scouting.[/p][/quote]I deliberately said that he has as much talent as those players when they were at the same point in their careers. Britt, Tommie and Sean had shone in the youth team and earned a deal before developing to where they are now. I would put money on Luke doing the same at what ever club he joins. As for knwing him, I dont know him outside of football, but I watch him train and play as well as talking to him after games.[/p][/quote]When the great Norman Tebbit instructed the youth to get on their bikes , he didn't mean to London Colney to lurk in bushes and stalk players... Do you think 'Lukey' may be requesting a move to escape our at best, weird obsessive fans that give us the 'mong' tag ? Imnotadonkey
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