COMMENT: Next two months crucial for assessing if Gian Luca Nani is worth the money

Gian Luca Nani. Picture: Holly Cant

Gian Luca Nani. Picture: Holly Cant

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The final two months of this season could reveal a lot about the job being done by Watford's technical director Gian Luca Nani.

The Hornets' were agonisingly close to securing promotion last summer on two occasions and signings like Almen Abdi, Matej Vydra and Manuel Almunia were a crucial part of that success.

Heading into this season, the pressure was off Nani and the Pozzos' scouting network. After all, the Golden Boys had exceeded everyone's expectations in the first year under a new regime and with a host of players plying their trade in English football for the first time.

Commercially, chief executive Scott Duxbury appears to be doing a good job and the Pozzos have a track record of success in Italian and Spanish football, which has been based on their much-lauded scouting network.

But with the Hornets underachieving so far this season, the pressure and criticism has increased among some supporters. The management, players and even us in the local media are under the spotlight more than they were 12 months ago. Nani, the man who is said to be in charge of the club's recruitment, is the one under the most scrutiny.

There were issues with the club's recruitment last summer. There appeared to be a scatter-gun approach to signings as the club made 16 additions during the summer window, which left Gianfranco Zola with 39 professionals to look after for a while. It caused problems during training but Zola was not the type of person to openly criticise his employers, and in Nani’s case his friend. But he did admit the number of signings was "not ideal" and left him with a "not normal" number of players to manage.

The club stressed the high number of additions was aimed to give Zola the best chance of success and that the delay in the takeover was also a contributing factor.

There were four noticeable flops in the shape of Neuton, Jean-Alain Fanchone, Geoffrey Mujangi Bia and Steve Leo Beleck but it wasn't a concern as the likes of Marco Cassetti, Fernando Forestieri, Vydra, Abdi et al overshadowed the negatives. And ultimately, some signings don't work. Sean Dyche, Malky Mackay, Brendan Rodgers - they all had them.

Yet it has been the quantity of unsuccessful signings which has been the issue this season. Out of the ten new additions in the summer - excluding the loanees from last season - only Gabriele Angella, Davide Faraoni and Lewis McGugan have been regular starters. Although it is worth noting that important players like Ikechi Anya and Cristian Battocchio took time to make their impact during the 2012/13 campaign.

I have some sympathy for the Hornets' management team as on paper players such as Iriney, with ten years La Liga experience, Javier Acuna, who was being looked at by other Championship clubs, and Diego Fabbrini, an Italian international, arguably should have made an impact.

But a big part of a head of recruitment's job is to find out if the players are suitable. What positions need filling? What kind of personality are they? Will the player easily adapt to life in a new environment and style of football? The answer to those types of questions may have been sought but the fact three of the summer signings were shipped out on loan six months later does not look good.

The balance of the squad was also wrong earlier in the campaign, with the holding midfield role, a lack of natural leaders and the absence of a pacey option up front proving a problem.

The club sought to rectify the issues and the temporary acquisitions of players like George Thorne and Hector Bellerin did help in some areas.

January was a crucial month for the club in terms of recruitment and they brought in five new signings. It is still early for those players but Alexander Merkel, Samba Diakite, Mathias Ranegie and Chu-Young Park have yet to make their mark in the Championship - although Merkel has shown promise. Daniel Tozser has proved a big hit so far.

As mentioned above, it is still early for a number of the signings - both from the summer and January - and it would be hard for a lot of players to make an impact in a team which has struggled at times this season.

Yet that point raises another issue as the huge number of potential signings available to the Hornets means they seem quick to dispense with players rather than working out why things are not working and giving them more of a chance.

The club claim decisions on recruitment are made by a small group of people, which include Nani, owner Gino Pozzo, Duxbury and the head coach.

But both Zola and his successor Beppe Sannino have distanced themselves from the acquisition of players, claiming they are simply the head coach and that they are happy for whichever players the club provide.

There were a few problems with this continental system last season, including the sale of Martin Taylor which Zola was upset about, and it was pleasing to see injuries helped Sannino get his way in January by retaining Battocchio, who the club were close to loaning out but he has now started eight of the last ten matches, and come on in the other two.

This week Watford took their number of signings for the season to 18, if you include short-term loans and exclude those who were here last season, and at present only six of those have made a real mark in the first team - Angella, Faraoni, McGugan, Bellerin, Thorne and Tozser.

However, Watford are only eight points away from the play-offs with 42 to play for and were on a five-game unbeaten run before the weekend defeat to Bolton Wanderers. So should Lucas Neill provide some much-needed steel to the Hornets' defence, which then allows Merkel or Diakite to excel in a midfield which creates plenty of chances for Park or Ranegie and the club secure promotion via the play-offs, then much of the above will be forgotten.

But it is a tough ask and the likelihood of that happening could depend on the players brought in by Nani, who rejected our request for an interview.

The importance of Nani's role is emphasised by the fact he is paid £240,000 a year - which is more than chief executive Duxbury. The next few months could tell whether that is money well spent.

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3:11pm Thu 27 Feb 14

JohnnyBarnes says...

I'm glad this guy has been flagged up as a potential problem area.

I know that great strikers don't grow on trees, but I think that our focus has been suspect recently in terms of the areas of the pitch we're trying to strengthen.

Jury's definitely out on him.
I'm glad this guy has been flagged up as a potential problem area. I know that great strikers don't grow on trees, but I think that our focus has been suspect recently in terms of the areas of the pitch we're trying to strengthen. Jury's definitely out on him. JohnnyBarnes
  • Score: 37

3:23pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Harry's Bar says...

By refusing to give an interview Nani set himself up for that article and the salary jibe. Personally I don't need the next few months to tell if it's money well spent. One other thing, If McGugan has been a success I wouldn't like to see him fail.
By refusing to give an interview Nani set himself up for that article and the salary jibe. Personally I don't need the next few months to tell if it's money well spent. One other thing, If McGugan has been a success I wouldn't like to see him fail. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 16

3:40pm Thu 27 Feb 14

RobboBTC says...

Surely it's ultimately up to the Pozzo's to decide if Nani is worth the money. I can't get to grips with the insistence that the European recruitment model doesn't work and the belief that if we left the responsibility of the signings to the 1st team manager every signing would be a success. For me, we had a good enough squad to get automatically promoted last season, the reason we didn't was down to Zola playing weakened teams at places like Bristol City, although not doubting the great job he did in charge during that campaign. So, Watford not getting promoted last season, is that the fault of Nani/European recruitment model - no. We are signing players we could only have dreamed of signing before the Pozzo's took over. As Frank Smith stated, we are only 7 points outside the play-offs, if it wasn't for the abysmal run of home results at the end of Zola's reign (losing at home to the likes of Yeovil 3-0) we would almost certainly be in a play-off position. I think we need to remember where we were as a club just a couple of years ago and compare that to where we are now, in terms of finances, quality of players, stadium development and attendances. We are in good hands and will get to the promised land in the next few years and even when we do there will stil be stupid articles like this one produced.
Surely it's ultimately up to the Pozzo's to decide if Nani is worth the money. I can't get to grips with the insistence that the European recruitment model doesn't work and the belief that if we left the responsibility of the signings to the 1st team manager every signing would be a success. For me, we had a good enough squad to get automatically promoted last season, the reason we didn't was down to Zola playing weakened teams at places like Bristol City, although not doubting the great job he did in charge during that campaign. So, Watford not getting promoted last season, is that the fault of Nani/European recruitment model - no. We are signing players we could only have dreamed of signing before the Pozzo's took over. As Frank Smith stated, we are only 7 points outside the play-offs, if it wasn't for the abysmal run of home results at the end of Zola's reign (losing at home to the likes of Yeovil 3-0) we would almost certainly be in a play-off position. I think we need to remember where we were as a club just a couple of years ago and compare that to where we are now, in terms of finances, quality of players, stadium development and attendances. We are in good hands and will get to the promised land in the next few years and even when we do there will stil be stupid articles like this one produced. RobboBTC
  • Score: 37

3:49pm Thu 27 Feb 14

endean2 says...

don't need another 2 months to form an opinion.
I believe he has been an abject failure who does not understand
the Championship and the players required to succeed in this division.
don't need another 2 months to form an opinion. I believe he has been an abject failure who does not understand the Championship and the players required to succeed in this division. endean2
  • Score: 21

4:12pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Oracledave says...

RobboBTC wrote:
Surely it's ultimately up to the Pozzo's to decide if Nani is worth the money. I can't get to grips with the insistence that the European recruitment model doesn't work and the belief that if we left the responsibility of the signings to the 1st team manager every signing would be a success. For me, we had a good enough squad to get automatically promoted last season, the reason we didn't was down to Zola playing weakened teams at places like Bristol City, although not doubting the great job he did in charge during that campaign. So, Watford not getting promoted last season, is that the fault of Nani/European recruitment model - no. We are signing players we could only have dreamed of signing before the Pozzo's took over. As Frank Smith stated, we are only 7 points outside the play-offs, if it wasn't for the abysmal run of home results at the end of Zola's reign (losing at home to the likes of Yeovil 3-0) we would almost certainly be in a play-off position. I think we need to remember where we were as a club just a couple of years ago and compare that to where we are now, in terms of finances, quality of players, stadium development and attendances. We are in good hands and will get to the promised land in the next few years and even when we do there will stil be stupid articles like this one produced.
I agree with general thrust of this argument, but I would disagree that the article is stupid, It does refer in the main to facts regarding the players recruited. As I have mentioned elsewhere we can afford to import more players than other clubs when a significant number are already contracted to Pozzo clubs. Nevertheless we do need a reasonable percentage of them to succeed in all the various areas of the field.

If we assume that last year's recruits were deemed on balance to be successful and this year's not, then maybe the next window will be the acid test for Mr Nani !
[quote][p][bold]RobboBTC[/bold] wrote: Surely it's ultimately up to the Pozzo's to decide if Nani is worth the money. I can't get to grips with the insistence that the European recruitment model doesn't work and the belief that if we left the responsibility of the signings to the 1st team manager every signing would be a success. For me, we had a good enough squad to get automatically promoted last season, the reason we didn't was down to Zola playing weakened teams at places like Bristol City, although not doubting the great job he did in charge during that campaign. So, Watford not getting promoted last season, is that the fault of Nani/European recruitment model - no. We are signing players we could only have dreamed of signing before the Pozzo's took over. As Frank Smith stated, we are only 7 points outside the play-offs, if it wasn't for the abysmal run of home results at the end of Zola's reign (losing at home to the likes of Yeovil 3-0) we would almost certainly be in a play-off position. I think we need to remember where we were as a club just a couple of years ago and compare that to where we are now, in terms of finances, quality of players, stadium development and attendances. We are in good hands and will get to the promised land in the next few years and even when we do there will stil be stupid articles like this one produced.[/p][/quote]I agree with general thrust of this argument, but I would disagree that the article is stupid, It does refer in the main to facts regarding the players recruited. As I have mentioned elsewhere we can afford to import more players than other clubs when a significant number are already contracted to Pozzo clubs. Nevertheless we do need a reasonable percentage of them to succeed in all the various areas of the field. If we assume that last year's recruits were deemed on balance to be successful and this year's not, then maybe the next window will be the acid test for Mr Nani ! Oracledave
  • Score: 20

4:23pm Thu 27 Feb 14

soulfulhornet says...

RobboBTC wrote:
Surely it's ultimately up to the Pozzo's to decide if Nani is worth the money. I can't get to grips with the insistence that the European recruitment model doesn't work and the belief that if we left the responsibility of the signings to the 1st team manager every signing would be a success. For me, we had a good enough squad to get automatically promoted last season, the reason we didn't was down to Zola playing weakened teams at places like Bristol City, although not doubting the great job he did in charge during that campaign. So, Watford not getting promoted last season, is that the fault of Nani/European recruitment model - no. We are signing players we could only have dreamed of signing before the Pozzo's took over. As Frank Smith stated, we are only 7 points outside the play-offs, if it wasn't for the abysmal run of home results at the end of Zola's reign (losing at home to the likes of Yeovil 3-0) we would almost certainly be in a play-off position. I think we need to remember where we were as a club just a couple of years ago and compare that to where we are now, in terms of finances, quality of players, stadium development and attendances. We are in good hands and will get to the promised land in the next few years and even when we do there will stil be stupid articles like this one produced.
It's the Pozzos club (ownership wise - it's ours otherwise) and money so yes, they will decide Nani's future. I think there are a number of people who have contributed to the current mediocre performances - which includes Nani, Zola, Sannino and others. But it is above all the players. It is the players who kick the ball, make the stupid errors, miss chances and take the wrong options. For example, of the players who were here last season, which of them has played better this term ? Forestieri and possibly Murray....that's all. Deeney, Anya, Ekstrand, Cassetti...nope!

Overall I agree however we are in a much better position than two, three, five, ten years ago or even under GT second time around, if the stories re the ownership saga are halfway true. (How GT ever got that team to the Prem given the off-field problems is beyond me!). Anyone for Baz, Simpson or the Russos. Thought not.

I still believe we are in good hands, and the Pozzos will make the right decisions, just give it a bit of time.
[quote][p][bold]RobboBTC[/bold] wrote: Surely it's ultimately up to the Pozzo's to decide if Nani is worth the money. I can't get to grips with the insistence that the European recruitment model doesn't work and the belief that if we left the responsibility of the signings to the 1st team manager every signing would be a success. For me, we had a good enough squad to get automatically promoted last season, the reason we didn't was down to Zola playing weakened teams at places like Bristol City, although not doubting the great job he did in charge during that campaign. So, Watford not getting promoted last season, is that the fault of Nani/European recruitment model - no. We are signing players we could only have dreamed of signing before the Pozzo's took over. As Frank Smith stated, we are only 7 points outside the play-offs, if it wasn't for the abysmal run of home results at the end of Zola's reign (losing at home to the likes of Yeovil 3-0) we would almost certainly be in a play-off position. I think we need to remember where we were as a club just a couple of years ago and compare that to where we are now, in terms of finances, quality of players, stadium development and attendances. We are in good hands and will get to the promised land in the next few years and even when we do there will stil be stupid articles like this one produced.[/p][/quote]It's the Pozzos club (ownership wise - it's ours otherwise) and money so yes, they will decide Nani's future. I think there are a number of people who have contributed to the current mediocre performances - which includes Nani, Zola, Sannino and others. But it is above all the players. It is the players who kick the ball, make the stupid errors, miss chances and take the wrong options. For example, of the players who were here last season, which of them has played better this term ? Forestieri and possibly Murray....that's all. Deeney, Anya, Ekstrand, Cassetti...nope! Overall I agree however we are in a much better position than two, three, five, ten years ago or even under GT second time around, if the stories re the ownership saga are halfway true. (How GT ever got that team to the Prem given the off-field problems is beyond me!). Anyone for Baz, Simpson or the Russos. Thought not. I still believe we are in good hands, and the Pozzos will make the right decisions, just give it a bit of time. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 25

4:33pm Thu 27 Feb 14

andyhooked says...

The Pozzo's own the club. They are in charge. Duxbury, I believe is a good administrator. Sannino knows squddly-dit about the English game as far as scounting is concerned but at least he has stabillised the ship. The Pozzos, God bless them now need a major rethink! Get a management team in that understands the way the Championship is. Last year was great but this year the business model for making us a better side is failing. Then we need a team manager and not a blinking coach that has to shuflle the pack that non-football people deal him. I am dedicated to WFC so not just a Saddo. In fact, I will be doing the midweek trip up to Donny.
The Pozzo's own the club. They are in charge. Duxbury, I believe is a good administrator. Sannino knows squddly-dit about the English game as far as scounting is concerned but at least he has stabillised the ship. The Pozzos, God bless them now need a major rethink! Get a management team in that understands the way the Championship is. Last year was great but this year the business model for making us a better side is failing. Then we need a team manager and not a blinking coach that has to shuflle the pack that non-football people deal him. I am dedicated to WFC so not just a Saddo. In fact, I will be doing the midweek trip up to Donny. andyhooked
  • Score: 8

4:40pm Thu 27 Feb 14

tiger bay says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
By refusing to give an interview Nani set himself up for that article and the salary jibe. Personally I don't need the next few months to tell if it's money well spent. One other thing, If McGugan has been a success I wouldn't like to see him fail.
And this week's victim of your sustained bullying campaign is. ......Lewis McGugan!!! A very talented player who's had an up and down season but wouldn't surprise the more knowledgeable fans if he excelled next season ..if he's given the chance to build some confidence without the fickle hecklers. ...
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: By refusing to give an interview Nani set himself up for that article and the salary jibe. Personally I don't need the next few months to tell if it's money well spent. One other thing, If McGugan has been a success I wouldn't like to see him fail.[/p][/quote]And this week's victim of your sustained bullying campaign is. ......Lewis McGugan!!! A very talented player who's had an up and down season but wouldn't surprise the more knowledgeable fans if he excelled next season ..if he's given the chance to build some confidence without the fickle hecklers. ... tiger bay
  • Score: 21

4:55pm Thu 27 Feb 14

bristol hornet says...

Great article Frank.

Why won't Nani give you a direct interview? Is he ashamed of his poor signings?

Keep up the pressure Frank, for a very promising season has deteriorated into mid table mediocrity.

And with this, plus the poor standard of play compared to Zola's regime, will result in much lower season ticket sales, and a lot more empty seats next year with our new east stand!
Great article Frank. Why won't Nani give you a direct interview? Is he ashamed of his poor signings? Keep up the pressure Frank, for a very promising season has deteriorated into mid table mediocrity. And with this, plus the poor standard of play compared to Zola's regime, will result in much lower season ticket sales, and a lot more empty seats next year with our new east stand! bristol hornet
  • Score: 18

5:14pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Abbotshorn says...

Maybe i am old school, but the manager should ultimately tell Nani who they want, not Nani forcing sqaure pegs into round holes
Maybe i am old school, but the manager should ultimately tell Nani who they want, not Nani forcing sqaure pegs into round holes Abbotshorn
  • Score: 13

5:32pm Thu 27 Feb 14

andyhooked says...

Bristol hornet is right. Less season ticket sales next season as many, not me, bought on the tail of a good season well until we failed so badly at the last hurdle at Wembley.
Bristol hornet is right. Less season ticket sales next season as many, not me, bought on the tail of a good season well until we failed so badly at the last hurdle at Wembley. andyhooked
  • Score: 5

6:14pm Thu 27 Feb 14

cliff46 says...

I think this is a good well balanced article that offers constructive criticism .
£240k is an awful lot of money but to keep it in perspective think back to the small fortune Ashton used to take out of the club, I nearly wrote earn but clearly he didn't!
We have to thank the Pozzos for the fact that our club continues to exist and in the same way that I remember the class of Phillip Galli so I will long remember the skill of Fossi and the pace and incisiveness of Vydra.
I might be wrong but I suspect Zola's departure was in the main related to the difficulties and frustration caused by this seasons inconsistent contribution .from Nani this season.
I get irritated by some of the unfair comments made by some on here about McGuigan, he can be frustrating and his defensive work rate is often questionable but he is a talented young player and should be encouraged and not put down so often. Now that we have Toszer I hope the free kicks will be shared and not as previously the exclusive property of McGuigan.
I think this is a good well balanced article that offers constructive criticism . £240k is an awful lot of money but to keep it in perspective think back to the small fortune Ashton used to take out of the club, I nearly wrote earn but clearly he didn't! We have to thank the Pozzos for the fact that our club continues to exist and in the same way that I remember the class of Phillip Galli so I will long remember the skill of Fossi and the pace and incisiveness of Vydra. I might be wrong but I suspect Zola's departure was in the main related to the difficulties and frustration caused by this seasons inconsistent contribution .from Nani this season. I get irritated by some of the unfair comments made by some on here about McGuigan, he can be frustrating and his defensive work rate is often questionable but he is a talented young player and should be encouraged and not put down so often. Now that we have Toszer I hope the free kicks will be shared and not as previously the exclusive property of McGuigan. cliff46
  • Score: 17

7:14pm Thu 27 Feb 14

matey_from_brighton says...

He is being paid £240k a year and at this point it seems like he is clutching at straws, Neill may prove to be useful, but for a while we have been crying out for a pacey striker so that we can capitalise on our new found defensive foundations.

As for Mcguigan I think the reason we have been short of goals lately has been due to his missing creativity. John Barnes never won player of the year at Watford which was ludicrous given that he got MOM every other games - a lot of people used to complain that he never chased back much.
He is being paid £240k a year and at this point it seems like he is clutching at straws, Neill may prove to be useful, but for a while we have been crying out for a pacey striker so that we can capitalise on our new found defensive foundations. As for Mcguigan I think the reason we have been short of goals lately has been due to his missing creativity. John Barnes never won player of the year at Watford which was ludicrous given that he got MOM every other games - a lot of people used to complain that he never chased back much. matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 9

7:28pm Thu 27 Feb 14

rousman 2 says...

endean2 wrote:
don't need another 2 months to form an opinion.
I believe he has been an abject failure who does not understand
the Championship and the players required to succeed in this division.
Says it all agree 100%.
[quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: don't need another 2 months to form an opinion. I believe he has been an abject failure who does not understand the Championship and the players required to succeed in this division.[/p][/quote]Says it all agree 100%. rousman 2
  • Score: 2

7:32pm Thu 27 Feb 14

DuffmanWFC says...

I am grateful that we are owned by the Pozzo's even though we have under achieved this season! Nani hasn't got an easy job... Yep he's got a well paid job which is monitored on a success basis hence now a so called finger point from the Watford Observer!
The reason we have struggled is because we haven't found a pacey twenty odd goals a season partner for Deeney! Vydra was quality!
All clubs struggle with signings and I'm gratefull that the ones Nani and the Pozzo's got wrong haven't really cost us!
You see clubs pay millions for over rated tosh and there are plenty of clubs envious of our resorces as if he's no good we send him back!
On paper Fabbribi, Iriney and Acuna all looked great signings but it didn't work out..... At least we didn't waist millions!
I expect our owners and board have learnt more this season about the Championship then last year! Last season we shocked everyone and we had a core of players playing at their peak and everything worked! This season has been a struggle but we are heading in the right direction and we are in the best position behind the scenes then our prior owners!
There's still a lot of football to play however I think it's to much of an ask to get in the play-offs now... I hope we can at least get up there and give ourselves a better feeling for next season and hopefully Nani and the Pozzo's have a plan to get the right players that we are missing this season!
I am grateful that we are owned by the Pozzo's even though we have under achieved this season! Nani hasn't got an easy job... Yep he's got a well paid job which is monitored on a success basis hence now a so called finger point from the Watford Observer! The reason we have struggled is because we haven't found a pacey twenty odd goals a season partner for Deeney! Vydra was quality! All clubs struggle with signings and I'm gratefull that the ones Nani and the Pozzo's got wrong haven't really cost us! You see clubs pay millions for over rated tosh and there are plenty of clubs envious of our resorces as if he's no good we send him back! On paper Fabbribi, Iriney and Acuna all looked great signings but it didn't work out..... At least we didn't waist millions! I expect our owners and board have learnt more this season about the Championship then last year! Last season we shocked everyone and we had a core of players playing at their peak and everything worked! This season has been a struggle but we are heading in the right direction and we are in the best position behind the scenes then our prior owners! There's still a lot of football to play however I think it's to much of an ask to get in the play-offs now... I hope we can at least get up there and give ourselves a better feeling for next season and hopefully Nani and the Pozzo's have a plan to get the right players that we are missing this season! DuffmanWFC
  • Score: 20

7:39pm Thu 27 Feb 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

Hucking fell..£240k a year? And now he delivers us Lucas Neill as an answer to our mid-table mediocrity.
Hucking fell..£240k a year? And now he delivers us Lucas Neill as an answer to our mid-table mediocrity. The BestTrip2011
  • Score: -11

7:46pm Thu 27 Feb 14

llloydwithathirdl says...

A pretty harsh article. He's made some very good signings, there is always going to be one or two flops, but the good far outways the bad.
A pretty harsh article. He's made some very good signings, there is always going to be one or two flops, but the good far outways the bad. llloydwithathirdl
  • Score: 1

8:17pm Thu 27 Feb 14

watfordrick says...

RobboBTC wrote:
Surely it's ultimately up to the Pozzo's to decide if Nani is worth the money. I can't get to grips with the insistence that the European recruitment model doesn't work and the belief that if we left the responsibility of the signings to the 1st team manager every signing would be a success. For me, we had a good enough squad to get automatically promoted last season, the reason we didn't was down to Zola playing weakened teams at places like Bristol City, although not doubting the great job he did in charge during that campaign. So, Watford not getting promoted last season, is that the fault of Nani/European recruitment model - no. We are signing players we could only have dreamed of signing before the Pozzo's took over. As Frank Smith stated, we are only 7 points outside the play-offs, if it wasn't for the abysmal run of home results at the end of Zola's reign (losing at home to the likes of Yeovil 3-0) we would almost certainly be in a play-off position. I think we need to remember where we were as a club just a couple of years ago and compare that to where we are now, in terms of finances, quality of players, stadium development and attendances. We are in good hands and will get to the promised land in the next few years and even when we do there will stil be stupid articles like this one produced.
Blinkered and Delusional !
[quote][p][bold]RobboBTC[/bold] wrote: Surely it's ultimately up to the Pozzo's to decide if Nani is worth the money. I can't get to grips with the insistence that the European recruitment model doesn't work and the belief that if we left the responsibility of the signings to the 1st team manager every signing would be a success. For me, we had a good enough squad to get automatically promoted last season, the reason we didn't was down to Zola playing weakened teams at places like Bristol City, although not doubting the great job he did in charge during that campaign. So, Watford not getting promoted last season, is that the fault of Nani/European recruitment model - no. We are signing players we could only have dreamed of signing before the Pozzo's took over. As Frank Smith stated, we are only 7 points outside the play-offs, if it wasn't for the abysmal run of home results at the end of Zola's reign (losing at home to the likes of Yeovil 3-0) we would almost certainly be in a play-off position. I think we need to remember where we were as a club just a couple of years ago and compare that to where we are now, in terms of finances, quality of players, stadium development and attendances. We are in good hands and will get to the promised land in the next few years and even when we do there will stil be stupid articles like this one produced.[/p][/quote]Blinkered and Delusional ! watfordrick
  • Score: -11

8:20pm Thu 27 Feb 14

watfordrick says...

tiger bay wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
By refusing to give an interview Nani set himself up for that article and the salary jibe. Personally I don't need the next few months to tell if it's money well spent. One other thing, If McGugan has been a success I wouldn't like to see him fail.
And this week's victim of your sustained bullying campaign is. ......Lewis McGugan!!! A very talented player who's had an up and down season but wouldn't surprise the more knowledgeable fans if he excelled next season ..if he's given the chance to build some confidence without the fickle hecklers. ...
Wasn't popular with forest fans either promised much but delivered little but you never know!
[quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: By refusing to give an interview Nani set himself up for that article and the salary jibe. Personally I don't need the next few months to tell if it's money well spent. One other thing, If McGugan has been a success I wouldn't like to see him fail.[/p][/quote]And this week's victim of your sustained bullying campaign is. ......Lewis McGugan!!! A very talented player who's had an up and down season but wouldn't surprise the more knowledgeable fans if he excelled next season ..if he's given the chance to build some confidence without the fickle hecklers. ...[/p][/quote]Wasn't popular with forest fans either promised much but delivered little but you never know! watfordrick
  • Score: -8

9:04pm Thu 27 Feb 14

LB-Goldenboy says...

watfordrick wrote:
tiger bay wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
By refusing to give an interview Nani set himself up for that article and the salary jibe. Personally I don't need the next few months to tell if it's money well spent. One other thing, If McGugan has been a success I wouldn't like to see him fail.
And this week's victim of your sustained bullying campaign is. ......Lewis McGugan!!! A very talented player who's had an up and down season but wouldn't surprise the more knowledgeable fans if he excelled next season ..if he's given the chance to build some confidence without the fickle hecklers. ...
Wasn't popular with forest fans either promised much but delivered little but you never know!
Forest fans loved him, they were gutted when he left!
[quote][p][bold]watfordrick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: By refusing to give an interview Nani set himself up for that article and the salary jibe. Personally I don't need the next few months to tell if it's money well spent. One other thing, If McGugan has been a success I wouldn't like to see him fail.[/p][/quote]And this week's victim of your sustained bullying campaign is. ......Lewis McGugan!!! A very talented player who's had an up and down season but wouldn't surprise the more knowledgeable fans if he excelled next season ..if he's given the chance to build some confidence without the fickle hecklers. ...[/p][/quote]Wasn't popular with forest fans either promised much but delivered little but you never know![/p][/quote]Forest fans loved him, they were gutted when he left! LB-Goldenboy
  • Score: 2

9:42pm Thu 27 Feb 14

watford1881 says...

Although Nani is not done that we'll this season he is only as good as the money his given.. Deeney was the last player we actually paid money for and that was four years ago.. Pay peanuts.. Get monkeys.. Fact...
Although Nani is not done that we'll this season he is only as good as the money his given.. Deeney was the last player we actually paid money for and that was four years ago.. Pay peanuts.. Get monkeys.. Fact... watford1881
  • Score: 4

9:47pm Thu 27 Feb 14

croxley46 says...

Why can't WE get a decent striker on an emergency loan basis? Other Ch'ship sides are doing it - didn't Connor Wickham join one this week and I'm sure there are others but Nani has to go for unknown (to us) foreign players who haven't played much recently or are injured or aren't match fit, it seems for ages.
£240K salary - ridiculous, I'd do it for £24K........
Why can't WE get a decent striker on an emergency loan basis? Other Ch'ship sides are doing it - didn't Connor Wickham join one this week and I'm sure there are others but Nani has to go for unknown (to us) foreign players who haven't played much recently or are injured or aren't match fit, it seems for ages. £240K salary - ridiculous, I'd do it for £24K........ croxley46
  • Score: 3

9:49pm Thu 27 Feb 14

watford1881 says...

croxley46 wrote:
Why can't WE get a decent striker on an emergency loan basis? Other Ch'ship sides are doing it - didn't Connor Wickham join one this week and I'm sure there are others but Nani has to go for unknown (to us) foreign players who haven't played much recently or are injured or aren't match fit, it seems for ages.
£240K salary - ridiculous, I'd do it for £24K........
We won't pay the wages..
[quote][p][bold]croxley46[/bold] wrote: Why can't WE get a decent striker on an emergency loan basis? Other Ch'ship sides are doing it - didn't Connor Wickham join one this week and I'm sure there are others but Nani has to go for unknown (to us) foreign players who haven't played much recently or are injured or aren't match fit, it seems for ages. £240K salary - ridiculous, I'd do it for £24K........[/p][/quote]We won't pay the wages.. watford1881
  • Score: 9

9:57pm Thu 27 Feb 14

croxley46 says...

watford1881 wrote:
croxley46 wrote:
Why can't WE get a decent striker on an emergency loan basis? Other Ch'ship sides are doing it - didn't Connor Wickham join one this week and I'm sure there are others but Nani has to go for unknown (to us) foreign players who haven't played much recently or are injured or aren't match fit, it seems for ages.
£240K salary - ridiculous, I'd do it for £24K........
We won't pay the wages..
And the reason we can't pay the wages is because we're paying Nani HIS ridiculous wages.
[quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]croxley46[/bold] wrote: Why can't WE get a decent striker on an emergency loan basis? Other Ch'ship sides are doing it - didn't Connor Wickham join one this week and I'm sure there are others but Nani has to go for unknown (to us) foreign players who haven't played much recently or are injured or aren't match fit, it seems for ages. £240K salary - ridiculous, I'd do it for £24K........[/p][/quote]We won't pay the wages..[/p][/quote]And the reason we can't pay the wages is because we're paying Nani HIS ridiculous wages. croxley46
  • Score: -4

10:11pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Nick El Greco says...

RobboBTC wrote:
Surely it's ultimately up to the Pozzo's to decide if Nani is worth the money. I can't get to grips with the insistence that the European recruitment model doesn't work and the belief that if we left the responsibility of the signings to the 1st team manager every signing would be a success. For me, we had a good enough squad to get automatically promoted last season, the reason we didn't was down to Zola playing weakened teams at places like Bristol City, although not doubting the great job he did in charge during that campaign. So, Watford not getting promoted last season, is that the fault of Nani/European recruitment model - no. We are signing players we could only have dreamed of signing before the Pozzo's took over. As Frank Smith stated, we are only 7 points outside the play-offs, if it wasn't for the abysmal run of home results at the end of Zola's reign (losing at home to the likes of Yeovil 3-0) we would almost certainly be in a play-off position. I think we need to remember where we were as a club just a couple of years ago and compare that to where we are now, in terms of finances, quality of players, stadium development and attendances. We are in good hands and will get to the promised land in the next few years and even when we do there will stil be stupid articles like this one produced.
At no point in the article does it suggest that signings be left to the manager - what it questions is whether Nani, a bloke who used tp organise tournaments and who has never played professional football, is the right man for the job.

This is the same man who signed Savio Nsereko (who now plays in Kazakhstan) to West Ham's books for £8m and who brought us the twinkling feet of Josh McEachran
[quote][p][bold]RobboBTC[/bold] wrote: Surely it's ultimately up to the Pozzo's to decide if Nani is worth the money. I can't get to grips with the insistence that the European recruitment model doesn't work and the belief that if we left the responsibility of the signings to the 1st team manager every signing would be a success. For me, we had a good enough squad to get automatically promoted last season, the reason we didn't was down to Zola playing weakened teams at places like Bristol City, although not doubting the great job he did in charge during that campaign. So, Watford not getting promoted last season, is that the fault of Nani/European recruitment model - no. We are signing players we could only have dreamed of signing before the Pozzo's took over. As Frank Smith stated, we are only 7 points outside the play-offs, if it wasn't for the abysmal run of home results at the end of Zola's reign (losing at home to the likes of Yeovil 3-0) we would almost certainly be in a play-off position. I think we need to remember where we were as a club just a couple of years ago and compare that to where we are now, in terms of finances, quality of players, stadium development and attendances. We are in good hands and will get to the promised land in the next few years and even when we do there will stil be stupid articles like this one produced.[/p][/quote]At no point in the article does it suggest that signings be left to the manager - what it questions is whether Nani, a bloke who used tp organise tournaments and who has never played professional football, is the right man for the job. This is the same man who signed Savio Nsereko (who now plays in Kazakhstan) to West Ham's books for £8m and who brought us the twinkling feet of Josh McEachran Nick El Greco
  • Score: 5

10:22pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Nick El Greco says...

llloydwithathirdl wrote:
A pretty harsh article. He's made some very good signings, there is always going to be one or two flops, but the good far outways the bad.
name one. The Italian based organisation sent us all the decent players, including it';s pretty obvious, Tozser. The only one who might make anything of himself that he's brought in is Ikpeazu, but instead of getting game time in the remainder of a dead season he's at Crewe and we've got a QPR loan player who we can't afford to buy.
[quote][p][bold]llloydwithathirdl[/bold] wrote: A pretty harsh article. He's made some very good signings, there is always going to be one or two flops, but the good far outways the bad.[/p][/quote]name one. The Italian based organisation sent us all the decent players, including it';s pretty obvious, Tozser. The only one who might make anything of himself that he's brought in is Ikpeazu, but instead of getting game time in the remainder of a dead season he's at Crewe and we've got a QPR loan player who we can't afford to buy. Nick El Greco
  • Score: 2

11:00pm Thu 27 Feb 14

1234566789 says...

Nick El Greco wrote:
RobboBTC wrote:
Surely it's ultimately up to the Pozzo's to decide if Nani is worth the money. I can't get to grips with the insistence that the European recruitment model doesn't work and the belief that if we left the responsibility of the signings to the 1st team manager every signing would be a success. For me, we had a good enough squad to get automatically promoted last season, the reason we didn't was down to Zola playing weakened teams at places like Bristol City, although not doubting the great job he did in charge during that campaign. So, Watford not getting promoted last season, is that the fault of Nani/European recruitment model - no. We are signing players we could only have dreamed of signing before the Pozzo's took over. As Frank Smith stated, we are only 7 points outside the play-offs, if it wasn't for the abysmal run of home results at the end of Zola's reign (losing at home to the likes of Yeovil 3-0) we would almost certainly be in a play-off position. I think we need to remember where we were as a club just a couple of years ago and compare that to where we are now, in terms of finances, quality of players, stadium development and attendances. We are in good hands and will get to the promised land in the next few years and even when we do there will stil be stupid articles like this one produced.
At no point in the article does it suggest that signings be left to the manager - what it questions is whether Nani, a bloke who used tp organise tournaments and who has never played professional football, is the right man for the job.

This is the same man who signed Savio Nsereko (who now plays in Kazakhstan) to West Ham's books for £8m and who brought us the twinkling feet of Josh McEachran
McEachran is a decent player, hence why he won 'Young Plsyer of the Year' at Boro last season and Chelsea pay him £30k per week. He was unfortunately played in the holding role which does not suit him at all - that wasn't exactly Nani's fault!

The article is fairly balanced and I think we all know there has been a scattergun approach so far. But we do now field a much stronger 18 than we could have dreamed about before he came so I can't hold too much of a grudge. As others have mentioned, at least we aren't paying money for these so called flops!
[quote][p][bold]Nick El Greco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RobboBTC[/bold] wrote: Surely it's ultimately up to the Pozzo's to decide if Nani is worth the money. I can't get to grips with the insistence that the European recruitment model doesn't work and the belief that if we left the responsibility of the signings to the 1st team manager every signing would be a success. For me, we had a good enough squad to get automatically promoted last season, the reason we didn't was down to Zola playing weakened teams at places like Bristol City, although not doubting the great job he did in charge during that campaign. So, Watford not getting promoted last season, is that the fault of Nani/European recruitment model - no. We are signing players we could only have dreamed of signing before the Pozzo's took over. As Frank Smith stated, we are only 7 points outside the play-offs, if it wasn't for the abysmal run of home results at the end of Zola's reign (losing at home to the likes of Yeovil 3-0) we would almost certainly be in a play-off position. I think we need to remember where we were as a club just a couple of years ago and compare that to where we are now, in terms of finances, quality of players, stadium development and attendances. We are in good hands and will get to the promised land in the next few years and even when we do there will stil be stupid articles like this one produced.[/p][/quote]At no point in the article does it suggest that signings be left to the manager - what it questions is whether Nani, a bloke who used tp organise tournaments and who has never played professional football, is the right man for the job. This is the same man who signed Savio Nsereko (who now plays in Kazakhstan) to West Ham's books for £8m and who brought us the twinkling feet of Josh McEachran[/p][/quote]McEachran is a decent player, hence why he won 'Young Plsyer of the Year' at Boro last season and Chelsea pay him £30k per week. He was unfortunately played in the holding role which does not suit him at all - that wasn't exactly Nani's fault! The article is fairly balanced and I think we all know there has been a scattergun approach so far. But we do now field a much stronger 18 than we could have dreamed about before he came so I can't hold too much of a grudge. As others have mentioned, at least we aren't paying money for these so called flops! 1234566789
  • Score: 3

1:00am Fri 28 Feb 14

Henry VIII says...

For me there just seems to have been a complete lack of balance to the entire squad this season. Possibly two solid 90 minute performances all year, even at the start of the season when we enjoyed the upper table regions we were not playing that well. There has been an abundance of midfielders, thankfully Tozser seems at last to actually fit the mold, although obviously it is early days. To me one big mistake was not getting a striker after it was clear we were losing Vydra. Deeney cannot do it alone and has blown hot and cold all year. Strikers are crucial. I will settle for a mid table finish this season which I think would be a fair reflection. Based upon last season's promoted crew, Mackay, Bruce and Holloway were all Brits. The current top three are all managed by... Brits. Please do not misunderstand my point. This is not a racial comment (I have a deep hatred of racism) but I really believe that to get out of this league you need to have the understanding of the English game. "Foreign" managers do seem to do very well in the Prem, where the flair game with time on the ball is better suited to that style. I have a hunch that as much as I like Beppe, he signed until May and I think they will be looking for a British manger in the summer. They are business people and they seem to learn from both their successes and failures. Just my thoughts... Nani has made both good and bad signings, and as is always the case, we all remember the bad.
For me there just seems to have been a complete lack of balance to the entire squad this season. Possibly two solid 90 minute performances all year, even at the start of the season when we enjoyed the upper table regions we were not playing that well. There has been an abundance of midfielders, thankfully Tozser seems at last to actually fit the mold, although obviously it is early days. To me one big mistake was not getting a striker after it was clear we were losing Vydra. Deeney cannot do it alone and has blown hot and cold all year. Strikers are crucial. I will settle for a mid table finish this season which I think would be a fair reflection. Based upon last season's promoted crew, Mackay, Bruce and Holloway were all Brits. The current top three are all managed by... Brits. Please do not misunderstand my point. This is not a racial comment (I have a deep hatred of racism) but I really believe that to get out of this league you need to have the understanding of the English game. "Foreign" managers do seem to do very well in the Prem, where the flair game with time on the ball is better suited to that style. I have a hunch that as much as I like Beppe, he signed until May and I think they will be looking for a British manger in the summer. They are business people and they seem to learn from both their successes and failures. Just my thoughts... Nani has made both good and bad signings, and as is always the case, we all remember the bad. Henry VIII
  • Score: 9

8:59am Fri 28 Feb 14

Harry's Bar says...

tiger bay wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
By refusing to give an interview Nani set himself up for that article and the salary jibe. Personally I don't need the next few months to tell if it's money well spent. One other thing, If McGugan has been a success I wouldn't like to see him fail.
And this week's victim of your sustained bullying campaign is. ......Lewis McGugan!!! A very talented player who's had an up and down season but wouldn't surprise the more knowledgeable fans if he excelled next season ..if he's given the chance to build some confidence without the fickle hecklers. ...
McGugan may have been criticised on the forums but he hasn't been heckled at matches. Time will tell but history suggests that excelling next season is unlikely.Quite frankly it's more likely he won't be here.
[quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: By refusing to give an interview Nani set himself up for that article and the salary jibe. Personally I don't need the next few months to tell if it's money well spent. One other thing, If McGugan has been a success I wouldn't like to see him fail.[/p][/quote]And this week's victim of your sustained bullying campaign is. ......Lewis McGugan!!! A very talented player who's had an up and down season but wouldn't surprise the more knowledgeable fans if he excelled next season ..if he's given the chance to build some confidence without the fickle hecklers. ...[/p][/quote]McGugan may have been criticised on the forums but he hasn't been heckled at matches. Time will tell but history suggests that excelling next season is unlikely.Quite frankly it's more likely he won't be here. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 2

9:10am Fri 28 Feb 14

corbindallas says...

I think it's fair to say I have never been one of Nani's fans, especially with his track record on recruitment at West Ham, my view has not changed and I see more flops than positives coming in via HIS selection process, this obviously has a knock on to moral and confidence when you flood certain positions, we seem to be transfixed with midfield when our issues are up front or at the back. I really do believe Nani is calling the shots over the whole club, the salary sort of confirms this also, I hope the loyalty the Pozzo's give him is not at cost to our progression as I also believe the failure of the squad to get promotion is more to do with our recruitment than the manager/coach which is frankly a crazy situation but one which is reflective here at Watford with the current set up as it is, Zola is a gentleman and I don't think we will publically hear from him re the problem with recruitment but on the pitch it is evident, Deeney, Murray and Doyley have been big continuous parts of the team and have nothing to do with Nani's recruitment out of a team of 11 that's a p i ss poor return for 240k a year!!! Besides with the availability pool of players from 2 other clubs it has not been difficult for Nani to get hold of players, the question is simple if they are not in the sister teams, why not, are they raw young talent or do they need playing time to get back in the groove, will we make a difference to their career to a positive effect with the pace of Championship football and as we know by the flops we have taken on the answer is usually NO! Maybe it's time for the Pozzo's to man up and not blame the coach and managers all the time!
I think it's fair to say I have never been one of Nani's fans, especially with his track record on recruitment at West Ham, my view has not changed and I see more flops than positives coming in via HIS selection process, this obviously has a knock on to moral and confidence when you flood certain positions, we seem to be transfixed with midfield when our issues are up front or at the back. I really do believe Nani is calling the shots over the whole club, the salary sort of confirms this also, I hope the loyalty the Pozzo's give him is not at cost to our progression as I also believe the failure of the squad to get promotion is more to do with our recruitment than the manager/coach which is frankly a crazy situation but one which is reflective here at Watford with the current set up as it is, Zola is a gentleman and I don't think we will publically hear from him re the problem with recruitment but on the pitch it is evident, Deeney, Murray and Doyley have been big continuous parts of the team and have nothing to do with Nani's recruitment out of a team of 11 that's a p i ss poor return for 240k a year!!! Besides with the availability pool of players from 2 other clubs it has not been difficult for Nani to get hold of players, the question is simple if they are not in the sister teams, why not, are they raw young talent or do they need playing time to get back in the groove, will we make a difference to their career to a positive effect with the pace of Championship football and as we know by the flops we have taken on the answer is usually NO! Maybe it's time for the Pozzo's to man up and not blame the coach and managers all the time! corbindallas
  • Score: 1

9:27am Fri 28 Feb 14

corbindallas says...

Just in case the Pozzo's read these comments I have made it easier for them. Penso che sia giusto per dire che non sono mai stato un fan di Nani, soprattutto con il suo record di pista sul reclutamento al West Ham, non ha cambiato la mia visione e vedo il flop più che positivi, arrivando suo processo di selezione, questo ovviamente deve bussare morale e fiducia quando si inondano certe posizioni, ci sembra di essere trafitti con centrocampo quando i nostri problemi sono davanti o dietro. Credo veramente Nani è chiamare i colpi sopra tutto il club, lo stipendio sorta di conferma anche di questo, spero la lealtà dare del Pozzo che lui non è a costo alla nostra progressione, come credo anche il fallimento della squadra per ottenere la promozione è più a che fare con la nostra assunzione rispetto l'allenatore/manager che è francamente una situazione folle, ma uno che è riflettente qui a Watford con l'attuale set up come esso èZola è un gentiluomo e non credo che sentiremo pubblicamente da lui ri il problema con l'assunzione ma in campo è evidente, Deeney, Murray e Doyley sono stati grandi parti continui della squadra e hanno nulla a che fare con il reclutamento di Nani fuori una squadra di 11 che è un peepee ritorno povero ss 240 k un anno!!! Oltre che con il pool di disponibilità di giocatori da 2 altri club non è stato difficile per Nani di entrare in possesso dei giocatori, la questione è semplice, se non nella sorella squadre, perché non sono, essi sono come talento o fanno bisogno giocando tempo per tornare nella scanalatura, ci farà una differenza alla loro carriera per un effetto positivo con il ritmo del campionato di calcio e come sappiamo dal flop ci hanno assunto la risposta di solito è NO! Forse è il momento per il Pozzo per l'uomo e non incolpare l'allenatore e Manager per tutto il tempo!
Just in case the Pozzo's read these comments I have made it easier for them. Penso che sia giusto per dire che non sono mai stato un fan di Nani, soprattutto con il suo record di pista sul reclutamento al West Ham, non ha cambiato la mia visione e vedo il flop più che positivi, arrivando suo processo di selezione, questo ovviamente deve bussare morale e fiducia quando si inondano certe posizioni, ci sembra di essere trafitti con centrocampo quando i nostri problemi sono davanti o dietro. Credo veramente Nani è chiamare i colpi sopra tutto il club, lo stipendio sorta di conferma anche di questo, spero la lealtà dare del Pozzo che lui non è a costo alla nostra progressione, come credo anche il fallimento della squadra per ottenere la promozione è più a che fare con la nostra assunzione rispetto l'allenatore/manager che è francamente una situazione folle, ma uno che è riflettente qui a Watford con l'attuale set up come esso èZola è un gentiluomo e non credo che sentiremo pubblicamente da lui ri il problema con l'assunzione ma in campo è evidente, Deeney, Murray e Doyley sono stati grandi parti continui della squadra e hanno nulla a che fare con il reclutamento di Nani fuori una squadra di 11 che è un peepee ritorno povero ss 240 k un anno!!! Oltre che con il pool di disponibilità di giocatori da 2 altri club non è stato difficile per Nani di entrare in possesso dei giocatori, la questione è semplice, se non nella sorella squadre, perché non sono, essi sono come talento o fanno bisogno giocando tempo per tornare nella scanalatura, ci farà una differenza alla loro carriera per un effetto positivo con il ritmo del campionato di calcio e come sappiamo dal flop ci hanno assunto la risposta di solito è NO! Forse è il momento per il Pozzo per l'uomo e non incolpare l'allenatore e Manager per tutto il tempo! corbindallas
  • Score: 0

10:00am Fri 28 Feb 14

Kismet110 says...

Interesting article, maybe a little suspect to mention his salary though; yes, 20K a month is a hell of a lot of money but that's probably a lot less than some our players are on and some of them have underperformed big time.

But we all like scapegoats so if it's not a player, the manager or the East Stand Jinx then may as well target the Technical Director.

I'm not defending him by the way but any manager worth his salt will specify what players he needs and then it's the TD's job to pursue said player or, at the most, offer players he thinks might be available to a manager.

If that isn't the way it's working then things do need to be changed. Selective rather than scattergun and narrow rather than numerous - it could not have been easy for Zola having to deal with so many new players especially as so many came from other countries, cultures or backgrounds.

Last season was (mostly) amazing, this season has been (mostly) awful; be interesting to see what happens next season.
Interesting article, maybe a little suspect to mention his salary though; yes, 20K a month is a hell of a lot of money but that's probably a lot less than some our players are on and some of them have underperformed big time. But we all like scapegoats so if it's not a player, the manager or the East Stand Jinx then may as well target the Technical Director. I'm not defending him by the way but any manager worth his salt will specify what players he needs and then it's the TD's job to pursue said player or, at the most, offer players he thinks might be available to a manager. If that isn't the way it's working then things do need to be changed. Selective rather than scattergun and narrow rather than numerous - it could not have been easy for Zola having to deal with so many new players especially as so many came from other countries, cultures or backgrounds. Last season was (mostly) amazing, this season has been (mostly) awful; be interesting to see what happens next season. Kismet110
  • Score: 1

4:38pm Fri 28 Feb 14

buckler says...

240 k plus back handers! Must be getting them from some of the tripe he's brought in agents!
240 k plus back handers! Must be getting them from some of the tripe he's brought in agents! buckler
  • Score: 1

5:42pm Fri 28 Feb 14

mickallen57 says...

I guess we will have to wait till the end of the season to judge . Yes there does seem to be a scatter gun approach . But as stated above we are attracting players now that we wouldn't even dream of signing before. Added to the large squad and change of manager I don't think we are doing badly at all. I believe the Pozzo ' s will get this right and it may just click sooner rather than later. We just need to click and when we do watch them go. COYH
I guess we will have to wait till the end of the season to judge . Yes there does seem to be a scatter gun approach . But as stated above we are attracting players now that we wouldn't even dream of signing before. Added to the large squad and change of manager I don't think we are doing badly at all. I believe the Pozzo ' s will get this right and it may just click sooner rather than later. We just need to click and when we do watch them go. COYH mickallen57
  • Score: 1

6:07pm Fri 28 Feb 14

watfordrick says...

LB-Goldenboy wrote:
watfordrick wrote:
tiger bay wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
By refusing to give an interview Nani set himself up for that article and the salary jibe. Personally I don't need the next few months to tell if it's money well spent. One other thing, If McGugan has been a success I wouldn't like to see him fail.
And this week's victim of your sustained bullying campaign is. ......Lewis McGugan!!! A very talented player who's had an up and down season but wouldn't surprise the more knowledgeable fans if he excelled next season ..if he's given the chance to build some confidence without the fickle hecklers. ...
Wasn't popular with forest fans either promised much but delivered little but you never know!
Forest fans loved him, they were gutted when he left!
Dream on ! He's 25 he's not gonna get any better. He never made if at Forest and he ain't made it so far here.
[quote][p][bold]LB-Goldenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watfordrick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: By refusing to give an interview Nani set himself up for that article and the salary jibe. Personally I don't need the next few months to tell if it's money well spent. One other thing, If McGugan has been a success I wouldn't like to see him fail.[/p][/quote]And this week's victim of your sustained bullying campaign is. ......Lewis McGugan!!! A very talented player who's had an up and down season but wouldn't surprise the more knowledgeable fans if he excelled next season ..if he's given the chance to build some confidence without the fickle hecklers. ...[/p][/quote]Wasn't popular with forest fans either promised much but delivered little but you never know![/p][/quote]Forest fans loved him, they were gutted when he left![/p][/quote]Dream on ! He's 25 he's not gonna get any better. He never made if at Forest and he ain't made it so far here. watfordrick
  • Score: -1

6:12pm Fri 28 Feb 14

watfordrick says...

tiger bay wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
By refusing to give an interview Nani set himself up for that article and the salary jibe. Personally I don't need the next few months to tell if it's money well spent. One other thing, If McGugan has been a success I wouldn't like to see him fail.
And this week's victim of your sustained bullying campaign is. ......Lewis McGugan!!! A very talented player who's had an up and down season but wouldn't surprise the more knowledgeable fans if he excelled next season ..if he's given the chance to build some confidence without the fickle hecklers. ...
Are you counting yourself as one of the more knowledgeable fans? Mcgugan aged 25 didn't make it at Forest and so far not making the grade here. On what basis do he think he's gonna excel next season? He's just one of them players has a bit of talent but missing that something whether its attitude, effort or footballing brain I don't know, just don't bank on him setting the world alight next season!
[quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: By refusing to give an interview Nani set himself up for that article and the salary jibe. Personally I don't need the next few months to tell if it's money well spent. One other thing, If McGugan has been a success I wouldn't like to see him fail.[/p][/quote]And this week's victim of your sustained bullying campaign is. ......Lewis McGugan!!! A very talented player who's had an up and down season but wouldn't surprise the more knowledgeable fans if he excelled next season ..if he's given the chance to build some confidence without the fickle hecklers. ...[/p][/quote]Are you counting yourself as one of the more knowledgeable fans? Mcgugan aged 25 didn't make it at Forest and so far not making the grade here. On what basis do he think he's gonna excel next season? He's just one of them players has a bit of talent but missing that something whether its attitude, effort or footballing brain I don't know, just don't bank on him setting the world alight next season! watfordrick
  • Score: -3

8:35pm Sat 1 Mar 14

1234566789 says...

watfordrick wrote:
tiger bay wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
By refusing to give an interview Nani set himself up for that article and the salary jibe. Personally I don't need the next few months to tell if it's money well spent. One other thing, If McGugan has been a success I wouldn't like to see him fail.
And this week's victim of your sustained bullying campaign is. ......Lewis McGugan!!! A very talented player who's had an up and down season but wouldn't surprise the more knowledgeable fans if he excelled next season ..if he's given the chance to build some confidence without the fickle hecklers. ...
Are you counting yourself as one of the more knowledgeable fans? Mcgugan aged 25 didn't make it at Forest and so far not making the grade here. On what basis do he think he's gonna excel next season? He's just one of them players has a bit of talent but missing that something whether its attitude, effort or footballing brain I don't know, just don't bank on him setting the world alight next season!
He played over 200 matches and scored 40 goals at Forest. In what way did he not make it?
[quote][p][bold]watfordrick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: By refusing to give an interview Nani set himself up for that article and the salary jibe. Personally I don't need the next few months to tell if it's money well spent. One other thing, If McGugan has been a success I wouldn't like to see him fail.[/p][/quote]And this week's victim of your sustained bullying campaign is. ......Lewis McGugan!!! A very talented player who's had an up and down season but wouldn't surprise the more knowledgeable fans if he excelled next season ..if he's given the chance to build some confidence without the fickle hecklers. ...[/p][/quote]Are you counting yourself as one of the more knowledgeable fans? Mcgugan aged 25 didn't make it at Forest and so far not making the grade here. On what basis do he think he's gonna excel next season? He's just one of them players has a bit of talent but missing that something whether its attitude, effort or footballing brain I don't know, just don't bank on him setting the world alight next season![/p][/quote]He played over 200 matches and scored 40 goals at Forest. In what way did he not make it? 1234566789
  • Score: 3

4:44pm Fri 7 Mar 14

grahamwfc says...

Diakite and excel in midfield. A combination of words you wouldn't expect to see together
Diakite and excel in midfield. A combination of words you wouldn't expect to see together grahamwfc
  • Score: 1

10:05pm Sat 12 Apr 14

llloydwithathirdl says...

Nick El Greco wrote:
llloydwithathirdl wrote:
A pretty harsh article. He's made some very good signings, there is always going to be one or two flops, but the good far outways the bad.
name one. The Italian based organisation sent us all the decent players, including it';s pretty obvious, Tozser. The only one who might make anything of himself that he's brought in is Ikpeazu, but instead of getting game time in the remainder of a dead season he's at Crewe and we've got a QPR loan player who we can't afford to buy.
It should also be remembered he was instrumental in getting the Pozzos to buy the club.
[quote][p][bold]Nick El Greco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]llloydwithathirdl[/bold] wrote: A pretty harsh article. He's made some very good signings, there is always going to be one or two flops, but the good far outways the bad.[/p][/quote]name one. The Italian based organisation sent us all the decent players, including it';s pretty obvious, Tozser. The only one who might make anything of himself that he's brought in is Ikpeazu, but instead of getting game time in the remainder of a dead season he's at Crewe and we've got a QPR loan player who we can't afford to buy.[/p][/quote]It should also be remembered he was instrumental in getting the Pozzos to buy the club. llloydwithathirdl
  • Score: 0

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