Watford boss Beppe Sannino apologises to travelling Hornets fans after 2-0 loss at Bolton Wanderers

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Beppe Sannino apologised to Watford’s travelling fans after the 2-0 defeat at Bolton Wanderers and admitted he and his players endured a “bad day at the office”.

First-half goals from Lukas Jutkiewicz and Joe Mason were enough to seal all three points for the hosts who were deserving winners and could have made the victory more emphatic with great chances in both halves.

Sannino admitted it was a disappointing day all round for his team and said sorry to the 638 Watford supporters who had made the long trip to the Reebok Stadium.

“It was a bad day at the office today for all of us but what I want to say in particular is sorry to all the people from Watford who came here today to watch the game,” Sannino said.

“I know it’s not possible but if I could I would like to replay the game now.”

The defeat brings to an end an encouraging run of form that had seen Watford go unbeaten in five matches and Sannino believes the result shows his team still has a lot of work to do defensively.

“I am disappointed as well because today we ended a good run; it was five games that we were unbeaten,” he said.

“Maybe today we were in a position to start thinking we have found our solidity in terms of shape and organisation.

“But today we lacked a lot in this part of the pitch and we were exposed by Bolton who caused us problems.”

The Italian added: “We will forget try to forget today as soon as possible but at the same time I don't want us to forget it because we made a lot of mistakes.”

Sannino made changes in the second half to try to turn the game around as the team adopted a 4-3-3 formation within five minutes of the restart.

The Hornets head coach was planning to be more offensive in the second period but was also forced into a change due to an injury to Marco Cassetti, who was replaced by Daniel Pudil.

“I was thinking to change the system during half-time because we were 2-0 down and we had to try to do better in the second half.

“The change was also a little bit anticipated because Cassetti had to come off.”

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6:19pm Sat 22 Feb 14

endean2 says...

I am sure there were encouraging signs for the future,
Ok, apparently not, but you should try to fit that comment in.
I am sure there were encouraging signs for the future, Ok, apparently not, but you should try to fit that comment in. endean2
  • Score: -5

6:27pm Sat 22 Feb 14

MUSTOITALIA says...

I have to say I really like Sannino and I think he has done pretty well lets not forget as animated as he is it is not him on the pitch playing. I really feel its time to invest in some English players and I have a feeling that what Zola was trying to do but was not allowed. A strong English CB a couple of good British midfielders and a couple of decent strikers. We need to actually buy some players as I feel the players we have not loaned from our parent clubs are pretty successful (Chalobah Toszer Bellerin Thorne) if we brought those 4 and had them from the beginning of this season as well as a fit Abdi and Sannino I think the position would definitely top four. I am hoping that we will use this close of season to identify weakness and new targets. I think a British manager who is allowed to buy his own players and has a good UK back staff would probably be what's best for us and then let him source the players from the parent clubs and actually buy some established tough experienced championship players. I hope we keep Toszer.
I have to say I really like Sannino and I think he has done pretty well lets not forget as animated as he is it is not him on the pitch playing. I really feel its time to invest in some English players and I have a feeling that what Zola was trying to do but was not allowed. A strong English CB a couple of good British midfielders and a couple of decent strikers. We need to actually buy some players as I feel the players we have not loaned from our parent clubs are pretty successful (Chalobah Toszer Bellerin Thorne) if we brought those 4 and had them from the beginning of this season as well as a fit Abdi and Sannino I think the position would definitely top four. I am hoping that we will use this close of season to identify weakness and new targets. I think a British manager who is allowed to buy his own players and has a good UK back staff would probably be what's best for us and then let him source the players from the parent clubs and actually buy some established tough experienced championship players. I hope we keep Toszer. MUSTOITALIA
  • Score: 14

7:26pm Sat 22 Feb 14

andyandyandy says...

MUSTOITALIA wrote:
I have to say I really like Sannino and I think he has done pretty well lets not forget as animated as he is it is not him on the pitch playing. I really feel its time to invest in some English players and I have a feeling that what Zola was trying to do but was not allowed. A strong English CB a couple of good British midfielders and a couple of decent strikers. We need to actually buy some players as I feel the players we have not loaned from our parent clubs are pretty successful (Chalobah Toszer Bellerin Thorne) if we brought those 4 and had them from the beginning of this season as well as a fit Abdi and Sannino I think the position would definitely top four. I am hoping that we will use this close of season to identify weakness and new targets. I think a British manager who is allowed to buy his own players and has a good UK back staff would probably be what's best for us and then let him source the players from the parent clubs and actually buy some established tough experienced championship players. I hope we keep Toszer.
In an ideal world yes. But under the Pozzo model that is never going to happen. As long as they own out club we will be a show room for players they want to move on for a profit.
I'm starting to think that in England this model will not work. They underestimated the quality and toughness of the English second tier. They players they send over are mostly not good enough. They will not spend to get the players we need.
Unfortunately I can see them realising this at some stage and pulling out. Reinvesting in another team in an easier league.
[quote][p][bold]MUSTOITALIA[/bold] wrote: I have to say I really like Sannino and I think he has done pretty well lets not forget as animated as he is it is not him on the pitch playing. I really feel its time to invest in some English players and I have a feeling that what Zola was trying to do but was not allowed. A strong English CB a couple of good British midfielders and a couple of decent strikers. We need to actually buy some players as I feel the players we have not loaned from our parent clubs are pretty successful (Chalobah Toszer Bellerin Thorne) if we brought those 4 and had them from the beginning of this season as well as a fit Abdi and Sannino I think the position would definitely top four. I am hoping that we will use this close of season to identify weakness and new targets. I think a British manager who is allowed to buy his own players and has a good UK back staff would probably be what's best for us and then let him source the players from the parent clubs and actually buy some established tough experienced championship players. I hope we keep Toszer.[/p][/quote]In an ideal world yes. But under the Pozzo model that is never going to happen. As long as they own out club we will be a show room for players they want to move on for a profit. I'm starting to think that in England this model will not work. They underestimated the quality and toughness of the English second tier. They players they send over are mostly not good enough. They will not spend to get the players we need. Unfortunately I can see them realising this at some stage and pulling out. Reinvesting in another team in an easier league. andyandyandy
  • Score: -10

7:34pm Sat 22 Feb 14

JohnnyBarnes says...

MUSTOITALIA wrote:
I have to say I really like Sannino and I think he has done pretty well lets not forget as animated as he is it is not him on the pitch playing. I really feel its time to invest in some English players and I have a feeling that what Zola was trying to do but was not allowed. A strong English CB a couple of good British midfielders and a couple of decent strikers. We need to actually buy some players as I feel the players we have not loaned from our parent clubs are pretty successful (Chalobah Toszer Bellerin Thorne) if we brought those 4 and had them from the beginning of this season as well as a fit Abdi and Sannino I think the position would definitely top four. I am hoping that we will use this close of season to identify weakness and new targets. I think a British manager who is allowed to buy his own players and has a good UK back staff would probably be what's best for us and then let him source the players from the parent clubs and actually buy some established tough experienced championship players. I hope we keep Toszer.
I like Sannino too, but I have to say that I disagree with your comment about British players. Nationality is irrelevant.

For me, McGugan would be one of the last midfielders on the teamsheet. He's lazy and highly inconsistent. Contrast him to Battocchio, who never stops running, genuinely loves the club, can pass the ball and you know what you'll get from him every week. Can't go wrong with him, Murray and Tozser in the middle of the pitch next season.

I think there are a number of reasons that we've had a disappointing season this season; but the biggest ones for me are...

- Not enough leaders on the pitch. Deeney calls himself a leader, but today: never have I seen a player move so little yet moan so much about not getting a pass... and at 2-0 down, there were a couple of Bolton injuries that gave him the chance to walk around and rally the troops - god knows they needed it - but he just stood there with his hands on his hips!
- Abdi. Whichever way you cut it, that guy pulls the strings and is a calming influence in the middle of the pitch. Huge miss.
- and talking of huge misses, Vydra and Chalobah. I don't believe we've missed Hogg so much, but last season we were attacking at lightning speed because we had Vydra's pace and finishing and Chalobah had the class to find him with a single pass. This year, no-one sits on the shoulder and passes are going sideways more than forwards, so 3-on-3's very quickly become 3-on-6's. It's a lot more pedestrian than it was last season.
- Expectation. Fans expect, and get on the back of the players. The players expect, and so get frustrated more easily - with each other in the main, as I witnessed today. And the opposition expect, which means they are far more prepared for us than they were last season.
Having lost Vydra and Chalobah in particular, expectations should've been lower than they were. Yes, they're only two players... but they were massive for us. Take out Messi and Iniesta, or Van Persie and Rooney, or Suarez and Gerrard, and you've got a different team. MV and NC had big boots to fill and I don't believe that's been done.
- The players last season knew what their jobs were. This season, they look confused. There were disagreements as the second half was kicking off between a number of players about who was supposed to be stood where! Unacceptable really. Constant changes in formation and personnel really don't help... particularly when things aren't going well. When times are tough, pick your best team to play in their favoured formation - every week. That's not happened.

I think we need to spend the next few weeks planning for the future.
Who's our manager going to be?
How many of the current crop look likely to get us up next season?
What gaps does that leave?

I look at Udinese and Granada and KNOW that we are in great hands, no question... but today made me realise how far off we are at the moment - even in comparison with last season.
[quote][p][bold]MUSTOITALIA[/bold] wrote: I have to say I really like Sannino and I think he has done pretty well lets not forget as animated as he is it is not him on the pitch playing. I really feel its time to invest in some English players and I have a feeling that what Zola was trying to do but was not allowed. A strong English CB a couple of good British midfielders and a couple of decent strikers. We need to actually buy some players as I feel the players we have not loaned from our parent clubs are pretty successful (Chalobah Toszer Bellerin Thorne) if we brought those 4 and had them from the beginning of this season as well as a fit Abdi and Sannino I think the position would definitely top four. I am hoping that we will use this close of season to identify weakness and new targets. I think a British manager who is allowed to buy his own players and has a good UK back staff would probably be what's best for us and then let him source the players from the parent clubs and actually buy some established tough experienced championship players. I hope we keep Toszer.[/p][/quote]I like Sannino too, but I have to say that I disagree with your comment about British players. Nationality is irrelevant. For me, McGugan would be one of the last midfielders on the teamsheet. He's lazy and highly inconsistent. Contrast him to Battocchio, who never stops running, genuinely loves the club, can pass the ball and you know what you'll get from him every week. Can't go wrong with him, Murray and Tozser in the middle of the pitch next season. I think there are a number of reasons that we've had a disappointing season this season; but the biggest ones for me are... - Not enough leaders on the pitch. Deeney calls himself a leader, but today: never have I seen a player move so little yet moan so much about not getting a pass... and at 2-0 down, there were a couple of Bolton injuries that gave him the chance to walk around and rally the troops - god knows they needed it - but he just stood there with his hands on his hips! - Abdi. Whichever way you cut it, that guy pulls the strings and is a calming influence in the middle of the pitch. Huge miss. - and talking of huge misses, Vydra and Chalobah. I don't believe we've missed Hogg so much, but last season we were attacking at lightning speed because we had Vydra's pace and finishing and Chalobah had the class to find him with a single pass. This year, no-one sits on the shoulder and passes are going sideways more than forwards, so 3-on-3's very quickly become 3-on-6's. It's a lot more pedestrian than it was last season. - Expectation. Fans expect, and get on the back of the players. The players expect, and so get frustrated more easily - with each other in the main, as I witnessed today. And the opposition expect, which means they are far more prepared for us than they were last season. Having lost Vydra and Chalobah in particular, expectations should've been lower than they were. Yes, they're only two players... but they were massive for us. Take out Messi and Iniesta, or Van Persie and Rooney, or Suarez and Gerrard, and you've got a different team. MV and NC had big boots to fill and I don't believe that's been done. - The players last season knew what their jobs were. This season, they look confused. There were disagreements as the second half was kicking off between a number of players about who was supposed to be stood where! Unacceptable really. Constant changes in formation and personnel really don't help... particularly when things aren't going well. When times are tough, pick your best team to play in their favoured formation - every week. That's not happened. I think we need to spend the next few weeks planning for the future. Who's our manager going to be? How many of the current crop look likely to get us up next season? What gaps does that leave? I look at Udinese and Granada and KNOW that we are in great hands, no question... but today made me realise how far off we are at the moment - even in comparison with last season. JohnnyBarnes
  • Score: 64

7:35pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Ramageland says...

Fair play but if they played properly in the first place he wouldn't have to apologise.
Fair play but if they played properly in the first place he wouldn't have to apologise. Ramageland
  • Score: 9

7:54pm Sat 22 Feb 14

only5foot3 says...

Least we can still have a say in redknapps season. Aswell as holloway who must be bricking it. Taking another side down from mid season after Leicester
Least we can still have a say in redknapps season. Aswell as holloway who must be bricking it. Taking another side down from mid season after Leicester only5foot3
  • Score: 4

7:57pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Hornankey says...

I tend to agree with much of andyandyandy's comment. As a life-long supporter I wonder about the ambition that the current owners have for the Club. We rank a clear third in their portfolio of three. I doubt that we will see money spent in the transfer market to improve our lot - the Club appears to be the repository for players not good enough for its sister clubs, boosted by a series of mediocre loans (Tozser excepted). I hope that I am wrong. Time will tell.
I tend to agree with much of andyandyandy's comment. As a life-long supporter I wonder about the ambition that the current owners have for the Club. We rank a clear third in their portfolio of three. I doubt that we will see money spent in the transfer market to improve our lot - the Club appears to be the repository for players not good enough for its sister clubs, boosted by a series of mediocre loans (Tozser excepted). I hope that I am wrong. Time will tell. Hornankey
  • Score: -17

8:23pm Sat 22 Feb 14

RobboBTC says...

Extremely surprised people are questioning the ambition of the current owners and suggesting they may invest in a team in an easier league. The Pozzo's have stated time and time again they are in this for the long haul and it's not a case of if Watford get into the Premiership, it's a case of when. In England we aren't used to the European model of player recruitment but with more foreign owners and managers this will increase. It seems we are scrutinising absolutely every signing and expect them all to be a success. I don't think we have done too badly over the past two seasons in that department...Abdi, Vydra, Anya, Toszer and Angella to name a few that spring to mind. Answer this, if the manager recruited the players would that guarantee every new player would be a success...of course not. I think we all need to take a step back from time to time and look at the bigger picture..the club is financially stable, we have s new stand being built, we are attracting players we would never have signed a couple of years ago. There has been so much change at the club and we will get it right. It's quite pleasant looking to get promoted when the new season starts instead of worrying about relegation which was previously the case. Finally just think where we would be now if that total scumbag Bassini was in charge. COYH.
Extremely surprised people are questioning the ambition of the current owners and suggesting they may invest in a team in an easier league. The Pozzo's have stated time and time again they are in this for the long haul and it's not a case of if Watford get into the Premiership, it's a case of when. In England we aren't used to the European model of player recruitment but with more foreign owners and managers this will increase. It seems we are scrutinising absolutely every signing and expect them all to be a success. I don't think we have done too badly over the past two seasons in that department...Abdi, Vydra, Anya, Toszer and Angella to name a few that spring to mind. Answer this, if the manager recruited the players would that guarantee every new player would be a success...of course not. I think we all need to take a step back from time to time and look at the bigger picture..the club is financially stable, we have s new stand being built, we are attracting players we would never have signed a couple of years ago. There has been so much change at the club and we will get it right. It's quite pleasant looking to get promoted when the new season starts instead of worrying about relegation which was previously the case. Finally just think where we would be now if that total scumbag Bassini was in charge. COYH. RobboBTC
  • Score: 88

8:32pm Sat 22 Feb 14

berkshire orn says...

Well said RobboBTC

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Well said RobboBTC uuuuuuoooorrrrnnnnss sssss berkshire orn
  • Score: 16

8:36pm Sat 22 Feb 14

JohnnyBarnes says...

RobboBTC wrote:
Extremely surprised people are questioning the ambition of the current owners and suggesting they may invest in a team in an easier league. The Pozzo's have stated time and time again they are in this for the long haul and it's not a case of if Watford get into the Premiership, it's a case of when. In England we aren't used to the European model of player recruitment but with more foreign owners and managers this will increase. It seems we are scrutinising absolutely every signing and expect them all to be a success. I don't think we have done too badly over the past two seasons in that department...Abdi, Vydra, Anya, Toszer and Angella to name a few that spring to mind. Answer this, if the manager recruited the players would that guarantee every new player would be a success...of course not. I think we all need to take a step back from time to time and look at the bigger picture..the club is financially stable, we have s new stand being built, we are attracting players we would never have signed a couple of years ago. There has been so much change at the club and we will get it right. It's quite pleasant looking to get promoted when the new season starts instead of worrying about relegation which was previously the case. Finally just think where we would be now if that total scumbag Bassini was in charge. COYH.
Exactly right mate

Thought I'd opened the Daily Mail...
[quote][p][bold]RobboBTC[/bold] wrote: Extremely surprised people are questioning the ambition of the current owners and suggesting they may invest in a team in an easier league. The Pozzo's have stated time and time again they are in this for the long haul and it's not a case of if Watford get into the Premiership, it's a case of when. In England we aren't used to the European model of player recruitment but with more foreign owners and managers this will increase. It seems we are scrutinising absolutely every signing and expect them all to be a success. I don't think we have done too badly over the past two seasons in that department...Abdi, Vydra, Anya, Toszer and Angella to name a few that spring to mind. Answer this, if the manager recruited the players would that guarantee every new player would be a success...of course not. I think we all need to take a step back from time to time and look at the bigger picture..the club is financially stable, we have s new stand being built, we are attracting players we would never have signed a couple of years ago. There has been so much change at the club and we will get it right. It's quite pleasant looking to get promoted when the new season starts instead of worrying about relegation which was previously the case. Finally just think where we would be now if that total scumbag Bassini was in charge. COYH.[/p][/quote]Exactly right mate Thought I'd opened the Daily Mail... JohnnyBarnes
  • Score: 23

8:46pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Loyal Supporter says...

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
RobboBTC wrote:
Extremely surprised people are questioning the ambition of the current owners and suggesting they may invest in a team in an easier league. The Pozzo's have stated time and time again they are in this for the long haul and it's not a case of if Watford get into the Premiership, it's a case of when. In England we aren't used to the European model of player recruitment but with more foreign owners and managers this will increase. It seems we are scrutinising absolutely every signing and expect them all to be a success. I don't think we have done too badly over the past two seasons in that department...Abdi, Vydra, Anya, Toszer and Angella to name a few that spring to mind. Answer this, if the manager recruited the players would that guarantee every new player would be a success...of course not. I think we all need to take a step back from time to time and look at the bigger picture..the club is financially stable, we have s new stand being built, we are attracting players we would never have signed a couple of years ago. There has been so much change at the club and we will get it right. It's quite pleasant looking to get promoted when the new season starts instead of worrying about relegation which was previously the case. Finally just think where we would be now if that total scumbag Bassini was in charge. COYH.
Exactly right mate

Thought I'd opened the Daily Mail...
Spot on Robbo - let's get behind our team...from the Pozzo family to Beppe to the coaching staff, the players....and each other too. Personally I never ever dreamed I would see the day I'd be watching the likes of Fernando Forestieri, Daniel Tozser, Gabby Angella (to name but 3) playing for our fantastic club....and I've seen Barnsey, et all down the years. U Horns!!!!
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RobboBTC[/bold] wrote: Extremely surprised people are questioning the ambition of the current owners and suggesting they may invest in a team in an easier league. The Pozzo's have stated time and time again they are in this for the long haul and it's not a case of if Watford get into the Premiership, it's a case of when. In England we aren't used to the European model of player recruitment but with more foreign owners and managers this will increase. It seems we are scrutinising absolutely every signing and expect them all to be a success. I don't think we have done too badly over the past two seasons in that department...Abdi, Vydra, Anya, Toszer and Angella to name a few that spring to mind. Answer this, if the manager recruited the players would that guarantee every new player would be a success...of course not. I think we all need to take a step back from time to time and look at the bigger picture..the club is financially stable, we have s new stand being built, we are attracting players we would never have signed a couple of years ago. There has been so much change at the club and we will get it right. It's quite pleasant looking to get promoted when the new season starts instead of worrying about relegation which was previously the case. Finally just think where we would be now if that total scumbag Bassini was in charge. COYH.[/p][/quote]Exactly right mate Thought I'd opened the Daily Mail...[/p][/quote]Spot on Robbo - let's get behind our team...from the Pozzo family to Beppe to the coaching staff, the players....and each other too. Personally I never ever dreamed I would see the day I'd be watching the likes of Fernando Forestieri, Daniel Tozser, Gabby Angella (to name but 3) playing for our fantastic club....and I've seen Barnsey, et all down the years. U Horns!!!! Loyal Supporter
  • Score: 20

8:50pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Loyal Supporter says...

....and just to add, the moaners and doubters can say it all they want...but we will still be here when most of them are not. There are some of us who will be around even if we ended up in the Conference and we'd still cheer the team on...that my friends is what real supporters do. Barmy Army....Yellow Army!!!
....and just to add, the moaners and doubters can say it all they want...but we will still be here when most of them are not. There are some of us who will be around even if we ended up in the Conference and we'd still cheer the team on...that my friends is what real supporters do. Barmy Army....Yellow Army!!! Loyal Supporter
  • Score: 30

9:18pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Travelling Hornet says...

After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault.
It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack.
The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach.
I don't think he will be here next season.
After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault. It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack. The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach. I don't think he will be here next season. Travelling Hornet
  • Score: 11

9:30pm Sat 22 Feb 14

JohnnyBarnes says...

Travelling Hornet wrote:
After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault.
It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack.
The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach.
I don't think he will be here next season.
I don't think that it is the players fault either

Mourinho turns Chelsea's nearly men into superstars
Dyche turns Burnley's average players into big promotion contenders
McClaren at Derby
... the list goes on

I'm very much in the camp that Sannino has had next to no time to work with our players, but from day one of pre-season, we need have someone in with every intention of giving him three years minimum.

I vote Di Matteo

Wishful thinking?
[quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault. It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack. The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach. I don't think he will be here next season.[/p][/quote]I don't think that it is the players fault either Mourinho turns Chelsea's nearly men into superstars Dyche turns Burnley's average players into big promotion contenders McClaren at Derby ... the list goes on I'm very much in the camp that Sannino has had next to no time to work with our players, but from day one of pre-season, we need have someone in with every intention of giving him three years minimum. I vote Di Matteo Wishful thinking? JohnnyBarnes
  • Score: 7

9:31pm Sat 22 Feb 14

D.unstable says...

I'm afraid we are actually going backwards under Sannino and for me other than waving his arms about on the touch line and flooding the defence I fear that he is out of his depth. I am hoping that he is only a stopgap until that get a decent coach in during the summer. Ok I admit that GFZ stats mean that he did the right thing and fell on his sword, but at least we watched excellent attacking football and could dream of the future, this guy is boring me already.

Sannino stated that some of the players were a little bit tired on Tuesday, today was a bad day at the office...beginning to think he is full of excuses.

Let's just get to safety and then make wholesale changes for next season.
I'm afraid we are actually going backwards under Sannino and for me other than waving his arms about on the touch line and flooding the defence I fear that he is out of his depth. I am hoping that he is only a stopgap until that get a decent coach in during the summer. Ok I admit that GFZ stats mean that he did the right thing and fell on his sword, but at least we watched excellent attacking football and could dream of the future, this guy is boring me already. Sannino stated that some of the players were a little bit tired on Tuesday, today was a bad day at the office...beginning to think he is full of excuses. Let's just get to safety and then make wholesale changes for next season. D.unstable
  • Score: 9

10:30pm Sat 22 Feb 14

jasonwatford says...

Travelling Hornet wrote:
After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault.
It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack.
The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach.
I don't think he will be here next season.
I think your deluded in those comments. I think he will be here next season and I think we will be a much harder team to play against. Rome wasn't built in a day.
[quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault. It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack. The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach. I don't think he will be here next season.[/p][/quote]I think your deluded in those comments. I think he will be here next season and I think we will be a much harder team to play against. Rome wasn't built in a day. jasonwatford
  • Score: -6

11:02pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Sahorn says...

andyandyandy wrote:
MUSTOITALIA wrote:
I have to say I really like Sannino and I think he has done pretty well lets not forget as animated as he is it is not him on the pitch playing. I really feel its time to invest in some English players and I have a feeling that what Zola was trying to do but was not allowed. A strong English CB a couple of good British midfielders and a couple of decent strikers. We need to actually buy some players as I feel the players we have not loaned from our parent clubs are pretty successful (Chalobah Toszer Bellerin Thorne) if we brought those 4 and had them from the beginning of this season as well as a fit Abdi and Sannino I think the position would definitely top four. I am hoping that we will use this close of season to identify weakness and new targets. I think a British manager who is allowed to buy his own players and has a good UK back staff would probably be what's best for us and then let him source the players from the parent clubs and actually buy some established tough experienced championship players. I hope we keep Toszer.
In an ideal world yes. But under the Pozzo model that is never going to happen. As long as they own out club we will be a show room for players they want to move on for a profit.
I'm starting to think that in England this model will not work. They underestimated the quality and toughness of the English second tier. They players they send over are mostly not good enough. They will not spend to get the players we need.
Unfortunately I can see them realising this at some stage and pulling out. Reinvesting in another team in an easier league.
What easier league would provide the treasure chest that awaits in the Premier league?

Pozzos are businessmen and have said they are here for the long haul.

Would be very surprised if the pulled out - makes no financial sense.

We just need a combination of coaching style - Zola attack, Sannino defence, or someone who combines the two like good ol Sean Dyche.

Will be interesting to see what the Pozzos do ...,,...
[quote][p][bold]andyandyandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MUSTOITALIA[/bold] wrote: I have to say I really like Sannino and I think he has done pretty well lets not forget as animated as he is it is not him on the pitch playing. I really feel its time to invest in some English players and I have a feeling that what Zola was trying to do but was not allowed. A strong English CB a couple of good British midfielders and a couple of decent strikers. We need to actually buy some players as I feel the players we have not loaned from our parent clubs are pretty successful (Chalobah Toszer Bellerin Thorne) if we brought those 4 and had them from the beginning of this season as well as a fit Abdi and Sannino I think the position would definitely top four. I am hoping that we will use this close of season to identify weakness and new targets. I think a British manager who is allowed to buy his own players and has a good UK back staff would probably be what's best for us and then let him source the players from the parent clubs and actually buy some established tough experienced championship players. I hope we keep Toszer.[/p][/quote]In an ideal world yes. But under the Pozzo model that is never going to happen. As long as they own out club we will be a show room for players they want to move on for a profit. I'm starting to think that in England this model will not work. They underestimated the quality and toughness of the English second tier. They players they send over are mostly not good enough. They will not spend to get the players we need. Unfortunately I can see them realising this at some stage and pulling out. Reinvesting in another team in an easier league.[/p][/quote]What easier league would provide the treasure chest that awaits in the Premier league? Pozzos are businessmen and have said they are here for the long haul. Would be very surprised if the pulled out - makes no financial sense. We just need a combination of coaching style - Zola attack, Sannino defence, or someone who combines the two like good ol Sean Dyche. Will be interesting to see what the Pozzos do ...,,... Sahorn
  • Score: 5

11:02pm Sat 22 Feb 14

stevyweavy says...

Depressing as apart from FF was probably our strongest formation. Don't know where we go from here. 1 point out of 6 when 4 - 6 points should have been expected - very depressing.
Depressing as apart from FF was probably our strongest formation. Don't know where we go from here. 1 point out of 6 when 4 - 6 points should have been expected - very depressing. stevyweavy
  • Score: 16

11:51pm Sat 22 Feb 14

goldanboy says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault.
It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack.
The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach.
I don't think he will be here next season.
I think your deluded in those comments. I think he will be here next season and I think we will be a much harder team to play against. Rome wasn't built in a day.
We've gone so far backwards since Zola left. Beating ten man Millwall clearly was a case of papering over the cracks. The togetherness seems to have gone. Maybe there's 'clicks' in the dressing room or maybe it's the ever changing squad making players unsettled. It's been the inability to beat the lower teams (like last season) that's been our downfall again, which suggests to me that many of these players aren't cut out for the Championship. Oh well, we'll see what we get off the boat next season...
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault. It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack. The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach. I don't think he will be here next season.[/p][/quote]I think your deluded in those comments. I think he will be here next season and I think we will be a much harder team to play against. Rome wasn't built in a day.[/p][/quote]We've gone so far backwards since Zola left. Beating ten man Millwall clearly was a case of papering over the cracks. The togetherness seems to have gone. Maybe there's 'clicks' in the dressing room or maybe it's the ever changing squad making players unsettled. It's been the inability to beat the lower teams (like last season) that's been our downfall again, which suggests to me that many of these players aren't cut out for the Championship. Oh well, we'll see what we get off the boat next season... goldanboy
  • Score: -7

12:42am Sun 23 Feb 14

rogeruk says...

goldanboy wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault.
It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack.
The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach.
I don't think he will be here next season.
I think your deluded in those comments. I think he will be here next season and I think we will be a much harder team to play against. Rome wasn't built in a day.
We've gone so far backwards since Zola left. Beating ten man Millwall clearly was a case of papering over the cracks. The togetherness seems to have gone. Maybe there's 'clicks' in the dressing room or maybe it's the ever changing squad making players unsettled. It's been the inability to beat the lower teams (like last season) that's been our downfall again, which suggests to me that many of these players aren't cut out for the Championship. Oh well, we'll see what we get off the boat next season...
Zola was not the answer possibly neither is Sannino (Jury is out))
players performance against two very poor teams in a word 'Dross'

Its going wrong Nani and the Pozzos need to to take a good long look at themselves! Radical rethink needed in the summer!
[quote][p][bold]goldanboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault. It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack. The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach. I don't think he will be here next season.[/p][/quote]I think your deluded in those comments. I think he will be here next season and I think we will be a much harder team to play against. Rome wasn't built in a day.[/p][/quote]We've gone so far backwards since Zola left. Beating ten man Millwall clearly was a case of papering over the cracks. The togetherness seems to have gone. Maybe there's 'clicks' in the dressing room or maybe it's the ever changing squad making players unsettled. It's been the inability to beat the lower teams (like last season) that's been our downfall again, which suggests to me that many of these players aren't cut out for the Championship. Oh well, we'll see what we get off the boat next season...[/p][/quote]Zola was not the answer possibly neither is Sannino (Jury is out)) players performance against two very poor teams in a word 'Dross' Its going wrong Nani and the Pozzos need to to take a good long look at themselves! Radical rethink needed in the summer! rogeruk
  • Score: 9

6:55am Sun 23 Feb 14

mellow yellow says...

rogeruk wrote:
goldanboy wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault.
It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack.
The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach.
I don't think he will be here next season.
I think your deluded in those comments. I think he will be here next season and I think we will be a much harder team to play against. Rome wasn't built in a day.
We've gone so far backwards since Zola left. Beating ten man Millwall clearly was a case of papering over the cracks. The togetherness seems to have gone. Maybe there's 'clicks' in the dressing room or maybe it's the ever changing squad making players unsettled. It's been the inability to beat the lower teams (like last season) that's been our downfall again, which suggests to me that many of these players aren't cut out for the Championship. Oh well, we'll see what we get off the boat next season...
Zola was not the answer possibly neither is Sannino (Jury is out))
players performance against two very poor teams in a word 'Dross'

Its going wrong Nani and the Pozzos need to to take a good long look at themselves! Radical rethink needed in the summer!
Taxi for Nani. Actually buy a few players. Pozzos will get it right. Beppe only on a guaranteed contract til end of season. Jury out, yes.

Bring the loan kids back for the last ten games or so, and play them. Then we can rebuild. Season was pretty much over when we lost at home to Yeovil. Borough at home felt massively significant at the time. It doesn't today.

Whatever. Forever yellow.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldanboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault. It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack. The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach. I don't think he will be here next season.[/p][/quote]I think your deluded in those comments. I think he will be here next season and I think we will be a much harder team to play against. Rome wasn't built in a day.[/p][/quote]We've gone so far backwards since Zola left. Beating ten man Millwall clearly was a case of papering over the cracks. The togetherness seems to have gone. Maybe there's 'clicks' in the dressing room or maybe it's the ever changing squad making players unsettled. It's been the inability to beat the lower teams (like last season) that's been our downfall again, which suggests to me that many of these players aren't cut out for the Championship. Oh well, we'll see what we get off the boat next season...[/p][/quote]Zola was not the answer possibly neither is Sannino (Jury is out)) players performance against two very poor teams in a word 'Dross' Its going wrong Nani and the Pozzos need to to take a good long look at themselves! Radical rethink needed in the summer![/p][/quote]Taxi for Nani. Actually buy a few players. Pozzos will get it right. Beppe only on a guaranteed contract til end of season. Jury out, yes. Bring the loan kids back for the last ten games or so, and play them. Then we can rebuild. Season was pretty much over when we lost at home to Yeovil. Borough at home felt massively significant at the time. It doesn't today. Whatever. Forever yellow. mellow yellow
  • Score: 8

8:08am Sun 23 Feb 14

northofwatfordpete says...

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
MUSTOITALIA wrote:
I have to say I really like Sannino and I think he has done pretty well lets not forget as animated as he is it is not him on the pitch playing. I really feel its time to invest in some English players and I have a feeling that what Zola was trying to do but was not allowed. A strong English CB a couple of good British midfielders and a couple of decent strikers. We need to actually buy some players as I feel the players we have not loaned from our parent clubs are pretty successful (Chalobah Toszer Bellerin Thorne) if we brought those 4 and had them from the beginning of this season as well as a fit Abdi and Sannino I think the position would definitely top four. I am hoping that we will use this close of season to identify weakness and new targets. I think a British manager who is allowed to buy his own players and has a good UK back staff would probably be what's best for us and then let him source the players from the parent clubs and actually buy some established tough experienced championship players. I hope we keep Toszer.
I like Sannino too, but I have to say that I disagree with your comment about British players. Nationality is irrelevant.

For me, McGugan would be one of the last midfielders on the teamsheet. He's lazy and highly inconsistent. Contrast him to Battocchio, who never stops running, genuinely loves the club, can pass the ball and you know what you'll get from him every week. Can't go wrong with him, Murray and Tozser in the middle of the pitch next season.

I think there are a number of reasons that we've had a disappointing season this season; but the biggest ones for me are...

- Not enough leaders on the pitch. Deeney calls himself a leader, but today: never have I seen a player move so little yet moan so much about not getting a pass... and at 2-0 down, there were a couple of Bolton injuries that gave him the chance to walk around and rally the troops - god knows they needed it - but he just stood there with his hands on his hips!
- Abdi. Whichever way you cut it, that guy pulls the strings and is a calming influence in the middle of the pitch. Huge miss.
- and talking of huge misses, Vydra and Chalobah. I don't believe we've missed Hogg so much, but last season we were attacking at lightning speed because we had Vydra's pace and finishing and Chalobah had the class to find him with a single pass. This year, no-one sits on the shoulder and passes are going sideways more than forwards, so 3-on-3's very quickly become 3-on-6's. It's a lot more pedestrian than it was last season.
- Expectation. Fans expect, and get on the back of the players. The players expect, and so get frustrated more easily - with each other in the main, as I witnessed today. And the opposition expect, which means they are far more prepared for us than they were last season.
Having lost Vydra and Chalobah in particular, expectations should've been lower than they were. Yes, they're only two players... but they were massive for us. Take out Messi and Iniesta, or Van Persie and Rooney, or Suarez and Gerrard, and you've got a different team. MV and NC had big boots to fill and I don't believe that's been done.
- The players last season knew what their jobs were. This season, they look confused. There were disagreements as the second half was kicking off between a number of players about who was supposed to be stood where! Unacceptable really. Constant changes in formation and personnel really don't help... particularly when things aren't going well. When times are tough, pick your best team to play in their favoured formation - every week. That's not happened.

I think we need to spend the next few weeks planning for the future.
Who's our manager going to be?
How many of the current crop look likely to get us up next season?
What gaps does that leave?

I look at Udinese and Granada and KNOW that we are in great hands, no question... but today made me realise how far off we are at the moment - even in comparison with last season.
Eustace and Forsyth are doing pretty well at Derby.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MUSTOITALIA[/bold] wrote: I have to say I really like Sannino and I think he has done pretty well lets not forget as animated as he is it is not him on the pitch playing. I really feel its time to invest in some English players and I have a feeling that what Zola was trying to do but was not allowed. A strong English CB a couple of good British midfielders and a couple of decent strikers. We need to actually buy some players as I feel the players we have not loaned from our parent clubs are pretty successful (Chalobah Toszer Bellerin Thorne) if we brought those 4 and had them from the beginning of this season as well as a fit Abdi and Sannino I think the position would definitely top four. I am hoping that we will use this close of season to identify weakness and new targets. I think a British manager who is allowed to buy his own players and has a good UK back staff would probably be what's best for us and then let him source the players from the parent clubs and actually buy some established tough experienced championship players. I hope we keep Toszer.[/p][/quote]I like Sannino too, but I have to say that I disagree with your comment about British players. Nationality is irrelevant. For me, McGugan would be one of the last midfielders on the teamsheet. He's lazy and highly inconsistent. Contrast him to Battocchio, who never stops running, genuinely loves the club, can pass the ball and you know what you'll get from him every week. Can't go wrong with him, Murray and Tozser in the middle of the pitch next season. I think there are a number of reasons that we've had a disappointing season this season; but the biggest ones for me are... - Not enough leaders on the pitch. Deeney calls himself a leader, but today: never have I seen a player move so little yet moan so much about not getting a pass... and at 2-0 down, there were a couple of Bolton injuries that gave him the chance to walk around and rally the troops - god knows they needed it - but he just stood there with his hands on his hips! - Abdi. Whichever way you cut it, that guy pulls the strings and is a calming influence in the middle of the pitch. Huge miss. - and talking of huge misses, Vydra and Chalobah. I don't believe we've missed Hogg so much, but last season we were attacking at lightning speed because we had Vydra's pace and finishing and Chalobah had the class to find him with a single pass. This year, no-one sits on the shoulder and passes are going sideways more than forwards, so 3-on-3's very quickly become 3-on-6's. It's a lot more pedestrian than it was last season. - Expectation. Fans expect, and get on the back of the players. The players expect, and so get frustrated more easily - with each other in the main, as I witnessed today. And the opposition expect, which means they are far more prepared for us than they were last season. Having lost Vydra and Chalobah in particular, expectations should've been lower than they were. Yes, they're only two players... but they were massive for us. Take out Messi and Iniesta, or Van Persie and Rooney, or Suarez and Gerrard, and you've got a different team. MV and NC had big boots to fill and I don't believe that's been done. - The players last season knew what their jobs were. This season, they look confused. There were disagreements as the second half was kicking off between a number of players about who was supposed to be stood where! Unacceptable really. Constant changes in formation and personnel really don't help... particularly when things aren't going well. When times are tough, pick your best team to play in their favoured formation - every week. That's not happened. I think we need to spend the next few weeks planning for the future. Who's our manager going to be? How many of the current crop look likely to get us up next season? What gaps does that leave? I look at Udinese and Granada and KNOW that we are in great hands, no question... but today made me realise how far off we are at the moment - even in comparison with last season.[/p][/quote]Eustace and Forsyth are doing pretty well at Derby. northofwatfordpete
  • Score: 3

8:09am Sun 23 Feb 14

SAHornet says...

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault.
It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack.
The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach.
I don't think he will be here next season.
I don't think that it is the players fault either

Mourinho turns Chelsea's nearly men into superstars
Dyche turns Burnley's average players into big promotion contenders
McClaren at Derby
... the list goes on

I'm very much in the camp that Sannino has had next to no time to work with our players, but from day one of pre-season, we need have someone in with every intention of giving him three years minimum.

I vote Di Matteo

Wishful thinking?
Would love to see Di Mateo or someone of his pedigree but who will work with Nani making his very poor recruitment choices? Recruitment system needs to change , giving the head-coach much more input into the players he wants to pull on the yellow. Just my honest opinion.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault. It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack. The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach. I don't think he will be here next season.[/p][/quote]I don't think that it is the players fault either Mourinho turns Chelsea's nearly men into superstars Dyche turns Burnley's average players into big promotion contenders McClaren at Derby ... the list goes on I'm very much in the camp that Sannino has had next to no time to work with our players, but from day one of pre-season, we need have someone in with every intention of giving him three years minimum. I vote Di Matteo Wishful thinking?[/p][/quote]Would love to see Di Mateo or someone of his pedigree but who will work with Nani making his very poor recruitment choices? Recruitment system needs to change , giving the head-coach much more input into the players he wants to pull on the yellow. Just my honest opinion. SAHornet
  • Score: 13

8:27am Sun 23 Feb 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

SAHornet wrote:
JohnnyBarnes wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault.
It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack.
The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach.
I don't think he will be here next season.
I don't think that it is the players fault either

Mourinho turns Chelsea's nearly men into superstars
Dyche turns Burnley's average players into big promotion contenders
McClaren at Derby
... the list goes on

I'm very much in the camp that Sannino has had next to no time to work with our players, but from day one of pre-season, we need have someone in with every intention of giving him three years minimum.

I vote Di Matteo

Wishful thinking?
Would love to see Di Mateo or someone of his pedigree but who will work with Nani making his very poor recruitment choices? Recruitment system needs to change , giving the head-coach much more input into the players he wants to pull on the yellow. Just my honest opinion.
Yesterday, more than ever, we looked like a bunch of individuals pretending to be a team. Certain players trying to fit into roles and positions that they seem naive about. We played far too high a defensive line and were caught with simple through balls. By the time we realised that it was too late.
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault. It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack. The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach. I don't think he will be here next season.[/p][/quote]I don't think that it is the players fault either Mourinho turns Chelsea's nearly men into superstars Dyche turns Burnley's average players into big promotion contenders McClaren at Derby ... the list goes on I'm very much in the camp that Sannino has had next to no time to work with our players, but from day one of pre-season, we need have someone in with every intention of giving him three years minimum. I vote Di Matteo Wishful thinking?[/p][/quote]Would love to see Di Mateo or someone of his pedigree but who will work with Nani making his very poor recruitment choices? Recruitment system needs to change , giving the head-coach much more input into the players he wants to pull on the yellow. Just my honest opinion.[/p][/quote]Yesterday, more than ever, we looked like a bunch of individuals pretending to be a team. Certain players trying to fit into roles and positions that they seem naive about. We played far too high a defensive line and were caught with simple through balls. By the time we realised that it was too late. The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 7

8:39am Sun 23 Feb 14

VOReason says...

Class: abdi angella ekstrand (last year) vydra chalobah tozcer anya fessi almunia

Decent: pudil battochio Thorne bellerin

Failings: fabbrini neuton geijo French left back beleck ireney

Jury out: Merkel ranegie park mcgugan faraoni belkhalem diakiti (cant write off after less than one hour)

I probably missed a few but there are mire hits than misses.

I would like to think a real a1 coach would have achieved promotion either year. I imagine the pozzos feel the same.
Class: abdi angella ekstrand (last year) vydra chalobah tozcer anya fessi almunia Decent: pudil battochio Thorne bellerin Failings: fabbrini neuton geijo French left back beleck ireney Jury out: Merkel ranegie park mcgugan faraoni belkhalem diakiti (cant write off after less than one hour) I probably missed a few but there are mire hits than misses. I would like to think a real a1 coach would have achieved promotion either year. I imagine the pozzos feel the same. VOReason
  • Score: 9

8:49am Sun 23 Feb 14

SAHornet says...

The BestTrip2011 wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
JohnnyBarnes wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault.
It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack.
The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach.
I don't think he will be here next season.
I don't think that it is the players fault either

Mourinho turns Chelsea's nearly men into superstars
Dyche turns Burnley's average players into big promotion contenders
McClaren at Derby
... the list goes on

I'm very much in the camp that Sannino has had next to no time to work with our players, but from day one of pre-season, we need have someone in with every intention of giving him three years minimum.

I vote Di Matteo

Wishful thinking?
Would love to see Di Mateo or someone of his pedigree but who will work with Nani making his very poor recruitment choices? Recruitment system needs to change , giving the head-coach much more input into the players he wants to pull on the yellow. Just my honest opinion.
Yesterday, more than ever, we looked like a bunch of individuals pretending to be a team. Certain players trying to fit into roles and positions that they seem naive about. We played far too high a defensive line and were caught with simple through balls. By the time we realised that it was too late.
Watcha Keith, yeah that pretty much confirms my own feelings. Think the foreign way of doing things may not be easy to implement at WFC - different cultures, different languages, different footballing techniques, different personalities etc are not going to be easy to weave into one coherent footballing system that can produce consistent quality performances but one thing's for sure, you need a recruitment officer that knows what he's doing or preferably a coach that is confident enough to be proactive himself in the reruitment process. 'kin hot here right now - quite unusual for a pe summer - going for a swim. tata
[quote][p][bold]The BestTrip2011[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault. It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack. The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach. I don't think he will be here next season.[/p][/quote]I don't think that it is the players fault either Mourinho turns Chelsea's nearly men into superstars Dyche turns Burnley's average players into big promotion contenders McClaren at Derby ... the list goes on I'm very much in the camp that Sannino has had next to no time to work with our players, but from day one of pre-season, we need have someone in with every intention of giving him three years minimum. I vote Di Matteo Wishful thinking?[/p][/quote]Would love to see Di Mateo or someone of his pedigree but who will work with Nani making his very poor recruitment choices? Recruitment system needs to change , giving the head-coach much more input into the players he wants to pull on the yellow. Just my honest opinion.[/p][/quote]Yesterday, more than ever, we looked like a bunch of individuals pretending to be a team. Certain players trying to fit into roles and positions that they seem naive about. We played far too high a defensive line and were caught with simple through balls. By the time we realised that it was too late.[/p][/quote]Watcha Keith, yeah that pretty much confirms my own feelings. Think the foreign way of doing things may not be easy to implement at WFC - different cultures, different languages, different footballing techniques, different personalities etc are not going to be easy to weave into one coherent footballing system that can produce consistent quality performances but one thing's for sure, you need a recruitment officer that knows what he's doing or preferably a coach that is confident enough to be proactive himself in the reruitment process. 'kin hot here right now - quite unusual for a pe summer - going for a swim. tata SAHornet
  • Score: 3

9:57am Sun 23 Feb 14

Cuthbert007 says...

Why did we not go for an exprienced manager. I would love to see Malky McKay back at the club but we could have had Steve Clarke or DiMatteo if the owners wanted to only have an Italian manager. Even DiCannio.! I also would like to have kept Vydra as he has real pace and thats what we miss. Also Ishmial Miller would do a job up front for us.
Why did we not go for an exprienced manager. I would love to see Malky McKay back at the club but we could have had Steve Clarke or DiMatteo if the owners wanted to only have an Italian manager. Even DiCannio.! I also would like to have kept Vydra as he has real pace and thats what we miss. Also Ishmial Miller would do a job up front for us. Cuthbert007
  • Score: -19

10:01am Sun 23 Feb 14

Essex Hornet says...

First of all respect and a big well done to all the fans who made the trip up to Bolton. It is a long trip in anyones book and to have to face that journey home after what it seems was a pretty gutless display is not most peoples idea of a fun Saturday night. I'm pleased Beppe has come out and apologised to them for the teams display because there are alot of managers out there who wouldn't have bothered. I'm not sure if Beppe is the right guy to lead us for the long term but I think he's probably doing the best he can with the player resources at his disposal. The reality is he's having to still deal with some major expectations after we all enjoyed some amazing football last season. Most fans thought / expected the team was going to kick on this season but for a variety of reasons it just hasn't happened.
Yes the play off's are still a mathematical possibility but can we all wise up a bit and be realistic. Even when we have won recently most games have been on a knife edge and we have all greeted the final whistle with amassive sense of relief. In my view the current team is simply not good enough at the moment to mount a sustained charge for the play off's. As an attacking force we lack consistent goal scrorers and the attacking back up that has been bought in isn't good enough for this level. In recent weeks Fessi has been our most creative player and when he's out the whole thing goes to pot. If we were serious contenders for the play offs we would and should have put away teams like Yeovil and Bolton and we failed dismally on both fronts.
Let us just go back to focusing on one game at a time and getting three points. Let us also try and have a settled team particularly at the back. The club is making some good progress off the pitch with the new stand and some financial stability. However Nani and co need to learn some harsh lessons on the playing front. The player merry go round ony works if the people you bring in have the skill, commitment and mental ability to handle the stresse and strains of the championship. Sadly many of the recruits just haven't posessed those qualities and as a result we've suffered. Much that I hate to say it we could learn a few lessons from what Leicester did following the play off defeat to us. They have built on a strong base from last season and added that mental belief that is so important when it comes to getting out of this league.
Next up Blackpool COYH
First of all respect and a big well done to all the fans who made the trip up to Bolton. It is a long trip in anyones book and to have to face that journey home after what it seems was a pretty gutless display is not most peoples idea of a fun Saturday night. I'm pleased Beppe has come out and apologised to them for the teams display because there are alot of managers out there who wouldn't have bothered. I'm not sure if Beppe is the right guy to lead us for the long term but I think he's probably doing the best he can with the player resources at his disposal. The reality is he's having to still deal with some major expectations after we all enjoyed some amazing football last season. Most fans thought / expected the team was going to kick on this season but for a variety of reasons it just hasn't happened. Yes the play off's are still a mathematical possibility but can we all wise up a bit and be realistic. Even when we have won recently most games have been on a knife edge and we have all greeted the final whistle with amassive sense of relief. In my view the current team is simply not good enough at the moment to mount a sustained charge for the play off's. As an attacking force we lack consistent goal scrorers and the attacking back up that has been bought in isn't good enough for this level. In recent weeks Fessi has been our most creative player and when he's out the whole thing goes to pot. If we were serious contenders for the play offs we would and should have put away teams like Yeovil and Bolton and we failed dismally on both fronts. Let us just go back to focusing on one game at a time and getting three points. Let us also try and have a settled team particularly at the back. The club is making some good progress off the pitch with the new stand and some financial stability. However Nani and co need to learn some harsh lessons on the playing front. The player merry go round ony works if the people you bring in have the skill, commitment and mental ability to handle the stresse and strains of the championship. Sadly many of the recruits just haven't posessed those qualities and as a result we've suffered. Much that I hate to say it we could learn a few lessons from what Leicester did following the play off defeat to us. They have built on a strong base from last season and added that mental belief that is so important when it comes to getting out of this league. Next up Blackpool COYH Essex Hornet
  • Score: 11

10:24am Sun 23 Feb 14

mkhornet says...

Cuthbert007 wrote:
Why did we not go for an exprienced manager. I would love to see Malky McKay back at the club but we could have had Steve Clarke or DiMatteo if the owners wanted to only have an Italian manager. Even DiCannio.! I also would like to have kept Vydra as he has real pace and thats what we miss. Also Ishmial Miller would do a job up front for us.
Di Cannio, god we really are panicking! I wouldn't put that guy in charge of a market stall! We would all love to have kept Vydra but let's remember that it was Vydra that didn't want to stay. Not the easiest task to take over mid season without a pre-season with the players. Got to keep faith in Sannino, promotion always looked unlikely even when he took over. Lets get 3 or 4 decent players in this summer (including a creative midfielder and a pacey striker), keep Toszer (maybe Merkel, Jury still out there), give Abdi a good rest in the summer and get him back for next season firing on all cylinders and we won't be far away. Forget this season, make ourselves safe and then have a look at some of the youngsters at the end of the season (ie. players like Luke O'Nien).
[quote][p][bold]Cuthbert007[/bold] wrote: Why did we not go for an exprienced manager. I would love to see Malky McKay back at the club but we could have had Steve Clarke or DiMatteo if the owners wanted to only have an Italian manager. Even DiCannio.! I also would like to have kept Vydra as he has real pace and thats what we miss. Also Ishmial Miller would do a job up front for us.[/p][/quote]Di Cannio, god we really are panicking! I wouldn't put that guy in charge of a market stall! We would all love to have kept Vydra but let's remember that it was Vydra that didn't want to stay. Not the easiest task to take over mid season without a pre-season with the players. Got to keep faith in Sannino, promotion always looked unlikely even when he took over. Lets get 3 or 4 decent players in this summer (including a creative midfielder and a pacey striker), keep Toszer (maybe Merkel, Jury still out there), give Abdi a good rest in the summer and get him back for next season firing on all cylinders and we won't be far away. Forget this season, make ourselves safe and then have a look at some of the youngsters at the end of the season (ie. players like Luke O'Nien). mkhornet
  • Score: 13

10:59am Sun 23 Feb 14

bristol hornet says...

Fully agree with you TH.

Sannino has done well to settle the ship, but even defensively we have looked weak in recent matches, and up front it seems to get worse.

Maybe Beppe could work alongside Zola, and that combination would work well with one brilliant on the attack, and the other more solid on the defensive side of things.
Fully agree with you TH. Sannino has done well to settle the ship, but even defensively we have looked weak in recent matches, and up front it seems to get worse. Maybe Beppe could work alongside Zola, and that combination would work well with one brilliant on the attack, and the other more solid on the defensive side of things. bristol hornet
  • Score: 2

2:42pm Sun 23 Feb 14

bigthunder says...

Well that is the season over i would suggest , big decisions and frank conversations i expect to be happening in boardroom now , we do not here from the likes of Mr Pozzo or Nani so do not know ther thinking but one little observation for them maybe

Look at the managers who get teams out of the championship like it or not they know the division and know what it takes, last season Malky , steve bruce and unfortuntley have to say Holloway , this season likely to be from Pearson ,Dyche ,Redknapp , Davies, Mclaren,adkins , see the connection watford board !

it takes a certain kind of team to get out of this bloody tough division , street wise tough organised solid teams , we are currently none of these
Nani has supplied via the pozzo network technically decent players to a point but where is the tough english mentality , where are the leaders on the pitch , not a penny spent in transfer window , we do not have a goalscorer available , how many defenders on bench yesterday for instance , we are a soft touch

If you are a team in need of a home win pray you are playing watford next it seems

Intersting to see season ticket sales this summer some very unhappy disappointed supporters out there

I believe in the Pozzos to get it right but they i am sure are looking hard at there current boardroom and asking are they identifying and delivering the resources the management team need , currently i would say nowhere near , Mr Nani has a big job on to convince many he is the man as head of recruitment to supply the right players for this league, we caught everyone out last season nobody did there homework on us until towards end of season , we were then and have been now well and truly found out, now can we come again ?
Well that is the season over i would suggest , big decisions and frank conversations i expect to be happening in boardroom now , we do not here from the likes of Mr Pozzo or Nani so do not know ther thinking but one little observation for them maybe Look at the managers who get teams out of the championship like it or not they know the division and know what it takes, last season Malky , steve bruce and unfortuntley have to say Holloway , this season likely to be from Pearson ,Dyche ,Redknapp , Davies, Mclaren,adkins , see the connection watford board ! it takes a certain kind of team to get out of this bloody tough division , street wise tough organised solid teams , we are currently none of these Nani has supplied via the pozzo network technically decent players to a point but where is the tough english mentality , where are the leaders on the pitch , not a penny spent in transfer window , we do not have a goalscorer available , how many defenders on bench yesterday for instance , we are a soft touch If you are a team in need of a home win pray you are playing watford next it seems Intersting to see season ticket sales this summer some very unhappy disappointed supporters out there I believe in the Pozzos to get it right but they i am sure are looking hard at there current boardroom and asking are they identifying and delivering the resources the management team need , currently i would say nowhere near , Mr Nani has a big job on to convince many he is the man as head of recruitment to supply the right players for this league, we caught everyone out last season nobody did there homework on us until towards end of season , we were then and have been now well and truly found out, now can we come again ? bigthunder
  • Score: 10

2:43pm Sun 23 Feb 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

I have a feeling Beppe might be doing quite a lot more apologising if we continue to play like we did yesterday.
I have a feeling Beppe might be doing quite a lot more apologising if we continue to play like we did yesterday. The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 7

2:55pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Hopemole says...

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
MUSTOITALIA wrote:
I have to say I really like Sannino and I think he has done pretty well lets not forget as animated as he is it is not him on the pitch playing. I really feel its time to invest in some English players and I have a feeling that what Zola was trying to do but was not allowed. A strong English CB a couple of good British midfielders and a couple of decent strikers. We need to actually buy some players as I feel the players we have not loaned from our parent clubs are pretty successful (Chalobah Toszer Bellerin Thorne) if we brought those 4 and had them from the beginning of this season as well as a fit Abdi and Sannino I think the position would definitely top four. I am hoping that we will use this close of season to identify weakness and new targets. I think a British manager who is allowed to buy his own players and has a good UK back staff would probably be what's best for us and then let him source the players from the parent clubs and actually buy some established tough experienced championship players. I hope we keep Toszer.
I like Sannino too, but I have to say that I disagree with your comment about British players. Nationality is irrelevant.

For me, McGugan would be one of the last midfielders on the teamsheet. He's lazy and highly inconsistent. Contrast him to Battocchio, who never stops running, genuinely loves the club, can pass the ball and you know what you'll get from him every week. Can't go wrong with him, Murray and Tozser in the middle of the pitch next season.

I think there are a number of reasons that we've had a disappointing season this season; but the biggest ones for me are...

- Not enough leaders on the pitch. Deeney calls himself a leader, but today: never have I seen a player move so little yet moan so much about not getting a pass... and at 2-0 down, there were a couple of Bolton injuries that gave him the chance to walk around and rally the troops - god knows they needed it - but he just stood there with his hands on his hips!
- Abdi. Whichever way you cut it, that guy pulls the strings and is a calming influence in the middle of the pitch. Huge miss.
- and talking of huge misses, Vydra and Chalobah. I don't believe we've missed Hogg so much, but last season we were attacking at lightning speed because we had Vydra's pace and finishing and Chalobah had the class to find him with a single pass. This year, no-one sits on the shoulder and passes are going sideways more than forwards, so 3-on-3's very quickly become 3-on-6's. It's a lot more pedestrian than it was last season.
- Expectation. Fans expect, and get on the back of the players. The players expect, and so get frustrated more easily - with each other in the main, as I witnessed today. And the opposition expect, which means they are far more prepared for us than they were last season.
Having lost Vydra and Chalobah in particular, expectations should've been lower than they were. Yes, they're only two players... but they were massive for us. Take out Messi and Iniesta, or Van Persie and Rooney, or Suarez and Gerrard, and you've got a different team. MV and NC had big boots to fill and I don't believe that's been done.
- The players last season knew what their jobs were. This season, they look confused. There were disagreements as the second half was kicking off between a number of players about who was supposed to be stood where! Unacceptable really. Constant changes in formation and personnel really don't help... particularly when things aren't going well. When times are tough, pick your best team to play in their favoured formation - every week. That's not happened.

I think we need to spend the next few weeks planning for the future.
Who's our manager going to be?
How many of the current crop look likely to get us up next season?
What gaps does that leave?

I look at Udinese and Granada and KNOW that we are in great hands, no question... but today made me realise how far off we are at the moment - even in comparison with last season.
Most intelligent and sensible post I've read in a Long time.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MUSTOITALIA[/bold] wrote: I have to say I really like Sannino and I think he has done pretty well lets not forget as animated as he is it is not him on the pitch playing. I really feel its time to invest in some English players and I have a feeling that what Zola was trying to do but was not allowed. A strong English CB a couple of good British midfielders and a couple of decent strikers. We need to actually buy some players as I feel the players we have not loaned from our parent clubs are pretty successful (Chalobah Toszer Bellerin Thorne) if we brought those 4 and had them from the beginning of this season as well as a fit Abdi and Sannino I think the position would definitely top four. I am hoping that we will use this close of season to identify weakness and new targets. I think a British manager who is allowed to buy his own players and has a good UK back staff would probably be what's best for us and then let him source the players from the parent clubs and actually buy some established tough experienced championship players. I hope we keep Toszer.[/p][/quote]I like Sannino too, but I have to say that I disagree with your comment about British players. Nationality is irrelevant. For me, McGugan would be one of the last midfielders on the teamsheet. He's lazy and highly inconsistent. Contrast him to Battocchio, who never stops running, genuinely loves the club, can pass the ball and you know what you'll get from him every week. Can't go wrong with him, Murray and Tozser in the middle of the pitch next season. I think there are a number of reasons that we've had a disappointing season this season; but the biggest ones for me are... - Not enough leaders on the pitch. Deeney calls himself a leader, but today: never have I seen a player move so little yet moan so much about not getting a pass... and at 2-0 down, there were a couple of Bolton injuries that gave him the chance to walk around and rally the troops - god knows they needed it - but he just stood there with his hands on his hips! - Abdi. Whichever way you cut it, that guy pulls the strings and is a calming influence in the middle of the pitch. Huge miss. - and talking of huge misses, Vydra and Chalobah. I don't believe we've missed Hogg so much, but last season we were attacking at lightning speed because we had Vydra's pace and finishing and Chalobah had the class to find him with a single pass. This year, no-one sits on the shoulder and passes are going sideways more than forwards, so 3-on-3's very quickly become 3-on-6's. It's a lot more pedestrian than it was last season. - Expectation. Fans expect, and get on the back of the players. The players expect, and so get frustrated more easily - with each other in the main, as I witnessed today. And the opposition expect, which means they are far more prepared for us than they were last season. Having lost Vydra and Chalobah in particular, expectations should've been lower than they were. Yes, they're only two players... but they were massive for us. Take out Messi and Iniesta, or Van Persie and Rooney, or Suarez and Gerrard, and you've got a different team. MV and NC had big boots to fill and I don't believe that's been done. - The players last season knew what their jobs were. This season, they look confused. There were disagreements as the second half was kicking off between a number of players about who was supposed to be stood where! Unacceptable really. Constant changes in formation and personnel really don't help... particularly when things aren't going well. When times are tough, pick your best team to play in their favoured formation - every week. That's not happened. I think we need to spend the next few weeks planning for the future. Who's our manager going to be? How many of the current crop look likely to get us up next season? What gaps does that leave? I look at Udinese and Granada and KNOW that we are in great hands, no question... but today made me realise how far off we are at the moment - even in comparison with last season.[/p][/quote]Most intelligent and sensible post I've read in a Long time. Hopemole
  • Score: 3

3:33pm Sun 23 Feb 14

SAHornet says...

bristol hornet wrote:
Fully agree with you TH.

Sannino has done well to settle the ship, but even defensively we have looked weak in recent matches, and up front it seems to get worse.

Maybe Beppe could work alongside Zola, and that combination would work well with one brilliant on the attack, and the other more solid on the defensive side of things.
Too late now tho my pal, he's gorn !
[quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: Fully agree with you TH. Sannino has done well to settle the ship, but even defensively we have looked weak in recent matches, and up front it seems to get worse. Maybe Beppe could work alongside Zola, and that combination would work well with one brilliant on the attack, and the other more solid on the defensive side of things.[/p][/quote]Too late now tho my pal, he's gorn ! SAHornet
  • Score: 4

4:12pm Sun 23 Feb 14

rousman 2 says...

This is a fact like it or not only one foriegn coach has got a team promoted from the Championship, RDM. Bit of a clue there ?
This is a fact like it or not only one foriegn coach has got a team promoted from the Championship, RDM. Bit of a clue there ? rousman 2
  • Score: 8

4:29pm Sun 23 Feb 14

andyhooked says...

We all share the same view I think. We hit the high spot last season but Zola then lost the plot and perhaps because we did not get the right forwards in and to me ther daft 3-5- one and a bit way of playing up front I am less than impressed with Sannino, even though he has steadied the ship. We are an average midtable side and it is the fault of the proxy manager (Nani) that we have lost or sold our best attacking prospects .
We all share the same view I think. We hit the high spot last season but Zola then lost the plot and perhaps because we did not get the right forwards in and to me ther daft 3-5- one and a bit way of playing up front I am less than impressed with Sannino, even though he has steadied the ship. We are an average midtable side and it is the fault of the proxy manager (Nani) that we have lost or sold our best attacking prospects . andyhooked
  • Score: 7

8:54pm Sun 23 Feb 14

lutondown says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault.
It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack.
The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach.
I don't think he will be here next season.
I think your deluded in those comments. I think he will be here next season and I think we will be a much harder team to play against. Rome wasn't built in a day.
He won't be, he's a clown
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault. It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack. The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach. I don't think he will be here next season.[/p][/quote]I think your deluded in those comments. I think he will be here next season and I think we will be a much harder team to play against. Rome wasn't built in a day.[/p][/quote]He won't be, he's a clown lutondown
  • Score: -4

10:03pm Sun 23 Feb 14

D.unstable says...

All Sannino has done is basically got the team to play deeper, thus making it harder to score against supposedly, however this has pretty much taken away any attacking threat that we had left and has certainly taken the entertainment factor of watching sexy football away.

I don't think he is the answer beyond this season and I trust the Pozzo's to act accordingly, they have a history of not suffering fools, and sorry but this guy is one.

In hindsight maybe Zola should have appointed a Mr Nasty as his number 2 instead of his mate and maybe we might have fulfilled the potential from last season as the best footballing side outside of the prem. instead we can't score past 2 of the leakiest defences in the division in games we clearly would need to win if we had any desire whatsoever....apolog
ies mean nothing especially when nothing changes.

Leicester are walking this league because they learnt a lesson from last season, a lesson we tought them, what did we learn from our big day out in May?

Come on Mr Pozzo, sort them out
All Sannino has done is basically got the team to play deeper, thus making it harder to score against supposedly, however this has pretty much taken away any attacking threat that we had left and has certainly taken the entertainment factor of watching sexy football away. I don't think he is the answer beyond this season and I trust the Pozzo's to act accordingly, they have a history of not suffering fools, and sorry but this guy is one. In hindsight maybe Zola should have appointed a Mr Nasty as his number 2 instead of his mate and maybe we might have fulfilled the potential from last season as the best footballing side outside of the prem. instead we can't score past 2 of the leakiest defences in the division in games we clearly would need to win if we had any desire whatsoever....apolog ies mean nothing especially when nothing changes. Leicester are walking this league because they learnt a lesson from last season, a lesson we tought them, what did we learn from our big day out in May? Come on Mr Pozzo, sort them out D.unstable
  • Score: 12

10:46pm Sun 23 Feb 14

KeithMercer says...

D.unstable wrote:
All Sannino has done is basically got the team to play deeper, thus making it harder to score against supposedly, however this has pretty much taken away any attacking threat that we had left and has certainly taken the entertainment factor of watching sexy football away.

I don't think he is the answer beyond this season and I trust the Pozzo's to act accordingly, they have a history of not suffering fools, and sorry but this guy is one.

In hindsight maybe Zola should have appointed a Mr Nasty as his number 2 instead of his mate and maybe we might have fulfilled the potential from last season as the best footballing side outside of the prem. instead we can't score past 2 of the leakiest defences in the division in games we clearly would need to win if we had any desire whatsoever....apolog

ies mean nothing especially when nothing changes.

Leicester are walking this league because they learnt a lesson from last season, a lesson we tought them, what did we learn from our big day out in May?

Come on Mr Pozzo, sort them out
Excellent post ! could not have put it better myself, thanks D for saving me the time and effort .
[quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: All Sannino has done is basically got the team to play deeper, thus making it harder to score against supposedly, however this has pretty much taken away any attacking threat that we had left and has certainly taken the entertainment factor of watching sexy football away. I don't think he is the answer beyond this season and I trust the Pozzo's to act accordingly, they have a history of not suffering fools, and sorry but this guy is one. In hindsight maybe Zola should have appointed a Mr Nasty as his number 2 instead of his mate and maybe we might have fulfilled the potential from last season as the best footballing side outside of the prem. instead we can't score past 2 of the leakiest defences in the division in games we clearly would need to win if we had any desire whatsoever....apolog ies mean nothing especially when nothing changes. Leicester are walking this league because they learnt a lesson from last season, a lesson we tought them, what did we learn from our big day out in May? Come on Mr Pozzo, sort them out[/p][/quote]Excellent post ! could not have put it better myself, thanks D for saving me the time and effort . KeithMercer
  • Score: 10

11:47pm Sun 23 Feb 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

KeithMercer wrote:
D.unstable wrote:
All Sannino has done is basically got the team to play deeper, thus making it harder to score against supposedly, however this has pretty much taken away any attacking threat that we had left and has certainly taken the entertainment factor of watching sexy football away.

I don't think he is the answer beyond this season and I trust the Pozzo's to act accordingly, they have a history of not suffering fools, and sorry but this guy is one.

In hindsight maybe Zola should have appointed a Mr Nasty as his number 2 instead of his mate and maybe we might have fulfilled the potential from last season as the best footballing side outside of the prem. instead we can't score past 2 of the leakiest defences in the division in games we clearly would need to win if we had any desire whatsoever....apolog


ies mean nothing especially when nothing changes.

Leicester are walking this league because they learnt a lesson from last season, a lesson we tought them, what did we learn from our big day out in May?

Come on Mr Pozzo, sort them out
Excellent post ! could not have put it better myself, thanks D for saving me the time and effort .
Yes sums it up perfectly really. I sense there's a whole lot more apologising to come before May.
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: All Sannino has done is basically got the team to play deeper, thus making it harder to score against supposedly, however this has pretty much taken away any attacking threat that we had left and has certainly taken the entertainment factor of watching sexy football away. I don't think he is the answer beyond this season and I trust the Pozzo's to act accordingly, they have a history of not suffering fools, and sorry but this guy is one. In hindsight maybe Zola should have appointed a Mr Nasty as his number 2 instead of his mate and maybe we might have fulfilled the potential from last season as the best footballing side outside of the prem. instead we can't score past 2 of the leakiest defences in the division in games we clearly would need to win if we had any desire whatsoever....apolog ies mean nothing especially when nothing changes. Leicester are walking this league because they learnt a lesson from last season, a lesson we tought them, what did we learn from our big day out in May? Come on Mr Pozzo, sort them out[/p][/quote]Excellent post ! could not have put it better myself, thanks D for saving me the time and effort .[/p][/quote]Yes sums it up perfectly really. I sense there's a whole lot more apologising to come before May. The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 6

8:40am Mon 24 Feb 14

bristol hornet says...

SAHornet wrote:
bristol hornet wrote:
Fully agree with you TH.

Sannino has done well to settle the ship, but even defensively we have looked weak in recent matches, and up front it seems to get worse.

Maybe Beppe could work alongside Zola, and that combination would work well with one brilliant on the attack, and the other more solid on the defensive side of things.
Too late now tho my pal, he's gorn !
Eat some humble pie, and get him back!
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: Fully agree with you TH. Sannino has done well to settle the ship, but even defensively we have looked weak in recent matches, and up front it seems to get worse. Maybe Beppe could work alongside Zola, and that combination would work well with one brilliant on the attack, and the other more solid on the defensive side of things.[/p][/quote]Too late now tho my pal, he's gorn ![/p][/quote]Eat some humble pie, and get him back! bristol hornet
  • Score: 2

8:44am Mon 24 Feb 14

bristol hornet says...

rousman 2 wrote:
This is a fact like it or not only one foriegn coach has got a team promoted from the Championship, RDM. Bit of a clue there ?
Actually, it is two.

You have forgotten Jean Tigana at Fulham around 2001 and 2002.
[quote][p][bold]rousman 2[/bold] wrote: This is a fact like it or not only one foriegn coach has got a team promoted from the Championship, RDM. Bit of a clue there ?[/p][/quote]Actually, it is two. You have forgotten Jean Tigana at Fulham around 2001 and 2002. bristol hornet
  • Score: 4

8:46am Mon 24 Feb 14

bristol hornet says...

lutondown wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault.
It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack.
The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach.
I don't think he will be here next season.
I think your deluded in those comments. I think he will be here next season and I think we will be a much harder team to play against. Rome wasn't built in a day.
He won't be, he's a clown
Takes one to recognise one eh Lutondown!

Is the circus back on at the salon?
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault. It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack. The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach. I don't think he will be here next season.[/p][/quote]I think your deluded in those comments. I think he will be here next season and I think we will be a much harder team to play against. Rome wasn't built in a day.[/p][/quote]He won't be, he's a clown[/p][/quote]Takes one to recognise one eh Lutondown! Is the circus back on at the salon? bristol hornet
  • Score: 4

8:51am Mon 24 Feb 14

Harry's Bar says...

SAHornet wrote:
The BestTrip2011 wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
JohnnyBarnes wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault.
It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack.
The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach.
I don't think he will be here next season.
I don't think that it is the players fault either

Mourinho turns Chelsea's nearly men into superstars
Dyche turns Burnley's average players into big promotion contenders
McClaren at Derby
... the list goes on

I'm very much in the camp that Sannino has had next to no time to work with our players, but from day one of pre-season, we need have someone in with every intention of giving him three years minimum.

I vote Di Matteo

Wishful thinking?
Would love to see Di Mateo or someone of his pedigree but who will work with Nani making his very poor recruitment choices? Recruitment system needs to change , giving the head-coach much more input into the players he wants to pull on the yellow. Just my honest opinion.
Yesterday, more than ever, we looked like a bunch of individuals pretending to be a team. Certain players trying to fit into roles and positions that they seem naive about. We played far too high a defensive line and were caught with simple through balls. By the time we realised that it was too late.
Watcha Keith, yeah that pretty much confirms my own feelings. Think the foreign way of doing things may not be easy to implement at WFC - different cultures, different languages, different footballing techniques, different personalities etc are not going to be easy to weave into one coherent footballing system that can produce consistent quality performances but one thing's for sure, you need a recruitment officer that knows what he's doing or preferably a coach that is confident enough to be proactive himself in the reruitment process. 'kin hot here right now - quite unusual for a pe summer - going for a swim. tata
Because you know somebody's first name doesn't mean it's always a good idea to use it.
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The BestTrip2011[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault. It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack. The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach. I don't think he will be here next season.[/p][/quote]I don't think that it is the players fault either Mourinho turns Chelsea's nearly men into superstars Dyche turns Burnley's average players into big promotion contenders McClaren at Derby ... the list goes on I'm very much in the camp that Sannino has had next to no time to work with our players, but from day one of pre-season, we need have someone in with every intention of giving him three years minimum. I vote Di Matteo Wishful thinking?[/p][/quote]Would love to see Di Mateo or someone of his pedigree but who will work with Nani making his very poor recruitment choices? Recruitment system needs to change , giving the head-coach much more input into the players he wants to pull on the yellow. Just my honest opinion.[/p][/quote]Yesterday, more than ever, we looked like a bunch of individuals pretending to be a team. Certain players trying to fit into roles and positions that they seem naive about. We played far too high a defensive line and were caught with simple through balls. By the time we realised that it was too late.[/p][/quote]Watcha Keith, yeah that pretty much confirms my own feelings. Think the foreign way of doing things may not be easy to implement at WFC - different cultures, different languages, different footballing techniques, different personalities etc are not going to be easy to weave into one coherent footballing system that can produce consistent quality performances but one thing's for sure, you need a recruitment officer that knows what he's doing or preferably a coach that is confident enough to be proactive himself in the reruitment process. 'kin hot here right now - quite unusual for a pe summer - going for a swim. tata[/p][/quote]Because you know somebody's first name doesn't mean it's always a good idea to use it. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 0

11:07am Mon 24 Feb 14

Chris the Vic says...

Lots of harsh words but in reality the Pozzo model is good and will work. However, we do need a good manager who understands the Championship.

In Cassetti last season we had a classy experienced player, this year not so good, a year older and it shows. Same might be said for our captain. Ekstrand has been OK but was not a first choice when we went on last years run only messed up by Zola and his rotation.

We had Hogg and JE as back up with Abdi flying, they managed and created, this year we struggle.

Last year Deeney flattered but now no pace from Vydra and no drive from Chalobah.

No Hoban to date, Hall out and no Nosworthy but Angella is not bad. Anya is better but often injured.

The right manager, some experience and we have the makings of a team. but so much rests on Gino Pozzo... the desire to pick Italian managers is highly questionable for a small budget club.
Lots of harsh words but in reality the Pozzo model is good and will work. However, we do need a good manager who understands the Championship. In Cassetti last season we had a classy experienced player, this year not so good, a year older and it shows. Same might be said for our captain. Ekstrand has been OK but was not a first choice when we went on last years run only messed up by Zola and his rotation. We had Hogg and JE as back up with Abdi flying, they managed and created, this year we struggle. Last year Deeney flattered but now no pace from Vydra and no drive from Chalobah. No Hoban to date, Hall out and no Nosworthy but Angella is not bad. Anya is better but often injured. The right manager, some experience and we have the makings of a team. but so much rests on Gino Pozzo... the desire to pick Italian managers is highly questionable for a small budget club. Chris the Vic
  • Score: 4

11:18am Mon 24 Feb 14

rousman 2 says...

bristol hornet wrote:
rousman 2 wrote:
This is a fact like it or not only one foriegn coach has got a team promoted from the Championship, RDM. Bit of a clue there ?
Actually, it is two.

You have forgotten Jean Tigana at Fulham around 2001 and 2002.
Actually it is still one I did say the Championship when Tigana got Fulham up in 2000/01 it was the old League 1 as was.
[quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rousman 2[/bold] wrote: This is a fact like it or not only one foriegn coach has got a team promoted from the Championship, RDM. Bit of a clue there ?[/p][/quote]Actually, it is two. You have forgotten Jean Tigana at Fulham around 2001 and 2002.[/p][/quote]Actually it is still one I did say the Championship when Tigana got Fulham up in 2000/01 it was the old League 1 as was. rousman 2
  • Score: -3

12:24pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Kismet110 says...

I would rather he didn't have to aplogise and actually explain the reason why a team with so many talented players (Angella, Anya, Toszer, Faraoni, Deeney, Merkel come to ming) is underperforming so shockingly against bottom feeder clubs who can't buy a point until they play Watford?

Seriously, I'm an optimist and OFF the field things are much better but on the field can someone please explain how our defending has actually gotten worse than when under Zola? We've shipped 12 away from home in the last 5 games, only awful finishing by Yeovil and good saves by Almunia kept that from being 15 or 16.

So our defence is worse, our attack is worse and the style of play is mostly boring.

I know we miss Abdi and Fessi badly and if we'd gotten Toszer at the beginning of the season then things might have been a lot different but that is no excuse for a lack of passion, fight and desire - those things cost nothing and mean everything.
I would rather he didn't have to aplogise and actually explain the reason why a team with so many talented players (Angella, Anya, Toszer, Faraoni, Deeney, Merkel come to ming) is underperforming so shockingly against bottom feeder clubs who can't buy a point until they play Watford? Seriously, I'm an optimist and OFF the field things are much better but on the field can someone please explain how our defending has actually gotten worse than when under Zola? We've shipped 12 away from home in the last 5 games, only awful finishing by Yeovil and good saves by Almunia kept that from being 15 or 16. So our defence is worse, our attack is worse and the style of play is mostly boring. I know we miss Abdi and Fessi badly and if we'd gotten Toszer at the beginning of the season then things might have been a lot different but that is no excuse for a lack of passion, fight and desire - those things cost nothing and mean everything. Kismet110
  • Score: 6

12:31pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Harry's Bar says...

Kismet110 wrote:
I would rather he didn't have to aplogise and actually explain the reason why a team with so many talented players (Angella, Anya, Toszer, Faraoni, Deeney, Merkel come to ming) is underperforming so shockingly against bottom feeder clubs who can't buy a point until they play Watford?

Seriously, I'm an optimist and OFF the field things are much better but on the field can someone please explain how our defending has actually gotten worse than when under Zola? We've shipped 12 away from home in the last 5 games, only awful finishing by Yeovil and good saves by Almunia kept that from being 15 or 16.

So our defence is worse, our attack is worse and the style of play is mostly boring.

I know we miss Abdi and Fessi badly and if we'd gotten Toszer at the beginning of the season then things might have been a lot different but that is no excuse for a lack of passion, fight and desire - those things cost nothing and mean everything.
Is there a Freudian slip in there?
[quote][p][bold]Kismet110[/bold] wrote: I would rather he didn't have to aplogise and actually explain the reason why a team with so many talented players (Angella, Anya, Toszer, Faraoni, Deeney, Merkel come to ming) is underperforming so shockingly against bottom feeder clubs who can't buy a point until they play Watford? Seriously, I'm an optimist and OFF the field things are much better but on the field can someone please explain how our defending has actually gotten worse than when under Zola? We've shipped 12 away from home in the last 5 games, only awful finishing by Yeovil and good saves by Almunia kept that from being 15 or 16. So our defence is worse, our attack is worse and the style of play is mostly boring. I know we miss Abdi and Fessi badly and if we'd gotten Toszer at the beginning of the season then things might have been a lot different but that is no excuse for a lack of passion, fight and desire - those things cost nothing and mean everything.[/p][/quote]Is there a Freudian slip in there? Harry's Bar
  • Score: 0

12:38pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Hornet Cornet says...

lutondown wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault.
It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack.
The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach.
I don't think he will be here next season.
I think your deluded in those comments. I think he will be here next season and I think we will be a much harder team to play against. Rome wasn't built in a day.
He won't be, he's a clown
I feel sorry for the chicken
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault. It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack. The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach. I don't think he will be here next season.[/p][/quote]I think your deluded in those comments. I think he will be here next season and I think we will be a much harder team to play against. Rome wasn't built in a day.[/p][/quote]He won't be, he's a clown[/p][/quote]I feel sorry for the chicken Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -5

12:54pm Mon 24 Feb 14

bristol hornet says...

rousman 2 wrote:
bristol hornet wrote:
rousman 2 wrote:
This is a fact like it or not only one foriegn coach has got a team promoted from the Championship, RDM. Bit of a clue there ?
Actually, it is two.

You have forgotten Jean Tigana at Fulham around 2001 and 2002.
Actually it is still one I did say the Championship when Tigana got Fulham up in 2000/01 it was the old League 1 as was.
That is splitting hairs if ever I have heard such rubbish!

Why is the football League celebrating 125 years this season for all of its divisions?

Check their website, there is no differentiation in their calendar of years, just a simple name change.

When we finished runners-up to Liverpool under Graham Taylor in the First Division, was that the third tier of English football?

Why not just admit you made a slight error?
[quote][p][bold]rousman 2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rousman 2[/bold] wrote: This is a fact like it or not only one foriegn coach has got a team promoted from the Championship, RDM. Bit of a clue there ?[/p][/quote]Actually, it is two. You have forgotten Jean Tigana at Fulham around 2001 and 2002.[/p][/quote]Actually it is still one I did say the Championship when Tigana got Fulham up in 2000/01 it was the old League 1 as was.[/p][/quote]That is splitting hairs if ever I have heard such rubbish! Why is the football League celebrating 125 years this season for all of its divisions? Check their website, there is no differentiation in their calendar of years, just a simple name change. When we finished runners-up to Liverpool under Graham Taylor in the First Division, was that the third tier of English football? Why not just admit you made a slight error? bristol hornet
  • Score: 4

1:47pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Hornankey says...

We have a collection of very talented individuals, arguably the best in the last 30 years. However they are consistently under-performing and under-achieving. As already noted the most worrying aspect is the evident lack of passion of the players for the Club. The Club's operational style imparts neither stability nor permanence to the players. How can any player feel passionate for the colours if he gets to wear them only a handful of times at random intervals and is always likely to be shipped off somewhere else? The revolving door fuelled by an influx of loanees will not take us out of the Championship. We need players to feel part of the Club so that they will put their bodies on the line week in, week out..
We have a collection of very talented individuals, arguably the best in the last 30 years. However they are consistently under-performing and under-achieving. As already noted the most worrying aspect is the evident lack of passion of the players for the Club. The Club's operational style imparts neither stability nor permanence to the players. How can any player feel passionate for the colours if he gets to wear them only a handful of times at random intervals and is always likely to be shipped off somewhere else? The revolving door fuelled by an influx of loanees will not take us out of the Championship. We need players to feel part of the Club so that they will put their bodies on the line week in, week out.. Hornankey
  • Score: 10

2:17pm Mon 24 Feb 14

SAHornet says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
The BestTrip2011 wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
JohnnyBarnes wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault.
It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack.
The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach.
I don't think he will be here next season.
I don't think that it is the players fault either

Mourinho turns Chelsea's nearly men into superstars
Dyche turns Burnley's average players into big promotion contenders
McClaren at Derby
... the list goes on

I'm very much in the camp that Sannino has had next to no time to work with our players, but from day one of pre-season, we need have someone in with every intention of giving him three years minimum.

I vote Di Matteo

Wishful thinking?
Would love to see Di Mateo or someone of his pedigree but who will work with Nani making his very poor recruitment choices? Recruitment system needs to change , giving the head-coach much more input into the players he wants to pull on the yellow. Just my honest opinion.
Yesterday, more than ever, we looked like a bunch of individuals pretending to be a team. Certain players trying to fit into roles and positions that they seem naive about. We played far too high a defensive line and were caught with simple through balls. By the time we realised that it was too late.
Watcha Keith, yeah that pretty much confirms my own feelings. Think the foreign way of doing things may not be easy to implement at WFC - different cultures, different languages, different footballing techniques, different personalities etc are not going to be easy to weave into one coherent footballing system that can produce consistent quality performances but one thing's for sure, you need a recruitment officer that knows what he's doing or preferably a coach that is confident enough to be proactive himself in the reruitment process. 'kin hot here right now - quite unusual for a pe summer - going for a swim. tata
Because you know somebody's first name doesn't mean it's always a good idea to use it.
Sorry Bill. Care to comment on this post too?
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The BestTrip2011[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault. It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack. The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach. I don't think he will be here next season.[/p][/quote]I don't think that it is the players fault either Mourinho turns Chelsea's nearly men into superstars Dyche turns Burnley's average players into big promotion contenders McClaren at Derby ... the list goes on I'm very much in the camp that Sannino has had next to no time to work with our players, but from day one of pre-season, we need have someone in with every intention of giving him three years minimum. I vote Di Matteo Wishful thinking?[/p][/quote]Would love to see Di Mateo or someone of his pedigree but who will work with Nani making his very poor recruitment choices? Recruitment system needs to change , giving the head-coach much more input into the players he wants to pull on the yellow. Just my honest opinion.[/p][/quote]Yesterday, more than ever, we looked like a bunch of individuals pretending to be a team. Certain players trying to fit into roles and positions that they seem naive about. We played far too high a defensive line and were caught with simple through balls. By the time we realised that it was too late.[/p][/quote]Watcha Keith, yeah that pretty much confirms my own feelings. Think the foreign way of doing things may not be easy to implement at WFC - different cultures, different languages, different footballing techniques, different personalities etc are not going to be easy to weave into one coherent footballing system that can produce consistent quality performances but one thing's for sure, you need a recruitment officer that knows what he's doing or preferably a coach that is confident enough to be proactive himself in the reruitment process. 'kin hot here right now - quite unusual for a pe summer - going for a swim. tata[/p][/quote]Because you know somebody's first name doesn't mean it's always a good idea to use it.[/p][/quote]Sorry Bill. Care to comment on this post too? SAHornet
  • Score: 1

3:02pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Harry's Bar says...

SAHornet wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
The BestTrip2011 wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
JohnnyBarnes wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault.
It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack.
The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach.
I don't think he will be here next season.
I don't think that it is the players fault either

Mourinho turns Chelsea's nearly men into superstars
Dyche turns Burnley's average players into big promotion contenders
McClaren at Derby
... the list goes on

I'm very much in the camp that Sannino has had next to no time to work with our players, but from day one of pre-season, we need have someone in with every intention of giving him three years minimum.

I vote Di Matteo

Wishful thinking?
Would love to see Di Mateo or someone of his pedigree but who will work with Nani making his very poor recruitment choices? Recruitment system needs to change , giving the head-coach much more input into the players he wants to pull on the yellow. Just my honest opinion.
Yesterday, more than ever, we looked like a bunch of individuals pretending to be a team. Certain players trying to fit into roles and positions that they seem naive about. We played far too high a defensive line and were caught with simple through balls. By the time we realised that it was too late.
Watcha Keith, yeah that pretty much confirms my own feelings. Think the foreign way of doing things may not be easy to implement at WFC - different cultures, different languages, different footballing techniques, different personalities etc are not going to be easy to weave into one coherent footballing system that can produce consistent quality performances but one thing's for sure, you need a recruitment officer that knows what he's doing or preferably a coach that is confident enough to be proactive himself in the reruitment process. 'kin hot here right now - quite unusual for a pe summer - going for a swim. tata
Because you know somebody's first name doesn't mean it's always a good idea to use it.
Sorry Bill. Care to comment on this post too?
Yes, ok.

You can get in any Manager you like, Di Matteo, Bill Shankly, Alex Ferguson, it won't make much difference without a complete rethink on player recruitment at the Club. Nani gets all the flack but Pozzo needs to take some responsibility as well. We still haven't spent one single penny on transfer fees to my knowledge, that can't just be down to Nani.
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The BestTrip2011[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault. It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack. The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach. I don't think he will be here next season.[/p][/quote]I don't think that it is the players fault either Mourinho turns Chelsea's nearly men into superstars Dyche turns Burnley's average players into big promotion contenders McClaren at Derby ... the list goes on I'm very much in the camp that Sannino has had next to no time to work with our players, but from day one of pre-season, we need have someone in with every intention of giving him three years minimum. I vote Di Matteo Wishful thinking?[/p][/quote]Would love to see Di Mateo or someone of his pedigree but who will work with Nani making his very poor recruitment choices? Recruitment system needs to change , giving the head-coach much more input into the players he wants to pull on the yellow. Just my honest opinion.[/p][/quote]Yesterday, more than ever, we looked like a bunch of individuals pretending to be a team. Certain players trying to fit into roles and positions that they seem naive about. We played far too high a defensive line and were caught with simple through balls. By the time we realised that it was too late.[/p][/quote]Watcha Keith, yeah that pretty much confirms my own feelings. Think the foreign way of doing things may not be easy to implement at WFC - different cultures, different languages, different footballing techniques, different personalities etc are not going to be easy to weave into one coherent footballing system that can produce consistent quality performances but one thing's for sure, you need a recruitment officer that knows what he's doing or preferably a coach that is confident enough to be proactive himself in the reruitment process. 'kin hot here right now - quite unusual for a pe summer - going for a swim. tata[/p][/quote]Because you know somebody's first name doesn't mean it's always a good idea to use it.[/p][/quote]Sorry Bill. Care to comment on this post too?[/p][/quote]Yes, ok. You can get in any Manager you like, Di Matteo, Bill Shankly, Alex Ferguson, it won't make much difference without a complete rethink on player recruitment at the Club. Nani gets all the flack but Pozzo needs to take some responsibility as well. We still haven't spent one single penny on transfer fees to my knowledge, that can't just be down to Nani. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 5

4:26pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Kismet110 says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
Kismet110 wrote: I would rather he didn't have to aplogise and actually explain the reason why a team with so many talented players (Angella, Anya, Toszer, Faraoni, Deeney, Merkel come to ming) is underperforming so shockingly against bottom feeder clubs who can't buy a point until they play Watford? Seriously, I'm an optimist and OFF the field things are much better but on the field can someone please explain how our defending has actually gotten worse than when under Zola? We've shipped 12 away from home in the last 5 games, only awful finishing by Yeovil and good saves by Almunia kept that from being 15 or 16. So our defence is worse, our attack is worse and the style of play is mostly boring. I know we miss Abdi and Fessi badly and if we'd gotten Toszer at the beginning of the season then things might have been a lot different but that is no excuse for a lack of passion, fight and desire - those things cost nothing and mean everything.
Is there a Freudian slip in there?
Aaah, I see you see it!

If the players were a little more Ming the Merciless rather than just ming we'd be OK!
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kismet110[/bold] wrote: I would rather he didn't have to aplogise and actually explain the reason why a team with so many talented players (Angella, Anya, Toszer, Faraoni, Deeney, Merkel come to ming) is underperforming so shockingly against bottom feeder clubs who can't buy a point until they play Watford? Seriously, I'm an optimist and OFF the field things are much better but on the field can someone please explain how our defending has actually gotten worse than when under Zola? We've shipped 12 away from home in the last 5 games, only awful finishing by Yeovil and good saves by Almunia kept that from being 15 or 16. So our defence is worse, our attack is worse and the style of play is mostly boring. I know we miss Abdi and Fessi badly and if we'd gotten Toszer at the beginning of the season then things might have been a lot different but that is no excuse for a lack of passion, fight and desire - those things cost nothing and mean everything.[/p][/quote]Is there a Freudian slip in there?[/p][/quote]Aaah, I see you see it! If the players were a little more Ming the Merciless rather than just ming we'd be OK! Kismet110
  • Score: 1

4:34pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Lady Phillippa Of Staines says...

None of these comments were said last week !
And if we had beaten Bolton ?
I just think its great we've owners that provide long term stability & enviable resources with serious direction without any reckless dubious quick-fix methods you often see these days....(so far so good)
Im quite happy to sit on this until our time comes, until they get it right.....I dont expect instant success.
Last season was a red-herring...not my favourite form of fish but gill nonetheless.....but herring that falsely raised our hopes.....now we're beginning to question our owners when they've done it before elsewhere, absurdly thinking we should be challenging for promotion.....who said it was gonna be that easy ?
The change in WFC can be seen already by the change in our selling position & shows you everything as to the powerful owners we have. Thats right every team sells on....even ManU feed Real Madrid etc...but....even up to a couple of years ago WFC sold to anyone who opened the wallet, the same as every other team in Champ. Vydra (a loan granted, but registered within the Pozzo Empire) would have been sold to the highest bidder in the Prem League under past owners. That hasnt happened & I think people need to appreciate what our owners bring in terms of stability.....it probably will never again be UEFA Cup on tues nights, a top 6 Prem team or another FA Cup Final as success is measured differently, we missed that boat years ago. It would be very interesting to understand peoples ultimate expectations of WFC
None of these comments were said last week ! And if we had beaten Bolton ? I just think its great we've owners that provide long term stability & enviable resources with serious direction without any reckless dubious quick-fix methods you often see these days....(so far so good) Im quite happy to sit on this until our time comes, until they get it right.....I dont expect instant success. Last season was a red-herring...not my favourite form of fish but gill nonetheless.....but herring that falsely raised our hopes.....now we're beginning to question our owners when they've done it before elsewhere, absurdly thinking we should be challenging for promotion.....who said it was gonna be that easy ? The change in WFC can be seen already by the change in our selling position & shows you everything as to the powerful owners we have. Thats right every team sells on....even ManU feed Real Madrid etc...but....even up to a couple of years ago WFC sold to anyone who opened the wallet, the same as every other team in Champ. Vydra (a loan granted, but registered within the Pozzo Empire) would have been sold to the highest bidder in the Prem League under past owners. That hasnt happened & I think people need to appreciate what our owners bring in terms of stability.....it probably will never again be UEFA Cup on tues nights, a top 6 Prem team or another FA Cup Final as success is measured differently, we missed that boat years ago. It would be very interesting to understand peoples ultimate expectations of WFC Lady Phillippa Of Staines
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7:05pm Mon 24 Feb 14

allgood says...

My first away game for a year, I was in the Bolton area anyway so only wasted the ticket price. But for Almunia it could have been 5 or 6 against a team without a win in nine and low on confidence. So all you away fans who go to every game you have my greatest respect for spending a fortune on petrol and tickets to endure this rubbish. If they were still playing now they wouldn't have scored yet.
My first away game for a year, I was in the Bolton area anyway so only wasted the ticket price. But for Almunia it could have been 5 or 6 against a team without a win in nine and low on confidence. So all you away fans who go to every game you have my greatest respect for spending a fortune on petrol and tickets to endure this rubbish. If they were still playing now they wouldn't have scored yet. allgood
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3:52pm Tue 25 Feb 14

SAHornet says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
The BestTrip2011 wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
JohnnyBarnes wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault.
It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack.
The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach.
I don't think he will be here next season.
I don't think that it is the players fault either

Mourinho turns Chelsea's nearly men into superstars
Dyche turns Burnley's average players into big promotion contenders
McClaren at Derby
... the list goes on

I'm very much in the camp that Sannino has had next to no time to work with our players, but from day one of pre-season, we need have someone in with every intention of giving him three years minimum.

I vote Di Matteo

Wishful thinking?
Would love to see Di Mateo or someone of his pedigree but who will work with Nani making his very poor recruitment choices? Recruitment system needs to change , giving the head-coach much more input into the players he wants to pull on the yellow. Just my honest opinion.
Yesterday, more than ever, we looked like a bunch of individuals pretending to be a team. Certain players trying to fit into roles and positions that they seem naive about. We played far too high a defensive line and were caught with simple through balls. By the time we realised that it was too late.
Watcha Keith, yeah that pretty much confirms my own feelings. Think the foreign way of doing things may not be easy to implement at WFC - different cultures, different languages, different footballing techniques, different personalities etc are not going to be easy to weave into one coherent footballing system that can produce consistent quality performances but one thing's for sure, you need a recruitment officer that knows what he's doing or preferably a coach that is confident enough to be proactive himself in the reruitment process. 'kin hot here right now - quite unusual for a pe summer - going for a swim. tata
Because you know somebody's first name doesn't mean it's always a good idea to use it.
Sorry Bill. Care to comment on this post too?
Yes, ok.

You can get in any Manager you like, Di Matteo, Bill Shankly, Alex Ferguson, it won't make much difference without a complete rethink on player recruitment at the Club. Nani gets all the flack but Pozzo needs to take some responsibility as well. We still haven't spent one single penny on transfer fees to my knowledge, that can't just be down to Nani.
Spot-on. Quite agree
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The BestTrip2011[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: After going to Yeovil and Bolton today, I can say it's not the players fault. It's the coaching,Sannino is clueless when it comes to transition from defence to attack. The same players that were so slick in their moves under Zola now play as if they've never played with each other before & that's down to the coach. I don't think he will be here next season.[/p][/quote]I don't think that it is the players fault either Mourinho turns Chelsea's nearly men into superstars Dyche turns Burnley's average players into big promotion contenders McClaren at Derby ... the list goes on I'm very much in the camp that Sannino has had next to no time to work with our players, but from day one of pre-season, we need have someone in with every intention of giving him three years minimum. I vote Di Matteo Wishful thinking?[/p][/quote]Would love to see Di Mateo or someone of his pedigree but who will work with Nani making his very poor recruitment choices? Recruitment system needs to change , giving the head-coach much more input into the players he wants to pull on the yellow. Just my honest opinion.[/p][/quote]Yesterday, more than ever, we looked like a bunch of individuals pretending to be a team. Certain players trying to fit into roles and positions that they seem naive about. We played far too high a defensive line and were caught with simple through balls. By the time we realised that it was too late.[/p][/quote]Watcha Keith, yeah that pretty much confirms my own feelings. Think the foreign way of doing things may not be easy to implement at WFC - different cultures, different languages, different footballing techniques, different personalities etc are not going to be easy to weave into one coherent footballing system that can produce consistent quality performances but one thing's for sure, you need a recruitment officer that knows what he's doing or preferably a coach that is confident enough to be proactive himself in the reruitment process. 'kin hot here right now - quite unusual for a pe summer - going for a swim. tata[/p][/quote]Because you know somebody's first name doesn't mean it's always a good idea to use it.[/p][/quote]Sorry Bill. Care to comment on this post too?[/p][/quote]Yes, ok. You can get in any Manager you like, Di Matteo, Bill Shankly, Alex Ferguson, it won't make much difference without a complete rethink on player recruitment at the Club. Nani gets all the flack but Pozzo needs to take some responsibility as well. We still haven't spent one single penny on transfer fees to my knowledge, that can't just be down to Nani.[/p][/quote]Spot-on. Quite agree SAHornet
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