The memory of his dad means Watford will always be extra special to Kevin Phillips

Kevin Phillips scoring against his first professional club in last season's Championship Play-Off final. Picture: Action Images

Kevin Phillips scoring against his first professional club in last season's Championship Play-Off final. Picture: Action Images

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The club which hands a player their first professional contract will always be special to that individual. But Watford hold an extra special place in Kevin Phillips' heart because it was the only place where his dad saw him play professional football and score before he died.

The Hornets plucked Phillips from non-league obscurity at Baldock Town in 1994, after he had been discarded by Southampton after being used as a full back. It was for Watford that he made his league debut and scored his first goal in professional football.

That his father, Ray, passed away suddenly at the end of Phillips’ first season at Vicarage Road makes it all the more poignant for the now Leicester City striker, who scored the deciding Crystal Palace goal last year which denied the Golden Boys promotion to the Premier League.

Speaking in an exclusive and revealing interview in the book Tales from the Vicarage Volume Two, Phillips said: "Whether the Watford fans hate me for it [the penalty at Wembley] or not, they will always have a place in my heart.

"If it wasn’t for Watford, I wouldn’t have had a career. But most of all, Watford will always be the place where my dad saw me play professional football and score a goal, and that means more to me than anything."

There was a sense of inevitability when Phillips came on as a substitute for Leicester at Bournemouth on Saturday and scored the only goal of the game in the 81st minute.

The 40-year-old striker has scored for all nine of his professional clubs since starting his career at Watford in 1994.

Hornets fans would be forgiven for travelling to Leicester’s King Power Stadium for Saturday's match against the Championship leaders already resigned to the idea of Phillips scoring the winner.

After all, not only did Phillips break Watford’s hearts in extra-time at Wembley, he netted in all three games he played against Gianfranco Zola's men last season, for Palace and Blackpool.

So many Watford fans could be forgiven for holding a grudge, particularly as it was Phillips who barred their team’s path to the top flight. But the feeling is definitely not mutual.

Phillips asks the rhetorical question: "Do I apologise? I don’t know. It’s football. I was on the pitch to do a job for Crystal Palace and, at my age, to achieve that was a great feeling.

"I was elated but at the final whistle I felt for the Watford players and fans because I knew how they felt. I’ve lost three play-off finals and it’s awful. I’d been asked before the game if I’d celebrate and I said I didn’t want to rub it in," he adds, explaining why he turned on his heels and ran towards the end of the ground where the Palace fans were massed, before being mobbed by his team-mates.

Tales from the Vicarage Volume Two (£10.99) is available online from www.watfordfcbook.com and at Amazon. It is on sale at Watford Museum and Londis at 91-93 Vicarage Road, near to the stadium.

The book's creators are also hosting the event Tales from the Vicarage Live at Watford Palace Theatre on March 22, which will see ex-Hornets Malky Mackay, Sean Dyche, Aidy Boothroyd and Luther Blissett discuss Watford matters. Find out more about the event here.

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8:20am Thu 6 Feb 14

VOReason says...

Stop scoring against us then please ...
Stop scoring against us then please ... VOReason
  • Score: 30

8:39am Thu 6 Feb 14

Harry's Bar says...

I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.
I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 23

8:43am Thu 6 Feb 14

HunsburyHornet4 says...

He's a professional footballer, paid to do a job for the club that pays his wages. Loyalty in football disappeared with the maximum wage. Good luck to him. We can still beat Leicester, I believe that or I wouldn't be going. COYH.
He's a professional footballer, paid to do a job for the club that pays his wages. Loyalty in football disappeared with the maximum wage. Good luck to him. We can still beat Leicester, I believe that or I wouldn't be going. COYH. HunsburyHornet4
  • Score: 30

8:46am Thu 6 Feb 14

HunsburyHornet4 says...

He's a professional footballer, paid to do a job for the club that pays him. Loyalty in soccer disappeared with the maximum wage. Good luck to him. I still think we can beat Leicester, if I didn't think that, I wouldn't be going.
He's a professional footballer, paid to do a job for the club that pays him. Loyalty in soccer disappeared with the maximum wage. Good luck to him. I still think we can beat Leicester, if I didn't think that, I wouldn't be going. HunsburyHornet4
  • Score: -2

9:13am Thu 6 Feb 14

VOReason says...

HunsburyHornet4 wrote:
He's a professional footballer, paid to do a job for the club that pays him. Loyalty in soccer disappeared with the maximum wage. Good luck to him. I still think we can beat Leicester, if I didn't think that, I wouldn't be going.
Agree and if we had signed him at any point in the last 2 seasons I'd have called it a backward step and would have though we could do better.

Yet he keeps bluddy scoring, especially against us
[quote][p][bold]HunsburyHornet4[/bold] wrote: He's a professional footballer, paid to do a job for the club that pays him. Loyalty in soccer disappeared with the maximum wage. Good luck to him. I still think we can beat Leicester, if I didn't think that, I wouldn't be going.[/p][/quote]Agree and if we had signed him at any point in the last 2 seasons I'd have called it a backward step and would have though we could do better. Yet he keeps bluddy scoring, especially against us VOReason
  • Score: 1

9:23am Thu 6 Feb 14

DavidM says...

He never let us down when he played for us (24 goals in 59 games). A footballer has a short career (albeit his has been longer than most) and who would stop someone moving on to a club in a higher division. Few footballers continue with a career in the game, so they need to maximise their wage while they can. Kevin has always been a gentleman. Long may he play!
He never let us down when he played for us (24 goals in 59 games). A footballer has a short career (albeit his has been longer than most) and who would stop someone moving on to a club in a higher division. Few footballers continue with a career in the game, so they need to maximise their wage while they can. Kevin has always been a gentleman. Long may he play! DavidM
  • Score: 23

10:53am Thu 6 Feb 14

Boxhorn says...

Never understood this 'grudge' mentality (something I believe has been invented by the press, anyway).After all, Kevin left Watford a mere 16 years ago and well before his more celebrated spells at Sunderland and Southampton.
In fact I believe all true football fans can only have admiration for a guy who has consistantly scored great goals throughout a long career - and that's saying something for a striker!
And, to my knowledge, has never been caught sh**ing his team mates girlfriend, causing affray, do**ing and all those other things cash and time a minority of rich young footballers seem to get up to..
Never understood this 'grudge' mentality (something I believe has been invented by the press, anyway).After all, Kevin left Watford a mere 16 years ago and well before his more celebrated spells at Sunderland and Southampton. In fact I believe all true football fans can only have admiration for a guy who has consistantly scored great goals throughout a long career - and that's saying something for a striker! And, to my knowledge, has never been caught sh**ing his team mates girlfriend, causing affray, do**ing and all those other things cash and time a minority of rich young footballers seem to get up to.. Boxhorn
  • Score: 10

11:00am Thu 6 Feb 14

hogweed says...

I hate him.

Hog out
I hate him. Hog out hogweed
  • Score: -48

11:01am Thu 6 Feb 14

Play-Off Pete says...

We had every opportunity to bring him back, but didn't take them.

Even if he didn't score FOR us, at least he wouldn't have been able to score AGAINST us !!!
Top Professional - always does what it says a striker should do.
We had every opportunity to bring him back, but didn't take them. Even if he didn't score FOR us, at least he wouldn't have been able to score AGAINST us !!! Top Professional - always does what it says a striker should do. Play-Off Pete
  • Score: 11

11:02am Thu 6 Feb 14

WMH says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.
Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many.

Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience.

No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either.

If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester.
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.[/p][/quote]Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many. Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience. No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either. If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester. WMH
  • Score: 15

11:12am Thu 6 Feb 14

Boxhorn says...

WMH wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote: I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.
Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many. Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience. No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either. If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester.
bit harsh...
[quote][p][bold]WMH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.[/p][/quote]Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many. Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience. No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either. If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester.[/p][/quote]bit harsh... Boxhorn
  • Score: -11

11:18am Thu 6 Feb 14

demerit says...

HunsburyHornet4 wrote:
He's a professional footballer, paid to do a job for the club that pays his wages. Loyalty in football disappeared with the maximum wage. Good luck to him. We can still beat Leicester, I believe that or I wouldn't be going. COYH.
So, if you thought we were going to lose you wouldn't go?

Anyway, you still got a positive score. Strange.
[quote][p][bold]HunsburyHornet4[/bold] wrote: He's a professional footballer, paid to do a job for the club that pays his wages. Loyalty in football disappeared with the maximum wage. Good luck to him. We can still beat Leicester, I believe that or I wouldn't be going. COYH.[/p][/quote]So, if you thought we were going to lose you wouldn't go? Anyway, you still got a positive score. Strange. demerit
  • Score: -5

11:26am Thu 6 Feb 14

oxheypaul says...

Took our money when he was crocked, said he would sign a new contract, then went to Sunderland as soon as his deal expired - meaning we got a derisory £600k for a player who went on to score bucket loads of goals in Prem and played for England.

Then deluded fans spent the next decade applauding whenever he returned with another club - and usually scored. He's a weasel.
Took our money when he was crocked, said he would sign a new contract, then went to Sunderland as soon as his deal expired - meaning we got a derisory £600k for a player who went on to score bucket loads of goals in Prem and played for England. Then deluded fans spent the next decade applauding whenever he returned with another club - and usually scored. He's a weasel. oxheypaul
  • Score: 7

11:34am Thu 6 Feb 14

Ramageland says...

WMH wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.
Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many.

Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience.

No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either.

If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester.
Totally agree - just another ex-player who doesn't deserve to be discussed in the same company as Mooney, Gibbs, Jackett and other real Watford legends. I might be wrong but I remember him going the minute he was fit again and showing no interest in signing a new contract, and he ended up going pretty cheap. I have never applauded him and never will. Seems like a nice enough bloke, but not the Watford legend some make him out to be.
[quote][p][bold]WMH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.[/p][/quote]Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many. Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience. No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either. If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - just another ex-player who doesn't deserve to be discussed in the same company as Mooney, Gibbs, Jackett and other real Watford legends. I might be wrong but I remember him going the minute he was fit again and showing no interest in signing a new contract, and he ended up going pretty cheap. I have never applauded him and never will. Seems like a nice enough bloke, but not the Watford legend some make him out to be. Ramageland
  • Score: 24

11:42am Thu 6 Feb 14

Hornankey says...

Good lad. Good luck to him. May he play for another 10 years!
Good lad. Good luck to him. May he play for another 10 years! Hornankey
  • Score: -5

12:04pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

Kevin Phillips is a good guy and a top pro. Had we had him as a back up striker last season we would definitely have gone up because he would have scored in the games towards the end of season when Vydra went quiet.

Cally found him when he went to train with Baldock Town. He went back to Glen Roeder and told him to get him in. The rest is history.

It is true that he played full back at Southampton and was released as 'not being good enough'. He started his career at Baldock as a full back too, until one day the Centre Forward got ill just before the game. Kevin's Dad told Ian Allinson (the ex Arsenal striker) who was Manager to try him up front. He scored a hatrick and then Cally trained with him.

What a career he has had, and a great guy too.
Kevin Phillips is a good guy and a top pro. Had we had him as a back up striker last season we would definitely have gone up because he would have scored in the games towards the end of season when Vydra went quiet. Cally found him when he went to train with Baldock Town. He went back to Glen Roeder and told him to get him in. The rest is history. It is true that he played full back at Southampton and was released as 'not being good enough'. He started his career at Baldock as a full back too, until one day the Centre Forward got ill just before the game. Kevin's Dad told Ian Allinson (the ex Arsenal striker) who was Manager to try him up front. He scored a hatrick and then Cally trained with him. What a career he has had, and a great guy too. Goldenboy1960
  • Score: 9

12:49pm Thu 6 Feb 14

gloryhornet4 says...

Boxhorn wrote:
Never understood this 'grudge' mentality (something I believe has been invented by the press, anyway).After all, Kevin left Watford a mere 16 years ago and well before his more celebrated spells at Sunderland and Southampton.
In fact I believe all true football fans can only have admiration for a guy who has consistantly scored great goals throughout a long career - and that's saying something for a striker!
And, to my knowledge, has never been caught sh**ing his team mates girlfriend, causing affray, do**ing and all those other things cash and time a minority of rich young footballers seem to get up to..
As Kevin has said he is grateful to Watford for his chance.

My beef was selling a prolific proven goalscorer who like Sherwood went on to play for England for a bag of beans.
[quote][p][bold]Boxhorn[/bold] wrote: Never understood this 'grudge' mentality (something I believe has been invented by the press, anyway).After all, Kevin left Watford a mere 16 years ago and well before his more celebrated spells at Sunderland and Southampton. In fact I believe all true football fans can only have admiration for a guy who has consistantly scored great goals throughout a long career - and that's saying something for a striker! And, to my knowledge, has never been caught sh**ing his team mates girlfriend, causing affray, do**ing and all those other things cash and time a minority of rich young footballers seem to get up to..[/p][/quote]As Kevin has said he is grateful to Watford for his chance. My beef was selling a prolific proven goalscorer who like Sherwood went on to play for England for a bag of beans. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 7

12:58pm Thu 6 Feb 14

soulfulhornet says...

Very good player for Watford - def not a legend as not here long enough, but a bit harsh to call him a weasel. In a team that had few outstanding players (Ramage possibly excepted), he did well and his goals helped us to seventh position under Roeder and the best bt 1988/89 1and 1998/99. He has never disparged the club and has always conducted himself on and off the pitch with dignity and humilty i.e. the model pro.

With relegation to the third tier players of his calibre, Hessenthaler and Connollly were never going to stay. In part that was down to the players and in part down to GT, who (rightly) wanted to do things his way.
Very good player for Watford - def not a legend as not here long enough, but a bit harsh to call him a weasel. In a team that had few outstanding players (Ramage possibly excepted), he did well and his goals helped us to seventh position under Roeder and the best bt 1988/89 1and 1998/99. He has never disparged the club and has always conducted himself on and off the pitch with dignity and humilty i.e. the model pro. With relegation to the third tier players of his calibre, Hessenthaler and Connollly were never going to stay. In part that was down to the players and in part down to GT, who (rightly) wanted to do things his way. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 4

1:35pm Thu 6 Feb 14

not a regular says...

Great striker, no grudge as he can do what he wants in life. But it irks me seeing so many Watford fans treating him like the messiah when in all honesty he doesn't repay that to us.

At the end of the day he's had ample opportunities to return here and has gone elsewhere in search of money. Again, that's absolutely his perogative but he ain't no Lloyd Doyley.
Great striker, no grudge as he can do what he wants in life. But it irks me seeing so many Watford fans treating him like the messiah when in all honesty he doesn't repay that to us. At the end of the day he's had ample opportunities to return here and has gone elsewhere in search of money. Again, that's absolutely his perogative but he ain't no Lloyd Doyley. not a regular
  • Score: 14

1:55pm Thu 6 Feb 14

jasonwatford says...

Top Player we should have singed again , Graham Taylor says he wished he had played more when he managed him here but was injured and then sold due to money issues.
Top Player we should have singed again , Graham Taylor says he wished he had played more when he managed him here but was injured and then sold due to money issues. jasonwatford
  • Score: 5

2:49pm Thu 6 Feb 14

WMH says...

Boxhorn wrote:
WMH wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote: I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.
Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many. Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience. No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either. If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester.
bit harsh...
You mistake harshness with factual accuracy............
........
[quote][p][bold]Boxhorn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WMH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.[/p][/quote]Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many. Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience. No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either. If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester.[/p][/quote]bit harsh...[/p][/quote]You mistake harshness with factual accuracy............ ........ WMH
  • Score: 8

4:55pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

not a regular wrote:
Great striker, no grudge as he can do what he wants in life. But it irks me seeing so many Watford fans treating him like the messiah when in all honesty he doesn't repay that to us.

At the end of the day he's had ample opportunities to return here and has gone elsewhere in search of money. Again, that's absolutely his perogative but he ain't no Lloyd Doyley.
No but there's not many like Lloyd. What people forget is that he only did what most of us would have done in our industry. so calling the pot black I fear!!

He is a good guy and has to play for who pays him. Like we all have to work for who pays for us.
[quote][p][bold]not a regular[/bold] wrote: Great striker, no grudge as he can do what he wants in life. But it irks me seeing so many Watford fans treating him like the messiah when in all honesty he doesn't repay that to us. At the end of the day he's had ample opportunities to return here and has gone elsewhere in search of money. Again, that's absolutely his perogative but he ain't no Lloyd Doyley.[/p][/quote]No but there's not many like Lloyd. What people forget is that he only did what most of us would have done in our industry. so calling the pot black I fear!! He is a good guy and has to play for who pays him. Like we all have to work for who pays for us. Goldenboy1960
  • Score: 5

4:58pm Thu 6 Feb 14

talesfromthevic says...

WMH,
If you read the chapter in the book you might gain a different perspective on Phillips' injury, how Watford dealt with it, how Watford dealt with his contract running out and how his eventual departure came about because there's more to it than you suggest.
WMH, If you read the chapter in the book you might gain a different perspective on Phillips' injury, how Watford dealt with it, how Watford dealt with his contract running out and how his eventual departure came about because there's more to it than you suggest. talesfromthevic
  • Score: 1

5:36pm Thu 6 Feb 14

allgood says...

Will score winner on Saturday after coming on as sub. Maybe I will put a tenner on it. That will stop him!
Will score winner on Saturday after coming on as sub. Maybe I will put a tenner on it. That will stop him! allgood
  • Score: 1

8:11pm Thu 6 Feb 14

HunsburyHornet4 says...

demerit wrote:
HunsburyHornet4 wrote:
He's a professional footballer, paid to do a job for the club that pays his wages. Loyalty in football disappeared with the maximum wage. Good luck to him. We can still beat Leicester, I believe that or I wouldn't be going. COYH.
So, if you thought we were going to lose you wouldn't go?

Anyway, you still got a positive score. Strange.
Why would I ever think we're going to lose? I go to every match thinking we're going to get something out of the game.. And I never miss a match, home or away.
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HunsburyHornet4[/bold] wrote: He's a professional footballer, paid to do a job for the club that pays his wages. Loyalty in football disappeared with the maximum wage. Good luck to him. We can still beat Leicester, I believe that or I wouldn't be going. COYH.[/p][/quote]So, if you thought we were going to lose you wouldn't go? Anyway, you still got a positive score. Strange.[/p][/quote]Why would I ever think we're going to lose? I go to every match thinking we're going to get something out of the game.. And I never miss a match, home or away. HunsburyHornet4
  • Score: 4

11:06pm Thu 6 Feb 14

WMH says...

talesfromthevic wrote:
WMH,
If you read the chapter in the book you might gain a different perspective on Phillips' injury, how Watford dealt with it, how Watford dealt with his contract running out and how his eventual departure came about because there's more to it than you suggest.
Is there? I've read the chapter and it gives a different opinion on one of my three reasons with KP never has been or will be a Watford legend. Sorry but not one I share.

The reluctance to return to us and frequent scoring against us though are simply a matter of fact.

As I said in my original post I have nothing against Phillips, he is and remains an admirable professional.

Watford legend he ain't though.........not by a million miles.
[quote][p][bold]talesfromthevic[/bold] wrote: WMH, If you read the chapter in the book you might gain a different perspective on Phillips' injury, how Watford dealt with it, how Watford dealt with his contract running out and how his eventual departure came about because there's more to it than you suggest.[/p][/quote]Is there? I've read the chapter and it gives a different opinion on one of my three reasons with KP never has been or will be a Watford legend. Sorry but not one I share. The reluctance to return to us and frequent scoring against us though are simply a matter of fact. As I said in my original post I have nothing against Phillips, he is and remains an admirable professional. Watford legend he ain't though.........not by a million miles. WMH
  • Score: 6

12:01pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Stumbles says...

In the play off final, soon as the penalty was given, he couldn't wait to grab the ball for him to take it. Good player, but I have a feeling he particularly enjoys scoring against us
In the play off final, soon as the penalty was given, he couldn't wait to grab the ball for him to take it. Good player, but I have a feeling he particularly enjoys scoring against us Stumbles
  • Score: 3

4:05pm Fri 7 Feb 14

andyhooked says...

Why anyone should have a grudge against Kevin is beyond me. Hessenthaler had the same problem and some silly idiots called him a fat greedy whatsit when he ran his socks off for WFC after he moved to Gillingham to be closer to home.
Why anyone should have a grudge against Kevin is beyond me. Hessenthaler had the same problem and some silly idiots called him a fat greedy whatsit when he ran his socks off for WFC after he moved to Gillingham to be closer to home. andyhooked
  • Score: -1

4:30pm Fri 7 Feb 14

soulfulhornet says...

No not a legend as I said before but an excellent player. By taking that penalty he took responsibility for his team, when others around him - younger players like Zaha might have been knackered and tentative. It's called leadership.

Just so happens we are his lucky club re scoring. Hopefully that luck has run out!

Also I bet his wages at Watford were not huge when he left. I heard somewhere that he took an effective pay cut to join us from part time Baldock (when his full time shelf stacking job was taken into account). He could then fulfill his dream of being a professional footballer.

Then he got the chance to join a bigger club in a higher division with real potential of Premier League football. No doubt he doubled, trebled or possibly quadrupled his earnings. How many of us would turn that down if we were offered the opportunity or would you stay loyal to your existing employer!!! Right, virtually none of us. And if you had been off sick/injured for an extended period, would your decision be different. No.

Some need a reality check! I have always given ex-players a good reception when they return - unless there is a good reason not to i.e if they denigrate the club or cause serious injury to a Watford player. It is part of what makes us the family club that we are.
No not a legend as I said before but an excellent player. By taking that penalty he took responsibility for his team, when others around him - younger players like Zaha might have been knackered and tentative. It's called leadership. Just so happens we are his lucky club re scoring. Hopefully that luck has run out! Also I bet his wages at Watford were not huge when he left. I heard somewhere that he took an effective pay cut to join us from part time Baldock (when his full time shelf stacking job was taken into account). He could then fulfill his dream of being a professional footballer. Then he got the chance to join a bigger club in a higher division with real potential of Premier League football. No doubt he doubled, trebled or possibly quadrupled his earnings. How many of us would turn that down if we were offered the opportunity or would you stay loyal to your existing employer!!! Right, virtually none of us. And if you had been off sick/injured for an extended period, would your decision be different. No. Some need a reality check! I have always given ex-players a good reception when they return - unless there is a good reason not to i.e if they denigrate the club or cause serious injury to a Watford player. It is part of what makes us the family club that we are. soulfulhornet
  • Score: -2

5:50pm Fri 7 Feb 14

allgood says...

andyhooked wrote:
Why anyone should have a grudge against Kevin is beyond me. Hessenthaler had the same problem and some silly idiots called him a fat greedy whatsit when he ran his socks off for WFC after he moved to Gillingham to be closer to home.
Yes. Helguson is a hero to many but when he scored for Fulham against us he celebrated like it was a World cup final winner. The likes of Sordell and Noel Williams refused to celebrate scoring on their returns to the Vic.
[quote][p][bold]andyhooked[/bold] wrote: Why anyone should have a grudge against Kevin is beyond me. Hessenthaler had the same problem and some silly idiots called him a fat greedy whatsit when he ran his socks off for WFC after he moved to Gillingham to be closer to home.[/p][/quote]Yes. Helguson is a hero to many but when he scored for Fulham against us he celebrated like it was a World cup final winner. The likes of Sordell and Noel Williams refused to celebrate scoring on their returns to the Vic. allgood
  • Score: 2

6:32pm Fri 7 Feb 14

1234566789 says...

WMH wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.
Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many.

Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience.

No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either.

If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester.
When are you referencing when you say he "always enjoys the experience" of scoring against us? I can't remember him ever celebrating! He certainly didn't when he scored the equaliser for Palace at The Vic last season.

Also, when he left for Sunderland, we were playing Div 2 football whilst they were pushing for promotion to the Premier League. Can't blame him for leaving. The fee wasn't bad either, considering there was a clause about Sunderlsnd getting promoted (which they missed out on via penalties).

For me he is one of my first Watford heroes and continues to speak highly of the club. For that he will always be a Watford legend to me
[quote][p][bold]WMH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.[/p][/quote]Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many. Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience. No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either. If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester.[/p][/quote]When are you referencing when you say he "always enjoys the experience" of scoring against us? I can't remember him ever celebrating! He certainly didn't when he scored the equaliser for Palace at The Vic last season. Also, when he left for Sunderland, we were playing Div 2 football whilst they were pushing for promotion to the Premier League. Can't blame him for leaving. The fee wasn't bad either, considering there was a clause about Sunderlsnd getting promoted (which they missed out on via penalties). For me he is one of my first Watford heroes and continues to speak highly of the club. For that he will always be a Watford legend to me 1234566789
  • Score: -2

7:23pm Fri 7 Feb 14

HunsburyHornet4 says...

He's not a bad TV pundit either, and talks a lot of sense. Makes a refreshing change from some of that other dross we have to listen to.
He's not a bad TV pundit either, and talks a lot of sense. Makes a refreshing change from some of that other dross we have to listen to. HunsburyHornet4
  • Score: 0

2:09pm Sat 8 Feb 14

WMH says...

1234566789 wrote:
WMH wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.
Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many.

Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience.

No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either.

If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester.
When are you referencing when you say he "always enjoys the experience" of scoring against us? I can't remember him ever celebrating! He certainly didn't when he scored the equaliser for Palace at The Vic last season.

Also, when he left for Sunderland, we were playing Div 2 football whilst they were pushing for promotion to the Premier League. Can't blame him for leaving. The fee wasn't bad either, considering there was a clause about Sunderlsnd getting promoted (which they missed out on via penalties).

For me he is one of my first Watford heroes and continues to speak highly of the club. For that he will always be a Watford legend to me
Check put some of the old footage when he played for Sunderland for just one example and then come back and stand by your comment.

Putting him the legend category of the likes of Tommy M, Gibbo, Lloyd, Luther etc who for the most part stood by the club through thick and thin ( or at least for many years) is frankly insulting to those players. He's a model professional as I said earlier who I admire , but let's not kid ourselves he s even in the same category of the men who have won the club's lifetime achievement award in recent years. The comparisons are frankly laughable.
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WMH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.[/p][/quote]Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many. Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience. No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either. If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester.[/p][/quote]When are you referencing when you say he "always enjoys the experience" of scoring against us? I can't remember him ever celebrating! He certainly didn't when he scored the equaliser for Palace at The Vic last season. Also, when he left for Sunderland, we were playing Div 2 football whilst they were pushing for promotion to the Premier League. Can't blame him for leaving. The fee wasn't bad either, considering there was a clause about Sunderlsnd getting promoted (which they missed out on via penalties). For me he is one of my first Watford heroes and continues to speak highly of the club. For that he will always be a Watford legend to me[/p][/quote]Check put some of the old footage when he played for Sunderland for just one example and then come back and stand by your comment. Putting him the legend category of the likes of Tommy M, Gibbo, Lloyd, Luther etc who for the most part stood by the club through thick and thin ( or at least for many years) is frankly insulting to those players. He's a model professional as I said earlier who I admire , but let's not kid ourselves he s even in the same category of the men who have won the club's lifetime achievement award in recent years. The comparisons are frankly laughable. WMH
  • Score: 2

10:55am Sun 9 Feb 14

1234566789 says...

WMH wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
WMH wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.
Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many.

Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience.

No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either.

If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester.
When are you referencing when you say he "always enjoys the experience" of scoring against us? I can't remember him ever celebrating! He certainly didn't when he scored the equaliser for Palace at The Vic last season.

Also, when he left for Sunderland, we were playing Div 2 football whilst they were pushing for promotion to the Premier League. Can't blame him for leaving. The fee wasn't bad either, considering there was a clause about Sunderlsnd getting promoted (which they missed out on via penalties).

For me he is one of my first Watford heroes and continues to speak highly of the club. For that he will always be a Watford legend to me
Check put some of the old footage when he played for Sunderland for just one example and then come back and stand by your comment.

Putting him the legend category of the likes of Tommy M, Gibbo, Lloyd, Luther etc who for the most part stood by the club through thick and thin ( or at least for many years) is frankly insulting to those players. He's a model professional as I said earlier who I admire , but let's not kid ourselves he s even in the same category of the men who have won the club's lifetime achievement award in recent years. The comparisons are frankly laughable.
You can't blame a player for leaving a Div 2 club for the Premier League. That move ignited a career that led to him playing for England ffs

You still haven't referenced a game where he "clearly enjoyed" scoring against us (by the way, I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that I don't remember it)

Read this article and see how real fans felt about his departure - http://www.bsad.org/
gone/phillips.html
[quote][p][bold]WMH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WMH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.[/p][/quote]Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many. Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience. No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either. If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester.[/p][/quote]When are you referencing when you say he "always enjoys the experience" of scoring against us? I can't remember him ever celebrating! He certainly didn't when he scored the equaliser for Palace at The Vic last season. Also, when he left for Sunderland, we were playing Div 2 football whilst they were pushing for promotion to the Premier League. Can't blame him for leaving. The fee wasn't bad either, considering there was a clause about Sunderlsnd getting promoted (which they missed out on via penalties). For me he is one of my first Watford heroes and continues to speak highly of the club. For that he will always be a Watford legend to me[/p][/quote]Check put some of the old footage when he played for Sunderland for just one example and then come back and stand by your comment. Putting him the legend category of the likes of Tommy M, Gibbo, Lloyd, Luther etc who for the most part stood by the club through thick and thin ( or at least for many years) is frankly insulting to those players. He's a model professional as I said earlier who I admire , but let's not kid ourselves he s even in the same category of the men who have won the club's lifetime achievement award in recent years. The comparisons are frankly laughable.[/p][/quote]You can't blame a player for leaving a Div 2 club for the Premier League. That move ignited a career that led to him playing for England ffs You still haven't referenced a game where he "clearly enjoyed" scoring against us (by the way, I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that I don't remember it) Read this article and see how real fans felt about his departure - http://www.bsad.org/ gone/phillips.html 1234566789
  • Score: 1

4:36pm Sun 9 Feb 14

WMH says...

1234566789 wrote:
WMH wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
WMH wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.
Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many.

Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience.

No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either.

If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester.
When are you referencing when you say he "always enjoys the experience" of scoring against us? I can't remember him ever celebrating! He certainly didn't when he scored the equaliser for Palace at The Vic last season.

Also, when he left for Sunderland, we were playing Div 2 football whilst they were pushing for promotion to the Premier League. Can't blame him for leaving. The fee wasn't bad either, considering there was a clause about Sunderlsnd getting promoted (which they missed out on via penalties).

For me he is one of my first Watford heroes and continues to speak highly of the club. For that he will always be a Watford legend to me
Check put some of the old footage when he played for Sunderland for just one example and then come back and stand by your comment.

Putting him the legend category of the likes of Tommy M, Gibbo, Lloyd, Luther etc who for the most part stood by the club through thick and thin ( or at least for many years) is frankly insulting to those players. He's a model professional as I said earlier who I admire , but let's not kid ourselves he s even in the same category of the men who have won the club's lifetime achievement award in recent years. The comparisons are frankly laughable.
You can't blame a player for leaving a Div 2 club for the Premier League. That move ignited a career that led to him playing for England ffs

You still haven't referenced a game where he "clearly enjoyed" scoring against us (by the way, I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that I don't remember it)

Read this article and see how real fans felt about his departure - http://www.bsad.org/

gone/phillips.html
Stating that someone isn't a real fan and swearing because they don't agree with you is frankly childish........if you cannot keep in polite and rational please don't bother.

Now let's try it one more time; I don't 'blame' him, in fact I rather admire him. Watford legend he ain't though however much you clumsily try and shift the debate.

As for the quoting examples if you had been mature enough to not revert to insulting people for not bowing to your opinions I might have gone back over the old season highlight tapes ( there were several occasions for Sunderland) for your benefit.......as you did, do it yourself and learn something.
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WMH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WMH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.[/p][/quote]Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many. Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience. No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either. If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester.[/p][/quote]When are you referencing when you say he "always enjoys the experience" of scoring against us? I can't remember him ever celebrating! He certainly didn't when he scored the equaliser for Palace at The Vic last season. Also, when he left for Sunderland, we were playing Div 2 football whilst they were pushing for promotion to the Premier League. Can't blame him for leaving. The fee wasn't bad either, considering there was a clause about Sunderlsnd getting promoted (which they missed out on via penalties). For me he is one of my first Watford heroes and continues to speak highly of the club. For that he will always be a Watford legend to me[/p][/quote]Check put some of the old footage when he played for Sunderland for just one example and then come back and stand by your comment. Putting him the legend category of the likes of Tommy M, Gibbo, Lloyd, Luther etc who for the most part stood by the club through thick and thin ( or at least for many years) is frankly insulting to those players. He's a model professional as I said earlier who I admire , but let's not kid ourselves he s even in the same category of the men who have won the club's lifetime achievement award in recent years. The comparisons are frankly laughable.[/p][/quote]You can't blame a player for leaving a Div 2 club for the Premier League. That move ignited a career that led to him playing for England ffs You still haven't referenced a game where he "clearly enjoyed" scoring against us (by the way, I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that I don't remember it) Read this article and see how real fans felt about his departure - http://www.bsad.org/ gone/phillips.html[/p][/quote]Stating that someone isn't a real fan and swearing because they don't agree with you is frankly childish........if you cannot keep in polite and rational please don't bother. Now let's try it one more time; I don't 'blame' him, in fact I rather admire him. Watford legend he ain't though however much you clumsily try and shift the debate. As for the quoting examples if you had been mature enough to not revert to insulting people for not bowing to your opinions I might have gone back over the old season highlight tapes ( there were several occasions for Sunderland) for your benefit.......as you did, do it yourself and learn something. WMH
  • Score: 1

9:03pm Sun 9 Feb 14

1234566789 says...

WMH wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
WMH wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
WMH wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.
Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many.

Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience.

No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either.

If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester.
When are you referencing when you say he "always enjoys the experience" of scoring against us? I can't remember him ever celebrating! He certainly didn't when he scored the equaliser for Palace at The Vic last season.

Also, when he left for Sunderland, we were playing Div 2 football whilst they were pushing for promotion to the Premier League. Can't blame him for leaving. The fee wasn't bad either, considering there was a clause about Sunderlsnd getting promoted (which they missed out on via penalties).

For me he is one of my first Watford heroes and continues to speak highly of the club. For that he will always be a Watford legend to me
Check put some of the old footage when he played for Sunderland for just one example and then come back and stand by your comment.

Putting him the legend category of the likes of Tommy M, Gibbo, Lloyd, Luther etc who for the most part stood by the club through thick and thin ( or at least for many years) is frankly insulting to those players. He's a model professional as I said earlier who I admire , but let's not kid ourselves he s even in the same category of the men who have won the club's lifetime achievement award in recent years. The comparisons are frankly laughable.
You can't blame a player for leaving a Div 2 club for the Premier League. That move ignited a career that led to him playing for England ffs

You still haven't referenced a game where he "clearly enjoyed" scoring against us (by the way, I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that I don't remember it)

Read this article and see how real fans felt about his departure - http://www.bsad.org/


gone/phillips.html
Stating that someone isn't a real fan and swearing because they don't agree with you is frankly childish........if you cannot keep in polite and rational please don't bother.

Now let's try it one more time; I don't 'blame' him, in fact I rather admire him. Watford legend he ain't though however much you clumsily try and shift the debate.

As for the quoting examples if you had been mature enough to not revert to insulting people for not bowing to your opinions I might have gone back over the old season highlight tapes ( there were several occasions for Sunderland) for your benefit.......as you did, do it yourself and learn something.
No no, your opinion is fine. If you read what I said, he is a legend TO ME as he was one of my first heroes. Completely understand why others wouldn't classify him that way. I just don't like people slating him with nothing to back it up - that's thrice you have negated to find a single example of him wronging Watford with a celebration.

I'm also not saying you aren't a real fan - I couldn't comment on your commitment etc as I have no idea who you are! I am just saying that real fans at the time loved KP but understood why he left. As far as I can see, he has done nothing to change that image (except perhaps back up his credentials as a ledge by refusing to celebrate important goals against us)
[quote][p][bold]WMH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WMH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WMH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: I don't think anyone holds a grudge against him, it's just annoying when old players keep scoring against us. When Henderson came on at Forest I said he's going to score.[/p][/quote]Well maybe not a grudge.......he's been a model professional in a sport that lacks very many. Forgive me not joining the love in though for a guy who left us as soon as he recovered from the longest injury he had in his career in his time with us, resisted multiple attempts. by more than one manager to get him back to us and chose our rivals and scores against every time he plays and minus the PO final clearly always enjoys the experience. No dislike or grudge from me but for me he holds absolutely no special place to all the Watford fans I know either. If in doubt come on here on Saturday evening and confirm your affections after he scores against us again for the arrogant, nauseating home 'faithful' at Leicester.[/p][/quote]When are you referencing when you say he "always enjoys the experience" of scoring against us? I can't remember him ever celebrating! He certainly didn't when he scored the equaliser for Palace at The Vic last season. Also, when he left for Sunderland, we were playing Div 2 football whilst they were pushing for promotion to the Premier League. Can't blame him for leaving. The fee wasn't bad either, considering there was a clause about Sunderlsnd getting promoted (which they missed out on via penalties). For me he is one of my first Watford heroes and continues to speak highly of the club. For that he will always be a Watford legend to me[/p][/quote]Check put some of the old footage when he played for Sunderland for just one example and then come back and stand by your comment. Putting him the legend category of the likes of Tommy M, Gibbo, Lloyd, Luther etc who for the most part stood by the club through thick and thin ( or at least for many years) is frankly insulting to those players. He's a model professional as I said earlier who I admire , but let's not kid ourselves he s even in the same category of the men who have won the club's lifetime achievement award in recent years. The comparisons are frankly laughable.[/p][/quote]You can't blame a player for leaving a Div 2 club for the Premier League. That move ignited a career that led to him playing for England ffs You still haven't referenced a game where he "clearly enjoyed" scoring against us (by the way, I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that I don't remember it) Read this article and see how real fans felt about his departure - http://www.bsad.org/ gone/phillips.html[/p][/quote]Stating that someone isn't a real fan and swearing because they don't agree with you is frankly childish........if you cannot keep in polite and rational please don't bother. Now let's try it one more time; I don't 'blame' him, in fact I rather admire him. Watford legend he ain't though however much you clumsily try and shift the debate. As for the quoting examples if you had been mature enough to not revert to insulting people for not bowing to your opinions I might have gone back over the old season highlight tapes ( there were several occasions for Sunderland) for your benefit.......as you did, do it yourself and learn something.[/p][/quote]No no, your opinion is fine. If you read what I said, he is a legend TO ME as he was one of my first heroes. Completely understand why others wouldn't classify him that way. I just don't like people slating him with nothing to back it up - that's thrice you have negated to find a single example of him wronging Watford with a celebration. I'm also not saying you aren't a real fan - I couldn't comment on your commitment etc as I have no idea who you are! I am just saying that real fans at the time loved KP but understood why he left. As far as I can see, he has done nothing to change that image (except perhaps back up his credentials as a ledge by refusing to celebrate important goals against us) 1234566789
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