Stevan Jovetic says Manchester City were surprised by Watford's quality despite DVDs and inside knowledge

Stevan Jovetic is expected to make a positive impact during the second half of the season after injuries have hampered his start to life at City following his £22m move. Picture: Action Images

Stevan Jovetic is expected to make a positive impact during the second half of the season after injuries have hampered his start to life at City following his £22m move. Picture: Action Images

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Manchester City may have watched DVDs of Watford and Stevan Jovetic may known Beppe Sannino and some of the Hornets players from their time in Italy but the Montenegrin admits the Premier League high-flyers were surprised by the Golden Boys’ quality yesterday.

Watford were leading 2-0 after half an hour of yesterday’s FA Cup fourth round tie and deservedly so.

Jovetic, who has been limited to just nine appearances this season due to injury, came on in the 57th minute and three minutes later Sergio Aguero started City’s comeback with their first of four goals, as Manuel Pellegrini’s team netted twice in the final minutes to progress.

Jovetic spent five years in Italy’s Serie A at Fiorentina and the 24-year-old embraced Watford’s head coach Sannino and a number of their players before the match.

“It was a difficult game and in the first half Watford played really well so it was important that we scored early into the second half,” Jovetic said.

“Honestly Watford surprised us. We watched the videos of them but in the videos we didn’t see their real side [like we did today].

“You can see they have an Italian coach and you can see they were good tactically.

“I know him (Sannino) from my time in Italy; we have met a couple of times. He has a good team with good players.”

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9:37pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Wswilly3 says...

Great performance by the Hornets against the crime de la creme
Great performance by the Hornets against the crime de la creme Wswilly3
  • Score: 25

12:20pm Sun 26 Jan 14

WJames says...

Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).
Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings). WJames
  • Score: -162

12:45pm Sun 26 Jan 14

grahamwfc says...

WJames wrote:
Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).
Tw@t
[quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).[/p][/quote]Tw@t grahamwfc
  • Score: 79

1:31pm Sun 26 Jan 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

WJames wrote:
Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).
Idiot
[quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).[/p][/quote]Idiot The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 58

1:43pm Sun 26 Jan 14

tiger bay says...

WJames wrote:
Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).
You will get the cursed thumb on here Mr James if you dare speak against the sheep mentality of the posters on here. While the majority are basking in the triumph of the 4-2 defeat there are serious footballing issues arising. Whilst Johnny Bond had a generally good game, you are correct in your assessment of his lack of presence and failure to dominate his area. Also it is very rare in pro football these days to have a keeper, especially in the upper tiers of the English league, that cannot reach the halfway line with goal kicks or just manage halfway with drop kicks. With our backs firmly to the wall we struggled to put the ball in the city half. Although personally I don't like the long ball game, in the circumstances a drop kick from box to box with Deeney challenging would at least take some pressure off and allow the defence to squeeze up. Also the substitution of Foristiere for Cassetti was an absolute howler!! The dust is now settling on a great performance and great day out but let's not be afraid to tell it as it is just to keep the sheep on here happy. ..Thumbs down please. .baaaaa..
[quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).[/p][/quote]You will get the cursed thumb on here Mr James if you dare speak against the sheep mentality of the posters on here. While the majority are basking in the triumph of the 4-2 defeat there are serious footballing issues arising. Whilst Johnny Bond had a generally good game, you are correct in your assessment of his lack of presence and failure to dominate his area. Also it is very rare in pro football these days to have a keeper, especially in the upper tiers of the English league, that cannot reach the halfway line with goal kicks or just manage halfway with drop kicks. With our backs firmly to the wall we struggled to put the ball in the city half. Although personally I don't like the long ball game, in the circumstances a drop kick from box to box with Deeney challenging would at least take some pressure off and allow the defence to squeeze up. Also the substitution of Foristiere for Cassetti was an absolute howler!! The dust is now settling on a great performance and great day out but let's not be afraid to tell it as it is just to keep the sheep on here happy. ..Thumbs down please. .baaaaa.. tiger bay
  • Score: 0

2:10pm Sun 26 Jan 14

KeithMercer says...

Sorry to say it but have to agree Bond was at fault for at least two of the goals,the last one was more of a worry for me as the third was surely a fluke and will never happen again. Dont want to knock JBs confidence as we dont want another Loach on our hands but have to say it as I see it. Hopefully he will take responsibility and come back stronger. Also agree with the Fessi substitution not being the best decision, but then that might just be the beauty of hindsight.
Sorry to say it but have to agree Bond was at fault for at least two of the goals,the last one was more of a worry for me as the third was surely a fluke and will never happen again. Dont want to knock JBs confidence as we dont want another Loach on our hands but have to say it as I see it. Hopefully he will take responsibility and come back stronger. Also agree with the Fessi substitution not being the best decision, but then that might just be the beauty of hindsight. KeithMercer
  • Score: 10

2:13pm Sun 26 Jan 14

watford4ever says...

tiger bay wrote:
WJames wrote:
Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).
You will get the cursed thumb on here Mr James if you dare speak against the sheep mentality of the posters on here. While the majority are basking in the triumph of the 4-2 defeat there are serious footballing issues arising. Whilst Johnny Bond had a generally good game, you are correct in your assessment of his lack of presence and failure to dominate his area. Also it is very rare in pro football these days to have a keeper, especially in the upper tiers of the English league, that cannot reach the halfway line with goal kicks or just manage halfway with drop kicks. With our backs firmly to the wall we struggled to put the ball in the city half. Although personally I don't like the long ball game, in the circumstances a drop kick from box to box with Deeney challenging would at least take some pressure off and allow the defence to squeeze up. Also the substitution of Foristiere for Cassetti was an absolute howler!! The dust is now settling on a great performance and great day out but let's not be afraid to tell it as it is just to keep the sheep on here happy. ..Thumbs down please. .baaaaa..
I was not at the game so happy to be corrected by those who were. But having read many reports and "posts" seem to me you have a good point.First and most important very proud of the team and away supporters, fantastic display, wish I could have been there.
However we have to learn from ever game and it does see. That Bond should have saved the third and hesitated for the 4th, not good signs and should not be brushed under the carpet. Also taking off Foristiere who holds on to the ball, sometimes for too long seems strange when we were desperate for some possession to stop the onslaught. Great day for our club but some points to reflect on for the play off's chase!
[quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).[/p][/quote]You will get the cursed thumb on here Mr James if you dare speak against the sheep mentality of the posters on here. While the majority are basking in the triumph of the 4-2 defeat there are serious footballing issues arising. Whilst Johnny Bond had a generally good game, you are correct in your assessment of his lack of presence and failure to dominate his area. Also it is very rare in pro football these days to have a keeper, especially in the upper tiers of the English league, that cannot reach the halfway line with goal kicks or just manage halfway with drop kicks. With our backs firmly to the wall we struggled to put the ball in the city half. Although personally I don't like the long ball game, in the circumstances a drop kick from box to box with Deeney challenging would at least take some pressure off and allow the defence to squeeze up. Also the substitution of Foristiere for Cassetti was an absolute howler!! The dust is now settling on a great performance and great day out but let's not be afraid to tell it as it is just to keep the sheep on here happy. ..Thumbs down please. .baaaaa..[/p][/quote]I was not at the game so happy to be corrected by those who were. But having read many reports and "posts" seem to me you have a good point.First and most important very proud of the team and away supporters, fantastic display, wish I could have been there. However we have to learn from ever game and it does see. That Bond should have saved the third and hesitated for the 4th, not good signs and should not be brushed under the carpet. Also taking off Foristiere who holds on to the ball, sometimes for too long seems strange when we were desperate for some possession to stop the onslaught. Great day for our club but some points to reflect on for the play off's chase! watford4ever
  • Score: 12

2:51pm Sun 26 Jan 14

buckler says...

With Bond we have another Loach on our hands! Sloppy schoolboy mistakes and no bottle! Cost us the game as Loach did on many occasions.
With Bond we have another Loach on our hands! Sloppy schoolboy mistakes and no bottle! Cost us the game as Loach did on many occasions. buckler
  • Score: -47

3:31pm Sun 26 Jan 14

mellow yellow says...

KeithMercer wrote:
Sorry to say it but have to agree Bond was at fault for at least two of the goals,the last one was more of a worry for me as the third was surely a fluke and will never happen again. Dont want to knock JBs confidence as we dont want another Loach on our hands but have to say it as I see it. Hopefully he will take responsibility and come back stronger. Also agree with the Fessi substitution not being the best decision, but then that might just be the beauty of hindsight.
Yep, and as the last line of defence there is nowhere to hide. Agree with you that the fourth is far more worrying than the third, but bear him mind his relative inexperience and his age, and his mind was probably scrambled after his howler only minutes before. Overall a great performance and we MUST take the first 60 minutes into the rest of our season. It ain't over yet, folks...
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Sorry to say it but have to agree Bond was at fault for at least two of the goals,the last one was more of a worry for me as the third was surely a fluke and will never happen again. Dont want to knock JBs confidence as we dont want another Loach on our hands but have to say it as I see it. Hopefully he will take responsibility and come back stronger. Also agree with the Fessi substitution not being the best decision, but then that might just be the beauty of hindsight.[/p][/quote]Yep, and as the last line of defence there is nowhere to hide. Agree with you that the fourth is far more worrying than the third, but bear him mind his relative inexperience and his age, and his mind was probably scrambled after his howler only minutes before. Overall a great performance and we MUST take the first 60 minutes into the rest of our season. It ain't over yet, folks... mellow yellow
  • Score: 14

4:15pm Sun 26 Jan 14

rousman 2 says...

Blame the manager not Bond. Biggest game of the season so play your first choice keeper, then every chance we would have got a replay.
Blame the manager not Bond. Biggest game of the season so play your first choice keeper, then every chance we would have got a replay. rousman 2
  • Score: 2

4:17pm Sun 26 Jan 14

exeterhornet says...

Each time I watch the video, the 4th goal looks the worst. As some have said the 3rd was just a fluke mistake whereas the 4th was just plain poor. The ball was in easy reach and he never made an effort to catch it. I would rather he attempted to catch it and drop it than just watch it loop over his head and then make what I can only describe as a girly jump with his arms waving about. Nothing to do with experience - catching a cross is a basic element of a keeping. The important thing is that the senior pros and manager put an arm round him and tell him that s..t happens and we move on. Even more important is that the boo boys who destroyed Loach's confidence don't try and do the same to this lad.
Now on to F Orestes
Each time I watch the video, the 4th goal looks the worst. As some have said the 3rd was just a fluke mistake whereas the 4th was just plain poor. The ball was in easy reach and he never made an effort to catch it. I would rather he attempted to catch it and drop it than just watch it loop over his head and then make what I can only describe as a girly jump with his arms waving about. Nothing to do with experience - catching a cross is a basic element of a keeping. The important thing is that the senior pros and manager put an arm round him and tell him that s..t happens and we move on. Even more important is that the boo boys who destroyed Loach's confidence don't try and do the same to this lad. Now on to F Orestes exeterhornet
  • Score: 30

4:20pm Sun 26 Jan 14

exeterhornet says...

Sorry for typo errors above. Fingers too fat for iPad
Sorry for typo errors above. Fingers too fat for iPad exeterhornet
  • Score: -2

4:42pm Sun 26 Jan 14

HorshamHornet says...

Wswilly3 wrote:
Great performance by the Hornets against the crime de la creme
Wswilly

I'm man enough to say sorry for my rant at you yesterday, i just got caught up in the emotion of running at team close that cost as much as the national debt.
[quote][p][bold]Wswilly3[/bold] wrote: Great performance by the Hornets against the crime de la creme[/p][/quote]Wswilly I'm man enough to say sorry for my rant at you yesterday, i just got caught up in the emotion of running at team close that cost as much as the national debt. HorshamHornet
  • Score: 1

5:18pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

mellow yellow wrote:
KeithMercer wrote:
Sorry to say it but have to agree Bond was at fault for at least two of the goals,the last one was more of a worry for me as the third was surely a fluke and will never happen again. Dont want to knock JBs confidence as we dont want another Loach on our hands but have to say it as I see it. Hopefully he will take responsibility and come back stronger. Also agree with the Fessi substitution not being the best decision, but then that might just be the beauty of hindsight.
Yep, and as the last line of defence there is nowhere to hide. Agree with you that the fourth is far more worrying than the third, but bear him mind his relative inexperience and his age, and his mind was probably scrambled after his howler only minutes before. Overall a great performance and we MUST take the first 60 minutes into the rest of our season. It ain't over yet, folks...
I agree their 4th goal was not good (similar goalkeeping technique to the 3rd goal conceded vs Leeds) BUT (and I have only seen the goal twice yesterday and have not analysed in great detail) maybe we should a) blame the defence for fannying around with it just outside the box and b) why the hell wasn't there a defender anywhere near Aguero?
Yes Bond should have done better but so should other players.
You win as a team and lose as a team.
COYH
Onwards and upwards
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Sorry to say it but have to agree Bond was at fault for at least two of the goals,the last one was more of a worry for me as the third was surely a fluke and will never happen again. Dont want to knock JBs confidence as we dont want another Loach on our hands but have to say it as I see it. Hopefully he will take responsibility and come back stronger. Also agree with the Fessi substitution not being the best decision, but then that might just be the beauty of hindsight.[/p][/quote]Yep, and as the last line of defence there is nowhere to hide. Agree with you that the fourth is far more worrying than the third, but bear him mind his relative inexperience and his age, and his mind was probably scrambled after his howler only minutes before. Overall a great performance and we MUST take the first 60 minutes into the rest of our season. It ain't over yet, folks...[/p][/quote]I agree their 4th goal was not good (similar goalkeeping technique to the 3rd goal conceded vs Leeds) BUT (and I have only seen the goal twice yesterday and have not analysed in great detail) maybe we should a) blame the defence for fannying around with it just outside the box and b) why the hell wasn't there a defender anywhere near Aguero? Yes Bond should have done better but so should other players. You win as a team and lose as a team. COYH Onwards and upwards Stoney77
  • Score: 18

5:22pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

rousman 2 wrote:
Blame the manager not Bond. Biggest game of the season so play your first choice keeper, then every chance we would have got a replay.
Almunia is error prone too.
And with our congested fixture list not having a replay could be a blessing in disguise. The championship is our priority.
[quote][p][bold]rousman 2[/bold] wrote: Blame the manager not Bond. Biggest game of the season so play your first choice keeper, then every chance we would have got a replay.[/p][/quote]Almunia is error prone too. And with our congested fixture list not having a replay could be a blessing in disguise. The championship is our priority. Stoney77
  • Score: 18

6:10pm Sun 26 Jan 14

lutondown says...

tiger bay wrote:
WJames wrote:
Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).
You will get the cursed thumb on here Mr James if you dare speak against the sheep mentality of the posters on here. While the majority are basking in the triumph of the 4-2 defeat there are serious footballing issues arising. Whilst Johnny Bond had a generally good game, you are correct in your assessment of his lack of presence and failure to dominate his area. Also it is very rare in pro football these days to have a keeper, especially in the upper tiers of the English league, that cannot reach the halfway line with goal kicks or just manage halfway with drop kicks. With our backs firmly to the wall we struggled to put the ball in the city half. Although personally I don't like the long ball game, in the circumstances a drop kick from box to box with Deeney challenging would at least take some pressure off and allow the defence to squeeze up. Also the substitution of Foristiere for Cassetti was an absolute howler!! The dust is now settling on a great performance and great day out but let's not be afraid to tell it as it is just to keep the sheep on here happy. ..Thumbs down please. .baaaaa..
Both right, bond looked like he was doing star jumps when not impersonating mr bean
Every goalkeeper can make reaction saves but a good one does the bread and butter stuff well.
I absolutely beg you to raise me over W James -67
Other than that a great day..and we totally stuffed them first half
[quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).[/p][/quote]You will get the cursed thumb on here Mr James if you dare speak against the sheep mentality of the posters on here. While the majority are basking in the triumph of the 4-2 defeat there are serious footballing issues arising. Whilst Johnny Bond had a generally good game, you are correct in your assessment of his lack of presence and failure to dominate his area. Also it is very rare in pro football these days to have a keeper, especially in the upper tiers of the English league, that cannot reach the halfway line with goal kicks or just manage halfway with drop kicks. With our backs firmly to the wall we struggled to put the ball in the city half. Although personally I don't like the long ball game, in the circumstances a drop kick from box to box with Deeney challenging would at least take some pressure off and allow the defence to squeeze up. Also the substitution of Foristiere for Cassetti was an absolute howler!! The dust is now settling on a great performance and great day out but let's not be afraid to tell it as it is just to keep the sheep on here happy. ..Thumbs down please. .baaaaa..[/p][/quote]Both right, bond looked like he was doing star jumps when not impersonating mr bean Every goalkeeper can make reaction saves but a good one does the bread and butter stuff well. I absolutely beg you to raise me over W James -67 Other than that a great day..and we totally stuffed them first half lutondown
  • Score: -2

6:15pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Essex Hornet says...

It sad to see Bondy being hammered by some people for goals 3 and 4. Yes of course he should have saved number 3 and certainly done alot better with number 4 but that doesn't suddenly make him a bad keeper. To compare him with Scott Loach is a joke. Time after time Bondy has pulled off brilliant saves and kept us in many games when we should have gone behind. Sadly that all get's forgotton. Haven't any of his critics ever made a mistake??

When your a keeper there is no hiding place. If you **** up it's there for everyone to see. All Bondy can do is apologise, learn from what happened and put it behind him. I still have every confidence in and would be happy with either Manu or him playing between the sticks.

If you want to spend time analyzing all the things that didn't go quite right yesterday then fine but what's the point. I personally wouldn't have taken Fezzi and Murray off and bought Abdi and Cassetti but it happened and there is bugger all we can do about it.

We should be celebrating the fact that we scored two great goals, took the game to City, earned the respect of many neutral fans for having a go and left with our heads held high.

Bondy needs some TLC and encouragement and he will come back stronger for the experience. Let's look forward to Thursday and the fight for three vital points. COYH
It sad to see Bondy being hammered by some people for goals 3 and 4. Yes of course he should have saved number 3 and certainly done alot better with number 4 but that doesn't suddenly make him a bad keeper. To compare him with Scott Loach is a joke. Time after time Bondy has pulled off brilliant saves and kept us in many games when we should have gone behind. Sadly that all get's forgotton. Haven't any of his critics ever made a mistake?? When your a keeper there is no hiding place. If you **** up it's there for everyone to see. All Bondy can do is apologise, learn from what happened and put it behind him. I still have every confidence in and would be happy with either Manu or him playing between the sticks. If you want to spend time analyzing all the things that didn't go quite right yesterday then fine but what's the point. I personally wouldn't have taken Fezzi and Murray off and bought Abdi and Cassetti but it happened and there is bugger all we can do about it. We should be celebrating the fact that we scored two great goals, took the game to City, earned the respect of many neutral fans for having a go and left with our heads held high. Bondy needs some TLC and encouragement and he will come back stronger for the experience. Let's look forward to Thursday and the fight for three vital points. COYH Essex Hornet
  • Score: 25

6:21pm Sun 26 Jan 14

tiger bay says...

WJames wrote:
Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).
Minus 71 !!!!! Im soooo jealous!!
[quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).[/p][/quote]Minus 71 !!!!! Im soooo jealous!! tiger bay
  • Score: -2

6:25pm Sun 26 Jan 14

SuperHorn says...

buckler wrote:
With Bond we have another Loach on our hands! Sloppy schoolboy mistakes and no bottle! Cost us the game as Loach did on many occasions.
Cost us the game... Did you even go? He played well and made some good saves, just a shame about his mistake. The 4th goal isn't really his fault as there was no one on Aguero
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: With Bond we have another Loach on our hands! Sloppy schoolboy mistakes and no bottle! Cost us the game as Loach did on many occasions.[/p][/quote]Cost us the game... Did you even go? He played well and made some good saves, just a shame about his mistake. The 4th goal isn't really his fault as there was no one on Aguero SuperHorn
  • Score: 10

6:32pm Sun 26 Jan 14

buck-stops says...

rousman 2 wrote:
Blame the manager not Bond. Biggest game of the season so play your first choice keeper, then every chance we would have got a replay.
not biggest game of season but maybe the most significant in that it may give us the confidence we need to go forward.
[quote][p][bold]rousman 2[/bold] wrote: Blame the manager not Bond. Biggest game of the season so play your first choice keeper, then every chance we would have got a replay.[/p][/quote]not biggest game of season but maybe the most significant in that it may give us the confidence we need to go forward. buck-stops
  • Score: 9

7:03pm Sun 26 Jan 14

mickallen57 says...

Can't believe the negativity, What a result . To take the game to City and show what we can do was fantastic . Yes we lost yes there was mistakes but many a good team has come under the cosh at the Etihad . Manchester Utd ;Spurs ; Newcastle and the Gunners all doing worse than the Horns . I truly thank the lads for giving me 45 mins of sheer football bliss Roy of the Rovers stuff. I think we should bask in the glory of the first half and push on to climb the table to the play off COYH

Please don't state the obvious that it is a game of two halves
Can't believe the negativity, What a result . To take the game to City and show what we can do was fantastic . Yes we lost yes there was mistakes but many a good team has come under the cosh at the Etihad . Manchester Utd ;Spurs ; Newcastle and the Gunners all doing worse than the Horns . I truly thank the lads for giving me 45 mins of sheer football bliss Roy of the Rovers stuff. I think we should bask in the glory of the first half and push on to climb the table to the play off COYH Please don't state the obvious that it is a game of two halves mickallen57
  • Score: 14

7:19pm Sun 26 Jan 14

OliverF1976 says...

tiger bay wrote:
WJames wrote:
Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).
You will get the cursed thumb on here Mr James if you dare speak against the sheep mentality of the posters on here. While the majority are basking in the triumph of the 4-2 defeat there are serious footballing issues arising. Whilst Johnny Bond had a generally good game, you are correct in your assessment of his lack of presence and failure to dominate his area. Also it is very rare in pro football these days to have a keeper, especially in the upper tiers of the English league, that cannot reach the halfway line with goal kicks or just manage halfway with drop kicks. With our backs firmly to the wall we struggled to put the ball in the city half. Although personally I don't like the long ball game, in the circumstances a drop kick from box to box with Deeney challenging would at least take some pressure off and allow the defence to squeeze up. Also the substitution of Foristiere for Cassetti was an absolute howler!! The dust is now settling on a great performance and great day out but let's not be afraid to tell it as it is just to keep the sheep on here happy. ..Thumbs down please. .baaaaa..
For done reason there are Watford supporters that refuse to allow anything negative be said about Bond. The fact is if Almunia had made those two errors then they would be calling for his head and Bond to be put straight in. It is far more instructive for Bond to be criticised as he was at fault so he can pick himself up and improve further as a goalkeeper. I am hopeful that he will be a good keeper but at this moment in time Almunia is the better keeper. His distribution and communication levels are just two areas that Almunia has the upper hand. We will need all of his experience in the second half of the season.
[quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).[/p][/quote]You will get the cursed thumb on here Mr James if you dare speak against the sheep mentality of the posters on here. While the majority are basking in the triumph of the 4-2 defeat there are serious footballing issues arising. Whilst Johnny Bond had a generally good game, you are correct in your assessment of his lack of presence and failure to dominate his area. Also it is very rare in pro football these days to have a keeper, especially in the upper tiers of the English league, that cannot reach the halfway line with goal kicks or just manage halfway with drop kicks. With our backs firmly to the wall we struggled to put the ball in the city half. Although personally I don't like the long ball game, in the circumstances a drop kick from box to box with Deeney challenging would at least take some pressure off and allow the defence to squeeze up. Also the substitution of Foristiere for Cassetti was an absolute howler!! The dust is now settling on a great performance and great day out but let's not be afraid to tell it as it is just to keep the sheep on here happy. ..Thumbs down please. .baaaaa..[/p][/quote]For done reason there are Watford supporters that refuse to allow anything negative be said about Bond. The fact is if Almunia had made those two errors then they would be calling for his head and Bond to be put straight in. It is far more instructive for Bond to be criticised as he was at fault so he can pick himself up and improve further as a goalkeeper. I am hopeful that he will be a good keeper but at this moment in time Almunia is the better keeper. His distribution and communication levels are just two areas that Almunia has the upper hand. We will need all of his experience in the second half of the season. OliverF1976
  • Score: 6

7:21pm Sun 26 Jan 14

OliverF1976 says...

tiger bay wrote:
WJames wrote:
Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).
You will get the cursed thumb on here Mr James if you dare speak against the sheep mentality of the posters on here. While the majority are basking in the triumph of the 4-2 defeat there are serious footballing issues arising. Whilst Johnny Bond had a generally good game, you are correct in your assessment of his lack of presence and failure to dominate his area. Also it is very rare in pro football these days to have a keeper, especially in the upper tiers of the English league, that cannot reach the halfway line with goal kicks or just manage halfway with drop kicks. With our backs firmly to the wall we struggled to put the ball in the city half. Although personally I don't like the long ball game, in the circumstances a drop kick from box to box with Deeney challenging would at least take some pressure off and allow the defence to squeeze up. Also the substitution of Foristiere for Cassetti was an absolute howler!! The dust is now settling on a great performance and great day out but let's not be afraid to tell it as it is just to keep the sheep on here happy. ..Thumbs down please. .baaaaa..
For done reason there are Watford supporters that refuse to allow anything negative be said about Bond. The fact is if Almunia had made those two errors then they would be calling for his head and Bond to be put straight in. It is far more instructive for Bond to be criticised as he was at fault so he can pick himself up and improve further as a goalkeeper. I am hopeful that he will be a good keeper but at this moment in time Almunia is the better keeper. His distribution and communication levels are just two areas that Almunia has the upper hand. We will need all of his experience in the second half of the season.
[quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).[/p][/quote]You will get the cursed thumb on here Mr James if you dare speak against the sheep mentality of the posters on here. While the majority are basking in the triumph of the 4-2 defeat there are serious footballing issues arising. Whilst Johnny Bond had a generally good game, you are correct in your assessment of his lack of presence and failure to dominate his area. Also it is very rare in pro football these days to have a keeper, especially in the upper tiers of the English league, that cannot reach the halfway line with goal kicks or just manage halfway with drop kicks. With our backs firmly to the wall we struggled to put the ball in the city half. Although personally I don't like the long ball game, in the circumstances a drop kick from box to box with Deeney challenging would at least take some pressure off and allow the defence to squeeze up. Also the substitution of Foristiere for Cassetti was an absolute howler!! The dust is now settling on a great performance and great day out but let's not be afraid to tell it as it is just to keep the sheep on here happy. ..Thumbs down please. .baaaaa..[/p][/quote]For done reason there are Watford supporters that refuse to allow anything negative be said about Bond. The fact is if Almunia had made those two errors then they would be calling for his head and Bond to be put straight in. It is far more instructive for Bond to be criticised as he was at fault so he can pick himself up and improve further as a goalkeeper. I am hopeful that he will be a good keeper but at this moment in time Almunia is the better keeper. His distribution and communication levels are just two areas that Almunia has the upper hand. We will need all of his experience in the second half of the season. OliverF1976
  • Score: -1

7:23pm Sun 26 Jan 14

parkhouse hornet says...

I can honestly see another run to the play-offs similar to '99. The only worry is we had Tommy Mooney, who while not the most skilful in the world, had the power to motivate and carry the team to Wembley and the Prem..... Oh yes, there was some chap by the name of Graham Taylor as well!
This year's squad is technically far superior than that team, I just hope Beppe has the motivational and tactical skills to drag this team up the league.
I actually believe we'd do better if we can get there than both the '99 and '06 squads.
Keep the faith.
I can honestly see another run to the play-offs similar to '99. The only worry is we had Tommy Mooney, who while not the most skilful in the world, had the power to motivate and carry the team to Wembley and the Prem..... Oh yes, there was some chap by the name of Graham Taylor as well! This year's squad is technically far superior than that team, I just hope Beppe has the motivational and tactical skills to drag this team up the league. I actually believe we'd do better if we can get there than both the '99 and '06 squads. Keep the faith. parkhouse hornet
  • Score: 10

8:12pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

tiger bay wrote:
WJames wrote:
Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).
You will get the cursed thumb on here Mr James if you dare speak against the sheep mentality of the posters on here. While the majority are basking in the triumph of the 4-2 defeat there are serious footballing issues arising. Whilst Johnny Bond had a generally good game, you are correct in your assessment of his lack of presence and failure to dominate his area. Also it is very rare in pro football these days to have a keeper, especially in the upper tiers of the English league, that cannot reach the halfway line with goal kicks or just manage halfway with drop kicks. With our backs firmly to the wall we struggled to put the ball in the city half. Although personally I don't like the long ball game, in the circumstances a drop kick from box to box with Deeney challenging would at least take some pressure off and allow the defence to squeeze up. Also the substitution of Foristiere for Cassetti was an absolute howler!! The dust is now settling on a great performance and great day out but let's not be afraid to tell it as it is just to keep the sheep on here happy. ..Thumbs down please. .baaaaa..
Roger? Is that you?!
Tbh I don't think it's necessarily the criticism of Bond that gets the thumbs down - we all know he should have done better - I think it's the fact that the focus of WJames' comment is solely on the negative aspect of a game in which we should come out with our heads held high. There were more positives than negatives yesterday but no mention of these - it seems some people ain't happy unless they're moaning.
WJames posts are few and far between but he never says anything in the slightest bit positive.

Sheeple Army
[quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).[/p][/quote]You will get the cursed thumb on here Mr James if you dare speak against the sheep mentality of the posters on here. While the majority are basking in the triumph of the 4-2 defeat there are serious footballing issues arising. Whilst Johnny Bond had a generally good game, you are correct in your assessment of his lack of presence and failure to dominate his area. Also it is very rare in pro football these days to have a keeper, especially in the upper tiers of the English league, that cannot reach the halfway line with goal kicks or just manage halfway with drop kicks. With our backs firmly to the wall we struggled to put the ball in the city half. Although personally I don't like the long ball game, in the circumstances a drop kick from box to box with Deeney challenging would at least take some pressure off and allow the defence to squeeze up. Also the substitution of Foristiere for Cassetti was an absolute howler!! The dust is now settling on a great performance and great day out but let's not be afraid to tell it as it is just to keep the sheep on here happy. ..Thumbs down please. .baaaaa..[/p][/quote]Roger? Is that you?! Tbh I don't think it's necessarily the criticism of Bond that gets the thumbs down - we all know he should have done better - I think it's the fact that the focus of WJames' comment is solely on the negative aspect of a game in which we should come out with our heads held high. There were more positives than negatives yesterday but no mention of these - it seems some people ain't happy unless they're moaning. WJames posts are few and far between but he never says anything in the slightest bit positive. Sheeple Army Stoney77
  • Score: 10

8:39pm Sun 26 Jan 14

smalon says...

I think in fairness to Bond, for the fourth goal his head had gone after the howler for their third.
He has the makings of a good keeper and it is harsh to compare him to Loach.
Loach is a clown who is incapable of accepting blame for his mistakes.
At least Bond seems to be more level-headed so hopefully he will learn from this experience and improve as a keeper.
Lets just not all turn on him and destroy his confidence.
I think in fairness to Bond, for the fourth goal his head had gone after the howler for their third. He has the makings of a good keeper and it is harsh to compare him to Loach. Loach is a clown who is incapable of accepting blame for his mistakes. At least Bond seems to be more level-headed so hopefully he will learn from this experience and improve as a keeper. Lets just not all turn on him and destroy his confidence. smalon
  • Score: 12

9:05pm Sun 26 Jan 14

matey_from_brighton says...

what Bond should have done was tip the ball off for a corner, but with 2 minutes of added time left that would have effectively ended the game. When you are a goal down with a couple of minutes to go you don't defend properly. at fault could be said was Cassetti/Doyley/Ange
lla as they were nowhere to be seen. Blame him for the 3rd of course, but not the 4th, if that had been nil-nil in a league game then he would have prevented that goal for sure. To say he is no better than Loach is ludicrous as he did these type of mistakes over about 4years for us.
what Bond should have done was tip the ball off for a corner, but with 2 minutes of added time left that would have effectively ended the game. When you are a goal down with a couple of minutes to go you don't defend properly. at fault could be said was Cassetti/Doyley/Ange lla as they were nowhere to be seen. Blame him for the 3rd of course, but not the 4th, if that had been nil-nil in a league game then he would have prevented that goal for sure. To say he is no better than Loach is ludicrous as he did these type of mistakes over about 4years for us. matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 9

9:58pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Bush Hornet says...

buckler wrote:
With Bond we have another Loach on our hands! Sloppy schoolboy mistakes and no bottle! Cost us the game as Loach did on many occasions.
Goalkeepers often get a bit more criticism than outfield players and they know how lonely it can be. When they go into this career they prepare themselves for the brickbats. I have no real problem with people pointing the finger at Bond for these errors. He'll know he made the mistakes and he now he needs to get on with it. At any other club goalies come under fire from sections of the fans. The sad thing is that people like you Buckler abuse social media to relentlessly target an individual player. Hopefully Bond will be wise enough to ignore your bile because you do nothing to help the team with this sh1t.
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: With Bond we have another Loach on our hands! Sloppy schoolboy mistakes and no bottle! Cost us the game as Loach did on many occasions.[/p][/quote]Goalkeepers often get a bit more criticism than outfield players and they know how lonely it can be. When they go into this career they prepare themselves for the brickbats. I have no real problem with people pointing the finger at Bond for these errors. He'll know he made the mistakes and he now he needs to get on with it. At any other club goalies come under fire from sections of the fans. The sad thing is that people like you Buckler abuse social media to relentlessly target an individual player. Hopefully Bond will be wise enough to ignore your bile because you do nothing to help the team with this sh1t. Bush Hornet
  • Score: 9

10:30pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Hopemole says...

Wow. we came so close to holding them, but there was an inevitability about the result. Sadly Sannino chose to defend the lead, given the intensity we played at in the first half. I would have preferred to have gone for broke and taken the risk of tiredness. The most significant change was the introduction of the superb Vincent Kompany who brought calm and organisation to the city defence. I would have kept both Forestieri and Murray on longer. Abdi isn't suited to the pressing game we played especially coming back from injury. Shame about Jonathan Bond. He played really well against City last year and earned the right to be on the pitch, but although Almunia is capable of the silly third goal , he wouldn't have been phased by the mistake and would certainly have come and claimed the ball that led to the final goal. If we had been given that stonewall penalty for the foul on Anya we could have been out of sight. What an afternoon. It's never boring supporting the golden boys on big occasions. Last year's ply off final the exception.
Wow. we came so close to holding them, but there was an inevitability about the result. Sadly Sannino chose to defend the lead, given the intensity we played at in the first half. I would have preferred to have gone for broke and taken the risk of tiredness. The most significant change was the introduction of the superb Vincent Kompany who brought calm and organisation to the city defence. I would have kept both Forestieri and Murray on longer. Abdi isn't suited to the pressing game we played especially coming back from injury. Shame about Jonathan Bond. He played really well against City last year and earned the right to be on the pitch, but although Almunia is capable of the silly third goal , he wouldn't have been phased by the mistake and would certainly have come and claimed the ball that led to the final goal. If we had been given that stonewall penalty for the foul on Anya we could have been out of sight. What an afternoon. It's never boring supporting the golden boys on big occasions. Last year's ply off final the exception. Hopemole
  • Score: 11

11:31pm Sun 26 Jan 14

HarpendenHorn says...

Wait people are getting on Bonds back after one average game, for his standards, when we have Almunia as first choice who makes lots of mistakes and people forget that because of his penalty saves, Digusting.
Wait people are getting on Bonds back after one average game, for his standards, when we have Almunia as first choice who makes lots of mistakes and people forget that because of his penalty saves, Digusting. HarpendenHorn
  • Score: 8

8:37am Mon 27 Jan 14

bristol hornet says...

buckler wrote:
With Bond we have another Loach on our hands! Sloppy schoolboy mistakes and no bottle! Cost us the game as Loach did on many occasions.
Go back to your "salon" and watch your hairline!!
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: With Bond we have another Loach on our hands! Sloppy schoolboy mistakes and no bottle! Cost us the game as Loach did on many occasions.[/p][/quote]Go back to your "salon" and watch your hairline!! bristol hornet
  • Score: 5

10:28am Mon 27 Jan 14

HornetJJ says...

Harsh criticism of Bond. He is bound to be a bit rusty without a regular run of games. I think he should go out on loan as it will certainly benefit both him and us. Almunia probably should have played for such a big game.
Harsh criticism of Bond. He is bound to be a bit rusty without a regular run of games. I think he should go out on loan as it will certainly benefit both him and us. Almunia probably should have played for such a big game. HornetJJ
  • Score: 3

10:58am Mon 27 Jan 14

1982WFC says...

The third one was a terrible mistake BUT they can happen to the best keepers. The forth doesn't look great but his head would have been all over the place after his error for the third.
Sometimes you can learn a lot from players in big games whether they can perform at a top level for the whole 90 minutes. The only way we will find out if he is up to it is when he gets a regular run in the side, which will happen next season when Manuel returns to Spain. Look at the lad Darlow at Forest, around the same age but is 1st choice and putting in big performances.
The third one was a terrible mistake BUT they can happen to the best keepers. The forth doesn't look great but his head would have been all over the place after his error for the third. Sometimes you can learn a lot from players in big games whether they can perform at a top level for the whole 90 minutes. The only way we will find out if he is up to it is when he gets a regular run in the side, which will happen next season when Manuel returns to Spain. Look at the lad Darlow at Forest, around the same age but is 1st choice and putting in big performances. 1982WFC
  • Score: 6

1:43pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Feff says...

Surprised that nobody thought that Band may also have been at fault for the first goal. However, please don't do to him what Buckler and others did to Loach. Remember Loach too was an under 21 England goalkeeper. Indeed, I don't blame Bond for the defeat. Sannino got his tactics wrong in the second half, stopped attacking and went on the defensive.. No defence, let alone ours, is good enough to hold the City attack by allowing them to play that way.
Surprised that nobody thought that Band may also have been at fault for the first goal. However, please don't do to him what Buckler and others did to Loach. Remember Loach too was an under 21 England goalkeeper. Indeed, I don't blame Bond for the defeat. Sannino got his tactics wrong in the second half, stopped attacking and went on the defensive.. No defence, let alone ours, is good enough to hold the City attack by allowing them to play that way. Feff
  • Score: 9

2:13pm Mon 27 Jan 14

soulfulhornet says...

Although Bond was at fault for the 3rd and 4th goal, some of the criticism on here is a bit harsh and certainly negative. All keepers make silly errors from time to time - Almunia (e.g. Bolton/ Leicester at home). Even England's best since David Seaman (Brazil anyone) - Joe Hart has made the odd clanger. I agree the 4th was probably as a consequence of the 3rd, but by then we had lost the game anyway.

Hopefully he will learn from this and improve. After all he is still young and is inexperienced. Can't afford for him to go on loan. With Almunia injury prone and the other guy whose name I can't recall not familiar with the first team, it would be stupid. We don't want another Jack Bonham situation in a vital game.

I can understand people being frustrated with the substitutions but had Murray and Fernando run themselves into the ground ? Also Thursday's game is much more important imo and with injuries in midfield we can't afford anymore as we are unbelievably down to barebones in that dept.

Liked the change in formation.


You have to Pelligrini credit too. Bringing on Kompany and Zabaleta changed the game. The former is immense (wish he was English) and not only stopped any attacking momentum we had, but gave Toure the confidence to go forward and impose his not inconsiderable presence in our half. Toure looks a different player when Kompany is playing. Having said that, it is a compliment to Watford and Sannino that we forced them into these changes.

I think we should be proud of the first 55-60 mins of the game and take this new found confidence into the Championship especially against the better teams like Leicester, Forest, QPR and Derby.

These are world class players we played and a team that I consider to be amongst the top 4 or 5 in Europe. We weren't outclassed, we played them off the park in the first half. And remember Toure's wages pretty much equate to our entire first team squad's - and if wages (and they usually are) any measure of ability or value to the team!!!

Onwards and upwards!
Although Bond was at fault for the 3rd and 4th goal, some of the criticism on here is a bit harsh and certainly negative. All keepers make silly errors from time to time - Almunia (e.g. Bolton/ Leicester at home). Even England's best since David Seaman (Brazil anyone) - Joe Hart has made the odd clanger. I agree the 4th was probably as a consequence of the 3rd, but by then we had lost the game anyway. Hopefully he will learn from this and improve. After all he is still young and is inexperienced. Can't afford for him to go on loan. With Almunia injury prone and the other guy whose name I can't recall not familiar with the first team, it would be stupid. We don't want another Jack Bonham situation in a vital game. I can understand people being frustrated with the substitutions but had Murray and Fernando run themselves into the ground ? Also Thursday's game is much more important imo and with injuries in midfield we can't afford anymore as we are unbelievably down to barebones in that dept. Liked the change in formation. You have to Pelligrini credit too. Bringing on Kompany and Zabaleta changed the game. The former is immense (wish he was English) and not only stopped any attacking momentum we had, but gave Toure the confidence to go forward and impose his not inconsiderable presence in our half. Toure looks a different player when Kompany is playing. Having said that, it is a compliment to Watford and Sannino that we forced them into these changes. I think we should be proud of the first 55-60 mins of the game and take this new found confidence into the Championship especially against the better teams like Leicester, Forest, QPR and Derby. These are world class players we played and a team that I consider to be amongst the top 4 or 5 in Europe. We weren't outclassed, we played them off the park in the first half. And remember Toure's wages pretty much equate to our entire first team squad's - and if wages (and they usually are) any measure of ability or value to the team!!! Onwards and upwards! soulfulhornet
  • Score: 9

11:53am Tue 28 Jan 14

demerit says...

WJames wrote:
Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).
There isn't room for any more wind-up merchants on here WJ. I am one of those that can see through it but most can't.
[quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: Bond - howler again and more concerned about preserving his hair than being a man and claiming the deep cross for the 4th. 87th minute curse of not being able to concentrate until the end once again. Been happening for years at the club and is a culture now. (Please don't down thumb me because it will really hurt my feelings).[/p][/quote]There isn't room for any more wind-up merchants on here WJ. I am one of those that can see through it but most can't. demerit
  • Score: 0

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