Watford head coach Beppe Sannino laments his team's sluggish first-half performance in 1-0 defeat to Reading

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Beppe Sannino admitted Watford started their game against Reading “45 minutes late” after his team paid the price for a lacklustre first half in a 1-0 defeat at Vicarage Road.

Kaspars Gorkss headed home the decisive goal for the visitors after just five minutes and the Hornets were lethargic throughout the first period.

Sannino’s men improved after the break but couldn’t find an equaliser and the Italian was disappointed with his team’s opening.

“We played only one half,” he said.

“We started the game 45 minutes late and I am disappointed for the supporters and for my group - I hope this will be a starting point to learn and improve.

“I would like to see my players always play good football – nice and simple football but we were a bit slow today and had difficulty coming out with the ball.

“We played a lot of passes backwards and that is the point I didn’t like today.”

The Hornets created a handful of excellent chances in the second period as Troy Deeney and Fernando Forestieri both spurned opportunities from close range.

“What I saw in the second half gives me a lot of positives for the future,” Sannino continued.

“But also I am really disappointed because we could have played better in the first half.”

Alexander Merkel was sent off in the 94th minute on his debut for the club.

The young midfielder was already on a yellow card and was then handed a straight red for a reckless tackle on Nick Blackman.

Sannino felt Merkel’s challenge was born out of frustration and a desire to win the ball back quickly for his team.

“It is a shame,” Sannino said.

“It was a foul from frustration I think where everyone would like to recover the ball to start an attack because time was going very quickly at the end.

“If the referee has shown him a red card we have to respect the decision.”

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7:23pm Sat 11 Jan 14

andyhooked says...

Let's face it. We are an average side and none of our players at the moment are performing like ateam that should be top of the league, although Ekstrand did have a good game.
Let's face it. We are an average side and none of our players at the moment are performing like ateam that should be top of the league, although Ekstrand did have a good game. andyhooked

7:46pm Sat 11 Jan 14

francowatford says...

Mcgiven needs a rest he looks tired and looks like he has not got the energy to chase down. Back 3 of esktrand Angella faronni looked good Doyle had a great second half very poor first. Really need a striker, the game was too big and fast for Merkel, how many games and he played before being baptised in a big championship game like this who knows. Ref was a joke. Forward thinking from our players is too selfish, players want the glory rather than team success. Df needs to beshown video clips how His bad decisions once he has beaten a player. Very fruatrating
Mcgiven needs a rest he looks tired and looks like he has not got the energy to chase down. Back 3 of esktrand Angella faronni looked good Doyle had a great second half very poor first. Really need a striker, the game was too big and fast for Merkel, how many games and he played before being baptised in a big championship game like this who knows. Ref was a joke. Forward thinking from our players is too selfish, players want the glory rather than team success. Df needs to beshown video clips how His bad decisions once he has beaten a player. Very fruatrating francowatford

7:58pm Sat 11 Jan 14

melloyellow says...

nicky mannard on loan anyone?
nicky mannard on loan anyone? melloyellow

8:49pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Bigads123 says...

With Deeney our main goal threat we won't improve DF and FF font help Derney and are both crap in front of goal.
With Deeney our main goal threat we won't improve DF and FF font help Derney and are both crap in front of goal. Bigads123

11:15pm Sat 11 Jan 14

younghornet says...

Despite us conceding a sloppy early goal, the rest of the match our defense were very solid
Despite us conceding a sloppy early goal, the rest of the match our defense were very solid younghornet

11:24pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Hornet Cornet says...

younghornet wrote:
Despite us conceding a sloppy early goal, the rest of the match our defense were very solid
still lost......... again
[quote][p][bold]younghornet[/bold] wrote: Despite us conceding a sloppy early goal, the rest of the match our defense were very solid[/p][/quote]still lost......... again Hornet Cornet

1:00am Sun 12 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared!

They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late.

Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion.

Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era!
Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared! They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late. Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion. Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era! rogeruk

1:32am Sun 12 Jan 14

mkgoldenboys says...

rogeruk wrote:
Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared!

They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late.

Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion.

Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era!
At last,someone else is not wearing rose tinted spectacles.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared! They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late. Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion. Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era![/p][/quote]At last,someone else is not wearing rose tinted spectacles. mkgoldenboys

2:30am Sun 12 Jan 14

Bush Hornet says...

mkgoldenboys wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared!

They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late.

Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion.

Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era!
At last,someone else is not wearing rose tinted spectacles.
Roger doesn't wear rose tinted spectacles, he wears blinkers and a straitjacket, and a t shirt saying 'I hate Zola'.
[quote][p][bold]mkgoldenboys[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared! They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late. Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion. Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era![/p][/quote]At last,someone else is not wearing rose tinted spectacles.[/p][/quote]Roger doesn't wear rose tinted spectacles, he wears blinkers and a straitjacket, and a t shirt saying 'I hate Zola'. Bush Hornet

7:53am Sun 12 Jan 14

mellow yellow says...

rogeruk wrote:
Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared!

They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late.

Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion.

Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era!
I couldn't care less about West Ham, Roger and, to be blunt, you could make an even stronger case that Watford haven't properly recovered from the Boothroyd/Ashton/Sim
pson era. Of course the jury is out on Sannino, and should be for at least 12 games, so March is fair enough. However, can we just move on from Zola now. It really is getting a bit boring.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared! They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late. Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion. Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era![/p][/quote]I couldn't care less about West Ham, Roger and, to be blunt, you could make an even stronger case that Watford haven't properly recovered from the Boothroyd/Ashton/Sim pson era. Of course the jury is out on Sannino, and should be for at least 12 games, so March is fair enough. However, can we just move on from Zola now. It really is getting a bit boring. mellow yellow

8:30am Sun 12 Jan 14

buckler says...

We started 45 mins late! Have we started?
We started 45 mins late! Have we started? buckler

9:19am Sun 12 Jan 14

clem 54 says...

I,don't think anyone was expecting a season like this,what an absolute disaster,we will be in a relegation battle.
I,don't think anyone was expecting a season like this,what an absolute disaster,we will be in a relegation battle. clem 54

9:43am Sun 12 Jan 14

Ronny oh Ronny Ronny says...

rogeruk wrote:
Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared!

They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late.

Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion.

Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era!
Brilliant 3 paragraphs of anti zola followed by 2 of contradiction stating fans should get behind the manager. I don't think you actually know what you are trying to say?! You stag off 'clappers' (which is the most ridiculous term I've ever heard anyway), what inane fans don't want to support their club or manager??
Abdi has a very awkward injury and has clearly been back training many times but keeps breaking down, nothing to do with Zola going. Why are you even still talking about Zola?? Move on.
Yes we lost another match, yes we should be higher in the league, oh well, teams win and lose. We will come back better.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared! They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late. Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion. Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era![/p][/quote]Brilliant 3 paragraphs of anti zola followed by 2 of contradiction stating fans should get behind the manager. I don't think you actually know what you are trying to say?! You stag off 'clappers' (which is the most ridiculous term I've ever heard anyway), what inane fans don't want to support their club or manager?? Abdi has a very awkward injury and has clearly been back training many times but keeps breaking down, nothing to do with Zola going. Why are you even still talking about Zola?? Move on. Yes we lost another match, yes we should be higher in the league, oh well, teams win and lose. We will come back better. Ronny oh Ronny Ronny

10:22am Sun 12 Jan 14

Johnny Ryden says...

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10:24am Sun 12 Jan 14

Johnny Ryden says...

Johnny Ryden wrote:
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Apologies for the 'comment' above, I was on a different PC and didn't think the log in would work!
[quote][p][bold]Johnny Ryden[/bold] wrote: vjbjbj jdfjhfh[/p][/quote]Apologies for the 'comment' above, I was on a different PC and didn't think the log in would work! Johnny Ryden

10:29am Sun 12 Jan 14

Keepyourmindfree says...

There was only one Scully wrote:
There is to much happy clapping and optimism for our new owners and I for one sense that we are seeing the beginning of the end of our club.
Lets face facts, we have no definite signings, no indications of what they have to offer and despite what happened before austerity measures and caution and along with blaming what went before is not the answer. You only have to look at the mess the country is in at the moment to see why this type of approach is not acting in our best interests.
Not convinced by what I have seen or heard so far!
There was only one Scully wrote: There is to much happy clapping and optimism for our new owners and I for one sense that we are seeing the beginning of the end of our club. Lets face facts, we have no definite signings, no indications of what they have to offer and despite what happened before austerity measures and caution and along with blaming what went before is not the answer. You only have to look at the mess the country is in at the moment to see why this type of approach is not acting in our best interests. Not convinced by what I have seen or heard so far! Keepyourmindfree

10:33am Sun 12 Jan 14

Johnny Ryden says...

What I really wanted to say is this, it's just a feeling but I would be interested to know if others feel the same? Basically, I reckon the team is not a team, more like a collection of individuals each with their own agenda. It's almost as if they are more afraid of each other, not the manager, not the crowd but their own team mates. As an example, it wouldn't surprise me if Doyley didn't shoot yesterday because in the back of his mind he thought he was going to get a load of verbals if he missed! What did he do when Deeney missed? Professional as always, he just put his head down and got back to his position. IMO all over the field these players are not together and this has got to be sorted before anything else!
What I really wanted to say is this, it's just a feeling but I would be interested to know if others feel the same? Basically, I reckon the team is not a team, more like a collection of individuals each with their own agenda. It's almost as if they are more afraid of each other, not the manager, not the crowd but their own team mates. As an example, it wouldn't surprise me if Doyley didn't shoot yesterday because in the back of his mind he thought he was going to get a load of verbals if he missed! What did he do when Deeney missed? Professional as always, he just put his head down and got back to his position. IMO all over the field these players are not together and this has got to be sorted before anything else! Johnny Ryden

10:34am Sun 12 Jan 14

Keepyourmindfree says...

Dr,Oftaw says...

whatever the reasons are we are in safe hands and it will be sorted, they are not bankrupt penniless name changing asset stripping greedy tax evading safe robbing chancers so don`t worry.
Dr,Oftaw says... whatever the reasons are we are in safe hands and it will be sorted, they are not bankrupt penniless name changing asset stripping greedy tax evading safe robbing chancers so don`t worry. Keepyourmindfree

11:01am Sun 12 Jan 14

bristol hornet says...

andyhooked wrote:
Let's face it. We are an average side and none of our players at the moment are performing like ateam that should be top of the league, although Ekstrand did have a good game.
What is this stuff about Ekstrand having a good game!

Very poor in the air, always beaten by a strong CF like Reading's muscular striker, and the main culprit in so many goals conceded, like yesterday.

He is good on the ground, but very far from being a dominant CH for me. Give me Fitz Hall every time. And Angella is pure class.

We always seem to concede headed goals, and I do not remember a Watford side being so inept aerially at both ends when it comes to corners!
[quote][p][bold]andyhooked[/bold] wrote: Let's face it. We are an average side and none of our players at the moment are performing like ateam that should be top of the league, although Ekstrand did have a good game.[/p][/quote]What is this stuff about Ekstrand having a good game! Very poor in the air, always beaten by a strong CF like Reading's muscular striker, and the main culprit in so many goals conceded, like yesterday. He is good on the ground, but very far from being a dominant CH for me. Give me Fitz Hall every time. And Angella is pure class. We always seem to concede headed goals, and I do not remember a Watford side being so inept aerially at both ends when it comes to corners! bristol hornet

11:19am Sun 12 Jan 14

Watford-James says...

rogeruk wrote:
Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared!

They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late.

Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion.

Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era!
All this beginning of the end chat is a sad example of how panic ridden football is. I like the pozzos. They saved our club. You shouldn't have such a short memory, nor should you be so fickle. Can't we all be made of stronger stuff? It's what we're asking of our players. Things haven't clicked for a number of reasons. Sometimes we have it good and rightly celebrate, other times less so, but how does the expression go? Form is temporary, class is permanent. It would be nice to see people show more of the latter on here.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared! They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late. Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion. Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era![/p][/quote]All this beginning of the end chat is a sad example of how panic ridden football is. I like the pozzos. They saved our club. You shouldn't have such a short memory, nor should you be so fickle. Can't we all be made of stronger stuff? It's what we're asking of our players. Things haven't clicked for a number of reasons. Sometimes we have it good and rightly celebrate, other times less so, but how does the expression go? Form is temporary, class is permanent. It would be nice to see people show more of the latter on here. Watford-James

11:24am Sun 12 Jan 14

anywayasiwasaying says...

bristol hornet wrote:
andyhooked wrote:
Let's face it. We are an average side and none of our players at the moment are performing like ateam that should be top of the league, although Ekstrand did have a good game.
What is this stuff about Ekstrand having a good game!

Very poor in the air, always beaten by a strong CF like Reading's muscular striker, and the main culprit in so many goals conceded, like yesterday.

He is good on the ground, but very far from being a dominant CH for me. Give me Fitz Hall every time. And Angella is pure class.

We always seem to concede headed goals, and I do not remember a Watford side being so inept aerially at both ends when it comes to corners!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Joel Ekstrand was outstanding yesterday and formed an excellent partnership with Angella. Not sure your 'main culprit in so many goals conceded' comment is factually correct....perhaps your opinion again. .
[quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyhooked[/bold] wrote: Let's face it. We are an average side and none of our players at the moment are performing like ateam that should be top of the league, although Ekstrand did have a good game.[/p][/quote]What is this stuff about Ekstrand having a good game! Very poor in the air, always beaten by a strong CF like Reading's muscular striker, and the main culprit in so many goals conceded, like yesterday. He is good on the ground, but very far from being a dominant CH for me. Give me Fitz Hall every time. And Angella is pure class. We always seem to concede headed goals, and I do not remember a Watford side being so inept aerially at both ends when it comes to corners![/p][/quote]Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Joel Ekstrand was outstanding yesterday and formed an excellent partnership with Angella. Not sure your 'main culprit in so many goals conceded' comment is factually correct....perhaps your opinion again. . anywayasiwasaying

12:05pm Sun 12 Jan 14

bigthunder says...

Yet more disapointment for the paying home punters , many around me yesterday having missed boxing day have not seen a home goal let alone a win for hours and hours , grumblings are getting louder and louder , 1 win in 14 games , draw at division 1 team bottom of the league etc

this has to be one of the most important january transfer windows in watfords recent history, the plain fact we have not replaced Vydra despite Mr Duxburys claim in the summer if we lose players we replace with better !!

How we have not signed a goalscorer , poacher , finisher whatever you want to call them to help Deeney is boardering on well v poor , we are stacked out with midfield players , not great ones either , have hogg and chalobah been replaced with better ?

some thing off the field like stadium stuff seem to be moving forward but have we got the recruitment side right at this minute, it seems not the managers are not responsible for this apparently so the board Gino Pozzo , Gianluca Nani and Scott Duxbury you need to dare i say step up and support your manager and fast with striker not more midfielders , the home punters are very unhappy, lack of goals wins and entertainment will very soon reflect in poor attendances
do not for one minute think we are to good to go down maybe unlikely but 9 points of play offs 9 points of relegation 1 win in 14 going backwards team in relegation form not promotion form

And just as a focus a team starting with a W last season who were building a new stand never thought that likely either , Wolves Divison 1 team now !
Yet more disapointment for the paying home punters , many around me yesterday having missed boxing day have not seen a home goal let alone a win for hours and hours , grumblings are getting louder and louder , 1 win in 14 games , draw at division 1 team bottom of the league etc this has to be one of the most important january transfer windows in watfords recent history, the plain fact we have not replaced Vydra despite Mr Duxburys claim in the summer if we lose players we replace with better !! How we have not signed a goalscorer , poacher , finisher whatever you want to call them to help Deeney is boardering on well v poor , we are stacked out with midfield players , not great ones either , have hogg and chalobah been replaced with better ? some thing off the field like stadium stuff seem to be moving forward but have we got the recruitment side right at this minute, it seems not the managers are not responsible for this apparently so the board Gino Pozzo , Gianluca Nani and Scott Duxbury you need to dare i say step up and support your manager and fast with striker not more midfielders , the home punters are very unhappy, lack of goals wins and entertainment will very soon reflect in poor attendances do not for one minute think we are to good to go down maybe unlikely but 9 points of play offs 9 points of relegation 1 win in 14 going backwards team in relegation form not promotion form And just as a focus a team starting with a W last season who were building a new stand never thought that likely either , Wolves Divison 1 team now ! bigthunder

12:18pm Sun 12 Jan 14

SAHornet says...

bigthunder wrote:
Yet more disapointment for the paying home punters , many around me yesterday having missed boxing day have not seen a home goal let alone a win for hours and hours , grumblings are getting louder and louder , 1 win in 14 games , draw at division 1 team bottom of the league etc

this has to be one of the most important january transfer windows in watfords recent history, the plain fact we have not replaced Vydra despite Mr Duxburys claim in the summer if we lose players we replace with better !!

How we have not signed a goalscorer , poacher , finisher whatever you want to call them to help Deeney is boardering on well v poor , we are stacked out with midfield players , not great ones either , have hogg and chalobah been replaced with better ?

some thing off the field like stadium stuff seem to be moving forward but have we got the recruitment side right at this minute, it seems not the managers are not responsible for this apparently so the board Gino Pozzo , Gianluca Nani and Scott Duxbury you need to dare i say step up and support your manager and fast with striker not more midfielders , the home punters are very unhappy, lack of goals wins and entertainment will very soon reflect in poor attendances
do not for one minute think we are to good to go down maybe unlikely but 9 points of play offs 9 points of relegation 1 win in 14 going backwards team in relegation form not promotion form

And just as a focus a team starting with a W last season who were building a new stand never thought that likely either , Wolves Divison 1 team now !
Don't normally agree with most of your comments BT but most of these are deffo worthy of consideration imho.
[quote][p][bold]bigthunder[/bold] wrote: Yet more disapointment for the paying home punters , many around me yesterday having missed boxing day have not seen a home goal let alone a win for hours and hours , grumblings are getting louder and louder , 1 win in 14 games , draw at division 1 team bottom of the league etc this has to be one of the most important january transfer windows in watfords recent history, the plain fact we have not replaced Vydra despite Mr Duxburys claim in the summer if we lose players we replace with better !! How we have not signed a goalscorer , poacher , finisher whatever you want to call them to help Deeney is boardering on well v poor , we are stacked out with midfield players , not great ones either , have hogg and chalobah been replaced with better ? some thing off the field like stadium stuff seem to be moving forward but have we got the recruitment side right at this minute, it seems not the managers are not responsible for this apparently so the board Gino Pozzo , Gianluca Nani and Scott Duxbury you need to dare i say step up and support your manager and fast with striker not more midfielders , the home punters are very unhappy, lack of goals wins and entertainment will very soon reflect in poor attendances do not for one minute think we are to good to go down maybe unlikely but 9 points of play offs 9 points of relegation 1 win in 14 going backwards team in relegation form not promotion form And just as a focus a team starting with a W last season who were building a new stand never thought that likely either , Wolves Divison 1 team now ![/p][/quote]Don't normally agree with most of your comments BT but most of these are deffo worthy of consideration imho. SAHornet

12:23pm Sun 12 Jan 14

goldenboy76 says...

Struggling to understand all the negativity. The point about yesterday was how much better we were when we went 4-3-3. It was night and day different and all of a sudden we were creating chances and things were clicking into place. It was just misfortune and poor finishing that meant we didn't get anything out of the game. After weeks of struggling to get the most out of talent we have, it's just possible that yesterday we stumbled upon a formation that could work for us.
Struggling to understand all the negativity. The point about yesterday was how much better we were when we went 4-3-3. It was night and day different and all of a sudden we were creating chances and things were clicking into place. It was just misfortune and poor finishing that meant we didn't get anything out of the game. After weeks of struggling to get the most out of talent we have, it's just possible that yesterday we stumbled upon a formation that could work for us. goldenboy76

12:54pm Sun 12 Jan 14

hogweed says...

For me it boils down to the loss of Vydra, Chalobah, Abdi and Hogg. We were shocking yesterday and I feel if things don't improve we could be sucked into a relegation battle.

Hog out
For me it boils down to the loss of Vydra, Chalobah, Abdi and Hogg. We were shocking yesterday and I feel if things don't improve we could be sucked into a relegation battle. Hog out hogweed

1:00pm Sun 12 Jan 14

longcliffe says...

Udinese B are not that good, are they?
Last season they were ok, but now every club knows how to play them. The Non-English speaking management will push them into the relegation zone.
You will be back to scraping 10,000 fans or less into your horrible little ground.
Udinese B are not that good, are they? Last season they were ok, but now every club knows how to play them. The Non-English speaking management will push them into the relegation zone. You will be back to scraping 10,000 fans or less into your horrible little ground. longcliffe

1:51pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Surbiton says...

longcliffe wrote:
Udinese B are not that good, are they?
Last season they were ok, but now every club knows how to play them. The Non-English speaking management will push them into the relegation zone.
You will be back to scraping 10,000 fans or less into your horrible little ground.
If that is all you can contribute, I suggest you go and crawl back under your stone, you numpty!
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Udinese B are not that good, are they? Last season they were ok, but now every club knows how to play them. The Non-English speaking management will push them into the relegation zone. You will be back to scraping 10,000 fans or less into your horrible little ground.[/p][/quote]If that is all you can contribute, I suggest you go and crawl back under your stone, you numpty! Surbiton

2:08pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

longcliffe wrote:
Udinese B are not that good, are they?
Last season they were ok, but now every club knows how to play them. The Non-English speaking management will push them into the relegation zone.
You will be back to scraping 10,000 fans or less into your horrible little ground.
Well of course you may be correct - as individuals we may well be supporters of a league 1 football club next season.......
But I guess things could be worse, as individuals we could be a lonely, sad, muppet, who's sole existence in life appears to revolve around trying to wind up and antagonise supporters of a football club for which you dislike. Is this envy perhaps? I might add that perhaps this an indication of the disdain and unhappiness in your own life which is reflected by your need to try and make others unhappy or angry. However, this is pure speculation from me, and for a more accurate diagnosis you'll need to speak to our resident watford fc fan and psychotherapist Rogeruk, who is certainly the expert in such fields, along with many other fields of expertise I might add.
Now surely you can do something else with your time? if you're really incapable of holding down a job then perhaps some voluntary work? You'll feel better about yourself and hopefully less spiteful toward others.
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Udinese B are not that good, are they? Last season they were ok, but now every club knows how to play them. The Non-English speaking management will push them into the relegation zone. You will be back to scraping 10,000 fans or less into your horrible little ground.[/p][/quote]Well of course you may be correct - as individuals we may well be supporters of a league 1 football club next season....... But I guess things could be worse, as individuals we could be a lonely, sad, muppet, who's sole existence in life appears to revolve around trying to wind up and antagonise supporters of a football club for which you dislike. Is this envy perhaps? I might add that perhaps this an indication of the disdain and unhappiness in your own life which is reflected by your need to try and make others unhappy or angry. However, this is pure speculation from me, and for a more accurate diagnosis you'll need to speak to our resident watford fc fan and psychotherapist Rogeruk, who is certainly the expert in such fields, along with many other fields of expertise I might add. Now surely you can do something else with your time? if you're really incapable of holding down a job then perhaps some voluntary work? You'll feel better about yourself and hopefully less spiteful toward others. Stoney77

2:26pm Sun 12 Jan 14

jasonwatford says...

Early days still , we are playing better than in the end of Zola's reign so lets see how we move forward over next 3 months. Write this season off now stay in mid table and build again.
Early days still , we are playing better than in the end of Zola's reign so lets see how we move forward over next 3 months. Write this season off now stay in mid table and build again. jasonwatford

2:36pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Essex Hornet says...

Another home game and another home defeat. The first half was dire with Reading coming at us straight out of the blocks and them scoring from an inswinging corner that seemed to take our defenders completley by suprise. Whilst the team may be spending more time on talking tactics surely someone from the coaching staff should have picked up the type of corners their guy was able to deliver into the box from previous video footage. He put over three very similar corners during the game and we seemed clueless on how to defend any of them.

It seems that my suggestion to Beppe and the coaching staff to work on Fabbrini's heading ability has fallen on deaf ears. The guy has talent but heading is very much his weakest area. I have not seen him win one ball in the air since he's been with the club which is a bit of a worry for someone playing in a forward position. He needs to do some serious work in the gym to stop him beig knocked off the ball so easily and he needs to start challenging defenders in the air in the hope that he may win the odd header. At the moment he spending alot of time being bundles off the ball and just stands there watching when a ball comes anywhere near him head height.

In the second half we came forward with some purpose and looked dangerous until we got in their penalty box. Once we got in the box we showed we'd have trouble hitting a barn door from five yards at the moment never mind actually sticking one in the net. Deeney was starved of decent service for most of the game but he should have tucked away at least one of the openings he had in the second half. As for LLoyds goal scoring opportunity, I hope that next time he just goes for it and shoots. He's got as much chance of scoring as anyone has the way we are playing at the moment.

Everyone can see we need another striker to support Troy and provide some competition up front. Let's hope there is some movement over the next couple of weeks.
Another home game and another home defeat. The first half was dire with Reading coming at us straight out of the blocks and them scoring from an inswinging corner that seemed to take our defenders completley by suprise. Whilst the team may be spending more time on talking tactics surely someone from the coaching staff should have picked up the type of corners their guy was able to deliver into the box from previous video footage. He put over three very similar corners during the game and we seemed clueless on how to defend any of them. It seems that my suggestion to Beppe and the coaching staff to work on Fabbrini's heading ability has fallen on deaf ears. The guy has talent but heading is very much his weakest area. I have not seen him win one ball in the air since he's been with the club which is a bit of a worry for someone playing in a forward position. He needs to do some serious work in the gym to stop him beig knocked off the ball so easily and he needs to start challenging defenders in the air in the hope that he may win the odd header. At the moment he spending alot of time being bundles off the ball and just stands there watching when a ball comes anywhere near him head height. In the second half we came forward with some purpose and looked dangerous until we got in their penalty box. Once we got in the box we showed we'd have trouble hitting a barn door from five yards at the moment never mind actually sticking one in the net. Deeney was starved of decent service for most of the game but he should have tucked away at least one of the openings he had in the second half. As for LLoyds goal scoring opportunity, I hope that next time he just goes for it and shoots. He's got as much chance of scoring as anyone has the way we are playing at the moment. Everyone can see we need another striker to support Troy and provide some competition up front. Let's hope there is some movement over the next couple of weeks. Essex Hornet

4:18pm Sun 12 Jan 14

goldenboytoo says...

We would have won comfortably today but for some woeful finishing. Yes, we were dreadful in the first half but had a string of great chances to turn it round in the second only to be let down by the finishing. McGugan in a great player but makes some poor (or just plain greedy) decisions in front of goal and Deeney and other are missing chances you would have bet your house on last term; and for all their very apparent skill, Fabbrini and Forestieri overthink themselves in the box at times whern they should just be putting their foot through the ball and burying it. As we hear so often, goalscoring is about confidence and ours is on the floor at the moment despite the great win over Millwall. If we could only bring in an out-and-out striker who could be relied upon (and has the confidence) to finish off all the pretty stuff I feel we would quickly climb the table. Our defence is looking much better overall despite a total lack of marking for the Reading goal yesterday.
We would have won comfortably today but for some woeful finishing. Yes, we were dreadful in the first half but had a string of great chances to turn it round in the second only to be let down by the finishing. McGugan in a great player but makes some poor (or just plain greedy) decisions in front of goal and Deeney and other are missing chances you would have bet your house on last term; and for all their very apparent skill, Fabbrini and Forestieri overthink themselves in the box at times whern they should just be putting their foot through the ball and burying it. As we hear so often, goalscoring is about confidence and ours is on the floor at the moment despite the great win over Millwall. If we could only bring in an out-and-out striker who could be relied upon (and has the confidence) to finish off all the pretty stuff I feel we would quickly climb the table. Our defence is looking much better overall despite a total lack of marking for the Reading goal yesterday. goldenboytoo

6:06pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

rogeruk wrote:
Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared!

They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late.

Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion.

Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era!
Your second paragraph is total nonsense, I say that not as in 'that's nonsense, I disagree', but as in the fact that it is complete gibberish. I have no idea what point you are trying to make? Are you pro-Pozzo, or anti-Pozzo? In the same breath as asking where the Pro-Pozzos brigade of clappers are, you blather on about clappers' naivety and ignorance and that they 'can't be told anything until it's too late'? So I guess you must be anti-Pozzo then? But I have no idea what you are on about, apart from the fact you are sanctimoniously attempting to criticise the masses as usual.

In answer to your opening question I am one of those people (sorry, my mistake, that should read 'one of those Sheeple') that you label as a member of the happy clapping brigade and I am Pro- Pozzo. However, funnily enough I don't feel the need to express my gratification for the Pozzos every week and in every post I make on here. I'm sure if there were an article which questioned or criticised the Pozzos then you would see evidence of said 'brigade', but to question their whereabouts on this article and just because we lost yesterday is irrelevant.

Personally, I will support the Pozzos because I trust what they are saying and doing. Call me a clapper if you like, or even BiPolar like you did the other day, but that's my stance. Even if we go down to league 1, I will still support the Pozzos. They have provided our club with a future which is much brighter than the future that our club has had since 2002. They will learn from their experiences and their mistakes and if they are here for the long run (which I hope they are) then we are, in my opinion, in safe hands.

Finally, just to add that I am as frustrated as anyone at our form. We should be doing better than what we are currently doing with the players we have, but let's not start questioning our owners after one below average season.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared! They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late. Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion. Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era![/p][/quote]Your second paragraph is total nonsense, I say that not as in 'that's nonsense, I disagree', but as in the fact that it is complete gibberish. I have no idea what point you are trying to make? Are you pro-Pozzo, or anti-Pozzo? In the same breath as asking where the Pro-Pozzos brigade of clappers are, you blather on about clappers' naivety and ignorance and that they 'can't be told anything until it's too late'? So I guess you must be anti-Pozzo then? But I have no idea what you are on about, apart from the fact you are sanctimoniously attempting to criticise the masses as usual. In answer to your opening question I am one of those people (sorry, my mistake, that should read 'one of those Sheeple') that you label as a member of the happy clapping brigade and I am Pro- Pozzo. However, funnily enough I don't feel the need to express my gratification for the Pozzos every week and in every post I make on here. I'm sure if there were an article which questioned or criticised the Pozzos then you would see evidence of said 'brigade', but to question their whereabouts on this article and just because we lost yesterday is irrelevant. Personally, I will support the Pozzos because I trust what they are saying and doing. Call me a clapper if you like, or even BiPolar like you did the other day, but that's my stance. Even if we go down to league 1, I will still support the Pozzos. They have provided our club with a future which is much brighter than the future that our club has had since 2002. They will learn from their experiences and their mistakes and if they are here for the long run (which I hope they are) then we are, in my opinion, in safe hands. Finally, just to add that I am as frustrated as anyone at our form. We should be doing better than what we are currently doing with the players we have, but let's not start questioning our owners after one below average season. Stoney77

6:43pm Sun 12 Jan 14

KeithMercer says...

Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared!

They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late.

Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion.

Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era!
Your second paragraph is total nonsense, I say that not as in 'that's nonsense, I disagree', but as in the fact that it is complete gibberish. I have no idea what point you are trying to make? Are you pro-Pozzo, or anti-Pozzo? In the same breath as asking where the Pro-Pozzos brigade of clappers are, you blather on about clappers' naivety and ignorance and that they 'can't be told anything until it's too late'? So I guess you must be anti-Pozzo then? But I have no idea what you are on about, apart from the fact you are sanctimoniously attempting to criticise the masses as usual.

In answer to your opening question I am one of those people (sorry, my mistake, that should read 'one of those Sheeple') that you label as a member of the happy clapping brigade and I am Pro- Pozzo. However, funnily enough I don't feel the need to express my gratification for the Pozzos every week and in every post I make on here. I'm sure if there were an article which questioned or criticised the Pozzos then you would see evidence of said 'brigade', but to question their whereabouts on this article and just because we lost yesterday is irrelevant.

Personally, I will support the Pozzos because I trust what they are saying and doing. Call me a clapper if you like, or even BiPolar like you did the other day, but that's my stance. Even if we go down to league 1, I will still support the Pozzos. They have provided our club with a future which is much brighter than the future that our club has had since 2002. They will learn from their experiences and their mistakes and if they are here for the long run (which I hope they are) then we are, in my opinion, in safe hands.

Finally, just to add that I am as frustrated as anyone at our form. We should be doing better than what we are currently doing with the players we have, but let's not start questioning our owners after one below average season.
Stoney the Pozzos have on record committed to 25 years !!
I think that should be long enough to swipe a few sly grins from the naysayers who will eventually jump back on the gravy train and claim they were always 100% behind all that is Watford .
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared! They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late. Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion. Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era![/p][/quote]Your second paragraph is total nonsense, I say that not as in 'that's nonsense, I disagree', but as in the fact that it is complete gibberish. I have no idea what point you are trying to make? Are you pro-Pozzo, or anti-Pozzo? In the same breath as asking where the Pro-Pozzos brigade of clappers are, you blather on about clappers' naivety and ignorance and that they 'can't be told anything until it's too late'? So I guess you must be anti-Pozzo then? But I have no idea what you are on about, apart from the fact you are sanctimoniously attempting to criticise the masses as usual. In answer to your opening question I am one of those people (sorry, my mistake, that should read 'one of those Sheeple') that you label as a member of the happy clapping brigade and I am Pro- Pozzo. However, funnily enough I don't feel the need to express my gratification for the Pozzos every week and in every post I make on here. I'm sure if there were an article which questioned or criticised the Pozzos then you would see evidence of said 'brigade', but to question their whereabouts on this article and just because we lost yesterday is irrelevant. Personally, I will support the Pozzos because I trust what they are saying and doing. Call me a clapper if you like, or even BiPolar like you did the other day, but that's my stance. Even if we go down to league 1, I will still support the Pozzos. They have provided our club with a future which is much brighter than the future that our club has had since 2002. They will learn from their experiences and their mistakes and if they are here for the long run (which I hope they are) then we are, in my opinion, in safe hands. Finally, just to add that I am as frustrated as anyone at our form. We should be doing better than what we are currently doing with the players we have, but let's not start questioning our owners after one below average season.[/p][/quote]Stoney the Pozzos have on record committed to 25 years !! I think that should be long enough to swipe a few sly grins from the naysayers who will eventually jump back on the gravy train and claim they were always 100% behind all that is Watford . KeithMercer

7:11pm Sun 12 Jan 14

SAHornet says...

I do think that The Pozzos are actually going to have to put their hands in their pockets and spend some real money on some established players who have experience of English football at its' best. The flow of foreign hopefuls that they send just doesn't seem to be working for us in general, does it ?
I do think that The Pozzos are actually going to have to put their hands in their pockets and spend some real money on some established players who have experience of English football at its' best. The flow of foreign hopefuls that they send just doesn't seem to be working for us in general, does it ? SAHornet

7:27pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

KeithMercer wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared!

They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late.

Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion.

Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era!
Your second paragraph is total nonsense, I say that not as in 'that's nonsense, I disagree', but as in the fact that it is complete gibberish. I have no idea what point you are trying to make? Are you pro-Pozzo, or anti-Pozzo? In the same breath as asking where the Pro-Pozzos brigade of clappers are, you blather on about clappers' naivety and ignorance and that they 'can't be told anything until it's too late'? So I guess you must be anti-Pozzo then? But I have no idea what you are on about, apart from the fact you are sanctimoniously attempting to criticise the masses as usual.

In answer to your opening question I am one of those people (sorry, my mistake, that should read 'one of those Sheeple') that you label as a member of the happy clapping brigade and I am Pro- Pozzo. However, funnily enough I don't feel the need to express my gratification for the Pozzos every week and in every post I make on here. I'm sure if there were an article which questioned or criticised the Pozzos then you would see evidence of said 'brigade', but to question their whereabouts on this article and just because we lost yesterday is irrelevant.

Personally, I will support the Pozzos because I trust what they are saying and doing. Call me a clapper if you like, or even BiPolar like you did the other day, but that's my stance. Even if we go down to league 1, I will still support the Pozzos. They have provided our club with a future which is much brighter than the future that our club has had since 2002. They will learn from their experiences and their mistakes and if they are here for the long run (which I hope they are) then we are, in my opinion, in safe hands.

Finally, just to add that I am as frustrated as anyone at our form. We should be doing better than what we are currently doing with the players we have, but let's not start questioning our owners after one below average season.
Stoney the Pozzos have on record committed to 25 years !!
I think that should be long enough to swipe a few sly grins from the naysayers who will eventually jump back on the gravy train and claim they were always 100% behind all that is Watford .
So Surely that is all we need to know. Their business model appears to be sound with the long term in mind. Maybe we'll go up next year, maybe we won't go up for 10 years, maybe we'll never go up, but at least we will have a financially stable club to continue watching our beloved 'ornz every week.
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Where are the Pozzos 'we love you' brigade of happy clappers? Suddenly seem to have disappeared! They were warned the Pozzos are businessmen looking for a return on their investment. Which is fine and normal. Its just the naivety of the clappers is astounding! 'Self denial' and profane insults is their only retort. So ignorant they can't be told anything until it is too late. Zola was sinking following the Wembley fiasco! Zola had two golden chances to get Watford promoted, almost unprecedented, he fluffed both! If Abdi gets to play any games this season it will be a result! Zola was very economical with the truth on Abdi's injury! Frequently giving the impression Abdi would be back in two or three weeks on more than one occasion. Its unfair at this time to criticize Sannino he is just picking up the mess left behind by Zola. The jury is out on Sannino. I hope he is successful, if he can turn it around and get us to finish in sixth place will be a wonderful achievement! Sannino needs time eg end of March and the supporters support. There is a case to be made West Ham have still not recovered from the Zola era![/p][/quote]Your second paragraph is total nonsense, I say that not as in 'that's nonsense, I disagree', but as in the fact that it is complete gibberish. I have no idea what point you are trying to make? Are you pro-Pozzo, or anti-Pozzo? In the same breath as asking where the Pro-Pozzos brigade of clappers are, you blather on about clappers' naivety and ignorance and that they 'can't be told anything until it's too late'? So I guess you must be anti-Pozzo then? But I have no idea what you are on about, apart from the fact you are sanctimoniously attempting to criticise the masses as usual. In answer to your opening question I am one of those people (sorry, my mistake, that should read 'one of those Sheeple') that you label as a member of the happy clapping brigade and I am Pro- Pozzo. However, funnily enough I don't feel the need to express my gratification for the Pozzos every week and in every post I make on here. I'm sure if there were an article which questioned or criticised the Pozzos then you would see evidence of said 'brigade', but to question their whereabouts on this article and just because we lost yesterday is irrelevant. Personally, I will support the Pozzos because I trust what they are saying and doing. Call me a clapper if you like, or even BiPolar like you did the other day, but that's my stance. Even if we go down to league 1, I will still support the Pozzos. They have provided our club with a future which is much brighter than the future that our club has had since 2002. They will learn from their experiences and their mistakes and if they are here for the long run (which I hope they are) then we are, in my opinion, in safe hands. Finally, just to add that I am as frustrated as anyone at our form. We should be doing better than what we are currently doing with the players we have, but let's not start questioning our owners after one below average season.[/p][/quote]Stoney the Pozzos have on record committed to 25 years !! I think that should be long enough to swipe a few sly grins from the naysayers who will eventually jump back on the gravy train and claim they were always 100% behind all that is Watford .[/p][/quote]So Surely that is all we need to know. Their business model appears to be sound with the long term in mind. Maybe we'll go up next year, maybe we won't go up for 10 years, maybe we'll never go up, but at least we will have a financially stable club to continue watching our beloved 'ornz every week. Stoney77

7:34pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

SAHornet wrote:
I do think that The Pozzos are actually going to have to put their hands in their pockets and spend some real money on some established players who have experience of English football at its' best. The flow of foreign hopefuls that they send just doesn't seem to be working for us in general, does it ?
Yes at some point but let's give them a chance. They are spending cash on the stadium which probably leaves nothing in the transfer pot and whilst they have a source of free, and undoubtedly skilful players, they would be silly not to take advantage. Perhaps, in time (I.e over 2 or 3 seasons) they will realise that to get out of this league they do need to invest in more steel and less flair but only time will tell. One thing is for sure we will always be a selling club, as we have been previously, but we will no longer be bent over and have our trousers pulled down by bigger clubs rinsing our talent for next to nothing.
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: I do think that The Pozzos are actually going to have to put their hands in their pockets and spend some real money on some established players who have experience of English football at its' best. The flow of foreign hopefuls that they send just doesn't seem to be working for us in general, does it ?[/p][/quote]Yes at some point but let's give them a chance. They are spending cash on the stadium which probably leaves nothing in the transfer pot and whilst they have a source of free, and undoubtedly skilful players, they would be silly not to take advantage. Perhaps, in time (I.e over 2 or 3 seasons) they will realise that to get out of this league they do need to invest in more steel and less flair but only time will tell. One thing is for sure we will always be a selling club, as we have been previously, but we will no longer be bent over and have our trousers pulled down by bigger clubs rinsing our talent for next to nothing. Stoney77

10:03pm Sun 12 Jan 14

MJ1 says...

This weekend last season we were 6th having won at Middlesbrough who were 5th. We had 43 points and had scored 49 goals. This season (on slightly fewer matches) we are 15th with 30 points having scored 35 goals. Our manager resigned after 6 home defeats and yet we still lose at home. None of the new coaching team speak a word on English or know the English game. It's not just that our strikers can't put away chances, it's that the players don't gel as a team. Basic skills such as how to take a free kick, take a corner, head for goal, just appear to be missing. There's no leader on the pitch. Reasons to be cheerful? I don't think so. Overseas ownership is ruining Premier League sides as they slide towards bankruptcy. It's currently taking us towards relegation on current form.
This weekend last season we were 6th having won at Middlesbrough who were 5th. We had 43 points and had scored 49 goals. This season (on slightly fewer matches) we are 15th with 30 points having scored 35 goals. Our manager resigned after 6 home defeats and yet we still lose at home. None of the new coaching team speak a word on English or know the English game. It's not just that our strikers can't put away chances, it's that the players don't gel as a team. Basic skills such as how to take a free kick, take a corner, head for goal, just appear to be missing. There's no leader on the pitch. Reasons to be cheerful? I don't think so. Overseas ownership is ruining Premier League sides as they slide towards bankruptcy. It's currently taking us towards relegation on current form. MJ1

1:03am Mon 13 Jan 14

Sydneyhornet says...

All the knifes are out now aren't they.

Before the Pozzo's came in, talk of promotion was a dream. Now they are there and we sit in 15th 9 points above the bottom three with a game in hand on most others around us we start talking of relegation and give the manager that's lost one game 12 more to justify his place?

Have we all forgotten where we were and where we have the potential to go?

Its a bad patch, I admit, but please keep some faith.
All the knifes are out now aren't they. Before the Pozzo's came in, talk of promotion was a dream. Now they are there and we sit in 15th 9 points above the bottom three with a game in hand on most others around us we start talking of relegation and give the manager that's lost one game 12 more to justify his place? Have we all forgotten where we were and where we have the potential to go? Its a bad patch, I admit, but please keep some faith. Sydneyhornet

9:10am Mon 13 Jan 14

bristol hornet says...

MJ1 wrote:
This weekend last season we were 6th having won at Middlesbrough who were 5th. We had 43 points and had scored 49 goals. This season (on slightly fewer matches) we are 15th with 30 points having scored 35 goals. Our manager resigned after 6 home defeats and yet we still lose at home. None of the new coaching team speak a word on English or know the English game. It's not just that our strikers can't put away chances, it's that the players don't gel as a team. Basic skills such as how to take a free kick, take a corner, head for goal, just appear to be missing. There's no leader on the pitch. Reasons to be cheerful? I don't think so. Overseas ownership is ruining Premier League sides as they slide towards bankruptcy. It's currently taking us towards relegation on current form.
And to think that we have ex-Watford players such as Sean Dyche, Brendan Rodgers, Malky MacKay, Tim Sherwood, Kenny Jackett, Nigel Gibbs, and Keith Millen all in good managerial or coaching positions!

Oh for some British passion, and knowledge of the Championship instead of this incessant stream of non-English speaking personnel!!!!
[quote][p][bold]MJ1[/bold] wrote: This weekend last season we were 6th having won at Middlesbrough who were 5th. We had 43 points and had scored 49 goals. This season (on slightly fewer matches) we are 15th with 30 points having scored 35 goals. Our manager resigned after 6 home defeats and yet we still lose at home. None of the new coaching team speak a word on English or know the English game. It's not just that our strikers can't put away chances, it's that the players don't gel as a team. Basic skills such as how to take a free kick, take a corner, head for goal, just appear to be missing. There's no leader on the pitch. Reasons to be cheerful? I don't think so. Overseas ownership is ruining Premier League sides as they slide towards bankruptcy. It's currently taking us towards relegation on current form.[/p][/quote]And to think that we have ex-Watford players such as Sean Dyche, Brendan Rodgers, Malky MacKay, Tim Sherwood, Kenny Jackett, Nigel Gibbs, and Keith Millen all in good managerial or coaching positions! Oh for some British passion, and knowledge of the Championship instead of this incessant stream of non-English speaking personnel!!!! bristol hornet

11:17am Mon 13 Jan 14

longcliffe says...

I can't see this Sannino fellow doing anything except get you relegated.
Incidentally, I think most of you lot actually agree with me.
I can't see this Sannino fellow doing anything except get you relegated. Incidentally, I think most of you lot actually agree with me. longcliffe

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