The FA charge Watford following penalty appeal during the game with Ipswich Town

This Is Local London: The FA charge is believed to relate to Watford's reaction to Graham Scott's penalty decision. The FA charge is believed to relate to Watford's reaction to Graham Scott's penalty decision.

The FA have charged Watford for “failing to ensure its players conducted themselves in an orderly fashion and/or refrained from provocative behaviour” during Saturday’s match against Ipswich Town.

The FA statement does not explain in detail what the charge relates to but it does add the incident occurred in or around the 71st minute, which was when the penalty was awarded.

Video footage shows the Hornets players reacting angrily to Graham Scott’s decision to award the penalty. Joel Ekstrand can be seen shouting in the referee’s face and Gabriele Angella appeared to place his hands on the official.

The FA statement read: “Watford have been charged for failing to ensure its players conducted themselves in an orderly fashion and/or refrained from provocative behaviour.‬ “It follows an incident which occurred in or around the 71st minute of their game at Ipswich Town on 21 December 2013‬.

“The club has until 6pm on 30 December 2013 to respond to the charge.‬”

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11:22am Tue 24 Dec 13

not a regular says...

F*** the FA. At this point I'm thinking we follow Martin Samuel's advice and literally pack up and go play in Italy. Bit sunnier.
F*** the FA. At this point I'm thinking we follow Martin Samuel's advice and literally pack up and go play in Italy. Bit sunnier. not a regular

11:30am Tue 24 Dec 13

jasonwatford says...

What a bunch of Wa@@@@@ , maybe we should charge the FA for putting an inept C@@@ in charge of a football game. Hw couldn't wait to give a decision like that against us.
What a bunch of Wa@@@@@ , maybe we should charge the FA for putting an inept C@@@ in charge of a football game. Hw couldn't wait to give a decision like that against us. jasonwatford

11:35am Tue 24 Dec 13

Nick El Greco says...

What has the players' behaviour on the spur of the moment got to do with "the club" ? If the ref had a problem with anything done during the match it is up to him to deal with it at the time, not to wimp out and leave it up to some faceless desk johnny.

Once the whistle blows, the 22 combatants are under the control of the ref. If a boxer hits with a low blow, is his management company held responsible? ridiculous
What has the players' behaviour on the spur of the moment got to do with "the club" ? If the ref had a problem with anything done during the match it is up to him to deal with it at the time, not to wimp out and leave it up to some faceless desk johnny. Once the whistle blows, the 22 combatants are under the control of the ref. If a boxer hits with a low blow, is his management company held responsible? ridiculous Nick El Greco

11:36am Tue 24 Dec 13

ORBY says...

Perhaps the FA should look closer at the penalty decision to understand why some of the players reacted the way they did. Too often it is easier to ignore the reaction than it is to address the reason. The referees job is not easy, but they do not do themselves any favours by not taking a few extra seconds to evaluate the situation before making a decision. The majority of referees have not played football at a high level, yes they may know the rules, but common sense should prevail.
Martin Samuels is only carrying on Jeff Powells'(his boss) vendetta against Graham Taylor and Watford.
Perhaps the FA should look closer at the penalty decision to understand why some of the players reacted the way they did. Too often it is easier to ignore the reaction than it is to address the reason. The referees job is not easy, but they do not do themselves any favours by not taking a few extra seconds to evaluate the situation before making a decision. The majority of referees have not played football at a high level, yes they may know the rules, but common sense should prevail. Martin Samuels is only carrying on Jeff Powells'(his boss) vendetta against Graham Taylor and Watford. ORBY

11:40am Tue 24 Dec 13

gloryhornet4 says...

No players should argue with the ref. At Cloughie said Leeds would have 8 players in the refs face every time they a decision went against them and that is cheating.
However the FA needs to raise the bar of the standard of ref they subject the Championship to. With decisions like Saturday the attacking side are better off peppering defenders with close range crosses and shots, as they don't have to move a hand to the ball it seems to give away a penalty.
It looked clumsy but the ref must give what he sees not what he imagines.
A bit of a spill-over form the shocker in the play-off v Leicester which showed how easy it is to concede a penalty that the ref later admitted he got wrong.
No players should argue with the ref. At Cloughie said Leeds would have 8 players in the refs face every time they a decision went against them and that is cheating. However the FA needs to raise the bar of the standard of ref they subject the Championship to. With decisions like Saturday the attacking side are better off peppering defenders with close range crosses and shots, as they don't have to move a hand to the ball it seems to give away a penalty. It looked clumsy but the ref must give what he sees not what he imagines. A bit of a spill-over form the shocker in the play-off v Leicester which showed how easy it is to concede a penalty that the ref later admitted he got wrong. gloryhornet4

11:42am Tue 24 Dec 13

only5foot3 says...

well i applaud their desire.

the ref and officials had a shocker.

what about the handball minutes later down the other end?
well i applaud their desire. the ref and officials had a shocker. what about the handball minutes later down the other end? only5foot3

11:57am Tue 24 Dec 13

kevhenderson says...

The players' behaviour was perhaps unacceptable, but this goes on in most PL games week in week out and very little is done. As usual, the FA are happy to take on the little clubs, but not the big clubs.
The players' behaviour was perhaps unacceptable, but this goes on in most PL games week in week out and very little is done. As usual, the FA are happy to take on the little clubs, but not the big clubs. kevhenderson

12:03pm Tue 24 Dec 13

SimmyB says...

Pfft. Ridiculous. Its behaviour you see in the Prem most Saturdays!!!!! Feel like we're being picked on slightly!
Pfft. Ridiculous. Its behaviour you see in the Prem most Saturdays!!!!! Feel like we're being picked on slightly! SimmyB

12:15pm Tue 24 Dec 13

gloryhornet4 says...

not a regular wrote:
F*** the FA. At this point I'm thinking we follow Martin Samuel's advice and literally pack up and go play in Italy. Bit sunnier.
Samuels won't get much inspiration in Italy for his articles for the Jewish Chronicle.
[quote][p][bold]not a regular[/bold] wrote: F*** the FA. At this point I'm thinking we follow Martin Samuel's advice and literally pack up and go play in Italy. Bit sunnier.[/p][/quote]Samuels won't get much inspiration in Italy for his articles for the Jewish Chronicle. gloryhornet4

12:16pm Tue 24 Dec 13

WanderingDynamo says...

I don't go to games anymore.

One of the deciding factors other than astronomic costs was the appalling standard of referees.

The officials aren't helped by players constantly cheating - remember when there used to be an outcry from professionals everywhere saying the rule makers were making it a non-contact sport? Now players cite contact as a reason to fall over and gain a free-kick.

Sub-standard officials, cheating and pay through the nose to be a witness to such codswallop. No thanks!
I don't go to games anymore. One of the deciding factors other than astronomic costs was the appalling standard of referees. The officials aren't helped by players constantly cheating - remember when there used to be an outcry from professionals everywhere saying the rule makers were making it a non-contact sport? Now players cite contact as a reason to fall over and gain a free-kick. Sub-standard officials, cheating and pay through the nose to be a witness to such codswallop. No thanks! WanderingDynamo

12:22pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Hornets number 12 fan says...

Typical FA instead of getting to the root of the problem they pussyfoot around by stinging the players and he clubs
Typical FA instead of getting to the root of the problem they pussyfoot around by stinging the players and he clubs Hornets number 12 fan

12:57pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Well done to the FA on yet again on showing what a bunch of inept pr1cks they are.

If they have got so much free time on their hands, why don't they (a) focus a bit more on racism, and (b) start docking clubs points where their players blatantly cheat by diving? These two areas are a bit more important than a player or two getting a bit agitated over officials making (wrong) decisions.


Ta

HC
Well done to the FA on yet again on showing what a bunch of inept pr1cks they are. If they have got so much free time on their hands, why don't they (a) focus a bit more on racism, and (b) start docking clubs points where their players blatantly cheat by diving? These two areas are a bit more important than a player or two getting a bit agitated over officials making (wrong) decisions. Ta HC Hornet Cornet

3:00pm Tue 24 Dec 13

demerit says...

WanderingDynamo wrote:
I don't go to games anymore.

One of the deciding factors other than astronomic costs was the appalling standard of referees.

The officials aren't helped by players constantly cheating - remember when there used to be an outcry from professionals everywhere saying the rule makers were making it a non-contact sport? Now players cite contact as a reason to fall over and gain a free-kick.

Sub-standard officials, cheating and pay through the nose to be a witness to such codswallop. No thanks!
I think the main reason you don't go is because you don't have the passion or the interest. A true fan would go to matches regardless and wouldn't use those excuses. No matter though, I am not criticising. It isn't for everyone.
[quote][p][bold]WanderingDynamo[/bold] wrote: I don't go to games anymore. One of the deciding factors other than astronomic costs was the appalling standard of referees. The officials aren't helped by players constantly cheating - remember when there used to be an outcry from professionals everywhere saying the rule makers were making it a non-contact sport? Now players cite contact as a reason to fall over and gain a free-kick. Sub-standard officials, cheating and pay through the nose to be a witness to such codswallop. No thanks![/p][/quote]I think the main reason you don't go is because you don't have the passion or the interest. A true fan would go to matches regardless and wouldn't use those excuses. No matter though, I am not criticising. It isn't for everyone. demerit

3:19pm Tue 24 Dec 13

KeithMercer says...

I think the administrators must have knocked off early today !
Rediculous charge by the FA , everyone does this week in week out , does not make it right ! but why Watford get charged and no one else ?
LD , Boosey and the boys see you down @ West Herts for the Millwall beating .
I think the administrators must have knocked off early today ! Rediculous charge by the FA , everyone does this week in week out , does not make it right ! but why Watford get charged and no one else ? LD , Boosey and the boys see you down @ West Herts for the Millwall beating . KeithMercer

4:27pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Hornet1995 says...

Ridiculous! Another case of the victimisation of our football club over the last year. We should ge getting an apology from the referee chief for the diabolical performances of referees, like west brom did. I can count at least 4 occasions in the last month or 2 where they've had a complete shocker: 1)ball over line at brighton. 2)booking the wrong player against derby.3)disallowed goal against sheff wed. 4)penalty at the weekend. These refs are totally useless and quite frankly the fa infuriate me even more in instances like the above. These crap refs may cost us promotion yet again!
Ridiculous! Another case of the victimisation of our football club over the last year. We should ge getting an apology from the referee chief for the diabolical performances of referees, like west brom did. I can count at least 4 occasions in the last month or 2 where they've had a complete shocker: 1)ball over line at brighton. 2)booking the wrong player against derby.3)disallowed goal against sheff wed. 4)penalty at the weekend. These refs are totally useless and quite frankly the fa infuriate me even more in instances like the above. These crap refs may cost us promotion yet again! Hornet1995

4:38pm Tue 24 Dec 13

abbotshornet says...

Nick El Greco wrote:
What has the players' behaviour on the spur of the moment got to do with "the club" ? If the ref had a problem with anything done during the match it is up to him to deal with it at the time, not to wimp out and leave it up to some faceless desk johnny.

Once the whistle blows, the 22 combatants are under the control of the ref. If a boxer hits with a low blow, is his management company held responsible? ridiculous
Watford players have had some outrageous refereeing decisions against us over the years and have never reacted as badly as a lot of other teams.
It must have been a particularly poor penalty decision for everyone to react so strongly, It certainly looked like it on the TV.
We are always told that if the referee sees and deals with an incident then the FA cannot go behind it, now it seems that is exactly what they are doing.
In retrospect the ref may have realised he messed up, that's why he did not send anyone off at the time. COYGB's
[quote][p][bold]Nick El Greco[/bold] wrote: What has the players' behaviour on the spur of the moment got to do with "the club" ? If the ref had a problem with anything done during the match it is up to him to deal with it at the time, not to wimp out and leave it up to some faceless desk johnny. Once the whistle blows, the 22 combatants are under the control of the ref. If a boxer hits with a low blow, is his management company held responsible? ridiculous[/p][/quote]Watford players have had some outrageous refereeing decisions against us over the years and have never reacted as badly as a lot of other teams. It must have been a particularly poor penalty decision for everyone to react so strongly, It certainly looked like it on the TV. We are always told that if the referee sees and deals with an incident then the FA cannot go behind it, now it seems that is exactly what they are doing. In retrospect the ref may have realised he messed up, that's why he did not send anyone off at the time. COYGB's abbotshornet

5:06pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

I think to be fair, if Angella laid his hands on / raised his hands to the ref then that's one step too far and you can't really argue against him facing disciplinary action. However, in this case, you need to question whether the punishment fits the crime? I wasn't there and have not seen the footage but if only one individual has overstepped the mark (I.e Angella) then a fine for the club is too far in my opinion - Angella, and only Angella, should face individual punishment - but not the club. I understand it's only handbags from Angella but you need to draw the line somewhere.

As for players giving the ref an earful, well we see this in the premier league week in week out so it's absolutely ridiculous if it has any bearing on the punishment. From what I understand it was only 3 or 4 players surrounding the ref - had it been the entire team shouting at the ref then perhaps some punishment is justified. (Regardless of how bad a decision is these professional footballers do need to remain just that, professional.)

However, that said, the FA should man up, pull their heads out of the backsides of the big teams in the premiership and hand out fines to them rather than trying to make an example out of Watford - pathetic and gutless.

And on the flip side this is one of the reasons why I like Ekstrand, he demonstrates a lot of passion on field and whilst wearing the yellow shirt, I guess he just needs to learn to curb it slightly and maybe harness it/turn into positive energy.

Merry Christmas to all fellow Ornz (apart from the flare / smoke bomb carrying muppets). Can't wait for my first ever Boxing Day game (Boxing day football attendance green card application to the missus has finally been accepted - COYH!!!)
I think to be fair, if Angella laid his hands on / raised his hands to the ref then that's one step too far and you can't really argue against him facing disciplinary action. However, in this case, you need to question whether the punishment fits the crime? I wasn't there and have not seen the footage but if only one individual has overstepped the mark (I.e Angella) then a fine for the club is too far in my opinion - Angella, and only Angella, should face individual punishment - but not the club. I understand it's only handbags from Angella but you need to draw the line somewhere. As for players giving the ref an earful, well we see this in the premier league week in week out so it's absolutely ridiculous if it has any bearing on the punishment. From what I understand it was only 3 or 4 players surrounding the ref - had it been the entire team shouting at the ref then perhaps some punishment is justified. (Regardless of how bad a decision is these professional footballers do need to remain just that, professional.) However, that said, the FA should man up, pull their heads out of the backsides of the big teams in the premiership and hand out fines to them rather than trying to make an example out of Watford - pathetic and gutless. And on the flip side this is one of the reasons why I like Ekstrand, he demonstrates a lot of passion on field and whilst wearing the yellow shirt, I guess he just needs to learn to curb it slightly and maybe harness it/turn into positive energy. Merry Christmas to all fellow Ornz (apart from the flare / smoke bomb carrying muppets). Can't wait for my first ever Boxing Day game (Boxing day football attendance green card application to the missus has finally been accepted - COYH!!!) Stoney77

6:02pm Tue 24 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

WanderingDynamo wrote:
I don't go to games anymore.

One of the deciding factors other than astronomic costs was the appalling standard of referees.

The officials aren't helped by players constantly cheating - remember when there used to be an outcry from professionals everywhere saying the rule makers were making it a non-contact sport? Now players cite contact as a reason to fall over and gain a free-kick.

Sub-standard officials, cheating and pay through the nose to be a witness to such codswallop. No thanks!
Off you go then ! Best leave thisFOOTBALL forum to peeps that are interested in WFC, football and football matters in general. Think that www.moaners.com might be interesting for you.
[quote][p][bold]WanderingDynamo[/bold] wrote: I don't go to games anymore. One of the deciding factors other than astronomic costs was the appalling standard of referees. The officials aren't helped by players constantly cheating - remember when there used to be an outcry from professionals everywhere saying the rule makers were making it a non-contact sport? Now players cite contact as a reason to fall over and gain a free-kick. Sub-standard officials, cheating and pay through the nose to be a witness to such codswallop. No thanks![/p][/quote]Off you go then ! Best leave thisFOOTBALL forum to peeps that are interested in WFC, football and football matters in general. Think that www.moaners.com might be interesting for you. SAHornet

9:23pm Tue 24 Dec 13

HornetJJ says...

What a complete joke. Until the incompetent idiots we have "refereeing" our games are held accountable and are made to explain themselves then teams should not be charged for incidents like this. It is fair to say that incompetent refereeing cost us automatic promotion last season. 1 point would have been enough. Referees cost us at least 15 points!
What a complete joke. Until the incompetent idiots we have "refereeing" our games are held accountable and are made to explain themselves then teams should not be charged for incidents like this. It is fair to say that incompetent refereeing cost us automatic promotion last season. 1 point would have been enough. Referees cost us at least 15 points! HornetJJ

9:51pm Tue 24 Dec 13

goldanboy says...

The FA should be charged for not controlling their referees. However, for all the bad decisions we get, I can't stand refs being surrounded by players. I saw an under 14 game once and was shocked to see the whole team approach the ref. It needs to be stamped out, but let's start from the top, with the likes of Rooney and Terry getting match bans.
The FA should be charged for not controlling their referees. However, for all the bad decisions we get, I can't stand refs being surrounded by players. I saw an under 14 game once and was shocked to see the whole team approach the ref. It needs to be stamped out, but let's start from the top, with the likes of Rooney and Terry getting match bans. goldanboy

10:03pm Tue 24 Dec 13

gloryhornet4 says...

gloryhornet4 wrote:
not a regular wrote:
F*** the FA. At this point I'm thinking we follow Martin Samuel's advice and literally pack up and go play in Italy. Bit sunnier.
Samuels won't get much inspiration in Italy for his articles for the Jewish Chronicle.
For the benefit of those that gave me neg scores, Samuels is a professional journalist and well respected. My point is he won't go to Italy as he will lose inspiration as well as his audience. I don't like anyone who takes a swipe at GT though.
[quote][p][bold]gloryhornet4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]not a regular[/bold] wrote: F*** the FA. At this point I'm thinking we follow Martin Samuel's advice and literally pack up and go play in Italy. Bit sunnier.[/p][/quote]Samuels won't get much inspiration in Italy for his articles for the Jewish Chronicle.[/p][/quote]For the benefit of those that gave me neg scores, Samuels is a professional journalist and well respected. My point is he won't go to Italy as he will lose inspiration as well as his audience. I don't like anyone who takes a swipe at GT though. gloryhornet4

9:23pm Wed 25 Dec 13

Watford1960 says...

If the referee saw anything untoward he should have issued further yellow or red cards. In the context of that incident if he didn't see it he must still have been hallucinating on the different planet where he saw a handball. As a previous poster has said we have consistently been mistreated by referees in recent seasons. The accumulation of refereeing blunders last season certainly cost us more than the one point needed for promotion and it continues. We should ask for a personal hearing so that we can present the huge catalogue of evidence that THIS CLUB is not being treated fairly by referees and Mr Scott is one of a handful of consistent culprits.
If the referee saw anything untoward he should have issued further yellow or red cards. In the context of that incident if he didn't see it he must still have been hallucinating on the different planet where he saw a handball. As a previous poster has said we have consistently been mistreated by referees in recent seasons. The accumulation of refereeing blunders last season certainly cost us more than the one point needed for promotion and it continues. We should ask for a personal hearing so that we can present the huge catalogue of evidence that THIS CLUB is not being treated fairly by referees and Mr Scott is one of a handful of consistent culprits. Watford1960

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