COMMENT: Watford's appointment of Giuseppe Sannino is a risk but it is a calculated one based on sound reasoning

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Comment by Frank Smith

The appointment of Giuseppe Sannino as Watford’s new head coach is a risk. But do not be mistaken. It is a calculated one based on sound reasoning and made by someone who has a track record of getting things right.

Gianfranco Zola had Premier League experience as a player and head coach, he spoke the language, had lived in England many years and, due to his exceptional playing career and personality, had the respect of the players instantly.

Sannino, on the other hand, must have been one of the most searched terms on Google in the last week as little is known about the coach on these shores.

If you glance at his recent record, consider he has no Championship experience and does not speak the language, then you can understand the scepticism and, in some cases fear, from supporters.

This week one prominent radio show presenter took great pleasure in ridiculing the appointment and highlighted Sannino’s recent record at Chievo, where he was sacked after 12 games having won just one of those, and Palermo, where he was replaced after three games and then reappointed later in the season only to then fail to keep them in Serie A.

At a glance, his recent record looks terrible but there are mitigating circumstances in both instances.

Chievo have a squad which is expected to be embroiled in a relegation battle and Palermo’s owner is known to be volatile and I was told by one Italian journalist that the squad Sannino inherited was the club’s worst in a decade.

But if you look at his managerial record prior to those clubs, it is superb and includes four consecutive promotions with three different clubs.

The fact he has had 13 different clubs during his 17-year coaching career has been highlighted but that is largely down to a very different attitude to the management of clubs in Italy. Head coaches are changed regularly during a season, quite often more than once, and they do not hold the same importance as a manager does in England.

Traditionally managers in the UK make most decisions relating to football matters. That isn’t the case abroad, with owners and technical or sporting directors given as much importance, if not more. Head coaches are deemed as interchangeable and there is not as much importance placed on long-term stability in terms of the man at the helm of the team.

That is the way Watford now operate and, whether the supporters like the model or not, it is here to stay.

Now it is important to recognise Hornets owner Gino Pozzo was patient with Zola; they did not fire the Italian despite five consecutive home defeats and nine without a win.

But in many respects, Zola did not fit in with the Pozzo model. The family do not usually go for names or whether they have huge clubs on their CV; it is about the way that individual works.

And the way Zola operated wasn’t necessarily a perfect fit for the Pozzos. Watford owner Gino Pozzo likes his team to be disciplined, work extremely hard in training and spend a lot of time on tactical sessions. That wasn’t always the case under the Hornets previous head coach.

Udinese spend around eight hours a week on tactical work and clubs like Juventus are said to do around 12 hours. I’ve been told Watford would sometimes do a solitary hour during a seven-day week. Often the players would also have Thursdays off, despite having a game 48 hours later, which is also questionable.

Pozzo now lives locally and would regularly attend training sessions so he was aware of the issues at London Colney but Zola produced results for most of his time in charge – after all the likeable head coach narrowly missed out on promotion to the Premier League twice – so the perceived shortcomings were tolerated.

But Watford started to look for a successor two weeks before Zola decided to leave following a decline in form, which resulted in some supporters questioning whether he was indeed pushed. However, the club are adamant the Chelsea legend was not sacked and he did resign.

The club’s decision to look for possible replacements weeks in advance of Zola leaving should not be criticised; it enabled them to have a new man and all of his staff in place less than a day-and-a-half after Zola’s departure was confirmed. If anything they should be praised.

It means the appointment was not a snap decision. They considered their options and approached Sannino two weeks before Zola left. Such behaviour is not uncommon, it’s just we rarely hear about it.

The appointment of an Italian who doesn’t know the league has been criticised, maybe correctly, time will tell. But it is hardly surprising either because, as I mentioned before, the Pozzos concentrate on the type of coach and their main attributes. It is therefore hard for Gino Pozzo to know with confidence the coaching style and personality of someone like Owen Coyle, for example. Whereas he knows all about Sannino and his strengths.

The new Golden Boys’ head coach is a student of the game, he spends a lot of time on tactical preparation and is known for developing a togetherness in his squads.

His tactical nous means he adapts to situations. At clubs such as Varese, where he almost secured three consecutive promotions, with a play-off defeat denying them a place in Serie A, he was known for playing an attractive style of football.

He tried to continue playing attractive football at Siena and Palermo in Serie A but during his second stint at Palermo and Chievo, he attempted to make his teams harder to beat, although one journalist I spoke to questioned whether he sometimes places too much emphasis on the opposing side.

Opposition analysis, tactical preparation and a fighting spirit were some of the areas which arguably need addressing at Watford and are some of Sannino’s strengths. I’ve been told the team did a two-and-a-half hours of tactical work on his first day at the club.

The Pozzos believe that if the structures are put in place, then it allows the club to assess more accurately whether the players are good enough. This squad is better than no win in nine and 13th in the table so it will be up to Sannino to prove he is the right man to turn the club’s recent form around.

Not speaking English is a problem and so is the fact only one of his four new assistant coaches speaks the language reasonably. But with retained staff like head of medical Marco Cesarini and sports scientist Giovanni Brignardello, and players such as Manuel Almunia, Joel Ekstrand and Marco Cassetti bi-lingual, that should help somewhat.

It is easy to be doubtful of head coaches we have never heard of. But had the wider public heard of Aidy Boothroyd or Brendan Rodgers before their spells at Watford? And players like Almen Abdi, Matej Vydra and Gabriele Angella were unknown quantities to most English football fans before they showed up at Vicarage Road.

This piece is not meant to be an endorsement of Sannino as time will ultimately tell whether he will be a success or whether those with serious reservations were right.

But I have been hugely impressed by Gino Pozzo and he has a track record of bringing long-term success.

Chief executive Scott Duxbury has made a point of saying the Pozzo family are here for the next 25 years so this is not an example of a foreign owner coming in, throwing money at a club to secure the riches of Premier League football before swiftly departing.

The Pozzos are here to stay and their track record at Udinese and Granada indicate that if Sannino is not the correct appointment, then they will find the right man for Watford FC eventually.

 

- It is said that you should never meet your heroes because you always end up disappointed. Well that certainly wasn’t the case with Gianfranco Zola.

Gianfranco was my idol growing up; he inspired me as a boy and made me fall in love with the beautiful game that little bit more.

He has the public perception of being a lovely guy and he is; he was a gentleman throughout his 17 months in charge and showed that with the way he left the club.

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3:44pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Dutch Hornet says...

Good article.
Good article. Dutch Hornet

3:44pm Thu 19 Dec 13

not a regular says...

Good objective piece Frank.

Unfortunately you referred to Adrian Durham as a "radio show presenter".
Good objective piece Frank. Unfortunately you referred to Adrian Durham as a "radio show presenter". not a regular

3:55pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Boosey says...

After reading that, I can't wait for Boxing Day now. Bring it on!
After reading that, I can't wait for Boxing Day now. Bring it on! Boosey

3:59pm Thu 19 Dec 13

endean2 says...

so this could hardly be called an appointment without risk to put it mildly.
I am normally a cup half full man a but after reading that article.............

I am more concerned than ever.
Interesting times ahead certainly

coyh
so this could hardly be called an appointment without risk to put it mildly. I am normally a cup half full man a but after reading that article............. I am more concerned than ever. Interesting times ahead certainly coyh endean2

4:12pm Thu 19 Dec 13

InterludeWFC says...

Well-balanced and fair article Frank - hopefully your level-headedness will transfer to some of the blindly ignorant people on here.

It seems like a very savvy appointment from the Pozzos. Anyone with a passing knowledge of football will tell you that we have a squad of technically-brillian
t and talented players, all that is needed is for some fighting spirit to be instilled - Sannino looks to the man who can inject what is required.
Well-balanced and fair article Frank - hopefully your level-headedness will transfer to some of the blindly ignorant people on here. It seems like a very savvy appointment from the Pozzos. Anyone with a passing knowledge of football will tell you that we have a squad of technically-brillian t and talented players, all that is needed is for some fighting spirit to be instilled - Sannino looks to the man who can inject what is required. InterludeWFC

4:13pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Singhorn72 says...

He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns!
He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns! Singhorn72

4:15pm Thu 19 Dec 13

MainStandShambles says...

Well now we all have a bit more background to this weeks events explained.

This is an interesting article from Frank, i appreciate it's only a personal comment but atleast we have it. All good stuff.

Onwards and upwards.
Well now we all have a bit more background to this weeks events explained. This is an interesting article from Frank, i appreciate it's only a personal comment but atleast we have it. All good stuff. Onwards and upwards. MainStandShambles

4:17pm Thu 19 Dec 13

sgevans says...

Good article and underlines a comment I made on an earlier stream.

It is a mistake to compare this hiring decision with other hires made at clubs within the Championship because we are NOT operating like any other club in the Championship. Whether the model implemented by the Pozzo's works in this league or not will be tested over the next year or so, but it is the model we have. As stated above the Head Coach in this structure is a cog in the machine not the machine itself.

I liken this approach and the concept of global scouting combined with strong youth development to many Premiership organizations as well as many European teams - all influenced by the early 70's Ajax approach.

If you look at what Ferguson did in his early years at Man Utd, it was to build a youth oriented infrastructure to bring in UK and global talent some of which made it, many of which did not - and in those early years fans wanted him fired.

Now Fergie was also a strong Manager in the UK model and perhaps that blend of English Management and Global talent sourcing will be where the Pozzo's settle. In the interim we can expect to see strong technical coaches with little "star appeal" who hopefully allow the team to do the talking for them.

Time will tell whether this Head Coach model will succeed in the UK or whether a hybrid will be the best result but if you look at Wigan, Southampton, Swansea and yes even Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool under Brenda - this is a recipe that is getting results. Meanwhile the old school structures and managers seem increasingly to be turning into dinosaurs, hired by old-school owners and teams that unless they are bankrolled heavily are slipping into relative obscurity. Think, Coventry, Charlton, Portsmouth, Derby, Leicester, both Sheffield teams, Leeds etc.
Good article and underlines a comment I made on an earlier stream. It is a mistake to compare this hiring decision with other hires made at clubs within the Championship because we are NOT operating like any other club in the Championship. Whether the model implemented by the Pozzo's works in this league or not will be tested over the next year or so, but it is the model we have. As stated above the Head Coach in this structure is a cog in the machine not the machine itself. I liken this approach and the concept of global scouting combined with strong youth development to many Premiership organizations as well as many European teams - all influenced by the early 70's Ajax approach. If you look at what Ferguson did in his early years at Man Utd, it was to build a youth oriented infrastructure to bring in UK and global talent some of which made it, many of which did not - and in those early years fans wanted him fired. Now Fergie was also a strong Manager in the UK model and perhaps that blend of English Management and Global talent sourcing will be where the Pozzo's settle. In the interim we can expect to see strong technical coaches with little "star appeal" who hopefully allow the team to do the talking for them. Time will tell whether this Head Coach model will succeed in the UK or whether a hybrid will be the best result but if you look at Wigan, Southampton, Swansea and yes even Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool under Brenda - this is a recipe that is getting results. Meanwhile the old school structures and managers seem increasingly to be turning into dinosaurs, hired by old-school owners and teams that unless they are bankrolled heavily are slipping into relative obscurity. Think, Coventry, Charlton, Portsmouth, Derby, Leicester, both Sheffield teams, Leeds etc. sgevans

4:20pm Thu 19 Dec 13

demerit says...

Singhorn72 wrote:
He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns!
A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March.
[quote][p][bold]Singhorn72[/bold] wrote: He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns![/p][/quote]A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March. demerit

4:24pm Thu 19 Dec 13

jasonwatford says...

As per my comments under the article Watford confirm the appointment of Giuseppe Sannino as head coach , I made that comment at 12.07pm. Now let's get behind the new guys
As per my comments under the article Watford confirm the appointment of Giuseppe Sannino as head coach , I made that comment at 12.07pm. Now let's get behind the new guys jasonwatford

4:28pm Thu 19 Dec 13

HornetJJ says...

Excellent article that!
Excellent article that! HornetJJ

4:28pm Thu 19 Dec 13

grahamtaylorismydad says...

Very interesting, feel a little bit more informed now, looking forward to a fresh start with our promising squad of players
Very interesting, feel a little bit more informed now, looking forward to a fresh start with our promising squad of players grahamtaylorismydad

4:33pm Thu 19 Dec 13

a1derek says...

Excellent article.
Excellent article. a1derek

4:35pm Thu 19 Dec 13

mellow yellow says...

demerit wrote:
Singhorn72 wrote:
He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns!
A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March.
So that means you will wait 11 weeks before making any hasty observations then, demerit. Time will tell on that, too!
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singhorn72[/bold] wrote: He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns![/p][/quote]A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March.[/p][/quote]So that means you will wait 11 weeks before making any hasty observations then, demerit. Time will tell on that, too! mellow yellow

4:50pm Thu 19 Dec 13

soulfulhornet says...

Brilliant piece by Frank Smith. I recall Duxbury stating that the structure and the coaching in the Pozzo model is independent of the identity of the head coach, so that if the head coach or any other coach leaves, the structure is still in tact. Sannino amy just be a stop gap.

Tactics and organization were never GFZ's strongest points - his 'we'll score 4 if you score 3' attitude was brilliant to watch, but if you hit the run of form we have had then you need other attributes too.

So the additions to the coaching staff - all of them - will add different strengths to the team, whilst the role of head coach is less important.

It will be interesting if this approach which works in Udinese and Granada will work in the Championship. I don't think this coaching set up will tolerate lack of discipline (in any form) from the players. That picture of the five scares the willies out of me from here.

As far as being Udinese B, the Pozzos are savvy businessman with a 25 year plan and vision for WFC. From a purely business perspective, getting us into the Premier League, is worth much more financially than Udinese reaching a Europa League place. I think we are still in safe hands.

Looks like GFZ was a figurehead to get everyone on board and the success last season was unexpected. All of the other elements - getting the finances right, league sanctions, Bassini's hangover, the ground, facilities, sponsorship etc appear part of a longer plan and getting us on a sustainable footing. When FFP comes in, watch the likes of Forest, Leicester or QPR struggle if they do not get promoted and not of all them will.
Brilliant piece by Frank Smith. I recall Duxbury stating that the structure and the coaching in the Pozzo model is independent of the identity of the head coach, so that if the head coach or any other coach leaves, the structure is still in tact. Sannino amy just be a stop gap. Tactics and organization were never GFZ's strongest points - his 'we'll score 4 if you score 3' attitude was brilliant to watch, but if you hit the run of form we have had then you need other attributes too. So the additions to the coaching staff - all of them - will add different strengths to the team, whilst the role of head coach is less important. It will be interesting if this approach which works in Udinese and Granada will work in the Championship. I don't think this coaching set up will tolerate lack of discipline (in any form) from the players. That picture of the five scares the willies out of me from here. As far as being Udinese B, the Pozzos are savvy businessman with a 25 year plan and vision for WFC. From a purely business perspective, getting us into the Premier League, is worth much more financially than Udinese reaching a Europa League place. I think we are still in safe hands. Looks like GFZ was a figurehead to get everyone on board and the success last season was unexpected. All of the other elements - getting the finances right, league sanctions, Bassini's hangover, the ground, facilities, sponsorship etc appear part of a longer plan and getting us on a sustainable footing. When FFP comes in, watch the likes of Forest, Leicester or QPR struggle if they do not get promoted and not of all them will. soulfulhornet

4:54pm Thu 19 Dec 13

matey_from_brighton says...

not a regular wrote:
Good objective piece Frank.

Unfortunately you referred to Adrian Durham as a "radio show presenter".
smirk!
[quote][p][bold]not a regular[/bold] wrote: Good objective piece Frank. Unfortunately you referred to Adrian Durham as a "radio show presenter".[/p][/quote]smirk! matey_from_brighton

4:55pm Thu 19 Dec 13

ALDERHOLT DORSET HORN says...

For some strange reason I seem to have a little faith in the people who have the purse strings of MY club.. Whilst they are not from Watford - they seem to have a big love of the game, and ok it is an experiment for them, I feel safer more so than say a Chelski or Man **** supporter in knowing our owners are grass roots football people than money people. Funny old game --- COYH
For some strange reason I seem to have a little faith in the people who have the purse strings of MY club.. Whilst they are not from Watford - they seem to have a big love of the game, and ok it is an experiment for them, I feel safer more so than say a Chelski or Man **** supporter in knowing our owners are grass roots football people than money people. Funny old game --- COYH ALDERHOLT DORSET HORN

4:59pm Thu 19 Dec 13

andyhooked says...

As before, looks like Abdi will be the interpreter and being Swiss he speaks languages well, including italian and good english and french, for our Algerian player. Not happy with the choice of the new coaching team as they know nowt about the Championship. Perhaps some players will now step up their game and we have less falling over and more true grit that is needed in this league. Wishing WFC all the best as I have been watching them since 1968 and continue to do so.
As before, looks like Abdi will be the interpreter and being Swiss he speaks languages well, including italian and good english and french, for our Algerian player. Not happy with the choice of the new coaching team as they know nowt about the Championship. Perhaps some players will now step up their game and we have less falling over and more true grit that is needed in this league. Wishing WFC all the best as I have been watching them since 1968 and continue to do so. andyhooked

5:03pm Thu 19 Dec 13

watford4ever says...

A good informative piece of journalism. Time will tell on the wisdom of the decision but I agree with the comments that Watford are different from other Championship Clubs both in terms of ownership and squad, this justifies for me a different approach. One thing for sure it is going to keep us all fully engaged with our great club.
Also please let us all judge Zola over his total time as manager not the last two months. He has taken us places we could not dream of 18 months ago, passing, skilful football, some of the most exciting, entertaining games we have seen for years, 3rd place in the league and a play off final, not bad in my book!
Finally let's judge the Pozzo's over 4-5 years, on the team, style of play, results, facilities at Vicarage Road including the new stand, engagement with the fans and then decide. This was never going to be a quick fix and I have not seen anything to show me they have not got the same interest and ambition in Watford as we do, the fans.
A good informative piece of journalism. Time will tell on the wisdom of the decision but I agree with the comments that Watford are different from other Championship Clubs both in terms of ownership and squad, this justifies for me a different approach. One thing for sure it is going to keep us all fully engaged with our great club. Also please let us all judge Zola over his total time as manager not the last two months. He has taken us places we could not dream of 18 months ago, passing, skilful football, some of the most exciting, entertaining games we have seen for years, 3rd place in the league and a play off final, not bad in my book! Finally let's judge the Pozzo's over 4-5 years, on the team, style of play, results, facilities at Vicarage Road including the new stand, engagement with the fans and then decide. This was never going to be a quick fix and I have not seen anything to show me they have not got the same interest and ambition in Watford as we do, the fans. watford4ever

5:09pm Thu 19 Dec 13

ramage1996 says...

Great piece Frank, the positive vibe about this appointment running through your piece reflects my thoughts, after I did a bit of looking up on the net about this Sannino chap I think it looks he looks a very good choice.

I thought you were a bit of a muppet after your rubbish article about Watford fans when we played Charlton a few years back but you have redeemed yourself in my eyes.
Great piece Frank, the positive vibe about this appointment running through your piece reflects my thoughts, after I did a bit of looking up on the net about this Sannino chap I think it looks he looks a very good choice. I thought you were a bit of a muppet after your rubbish article about Watford fans when we played Charlton a few years back but you have redeemed yourself in my eyes. ramage1996

5:16pm Thu 19 Dec 13

demerit says...

mellow yellow wrote:
demerit wrote:
Singhorn72 wrote:
He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns!
A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March.
So that means you will wait 11 weeks before making any hasty observations then, demerit. Time will tell on that, too!
I never make any hasty observations. They are always very clearly thought through and rational as has been proven.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singhorn72[/bold] wrote: He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns![/p][/quote]A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March.[/p][/quote]So that means you will wait 11 weeks before making any hasty observations then, demerit. Time will tell on that, too![/p][/quote]I never make any hasty observations. They are always very clearly thought through and rational as has been proven. demerit

5:17pm Thu 19 Dec 13

soulfulhornet says...

watford4ever wrote:
A good informative piece of journalism. Time will tell on the wisdom of the decision but I agree with the comments that Watford are different from other Championship Clubs both in terms of ownership and squad, this justifies for me a different approach. One thing for sure it is going to keep us all fully engaged with our great club. Also please let us all judge Zola over his total time as manager not the last two months. He has taken us places we could not dream of 18 months ago, passing, skilful football, some of the most exciting, entertaining games we have seen for years, 3rd place in the league and a play off final, not bad in my book! Finally let's judge the Pozzo's over 4-5 years, on the team, style of play, results, facilities at Vicarage Road including the new stand, engagement with the fans and then decide. This was never going to be a quick fix and I have not seen anything to show me they have not got the same interest and ambition in Watford as we do, the fans.
Agree can't judge a 25 year plan after just 18 months. 4-5 years seems a reasonable timescale to draw sensible conclusions. At least it won't be dull!

And GFZ should be judged by the beautiful game of last season more than the last 2 months. Plus his integrity and character that reflects that of the club
[quote][p][bold]watford4ever[/bold] wrote: A good informative piece of journalism. Time will tell on the wisdom of the decision but I agree with the comments that Watford are different from other Championship Clubs both in terms of ownership and squad, this justifies for me a different approach. One thing for sure it is going to keep us all fully engaged with our great club. Also please let us all judge Zola over his total time as manager not the last two months. He has taken us places we could not dream of 18 months ago, passing, skilful football, some of the most exciting, entertaining games we have seen for years, 3rd place in the league and a play off final, not bad in my book! Finally let's judge the Pozzo's over 4-5 years, on the team, style of play, results, facilities at Vicarage Road including the new stand, engagement with the fans and then decide. This was never going to be a quick fix and I have not seen anything to show me they have not got the same interest and ambition in Watford as we do, the fans.[/p][/quote]Agree can't judge a 25 year plan after just 18 months. 4-5 years seems a reasonable timescale to draw sensible conclusions. At least it won't be dull! And GFZ should be judged by the beautiful game of last season more than the last 2 months. Plus his integrity and character that reflects that of the club soulfulhornet

5:27pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

A superb, fact-based insight into our new head coach. His overall record is good and not as the initial glance may have seemed. I am still curious about the chap and am looking forward to seeing how Watford evolves.

He does look like a slighter older, tanned Gavin Mahon I say.

HC
A superb, fact-based insight into our new head coach. His overall record is good and not as the initial glance may have seemed. I am still curious about the chap and am looking forward to seeing how Watford evolves. He does look like a slighter older, tanned Gavin Mahon I say. HC Hornet Cornet

5:28pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Nick El Greco says...

Good article Frank. I am more fired up now than i have been for a some time. My only previous concern with out new man was that he might be all substance at the total dereliction of style but you've reassured me on that. I hope he can get some of our lads to produce on the promise that they've shown - particularly Fabbrini who he managed at Palermo
Good article Frank. I am more fired up now than i have been for a some time. My only previous concern with out new man was that he might be all substance at the total dereliction of style but you've reassured me on that. I hope he can get some of our lads to produce on the promise that they've shown - particularly Fabbrini who he managed at Palermo Nick El Greco

5:45pm Thu 19 Dec 13

miked2006 says...

It matters less that he doesn't understand the Championship, if he is clever and tactical with opposition teams. Clearly he will see their strengths and weaknesses, and exploit them. The Championship has a high combative tempo, it is up to the manager to factor this in alongside his tactics.

To me, language aside, he seems like a great acquisition.
It matters less that he doesn't understand the Championship, if he is clever and tactical with opposition teams. Clearly he will see their strengths and weaknesses, and exploit them. The Championship has a high combative tempo, it is up to the manager to factor this in alongside his tactics. To me, language aside, he seems like a great acquisition. miked2006

5:51pm Thu 19 Dec 13

big_doris says...

Interesting that this article should release some criticisms of Zola's in-club methods. The intention is, presumably, to help us get over our grief at his departure. It also helps us understand better that there is a system in place in which the Head Coach is just a cog in the wheel - not what we're used to.

Zola was a brilliant front-man for the Pozzos when they took over because he was so nice. You couldn't help but love and respect him. It smoothed the arrival of the new regime.

Without Zola, it'll be interesting to see how the fans react to the Pozzo system in plain view. There's a strong risk that, without a loveable frontman that we took to our hearts, it will feel much less like 'our club'.

Interesting times ahead. I, for one, really want to see the system succeed. (Football's old model is broken.) But it's feeling further away than ever from being the club I grew up with.
Interesting that this article should release some criticisms of Zola's in-club methods. The intention is, presumably, to help us get over our grief at his departure. It also helps us understand better that there is a system in place in which the Head Coach is just a cog in the wheel - not what we're used to. Zola was a brilliant front-man for the Pozzos when they took over because he was so nice. You couldn't help but love and respect him. It smoothed the arrival of the new regime. Without Zola, it'll be interesting to see how the fans react to the Pozzo system in plain view. There's a strong risk that, without a loveable frontman that we took to our hearts, it will feel much less like 'our club'. Interesting times ahead. I, for one, really want to see the system succeed. (Football's old model is broken.) But it's feeling further away than ever from being the club I grew up with. big_doris

5:53pm Thu 19 Dec 13

SuperHorns says...

demerit wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
demerit wrote:
Singhorn72 wrote:
He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns!
A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March.
So that means you will wait 11 weeks before making any hasty observations then, demerit. Time will tell on that, too!
I never make any hasty observations. They are always very clearly thought through and rational as has been proven.
Well hopefully should be quiet on here until then.. But sadly I dont think that will be the case..
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singhorn72[/bold] wrote: He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns![/p][/quote]A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March.[/p][/quote]So that means you will wait 11 weeks before making any hasty observations then, demerit. Time will tell on that, too![/p][/quote]I never make any hasty observations. They are always very clearly thought through and rational as has been proven.[/p][/quote]Well hopefully should be quiet on here until then.. But sadly I dont think that will be the case.. SuperHorns

5:58pm Thu 19 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

Will be interesting to see if Toy gets benched for Saturday's game
Will be interesting to see if Toy gets benched for Saturday's game SAHornet

5:59pm Thu 19 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

.........or Troy even !
.........or Troy even ! SAHornet

6:12pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Grissom says...

The family Pozzo made their money from tools, especially woodworking tools, so they would know that you have to have a certain patience, as it takes time for acorns to become oak trees, before you can use the tools on the wood to make furniture etcetera! Also rolleroasters have their ups and downs, but they always turn a corner, so it is a shame the Zola-coaster came off the rails before he was allowed to turn a corner.
The family Pozzo made their money from tools, especially woodworking tools, so they would know that you have to have a certain patience, as it takes time for acorns to become oak trees, before you can use the tools on the wood to make furniture etcetera! Also rolleroasters have their ups and downs, but they always turn a corner, so it is a shame the Zola-coaster came off the rails before he was allowed to turn a corner. Grissom

6:13pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Oracledave says...

andyhooked wrote:
As before, looks like Abdi will be the interpreter and being Swiss he speaks languages well, including italian and good english and french, for our Algerian player. Not happy with the choice of the new coaching team as they know nowt about the Championship. Perhaps some players will now step up their game and we have less falling over and more true grit that is needed in this league. Wishing WFC all the best as I have been watching them since 1968 and continue to do so.
Pochettino had no experience of the Prem and does not speak any English.
Anyone checked the Prem league table recently ?
[quote][p][bold]andyhooked[/bold] wrote: As before, looks like Abdi will be the interpreter and being Swiss he speaks languages well, including italian and good english and french, for our Algerian player. Not happy with the choice of the new coaching team as they know nowt about the Championship. Perhaps some players will now step up their game and we have less falling over and more true grit that is needed in this league. Wishing WFC all the best as I have been watching them since 1968 and continue to do so.[/p][/quote]Pochettino had no experience of the Prem and does not speak any English. Anyone checked the Prem league table recently ? Oracledave

6:14pm Thu 19 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

not a regular wrote:
Good objective piece Frank.

Unfortunately you referred to Adrian Durham as a "radio show presenter".
Yes when everyone knows he made his name as a fish finger packer in a well known company, it was all down hill after that! He now slums it on talk sport, which if I was a dictator, benevolent though, I would ban all Watford fans from listening to.
[quote][p][bold]not a regular[/bold] wrote: Good objective piece Frank. Unfortunately you referred to Adrian Durham as a "radio show presenter".[/p][/quote]Yes when everyone knows he made his name as a fish finger packer in a well known company, it was all down hill after that! He now slums it on talk sport, which if I was a dictator, benevolent though, I would ban all Watford fans from listening to. rogeruk

6:29pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Bush Hornet says...

rogeruk wrote:
not a regular wrote:
Good objective piece Frank.

Unfortunately you referred to Adrian Durham as a "radio show presenter".
Yes when everyone knows he made his name as a fish finger packer in a well known company, it was all down hill after that! He now slums it on talk sport, which if I was a dictator, benevolent though, I would ban all Watford fans from listening to.
Can't see you dreaming of being a dictator Roger
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]not a regular[/bold] wrote: Good objective piece Frank. Unfortunately you referred to Adrian Durham as a "radio show presenter".[/p][/quote]Yes when everyone knows he made his name as a fish finger packer in a well known company, it was all down hill after that! He now slums it on talk sport, which if I was a dictator, benevolent though, I would ban all Watford fans from listening to.[/p][/quote]Can't see you dreaming of being a dictator Roger Bush Hornet

6:31pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Bush Hornet says...

SAHornet wrote:
.........or Troy even !
Haha we'll see how he toys with Troy
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: .........or Troy even ![/p][/quote]Haha we'll see how he toys with Troy Bush Hornet

6:35pm Thu 19 Dec 13

ramage1996 says...

Oracledave wrote:
andyhooked wrote:
As before, looks like Abdi will be the interpreter and being Swiss he speaks languages well, including italian and good english and french, for our Algerian player. Not happy with the choice of the new coaching team as they know nowt about the Championship. Perhaps some players will now step up their game and we have less falling over and more true grit that is needed in this league. Wishing WFC all the best as I have been watching them since 1968 and continue to do so.
Pochettino had no experience of the Prem and does not speak any English.
Anyone checked the Prem league table recently ?
BOOM!

Exactly Oracledave.

In your short message you have destroyed all the arguments of those posting rubbish negative long posts.
[quote][p][bold]Oracledave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyhooked[/bold] wrote: As before, looks like Abdi will be the interpreter and being Swiss he speaks languages well, including italian and good english and french, for our Algerian player. Not happy with the choice of the new coaching team as they know nowt about the Championship. Perhaps some players will now step up their game and we have less falling over and more true grit that is needed in this league. Wishing WFC all the best as I have been watching them since 1968 and continue to do so.[/p][/quote]Pochettino had no experience of the Prem and does not speak any English. Anyone checked the Prem league table recently ?[/p][/quote]BOOM! Exactly Oracledave. In your short message you have destroyed all the arguments of those posting rubbish negative long posts. ramage1996

6:36pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Bush Hornet says...

Grissom wrote:
The family Pozzo made their money from tools, especially woodworking tools, so they would know that you have to have a certain patience, as it takes time for acorns to become oak trees, before you can use the tools on the wood to make furniture etcetera! Also rolleroasters have their ups and downs, but they always turn a corner, so it is a shame the Zola-coaster came off the rails before he was allowed to turn a corner.
Nice parallels drawn here. Let's see. There aren't many tools in Watford. But if they find any, (perhaps lurking around as keyboard warriors and WUMs), the Pozzos can turn them.

Ps great article Frank
[quote][p][bold]Grissom[/bold] wrote: The family Pozzo made their money from tools, especially woodworking tools, so they would know that you have to have a certain patience, as it takes time for acorns to become oak trees, before you can use the tools on the wood to make furniture etcetera! Also rolleroasters have their ups and downs, but they always turn a corner, so it is a shame the Zola-coaster came off the rails before he was allowed to turn a corner.[/p][/quote]Nice parallels drawn here. Let's see. There aren't many tools in Watford. But if they find any, (perhaps lurking around as keyboard warriors and WUMs), the Pozzos can turn them. Ps great article Frank Bush Hornet

6:54pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Bush Hornet says...

demerit wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
demerit wrote:
Singhorn72 wrote:
He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns!
A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March.
So that means you will wait 11 weeks before making any hasty observations then, demerit. Time will tell on that, too!
I never make any hasty observations. They are always very clearly thought through and rational as has been proven.
Nothing irrational about your posts at all. Thank you for your overwhelming positivity. Have a good time, between now and March, making a long and considered judgement on the new guy. If you do find it tricky, having a break from here and abstaining from making crass comments, and others shoot you down, please know that they do so for your own good. Bless you demerit, you were a good defender in your time, you crazy yank.
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singhorn72[/bold] wrote: He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns![/p][/quote]A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March.[/p][/quote]So that means you will wait 11 weeks before making any hasty observations then, demerit. Time will tell on that, too![/p][/quote]I never make any hasty observations. They are always very clearly thought through and rational as has been proven.[/p][/quote]Nothing irrational about your posts at all. Thank you for your overwhelming positivity. Have a good time, between now and March, making a long and considered judgement on the new guy. If you do find it tricky, having a break from here and abstaining from making crass comments, and others shoot you down, please know that they do so for your own good. Bless you demerit, you were a good defender in your time, you crazy yank. Bush Hornet

7:10pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Guy Bov says...

What is interesting in all this is Zola's lack of time on the training pitch which explains the defensive frailties

I am hoping with a bit more attention to detail we can tighten up ans stop shipping goals and our class come through further up the pitch.

Shows too Gino Pozzo pulling the strings on football matters
What is interesting in all this is Zola's lack of time on the training pitch which explains the defensive frailties I am hoping with a bit more attention to detail we can tighten up ans stop shipping goals and our class come through further up the pitch. Shows too Gino Pozzo pulling the strings on football matters Guy Bov

7:12pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Emmer Green Hornet says...

endean2 wrote:
so this could hardly be called an appointment without risk to put it mildly.
I am normally a cup half full man a but after reading that article.............


I am more concerned than ever.
Interesting times ahead certainly

coyh
How you come to this conclusion is beyond me (and obviously the 42 people that thumbed you down).

CHEER UP!!!
[quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: so this could hardly be called an appointment without risk to put it mildly. I am normally a cup half full man a but after reading that article............. I am more concerned than ever. Interesting times ahead certainly coyh[/p][/quote]How you come to this conclusion is beyond me (and obviously the 42 people that thumbed you down). CHEER UP!!! Emmer Green Hornet

7:24pm Thu 19 Dec 13

tjohn says...

thank god for a journalist who will do some research. Well done. I've been desperate for news. Onwards and upwards.
thank god for a journalist who will do some research. Well done. I've been desperate for news. Onwards and upwards. tjohn

7:41pm Thu 19 Dec 13

andyrankin says...

fantastic article.
fantastic article. andyrankin

7:59pm Thu 19 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

Guy Bov wrote:
What is interesting in all this is Zola's lack of time on the training pitch which explains the defensive frailties

I am hoping with a bit more attention to detail we can tighten up ans stop shipping goals and our class come through further up the pitch.

Shows too Gino Pozzo pulling the strings on football matters
I think that the article actually says the opposite Guy. It infers that GZ did indeed spend time out on the training pitch but NOT much time in the class room, working on tactics. I too share your hope that our defence can be made more robust though.
[quote][p][bold]Guy Bov[/bold] wrote: What is interesting in all this is Zola's lack of time on the training pitch which explains the defensive frailties I am hoping with a bit more attention to detail we can tighten up ans stop shipping goals and our class come through further up the pitch. Shows too Gino Pozzo pulling the strings on football matters[/p][/quote]I think that the article actually says the opposite Guy. It infers that GZ did indeed spend time out on the training pitch but NOT much time in the class room, working on tactics. I too share your hope that our defence can be made more robust though. SAHornet

8:12pm Thu 19 Dec 13

1234566789 says...

Guy Bov wrote:
What is interesting in all this is Zola's lack of time on the training pitch which explains the defensive frailties

I am hoping with a bit more attention to detail we can tighten up ans stop shipping goals and our class come through further up the pitch.

Shows too Gino Pozzo pulling the strings on football matters
Nothing says he didn't spend time on the training pitch. In fact, it suggests the exact opposite - that he spent lots of time there and not so much in a meeting room

I can't say I am overly excited about the appointment but I am not anywhere near fearful either. From what I have seen so far I have faith in the Pozzos and fully expect them to have made a decision they think will most benefit the club in the long run. Hopefully they will be proven right and I will certainly continue to support them!
[quote][p][bold]Guy Bov[/bold] wrote: What is interesting in all this is Zola's lack of time on the training pitch which explains the defensive frailties I am hoping with a bit more attention to detail we can tighten up ans stop shipping goals and our class come through further up the pitch. Shows too Gino Pozzo pulling the strings on football matters[/p][/quote]Nothing says he didn't spend time on the training pitch. In fact, it suggests the exact opposite - that he spent lots of time there and not so much in a meeting room I can't say I am overly excited about the appointment but I am not anywhere near fearful either. From what I have seen so far I have faith in the Pozzos and fully expect them to have made a decision they think will most benefit the club in the long run. Hopefully they will be proven right and I will certainly continue to support them! 1234566789

8:12pm Thu 19 Dec 13

DuffmanWFC says...

We must of dropped 30+ points from Zola's reign from poor defensive lapses or from not closing games out so hopefully our new gaffa win sort this and then we can move back up the table!
I loved Zola but with constant rotating, not addressing the signing of an additional 20+ goalscorer, overloading our midfield and with failing to deal with our lapses at the back it was only a mater of time before he was gone.
We must of dropped 30+ points from Zola's reign from poor defensive lapses or from not closing games out so hopefully our new gaffa win sort this and then we can move back up the table! I loved Zola but with constant rotating, not addressing the signing of an additional 20+ goalscorer, overloading our midfield and with failing to deal with our lapses at the back it was only a mater of time before he was gone. DuffmanWFC

8:17pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Bonser Out says...

Very good article. Interesting to read that in one day the new coaching staff have covered more tactics than the previous occupants did in two weeks.

I agree that the 'old model' of football club ownership is dead. Look at Southampton, for example. Nearly all of the football 'experts' were very critical of the fact that they had sacked an English manager and replaced him with one who had no EPL experience and could not speak the language.
Recently, Southampton were hailed as a model club and an example to all.
I'm not saying it will be, but it could be us in a few years.

Hopefully, we will stuff the Tractor Boys now...
Very good article. Interesting to read that in one day the new coaching staff have covered more tactics than the previous occupants did in two weeks. I agree that the 'old model' of football club ownership is dead. Look at Southampton, for example. Nearly all of the football 'experts' were very critical of the fact that they had sacked an English manager and replaced him with one who had no EPL experience and could not speak the language. Recently, Southampton were hailed as a model club and an example to all. I'm not saying it will be, but it could be us in a few years. Hopefully, we will stuff the Tractor Boys now... Bonser Out

8:18pm Thu 19 Dec 13

mickallen57 says...

Like all the rest I enjoyed that article, it was very informative about the structure of the club. We are in it for the long haul. It was interesting that Sannino was contacted two weeks before Zola left . These guys ( the Pozzos') don't muck about and if it ain't right then it will be sorted .
I must admit to being under whelmed by the appointment but this article has settled my nerves , for the match on Saturday. And dare I say the King is dead long live the King. COYH The Prem awaits
Like all the rest I enjoyed that article, it was very informative about the structure of the club. We are in it for the long haul. It was interesting that Sannino was contacted two weeks before Zola left . These guys ( the Pozzos') don't muck about and if it ain't right then it will be sorted . I must admit to being under whelmed by the appointment but this article has settled my nerves , for the match on Saturday. And dare I say the King is dead long live the King. COYH The Prem awaits mickallen57

8:21pm Thu 19 Dec 13

mellow yellow says...

rogeruk wrote:
not a regular wrote:
Good objective piece Frank.

Unfortunately you referred to Adrian Durham as a "radio show presenter".
Yes when everyone knows he made his name as a fish finger packer in a well known company, it was all down hill after that! He now slums it on talk sport, which if I was a dictator, benevolent though, I would ban all Watford fans from listening to.
You've actually posted something I not only agree with, but is informative vis a vis the fish fingers.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]not a regular[/bold] wrote: Good objective piece Frank. Unfortunately you referred to Adrian Durham as a "radio show presenter".[/p][/quote]Yes when everyone knows he made his name as a fish finger packer in a well known company, it was all down hill after that! He now slums it on talk sport, which if I was a dictator, benevolent though, I would ban all Watford fans from listening to.[/p][/quote]You've actually posted something I not only agree with, but is informative vis a vis the fish fingers. mellow yellow

8:23pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Dino1982 says...

Excellent piece of writing.

Sounds like new boss will be a real pro.

Lets hope the players react well. The ones that have had it too good won't like it.
Maybe they can go.

Forza Watford!!!
Excellent piece of writing. Sounds like new boss will be a real pro. Lets hope the players react well. The ones that have had it too good won't like it. Maybe they can go. Forza Watford!!! Dino1982

8:37pm Thu 19 Dec 13

1234566789 says...

DuffmanWFC wrote:
We must of dropped 30+ points from Zola's reign from poor defensive lapses or from not closing games out so hopefully our new gaffa win sort this and then we can move back up the table!
I loved Zola but with constant rotating, not addressing the signing of an additional 20+ goalscorer, overloading our midfield and with failing to deal with our lapses at the back it was only a mater of time before he was gone.
Not sure a defensive lapse can be put down to the manager. Closing out games,yes. Also, Zola wasn't in charge of player recruitment so not sure he can be blamed for 'overloading the midfield' or 'not addressing the signing of a 20+ goalscorer'. Even if he was, who would you have wanted that is guaranteed to score 20+ per season but fits into our budgets? If you remember, Zola was desperate to have Vydra back until he signed for West Brom. Other than that, Austin and Rhodes are the only two guy who are banging them in that you would have put money on getting 20 per season and there is no way we could have afforded either of them!
[quote][p][bold]DuffmanWFC[/bold] wrote: We must of dropped 30+ points from Zola's reign from poor defensive lapses or from not closing games out so hopefully our new gaffa win sort this and then we can move back up the table! I loved Zola but with constant rotating, not addressing the signing of an additional 20+ goalscorer, overloading our midfield and with failing to deal with our lapses at the back it was only a mater of time before he was gone.[/p][/quote]Not sure a defensive lapse can be put down to the manager. Closing out games,yes. Also, Zola wasn't in charge of player recruitment so not sure he can be blamed for 'overloading the midfield' or 'not addressing the signing of a 20+ goalscorer'. Even if he was, who would you have wanted that is guaranteed to score 20+ per season but fits into our budgets? If you remember, Zola was desperate to have Vydra back until he signed for West Brom. Other than that, Austin and Rhodes are the only two guy who are banging them in that you would have put money on getting 20 per season and there is no way we could have afforded either of them! 1234566789

8:42pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Dunderdale Pinner says...

Good article , well thought out and presented. It explains why GFZ was so reticent to give replies to the questions he was asked regarding his coaching staff at the Fans Forum. In the past Italian teams, if they went one goal up, it was shut the door, game over. Perhaps the new approach of Sr. Sannino can give will give some steel and cohesion to our defensive line. I expent the phrase " he does not speak English" means he speaks it a lot better than I do Italian, and can make himself understood. In any case football has its own international language. So should be no problem to communmacate his ideas to the players. So welcome to Watford Sr, Sannino and your assistants and we can hopefully look forward winning ways again. Happy Christmas everyone.
Good article , well thought out and presented. It explains why GFZ was so reticent to give replies to the questions he was asked regarding his coaching staff at the Fans Forum. In the past Italian teams, if they went one goal up, it was shut the door, game over. Perhaps the new approach of Sr. Sannino can give will give some steel and cohesion to our defensive line. I expent the phrase " he does not speak English" means he speaks it a lot better than I do Italian, and can make himself understood. In any case football has its own international language. So should be no problem to communmacate his ideas to the players. So welcome to Watford Sr, Sannino and your assistants and we can hopefully look forward winning ways again. Happy Christmas everyone. Dunderdale Pinner

9:22pm Thu 19 Dec 13

There was only one Scully says...

I cannot believe what I am reading on here from so called ten bob, 10 minute fans.
This in my opinion is the 2nd/3rd biggest mistake WFC have made appointing a coach, manager what ever who and I stress who has no real credit on his CV to suggest he is any better than GFZ.
His a failure and I cannot believe so many have been sucked in but then I can, happy clappers, do gooders who would support anyone that the family appoint.
A long winter of discontent beckons and come late spring he be gone and we be fighting relegation!
Bring back Mackay!
I cannot believe what I am reading on here from so called ten bob, 10 minute fans. This in my opinion is the 2nd/3rd biggest mistake WFC have made appointing a coach, manager what ever who and I stress who has no real credit on his CV to suggest he is any better than GFZ. His a failure and I cannot believe so many have been sucked in but then I can, happy clappers, do gooders who would support anyone that the family appoint. A long winter of discontent beckons and come late spring he be gone and we be fighting relegation! Bring back Mackay! There was only one Scully

9:32pm Thu 19 Dec 13

akureyri says...

Interesting these comments of no Championship experience are I cannot see it as limiting. Look what Aidy boothroyd achieved in his first season and a little, saved us from relegation and then promotion. Sean Dyche got us to a very high position with no resources and Laurence Bassini to cope with. Brendan Rodgers and Malkey Mackay had us playing reasonable enough football too. And the common factor none of them had experience of management, let alone the Championship, before Watford gave them a chance.
The way results have been in the last weeks to avoid relegation would be a good outcome but I hope for more.
Interesting these comments of no Championship experience are I cannot see it as limiting. Look what Aidy boothroyd achieved in his first season and a little, saved us from relegation and then promotion. Sean Dyche got us to a very high position with no resources and Laurence Bassini to cope with. Brendan Rodgers and Malkey Mackay had us playing reasonable enough football too. And the common factor none of them had experience of management, let alone the Championship, before Watford gave them a chance. The way results have been in the last weeks to avoid relegation would be a good outcome but I hope for more. akureyri

11:17pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Rosty'srocket says...

I assume they WILL know who we are allowed to play under the League rules come saturday . No more fines required !!
I assume they WILL know who we are allowed to play under the League rules come saturday . No more fines required !! Rosty'srocket

11:18pm Thu 19 Dec 13

bigmeuprudeboy says...

There was only one Scully wrote:
I cannot believe what I am reading on here from so called ten bob, 10 minute fans.
This in my opinion is the 2nd/3rd biggest mistake WFC have made appointing a coach, manager what ever who and I stress who has no real credit on his CV to suggest he is any better than GFZ.
His a failure and I cannot believe so many have been sucked in but then I can, happy clappers, do gooders who would support anyone that the family appoint.
A long winter of discontent beckons and come late spring he be gone and we be fighting relegation!
Bring back Mackay!
lol this post is very funny but then if I supported a club in the non leagues and my local rivals were club in the the Championship id be annoyed!

Good article by the way Frank x
[quote][p][bold]There was only one Scully[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe what I am reading on here from so called ten bob, 10 minute fans. This in my opinion is the 2nd/3rd biggest mistake WFC have made appointing a coach, manager what ever who and I stress who has no real credit on his CV to suggest he is any better than GFZ. His a failure and I cannot believe so many have been sucked in but then I can, happy clappers, do gooders who would support anyone that the family appoint. A long winter of discontent beckons and come late spring he be gone and we be fighting relegation! Bring back Mackay![/p][/quote]lol this post is very funny but then if I supported a club in the non leagues and my local rivals were club in the the Championship id be annoyed! Good article by the way Frank x bigmeuprudeboy

12:15am Fri 20 Dec 13

KeithMercer says...

Well said rudeboy ! At last we can agree on something , its a shame it has taken this for us to shake hands and move on but so be it COYHs.
Well said rudeboy ! At last we can agree on something , its a shame it has taken this for us to shake hands and move on but so be it COYHs. KeithMercer

2:34am Fri 20 Dec 13

Sydneyhornet says...

ALDERHOLT DORSET HORN wrote:
For some strange reason I seem to have a little faith in the people who have the purse strings of MY club.. Whilst they are not from Watford - they seem to have a big love of the game, and ok it is an experiment for them, I feel safer more so than say a Chelski or Man **** supporter in knowing our owners are grass roots football people than money people. Funny old game --- COYH
Alderholt Hornet, you make some valid points here. Churchill Arms is calling for a debrief soon!
[quote][p][bold]ALDERHOLT DORSET HORN[/bold] wrote: For some strange reason I seem to have a little faith in the people who have the purse strings of MY club.. Whilst they are not from Watford - they seem to have a big love of the game, and ok it is an experiment for them, I feel safer more so than say a Chelski or Man **** supporter in knowing our owners are grass roots football people than money people. Funny old game --- COYH[/p][/quote]Alderholt Hornet, you make some valid points here. Churchill Arms is calling for a debrief soon! Sydneyhornet

3:10am Fri 20 Dec 13

danholman says...

For all those who have read Soccernomics then the cog in the wheel reference makes perfect sense. As most people should (but don't) know, the manager of football clubs makes so little difference that it's the players who define success or failure. Transfer policy and wage policy is the key. I loved Zola but at the end of the day a manager is for 2-3 years whereas the general culture if the club, who is brought in (20-25 year olds) and for what salary determines success (upwards of 90% of league position is determined by player salaries over the long term). Give this guys a chance. Who cares if he has no Championship experience. That is bologne! A good team better than other teams will win 8-9/10 in any league.
For all those who have read Soccernomics then the cog in the wheel reference makes perfect sense. As most people should (but don't) know, the manager of football clubs makes so little difference that it's the players who define success or failure. Transfer policy and wage policy is the key. I loved Zola but at the end of the day a manager is for 2-3 years whereas the general culture if the club, who is brought in (20-25 year olds) and for what salary determines success (upwards of 90% of league position is determined by player salaries over the long term). Give this guys a chance. Who cares if he has no Championship experience. That is bologne! A good team better than other teams will win 8-9/10 in any league. danholman

4:25am Fri 20 Dec 13

Sydneyhornet says...

SAHornet wrote:
.........or Troy even !
He wont like having to train 5 days a week...
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: .........or Troy even ![/p][/quote]He wont like having to train 5 days a week... Sydneyhornet

4:32am Fri 20 Dec 13

Sydneyhornet says...

There was only one Scully wrote:
I cannot believe what I am reading on here from so called ten bob, 10 minute fans.
This in my opinion is the 2nd/3rd biggest mistake WFC have made appointing a coach, manager what ever who and I stress who has no real credit on his CV to suggest he is any better than GFZ.
His a failure and I cannot believe so many have been sucked in but then I can, happy clappers, do gooders who would support anyone that the family appoint.
A long winter of discontent beckons and come late spring he be gone and we be fighting relegation!
Bring back Mackay!
Have you looked at his track record?

Straight away his approach would appear to address the teams short comings?

I am going to love reminding you of your post, a post that was made while intoxicated I'm thinking by the beautifully structured prose.
[quote][p][bold]There was only one Scully[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe what I am reading on here from so called ten bob, 10 minute fans. This in my opinion is the 2nd/3rd biggest mistake WFC have made appointing a coach, manager what ever who and I stress who has no real credit on his CV to suggest he is any better than GFZ. His a failure and I cannot believe so many have been sucked in but then I can, happy clappers, do gooders who would support anyone that the family appoint. A long winter of discontent beckons and come late spring he be gone and we be fighting relegation! Bring back Mackay![/p][/quote]Have you looked at his track record? Straight away his approach would appear to address the teams short comings? I am going to love reminding you of your post, a post that was made while intoxicated I'm thinking by the beautifully structured prose. Sydneyhornet

5:47am Fri 20 Dec 13

Henry VIII says...

What a strange week for football. I was watching the Chelsea v Bayern final today and thinking how can it be that Di Matteo can win this and be sacked within months? Today Malky is faced with choices at Cardiff. I have been a fan of this game since I first learned to kick a ball properly, when I was about five. Back then there were no sponsors on shirts, no names on the back, kit changes were an average of every three to four years and any club news was a couple of paragraphs on your local paper. Now we have International sponsors that none of us can relate to on many occasions, names from all over the globe, three new kits for many clubs each August and we can follow tweets from individuals should we choose to do so. Times change, but one thing does not. My love, like yours of your club. It has been quite a week, but the more I read about the previous set up, the more it makes sense. I did say on a few posts that throughout this season something was not right. We were top six but without honestly playing a full decent 90 minutes. Something had to change and it has, and I genuinely believe it will be for the better. We need a real team, like the classic Forest era under Clough. no one superstar, just a cast of team driven, results driven players who give their all for the cause. Good luck on Saturday lads... and beyond. For some reason I do not feel afraid, I don't feel super enthusiastic either, just a sense of quiet, patient optimism. The Pozzo's are steadying the ship, one day at a time.
What a strange week for football. I was watching the Chelsea v Bayern final today and thinking how can it be that Di Matteo can win this and be sacked within months? Today Malky is faced with choices at Cardiff. I have been a fan of this game since I first learned to kick a ball properly, when I was about five. Back then there were no sponsors on shirts, no names on the back, kit changes were an average of every three to four years and any club news was a couple of paragraphs on your local paper. Now we have International sponsors that none of us can relate to on many occasions, names from all over the globe, three new kits for many clubs each August and we can follow tweets from individuals should we choose to do so. Times change, but one thing does not. My love, like yours of your club. It has been quite a week, but the more I read about the previous set up, the more it makes sense. I did say on a few posts that throughout this season something was not right. We were top six but without honestly playing a full decent 90 minutes. Something had to change and it has, and I genuinely believe it will be for the better. We need a real team, like the classic Forest era under Clough. no one superstar, just a cast of team driven, results driven players who give their all for the cause. Good luck on Saturday lads... and beyond. For some reason I do not feel afraid, I don't feel super enthusiastic either, just a sense of quiet, patient optimism. The Pozzo's are steadying the ship, one day at a time. Henry VIII

6:19am Fri 20 Dec 13

29April1975WasBottom says...

Calculated risk my bottom. A decision born of wanting to keep control, seeing who's available in the family to mind the shop and of short sight regarding what's needed to succeed in the "Second Division".
Calculated risk my bottom. A decision born of wanting to keep control, seeing who's available in the family to mind the shop and of short sight regarding what's needed to succeed in the "Second Division". 29April1975WasBottom

6:21am Fri 20 Dec 13

demerit says...

Bush Hornet wrote:
demerit wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
demerit wrote:
Singhorn72 wrote:
He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns!
A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March.
So that means you will wait 11 weeks before making any hasty observations then, demerit. Time will tell on that, too!
I never make any hasty observations. They are always very clearly thought through and rational as has been proven.
Nothing irrational about your posts at all. Thank you for your overwhelming positivity. Have a good time, between now and March, making a long and considered judgement on the new guy. If you do find it tricky, having a break from here and abstaining from making crass comments, and others shoot you down, please know that they do so for your own good. Bless you demerit, you were a good defender in your time, you crazy yank.
What the hell are you on about?

By the way, I am not American.
[quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singhorn72[/bold] wrote: He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns![/p][/quote]A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March.[/p][/quote]So that means you will wait 11 weeks before making any hasty observations then, demerit. Time will tell on that, too![/p][/quote]I never make any hasty observations. They are always very clearly thought through and rational as has been proven.[/p][/quote]Nothing irrational about your posts at all. Thank you for your overwhelming positivity. Have a good time, between now and March, making a long and considered judgement on the new guy. If you do find it tricky, having a break from here and abstaining from making crass comments, and others shoot you down, please know that they do so for your own good. Bless you demerit, you were a good defender in your time, you crazy yank.[/p][/quote]What the hell are you on about? By the way, I am not American. demerit

6:29am Fri 20 Dec 13

mellow yellow says...

demerit wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote:
demerit wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
demerit wrote:
Singhorn72 wrote:
He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns!
A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March.
So that means you will wait 11 weeks before making any hasty observations then, demerit. Time will tell on that, too!
I never make any hasty observations. They are always very clearly thought through and rational as has been proven.
Nothing irrational about your posts at all. Thank you for your overwhelming positivity. Have a good time, between now and March, making a long and considered judgement on the new guy. If you do find it tricky, having a break from here and abstaining from making crass comments, and others shoot you down, please know that they do so for your own good. Bless you demerit, you were a good defender in your time, you crazy yank.
What the hell are you on about?

By the way, I am not American.
I think you are mixing the point, demerit. Not for the first time, eh?
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singhorn72[/bold] wrote: He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns![/p][/quote]A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March.[/p][/quote]So that means you will wait 11 weeks before making any hasty observations then, demerit. Time will tell on that, too![/p][/quote]I never make any hasty observations. They are always very clearly thought through and rational as has been proven.[/p][/quote]Nothing irrational about your posts at all. Thank you for your overwhelming positivity. Have a good time, between now and March, making a long and considered judgement on the new guy. If you do find it tricky, having a break from here and abstaining from making crass comments, and others shoot you down, please know that they do so for your own good. Bless you demerit, you were a good defender in your time, you crazy yank.[/p][/quote]What the hell are you on about? By the way, I am not American.[/p][/quote]I think you are mixing the point, demerit. Not for the first time, eh? mellow yellow

6:29am Fri 20 Dec 13

mellow yellow says...

mellow yellow wrote:
demerit wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote:
demerit wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
demerit wrote:
Singhorn72 wrote:
He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns!
A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March.
So that means you will wait 11 weeks before making any hasty observations then, demerit. Time will tell on that, too!
I never make any hasty observations. They are always very clearly thought through and rational as has been proven.
Nothing irrational about your posts at all. Thank you for your overwhelming positivity. Have a good time, between now and March, making a long and considered judgement on the new guy. If you do find it tricky, having a break from here and abstaining from making crass comments, and others shoot you down, please know that they do so for your own good. Bless you demerit, you were a good defender in your time, you crazy yank.
What the hell are you on about?

By the way, I am not American.
I think you are mixing the point, demerit. Not for the first time, eh?
Missing, I mean
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singhorn72[/bold] wrote: He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns![/p][/quote]A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March.[/p][/quote]So that means you will wait 11 weeks before making any hasty observations then, demerit. Time will tell on that, too![/p][/quote]I never make any hasty observations. They are always very clearly thought through and rational as has been proven.[/p][/quote]Nothing irrational about your posts at all. Thank you for your overwhelming positivity. Have a good time, between now and March, making a long and considered judgement on the new guy. If you do find it tricky, having a break from here and abstaining from making crass comments, and others shoot you down, please know that they do so for your own good. Bless you demerit, you were a good defender in your time, you crazy yank.[/p][/quote]What the hell are you on about? By the way, I am not American.[/p][/quote]I think you are mixing the point, demerit. Not for the first time, eh?[/p][/quote]Missing, I mean mellow yellow

7:28am Fri 20 Dec 13

watford1881 says...

He will get my support & a chance to turn things around.. The players need to take their part of the responsibility to lift us up the league or at least stop the downwards spiral..All Watford fans get behind him & the team.. We are all in it together...
He will get my support & a chance to turn things around.. The players need to take their part of the responsibility to lift us up the league or at least stop the downwards spiral..All Watford fans get behind him & the team.. We are all in it together... watford1881

1:20pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Chris the Vic says...

Interesting article and an interestingreaction.


I wish him well and hope he succeeds.

Problem I see is he does not know the Championship as other possible appointments do.
He and his three coaches cannot speak English so how does the team and the team management communicate...the answer is with difficulty especially with 8/10 hours strategic planning where language and good communication is paramount.
Will any teams be willing to lend players like Chalobah/Stone etc to non english speaking management.
Time will tell but maybe Adrian Durham/ Alan Brazil etc have a point.

As for coaches being easily changed....it is disruptive to the players more so than the supporters a fact that has been glossed over and I suspect not liked by the players but hopefully the Pozzos will get it right.
Interesting article and an interestingreaction. I wish him well and hope he succeeds. Problem I see is he does not know the Championship as other possible appointments do. He and his three coaches cannot speak English so how does the team and the team management communicate...the answer is with difficulty especially with 8/10 hours strategic planning where language and good communication is paramount. Will any teams be willing to lend players like Chalobah/Stone etc to non english speaking management. Time will tell but maybe Adrian Durham/ Alan Brazil etc have a point. As for coaches being easily changed....it is disruptive to the players more so than the supporters a fact that has been glossed over and I suspect not liked by the players but hopefully the Pozzos will get it right. Chris the Vic

1:32pm Fri 20 Dec 13

bigmeuprudeboy says...

KeithMercer wrote:
Well said rudeboy ! At last we can agree on something , its a shame it has taken this for us to shake hands and move on but so be it COYHs.
A new era of peace and love has dawned for bigmeuprudeboy and KeithMercer!
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Well said rudeboy ! At last we can agree on something , its a shame it has taken this for us to shake hands and move on but so be it COYHs.[/p][/quote]A new era of peace and love has dawned for bigmeuprudeboy and KeithMercer! bigmeuprudeboy

2:13pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Harry's Bar says...

1234566789 wrote:
DuffmanWFC wrote:
We must of dropped 30+ points from Zola's reign from poor defensive lapses or from not closing games out so hopefully our new gaffa win sort this and then we can move back up the table!
I loved Zola but with constant rotating, not addressing the signing of an additional 20+ goalscorer, overloading our midfield and with failing to deal with our lapses at the back it was only a mater of time before he was gone.
Not sure a defensive lapse can be put down to the manager. Closing out games,yes. Also, Zola wasn't in charge of player recruitment so not sure he can be blamed for 'overloading the midfield' or 'not addressing the signing of a 20+ goalscorer'. Even if he was, who would you have wanted that is guaranteed to score 20+ per season but fits into our budgets? If you remember, Zola was desperate to have Vydra back until he signed for West Brom. Other than that, Austin and Rhodes are the only two guy who are banging them in that you would have put money on getting 20 per season and there is no way we could have afforded either of them!
Regarding the point about signing a replacement for Vydra I recall Duxbury's quote about player's not wanting to stay and finding as good, if not better. I thought at the time that sounded arrogant, especially with Nani in charge of recruitment.
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DuffmanWFC[/bold] wrote: We must of dropped 30+ points from Zola's reign from poor defensive lapses or from not closing games out so hopefully our new gaffa win sort this and then we can move back up the table! I loved Zola but with constant rotating, not addressing the signing of an additional 20+ goalscorer, overloading our midfield and with failing to deal with our lapses at the back it was only a mater of time before he was gone.[/p][/quote]Not sure a defensive lapse can be put down to the manager. Closing out games,yes. Also, Zola wasn't in charge of player recruitment so not sure he can be blamed for 'overloading the midfield' or 'not addressing the signing of a 20+ goalscorer'. Even if he was, who would you have wanted that is guaranteed to score 20+ per season but fits into our budgets? If you remember, Zola was desperate to have Vydra back until he signed for West Brom. Other than that, Austin and Rhodes are the only two guy who are banging them in that you would have put money on getting 20 per season and there is no way we could have afforded either of them![/p][/quote]Regarding the point about signing a replacement for Vydra I recall Duxbury's quote about player's not wanting to stay and finding as good, if not better. I thought at the time that sounded arrogant, especially with Nani in charge of recruitment. Harry's Bar

2:22pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Boosey says...

bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
KeithMercer wrote: Well said rudeboy ! At last we can agree on something , its a shame it has taken this for us to shake hands and move on but so be it COYHs.
A new era of peace and love has dawned for bigmeuprudeboy and KeithMercer!
I cannot believe the negativity of some posts and I would suggest some of those posts would agree in saying, that most overseas players are more tactically aware and have more techinical ability than our home grown players. Agreed? Yes.
Where and how do they become better than our players? Some are naturally gifted and most are taught by very good coaches.
These same players can and have adapted to the Champinship and likewise the Premiership and both are claimed to be the toughest leagues in Europe, why can't the coaches do likewise?
[quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Well said rudeboy ! At last we can agree on something , its a shame it has taken this for us to shake hands and move on but so be it COYHs.[/p][/quote]A new era of peace and love has dawned for bigmeuprudeboy and KeithMercer![/p][/quote]I cannot believe the negativity of some posts and I would suggest some of those posts would agree in saying, that most overseas players are more tactically aware and have more techinical ability than our home grown players. Agreed? Yes. Where and how do they become better than our players? Some are naturally gifted and most are taught by very good coaches. These same players can and have adapted to the Champinship and likewise the Premiership and both are claimed to be the toughest leagues in Europe, why can't the coaches do likewise? Boosey

4:33pm Fri 20 Dec 13

demerit says...

mellow yellow wrote:
demerit wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote:
demerit wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
demerit wrote:
Singhorn72 wrote:
He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns!
A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March.
So that means you will wait 11 weeks before making any hasty observations then, demerit. Time will tell on that, too!
I never make any hasty observations. They are always very clearly thought through and rational as has been proven.
Nothing irrational about your posts at all. Thank you for your overwhelming positivity. Have a good time, between now and March, making a long and considered judgement on the new guy. If you do find it tricky, having a break from here and abstaining from making crass comments, and others shoot you down, please know that they do so for your own good. Bless you demerit, you were a good defender in your time, you crazy yank.
What the hell are you on about?

By the way, I am not American.
I think you are mixing the point, demerit. Not for the first time, eh?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....
.....
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singhorn72[/bold] wrote: He doesn't look promising but I'm hoping he is a blessing in disguise. COY U Horns![/p][/quote]A heavy disguise by the sound of it. But, he hasn't even started yet and in football, as compared to other sectors, there seem to be a high proportion of unlikely success stories. The jury's out and so it should be until at least the beginning of March.[/p][/quote]So that means you will wait 11 weeks before making any hasty observations then, demerit. Time will tell on that, too![/p][/quote]I never make any hasty observations. They are always very clearly thought through and rational as has been proven.[/p][/quote]Nothing irrational about your posts at all. Thank you for your overwhelming positivity. Have a good time, between now and March, making a long and considered judgement on the new guy. If you do find it tricky, having a break from here and abstaining from making crass comments, and others shoot you down, please know that they do so for your own good. Bless you demerit, you were a good defender in your time, you crazy yank.[/p][/quote]What the hell are you on about? By the way, I am not American.[/p][/quote]I think you are mixing the point, demerit. Not for the first time, eh?[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... ..... demerit

8:52pm Fri 20 Dec 13

esercito giallo says...

Boosey wrote:
bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
KeithMercer wrote: Well said rudeboy ! At last we can agree on something , its a shame it has taken this for us to shake hands and move on but so be it COYHs.
A new era of peace and love has dawned for bigmeuprudeboy and KeithMercer!
I cannot believe the negativity of some posts and I would suggest some of those posts would agree in saying, that most overseas players are more tactically aware and have more techinical ability than our home grown players. Agreed? Yes.
Where and how do they become better than our players? Some are naturally gifted and most are taught by very good coaches.
These same players can and have adapted to the Champinship and likewise the Premiership and both are claimed to be the toughest leagues in Europe, why can't the coaches do likewise?
I am in total agreement. Personally I can envisage a total Italian team going forward. Then in the future no language barrier and Sannino can talk in his Mother tongue. We can play how these players have been brought up to play. We can "enjoy" defending like all good Italian players. We can also be tactically and technically better than alot of these lower league hoofers!
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Well said rudeboy ! At last we can agree on something , its a shame it has taken this for us to shake hands and move on but so be it COYHs.[/p][/quote]A new era of peace and love has dawned for bigmeuprudeboy and KeithMercer![/p][/quote]I cannot believe the negativity of some posts and I would suggest some of those posts would agree in saying, that most overseas players are more tactically aware and have more techinical ability than our home grown players. Agreed? Yes. Where and how do they become better than our players? Some are naturally gifted and most are taught by very good coaches. These same players can and have adapted to the Champinship and likewise the Premiership and both are claimed to be the toughest leagues in Europe, why can't the coaches do likewise?[/p][/quote]I am in total agreement. Personally I can envisage a total Italian team going forward. Then in the future no language barrier and Sannino can talk in his Mother tongue. We can play how these players have been brought up to play. We can "enjoy" defending like all good Italian players. We can also be tactically and technically better than alot of these lower league hoofers! esercito giallo

9:39pm Fri 20 Dec 13

There was only one Scully says...

Sydneyhornet wrote:
There was only one Scully wrote:
I cannot believe what I am reading on here from so called ten bob, 10 minute fans.
This in my opinion is the 2nd/3rd biggest mistake WFC have made appointing a coach, manager what ever who and I stress who has no real credit on his CV to suggest he is any better than GFZ.
His a failure and I cannot believe so many have been sucked in but then I can, happy clappers, do gooders who would support anyone that the family appoint.
A long winter of discontent beckons and come late spring he be gone and we be fighting relegation!
Bring back Mackay!
Have you looked at his track record?

Straight away his approach would appear to address the teams short comings?

I am going to love reminding you of your post, a post that was made while intoxicated I'm thinking by the beautifully structured prose.
Yes, intoxicated with deja vue and idiots like you who obviously cannot understand that failure as his CV reads is not always an ideal in my opinion.
I will be proven right come the end of this season but unlike your churlish comments, I will not remind you of your naivety!
[quote][p][bold]Sydneyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]There was only one Scully[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe what I am reading on here from so called ten bob, 10 minute fans. This in my opinion is the 2nd/3rd biggest mistake WFC have made appointing a coach, manager what ever who and I stress who has no real credit on his CV to suggest he is any better than GFZ. His a failure and I cannot believe so many have been sucked in but then I can, happy clappers, do gooders who would support anyone that the family appoint. A long winter of discontent beckons and come late spring he be gone and we be fighting relegation! Bring back Mackay![/p][/quote]Have you looked at his track record? Straight away his approach would appear to address the teams short comings? I am going to love reminding you of your post, a post that was made while intoxicated I'm thinking by the beautifully structured prose.[/p][/quote]Yes, intoxicated with deja vue and idiots like you who obviously cannot understand that failure as his CV reads is not always an ideal in my opinion. I will be proven right come the end of this season but unlike your churlish comments, I will not remind you of your naivety! There was only one Scully

12:03am Sat 21 Dec 13

watfordrick says...

danholman wrote:
For all those who have read Soccernomics then the cog in the wheel reference makes perfect sense. As most people should (but don't) know, the manager of football clubs makes so little difference that it's the players who define success or failure. Transfer policy and wage policy is the key. I loved Zola but at the end of the day a manager is for 2-3 years whereas the general culture if the club, who is brought in (20-25 year olds) and for what salary determines success (upwards of 90% of league position is determined by player salaries over the long term). Give this guys a chance. Who cares if he has no Championship experience. That is bologne! A good team better than other teams will win 8-9/10 in any league.
Whoosh where did this come from. This is actually a well informed and researched point in the Watford Observer comments and I love statistics. Salute you!
[quote][p][bold]danholman[/bold] wrote: For all those who have read Soccernomics then the cog in the wheel reference makes perfect sense. As most people should (but don't) know, the manager of football clubs makes so little difference that it's the players who define success or failure. Transfer policy and wage policy is the key. I loved Zola but at the end of the day a manager is for 2-3 years whereas the general culture if the club, who is brought in (20-25 year olds) and for what salary determines success (upwards of 90% of league position is determined by player salaries over the long term). Give this guys a chance. Who cares if he has no Championship experience. That is bologne! A good team better than other teams will win 8-9/10 in any league.[/p][/quote]Whoosh where did this come from. This is actually a well informed and researched point in the Watford Observer comments and I love statistics. Salute you! watfordrick

12:32am Sat 21 Dec 13

watfordrick says...

danholman wrote:
For all those who have read Soccernomics then the cog in the wheel reference makes perfect sense. As most people should (but don't) know, the manager of football clubs makes so little difference that it's the players who define success or failure. Transfer policy and wage policy is the key. I loved Zola but at the end of the day a manager is for 2-3 years whereas the general culture if the club, who is brought in (20-25 year olds) and for what salary determines success (upwards of 90% of league position is determined by player salaries over the long term). Give this guys a chance. Who cares if he has no Championship experience. That is bologne! A good team better than other teams will win 8-9/10 in any league.
I don't agree with you though Dan. If the manager makes so little difference why not keep Zola? If you looked at our squad at the start of the season albeit without Vydra you have have to have said we had strengthened on paper - Acuna, Fabbrini, Angella etc. Certainly we have a better squad of players than Burnley. So why according to your model have we failed? I agree the better players will invariably beat a team of average players but there is more to it. If you at Mourinho's siege like mentality that he has had in the past (not at the moment) it gives his team an edge. Dyche seems to have got the best out of Burnley (so far) Its not just about ability at any level, its about getting the best out of your players and getting them to buy in to a way of playing. For me that's down to the manager. . From your argument there is no point replacing Zola. A new manager with Championship experience would definitely give a team an edge!
[quote][p][bold]danholman[/bold] wrote: For all those who have read Soccernomics then the cog in the wheel reference makes perfect sense. As most people should (but don't) know, the manager of football clubs makes so little difference that it's the players who define success or failure. Transfer policy and wage policy is the key. I loved Zola but at the end of the day a manager is for 2-3 years whereas the general culture if the club, who is brought in (20-25 year olds) and for what salary determines success (upwards of 90% of league position is determined by player salaries over the long term). Give this guys a chance. Who cares if he has no Championship experience. That is bologne! A good team better than other teams will win 8-9/10 in any league.[/p][/quote]I don't agree with you though Dan. If the manager makes so little difference why not keep Zola? If you looked at our squad at the start of the season albeit without Vydra you have have to have said we had strengthened on paper - Acuna, Fabbrini, Angella etc. Certainly we have a better squad of players than Burnley. So why according to your model have we failed? I agree the better players will invariably beat a team of average players but there is more to it. If you at Mourinho's siege like mentality that he has had in the past (not at the moment) it gives his team an edge. Dyche seems to have got the best out of Burnley (so far) Its not just about ability at any level, its about getting the best out of your players and getting them to buy in to a way of playing. For me that's down to the manager. . From your argument there is no point replacing Zola. A new manager with Championship experience would definitely give a team an edge! watfordrick

2:07am Sat 21 Dec 13

danholman says...

I agree that there was no point replacing Zola from a managerial point of view. That's kind of my point. There are managers who are overachievers (Paisley, Ferguson and Wenger etc) where the clubs finish higher in the league than their share of the player wage pool assumes they should but the vast vast majority of managers make little difference on the field. Managers are chosen mainly due to PR, supporter appeasement and media reasons (why do so many of them "look the part" these days. If Zola didn't fit in from the wisdom of crowds transfer approach it feels that Watford have moved to - a good approach! - then that may have been the main reason why he left.

Either way read the book. It's enlightening in its own right.
I agree that there was no point replacing Zola from a managerial point of view. That's kind of my point. There are managers who are overachievers (Paisley, Ferguson and Wenger etc) where the clubs finish higher in the league than their share of the player wage pool assumes they should but the vast vast majority of managers make little difference on the field. Managers are chosen mainly due to PR, supporter appeasement and media reasons (why do so many of them "look the part" these days. If Zola didn't fit in from the wisdom of crowds transfer approach it feels that Watford have moved to - a good approach! - then that may have been the main reason why he left. Either way read the book. It's enlightening in its own right. danholman

2:10am Sat 21 Dec 13

danholman says...

Oh and absolutely mourinho may also be an overachieving manager but he only had 3 seasons so difficult to tell. I do agree though the difference a manager makes is the intangibles but all in all it's pretty far between
Oh and absolutely mourinho may also be an overachieving manager but he only had 3 seasons so difficult to tell. I do agree though the difference a manager makes is the intangibles but all in all it's pretty far between danholman

8:56am Sat 21 Dec 13

watfordrick says...

danholman wrote:
I agree that there was no point replacing Zola from a managerial point of view. That's kind of my point. There are managers who are overachievers (Paisley, Ferguson and Wenger etc) where the clubs finish higher in the league than their share of the player wage pool assumes they should but the vast vast majority of managers make little difference on the field. Managers are chosen mainly due to PR, supporter appeasement and media reasons (why do so many of them "look the part" these days. If Zola didn't fit in from the wisdom of crowds transfer approach it feels that Watford have moved to - a good approach! - then that may have been the main reason why he left.

Either way read the book. It's enlightening in its own right.
Yes I think I will. Since the premier league started Wenger and Fegie shared the title 16 times. Blackburn, Chelsea and Man City have bought the title 5 times between them. it proves the point that ultimately especially in this English scenario that a long term manager really does make a difference although it doesn't have to be a British manager. Maybe this is different in other sport or in the States.
[quote][p][bold]danholman[/bold] wrote: I agree that there was no point replacing Zola from a managerial point of view. That's kind of my point. There are managers who are overachievers (Paisley, Ferguson and Wenger etc) where the clubs finish higher in the league than their share of the player wage pool assumes they should but the vast vast majority of managers make little difference on the field. Managers are chosen mainly due to PR, supporter appeasement and media reasons (why do so many of them "look the part" these days. If Zola didn't fit in from the wisdom of crowds transfer approach it feels that Watford have moved to - a good approach! - then that may have been the main reason why he left. Either way read the book. It's enlightening in its own right.[/p][/quote]Yes I think I will. Since the premier league started Wenger and Fegie shared the title 16 times. Blackburn, Chelsea and Man City have bought the title 5 times between them. it proves the point that ultimately especially in this English scenario that a long term manager really does make a difference although it doesn't have to be a British manager. Maybe this is different in other sport or in the States. watfordrick

9:43am Sun 22 Dec 13

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