UPDATED: Watford retain stalwart Alec Chamberlain despite appointing another goalkeeping coach

This Is Local London: Alec Chamberlain with former boss Gianfranco Zola. Picture: Action Images Alec Chamberlain with former boss Gianfranco Zola. Picture: Action Images

Watford have confirmed long-standing goalkeeping coach Alec Chamberlain has been retained following the appointment of Giuseppe Sannino on an 18-month contract.

There were question marks over whether Chamberlain would remain on the coaching staff after the Hornets this morning confirmed Paolo De Toffol, who has been a goalkeeping coach at previous clubs, was one of the men hired.

However, the Golden Boys have this afternoon confirmed to the Watford Observer that Chamberlain will remain on the coaching staff.

Chamberlain has worked for Watford for 17 years as a player and goalkeeper coach and helped develop England goalkeeper Ben Foster, plus Under-21 internationals Jonathan Bond and Scott Loach.

The club initially announced the appointment of Sannino and three assistant coaches – De Toffol, Francesco Troise and Giovanni Cusatis - this morning.

But the Hornets have also confirmed Alberto Sebastiani has become the fourth assistant coach. The delay was because his arrival had not been formally completed when the club announcement was made this morning.

Watford also confirmed Gianfranco Zola’s ex-assistant coaches Dodo Sormani and Bastiano Porcu have left the club, as indicated by the latter’s message on Twitter last night.

Three of the coaches – Cusatis, Troise and De Toffol - all worked with Sannino at Chievo and Sebastiani knows him from their time together at FC Sudtriol more than a decade ago.

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Cusatis played for nine different clubs in Italy - mostly in the third and fourth tiers.

He was a midfielder and enjoyed his most successful spells at Teramo, Siracusa and Legnano, where he also worked as a coach under Attilio Lombardo, who went on to coach at Manchester City.

The 46-year-old has since coached at several lower-league Italian teams, including a spell in charge of third tier side Pro Patria, of the Lega Pro, and Lega Pro second division team Alessandria.

De Toffol, 52, is a goalkeeper coach who played at a number of Italian clubs including Monza, Padova and Catanzaro in Serie B.

As well as Chievo, De Toffol also has experience working in Serie A with Treviso and most recently Cagliari.

Little is known about Troise as he has worked mostly in Italy’s amateur leagues, including a spell in charge of non-league side Torrecuso, but he had a meteoric rise to join Sannino’s coaching staff at Serie A side Chievo this summer.

Sebastiani was youth team coach at FC Sudtirol, who play in Lega Pro. The 48-year-old worked for FC Sudtirol for 16 years and is a club legend having helped the side secure promotion during the 2009/10 season whilst head coach.

He worked with Sannino between 1999 and 2001.

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3:23pm Wed 18 Dec 13

jasonwatford says...

Mr Teflon !!!
Mr Teflon !!! jasonwatford

3:23pm Wed 18 Dec 13

sgevans says...

We'll need the new East Stand to house all the assistant coaches! Hopefully they will keep the Academy team in place.
We'll need the new East Stand to house all the assistant coaches! Hopefully they will keep the Academy team in place. sgevans

3:52pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

so 4 coaches plus Alec.
Must be about 56 new players joining in Jan.
so 4 coaches plus Alec. Must be about 56 new players joining in Jan. Mickey Quinn, not so thin

3:57pm Wed 18 Dec 13

mellow yellow says...

Oh look, Alec is being retained. So the posts saying one of the best goalkeeping coaches in england was to be axed by the nasty new management team were, erm, mistaken then. Like I said earlier, there are those who seek to promote doom before the ink has even dried on the new contracts. Does Alec speak English though? I'm sure someone out there must know...
Oh look, Alec is being retained. So the posts saying one of the best goalkeeping coaches in england was to be axed by the nasty new management team were, erm, mistaken then. Like I said earlier, there are those who seek to promote doom before the ink has even dried on the new contracts. Does Alec speak English though? I'm sure someone out there must know... mellow yellow

4:04pm Wed 18 Dec 13

JHEAFFEY says...

Good old Alec, hope's around for a long time to come. Would love to see him take a set piece as well, the accuracy of his kicks in the warm up is top notch.
Good old Alec, hope's around for a long time to come. Would love to see him take a set piece as well, the accuracy of his kicks in the warm up is top notch. JHEAFFEY

4:08pm Wed 18 Dec 13

MainStandShambles says...

Ha ha! Excellent riposte to earlier posters mellow yellow or are you just getting your comment on here in first. Good stuff.
Ha ha! Excellent riposte to earlier posters mellow yellow or are you just getting your comment on here in first. Good stuff. MainStandShambles

4:12pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

mellow yellow wrote:
Oh look, Alec is being retained. So the posts saying one of the best goalkeeping coaches in england was to be axed by the nasty new management team were, erm, mistaken then. Like I said earlier, there are those who seek to promote doom before the ink has even dried on the new contracts. Does Alec speak English though? I'm sure someone out there must know...
someone to go and fetch the balls ??
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: Oh look, Alec is being retained. So the posts saying one of the best goalkeeping coaches in england was to be axed by the nasty new management team were, erm, mistaken then. Like I said earlier, there are those who seek to promote doom before the ink has even dried on the new contracts. Does Alec speak English though? I'm sure someone out there must know...[/p][/quote]someone to go and fetch the balls ?? Mickey Quinn, not so thin

4:29pm Wed 18 Dec 13

CaptainPC says...

EX SCummer
EX SCummer CaptainPC

4:30pm Wed 18 Dec 13

mellow yellow says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
Oh look, Alec is being retained. So the posts saying one of the best goalkeeping coaches in england was to be axed by the nasty new management team were, erm, mistaken then. Like I said earlier, there are those who seek to promote doom before the ink has even dried on the new contracts. Does Alec speak English though? I'm sure someone out there must know...
someone to go and fetch the balls ??
I'd fetch the balls for a second tier contract, fella.
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: Oh look, Alec is being retained. So the posts saying one of the best goalkeeping coaches in england was to be axed by the nasty new management team were, erm, mistaken then. Like I said earlier, there are those who seek to promote doom before the ink has even dried on the new contracts. Does Alec speak English though? I'm sure someone out there must know...[/p][/quote]someone to go and fetch the balls ??[/p][/quote]I'd fetch the balls for a second tier contract, fella. mellow yellow

4:31pm Wed 18 Dec 13

mellow yellow says...

CaptainPC wrote:
EX SCummer
Yawn
[quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: EX SCummer[/p][/quote]Yawn mellow yellow

4:43pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Jon_mk says...

I think Alec has been average at best, Loach and Lee amongst others seemed to go backwards under his guidance. Bond is doing well but I believe Alminia has played a huge part in that. Am sure this will get me some negative scores but I personally would have liked to see someone with new ideas come in.
I think Alec has been average at best, Loach and Lee amongst others seemed to go backwards under his guidance. Bond is doing well but I believe Alminia has played a huge part in that. Am sure this will get me some negative scores but I personally would have liked to see someone with new ideas come in. Jon_mk

5:49pm Wed 18 Dec 13

stevyweavy says...

Jon_mk wrote:
I think Alec has been average at best, Loach and Lee amongst others seemed to go backwards under his guidance. Bond is doing well but I believe Alminia has played a huge part in that. Am sure this will get me some negative scores but I personally would have liked to see someone with new ideas come in.
Duhhhh!!! Paolo De Toffol is a goal keeping coach so we will have someone with new ideas coming as well.
[quote][p][bold]Jon_mk[/bold] wrote: I think Alec has been average at best, Loach and Lee amongst others seemed to go backwards under his guidance. Bond is doing well but I believe Alminia has played a huge part in that. Am sure this will get me some negative scores but I personally would have liked to see someone with new ideas come in.[/p][/quote]Duhhhh!!! Paolo De Toffol is a goal keeping coach so we will have someone with new ideas coming as well. stevyweavy

7:33pm Wed 18 Dec 13

buckler says...

Done really well with Lee, Loach , Bonham and Almunia ! Money for old rope!
Done really well with Lee, Loach , Bonham and Almunia ! Money for old rope! buckler

8:46pm Wed 18 Dec 13

edgrigg says...

I am glad he is staying. I have heard of him. I've seen him play. I don't like this international franchise thing. The club is called Watford. It should have some vague geographic association with the place. It is not called Udinese UK Franchise FC. It is feeling less and less like our club. I don't really care how attractive the football is, I support Watford because I come from there. If I cared more about the quality of the football I would not have spent the last 40 years following Watford! I will always cheer the team but I don't like the appointment of coaches who did not even know where Watford was last week. I'm not xenophobic, I just think we should encourage local talent.
I am glad he is staying. I have heard of him. I've seen him play. I don't like this international franchise thing. The club is called Watford. It should have some vague geographic association with the place. It is not called Udinese UK Franchise FC. It is feeling less and less like our club. I don't really care how attractive the football is, I support Watford because I come from there. If I cared more about the quality of the football I would not have spent the last 40 years following Watford! I will always cheer the team but I don't like the appointment of coaches who did not even know where Watford was last week. I'm not xenophobic, I just think we should encourage local talent. edgrigg

9:17pm Wed 18 Dec 13

aperfectcircle says...

Phew, I can now sleep easy knowing Alec will still be with us.
Phew, I can now sleep easy knowing Alec will still be with us. aperfectcircle

9:18pm Wed 18 Dec 13

The BestTrip2011 says...

edgrigg wrote:
I am glad he is staying. I have heard of him. I've seen him play. I don't like this international franchise thing. The club is called Watford. It should have some vague geographic association with the place. It is not called Udinese UK Franchise FC. It is feeling less and less like our club. I don't really care how attractive the football is, I support Watford because I come from there. If I cared more about the quality of the football I would not have spent the last 40 years following Watford! I will always cheer the team but I don't like the appointment of coaches who did not even know where Watford was last week. I'm not xenophobic, I just think we should encourage local talent.
It's hard to disagree with the emotion and sentiment of your post.
Alec is a great servant to this club, I'm glad he's staying too.
[quote][p][bold]edgrigg[/bold] wrote: I am glad he is staying. I have heard of him. I've seen him play. I don't like this international franchise thing. The club is called Watford. It should have some vague geographic association with the place. It is not called Udinese UK Franchise FC. It is feeling less and less like our club. I don't really care how attractive the football is, I support Watford because I come from there. If I cared more about the quality of the football I would not have spent the last 40 years following Watford! I will always cheer the team but I don't like the appointment of coaches who did not even know where Watford was last week. I'm not xenophobic, I just think we should encourage local talent.[/p][/quote]It's hard to disagree with the emotion and sentiment of your post. Alec is a great servant to this club, I'm glad he's staying too. The BestTrip2011

9:29pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Bobbyhowfield says...

edgrigg wrote:
I am glad he is staying. I have heard of him. I've seen him play. I don't like this international franchise thing. The club is called Watford. It should have some vague geographic association with the place. It is not called Udinese UK Franchise FC. It is feeling less and less like our club. I don't really care how attractive the football is, I support Watford because I come from there. If I cared more about the quality of the football I would not have spent the last 40 years following Watford! I will always cheer the team but I don't like the appointment of coaches who did not even know where Watford was last week. I'm not xenophobic, I just think we should encourage local talent.
Watching attractive football and scoring approx 2 goals a game was so boring last year .
Shame we've got another foreigner running the show .
[quote][p][bold]edgrigg[/bold] wrote: I am glad he is staying. I have heard of him. I've seen him play. I don't like this international franchise thing. The club is called Watford. It should have some vague geographic association with the place. It is not called Udinese UK Franchise FC. It is feeling less and less like our club. I don't really care how attractive the football is, I support Watford because I come from there. If I cared more about the quality of the football I would not have spent the last 40 years following Watford! I will always cheer the team but I don't like the appointment of coaches who did not even know where Watford was last week. I'm not xenophobic, I just think we should encourage local talent.[/p][/quote]Watching attractive football and scoring approx 2 goals a game was so boring last year . Shame we've got another foreigner running the show . Bobbyhowfield

10:13pm Wed 18 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

Jon_mk wrote:
I think Alec has been average at best, Loach and Lee amongst others seemed to go backwards under his guidance. Bond is doing well but I believe Alminia has played a huge part in that. Am sure this will get me some negative scores but I personally would have liked to see someone with new ideas come in.
A goalkeeping coach with new ideas IS coming in...duh !
[quote][p][bold]Jon_mk[/bold] wrote: I think Alec has been average at best, Loach and Lee amongst others seemed to go backwards under his guidance. Bond is doing well but I believe Alminia has played a huge part in that. Am sure this will get me some negative scores but I personally would have liked to see someone with new ideas come in.[/p][/quote]A goalkeeping coach with new ideas IS coming in...duh ! SAHornet

12:32am Thu 19 Dec 13

Bush Hornet says...

Alec Chamberlain was a quality keeper and is a quality coach. Those who know say so, including GT and Almunia. People who say otherwise just enjoy having a cheap dig. He's also a loyal servant to the club and deserves respect. Couldn't give a sh1t that he played for Luton in the distant past.
Alec Chamberlain was a quality keeper and is a quality coach. Those who know say so, including GT and Almunia. People who say otherwise just enjoy having a cheap dig. He's also a loyal servant to the club and deserves respect. Couldn't give a sh1t that he played for Luton in the distant past. Bush Hornet

8:31am Thu 19 Dec 13

ChrisG85 says...

Wait, are people actually complaining that Alec is staying? Yet in other posts, in other threads complaining that we don't have any English football experience within our coaching staff? Ok then.

Basing Alec's past players on their performance has very little to do with his ability as a coach. I know many people put the 2 together and seem to think it is the case but there is a massive difference. As for the amount of coaching staff, is this really something to complain about? Maybe they are mixing it up a little and having a couple of defensive coaches or attacking ones with Sannino overseeing it all. People always find something to have a little dig about. No matter how the club progresses, there is always something.
Wait, are people actually complaining that Alec is staying? Yet in other posts, in other threads complaining that we don't have any English football experience within our coaching staff? Ok then. Basing Alec's past players on their performance has very little to do with his ability as a coach. I know many people put the 2 together and seem to think it is the case but there is a massive difference. As for the amount of coaching staff, is this really something to complain about? Maybe they are mixing it up a little and having a couple of defensive coaches or attacking ones with Sannino overseeing it all. People always find something to have a little dig about. No matter how the club progresses, there is always something. ChrisG85

9:32am Thu 19 Dec 13

not a regular says...

Don't get me wrong I like the fact that Alec is staying. But let's not forget when Kzuszack came in and Loach came out and said "I've learned more from him in three months". There is also the fact that we've always had good shot stoppers but never anyone to come and claim a cross or organise a defence (or if they did, they didn't learn it from Alec).

Again, I would hate to see him leave but that's just the impression I get.
Don't get me wrong I like the fact that Alec is staying. But let's not forget when Kzuszack came in and Loach came out and said "I've learned more from him in three months". There is also the fact that we've always had good shot stoppers but never anyone to come and claim a cross or organise a defence (or if they did, they didn't learn it from Alec). Again, I would hate to see him leave but that's just the impression I get. not a regular

10:43am Thu 19 Dec 13

JohnnyHornet says...

SAHornet wrote:
Jon_mk wrote:
I think Alec has been average at best, Loach and Lee amongst others seemed to go backwards under his guidance. Bond is doing well but I believe Alminia has played a huge part in that. Am sure this will get me some negative scores but I personally would have liked to see someone with new ideas come in.
A goalkeeping coach with new ideas IS coming in...duh !
Would one of the new idea be keeping the ball out of our net, We'll have him then.
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jon_mk[/bold] wrote: I think Alec has been average at best, Loach and Lee amongst others seemed to go backwards under his guidance. Bond is doing well but I believe Alminia has played a huge part in that. Am sure this will get me some negative scores but I personally would have liked to see someone with new ideas come in.[/p][/quote]A goalkeeping coach with new ideas IS coming in...duh ![/p][/quote]Would one of the new idea be keeping the ball out of our net, We'll have him then. JohnnyHornet

10:58am Thu 19 Dec 13

bristol hornet says...

Totally underwhelmed by all of the new foreign imports!

At least we still have dear old Alec!

We must give them a chance, but I am afraid I predict a relegation battle for the rest of the season! Hope I am wrong thouh, and these new guys prove me wrong.
Totally underwhelmed by all of the new foreign imports! At least we still have dear old Alec! We must give them a chance, but I am afraid I predict a relegation battle for the rest of the season! Hope I am wrong thouh, and these new guys prove me wrong. bristol hornet

12:24pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Boxhorn says...

Jon_mk wrote:
I think Alec has been average at best, Loach and Lee amongst others seemed to go backwards under his guidance. Bond is doing well but I believe Alminia has played a huge part in that. Am sure this will get me some negative scores but I personally would have liked to see someone with new ideas come in.
ah ha, one of the old antil Chamberlain crew!!
I remember the threads on here when Loach was going through a bad patch (yes, OK, a very long bad patch) and Chamberlain was coming in for a lot of stick and the usual warriors were calling for his head. Honestly some people on here are more changable than the British weather!
[quote][p][bold]Jon_mk[/bold] wrote: I think Alec has been average at best, Loach and Lee amongst others seemed to go backwards under his guidance. Bond is doing well but I believe Alminia has played a huge part in that. Am sure this will get me some negative scores but I personally would have liked to see someone with new ideas come in.[/p][/quote]ah ha, one of the old antil Chamberlain crew!! I remember the threads on here when Loach was going through a bad patch (yes, OK, a very long bad patch) and Chamberlain was coming in for a lot of stick and the usual warriors were calling for his head. Honestly some people on here are more changable than the British weather! Boxhorn

1:10pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Jimhornet says...

We sound like we're a club in crisis here.

If crisis is mid-table then isn't it incredible how far we've come? We've had a bad run, but still have some of the best players we've seen at the Vic, have a new stand being built and have some excellent youngsters coming through and progressing. I for one have full faith in the Pozzos and their team here.

Granted, I'm not exactly sure what these new guys will bring, and I question the wisdom of stearing clear of anyone with experience of this leauge and British football in general but, very sensibly, they have made it a short term appointment initially, meaning they may well be preparing for next season already - and possibly even have someone else in mind to replace them. Good long term planning as usual.

There is NO WAY we will get relegated with the side we have. There are too many goals in it, and one thing everyone has talked about is the new coaches strength in coaching defenses - so that side should improve, giving us plenty to stay up, and maybe even challenge for a lower play-off berth.

On the whole, let's just see what happens and give the Pozzo's our trust and backing. We can't afford to hack them off, if they decide they have made a mistake choosing Watford and scarper we really are in crisis!
We sound like we're a club in crisis here. If crisis is mid-table then isn't it incredible how far we've come? We've had a bad run, but still have some of the best players we've seen at the Vic, have a new stand being built and have some excellent youngsters coming through and progressing. I for one have full faith in the Pozzos and their team here. Granted, I'm not exactly sure what these new guys will bring, and I question the wisdom of stearing clear of anyone with experience of this leauge and British football in general but, very sensibly, they have made it a short term appointment initially, meaning they may well be preparing for next season already - and possibly even have someone else in mind to replace them. Good long term planning as usual. There is NO WAY we will get relegated with the side we have. There are too many goals in it, and one thing everyone has talked about is the new coaches strength in coaching defenses - so that side should improve, giving us plenty to stay up, and maybe even challenge for a lower play-off berth. On the whole, let's just see what happens and give the Pozzo's our trust and backing. We can't afford to hack them off, if they decide they have made a mistake choosing Watford and scarper we really are in crisis! Jimhornet

1:25pm Thu 19 Dec 13

soulfulhornet says...

Glad Alec is staying. If he was such a bad coach then why do our ex and present keepers speak so highly of him. Surely they know him better than any of us.

Ben Foster improved immensely whilst here and went backwards after returning to United (under Eric Steele's tuition - who is highly regarded). Scott Loach hasn't progressed since escaping Chamberlain's clutches whilst at Ipswich and is no longer first choice. Perhaps Alec's influence was positive rather negative, then again some posters on here always see the glass as half empty after just one sip!

Alec's Luton association is irrelevant and a very long time ago.

I for one are delighted, Alec remains at the club. His influence with the new Italian coaches - in adapting them to the Watford way will provide continuity and a source of invaluable advice.
Glad Alec is staying. If he was such a bad coach then why do our ex and present keepers speak so highly of him. Surely they know him better than any of us. Ben Foster improved immensely whilst here and went backwards after returning to United (under Eric Steele's tuition - who is highly regarded). Scott Loach hasn't progressed since escaping Chamberlain's clutches whilst at Ipswich and is no longer first choice. Perhaps Alec's influence was positive rather negative, then again some posters on here always see the glass as half empty after just one sip! Alec's Luton association is irrelevant and a very long time ago. I for one are delighted, Alec remains at the club. His influence with the new Italian coaches - in adapting them to the Watford way will provide continuity and a source of invaluable advice. soulfulhornet

8:50pm Thu 19 Dec 13

edgrigg says...

Bobbyhowfield wrote:
edgrigg wrote: I am glad he is staying. I have heard of him. I've seen him play. I don't like this international franchise thing. The club is called Watford. It should have some vague geographic association with the place. It is not called Udinese UK Franchise FC. It is feeling less and less like our club. I don't really care how attractive the football is, I support Watford because I come from there. If I cared more about the quality of the football I would not have spent the last 40 years following Watford! I will always cheer the team but I don't like the appointment of coaches who did not even know where Watford was last week. I'm not xenophobic, I just think we should encourage local talent.
Watching attractive football and scoring approx 2 goals a game was so boring last year . Shame we've got another foreigner running the show .
I am not saying I prefer boring football, but if the club becomes so divorced from where it came from that it no longer seems like Watford we could score 5 a game, win the Premiership and storm Europe and it would not move me. What is more important, winning or the soul of the club?
[quote][p][bold]Bobbyhowfield[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]edgrigg[/bold] wrote: I am glad he is staying. I have heard of him. I've seen him play. I don't like this international franchise thing. The club is called Watford. It should have some vague geographic association with the place. It is not called Udinese UK Franchise FC. It is feeling less and less like our club. I don't really care how attractive the football is, I support Watford because I come from there. If I cared more about the quality of the football I would not have spent the last 40 years following Watford! I will always cheer the team but I don't like the appointment of coaches who did not even know where Watford was last week. I'm not xenophobic, I just think we should encourage local talent.[/p][/quote]Watching attractive football and scoring approx 2 goals a game was so boring last year . Shame we've got another foreigner running the show .[/p][/quote]I am not saying I prefer boring football, but if the club becomes so divorced from where it came from that it no longer seems like Watford we could score 5 a game, win the Premiership and storm Europe and it would not move me. What is more important, winning or the soul of the club? edgrigg

6:21am Fri 20 Dec 13

mellow yellow says...

edgrigg wrote:
Bobbyhowfield wrote:
edgrigg wrote: I am glad he is staying. I have heard of him. I've seen him play. I don't like this international franchise thing. The club is called Watford. It should have some vague geographic association with the place. It is not called Udinese UK Franchise FC. It is feeling less and less like our club. I don't really care how attractive the football is, I support Watford because I come from there. If I cared more about the quality of the football I would not have spent the last 40 years following Watford! I will always cheer the team but I don't like the appointment of coaches who did not even know where Watford was last week. I'm not xenophobic, I just think we should encourage local talent.
Watching attractive football and scoring approx 2 goals a game was so boring last year . Shame we've got another foreigner running the show .
I am not saying I prefer boring football, but if the club becomes so divorced from where it came from that it no longer seems like Watford we could score 5 a game, win the Premiership and storm Europe and it would not move me. What is more important, winning or the soul of the club?
That poses a fascinating question, edgrigg: what exactly constitutes the 'soul of the club'... where the players come from, who the owners are, what kind of fans we are, the club colours, the badge... Just what is it? Because, like most clubs, over the years we have had changes to ALL those, except, I would argue the fans. The fans are the one true constant. So WE are the soul. And I know I am still here. Aren't you?
[quote][p][bold]edgrigg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobbyhowfield[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]edgrigg[/bold] wrote: I am glad he is staying. I have heard of him. I've seen him play. I don't like this international franchise thing. The club is called Watford. It should have some vague geographic association with the place. It is not called Udinese UK Franchise FC. It is feeling less and less like our club. I don't really care how attractive the football is, I support Watford because I come from there. If I cared more about the quality of the football I would not have spent the last 40 years following Watford! I will always cheer the team but I don't like the appointment of coaches who did not even know where Watford was last week. I'm not xenophobic, I just think we should encourage local talent.[/p][/quote]Watching attractive football and scoring approx 2 goals a game was so boring last year . Shame we've got another foreigner running the show .[/p][/quote]I am not saying I prefer boring football, but if the club becomes so divorced from where it came from that it no longer seems like Watford we could score 5 a game, win the Premiership and storm Europe and it would not move me. What is more important, winning or the soul of the club?[/p][/quote]That poses a fascinating question, edgrigg: what exactly constitutes the 'soul of the club'... where the players come from, who the owners are, what kind of fans we are, the club colours, the badge... Just what is it? Because, like most clubs, over the years we have had changes to ALL those, except, I would argue the fans. The fans are the one true constant. So WE are the soul. And I know I am still here. Aren't you? mellow yellow

11:51am Fri 20 Dec 13

sid sideboard says...

I've heard on the grapevine, the one in my mates very expensive Italian designed conservatory, that AC is staying because he agreed to change his name and adopt Italian citizenship. From now on he is to be known as Alecio Chamberlino. There's still a language issue to address but the labels on Napolina tomatoes and pasta are helping.
I've heard on the grapevine, the one in my mates very expensive Italian designed conservatory, that AC is staying because he agreed to change his name and adopt Italian citizenship. From now on he is to be known as Alecio Chamberlino. There's still a language issue to address but the labels on Napolina tomatoes and pasta are helping. sid sideboard

10:34pm Fri 20 Dec 13

edgrigg says...

We have changed many things in the past, but changes in colours, managers, players, etc have always been more gradual. Defining what the soul of a club will be different for everyone, but I lived in Wimbledon when they moved to MK and all their fans will tell you the the club can leave the fans. I don't think the owners can do whatever they like and we either have to love it or be told to sod off by other fans. I don't like being Udinese England Franchise United. That does not make me disloyal or not a real fan. The less like Watford FC the team feels like the less my heart is stirred as the come onto the pitch.
We have changed many things in the past, but changes in colours, managers, players, etc have always been more gradual. Defining what the soul of a club will be different for everyone, but I lived in Wimbledon when they moved to MK and all their fans will tell you the the club can leave the fans. I don't think the owners can do whatever they like and we either have to love it or be told to sod off by other fans. I don't like being Udinese England Franchise United. That does not make me disloyal or not a real fan. The less like Watford FC the team feels like the less my heart is stirred as the come onto the pitch. edgrigg

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