Gianfranco Zola unsure if he can turn Watford's fortunes around

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Gianfranco Zola has admitted he is unsure if he can turn Watford’s fortunes around after a fifth consecutive home defeat.

The Hornets played well during the first half against Sheffield Wednesday this afternoon and had a dubious Ikechi Anya goal ruled out for offside.

But it was the visitors who went into half time ahead following Connor Wickham’s free-kick and Wednesday then nullified the Golden Boys’ threat in the second period, with the Hornets unable to create a clear-cut opportunity until deep into injury-time.

The 1-0 defeat means Watford have not scored at home for four matches and today’s opponent, Sheffield Wednesday, were the only team in the Football League who had not kept a clean sheet all season prior to this afternoon’s game.

It is the first time in 23 years that Watford have lost five home games on the bounce and they are now without a win in nine games, leaving the club 15 points below the automatic promotion places.

When asked if he was confident he could turn their form around, Zola replied: “I am confident I will have to think about it very much.

“Football is a game for results and at the moment we are not producing results – I am aware of that – so I will see what I have to do because I am responsible for what I do and I do care about what I do. I will see how I can affect the situation, if I can.”

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6:37pm Sat 14 Dec 13

stiffler99 says...

That is not what he was saying. Sensationalism.
That is not what he was saying. Sensationalism. stiffler99

6:43pm Sat 14 Dec 13

demerit says...

At last the penny has dropped! The bloke hasn't got a f*****g clue. Sack him now for god's sake.
At last the penny has dropped! The bloke hasn't got a f*****g clue. Sack him now for god's sake. demerit

6:44pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Gash69 says...

2+2= 9 !!!!!!
2+2= 9 !!!!!! Gash69

6:45pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Goldentrue1 says...

demerit wrote:
At last the penny has dropped! The bloke hasn't got a f*****g clue. Sack him now for god's sake.
Can't we just sack you?
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: At last the penny has dropped! The bloke hasn't got a f*****g clue. Sack him now for god's sake.[/p][/quote]Can't we just sack you? Goldentrue1

6:56pm Sat 14 Dec 13

demerit says...

Goldentrue1 wrote:
demerit wrote:
At last the penny has dropped! The bloke hasn't got a f*****g clue. Sack him now for god's sake.
Can't we just sack you?
Aaaah last some of the deluded fans are back! There's not many of you left now. There are only 1 1/2 posts under the previous article in support of Mr. Nice Guy.

Team selection, substitutions, playing style, formations....I could go on all night. Until he's gone we will never improve....unless the Pozzos spend millions and cover up the biggest crack we have....Zola.
[quote][p][bold]Goldentrue1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: At last the penny has dropped! The bloke hasn't got a f*****g clue. Sack him now for god's sake.[/p][/quote]Can't we just sack you?[/p][/quote]Aaaah last some of the deluded fans are back! There's not many of you left now. There are only 1 1/2 posts under the previous article in support of Mr. Nice Guy. Team selection, substitutions, playing style, formations....I could go on all night. Until he's gone we will never improve....unless the Pozzos spend millions and cover up the biggest crack we have....Zola. demerit

7:02pm Sat 14 Dec 13

SCMW57 says...

Give Zola an experienced No 2.
Don't sacrifice his style of play - add steel and variety .....Zola needs help.
Remember we've spend nothing in the transfer market since the takeover - Zola has had to deal with the United Nations....
Give Zola an experienced No 2. Don't sacrifice his style of play - add steel and variety .....Zola needs help. Remember we've spend nothing in the transfer market since the takeover - Zola has had to deal with the United Nations.... SCMW57

7:02pm Sat 14 Dec 13

watfordrick says...

Please don't go !
Please don't go ! watfordrick

7:06pm Sat 14 Dec 13

endean2 says...

sorry, and I mean that.

but I do not believe he knows how to sort this out.

Good bye and thankyou
sorry, and I mean that. but I do not believe he knows how to sort this out. Good bye and thankyou endean2

7:06pm Sat 14 Dec 13

The Rover says...

I wasn't at the match today due to work commitments, but looking at the stats we had more of the ball, a lot more shots on goal, and more shots on target.

Looks like the only thing missing today was a bit of luck.

I cannot see that a change of manager is going to be a magic fix. If we are in the bottom half of the league come January then I feel it is time for a change.
I wasn't at the match today due to work commitments, but looking at the stats we had more of the ball, a lot more shots on goal, and more shots on target. Looks like the only thing missing today was a bit of luck. I cannot see that a change of manager is going to be a magic fix. If we are in the bottom half of the league come January then I feel it is time for a change. The Rover

7:13pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Rookery Veteren says...

This veteran wouldn't want the likes of demerit next to him in the trenches. You can mock all you like pal but loyalty is a quality you don't seem to have discovered. Nothing is going for us at the moment. It will change. Zola has made mistakes but he has also given us some of the best football I 've seen in nearly 50 years watching the Horns . I suppose you want Holloway.
This veteran wouldn't want the likes of demerit next to him in the trenches. You can mock all you like pal but loyalty is a quality you don't seem to have discovered. Nothing is going for us at the moment. It will change. Zola has made mistakes but he has also given us some of the best football I 've seen in nearly 50 years watching the Horns . I suppose you want Holloway. Rookery Veteren

7:20pm Sat 14 Dec 13

mooneysmagic says...

Regrettably nice men don't make successful managers. Time to fall on his sword.
Regrettably nice men don't make successful managers. Time to fall on his sword. mooneysmagic

7:22pm Sat 14 Dec 13

endean2 says...

Rookery Veteren wrote:
This veteran wouldn't want the likes of demerit next to him in the trenches. You can mock all you like pal but loyalty is a quality you don't seem to have discovered. Nothing is going for us at the moment. It will change. Zola has made mistakes but he has also given us some of the best football I 've seen in nearly 50 years watching the Horns . I suppose you want Holloway.
yep , might be an idea!
[quote][p][bold]Rookery Veteren[/bold] wrote: This veteran wouldn't want the likes of demerit next to him in the trenches. You can mock all you like pal but loyalty is a quality you don't seem to have discovered. Nothing is going for us at the moment. It will change. Zola has made mistakes but he has also given us some of the best football I 've seen in nearly 50 years watching the Horns . I suppose you want Holloway.[/p][/quote]yep , might be an idea! endean2

7:24pm Sat 14 Dec 13

SJM...laugh at luton says...

Totally unacceptable...

**** poor.
Totally unacceptable... **** poor. SJM...laugh at luton

7:29pm Sat 14 Dec 13

DJWFC123 says...

How did we lose that game again? I have thought this after many games this season. We started so brightly but look clueless upfront.
I think it'll be sad for Zola to leave as he has given it his all. He needs help and the current back room staff don't seem to have the answers. We have recruited poorly this year. D Fab is a good player but a luxury, as too is Fessi...one of these players in a squad is enough but two is stupid. Should have signed a striker with championship experience. This is another oversight for me. Looks like we tried to sign players good enough for premiership, however overlooked the fact we need to get promoted and the championship is very different to prem. we should have bought to get out of this league before worrying about premiership.
We need to just worry about seeing through this season and start building for next season.
Whichever way the club is moving forward on and off the pitch but everything takes time. The way we excelled last season has made built expectations...Zola is still the man to do the job but he needs to reconsider tactics and backroom staff. Do we point the finger at Nani too for poor recruitment?
COYH
How did we lose that game again? I have thought this after many games this season. We started so brightly but look clueless upfront. I think it'll be sad for Zola to leave as he has given it his all. He needs help and the current back room staff don't seem to have the answers. We have recruited poorly this year. D Fab is a good player but a luxury, as too is Fessi...one of these players in a squad is enough but two is stupid. Should have signed a striker with championship experience. This is another oversight for me. Looks like we tried to sign players good enough for premiership, however overlooked the fact we need to get promoted and the championship is very different to prem. we should have bought to get out of this league before worrying about premiership. We need to just worry about seeing through this season and start building for next season. Whichever way the club is moving forward on and off the pitch but everything takes time. The way we excelled last season has made built expectations...Zola is still the man to do the job but he needs to reconsider tactics and backroom staff. Do we point the finger at Nani too for poor recruitment? COYH DJWFC123

7:44pm Sat 14 Dec 13

The BestTrip2011 says...

He has to go. None of us wanted this, but what we are seeing on the pitch has now become unacceptable. We can argue that certain players are not performing or at least not performing consistently, but he is responsible for picking the team and the tactics and tactically he has got it wrong...badly wrong. And, more importantly, when the tactics are not working he seemingly has no idea how to change things to alter the tempo or undo the opposition. This was no more evident than at today's game. I feel for him I really do as he is the gentleman we all know him to be, however it is very clear we need something different to get us out of a very worrying situation. Martin Jol would be a consideration for me.
He has to go. None of us wanted this, but what we are seeing on the pitch has now become unacceptable. We can argue that certain players are not performing or at least not performing consistently, but he is responsible for picking the team and the tactics and tactically he has got it wrong...badly wrong. And, more importantly, when the tactics are not working he seemingly has no idea how to change things to alter the tempo or undo the opposition. This was no more evident than at today's game. I feel for him I really do as he is the gentleman we all know him to be, however it is very clear we need something different to get us out of a very worrying situation. Martin Jol would be a consideration for me. The BestTrip2011

7:50pm Sat 14 Dec 13

PembsHornet says...

All, my thoughts are that the apparent set up with Nani being technical director who controls player acquisitions is fundamentally wrong. An Italian type of set up in the British Leagues will not work. We need a manager who not only controls the team but also controls player purchases/loans, so that they can choose the type of player that is required rather than trying to base a team on what they are given. I feel sorry for Zola to a point, he is inexperienced and may lack technical nouse but trying to put a team together with players given to him is NOT the recipe for success. I am really stuck as to whether Zola should go or not, if he stays he needs a recognised experienced successful number two to help with the difficulties of the Championship. Like many of others have stated, it appears that there is some kind of unrest with the dressing room and the instigator should be sent to train with the youth team and then sold in the January window if it is our best player or not. One player does not make a team and it is obvious that we do not play as a team but as a bunch of individuals. If the Pozzo's want the money that comes with success and promotion to the Premiership, they must speculate to accumulate. We all know that a player who is well regarded in the Italian league is not a definite success in the English leagues, there have been many high profile failures over the years (Veron etc.). We need players who we know will success rather thanthey hope will succeed!!!
All, my thoughts are that the apparent set up with Nani being technical director who controls player acquisitions is fundamentally wrong. An Italian type of set up in the British Leagues will not work. We need a manager who not only controls the team but also controls player purchases/loans, so that they can choose the type of player that is required rather than trying to base a team on what they are given. I feel sorry for Zola to a point, he is inexperienced and may lack technical nouse but trying to put a team together with players given to him is NOT the recipe for success. I am really stuck as to whether Zola should go or not, if he stays he needs a recognised experienced successful number two to help with the difficulties of the Championship. Like many of others have stated, it appears that there is some kind of unrest with the dressing room and the instigator should be sent to train with the youth team and then sold in the January window if it is our best player or not. One player does not make a team and it is obvious that we do not play as a team but as a bunch of individuals. If the Pozzo's want the money that comes with success and promotion to the Premiership, they must speculate to accumulate. We all know that a player who is well regarded in the Italian league is not a definite success in the English leagues, there have been many high profile failures over the years (Veron etc.). We need players who we know will success rather thanthey hope will succeed!!! PembsHornet

7:55pm Sat 14 Dec 13

bigdave8 says...

Hurts at the moment but happy to keep Zola in charge . Tactics today poor again though he needs a good number two with him . 2 away draws against good sides which we set up tactically very well. But to set up so negative at home is a mistake for me .
Hurts at the moment but happy to keep Zola in charge . Tactics today poor again though he needs a good number two with him . 2 away draws against good sides which we set up tactically very well. But to set up so negative at home is a mistake for me . bigdave8

8:05pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Hornankey says...

Our expectations were too high at the start. It now looks like a mid-table or lower season. I don't think that there is one single reason for the abject performances but a combination of several which many have already suggested: wrong players for the Championship, style of play, poor coaching, formation, captaincy and tactics.

For me the last few home reverses have resulted from inferior coaching. One simple example is the contrasting fortunes of ourselves and our opponents with free-kicks and corners. We seldom score from ours yet ship goals regularly from our opponents set-pieces. In many games and again today we have more set-pieces than the opposition. Our opponents are more inventive, exploit their own set-pieces and are disciplined defending ours whereas we lack creativity and are disorganised in defence.

We have a collection of very talented individual players at the club but they fail to play consistently as a team. Gianfranco Zola was a fantastic footballer and is a lovely guy. Unfortunately a major contributor to this run of unbelievably bad performances is inferior coaching. Unfortunately I think that it is time to move on.
Our expectations were too high at the start. It now looks like a mid-table or lower season. I don't think that there is one single reason for the abject performances but a combination of several which many have already suggested: wrong players for the Championship, style of play, poor coaching, formation, captaincy and tactics. For me the last few home reverses have resulted from inferior coaching. One simple example is the contrasting fortunes of ourselves and our opponents with free-kicks and corners. We seldom score from ours yet ship goals regularly from our opponents set-pieces. In many games and again today we have more set-pieces than the opposition. Our opponents are more inventive, exploit their own set-pieces and are disciplined defending ours whereas we lack creativity and are disorganised in defence. We have a collection of very talented individual players at the club but they fail to play consistently as a team. Gianfranco Zola was a fantastic footballer and is a lovely guy. Unfortunately a major contributor to this run of unbelievably bad performances is inferior coaching. Unfortunately I think that it is time to move on. Hornankey

8:06pm Sat 14 Dec 13

tommy gunn says...

If the photograph on this piece is anything to go by then Zola is a 'spent' man. If he can turn this round then he could be in for manager of the year let alone the monthly title .Portman road next week, usually a happy hunting ground for us but not so sure this time.
If the photograph on this piece is anything to go by then Zola is a 'spent' man. If he can turn this round then he could be in for manager of the year let alone the monthly title .Portman road next week, usually a happy hunting ground for us but not so sure this time. tommy gunn

8:28pm Sat 14 Dec 13

JohnnyBarnes says...

mooneysmagic wrote:
Regrettably nice men don't make successful managers. Time to fall on his sword.
Wenger.
[quote][p][bold]mooneysmagic[/bold] wrote: Regrettably nice men don't make successful managers. Time to fall on his sword.[/p][/quote]Wenger. JohnnyBarnes

8:32pm Sat 14 Dec 13

stevet93 says...

Can't believe what I witnessed at vicarage road today, totally inept performance clueless manager clueless team I have been supporting Watford for over 50 years this latest result reminded of the old Aidy Boothroyd days before the walls came crashing in .
Why did we leave our two best players on the bench and why did we play with a loan striker up front when we are playing at home.first 15 minutes we looked ok then started punting long balls forward too many players look so disinterested we have no plan B I fear for Zola nice man but sometimes being nice is not enough people do take advantages has he lost the dressing room most important what ever happens we must get behind the team we all love!!!!!
Can't believe what I witnessed at vicarage road today, totally inept performance clueless manager clueless team I have been supporting Watford for over 50 years this latest result reminded of the old Aidy Boothroyd days before the walls came crashing in . Why did we leave our two best players on the bench and why did we play with a loan striker up front when we are playing at home.first 15 minutes we looked ok then started punting long balls forward too many players look so disinterested we have no plan B I fear for Zola nice man but sometimes being nice is not enough people do take advantages has he lost the dressing room most important what ever happens we must get behind the team we all love!!!!! stevet93

8:33pm Sat 14 Dec 13

AngelHornet says...

For Zola to stay there must be a change in his coaching team.
Sadly I think it's the end for him at Watford.
For Zola to stay there must be a change in his coaching team. Sadly I think it's the end for him at Watford. AngelHornet

8:41pm Sat 14 Dec 13

holtonian says...

Gianfranco clearly has changed the style of play he prefers in order to gain points. I only wished he had played his 3 5 2 style and stuck to his guns about pure football win lose or draw. Players have let down, perhaps the best boss we have ever had at the club. I am not certain just how much imput he has had in players we have. In a nutshell horrid decisions gone against us for weeks now but feel to many team changes has been major concern...I hope he stays.
Gianfranco clearly has changed the style of play he prefers in order to gain points. I only wished he had played his 3 5 2 style and stuck to his guns about pure football win lose or draw. Players have let down, perhaps the best boss we have ever had at the club. I am not certain just how much imput he has had in players we have. In a nutshell horrid decisions gone against us for weeks now but feel to many team changes has been major concern...I hope he stays. holtonian

8:58pm Sat 14 Dec 13

wheelsonfire says...

Grim. I know it looks bad, or worse than bad, but I for one hope he stays. The football we have seen ove the past two seasons are the best ever seen at the Vic.
Something is wrong at the club though and needs sorting. We could have played until Sunday night and still not scored. FF was the only one who looked like he might, and Murray for the only guy playing to his potential.
What has happened to Deeney? From one of our star players last season back to the player he was the season before. From potential Premiership striker to a player who would find it hard to get into a poor first division team!! Can't just be the fact that Vydra isn't there surely.
The whole thing is so frustrating and I have no idea what the answer is and I don't think the management do either!
Grim. I know it looks bad, or worse than bad, but I for one hope he stays. The football we have seen ove the past two seasons are the best ever seen at the Vic. Something is wrong at the club though and needs sorting. We could have played until Sunday night and still not scored. FF was the only one who looked like he might, and Murray for the only guy playing to his potential. What has happened to Deeney? From one of our star players last season back to the player he was the season before. From potential Premiership striker to a player who would find it hard to get into a poor first division team!! Can't just be the fact that Vydra isn't there surely. The whole thing is so frustrating and I have no idea what the answer is and I don't think the management do either! wheelsonfire

9:00pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ronny oh Ronny Ronny says...

stevet93 wrote:
Can't believe what I witnessed at vicarage road today, totally inept performance clueless manager clueless team I have been supporting Watford for over 50 years this latest result reminded of the old Aidy Boothroyd days before the walls came crashing in .
Why did we leave our two best players on the bench and why did we play with a loan striker up front when we are playing at home.first 15 minutes we looked ok then started punting long balls forward too many players look so disinterested we have no plan B I fear for Zola nice man but sometimes being nice is not enough people do take advantages has he lost the dressing room most important what ever happens we must get behind the team we all love!!!!!
We didn't play with a loan striker, we actually own Deeney!! ;)
[quote][p][bold]stevet93[/bold] wrote: Can't believe what I witnessed at vicarage road today, totally inept performance clueless manager clueless team I have been supporting Watford for over 50 years this latest result reminded of the old Aidy Boothroyd days before the walls came crashing in . Why did we leave our two best players on the bench and why did we play with a loan striker up front when we are playing at home.first 15 minutes we looked ok then started punting long balls forward too many players look so disinterested we have no plan B I fear for Zola nice man but sometimes being nice is not enough people do take advantages has he lost the dressing room most important what ever happens we must get behind the team we all love!!!!![/p][/quote]We didn't play with a loan striker, we actually own Deeney!! ;) Ronny oh Ronny Ronny

9:06pm Sat 14 Dec 13

stevet93 says...

What I mean is Deeney being a loan striker is that he was on his own up front of course I know we own him.
What I mean is Deeney being a loan striker is that he was on his own up front of course I know we own him. stevet93

9:08pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Man from Pinner says...

Awful performance today. For me Fitz Hall was our stand out player so with respect that says a lot for the performance. In particular what has happened to the midfield? Surely this is not all due to AA absence?
A huge overhaul is required; may be pie in the sky but bring back JE as player/coach?
The team need some leadership and GZ clearly needs help. Who better to step in other than JE?
Awful performance today. For me Fitz Hall was our stand out player so with respect that says a lot for the performance. In particular what has happened to the midfield? Surely this is not all due to AA absence? A huge overhaul is required; may be pie in the sky but bring back JE as player/coach? The team need some leadership and GZ clearly needs help. Who better to step in other than JE? Man from Pinner

9:20pm Sat 14 Dec 13

watford1881 says...

These players are over rated pansies at best.. No strength.. Falling over all the time.. Rubbish to blame Zola.. Who would want to take over Watford under the system we ask managers too.. No British manager would come near.. Managers not in control of buying and choosing playing staff does not work.. Pozzos if U want Watford to go to thenext level U must treat Watford as the English club we are.. We are NOT Spanish or Italian.. We are Watford and in this country we do things a little different to the rest of the world.. That's what makes English football the best.. Give Zola a budget and let him spend it.. Nani is no judge of good enough footballers...
These players are over rated pansies at best.. No strength.. Falling over all the time.. Rubbish to blame Zola.. Who would want to take over Watford under the system we ask managers too.. No British manager would come near.. Managers not in control of buying and choosing playing staff does not work.. Pozzos if U want Watford to go to thenext level U must treat Watford as the English club we are.. We are NOT Spanish or Italian.. We are Watford and in this country we do things a little different to the rest of the world.. That's what makes English football the best.. Give Zola a budget and let him spend it.. Nani is no judge of good enough footballers... watford1881

9:26pm Sat 14 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

stevet93 wrote:
What I mean is Deeney being a loan striker is that he was on his own up front of course I know we own him.
Ronny knows what you meant. He's just having a laugh at your poor spelling. The word you're looking for is "lone" not "loan". While you're about it you might want to look at your total lack of grammar and punctuation too.
[quote][p][bold]stevet93[/bold] wrote: What I mean is Deeney being a loan striker is that he was on his own up front of course I know we own him.[/p][/quote]Ronny knows what you meant. He's just having a laugh at your poor spelling. The word you're looking for is "lone" not "loan". While you're about it you might want to look at your total lack of grammar and punctuation too. SAHornet

9:28pm Sat 14 Dec 13

andyrankin says...

what is all the rubbish about a No 2.
That only worked for Aidy (keith Burkinshaw) because no one realised that Aidy was not really the genius. But now Zola has lost the players and fans confidence. If a No2 comes in and everything turns around we will all know it was the new No2 that did it and would still not respect Zola and you would wonder who was actually calling the shots. Can't work now as it is just far far too late. There is no way out of the situation now. Zola will have to go.
what is all the rubbish about a No 2. That only worked for Aidy (keith Burkinshaw) because no one realised that Aidy was not really the genius. But now Zola has lost the players and fans confidence. If a No2 comes in and everything turns around we will all know it was the new No2 that did it and would still not respect Zola and you would wonder who was actually calling the shots. Can't work now as it is just far far too late. There is no way out of the situation now. Zola will have to go. andyrankin

9:33pm Sat 14 Dec 13

watford1881 says...

Zola is only the scapegoat of the system.. He needs a number two with experience like we had last year.. I don't think replacing him will make any difference without the staff around him who know this league.. The number two we had last year had top league experience and we replaced him with a guy with as much experience as me.. Go out and spend whatever it takes to get a number two who's been there and done it.. Someone like GT...
Zola is only the scapegoat of the system.. He needs a number two with experience like we had last year.. I don't think replacing him will make any difference without the staff around him who know this league.. The number two we had last year had top league experience and we replaced him with a guy with as much experience as me.. Go out and spend whatever it takes to get a number two who's been there and done it.. Someone like GT... watford1881

9:34pm Sat 14 Dec 13

HunsburyHornet4 says...

stevet93 wrote:
What I mean is Deeney being a loan striker is that he was on his own up front of course I know we own him.
What he's trying to tell you Steve, is that Deeney was the LONE striker, not a loan striker.
[quote][p][bold]stevet93[/bold] wrote: What I mean is Deeney being a loan striker is that he was on his own up front of course I know we own him.[/p][/quote]What he's trying to tell you Steve, is that Deeney was the LONE striker, not a loan striker. HunsburyHornet4

9:36pm Sat 14 Dec 13

electricoblong says...

If Zola is interested in staying then the first thin he needs to do is send Marco Cassetti back home. Very poor from him, along with ANYONE who is bringing that dressing room down. The players really need to look at themselves. If you can not do it under ZOLA you do not have the attitude required.!
If Zola is interested in staying then the first thin he needs to do is send Marco Cassetti back home. Very poor from him, along with ANYONE who is bringing that dressing room down. The players really need to look at themselves. If you can not do it under ZOLA you do not have the attitude required.! electricoblong

9:37pm Sat 14 Dec 13

watford1881 says...

The Watford Warbler wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
These players are over rated pansies at best.. No strength.. Falling over all the time.. Rubbish to blame Zola.. Who would want to take over Watford under the system we ask managers too.. No British manager would come near.. Managers not in control of buying and choosing playing staff does not work.. Pozzos if U want Watford to go to thenext level U must treat Watford as the English club we are.. We are NOT Spanish or Italian.. We are Watford and in this country we do things a little different to the rest of the world.. That's what makes English football the best.. Give Zola a budget and let him spend it.. Nani is no judge of good enough footballers...
1881 you know nothing about football, if you want 11 strong men running round like idiots sling your hook down to Barnet and go watch the scaracens. He has the best players we've had since the 80s.The squad we have now is better than gts team that won the play offs and better than bothroyds who now manages in league 2. If you get your wish maybe next year in league 1 we can get warnock in.We can kick people and punt the ball up in the air, you'll love it
With this system and these current players we will go down.. Zola needs a assistant with experience.. U know nothing my friend.. Without trying to be controversial say something that makes sense.. Being the fool u are that may be difficult...
[quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: These players are over rated pansies at best.. No strength.. Falling over all the time.. Rubbish to blame Zola.. Who would want to take over Watford under the system we ask managers too.. No British manager would come near.. Managers not in control of buying and choosing playing staff does not work.. Pozzos if U want Watford to go to thenext level U must treat Watford as the English club we are.. We are NOT Spanish or Italian.. We are Watford and in this country we do things a little different to the rest of the world.. That's what makes English football the best.. Give Zola a budget and let him spend it.. Nani is no judge of good enough footballers...[/p][/quote]1881 you know nothing about football, if you want 11 strong men running round like idiots sling your hook down to Barnet and go watch the scaracens. He has the best players we've had since the 80s.The squad we have now is better than gts team that won the play offs and better than bothroyds who now manages in league 2. If you get your wish maybe next year in league 1 we can get warnock in.We can kick people and punt the ball up in the air, you'll love it[/p][/quote]With this system and these current players we will go down.. Zola needs a assistant with experience.. U know nothing my friend.. Without trying to be controversial say something that makes sense.. Being the fool u are that may be difficult... watford1881

9:39pm Sat 14 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

Well, for what it's worth this is what I think:- The Pozzo's model is to chuck loads of players at GZ and say, "there you go, develop some of these guys so that we can sell them on at a profit". It's the way they operate, pure and simple. GZ has no influence on player recruitment in the club. Maybe it will be difficult to find another good manager who would be willing to work under those circumstances. We bang on about our current squad being the best in The Champ but clearly it's not and I would include Troy Deeney in that scenario too. Our players are not good enough for The Champ. FF, DF,DFar, Iriney, MC,JE etc etc are simply not cutting it at this level. The only players that truly shine are IA, AA, JB and one or two others. In GZ we have a manager that could take us to the heights if only he had the correct players to choose from and a decent back-room staff to support him.
Well, for what it's worth this is what I think:- The Pozzo's model is to chuck loads of players at GZ and say, "there you go, develop some of these guys so that we can sell them on at a profit". It's the way they operate, pure and simple. GZ has no influence on player recruitment in the club. Maybe it will be difficult to find another good manager who would be willing to work under those circumstances. We bang on about our current squad being the best in The Champ but clearly it's not and I would include Troy Deeney in that scenario too. Our players are not good enough for The Champ. FF, DF,DFar, Iriney, MC,JE etc etc are simply not cutting it at this level. The only players that truly shine are IA, AA, JB and one or two others. In GZ we have a manager that could take us to the heights if only he had the correct players to choose from and a decent back-room staff to support him. SAHornet

9:40pm Sat 14 Dec 13

watford1881 says...

Maybe U need to understand football for the other 6 days of the week not just the 90 mins on a match day
Maybe U need to understand football for the other 6 days of the week not just the 90 mins on a match day watford1881

9:41pm Sat 14 Dec 13

watford1881 says...

SAHornet wrote:
Well, for what it's worth this is what I think:- The Pozzo's model is to chuck loads of players at GZ and say, "there you go, develop some of these guys so that we can sell them on at a profit". It's the way they operate, pure and simple. GZ has no influence on player recruitment in the club. Maybe it will be difficult to find another good manager who would be willing to work under those circumstances. We bang on about our current squad being the best in The Champ but clearly it's not and I would include Troy Deeney in that scenario too. Our players are not good enough for The Champ. FF, DF,DFar, Iriney, MC,JE etc etc are simply not cutting it at this level. The only players that truly shine are IA, AA, JB and one or two others. In GZ we have a manager that could take us to the heights if only he had the correct players to choose from and a decent back-room staff to support him.
Someone with Sense.. Well I never..
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Well, for what it's worth this is what I think:- The Pozzo's model is to chuck loads of players at GZ and say, "there you go, develop some of these guys so that we can sell them on at a profit". It's the way they operate, pure and simple. GZ has no influence on player recruitment in the club. Maybe it will be difficult to find another good manager who would be willing to work under those circumstances. We bang on about our current squad being the best in The Champ but clearly it's not and I would include Troy Deeney in that scenario too. Our players are not good enough for The Champ. FF, DF,DFar, Iriney, MC,JE etc etc are simply not cutting it at this level. The only players that truly shine are IA, AA, JB and one or two others. In GZ we have a manager that could take us to the heights if only he had the correct players to choose from and a decent back-room staff to support him.[/p][/quote]Someone with Sense.. Well I never.. watford1881

9:50pm Sat 14 Dec 13

watford1881 says...

It's funny how the detractors all come out the woodwork and try to say "I told U this would happen" like we give a dam.. Say something to help not to try to make yourself look better...
It's funny how the detractors all come out the woodwork and try to say "I told U this would happen" like we give a dam.. Say something to help not to try to make yourself look better... watford1881

9:57pm Sat 14 Dec 13

watford1881 says...

The Watford Warbler wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
The Watford Warbler wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
These players are over rated pansies at best.. No strength.. Falling over all the time.. Rubbish to blame Zola.. Who would want to take over Watford under the system we ask managers too.. No British manager would come near.. Managers not in control of buying and choosing playing staff does not work.. Pozzos if U want Watford to go to thenext level U must treat Watford as the English club we are.. We are NOT Spanish or Italian.. We are Watford and in this country we do things a little different to the rest of the world.. That's what makes English football the best.. Give Zola a budget and let him spend it.. Nani is no judge of good enough footballers...
1881 you know nothing about football, if you want 11 strong men running round like idiots sling your hook down to Barnet and go watch the scaracens. He has the best players we've had since the 80s.The squad we have now is better than gts team that won the play offs and better than bothroyds who now manages in league 2. If you get your wish maybe next year in league 1 we can get warnock in.We can kick people and punt the ball up in the air, you'll love it
With this system and these current players we will go down.. Zola needs a assistant with experience.. U know nothing my friend.. Without trying to be controversial say something that makes sense.. Being the fool u are that may be difficult...
The system is zolas,he has admitted in the past he dosent have a plan b he has continually said it's not the system or formation why we are losing he has said he won't change the way we play as it's the Watford way(its not the Watford way it's the zola way, I know this as I was at Watford a long time before zola and will be there a long time after) and he has said today that he is unsure if he is the man to take us forward. Yet here you are trying to make sure he stays Watford manager. Moi a fool? How come I've sussed you out inside 5 minutes 1881 = Luton scummer in disguise! THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU!
OK.. Very sad person U are.. Bet you've never even been to a Derby match.. Too busy playing with your train set.. Get your homework done or your get lines U sad sad person..
[quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: These players are over rated pansies at best.. No strength.. Falling over all the time.. Rubbish to blame Zola.. Who would want to take over Watford under the system we ask managers too.. No British manager would come near.. Managers not in control of buying and choosing playing staff does not work.. Pozzos if U want Watford to go to thenext level U must treat Watford as the English club we are.. We are NOT Spanish or Italian.. We are Watford and in this country we do things a little different to the rest of the world.. That's what makes English football the best.. Give Zola a budget and let him spend it.. Nani is no judge of good enough footballers...[/p][/quote]1881 you know nothing about football, if you want 11 strong men running round like idiots sling your hook down to Barnet and go watch the scaracens. He has the best players we've had since the 80s.The squad we have now is better than gts team that won the play offs and better than bothroyds who now manages in league 2. If you get your wish maybe next year in league 1 we can get warnock in.We can kick people and punt the ball up in the air, you'll love it[/p][/quote]With this system and these current players we will go down.. Zola needs a assistant with experience.. U know nothing my friend.. Without trying to be controversial say something that makes sense.. Being the fool u are that may be difficult...[/p][/quote]The system is zolas,he has admitted in the past he dosent have a plan b he has continually said it's not the system or formation why we are losing he has said he won't change the way we play as it's the Watford way(its not the Watford way it's the zola way, I know this as I was at Watford a long time before zola and will be there a long time after) and he has said today that he is unsure if he is the man to take us forward. Yet here you are trying to make sure he stays Watford manager. Moi a fool? How come I've sussed you out inside 5 minutes 1881 = Luton scummer in disguise! THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU![/p][/quote]OK.. Very sad person U are.. Bet you've never even been to a Derby match.. Too busy playing with your train set.. Get your homework done or your get lines U sad sad person.. watford1881

10:02pm Sat 14 Dec 13

watford1881 says...

The Watford Warbler wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
The Watford Warbler wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
These players are over rated pansies at best.. No strength.. Falling over all the time.. Rubbish to blame Zola.. Who would want to take over Watford under the system we ask managers too.. No British manager would come near.. Managers not in control of buying and choosing playing staff does not work.. Pozzos if U want Watford to go to thenext level U must treat Watford as the English club we are.. We are NOT Spanish or Italian.. We are Watford and in this country we do things a little different to the rest of the world.. That's what makes English football the best.. Give Zola a budget and let him spend it.. Nani is no judge of good enough footballers...
1881 you know nothing about football, if you want 11 strong men running round like idiots sling your hook down to Barnet and go watch the scaracens. He has the best players we've had since the 80s.The squad we have now is better than gts team that won the play offs and better than bothroyds who now manages in league 2. If you get your wish maybe next year in league 1 we can get warnock in.We can kick people and punt the ball up in the air, you'll love it
With this system and these current players we will go down.. Zola needs a assistant with experience.. U know nothing my friend.. Without trying to be controversial say something that makes sense.. Being the fool u are that may be difficult...
The system is zolas,he has admitted in the past he dosent have a plan b he has continually said it's not the system or formation why we are losing he has said he won't change the way we play as it's the Watford way(its not the Watford way it's the zola way, I know this as I was at Watford a long time before zola and will be there a long time after) and he has said today that he is unsure if he is the man to take us forward. Yet here you are trying to make sure he stays Watford manager. Moi a fool? How come I've sussed you out inside 5 minutes 1881 = Luton scummer in disguise! THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU!
Glad Mr tumble ain't in charge.. Ooooo let's be controversial.. It's the only way I ever get to feel taller.. Maybe get the Mrs to recuff U to the sink so we can all have a sensible debate....
[quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: These players are over rated pansies at best.. No strength.. Falling over all the time.. Rubbish to blame Zola.. Who would want to take over Watford under the system we ask managers too.. No British manager would come near.. Managers not in control of buying and choosing playing staff does not work.. Pozzos if U want Watford to go to thenext level U must treat Watford as the English club we are.. We are NOT Spanish or Italian.. We are Watford and in this country we do things a little different to the rest of the world.. That's what makes English football the best.. Give Zola a budget and let him spend it.. Nani is no judge of good enough footballers...[/p][/quote]1881 you know nothing about football, if you want 11 strong men running round like idiots sling your hook down to Barnet and go watch the scaracens. He has the best players we've had since the 80s.The squad we have now is better than gts team that won the play offs and better than bothroyds who now manages in league 2. If you get your wish maybe next year in league 1 we can get warnock in.We can kick people and punt the ball up in the air, you'll love it[/p][/quote]With this system and these current players we will go down.. Zola needs a assistant with experience.. U know nothing my friend.. Without trying to be controversial say something that makes sense.. Being the fool u are that may be difficult...[/p][/quote]The system is zolas,he has admitted in the past he dosent have a plan b he has continually said it's not the system or formation why we are losing he has said he won't change the way we play as it's the Watford way(its not the Watford way it's the zola way, I know this as I was at Watford a long time before zola and will be there a long time after) and he has said today that he is unsure if he is the man to take us forward. Yet here you are trying to make sure he stays Watford manager. Moi a fool? How come I've sussed you out inside 5 minutes 1881 = Luton scummer in disguise! THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU![/p][/quote]Glad Mr tumble ain't in charge.. Ooooo let's be controversial.. It's the only way I ever get to feel taller.. Maybe get the Mrs to recuff U to the sink so we can all have a sensible debate.... watford1881

10:03pm Sat 14 Dec 13

oldyella says...

Last year, Abdi and Chalobah CREATED so many of the chances for Vydra and Deeney. This year, no Chalobah or Vydra and Abdi absent since August.
This has so much to do with the issue that we face of being BLUNT up front. No one is CREATING the chances, the through balls that Deeney and Vydra in particular used to run on to last season. Deeney got much better service previously; today we resorted to Boothroyd type tactics of punting the ball up to him; That doesn't work with a lone striker.
So, is it Zola? Or is it the fact that he has replaced a good coach with his unqualified 'best friend'?
No one really wants to see GZ go I'm sure, but we all know 'something' has to change; if he's not sure if he can turn it round....?
It's a scary moment for all Watford supporters.
Last year, Abdi and Chalobah CREATED so many of the chances for Vydra and Deeney. This year, no Chalobah or Vydra and Abdi absent since August. This has so much to do with the issue that we face of being BLUNT up front. No one is CREATING the chances, the through balls that Deeney and Vydra in particular used to run on to last season. Deeney got much better service previously; today we resorted to Boothroyd type tactics of punting the ball up to him; That doesn't work with a lone striker. So, is it Zola? Or is it the fact that he has replaced a good coach with his unqualified 'best friend'? No one really wants to see GZ go I'm sure, but we all know 'something' has to change; if he's not sure if he can turn it round....? It's a scary moment for all Watford supporters. oldyella

10:09pm Sat 14 Dec 13

84AGAIN says...

Think like most supporters I do not have any answers to this and each week that we lose or draw just adds to the frustration. These are just observations but reckon the likes of Hogg ,Hoban and Chalobah are still missed, not sure about Eustace as he played so few matches towards end of the season. There seems to be so little sign of the great breakaway moves that got us so many goals last season and we still miss a Vydra type player for finishing those type of moves that were such a major part of our play last year. Seems to be lots of great passing around the midfield with no end product, understandable given that we lack that element of surprise that made things so exciting last year. Do I think Zola should go? I am on record on these pages in stating support for him and still not convinced that it is the answer but something needs changing, refreshing and it is not the East stand!
Think like most supporters I do not have any answers to this and each week that we lose or draw just adds to the frustration. These are just observations but reckon the likes of Hogg ,Hoban and Chalobah are still missed, not sure about Eustace as he played so few matches towards end of the season. There seems to be so little sign of the great breakaway moves that got us so many goals last season and we still miss a Vydra type player for finishing those type of moves that were such a major part of our play last year. Seems to be lots of great passing around the midfield with no end product, understandable given that we lack that element of surprise that made things so exciting last year. Do I think Zola should go? I am on record on these pages in stating support for him and still not convinced that it is the answer but something needs changing, refreshing and it is not the East stand! 84AGAIN

10:11pm Sat 14 Dec 13

watford1881 says...

The Watford Warbler wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
The Watford Warbler wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
The Watford Warbler wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
These players are over rated pansies at best.. No strength.. Falling over all the time.. Rubbish to blame Zola.. Who would want to take over Watford under the system we ask managers too.. No British manager would come near.. Managers not in control of buying and choosing playing staff does not work.. Pozzos if U want Watford to go to thenext level U must treat Watford as the English club we are.. We are NOT Spanish or Italian.. We are Watford and in this country we do things a little different to the rest of the world.. That's what makes English football the best.. Give Zola a budget and let him spend it.. Nani is no judge of good enough footballers...
1881 you know nothing about football, if you want 11 strong men running round like idiots sling your hook down to Barnet and go watch the scaracens. He has the best players we've had since the 80s.The squad we have now is better than gts team that won the play offs and better than bothroyds who now manages in league 2. If you get your wish maybe next year in league 1 we can get warnock in.We can kick people and punt the ball up in the air, you'll love it
With this system and these current players we will go down.. Zola needs a assistant with experience.. U know nothing my friend.. Without trying to be controversial say something that makes sense.. Being the fool u are that may be difficult...
The system is zolas,he has admitted in the past he dosent have a plan b he has continually said it's not the system or formation why we are losing he has said he won't change the way we play as it's the Watford way(its not the Watford way it's the zola way, I know this as I was at Watford a long time before zola and will be there a long time after) and he has said today that he is unsure if he is the man to take us forward. Yet here you are trying to make sure he stays Watford manager. Moi a fool? How come I've sussed you out inside 5 minutes 1881 = Luton scummer in disguise! THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU!
OK.. Very sad person U are.. Bet you've never even been to a Derby match.. Too busy playing with your train set.. Get your homework done or your get lines U sad sad person..
I was at Kenilworth rd for the 1st time Watford had won there in a decade when we smashed you mugs 4-0 with taylors title winning side. Bet you cried in to your bovril that day. The only train I've played with was a Luton train that went over the hill the brakes failed they all got killed. Ahhhhhh! 1881 is a Luton fan THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU!
So U are a little one.. Bless.. Well it very late now.. Passed ten so get your Jim jams on and brush your teeth.. Say Nite Nite.. Then do one.. FA Cup reply mean anything to U son.. Thought not.. Ask ya dad about it..
[quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: These players are over rated pansies at best.. No strength.. Falling over all the time.. Rubbish to blame Zola.. Who would want to take over Watford under the system we ask managers too.. No British manager would come near.. Managers not in control of buying and choosing playing staff does not work.. Pozzos if U want Watford to go to thenext level U must treat Watford as the English club we are.. We are NOT Spanish or Italian.. We are Watford and in this country we do things a little different to the rest of the world.. That's what makes English football the best.. Give Zola a budget and let him spend it.. Nani is no judge of good enough footballers...[/p][/quote]1881 you know nothing about football, if you want 11 strong men running round like idiots sling your hook down to Barnet and go watch the scaracens. He has the best players we've had since the 80s.The squad we have now is better than gts team that won the play offs and better than bothroyds who now manages in league 2. If you get your wish maybe next year in league 1 we can get warnock in.We can kick people and punt the ball up in the air, you'll love it[/p][/quote]With this system and these current players we will go down.. Zola needs a assistant with experience.. U know nothing my friend.. Without trying to be controversial say something that makes sense.. Being the fool u are that may be difficult...[/p][/quote]The system is zolas,he has admitted in the past he dosent have a plan b he has continually said it's not the system or formation why we are losing he has said he won't change the way we play as it's the Watford way(its not the Watford way it's the zola way, I know this as I was at Watford a long time before zola and will be there a long time after) and he has said today that he is unsure if he is the man to take us forward. Yet here you are trying to make sure he stays Watford manager. Moi a fool? How come I've sussed you out inside 5 minutes 1881 = Luton scummer in disguise! THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU![/p][/quote]OK.. Very sad person U are.. Bet you've never even been to a Derby match.. Too busy playing with your train set.. Get your homework done or your get lines U sad sad person..[/p][/quote]I was at Kenilworth rd for the 1st time Watford had won there in a decade when we smashed you mugs 4-0 with taylors title winning side. Bet you cried in to your bovril that day. The only train I've played with was a Luton train that went over the hill the brakes failed they all got killed. Ahhhhhh! 1881 is a Luton fan THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU![/p][/quote]So U are a little one.. Bless.. Well it very late now.. Passed ten so get your Jim jams on and brush your teeth.. Say Nite Nite.. Then do one.. FA Cup reply mean anything to U son.. Thought not.. Ask ya dad about it.. watford1881

10:11pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Hornets number 12 fan says...

I find it truly amazing the amount of excuses people use instead of admitting that he's not a good manager. Just how low do you lot want the team to sink before he gets the bullet? We're heading for relegation right now and drastic change is now needed.
I find it truly amazing the amount of excuses people use instead of admitting that he's not a good manager. Just how low do you lot want the team to sink before he gets the bullet? We're heading for relegation right now and drastic change is now needed. Hornets number 12 fan

10:11pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Hornets number 12 fan says...

I find it truly amazing the amount of excuses people use instead of admitting that he's not a good manager. Just how low do you lot want the team to sink before he gets the bullet? We're heading for relegation right now and drastic change is now needed.
I find it truly amazing the amount of excuses people use instead of admitting that he's not a good manager. Just how low do you lot want the team to sink before he gets the bullet? We're heading for relegation right now and drastic change is now needed. Hornets number 12 fan

10:16pm Sat 14 Dec 13

watford1881 says...

oldyella wrote:
Last year, Abdi and Chalobah CREATED so many of the chances for Vydra and Deeney. This year, no Chalobah or Vydra and Abdi absent since August.
This has so much to do with the issue that we face of being BLUNT up front. No one is CREATING the chances, the through balls that Deeney and Vydra in particular used to run on to last season. Deeney got much better service previously; today we resorted to Boothroyd type tactics of punting the ball up to him; That doesn't work with a lone striker.
So, is it Zola? Or is it the fact that he has replaced a good coach with his unqualified 'best friend'?
No one really wants to see GZ go I'm sure, but we all know 'something' has to change; if he's not sure if he can turn it round....?
It's a scary moment for all Watford supporters.
Agree yellow mate.. We've not replaced Chalobah, Hogg, Vydra and been without Abdi.. That's a great chunk of the team not replaced.. Plus Joel Ex, Almunia and Deeney among others have been no where near as good as last season...
[quote][p][bold]oldyella[/bold] wrote: Last year, Abdi and Chalobah CREATED so many of the chances for Vydra and Deeney. This year, no Chalobah or Vydra and Abdi absent since August. This has so much to do with the issue that we face of being BLUNT up front. No one is CREATING the chances, the through balls that Deeney and Vydra in particular used to run on to last season. Deeney got much better service previously; today we resorted to Boothroyd type tactics of punting the ball up to him; That doesn't work with a lone striker. So, is it Zola? Or is it the fact that he has replaced a good coach with his unqualified 'best friend'? No one really wants to see GZ go I'm sure, but we all know 'something' has to change; if he's not sure if he can turn it round....? It's a scary moment for all Watford supporters.[/p][/quote]Agree yellow mate.. We've not replaced Chalobah, Hogg, Vydra and been without Abdi.. That's a great chunk of the team not replaced.. Plus Joel Ex, Almunia and Deeney among others have been no where near as good as last season... watford1881

10:21pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Forest Hornets says...

Steve Clarke's been sacked as WBA head coach, a good friend of GZ, on his way to the Vic to coach us to the top maybe!?!
Steve Clarke's been sacked as WBA head coach, a good friend of GZ, on his way to the Vic to coach us to the top maybe!?! Forest Hornets

10:22pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Vet_kills_puppy says...

I have a heavy heart.
I am too depressed to read all the comments just now.
But something deep down inside is telling me it would be the wrong decision to sack Zola now.
Coincidently my last game was our last win on October 5th, Huddersfield away.
God we were good that day. It could have been 6-1 let alone 2-1.
Against my better judgement let's live with the pain for now and a little longer and give GFZ the opportunity of the January transfer window to get some midfield and forward 'Oomph!!!' in.
Keep the Faith
VKP
I have a heavy heart. I am too depressed to read all the comments just now. But something deep down inside is telling me it would be the wrong decision to sack Zola now. Coincidently my last game was our last win on October 5th, Huddersfield away. God we were good that day. It could have been 6-1 let alone 2-1. Against my better judgement let's live with the pain for now and a little longer and give GFZ the opportunity of the January transfer window to get some midfield and forward 'Oomph!!!' in. Keep the Faith VKP Vet_kills_puppy

10:26pm Sat 14 Dec 13

watford1881 says...

Hornets number 12 fan wrote:
I find it truly amazing the amount of excuses people use instead of admitting that he's not a good manager. Just how low do you lot want the team to sink before he gets the bullet? We're heading for relegation right now and drastic change is now needed.
I do understand what your saying.. Believe me.. But is just saying get another manager in the answer?? It's a matter of judgment.. We've all seen a change in manager go great for teams, but we've also seen it send teams down too.. Whatever is decided it needs to be before Christmas.. Really Gino Pozzo needs to come out and show his hand.. Either fire Zola or tell us his your man Gino.. The fans deserve to know...
[quote][p][bold]Hornets number 12 fan[/bold] wrote: I find it truly amazing the amount of excuses people use instead of admitting that he's not a good manager. Just how low do you lot want the team to sink before he gets the bullet? We're heading for relegation right now and drastic change is now needed.[/p][/quote]I do understand what your saying.. Believe me.. But is just saying get another manager in the answer?? It's a matter of judgment.. We've all seen a change in manager go great for teams, but we've also seen it send teams down too.. Whatever is decided it needs to be before Christmas.. Really Gino Pozzo needs to come out and show his hand.. Either fire Zola or tell us his your man Gino.. The fans deserve to know... watford1881

10:32pm Sat 14 Dec 13

watford1881 says...

The Watford Warbler wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
The Watford Warbler wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
The Watford Warbler wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
The Watford Warbler wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
These players are over rated pansies at best.. No strength.. Falling over all the time.. Rubbish to blame Zola.. Who would want to take over Watford under the system we ask managers too.. No British manager would come near.. Managers not in control of buying and choosing playing staff does not work.. Pozzos if U want Watford to go to thenext level U must treat Watford as the English club we are.. We are NOT Spanish or Italian.. We are Watford and in this country we do things a little different to the rest of the world.. That's what makes English football the best.. Give Zola a budget and let him spend it.. Nani is no judge of good enough footballers...
1881 you know nothing about football, if you want 11 strong men running round like idiots sling your hook down to Barnet and go watch the scaracens. He has the best players we've had since the 80s.The squad we have now is better than gts team that won the play offs and better than bothroyds who now manages in league 2. If you get your wish maybe next year in league 1 we can get warnock in.We can kick people and punt the ball up in the air, you'll love it
With this system and these current players we will go down.. Zola needs a assistant with experience.. U know nothing my friend.. Without trying to be controversial say something that makes sense.. Being the fool u are that may be difficult...
The system is zolas,he has admitted in the past he dosent have a plan b he has continually said it's not the system or formation why we are losing he has said he won't change the way we play as it's the Watford way(its not the Watford way it's the zola way, I know this as I was at Watford a long time before zola and will be there a long time after) and he has said today that he is unsure if he is the man to take us forward. Yet here you are trying to make sure he stays Watford manager. Moi a fool? How come I've sussed you out inside 5 minutes 1881 = Luton scummer in disguise! THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU!
OK.. Very sad person U are.. Bet you've never even been to a Derby match.. Too busy playing with your train set.. Get your homework done or your get lines U sad sad person..
I was at Kenilworth rd for the 1st time Watford had won there in a decade when we smashed you mugs 4-0 with taylors title winning side. Bet you cried in to your bovril that day. The only train I've played with was a Luton train that went over the hill the brakes failed they all got killed. Ahhhhhh! 1881 is a Luton fan THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU!
So U are a little one.. Bless.. Well it very late now.. Passed ten so get your Jim jams on and brush your teeth.. Say Nite Nite.. Then do one.. FA Cup reply mean anything to U son.. Thought not.. Ask ya dad about it..
Sorry lost interest in your post after the 1st line didn't bother reading the rest. You keep making your sarcastic personal comments about people and I will talk about football. #1881isalutonfan THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU!
Stay out of my way and all will be rosey.. Have fun womble..
[quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: These players are over rated pansies at best.. No strength.. Falling over all the time.. Rubbish to blame Zola.. Who would want to take over Watford under the system we ask managers too.. No British manager would come near.. Managers not in control of buying and choosing playing staff does not work.. Pozzos if U want Watford to go to thenext level U must treat Watford as the English club we are.. We are NOT Spanish or Italian.. We are Watford and in this country we do things a little different to the rest of the world.. That's what makes English football the best.. Give Zola a budget and let him spend it.. Nani is no judge of good enough footballers...[/p][/quote]1881 you know nothing about football, if you want 11 strong men running round like idiots sling your hook down to Barnet and go watch the scaracens. He has the best players we've had since the 80s.The squad we have now is better than gts team that won the play offs and better than bothroyds who now manages in league 2. If you get your wish maybe next year in league 1 we can get warnock in.We can kick people and punt the ball up in the air, you'll love it[/p][/quote]With this system and these current players we will go down.. Zola needs a assistant with experience.. U know nothing my friend.. Without trying to be controversial say something that makes sense.. Being the fool u are that may be difficult...[/p][/quote]The system is zolas,he has admitted in the past he dosent have a plan b he has continually said it's not the system or formation why we are losing he has said he won't change the way we play as it's the Watford way(its not the Watford way it's the zola way, I know this as I was at Watford a long time before zola and will be there a long time after) and he has said today that he is unsure if he is the man to take us forward. Yet here you are trying to make sure he stays Watford manager. Moi a fool? How come I've sussed you out inside 5 minutes 1881 = Luton scummer in disguise! THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU![/p][/quote]OK.. Very sad person U are.. Bet you've never even been to a Derby match.. Too busy playing with your train set.. Get your homework done or your get lines U sad sad person..[/p][/quote]I was at Kenilworth rd for the 1st time Watford had won there in a decade when we smashed you mugs 4-0 with taylors title winning side. Bet you cried in to your bovril that day. The only train I've played with was a Luton train that went over the hill the brakes failed they all got killed. Ahhhhhh! 1881 is a Luton fan THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU![/p][/quote]So U are a little one.. Bless.. Well it very late now.. Passed ten so get your Jim jams on and brush your teeth.. Say Nite Nite.. Then do one.. FA Cup reply mean anything to U son.. Thought not.. Ask ya dad about it..[/p][/quote]Sorry lost interest in your post after the 1st line didn't bother reading the rest. You keep making your sarcastic personal comments about people and I will talk about football. #1881isalutonfan THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU![/p][/quote]Stay out of my way and all will be rosey.. Have fun womble.. watford1881

10:34pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ramageland says...

All this cr*p about plan B - we don't need a plan B, we just need to carry out plan A properly and teams would struggle. We aren't closing down the opposition quickly enough in midfield and when we do win the ball, we go sideways or backwards - total opposite of last season. Anybody suggesting Fessi, Pudil, Faraoni, Iriney, etc aren't good enough is talking rubbish. For example, IIriney has regularly looked good against players like Messi and Ronaldo in the last few years, so there is no reason why he shouldn't look good against the likes of David Nugent and Conor Sammon!!

The main problem for me is the work rate - we seem to get the hump when teams don't let us play, and then spend 90 minutes knocking it aimlessly around our defence and midfield. Instead of waiting to see what the opposition is going to do, we should start games fast and set the tempo before the likes of Bolton, Sheff Weds, etc get a chance to set their stalls out and bore us all to death. Any kind of pace up front would solve the problem at a stroke (Fabbrini is not the answer!).

No idea if Zola will sort it - hope so, but if he doesn't, there must be plenty of managers that would want the opportunity with our squad!
All this cr*p about plan B - we don't need a plan B, we just need to carry out plan A properly and teams would struggle. We aren't closing down the opposition quickly enough in midfield and when we do win the ball, we go sideways or backwards - total opposite of last season. Anybody suggesting Fessi, Pudil, Faraoni, Iriney, etc aren't good enough is talking rubbish. For example, IIriney has regularly looked good against players like Messi and Ronaldo in the last few years, so there is no reason why he shouldn't look good against the likes of David Nugent and Conor Sammon!! The main problem for me is the work rate - we seem to get the hump when teams don't let us play, and then spend 90 minutes knocking it aimlessly around our defence and midfield. Instead of waiting to see what the opposition is going to do, we should start games fast and set the tempo before the likes of Bolton, Sheff Weds, etc get a chance to set their stalls out and bore us all to death. Any kind of pace up front would solve the problem at a stroke (Fabbrini is not the answer!). No idea if Zola will sort it - hope so, but if he doesn't, there must be plenty of managers that would want the opportunity with our squad! Ramageland

10:35pm Sat 14 Dec 13

watford1881 says...

Vet_kills_puppy wrote:
I have a heavy heart.
I am too depressed to read all the comments just now.
But something deep down inside is telling me it would be the wrong decision to sack Zola now.
Coincidently my last game was our last win on October 5th, Huddersfield away.
God we were good that day. It could have been 6-1 let alone 2-1.
Against my better judgement let's live with the pain for now and a little longer and give GFZ the opportunity of the January transfer window to get some midfield and forward 'Oomph!!!' in.
Keep the Faith
VKP
We do really need to hear from Gino Pozzo.. The one thing the Pozzo aren't very good at is supporter communications...
[quote][p][bold]Vet_kills_puppy[/bold] wrote: I have a heavy heart. I am too depressed to read all the comments just now. But something deep down inside is telling me it would be the wrong decision to sack Zola now. Coincidently my last game was our last win on October 5th, Huddersfield away. God we were good that day. It could have been 6-1 let alone 2-1. Against my better judgement let's live with the pain for now and a little longer and give GFZ the opportunity of the January transfer window to get some midfield and forward 'Oomph!!!' in. Keep the Faith VKP[/p][/quote]We do really need to hear from Gino Pozzo.. The one thing the Pozzo aren't very good at is supporter communications... watford1881

10:43pm Sat 14 Dec 13

matey_from_brighton says...

Sad to say but I really cannot see Zola turning things around - I don't think he has much say in player acquisitions other than loan players but with this squad we are definitely underachieving. After Burnley I thought GZ may be able to pull it round but after not being able to close out a two-nil ht score last week at Leeds I think we all knew nothing had changed. Todays match was quite frightening in that Wednesday were even worse than both Bolton and Yeovil (incredibly) and we couldn't exert any spell of 2nd half pressure on them when we needed to.
Don't know where our next win is coming from but we need one quickly somehow.
Sad to say but I really cannot see Zola turning things around - I don't think he has much say in player acquisitions other than loan players but with this squad we are definitely underachieving. After Burnley I thought GZ may be able to pull it round but after not being able to close out a two-nil ht score last week at Leeds I think we all knew nothing had changed. Todays match was quite frightening in that Wednesday were even worse than both Bolton and Yeovil (incredibly) and we couldn't exert any spell of 2nd half pressure on them when we needed to. Don't know where our next win is coming from but we need one quickly somehow. matey_from_brighton

10:45pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Meridenman says...

Hornets number 12 fan wrote:
I find it truly amazing the amount of excuses people use instead of admitting that he's not a good manager. Just how low do you lot want the team to sink before he gets the bullet? We're heading for relegation right now and drastic change is now needed.
Spot on, we are in relegation form, whatever we did last year, whatever we think of the squad, our current form is relegation form including two home defeats against Yeovil and Sheffield Wednesday, two likely relegation rivals! Five home defeats, this is not a blip, no won in nine is a fifth of the season gone, 4 points out of 27, is it time to go now before you are pushed mr Zola? Wake up watford, but also giving any manager no choice over players, particularly players who may have no English league experience is a dangerous model with no successful precedent! I feel there is an obvious outcome!
[quote][p][bold]Hornets number 12 fan[/bold] wrote: I find it truly amazing the amount of excuses people use instead of admitting that he's not a good manager. Just how low do you lot want the team to sink before he gets the bullet? We're heading for relegation right now and drastic change is now needed.[/p][/quote]Spot on, we are in relegation form, whatever we did last year, whatever we think of the squad, our current form is relegation form including two home defeats against Yeovil and Sheffield Wednesday, two likely relegation rivals! Five home defeats, this is not a blip, no won in nine is a fifth of the season gone, 4 points out of 27, is it time to go now before you are pushed mr Zola? Wake up watford, but also giving any manager no choice over players, particularly players who may have no English league experience is a dangerous model with no successful precedent! I feel there is an obvious outcome! Meridenman

10:51pm Sat 14 Dec 13

watford1881 says...

The Watford Warbler wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
The Watford Warbler wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
The Watford Warbler wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
The Watford Warbler wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
The Watford Warbler wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
These players are over rated pansies at best.. No strength.. Falling over all the time.. Rubbish to blame Zola.. Who would want to take over Watford under the system we ask managers too.. No British manager would come near.. Managers not in control of buying and choosing playing staff does not work.. Pozzos if U want Watford to go to thenext level U must treat Watford as the English club we are.. We are NOT Spanish or Italian.. We are Watford and in this country we do things a little different to the rest of the world.. That's what makes English football the best.. Give Zola a budget and let him spend it.. Nani is no judge of good enough footballers...
1881 you know nothing about football, if you want 11 strong men running round like idiots sling your hook down to Barnet and go watch the scaracens. He has the best players we've had since the 80s.The squad we have now is better than gts team that won the play offs and better than bothroyds who now manages in league 2. If you get your wish maybe next year in league 1 we can get warnock in.We can kick people and punt the ball up in the air, you'll love it
With this system and these current players we will go down.. Zola needs a assistant with experience.. U know nothing my friend.. Without trying to be controversial say something that makes sense.. Being the fool u are that may be difficult...
The system is zolas,he has admitted in the past he dosent have a plan b he has continually said it's not the system or formation why we are losing he has said he won't change the way we play as it's the Watford way(its not the Watford way it's the zola way, I know this as I was at Watford a long time before zola and will be there a long time after) and he has said today that he is unsure if he is the man to take us forward. Yet here you are trying to make sure he stays Watford manager. Moi a fool? How come I've sussed you out inside 5 minutes 1881 = Luton scummer in disguise! THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU!
OK.. Very sad person U are.. Bet you've never even been to a Derby match.. Too busy playing with your train set.. Get your homework done or your get lines U sad sad person..
I was at Kenilworth rd for the 1st time Watford had won there in a decade when we smashed you mugs 4-0 with taylors title winning side. Bet you cried in to your bovril that day. The only train I've played with was a Luton train that went over the hill the brakes failed they all got killed. Ahhhhhh! 1881 is a Luton fan THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU!
So U are a little one.. Bless.. Well it very late now.. Passed ten so get your Jim jams on and brush your teeth.. Say Nite Nite.. Then do one.. FA Cup reply mean anything to U son.. Thought not.. Ask ya dad about it..
Sorry lost interest in your post after the 1st line didn't bother reading the rest. You keep making your sarcastic personal comments about people and I will talk about football. #1881isalutonfan THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU!
Stay out of my way and all will be rosey.. Have fun womble..
Wombles are Wimbledon we are Watford the hornets you fool. I will be staying out of your way as we won't be playing Luton any time soon! Keep the personal comments comming it makes me laugh. My boys me be in a bad run right now but we are in the championship andyour in the non league skrill divisions hahahahahaha #1881isalutonfan THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU!
U really have the intellect of a blackcurrant don't you?? Your about as Watford as a pack of Jeffa Cakes.. This Womble has exposed you is quite original.. Now get back to the common and recycle your Panini stickers.. #warblerisamuppet
[quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: These players are over rated pansies at best.. No strength.. Falling over all the time.. Rubbish to blame Zola.. Who would want to take over Watford under the system we ask managers too.. No British manager would come near.. Managers not in control of buying and choosing playing staff does not work.. Pozzos if U want Watford to go to thenext level U must treat Watford as the English club we are.. We are NOT Spanish or Italian.. We are Watford and in this country we do things a little different to the rest of the world.. That's what makes English football the best.. Give Zola a budget and let him spend it.. Nani is no judge of good enough footballers...[/p][/quote]1881 you know nothing about football, if you want 11 strong men running round like idiots sling your hook down to Barnet and go watch the scaracens. He has the best players we've had since the 80s.The squad we have now is better than gts team that won the play offs and better than bothroyds who now manages in league 2. If you get your wish maybe next year in league 1 we can get warnock in.We can kick people and punt the ball up in the air, you'll love it[/p][/quote]With this system and these current players we will go down.. Zola needs a assistant with experience.. U know nothing my friend.. Without trying to be controversial say something that makes sense.. Being the fool u are that may be difficult...[/p][/quote]The system is zolas,he has admitted in the past he dosent have a plan b he has continually said it's not the system or formation why we are losing he has said he won't change the way we play as it's the Watford way(its not the Watford way it's the zola way, I know this as I was at Watford a long time before zola and will be there a long time after) and he has said today that he is unsure if he is the man to take us forward. Yet here you are trying to make sure he stays Watford manager. Moi a fool? How come I've sussed you out inside 5 minutes 1881 = Luton scummer in disguise! THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU![/p][/quote]OK.. Very sad person U are.. Bet you've never even been to a Derby match.. Too busy playing with your train set.. Get your homework done or your get lines U sad sad person..[/p][/quote]I was at Kenilworth rd for the 1st time Watford had won there in a decade when we smashed you mugs 4-0 with taylors title winning side. Bet you cried in to your bovril that day. The only train I've played with was a Luton train that went over the hill the brakes failed they all got killed. Ahhhhhh! 1881 is a Luton fan THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU![/p][/quote]So U are a little one.. Bless.. Well it very late now.. Passed ten so get your Jim jams on and brush your teeth.. Say Nite Nite.. Then do one.. FA Cup reply mean anything to U son.. Thought not.. Ask ya dad about it..[/p][/quote]Sorry lost interest in your post after the 1st line didn't bother reading the rest. You keep making your sarcastic personal comments about people and I will talk about football. #1881isalutonfan THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU![/p][/quote]Stay out of my way and all will be rosey.. Have fun womble..[/p][/quote]Wombles are Wimbledon we are Watford the hornets you fool. I will be staying out of your way as we won't be playing Luton any time soon! Keep the personal comments comming it makes me laugh. My boys me be in a bad run right now but we are in the championship andyour in the non league skrill divisions hahahahahaha #1881isalutonfan THE WATFORD WARBLER HAS EXPOSED YOU![/p][/quote]U really have the intellect of a blackcurrant don't you?? Your about as Watford as a pack of Jeffa Cakes.. This Womble has exposed you is quite original.. Now get back to the common and recycle your Panini stickers.. #warblerisamuppet watford1881

11:26pm Sat 14 Dec 13

1234566789 says...

Man from Pinner wrote:
Awful performance today. For me Fitz Hall was our stand out player so with respect that says a lot for the performance. In particular what has happened to the midfield? Surely this is not all due to AA absence?
A huge overhaul is required; may be pie in the sky but bring back JE as player/coach?
The team need some leadership and GZ clearly needs help. Who better to step in other than JE?
Eustace was offered a role of coaching with the odd game playing. He decided to leave to get first team football.

How anyone can say Zola has "no plan b" is an absolute joke. We have seen him play 3-5-2, 4-3-3 and 4-5-1 this season. What more do you want? This run is getting ridiculous and I wouldnt be surprised if he left but surely this how to be more down to player perfornamce than managerial ability given the heights of last season?
[quote][p][bold]Man from Pinner[/bold] wrote: Awful performance today. For me Fitz Hall was our stand out player so with respect that says a lot for the performance. In particular what has happened to the midfield? Surely this is not all due to AA absence? A huge overhaul is required; may be pie in the sky but bring back JE as player/coach? The team need some leadership and GZ clearly needs help. Who better to step in other than JE?[/p][/quote]Eustace was offered a role of coaching with the odd game playing. He decided to leave to get first team football. How anyone can say Zola has "no plan b" is an absolute joke. We have seen him play 3-5-2, 4-3-3 and 4-5-1 this season. What more do you want? This run is getting ridiculous and I wouldnt be surprised if he left but surely this how to be more down to player perfornamce than managerial ability given the heights of last season? 1234566789

11:28pm Sat 14 Dec 13

berkshire orn says...

I remember Alex Ferguson hounded by man u glory hunters back in the day and 26 years down the line they kiss is b**t . I am not saying Zola will be with us in 26 years but he has inproved us by miles in less than 2 seasons. Look at Leicester over 5 seasons trying one of the front runners ? Cardiff took I think 5 years to go up give Zola a chance he will take us to the premiership it might not be this season but I think next season yes get back back on the Zola coaster and enjoy the play offs we will go up next season .IN ZOLA I BELIEVE come on uuuuuuoooorrrnnsss remember were we use to be and how were doing now . WATFORD TILL I DIE
I remember Alex Ferguson hounded by man u glory hunters back in the day and 26 years down the line they kiss is b**t . I am not saying Zola will be with us in 26 years but he has inproved us by miles in less than 2 seasons. Look at Leicester over 5 seasons trying one of the front runners ? Cardiff took I think 5 years to go up give Zola a chance he will take us to the premiership it might not be this season but I think next season yes get back back on the Zola coaster and enjoy the play offs we will go up next season .IN ZOLA I BELIEVE come on uuuuuuoooorrrnnsss remember were we use to be and how were doing now . WATFORD TILL I DIE berkshire orn

11:31pm Sat 14 Dec 13

gloryhornet4 says...

Rookery Veteren wrote:
This veteran wouldn't want the likes of demerit next to him in the trenches. You can mock all you like pal but loyalty is a quality you don't seem to have discovered. Nothing is going for us at the moment. It will change. Zola has made mistakes but he has also given us some of the best football I 've seen in nearly 50 years watching the Horns . I suppose you want Holloway.
The football is NOT good. That is the point. Teams like SW who had not kept a clean sheet all season kept two rows of sandbags in their half and score with the one sniff at goal they were given. At this rate we will be hearing about a game at London Colney against the Reserves and they would lose that. It is not the best football for 50 years as we are being picked off. The pundits are all saying the same thing now - we are trying to walk the ball into the net. GT played the percentage game. 60% of goals are 4 touches or less. Look at the goal today and the goals Yeovil scored in the last home game.

You have your beautiful football BUT you need to mix it up. Man U & Liverpool when winning titles played the passing game mixed in with long ball. We need both in the Championship as we are predictable.
[quote][p][bold]Rookery Veteren[/bold] wrote: This veteran wouldn't want the likes of demerit next to him in the trenches. You can mock all you like pal but loyalty is a quality you don't seem to have discovered. Nothing is going for us at the moment. It will change. Zola has made mistakes but he has also given us some of the best football I 've seen in nearly 50 years watching the Horns . I suppose you want Holloway.[/p][/quote]The football is NOT good. That is the point. Teams like SW who had not kept a clean sheet all season kept two rows of sandbags in their half and score with the one sniff at goal they were given. At this rate we will be hearing about a game at London Colney against the Reserves and they would lose that. It is not the best football for 50 years as we are being picked off. The pundits are all saying the same thing now - we are trying to walk the ball into the net. GT played the percentage game. 60% of goals are 4 touches or less. Look at the goal today and the goals Yeovil scored in the last home game. You have your beautiful football BUT you need to mix it up. Man U & Liverpool when winning titles played the passing game mixed in with long ball. We need both in the Championship as we are predictable. gloryhornet4

11:40pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Poppet Bear says...

Amazing where all the " In the Pozzo's we trust" mob have gone. Everything's not perfect but we're still better off. Would you rather they pulled out? I don't think so.
Amazing where all the " In the Pozzo's we trust" mob have gone. Everything's not perfect but we're still better off. Would you rather they pulled out? I don't think so. Poppet Bear

11:44pm Sat 14 Dec 13

buck-stops says...

It was never going to be a cake walk this season and on reflection i too have been guilty of thinking it might be. This is GFZ's first major challenge since he arrived. He's got to sort it out, for his own long term managerial credibility as much as saving our season from mediocrity. But the guy deserves our support and the Pozzo's for that matter. He's coped with a lot. Remember the bloated squad at the beginning of last season? And how he managed to make those individuals gel?

What's the worst that can happen? Relegation? Come off it. No way. Maybe we'll have to settle for mid table. If that's the case I'd still much rather he stayed and re-built for a longer term challenge.
It was never going to be a cake walk this season and on reflection i too have been guilty of thinking it might be. This is GFZ's first major challenge since he arrived. He's got to sort it out, for his own long term managerial credibility as much as saving our season from mediocrity. But the guy deserves our support and the Pozzo's for that matter. He's coped with a lot. Remember the bloated squad at the beginning of last season? And how he managed to make those individuals gel? What's the worst that can happen? Relegation? Come off it. No way. Maybe we'll have to settle for mid table. If that's the case I'd still much rather he stayed and re-built for a longer term challenge. buck-stops

11:48pm Sat 14 Dec 13

berkshire orn says...

IN THE POZZOS I TRUST IN ZOLA I BELIEVE . STEVE CLARKE SACKED BY WEST BROM TONIGHT WELCOME BACK MR VYDRA JUST IN TIME FOR A BIG RUN come on u ooooorrrnnnss WE ARE GOING UP AND WE ARE GOING UP
IN THE POZZOS I TRUST IN ZOLA I BELIEVE . STEVE CLARKE SACKED BY WEST BROM TONIGHT WELCOME BACK MR VYDRA JUST IN TIME FOR A BIG RUN come on u ooooorrrnnnss WE ARE GOING UP AND WE ARE GOING UP berkshire orn

11:52pm Sat 14 Dec 13

KeithMercer says...

Shouldnt really rise to this complete MOron ! but WATFORD WARBLER you are a complete pathetic wan**r !! now F"*k off and do one and stop wasting everyone elses time with your INANE WARBLING !!
Shouldnt really rise to this complete MOron ! but WATFORD WARBLER you are a complete pathetic wan**r !! now F"*k off and do one and stop wasting everyone elses time with your INANE WARBLING !! KeithMercer

11:54pm Sat 14 Dec 13

maximus hornetus says...

Something is obviously badly wrong here. There is a lack of leadership on field and everyone is underperforming. There is no intensity or pace in our play. Confidence seems shot. Whether this stems from the dressing room or the coaching staff is unclear but ultimately Zola is responsible. No offence to Sheffield Weds but they are an average side that a decent promotion chasing team should put away, but that game today was relegation fodder. I thought we would miss Chalobah's vision this season and so it has come to pass together with losing Hogg and Abdi at the same time. The current midfield gets outfought, can't retain possession and creates little. Deeney is isolated and needs a strike partner but Forestieri, for me, will never be clinical enough to provide that.
Something is obviously badly wrong here. There is a lack of leadership on field and everyone is underperforming. There is no intensity or pace in our play. Confidence seems shot. Whether this stems from the dressing room or the coaching staff is unclear but ultimately Zola is responsible. No offence to Sheffield Weds but they are an average side that a decent promotion chasing team should put away, but that game today was relegation fodder. I thought we would miss Chalobah's vision this season and so it has come to pass together with losing Hogg and Abdi at the same time. The current midfield gets outfought, can't retain possession and creates little. Deeney is isolated and needs a strike partner but Forestieri, for me, will never be clinical enough to provide that. maximus hornetus

12:00am Sun 15 Dec 13

Dino1982 says...

wheelsonfire wrote:
Grim. I know it looks bad, or worse than bad, but I for one hope he stays. The football we have seen ove the past two seasons are the best ever seen at the Vic.
Something is wrong at the club though and needs sorting. We could have played until Sunday night and still not scored. FF was the only one who looked like he might, and Murray for the only guy playing to his potential.
What has happened to Deeney? From one of our star players last season back to the player he was the season before. From potential Premiership striker to a player who would find it hard to get into a poor first division team!! Can't just be the fact that Vydra isn't there surely.
The whole thing is so frustrating and I have no idea what the answer is and I don't think the management do either!
I think Deeney is a major problem. Apparently he has had some disagreements in the dressing room with other players, been upset at the start of the season as he wanted to leave.
I hear he doesn't get on with a few players.
When you start getting unrest like that from players it affects everything.
I think this is part of the problem.
We have had some bad luck with a few decisions and injuries also.

The other thing change we have had and has had a big difference is Zola coach.
I think the coaches last year had more of an impact than the year.
[quote][p][bold]wheelsonfire[/bold] wrote: Grim. I know it looks bad, or worse than bad, but I for one hope he stays. The football we have seen ove the past two seasons are the best ever seen at the Vic. Something is wrong at the club though and needs sorting. We could have played until Sunday night and still not scored. FF was the only one who looked like he might, and Murray for the only guy playing to his potential. What has happened to Deeney? From one of our star players last season back to the player he was the season before. From potential Premiership striker to a player who would find it hard to get into a poor first division team!! Can't just be the fact that Vydra isn't there surely. The whole thing is so frustrating and I have no idea what the answer is and I don't think the management do either![/p][/quote]I think Deeney is a major problem. Apparently he has had some disagreements in the dressing room with other players, been upset at the start of the season as he wanted to leave. I hear he doesn't get on with a few players. When you start getting unrest like that from players it affects everything. I think this is part of the problem. We have had some bad luck with a few decisions and injuries also. The other thing change we have had and has had a big difference is Zola coach. I think the coaches last year had more of an impact than the year. Dino1982

12:10am Sun 15 Dec 13

bushey tales says...

Where's Luton Down and his apostles when you need them? He could sort this out in no time. In fact everything was going so well while he was referring to anyone still undecided about the new regime as 'Moaning, Dyche-loving muppets.' Just a few on here suggested we should perhaps give it a little time before hailing Duxbury and Nani as necessarily the best thing that had ever happened to our club. I think we've probably now seen enough to express an opinion.
Where's Luton Down and his apostles when you need them? He could sort this out in no time. In fact everything was going so well while he was referring to anyone still undecided about the new regime as 'Moaning, Dyche-loving muppets.' Just a few on here suggested we should perhaps give it a little time before hailing Duxbury and Nani as necessarily the best thing that had ever happened to our club. I think we've probably now seen enough to express an opinion. bushey tales

12:52am Sun 15 Dec 13

No Wheels says...

stevet93 wrote:
What I mean is Deeney being a loan striker is that he was on his own up front of course I know we own him.
erm, lone stiker?
[quote][p][bold]stevet93[/bold] wrote: What I mean is Deeney being a loan striker is that he was on his own up front of course I know we own him.[/p][/quote]erm, lone stiker? No Wheels

12:53am Sun 15 Dec 13

No Wheels says...

^^^ lone striker, ahem
^^^ lone striker, ahem No Wheels

1:03am Sun 15 Dec 13

PedroHornet says...

When I criticised Sean Dyche's sacking in these pages at the beginning of last season, I was slagged off by a number of "fans" who thought Zola walked on water and he was the best thing since ............

Now look at the difference between the two managers and corresponding league positions. Why, why, why did the Pozzos get rid of Dyche when it was obvious his management and coaching skills were improving all the time? What are they thinking now?

Our results are now turning out to be a major embarrassment, losing to the two bottom teams on the spin one of which had conceded in all games and failed to win any away games until today. Plus losing 5 on the trot without scoring in the last 4.

Do we really want to see our team struggling to stay in the Championship? COME ON MESSRS POZZO, YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING NOW TO STOP THE SHAME AND AVOID THE DROP.
When I criticised Sean Dyche's sacking in these pages at the beginning of last season, I was slagged off by a number of "fans" who thought Zola walked on water and he was the best thing since ............ Now look at the difference between the two managers and corresponding league positions. Why, why, why did the Pozzos get rid of Dyche when it was obvious his management and coaching skills were improving all the time? What are they thinking now? Our results are now turning out to be a major embarrassment, losing to the two bottom teams on the spin one of which had conceded in all games and failed to win any away games until today. Plus losing 5 on the trot without scoring in the last 4. Do we really want to see our team struggling to stay in the Championship? COME ON MESSRS POZZO, YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING NOW TO STOP THE SHAME AND AVOID THE DROP. PedroHornet

1:47am Sun 15 Dec 13

Cj4wfc says...

I still have faith in Zola! We are in the middle of a bad patch, the last thing we need is a change in management and system. One good spell is all we need to get that confidence back!
I still have faith in Zola! We are in the middle of a bad patch, the last thing we need is a change in management and system. One good spell is all we need to get that confidence back! Cj4wfc

6:32am Sun 15 Dec 13

Boosey says...

Zola won't get sacked, he will either resign or given that option in the near future, if performances don't improve.
Zola won't get sacked, he will either resign or given that option in the near future, if performances don't improve. Boosey

7:03am Sun 15 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

The Watford Warbler wrote:
KeithMercer wrote:
Shouldnt really rise to this complete MOron ! but WATFORD WARBLER you are a complete pathetic wan**r !! now F"*k off and do one and stop wasting everyone elses time with your INANE WARBLING !!
Keith Mincer your grammar is terrible, I am not going to point out all of your mistakes because I am a busy man but its moron not MOron you moron. Now stop wasting everyone's time
If that's really the best you've got Warbler then I suggest that you take Keith's advice and go do one.
[quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Shouldnt really rise to this complete MOron ! but WATFORD WARBLER you are a complete pathetic wan**r !! now F"*k off and do one and stop wasting everyone elses time with your INANE WARBLING !![/p][/quote]Keith Mincer your grammar is terrible, I am not going to point out all of your mistakes because I am a busy man but its moron not MOron you moron. Now stop wasting everyone's time[/p][/quote]If that's really the best you've got Warbler then I suggest that you take Keith's advice and go do one. SAHornet

7:52am Sun 15 Dec 13

Scullion says...

Be careful what you wish for people. Today we didn't have one bit of luck at all....nothing went our way. Sacking Zola isn't the answer. Who would replace him...Warnock, holloway are free..... Yes exactly. No thank you. Trust in him and give him time. And a better No 2 maybe!
Be careful what you wish for people. Today we didn't have one bit of luck at all....nothing went our way. Sacking Zola isn't the answer. Who would replace him...Warnock, holloway are free..... Yes exactly. No thank you. Trust in him and give him time. And a better No 2 maybe! Scullion

9:45am Sun 15 Dec 13

Dunstable says...

stevet93 wrote:
What I mean is Deeney being a loan striker is that he was on his own up front of course I know we own him.
Lone, as in lone ranger
[quote][p][bold]stevet93[/bold] wrote: What I mean is Deeney being a loan striker is that he was on his own up front of course I know we own him.[/p][/quote]Lone, as in lone ranger Dunstable

9:56am Sun 15 Dec 13

bristol hornet says...

mooneysmagic wrote:
Regrettably nice men don't make successful managers. Time to fall on his sword.
Great footballer.
Great and lovely man.
But poor manager.....ask West Ham!
Taxi for Mr Zola I fear.
[quote][p][bold]mooneysmagic[/bold] wrote: Regrettably nice men don't make successful managers. Time to fall on his sword.[/p][/quote]Great footballer. Great and lovely man. But poor manager.....ask West Ham! Taxi for Mr Zola I fear. bristol hornet

10:05am Sun 15 Dec 13

bristol hornet says...

SAHornet wrote:
Well, for what it's worth this is what I think:- The Pozzo's model is to chuck loads of players at GZ and say, "there you go, develop some of these guys so that we can sell them on at a profit". It's the way they operate, pure and simple. GZ has no influence on player recruitment in the club. Maybe it will be difficult to find another good manager who would be willing to work under those circumstances. We bang on about our current squad being the best in The Champ but clearly it's not and I would include Troy Deeney in that scenario too. Our players are not good enough for The Champ. FF, DF,DFar, Iriney, MC,JE etc etc are simply not cutting it at this level. The only players that truly shine are IA, AA, JB and one or two others. In GZ we have a manager that could take us to the heights if only he had the correct players to choose from and a decent back-room staff to support him.
You need to read the other article before spouting such nonsense!
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Well, for what it's worth this is what I think:- The Pozzo's model is to chuck loads of players at GZ and say, "there you go, develop some of these guys so that we can sell them on at a profit". It's the way they operate, pure and simple. GZ has no influence on player recruitment in the club. Maybe it will be difficult to find another good manager who would be willing to work under those circumstances. We bang on about our current squad being the best in The Champ but clearly it's not and I would include Troy Deeney in that scenario too. Our players are not good enough for The Champ. FF, DF,DFar, Iriney, MC,JE etc etc are simply not cutting it at this level. The only players that truly shine are IA, AA, JB and one or two others. In GZ we have a manager that could take us to the heights if only he had the correct players to choose from and a decent back-room staff to support him.[/p][/quote]You need to read the other article before spouting such nonsense! bristol hornet

10:29am Sun 15 Dec 13

Carpo2013 says...

20th April 4-0 Blackburn, 12th May - 3-1 Leicester, 10th Aug - 6-1 Bournemouth, 21st Sept 5-1 Barnsley etc etc. How quickly some people forget! Ok, I know that the current run is a mess and that results are very poor, but a manager doesn't suddenly become poor! Think back to last season. Think how proud you were of our team. Think about the football we played. Think about how much you all loved Zola and how proud you were to have Zola as the manager. We have lots of injuries at the moment, confidence is low and the team is changing lots. No Abdi, Doyley, Angella, Almunia etc. Iriney apparently had the best stats of passing and was this amazing player who sat in front of the defence yet he isn't playing either at the moment. Mugugan didn't start yesterday and Esktrand couldn't play. Think of the games earlier this season when we were winning - all playing. No, 4 players currently injured aren't going to suddenly make us world beaters, but things are going bad and we have to work through it, support the team and things will come good again. Brighton game - should have been 2-0 up just into 2nd half but the ref didn't give it and ball went over line, Middlesbrough we let a goal in in injury time. Yesterday, should have had a goal that wasn't offside. Little things but all add up. Keep the faith and Zola and hopefully things will get sorted soon.
20th April 4-0 Blackburn, 12th May - 3-1 Leicester, 10th Aug - 6-1 Bournemouth, 21st Sept 5-1 Barnsley etc etc. How quickly some people forget! Ok, I know that the current run is a mess and that results are very poor, but a manager doesn't suddenly become poor! Think back to last season. Think how proud you were of our team. Think about the football we played. Think about how much you all loved Zola and how proud you were to have Zola as the manager. We have lots of injuries at the moment, confidence is low and the team is changing lots. No Abdi, Doyley, Angella, Almunia etc. Iriney apparently had the best stats of passing and was this amazing player who sat in front of the defence yet he isn't playing either at the moment. Mugugan didn't start yesterday and Esktrand couldn't play. Think of the games earlier this season when we were winning - all playing. No, 4 players currently injured aren't going to suddenly make us world beaters, but things are going bad and we have to work through it, support the team and things will come good again. Brighton game - should have been 2-0 up just into 2nd half but the ref didn't give it and ball went over line, Middlesbrough we let a goal in in injury time. Yesterday, should have had a goal that wasn't offside. Little things but all add up. Keep the faith and Zola and hopefully things will get sorted soon. Carpo2013

12:15pm Sun 15 Dec 13

JohnnyHornet says...

84AGAIN wrote:
Think like most supporters I do not have any answers to this and each week that we lose or draw just adds to the frustration. These are just observations but reckon the likes of Hogg ,Hoban and Chalobah are still missed, not sure about Eustace as he played so few matches towards end of the season. There seems to be so little sign of the great breakaway moves that got us so many goals last season and we still miss a Vydra type player for finishing those type of moves that were such a major part of our play last year. Seems to be lots of great passing around the midfield with no end product, understandable given that we lack that element of surprise that made things so exciting last year. Do I think Zola should go? I am on record on these pages in stating support for him and still not convinced that it is the answer but something needs changing, refreshing and it is not the East stand!
Eustace was the rock and liaison between manager and players last year sorely missed.
[quote][p][bold]84AGAIN[/bold] wrote: Think like most supporters I do not have any answers to this and each week that we lose or draw just adds to the frustration. These are just observations but reckon the likes of Hogg ,Hoban and Chalobah are still missed, not sure about Eustace as he played so few matches towards end of the season. There seems to be so little sign of the great breakaway moves that got us so many goals last season and we still miss a Vydra type player for finishing those type of moves that were such a major part of our play last year. Seems to be lots of great passing around the midfield with no end product, understandable given that we lack that element of surprise that made things so exciting last year. Do I think Zola should go? I am on record on these pages in stating support for him and still not convinced that it is the answer but something needs changing, refreshing and it is not the East stand![/p][/quote]Eustace was the rock and liaison between manager and players last year sorely missed. JohnnyHornet

12:15pm Sun 15 Dec 13

onion8837 says...

Scullion wrote:
Be careful what you wish for people. Today we didn't have one bit of luck at all....nothing went our way. Sacking Zola isn't the answer. Who would replace him...Warnock, holloway are free..... Yes exactly. No thank you. Trust in him and give him time. And a better No 2 maybe!
Very little to do with today - we haven't won since early Oct, 4 points out of 27. If you add in some very shaky form in March and April, this has been a long time coming. In fact, if you remove Vydra's purple patch in Nov/ Dec / Jan our form as been little better than relegation form since he arrived

The justification for keeping him seems to be based on the fact that this is a temporary blip - maybe it is the other way round and the good bits of last season were the blip ? West Ham fans would certainly share that view of GFZ's management
[quote][p][bold]Scullion[/bold] wrote: Be careful what you wish for people. Today we didn't have one bit of luck at all....nothing went our way. Sacking Zola isn't the answer. Who would replace him...Warnock, holloway are free..... Yes exactly. No thank you. Trust in him and give him time. And a better No 2 maybe![/p][/quote]Very little to do with today - we haven't won since early Oct, 4 points out of 27. If you add in some very shaky form in March and April, this has been a long time coming. In fact, if you remove Vydra's purple patch in Nov/ Dec / Jan our form as been little better than relegation form since he arrived The justification for keeping him seems to be based on the fact that this is a temporary blip - maybe it is the other way round and the good bits of last season were the blip ? West Ham fans would certainly share that view of GFZ's management onion8837

12:31pm Sun 15 Dec 13

dazza 1 says...

JohnnyHornet wrote:
84AGAIN wrote: Think like most supporters I do not have any answers to this and each week that we lose or draw just adds to the frustration. These are just observations but reckon the likes of Hogg ,Hoban and Chalobah are still missed, not sure about Eustace as he played so few matches towards end of the season. There seems to be so little sign of the great breakaway moves that got us so many goals last season and we still miss a Vydra type player for finishing those type of moves that were such a major part of our play last year. Seems to be lots of great passing around the midfield with no end product, understandable given that we lack that element of surprise that made things so exciting last year. Do I think Zola should go? I am on record on these pages in stating support for him and still not convinced that it is the answer but something needs changing, refreshing and it is not the East stand!
Eustace was the rock and liaison between manager and players last year sorely missed.
hi everyone,i am like the rest of us in turmoil..i think the problem this season as bin no chalobah,vydra,hogg etc,last season chal and vydra where on fire early on and we got into a good momentom,,this season im sorry to say the team not strong enough,deeney misses that other class forward to work like him,forriesteri just not got it,as soon as they all signed perm they are just not upto championship level,,or is it that everyone now knows how we play,maybe,,
i like zola but the man i think as run out of ideas,,simple,
please no warnock or holloway tho
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]84AGAIN[/bold] wrote: Think like most supporters I do not have any answers to this and each week that we lose or draw just adds to the frustration. These are just observations but reckon the likes of Hogg ,Hoban and Chalobah are still missed, not sure about Eustace as he played so few matches towards end of the season. There seems to be so little sign of the great breakaway moves that got us so many goals last season and we still miss a Vydra type player for finishing those type of moves that were such a major part of our play last year. Seems to be lots of great passing around the midfield with no end product, understandable given that we lack that element of surprise that made things so exciting last year. Do I think Zola should go? I am on record on these pages in stating support for him and still not convinced that it is the answer but something needs changing, refreshing and it is not the East stand![/p][/quote]Eustace was the rock and liaison between manager and players last year sorely missed.[/p][/quote]hi everyone,i am like the rest of us in turmoil..i think the problem this season as bin no chalobah,vydra,hogg etc,last season chal and vydra where on fire early on and we got into a good momentom,,this season im sorry to say the team not strong enough,deeney misses that other class forward to work like him,forriesteri just not got it,as soon as they all signed perm they are just not upto championship level,,or is it that everyone now knows how we play,maybe,, i like zola but the man i think as run out of ideas,,simple, please no warnock or holloway tho dazza 1

3:54pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Harry's Bar says...

onion8837 wrote:
Scullion wrote:
Be careful what you wish for people. Today we didn't have one bit of luck at all....nothing went our way. Sacking Zola isn't the answer. Who would replace him...Warnock, holloway are free..... Yes exactly. No thank you. Trust in him and give him time. And a better No 2 maybe!
Very little to do with today - we haven't won since early Oct, 4 points out of 27. If you add in some very shaky form in March and April, this has been a long time coming. In fact, if you remove Vydra's purple patch in Nov/ Dec / Jan our form as been little better than relegation form since he arrived

The justification for keeping him seems to be based on the fact that this is a temporary blip - maybe it is the other way round and the good bits of last season were the blip ? West Ham fans would certainly share that view of GFZ's management
The Hammers fan I spoke to thought Zola got stitched up at West Ham.
[quote][p][bold]onion8837[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scullion[/bold] wrote: Be careful what you wish for people. Today we didn't have one bit of luck at all....nothing went our way. Sacking Zola isn't the answer. Who would replace him...Warnock, holloway are free..... Yes exactly. No thank you. Trust in him and give him time. And a better No 2 maybe![/p][/quote]Very little to do with today - we haven't won since early Oct, 4 points out of 27. If you add in some very shaky form in March and April, this has been a long time coming. In fact, if you remove Vydra's purple patch in Nov/ Dec / Jan our form as been little better than relegation form since he arrived The justification for keeping him seems to be based on the fact that this is a temporary blip - maybe it is the other way round and the good bits of last season were the blip ? West Ham fans would certainly share that view of GFZ's management[/p][/quote]The Hammers fan I spoke to thought Zola got stitched up at West Ham. Harry's Bar

6:37pm Sun 15 Dec 13

demerit says...

The Watford Warbler wrote:
KeithMercer wrote:
Shouldnt really rise to this complete MOron ! but WATFORD WARBLER you are a complete pathetic wan**r !! now F"*k off and do one and stop wasting everyone elses time with your INANE WARBLING !!
Keith Mincer your grammar is terrible, I am not going to point out all of your mistakes because I am a busy man but its moron not MOron you moron. Now stop wasting everyone's time
I had a go at you too WW but I will take it back. Your initial post was so cringy I had to, especially in the mood I'm in at the moment. At the end of the day, until Zola does one, we will not turn it around, not a hope.
[quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Shouldnt really rise to this complete MOron ! but WATFORD WARBLER you are a complete pathetic wan**r !! now F"*k off and do one and stop wasting everyone elses time with your INANE WARBLING !![/p][/quote]Keith Mincer your grammar is terrible, I am not going to point out all of your mistakes because I am a busy man but its moron not MOron you moron. Now stop wasting everyone's time[/p][/quote]I had a go at you too WW but I will take it back. Your initial post was so cringy I had to, especially in the mood I'm in at the moment. At the end of the day, until Zola does one, we will not turn it around, not a hope. demerit

8:55pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Chris the Vic says...

They shout "we need a striker" but we scored three away from home against a team that has risen into a play off position.

The manager hasn't a clue but last year he had.

Injury after injury have dogged us...too many have been long term...maybe GFZ has had his day but we all need luck....for me the issue is a lack of craft on the wings and in midfield at breaking teams down when they pack their defence...we are missing a clever midfielder but he is about to return come the end of January many will say thank goodness we stuck by GFZ and the noisy supporters on here may actually then be heard to support the team at home. At the moment we have possibly the poorest team at home in the football league but we certainly have the worst home support in football. Cut the blame game and look in a mirror.
They shout "we need a striker" but we scored three away from home against a team that has risen into a play off position. The manager hasn't a clue but last year he had. Injury after injury have dogged us...too many have been long term...maybe GFZ has had his day but we all need luck....for me the issue is a lack of craft on the wings and in midfield at breaking teams down when they pack their defence...we are missing a clever midfielder but he is about to return come the end of January many will say thank goodness we stuck by GFZ and the noisy supporters on here may actually then be heard to support the team at home. At the moment we have possibly the poorest team at home in the football league but we certainly have the worst home support in football. Cut the blame game and look in a mirror. Chris the Vic

9:08pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

demerit wrote:
The Watford Warbler wrote:
KeithMercer wrote:
Shouldnt really rise to this complete MOron ! but WATFORD WARBLER you are a complete pathetic wan**r !! now F"*k off and do one and stop wasting everyone elses time with your INANE WARBLING !!
Keith Mincer your grammar is terrible, I am not going to point out all of your mistakes because I am a busy man but its moron not MOron you moron. Now stop wasting everyone's time
I had a go at you too WW but I will take it back. Your initial post was so cringy I had to, especially in the mood I'm in at the moment. At the end of the day, until Zola does one, we will not turn it around, not a hope.
Agreed, we are utter fodder and GZ hasn't had a clue since the end of last season. No-one, but no-one, can say he deserves to be in a job.
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Shouldnt really rise to this complete MOron ! but WATFORD WARBLER you are a complete pathetic wan**r !! now F"*k off and do one and stop wasting everyone elses time with your INANE WARBLING !![/p][/quote]Keith Mincer your grammar is terrible, I am not going to point out all of your mistakes because I am a busy man but its moron not MOron you moron. Now stop wasting everyone's time[/p][/quote]I had a go at you too WW but I will take it back. Your initial post was so cringy I had to, especially in the mood I'm in at the moment. At the end of the day, until Zola does one, we will not turn it around, not a hope.[/p][/quote]Agreed, we are utter fodder and GZ hasn't had a clue since the end of last season. No-one, but no-one, can say he deserves to be in a job. Hornet Cornet

11:34pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

The Watford Warbler wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
The Watford Warbler wrote:
KeithMercer wrote:
Shouldnt really rise to this complete MOron ! but WATFORD WARBLER you are a complete pathetic wan**r !! now F"*k off and do one and stop wasting everyone elses time with your INANE WARBLING !!
Keith Mincer your grammar is terrible, I am not going to point out all of your mistakes because I am a busy man but its moron not MOron you moron. Now stop wasting everyone's time
If that's really the best you've got Warbler then I suggest that you take Keith's advice and go do one.
Sahornet even on a bad day I'm good enough, despite all the abuse and name calling and bullying aimed at me I'm not going to let little bullies stop me defending the honour of Watford zola has to go its the best thing for the club bully boy!!! YOU CAN'T SILENCE THE WATFORD WARBLER!!
Warbles, I salute you and the fact that you stand by your beliefs
[quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watford Warbler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Shouldnt really rise to this complete MOron ! but WATFORD WARBLER you are a complete pathetic wan**r !! now F"*k off and do one and stop wasting everyone elses time with your INANE WARBLING !![/p][/quote]Keith Mincer your grammar is terrible, I am not going to point out all of your mistakes because I am a busy man but its moron not MOron you moron. Now stop wasting everyone's time[/p][/quote]If that's really the best you've got Warbler then I suggest that you take Keith's advice and go do one.[/p][/quote]Sahornet even on a bad day I'm good enough, despite all the abuse and name calling and bullying aimed at me I'm not going to let little bullies stop me defending the honour of Watford zola has to go its the best thing for the club bully boy!!! YOU CAN'T SILENCE THE WATFORD WARBLER!![/p][/quote]Warbles, I salute you and the fact that you stand by your beliefs Hornet Cornet

9:09am Mon 16 Dec 13

Harry's Bar says...

bristol hornet wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
Well, for what it's worth this is what I think:- The Pozzo's model is to chuck loads of players at GZ and say, "there you go, develop some of these guys so that we can sell them on at a profit". It's the way they operate, pure and simple. GZ has no influence on player recruitment in the club. Maybe it will be difficult to find another good manager who would be willing to work under those circumstances. We bang on about our current squad being the best in The Champ but clearly it's not and I would include Troy Deeney in that scenario too. Our players are not good enough for The Champ. FF, DF,DFar, Iriney, MC,JE etc etc are simply not cutting it at this level. The only players that truly shine are IA, AA, JB and one or two others. In GZ we have a manager that could take us to the heights if only he had the correct players to choose from and a decent back-room staff to support him.
You need to read the other article before spouting such nonsense!
The other article does suggest that Zola has an influence on player recruitment but I'm not convinced he gets the players he really wants. Remember, we haven't spent one single penny on transfers in 18 months. That means every player Zola has chosen cost nothing... a bit odd.
[quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Well, for what it's worth this is what I think:- The Pozzo's model is to chuck loads of players at GZ and say, "there you go, develop some of these guys so that we can sell them on at a profit". It's the way they operate, pure and simple. GZ has no influence on player recruitment in the club. Maybe it will be difficult to find another good manager who would be willing to work under those circumstances. We bang on about our current squad being the best in The Champ but clearly it's not and I would include Troy Deeney in that scenario too. Our players are not good enough for The Champ. FF, DF,DFar, Iriney, MC,JE etc etc are simply not cutting it at this level. The only players that truly shine are IA, AA, JB and one or two others. In GZ we have a manager that could take us to the heights if only he had the correct players to choose from and a decent back-room staff to support him.[/p][/quote]You need to read the other article before spouting such nonsense![/p][/quote]The other article does suggest that Zola has an influence on player recruitment but I'm not convinced he gets the players he really wants. Remember, we haven't spent one single penny on transfers in 18 months. That means every player Zola has chosen cost nothing... a bit odd. Harry's Bar

1:58pm Mon 16 Dec 13

femalehornet122 says...

I tink these awful eople who cannot see past their noses should not even pretend to be supports. they are not, they are MORONS looking for trouble. So many of them. Where are the true suorters. We have had bad runs before. last year we did a lot better than expected. This year not so good. Stil time for things to change and changing our manager is not what we should be doing. He supports all of the players yet I think some of them are not trying enough. WHY? BECAUSE THE MORONS ARE NOT SUPPORTING BUT FUELING THE FIRE OF DISCONTENT.
GET REAL ALL MORONS AND STOP PRETENDING TO BE SUPPORTERS . WE DO NOT NEED THE LIKES OF YOU AT A MATCH.
MY Husband and I were shuting for watford at the match and we had these young men, ( betting all the time they were there and shouting the odds, swearing at our players constantly ad when I asked them to stop, they suggested that we stopped giving supprt to our players. What kind of people are these. Our bad rud should get us together not allow all these idiiots to try and ferment discontent.
I tink these awful eople who cannot see past their noses should not even pretend to be supports. they are not, they are MORONS looking for trouble. So many of them. Where are the true suorters. We have had bad runs before. last year we did a lot better than expected. This year not so good. Stil time for things to change and changing our manager is not what we should be doing. He supports all of the players yet I think some of them are not trying enough. WHY? BECAUSE THE MORONS ARE NOT SUPPORTING BUT FUELING THE FIRE OF DISCONTENT. GET REAL ALL MORONS AND STOP PRETENDING TO BE SUPPORTERS . WE DO NOT NEED THE LIKES OF YOU AT A MATCH. MY Husband and I were shuting for watford at the match and we had these young men, ( betting all the time they were there and shouting the odds, swearing at our players constantly ad when I asked them to stop, they suggested that we stopped giving supprt to our players. What kind of people are these. Our bad rud should get us together not allow all these idiiots to try and ferment discontent. femalehornet122

2:21pm Mon 16 Dec 13

KeithMercer says...

femalehornet122 wrote:
I tink these awful eople who cannot see past their noses should not even pretend to be supports. they are not, they are MORONS looking for trouble. So many of them. Where are the true suorters. We have had bad runs before. last year we did a lot better than expected. This year not so good. Stil time for things to change and changing our manager is not what we should be doing. He supports all of the players yet I think some of them are not trying enough. WHY? BECAUSE THE MORONS ARE NOT SUPPORTING BUT FUELING THE FIRE OF DISCONTENT.
GET REAL ALL MORONS AND STOP PRETENDING TO BE SUPPORTERS . WE DO NOT NEED THE LIKES OF YOU AT A MATCH.
MY Husband and I were shuting for watford at the match and we had these young men, ( betting all the time they were there and shouting the odds, swearing at our players constantly ad when I asked them to stop, they suggested that we stopped giving supprt to our players. What kind of people are these. Our bad rud should get us together not allow all these idiiots to try and ferment discontent.
Well said Female hornet, hope you feel better for getting that off your chest, I feel your anger and frustration at some of our pathetic supporters ! yes thats you Roger, Comet, Wan* warbler and the others.
We have no divine right to be promoted this season or any season for that matter, but at the first sign of trouble or a rocky patch some of these fools want to bail out and sack the board ! sack the tea lady, sack the manager !!
Real supporters support through thick and thin ! not just when times are good and Wembley tickets are up for grabs. Grow up or Push off and find another glory train to jump on board.
[quote][p][bold]femalehornet122[/bold] wrote: I tink these awful eople who cannot see past their noses should not even pretend to be supports. they are not, they are MORONS looking for trouble. So many of them. Where are the true suorters. We have had bad runs before. last year we did a lot better than expected. This year not so good. Stil time for things to change and changing our manager is not what we should be doing. He supports all of the players yet I think some of them are not trying enough. WHY? BECAUSE THE MORONS ARE NOT SUPPORTING BUT FUELING THE FIRE OF DISCONTENT. GET REAL ALL MORONS AND STOP PRETENDING TO BE SUPPORTERS . WE DO NOT NEED THE LIKES OF YOU AT A MATCH. MY Husband and I were shuting for watford at the match and we had these young men, ( betting all the time they were there and shouting the odds, swearing at our players constantly ad when I asked them to stop, they suggested that we stopped giving supprt to our players. What kind of people are these. Our bad rud should get us together not allow all these idiiots to try and ferment discontent.[/p][/quote]Well said Female hornet, hope you feel better for getting that off your chest, I feel your anger and frustration at some of our pathetic supporters ! yes thats you Roger, Comet, Wan* warbler and the others. We have no divine right to be promoted this season or any season for that matter, but at the first sign of trouble or a rocky patch some of these fools want to bail out and sack the board ! sack the tea lady, sack the manager !! Real supporters support through thick and thin ! not just when times are good and Wembley tickets are up for grabs. Grow up or Push off and find another glory train to jump on board. KeithMercer

4:35pm Mon 16 Dec 13

JonBoy says...

i got called a d1ck by Lutondown for daring to stand by Zola and remain loyal to this team. There seem to be lots of Watford 'supporters' with this mentality. I'm in it for the rough and the smooth, loved it last year when we were scoring for fun and feeling the pain now when we can't score at all. How do you think Zola feels? I'll bet he feels it as much as we do.

Now is the time to stay united and give them our full support.
i got called a d1ck by Lutondown for daring to stand by Zola and remain loyal to this team. There seem to be lots of Watford 'supporters' with this mentality. I'm in it for the rough and the smooth, loved it last year when we were scoring for fun and feeling the pain now when we can't score at all. How do you think Zola feels? I'll bet he feels it as much as we do. Now is the time to stay united and give them our full support. JonBoy

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