Watford boss Gianfranco Zola insists he is not thinking about rotating his team for tonight's trip to Burnley

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Watford boss Gianfranco Zola insists he will not be taking upcoming fixtures into consideration when picking his team for tonight’s match at Burnley - who he believes are the “surprise team of the season so far”.

The Hornets go to Turf Moor 12 points and eight places behind their opponents, who have enjoyed an excellent start to the campaign under former Watford manager Sean Dyche.

Zola’s men are playing their second of three games in eight days but the Watford boss insists he is not thinking about rotation.

The Hornets are without a league win in six matches.

“I am only thinking about the Burnley game,” Zola said. “I am not thinking about rotating for Saturday or future matches or anything like that.

“Right now it is important for us to focus on Burnley which, considering the situation, is very, very important.”

Watford made it four home defeats in a row with a shock 3-0 loss to Yeovil Town on Saturday and Zola is pleased tonight’s match comes so soon as he believes it gives the players the chance to bounce back.

He said: “It gives us the opportunity to get back on track as soon as possible so yes, absolutely I am pleased.

“The players know the importance of the moment and they are ready, they want to go out there and perform, I have no doubt about that.”

As is normal between games on Saturday and Tuesday, Watford trained yesterday and Sunday as the players look to iron out the mistakes that have cost them so dear.

Burnley have not been at their sharpest in recent games either – they have not won in their last four league matches – but Zola insists his team are aware of the task they face.

“So far Burnley are the surprise team of the season – they have done very well,” Zola said.

“Considering our recent record at home, it might be better to be playing away but of course playing away from home against Burnley is not going to be an easy task either.

“We are still close to the play-offs but it is more difficult because the expectations were different at the start of the season so when we’re on a bad run like this, it makes everyone edgy.”

He added: “We trained today (Monday) and yesterday (Sunday) and we tried to do a few things that can make a difference so we’ll see, we’re looking forward to it.”

Zola will decide today whether Manuel Almunia and Josh McEachran are well enough to play after the pair missed Saturday’s match due to illness.

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10:24am Tue 3 Dec 13

AngelHornet says...

Does this point to 3-5-2 once again, or is he going to utilise the players from Saturday in a different formation?
Does this point to 3-5-2 once again, or is he going to utilise the players from Saturday in a different formation? AngelHornet

10:33am Tue 3 Dec 13

Nick El Greco says...

Uche Ikpeazu is on the train. I live in hope
Uche Ikpeazu is on the train. I live in hope Nick El Greco

11:53am Tue 3 Dec 13

ChrisG85 says...

Nick El Greco wrote:
Uche Ikpeazu is on the train. I live in hope
So you live in hope that the man under pressure plays a player with no football league experience? Right, I'm sure that is the answer to all of our problems. If he does and it doesn't work out I'm sure Zola will be blasted for it.

By using the players he has from Saturday, they will be in more of a frame of mind to put things right. Whilst players like Battocchio and Hall will be itching to get game time they had no involvement in the actual game Saturday so whilst feeling the loss of Saturday was a bad one, they couldn't have made a difference.

Whilst I feel tonight's game isn't a "must win" game I will say it is a game we can't lose. Burnley are flying and if we can grab a draw then it isn't the end of the world. Right now, whilst a win would be nice playing as a team and building confidence is more important going forward.
[quote][p][bold]Nick El Greco[/bold] wrote: Uche Ikpeazu is on the train. I live in hope[/p][/quote]So you live in hope that the man under pressure plays a player with no football league experience? Right, I'm sure that is the answer to all of our problems. If he does and it doesn't work out I'm sure Zola will be blasted for it. By using the players he has from Saturday, they will be in more of a frame of mind to put things right. Whilst players like Battocchio and Hall will be itching to get game time they had no involvement in the actual game Saturday so whilst feeling the loss of Saturday was a bad one, they couldn't have made a difference. Whilst I feel tonight's game isn't a "must win" game I will say it is a game we can't lose. Burnley are flying and if we can grab a draw then it isn't the end of the world. Right now, whilst a win would be nice playing as a team and building confidence is more important going forward. ChrisG85

12:05pm Tue 3 Dec 13

@julesmckenzie says...

Goal-less draw would be a really good result. Or as BigDave put it in a previous thread "0-1 with a goal off Deeney's backside".

Just not conceding is where I am at right now. Take 11 defenders for me!!!

Ok, and Deeney for the goal off his backside...
Goal-less draw would be a really good result. Or as BigDave put it in a previous thread "0-1 with a goal off Deeney's backside". Just not conceding is where I am at right now. Take 11 defenders for me!!! Ok, and Deeney for the goal off his backside... @julesmckenzie

12:12pm Tue 3 Dec 13

SimmyB says...

Nick El Greco wrote:
Uche Ikpeazu is on the train. I live in hope
So do I!!!!! Thats just me and thee then.
[quote][p][bold]Nick El Greco[/bold] wrote: Uche Ikpeazu is on the train. I live in hope[/p][/quote]So do I!!!!! Thats just me and thee then. SimmyB

12:14pm Tue 3 Dec 13

SimmyB says...

ChrisG85 wrote:
Nick El Greco wrote:
Uche Ikpeazu is on the train. I live in hope
So you live in hope that the man under pressure plays a player with no football league experience? Right, I'm sure that is the answer to all of our problems. If he does and it doesn't work out I'm sure Zola will be blasted for it.

By using the players he has from Saturday, they will be in more of a frame of mind to put things right. Whilst players like Battocchio and Hall will be itching to get game time they had no involvement in the actual game Saturday so whilst feeling the loss of Saturday was a bad one, they couldn't have made a difference.

Whilst I feel tonight's game isn't a "must win" game I will say it is a game we can't lose. Burnley are flying and if we can grab a draw then it isn't the end of the world. Right now, whilst a win would be nice playing as a team and building confidence is more important going forward.
Mensah was given an opportunity so why not Uche? If we have players who are injured and/or underperforming what is the harm in trying Uche. He's huge, stoic and very robust. Have you seen him play?
[quote][p][bold]ChrisG85[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick El Greco[/bold] wrote: Uche Ikpeazu is on the train. I live in hope[/p][/quote]So you live in hope that the man under pressure plays a player with no football league experience? Right, I'm sure that is the answer to all of our problems. If he does and it doesn't work out I'm sure Zola will be blasted for it. By using the players he has from Saturday, they will be in more of a frame of mind to put things right. Whilst players like Battocchio and Hall will be itching to get game time they had no involvement in the actual game Saturday so whilst feeling the loss of Saturday was a bad one, they couldn't have made a difference. Whilst I feel tonight's game isn't a "must win" game I will say it is a game we can't lose. Burnley are flying and if we can grab a draw then it isn't the end of the world. Right now, whilst a win would be nice playing as a team and building confidence is more important going forward.[/p][/quote]Mensah was given an opportunity so why not Uche? If we have players who are injured and/or underperforming what is the harm in trying Uche. He's huge, stoic and very robust. Have you seen him play? SimmyB

12:20pm Tue 3 Dec 13

bigthunder says...

for what it is worth my team on available players

Goalie , either not bothered

faroini
fitz
nos
elkstrand

cassetti , arsenal lad during 2nd half
thorne
mcgugan
FF left side

Murrey behind

Deeney

English spine to team
for what it is worth my team on available players Goalie , either not bothered faroini fitz nos elkstrand cassetti , arsenal lad during 2nd half thorne mcgugan FF left side Murrey behind Deeney English spine to team bigthunder

12:24pm Tue 3 Dec 13

ChrisG85 says...

SimmyB wrote:
ChrisG85 wrote:
Nick El Greco wrote: Uche Ikpeazu is on the train. I live in hope
So you live in hope that the man under pressure plays a player with no football league experience? Right, I'm sure that is the answer to all of our problems. If he does and it doesn't work out I'm sure Zola will be blasted for it. By using the players he has from Saturday, they will be in more of a frame of mind to put things right. Whilst players like Battocchio and Hall will be itching to get game time they had no involvement in the actual game Saturday so whilst feeling the loss of Saturday was a bad one, they couldn't have made a difference. Whilst I feel tonight's game isn't a "must win" game I will say it is a game we can't lose. Burnley are flying and if we can grab a draw then it isn't the end of the world. Right now, whilst a win would be nice playing as a team and building confidence is more important going forward.
Mensah was given an opportunity so why not Uche? If we have players who are injured and/or underperforming what is the harm in trying Uche. He's huge, stoic and very robust. Have you seen him play?
Yes, I've seen him play. The argument for Mensah being involved is valid but Mensah's inclusion in the squad was at the expense of Deeney who was injured. Whilst I 'd like to see those guys get a chance I wouldn't put them in our strongest squad for this game when you have Deeney, Forestieri, Acuna & Fabbrini available even if the latter spends more time slipping over.
[quote][p][bold]SimmyB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisG85[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick El Greco[/bold] wrote: Uche Ikpeazu is on the train. I live in hope[/p][/quote]So you live in hope that the man under pressure plays a player with no football league experience? Right, I'm sure that is the answer to all of our problems. If he does and it doesn't work out I'm sure Zola will be blasted for it. By using the players he has from Saturday, they will be in more of a frame of mind to put things right. Whilst players like Battocchio and Hall will be itching to get game time they had no involvement in the actual game Saturday so whilst feeling the loss of Saturday was a bad one, they couldn't have made a difference. Whilst I feel tonight's game isn't a "must win" game I will say it is a game we can't lose. Burnley are flying and if we can grab a draw then it isn't the end of the world. Right now, whilst a win would be nice playing as a team and building confidence is more important going forward.[/p][/quote]Mensah was given an opportunity so why not Uche? If we have players who are injured and/or underperforming what is the harm in trying Uche. He's huge, stoic and very robust. Have you seen him play?[/p][/quote]Yes, I've seen him play. The argument for Mensah being involved is valid but Mensah's inclusion in the squad was at the expense of Deeney who was injured. Whilst I 'd like to see those guys get a chance I wouldn't put them in our strongest squad for this game when you have Deeney, Forestieri, Acuna & Fabbrini available even if the latter spends more time slipping over. ChrisG85

12:39pm Tue 3 Dec 13

vag1 says...

Delusional Watford fans calling for a change only need look up the M1 at Leicester, who seem to be reaping the rewards of sticking by Pearson.

Right behind Zola and the boys, but I do think he needs to look at alternative options and formations to get out of this sticky patch and improve moving forward, no point playing two up top with options like Fabs/Fessi - let them roam and create - but have some steel and good positional players behind them to let them off the leash.

Team, based on who is available, and playing a 4-2-3-1:

Bond/Almunia

Bellerin/Nos/Ekstran
d/Pudil

Thorne/Iriney

Fessi/Fabbrini/Murra
y

Deeney

In regards to Iriney, yes he has made mistakes, but I personally believe he is a very good player and covers a great deal of ground during a game, he is also great at pressing the opposition when in possession. He also has some of the steel we were lacking, if you look at how easily we were pushed off the ball for the last two goals on Saturday.
Delusional Watford fans calling for a change only need look up the M1 at Leicester, who seem to be reaping the rewards of sticking by Pearson. Right behind Zola and the boys, but I do think he needs to look at alternative options and formations to get out of this sticky patch and improve moving forward, no point playing two up top with options like Fabs/Fessi - let them roam and create - but have some steel and good positional players behind them to let them off the leash. Team, based on who is available, and playing a 4-2-3-1: Bond/Almunia Bellerin/Nos/Ekstran d/Pudil Thorne/Iriney Fessi/Fabbrini/Murra y Deeney In regards to Iriney, yes he has made mistakes, but I personally believe he is a very good player and covers a great deal of ground during a game, he is also great at pressing the opposition when in possession. He also has some of the steel we were lacking, if you look at how easily we were pushed off the ball for the last two goals on Saturday. vag1

1:11pm Tue 3 Dec 13

londomollari says...

Watford 'in crisis', Burnley in a loss of form. Probably all that's happened makes this match the most difficult of the season to predict.
Zola knows that the next eight matches or so may decide whether his contract will be renewed at season end---or even if he will be replaced. The Pozzos, if they feel the results are not improving, may want a new manager at the end of the season to give him time to 'acclimatise'. Zola also knows that, despite polite and friendly public statements, Dyche would give his right arm to a charity of your choice to give Watford a thorough tw*nking tonight. Dyche, like all Championship managers, knows how to play against Watford---I suspect he is the type of manager who is not frightened to change tactics and formation. I suspect he may play more like an away side tonight, draw Watford forward and test Watfords defence on the break. Will Zola be flexible? Knowing that Dyche will be particularly anxious to win, will he play a more defensive formation, or will he stick to his principles and usual formation? Zola knows, in the next eight matches, he needs results---he would be delighted with a draw.
I fear for Zolas future if Watford lose badly tonight, and have a poor result at Leeds. We shall see----
Watford 'in crisis', Burnley in a loss of form. Probably all that's happened makes this match the most difficult of the season to predict. Zola knows that the next eight matches or so may decide whether his contract will be renewed at season end---or even if he will be replaced. The Pozzos, if they feel the results are not improving, may want a new manager at the end of the season to give him time to 'acclimatise'. Zola also knows that, despite polite and friendly public statements, Dyche would give his right arm to a charity of your choice to give Watford a thorough tw*nking tonight. Dyche, like all Championship managers, knows how to play against Watford---I suspect he is the type of manager who is not frightened to change tactics and formation. I suspect he may play more like an away side tonight, draw Watford forward and test Watfords defence on the break. Will Zola be flexible? Knowing that Dyche will be particularly anxious to win, will he play a more defensive formation, or will he stick to his principles and usual formation? Zola knows, in the next eight matches, he needs results---he would be delighted with a draw. I fear for Zolas future if Watford lose badly tonight, and have a poor result at Leeds. We shall see---- londomollari

1:14pm Tue 3 Dec 13

londomollari says...

Meant to add, pleased to see that the coin has dropped with Zola, and he is dropping squad rotation for now. Again, a sign he knows the next few matches are make or break.
Meant to add, pleased to see that the coin has dropped with Zola, and he is dropping squad rotation for now. Again, a sign he knows the next few matches are make or break. londomollari

1:17pm Tue 3 Dec 13

neilhorn says...

We need up there and just do whatever it takes to get a result. Pack the midfield, time waste, break up the play, just be cynical really. Last season when we brought the best football ever seen to this division all the other teams did was moan. So let them try and play the football, and we'll just stop them for a change
We need up there and just do whatever it takes to get a result. Pack the midfield, time waste, break up the play, just be cynical really. Last season when we brought the best football ever seen to this division all the other teams did was moan. So let them try and play the football, and we'll just stop them for a change neilhorn

1:33pm Tue 3 Dec 13

rayman01 says...

I doubt that we know how to sit off a team and break back on the counter at the moment. Especially without Anya and Abdi. Stick with most of the team from Saturday including Bond and Bellerin who did very well. Any points tonight welcome. Must defend setpieces better and for Thorne or Iriney to cover backline. Luv the Horns and think possitive!
I doubt that we know how to sit off a team and break back on the counter at the moment. Especially without Anya and Abdi. Stick with most of the team from Saturday including Bond and Bellerin who did very well. Any points tonight welcome. Must defend setpieces better and for Thorne or Iriney to cover backline. Luv the Horns and think possitive! rayman01

1:34pm Tue 3 Dec 13

SimmyB says...

ChrisG85 wrote:
SimmyB wrote:
ChrisG85 wrote:
Nick El Greco wrote: Uche Ikpeazu is on the train. I live in hope
So you live in hope that the man under pressure plays a player with no football league experience? Right, I'm sure that is the answer to all of our problems. If he does and it doesn't work out I'm sure Zola will be blasted for it. By using the players he has from Saturday, they will be in more of a frame of mind to put things right. Whilst players like Battocchio and Hall will be itching to get game time they had no involvement in the actual game Saturday so whilst feeling the loss of Saturday was a bad one, they couldn't have made a difference. Whilst I feel tonight's game isn't a "must win" game I will say it is a game we can't lose. Burnley are flying and if we can grab a draw then it isn't the end of the world. Right now, whilst a win would be nice playing as a team and building confidence is more important going forward.
Mensah was given an opportunity so why not Uche? If we have players who are injured and/or underperforming what is the harm in trying Uche. He's huge, stoic and very robust. Have you seen him play?
Yes, I've seen him play. The argument for Mensah being involved is valid but Mensah's inclusion in the squad was at the expense of Deeney who was injured. Whilst I 'd like to see those guys get a chance I wouldn't put them in our strongest squad for this game when you have Deeney, Forestieri, Acuna & Fabbrini available even if the latter spends more time slipping over.
Fessi I'll give you, Denny yes of course even though he's not at his best at the moment IMO; Fabbrini and Acuna - jury's out on both for me at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]ChrisG85[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SimmyB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisG85[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick El Greco[/bold] wrote: Uche Ikpeazu is on the train. I live in hope[/p][/quote]So you live in hope that the man under pressure plays a player with no football league experience? Right, I'm sure that is the answer to all of our problems. If he does and it doesn't work out I'm sure Zola will be blasted for it. By using the players he has from Saturday, they will be in more of a frame of mind to put things right. Whilst players like Battocchio and Hall will be itching to get game time they had no involvement in the actual game Saturday so whilst feeling the loss of Saturday was a bad one, they couldn't have made a difference. Whilst I feel tonight's game isn't a "must win" game I will say it is a game we can't lose. Burnley are flying and if we can grab a draw then it isn't the end of the world. Right now, whilst a win would be nice playing as a team and building confidence is more important going forward.[/p][/quote]Mensah was given an opportunity so why not Uche? If we have players who are injured and/or underperforming what is the harm in trying Uche. He's huge, stoic and very robust. Have you seen him play?[/p][/quote]Yes, I've seen him play. The argument for Mensah being involved is valid but Mensah's inclusion in the squad was at the expense of Deeney who was injured. Whilst I 'd like to see those guys get a chance I wouldn't put them in our strongest squad for this game when you have Deeney, Forestieri, Acuna & Fabbrini available even if the latter spends more time slipping over.[/p][/quote]Fessi I'll give you, Denny yes of course even though he's not at his best at the moment IMO; Fabbrini and Acuna - jury's out on both for me at the moment. SimmyB

2:12pm Tue 3 Dec 13

bigdave8 says...

Always best when we are up against it : ) Come on boys ...CAGED TIGERS, CAGED TIGERS !! Lets feel the passion!!
Always best when we are up against it : ) Come on boys ...CAGED TIGERS, CAGED TIGERS !! Lets feel the passion!! bigdave8

2:13pm Tue 3 Dec 13

bigdave8 says...

Wish i could play tonight ha ha
Wish i could play tonight ha ha bigdave8

2:45pm Tue 3 Dec 13

WessexLad says...

My interpretation is that he will not make changes just to give someone else a game, but that is not to say that he might not make changes for an away game and to counter what he thinks will be the Burnley team.
My interpretation is that he will not make changes just to give someone else a game, but that is not to say that he might not make changes for an away game and to counter what he thinks will be the Burnley team. WessexLad

3:30pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Shoooooot says...

This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player.
This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah.
However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won.
Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!!
This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!! Shoooooot

3:33pm Tue 3 Dec 13

stevyweavy says...

A couple more unwelcome results and Monday's Fans Forum is going to be interesting to say the least - that's if it still goes ahead.
A couple more unwelcome results and Monday's Fans Forum is going to be interesting to say the least - that's if it still goes ahead. stevyweavy

3:40pm Tue 3 Dec 13

demerit says...

Shoooooot wrote:
This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player.
This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah.
However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won.
Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!!
Well if that's your first contribution , the you have got off to a good start. I am further along the "replace Zola" route than you because I can't see things improving with him at the helm. He just hasn't got it in him to be tougher and meaner. It would be sad to see him go but necessary all the same.
[quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!![/p][/quote]Well if that's your first contribution , the you have got off to a good start. I am further along the "replace Zola" route than you because I can't see things improving with him at the helm. He just hasn't got it in him to be tougher and meaner. It would be sad to see him go but necessary all the same. demerit

3:57pm Tue 3 Dec 13

andyhooked says...

Too late to wish the ardent away fans all the best. Hope we come away with at least a point. Wishful thinking but either we get a striker when the window opens or we are done for. Just lower mid table at the best.
Too late to wish the ardent away fans all the best. Hope we come away with at least a point. Wishful thinking but either we get a striker when the window opens or we are done for. Just lower mid table at the best. andyhooked

4:00pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Harry's Bar says...

demerit wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player.
This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah.
However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won.
Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!!
Well if that's your first contribution , the you have got off to a good start. I am further along the "replace Zola" route than you because I can't see things improving with him at the helm. He just hasn't got it in him to be tougher and meaner. It would be sad to see him go but necessary all the same.
You've articulated your views on this matter a number of times now and this is only going set Cornet off on another "sack Zola" rant just as he's trying really hard to curb them.
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!![/p][/quote]Well if that's your first contribution , the you have got off to a good start. I am further along the "replace Zola" route than you because I can't see things improving with him at the helm. He just hasn't got it in him to be tougher and meaner. It would be sad to see him go but necessary all the same.[/p][/quote]You've articulated your views on this matter a number of times now and this is only going set Cornet off on another "sack Zola" rant just as he's trying really hard to curb them. Harry's Bar

4:01pm Tue 3 Dec 13

londomollari says...

Shoooooot wrote:
This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player.
This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah.
However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won.
Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!!
Excellent post. My feeling, as a 50 year supporter, is the greatest mistake made was the departure of last seasons coaches and, seemingly, a poor appointment of a replacement. Zola's great weakness is the tactical side. He needs an aide who can advise him on this. As you say, some comments made by him have been ill-considered---Bar
celona wouldn't have got through the Bolton defence? I really hope he can recover from the current low. But I have my doubts. At the end of the day, we supporters can support or criticise Zola as much as we like, but the Pozzo's will make the decisions. They probably know the situation behind the scenes far better than we do. And I am happy to leave it to them---we have to trust them.
COYH
[quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!![/p][/quote]Excellent post. My feeling, as a 50 year supporter, is the greatest mistake made was the departure of last seasons coaches and, seemingly, a poor appointment of a replacement. Zola's great weakness is the tactical side. He needs an aide who can advise him on this. As you say, some comments made by him have been ill-considered---Bar celona wouldn't have got through the Bolton defence? I really hope he can recover from the current low. But I have my doubts. At the end of the day, we supporters can support or criticise Zola as much as we like, but the Pozzo's will make the decisions. They probably know the situation behind the scenes far better than we do. And I am happy to leave it to them---we have to trust them. COYH londomollari

4:29pm Tue 3 Dec 13

demerit says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
demerit wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player.
This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah.
However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won.
Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!!
Well if that's your first contribution , the you have got off to a good start. I am further along the "replace Zola" route than you because I can't see things improving with him at the helm. He just hasn't got it in him to be tougher and meaner. It would be sad to see him go but necessary all the same.
You've articulated your views on this matter a number of times now and this is only going set Cornet off on another "sack Zola" rant just as he's trying really hard to curb them.
Yeah ok but I hope this isn't going to be the "S Word" from now on....
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!![/p][/quote]Well if that's your first contribution , the you have got off to a good start. I am further along the "replace Zola" route than you because I can't see things improving with him at the helm. He just hasn't got it in him to be tougher and meaner. It would be sad to see him go but necessary all the same.[/p][/quote]You've articulated your views on this matter a number of times now and this is only going set Cornet off on another "sack Zola" rant just as he's trying really hard to curb them.[/p][/quote]Yeah ok but I hope this isn't going to be the "S Word" from now on.... demerit

4:29pm Tue 3 Dec 13

midas says...

If you are coming to the game then wrap up warm, its bloody freezing outside, an icy wind blowing down from the moors!!!
If you are coming to the game then wrap up warm, its bloody freezing outside, an icy wind blowing down from the moors!!! midas

4:31pm Tue 3 Dec 13

demerit says...

londomollari wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player.
This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah.
However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won.
Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!!
Excellent post. My feeling, as a 50 year supporter, is the greatest mistake made was the departure of last seasons coaches and, seemingly, a poor appointment of a replacement. Zola's great weakness is the tactical side. He needs an aide who can advise him on this. As you say, some comments made by him have been ill-considered---Bar

celona wouldn't have got through the Bolton defence? I really hope he can recover from the current low. But I have my doubts. At the end of the day, we supporters can support or criticise Zola as much as we like, but the Pozzo's will make the decisions. They probably know the situation behind the scenes far better than we do. And I am happy to leave it to them---we have to trust them.
COYH
I agree with you both albeit a slightly more subdued version of my opinions. I would love to be wrong though - but I don't think I am....
[quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!![/p][/quote]Excellent post. My feeling, as a 50 year supporter, is the greatest mistake made was the departure of last seasons coaches and, seemingly, a poor appointment of a replacement. Zola's great weakness is the tactical side. He needs an aide who can advise him on this. As you say, some comments made by him have been ill-considered---Bar celona wouldn't have got through the Bolton defence? I really hope he can recover from the current low. But I have my doubts. At the end of the day, we supporters can support or criticise Zola as much as we like, but the Pozzo's will make the decisions. They probably know the situation behind the scenes far better than we do. And I am happy to leave it to them---we have to trust them. COYH[/p][/quote]I agree with you both albeit a slightly more subdued version of my opinions. I would love to be wrong though - but I don't think I am.... demerit

4:32pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Shoooooot says...

londomollari wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player.
This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah.
However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won.
Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!!
Excellent post. My feeling, as a 50 year supporter, is the greatest mistake made was the departure of last seasons coaches and, seemingly, a poor appointment of a replacement. Zola's great weakness is the tactical side. He needs an aide who can advise him on this. As you say, some comments made by him have been ill-considered---Bar

celona wouldn't have got through the Bolton defence? I really hope he can recover from the current low. But I have my doubts. At the end of the day, we supporters can support or criticise Zola as much as we like, but the Pozzo's will make the decisions. They probably know the situation behind the scenes far better than we do. And I am happy to leave it to them---we have to trust them.
COYH
Thanks for the comments so far to a rooky! I am from Ricky but live in Wimbledon now. I go with my son to all the home games & some away. Happily, my son has never shown an interest in supporting Chelsea despite closer proximity! If Zola has tactical challenges, I have technological esp when typing on my iphone. Why does the reproduction of my post add words at random - "amp" for instance!? Anyway - enough trivia - on to cutting comment!
[quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!![/p][/quote]Excellent post. My feeling, as a 50 year supporter, is the greatest mistake made was the departure of last seasons coaches and, seemingly, a poor appointment of a replacement. Zola's great weakness is the tactical side. He needs an aide who can advise him on this. As you say, some comments made by him have been ill-considered---Bar celona wouldn't have got through the Bolton defence? I really hope he can recover from the current low. But I have my doubts. At the end of the day, we supporters can support or criticise Zola as much as we like, but the Pozzo's will make the decisions. They probably know the situation behind the scenes far better than we do. And I am happy to leave it to them---we have to trust them. COYH[/p][/quote]Thanks for the comments so far to a rooky! I am from Ricky but live in Wimbledon now. I go with my son to all the home games & some away. Happily, my son has never shown an interest in supporting Chelsea despite closer proximity! If Zola has tactical challenges, I have technological esp when typing on my iphone. Why does the reproduction of my post add words at random - "amp" for instance!? Anyway - enough trivia - on to cutting comment! Shoooooot

4:40pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

Shoooooot wrote:
This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player.
This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah.
However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won.
Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!!
Fair play. and decent thought out comments. I don't necessarily agree that dropping a 2-0 lead against Palace was purely down to tactical naivety. 2-0 is a very dangerous scoreline (in fact rather oddly I always prefer to go into half time 1-0 up rather than 2-0 up!), and teams often come back from 2-0 down to draw or win games. People have also stated on here that this game was the 'turning point' in last season which I also struggle to agree with, bearing in mind after that game we went 5 unbeaten, winning 4 of them including a fantastic turnaround against Sheff Weds after trailing at the break.
The rotation thing is a discussion that has been done to the death on here. No one knows if it helped us get where we got to, or hindered our charge for promotion. Did Vydra carry on scoring all of January because he was rested for the BC game etc etc . No one will ever know but those people looking for an excuse will naturally point to it as a reason for 'failure'.
Last year was beyond our wildest dreams. Zola was undoubtedly one of the reasons for this. I'm not saying he was the be all and end all but he deserves massive credit for this but people forget this and turn on him when the chips are down.
Many people talk of a lack of Plan B and I'm not really sure what they expect Zola to do. He does change formation, makes early substitutions, we have gone a bit more direct occasionally. what else can you do? And when you don't have physically big players in your team like against Bolton you simply cant go direct. People forget the times that Zola has turned things around in a game and also forget that we are not just playing a robot: Other teams and their managers have a say in the outcome of games and have a game-plan too, so Zola may change things but the opposition manager may change things to counter-act and nullify our changes and instead of praising or respecting other teams or managers, people are often quick to slag our own off. For example, Yeovil did not deserve to concede on Saturday, particularly in the second half, they put their bodies on the line to defend their goal, and they got the rub of the green that they deserved with deflections, no we didnt play well enough but it wasnt our day either. On a slight tangent, the notion of putting your body on the line is actually one thing where I think we are very poor - the seeming unwillingness to put your body on the line to stop the opposition getting the ball in the net. I can think of countless times where instead of throwing ourselves in the way, someones hung a leg out half heartedly or instead of sprinting back to cover a mistake (be it theirs or their team-mates) our players have jogged back. Maybe it is a British trait, after all we play a physical game compared to the continent and I think our new recruits are finding this tough.
We have a dreadful injury crisis at the moment and as you rightly say we are missing 4 vital cogs from last seasons team (Vydra, Chalobah, Abdi and Hogg) and are also missing Anya. That is a huge loss.
I therefore think people are too quick to criticise Zola. People often say he is tactically naieve but they never give anyactual examples. Can anyone give me an example of a specific tactic that Zola should have used in a particular situation but didnt, or a tactic he used which was wrong in a given match? I would hazard a guess that most who lambast Zola as tactically inept have no idea of tactics and certainly could not give an example.
I'm not saying Zola is perfect and I'm not disputing that the jury is out, perhaps justifiably, but I don't like the idea of sacking someone at the first sign of 'trouble'. It seems there are many fans who are demanding instant success. Give him a chance to turn this around. Its a terrible run yes but this happens in football. If relegation becomes an actual possibility then of course the Pozzos will do something about it. If we get a break from the injuries, get our best player back in Abdi, get Anya back and can sign a couple of decent players in January then I believe Zola can turn it around. I hope he gets the chance but if the Pozzos make a decision at whatever point then I trust them. They have a proven track record, they know what they're doing.
[quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!![/p][/quote]Fair play. and decent thought out comments. I don't necessarily agree that dropping a 2-0 lead against Palace was purely down to tactical naivety. 2-0 is a very dangerous scoreline (in fact rather oddly I always prefer to go into half time 1-0 up rather than 2-0 up!), and teams often come back from 2-0 down to draw or win games. People have also stated on here that this game was the 'turning point' in last season which I also struggle to agree with, bearing in mind after that game we went 5 unbeaten, winning 4 of them including a fantastic turnaround against Sheff Weds after trailing at the break. The rotation thing is a discussion that has been done to the death on here. No one knows if it helped us get where we got to, or hindered our charge for promotion. Did Vydra carry on scoring all of January because he was rested for the BC game etc etc . No one will ever know but those people looking for an excuse will naturally point to it as a reason for 'failure'. Last year was beyond our wildest dreams. Zola was undoubtedly one of the reasons for this. I'm not saying he was the be all and end all but he deserves massive credit for this but people forget this and turn on him when the chips are down. Many people talk of a lack of Plan B and I'm not really sure what they expect Zola to do. He does change formation, makes early substitutions, we have gone a bit more direct occasionally. what else can you do? And when you don't have physically big players in your team like against Bolton you simply cant go direct. People forget the times that Zola has turned things around in a game and also forget that we are not just playing a robot: Other teams and their managers have a say in the outcome of games and have a game-plan too, so Zola may change things but the opposition manager may change things to counter-act and nullify our changes and instead of praising or respecting other teams or managers, people are often quick to slag our own off. For example, Yeovil did not deserve to concede on Saturday, particularly in the second half, they put their bodies on the line to defend their goal, and they got the rub of the green that they deserved with deflections, no we didnt play well enough but it wasnt our day either. On a slight tangent, the notion of putting your body on the line is actually one thing where I think we are very poor - the seeming unwillingness to put your body on the line to stop the opposition getting the ball in the net. I can think of countless times where instead of throwing ourselves in the way, someones hung a leg out half heartedly or instead of sprinting back to cover a mistake (be it theirs or their team-mates) our players have jogged back. Maybe it is a British trait, after all we play a physical game compared to the continent and I think our new recruits are finding this tough. We have a dreadful injury crisis at the moment and as you rightly say we are missing 4 vital cogs from last seasons team (Vydra, Chalobah, Abdi and Hogg) and are also missing Anya. That is a huge loss. I therefore think people are too quick to criticise Zola. People often say he is tactically naieve but they never give anyactual examples. Can anyone give me an example of a specific tactic that Zola should have used in a particular situation but didnt, or a tactic he used which was wrong in a given match? I would hazard a guess that most who lambast Zola as tactically inept have no idea of tactics and certainly could not give an example. I'm not saying Zola is perfect and I'm not disputing that the jury is out, perhaps justifiably, but I don't like the idea of sacking someone at the first sign of 'trouble'. It seems there are many fans who are demanding instant success. Give him a chance to turn this around. Its a terrible run yes but this happens in football. If relegation becomes an actual possibility then of course the Pozzos will do something about it. If we get a break from the injuries, get our best player back in Abdi, get Anya back and can sign a couple of decent players in January then I believe Zola can turn it around. I hope he gets the chance but if the Pozzos make a decision at whatever point then I trust them. They have a proven track record, they know what they're doing. Stoney77

4:44pm Tue 3 Dec 13

demerit says...

Shoooooot wrote:
londomollari wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player.
This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah.
However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won.
Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!!
Excellent post. My feeling, as a 50 year supporter, is the greatest mistake made was the departure of last seasons coaches and, seemingly, a poor appointment of a replacement. Zola's great weakness is the tactical side. He needs an aide who can advise him on this. As you say, some comments made by him have been ill-considered---Bar


celona wouldn't have got through the Bolton defence? I really hope he can recover from the current low. But I have my doubts. At the end of the day, we supporters can support or criticise Zola as much as we like, but the Pozzo's will make the decisions. They probably know the situation behind the scenes far better than we do. And I am happy to leave it to them---we have to trust them.
COYH
Thanks for the comments so far to a rooky! I am from Ricky but live in Wimbledon now. I go with my son to all the home games & some away. Happily, my son has never shown an interest in supporting Chelsea despite closer proximity! If Zola has tactical challenges, I have technological esp when typing on my iphone. Why does the reproduction of my post add words at random - "amp" for instance!? Anyway - enough trivia - on to cutting comment!
Shooooooot.....are you who I think you are? Any connection with Ricky School?
[quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!![/p][/quote]Excellent post. My feeling, as a 50 year supporter, is the greatest mistake made was the departure of last seasons coaches and, seemingly, a poor appointment of a replacement. Zola's great weakness is the tactical side. He needs an aide who can advise him on this. As you say, some comments made by him have been ill-considered---Bar celona wouldn't have got through the Bolton defence? I really hope he can recover from the current low. But I have my doubts. At the end of the day, we supporters can support or criticise Zola as much as we like, but the Pozzo's will make the decisions. They probably know the situation behind the scenes far better than we do. And I am happy to leave it to them---we have to trust them. COYH[/p][/quote]Thanks for the comments so far to a rooky! I am from Ricky but live in Wimbledon now. I go with my son to all the home games & some away. Happily, my son has never shown an interest in supporting Chelsea despite closer proximity! If Zola has tactical challenges, I have technological esp when typing on my iphone. Why does the reproduction of my post add words at random - "amp" for instance!? Anyway - enough trivia - on to cutting comment![/p][/quote]Shooooooot.....are you who I think you are? Any connection with Ricky School? demerit

4:46pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
demerit wrote:
Shoooooot wrote: This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!!
Well if that's your first contribution , the you have got off to a good start. I am further along the "replace Zola" route than you because I can't see things improving with him at the helm. He just hasn't got it in him to be tougher and meaner. It would be sad to see him go but necessary all the same.
You've articulated your views on this matter a number of times now and this is only going set Cornet off on another "sack Zola" rant just as he's trying really hard to curb them.
All calm in the Cornet camp I say.

Deep breath...

:-)

HC
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!![/p][/quote]Well if that's your first contribution , the you have got off to a good start. I am further along the "replace Zola" route than you because I can't see things improving with him at the helm. He just hasn't got it in him to be tougher and meaner. It would be sad to see him go but necessary all the same.[/p][/quote]You've articulated your views on this matter a number of times now and this is only going set Cornet off on another "sack Zola" rant just as he's trying really hard to curb them.[/p][/quote]All calm in the Cornet camp I say. Deep breath... :-) HC Hornet Cornet

4:51pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Shoooooot says...

demerit wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
londomollari wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player.
This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah.
However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won.
Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!!
Excellent post. My feeling, as a 50 year supporter, is the greatest mistake made was the departure of last seasons coaches and, seemingly, a poor appointment of a replacement. Zola's great weakness is the tactical side. He needs an aide who can advise him on this. As you say, some comments made by him have been ill-considered---Bar



celona wouldn't have got through the Bolton defence? I really hope he can recover from the current low. But I have my doubts. At the end of the day, we supporters can support or criticise Zola as much as we like, but the Pozzo's will make the decisions. They probably know the situation behind the scenes far better than we do. And I am happy to leave it to them---we have to trust them.
COYH
Thanks for the comments so far to a rooky! I am from Ricky but live in Wimbledon now. I go with my son to all the home games & some away. Happily, my son has never shown an interest in supporting Chelsea despite closer proximity! If Zola has tactical challenges, I have technological esp when typing on my iphone. Why does the reproduction of my post add words at random - "amp" for instance!? Anyway - enough trivia - on to cutting comment!
Shooooooot.....are you who I think you are? Any connection with Ricky School?
No - William Penn!!
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!![/p][/quote]Excellent post. My feeling, as a 50 year supporter, is the greatest mistake made was the departure of last seasons coaches and, seemingly, a poor appointment of a replacement. Zola's great weakness is the tactical side. He needs an aide who can advise him on this. As you say, some comments made by him have been ill-considered---Bar celona wouldn't have got through the Bolton defence? I really hope he can recover from the current low. But I have my doubts. At the end of the day, we supporters can support or criticise Zola as much as we like, but the Pozzo's will make the decisions. They probably know the situation behind the scenes far better than we do. And I am happy to leave it to them---we have to trust them. COYH[/p][/quote]Thanks for the comments so far to a rooky! I am from Ricky but live in Wimbledon now. I go with my son to all the home games & some away. Happily, my son has never shown an interest in supporting Chelsea despite closer proximity! If Zola has tactical challenges, I have technological esp when typing on my iphone. Why does the reproduction of my post add words at random - "amp" for instance!? Anyway - enough trivia - on to cutting comment![/p][/quote]Shooooooot.....are you who I think you are? Any connection with Ricky School?[/p][/quote]No - William Penn!! Shoooooot

5:01pm Tue 3 Dec 13

KeithMercer says...

Stoney77 wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player.
This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah.
However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won.
Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!!
Fair play. and decent thought out comments. I don't necessarily agree that dropping a 2-0 lead against Palace was purely down to tactical naivety. 2-0 is a very dangerous scoreline (in fact rather oddly I always prefer to go into half time 1-0 up rather than 2-0 up!), and teams often come back from 2-0 down to draw or win games. People have also stated on here that this game was the 'turning point' in last season which I also struggle to agree with, bearing in mind after that game we went 5 unbeaten, winning 4 of them including a fantastic turnaround against Sheff Weds after trailing at the break.
The rotation thing is a discussion that has been done to the death on here. No one knows if it helped us get where we got to, or hindered our charge for promotion. Did Vydra carry on scoring all of January because he was rested for the BC game etc etc . No one will ever know but those people looking for an excuse will naturally point to it as a reason for 'failure'.
Last year was beyond our wildest dreams. Zola was undoubtedly one of the reasons for this. I'm not saying he was the be all and end all but he deserves massive credit for this but people forget this and turn on him when the chips are down.
Many people talk of a lack of Plan B and I'm not really sure what they expect Zola to do. He does change formation, makes early substitutions, we have gone a bit more direct occasionally. what else can you do? And when you don't have physically big players in your team like against Bolton you simply cant go direct. People forget the times that Zola has turned things around in a game and also forget that we are not just playing a robot: Other teams and their managers have a say in the outcome of games and have a game-plan too, so Zola may change things but the opposition manager may change things to counter-act and nullify our changes and instead of praising or respecting other teams or managers, people are often quick to slag our own off. For example, Yeovil did not deserve to concede on Saturday, particularly in the second half, they put their bodies on the line to defend their goal, and they got the rub of the green that they deserved with deflections, no we didnt play well enough but it wasnt our day either. On a slight tangent, the notion of putting your body on the line is actually one thing where I think we are very poor - the seeming unwillingness to put your body on the line to stop the opposition getting the ball in the net. I can think of countless times where instead of throwing ourselves in the way, someones hung a leg out half heartedly or instead of sprinting back to cover a mistake (be it theirs or their team-mates) our players have jogged back. Maybe it is a British trait, after all we play a physical game compared to the continent and I think our new recruits are finding this tough.
We have a dreadful injury crisis at the moment and as you rightly say we are missing 4 vital cogs from last seasons team (Vydra, Chalobah, Abdi and Hogg) and are also missing Anya. That is a huge loss.
I therefore think people are too quick to criticise Zola. People often say he is tactically naieve but they never give anyactual examples. Can anyone give me an example of a specific tactic that Zola should have used in a particular situation but didnt, or a tactic he used which was wrong in a given match? I would hazard a guess that most who lambast Zola as tactically inept have no idea of tactics and certainly could not give an example.
I'm not saying Zola is perfect and I'm not disputing that the jury is out, perhaps justifiably, but I don't like the idea of sacking someone at the first sign of 'trouble'. It seems there are many fans who are demanding instant success. Give him a chance to turn this around. Its a terrible run yes but this happens in football. If relegation becomes an actual possibility then of course the Pozzos will do something about it. If we get a break from the injuries, get our best player back in Abdi, get Anya back and can sign a couple of decent players in January then I believe Zola can turn it around. I hope he gets the chance but if the Pozzos make a decision at whatever point then I trust them. They have a proven track record, they know what they're doing.
Quiet day at work Stoney ? great post though mate ! keep the faith and shave that tash off !!!
Good luck to all the travelling Horns tonight ! bring back the Bacon (please).
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!![/p][/quote]Fair play. and decent thought out comments. I don't necessarily agree that dropping a 2-0 lead against Palace was purely down to tactical naivety. 2-0 is a very dangerous scoreline (in fact rather oddly I always prefer to go into half time 1-0 up rather than 2-0 up!), and teams often come back from 2-0 down to draw or win games. People have also stated on here that this game was the 'turning point' in last season which I also struggle to agree with, bearing in mind after that game we went 5 unbeaten, winning 4 of them including a fantastic turnaround against Sheff Weds after trailing at the break. The rotation thing is a discussion that has been done to the death on here. No one knows if it helped us get where we got to, or hindered our charge for promotion. Did Vydra carry on scoring all of January because he was rested for the BC game etc etc . No one will ever know but those people looking for an excuse will naturally point to it as a reason for 'failure'. Last year was beyond our wildest dreams. Zola was undoubtedly one of the reasons for this. I'm not saying he was the be all and end all but he deserves massive credit for this but people forget this and turn on him when the chips are down. Many people talk of a lack of Plan B and I'm not really sure what they expect Zola to do. He does change formation, makes early substitutions, we have gone a bit more direct occasionally. what else can you do? And when you don't have physically big players in your team like against Bolton you simply cant go direct. People forget the times that Zola has turned things around in a game and also forget that we are not just playing a robot: Other teams and their managers have a say in the outcome of games and have a game-plan too, so Zola may change things but the opposition manager may change things to counter-act and nullify our changes and instead of praising or respecting other teams or managers, people are often quick to slag our own off. For example, Yeovil did not deserve to concede on Saturday, particularly in the second half, they put their bodies on the line to defend their goal, and they got the rub of the green that they deserved with deflections, no we didnt play well enough but it wasnt our day either. On a slight tangent, the notion of putting your body on the line is actually one thing where I think we are very poor - the seeming unwillingness to put your body on the line to stop the opposition getting the ball in the net. I can think of countless times where instead of throwing ourselves in the way, someones hung a leg out half heartedly or instead of sprinting back to cover a mistake (be it theirs or their team-mates) our players have jogged back. Maybe it is a British trait, after all we play a physical game compared to the continent and I think our new recruits are finding this tough. We have a dreadful injury crisis at the moment and as you rightly say we are missing 4 vital cogs from last seasons team (Vydra, Chalobah, Abdi and Hogg) and are also missing Anya. That is a huge loss. I therefore think people are too quick to criticise Zola. People often say he is tactically naieve but they never give anyactual examples. Can anyone give me an example of a specific tactic that Zola should have used in a particular situation but didnt, or a tactic he used which was wrong in a given match? I would hazard a guess that most who lambast Zola as tactically inept have no idea of tactics and certainly could not give an example. I'm not saying Zola is perfect and I'm not disputing that the jury is out, perhaps justifiably, but I don't like the idea of sacking someone at the first sign of 'trouble'. It seems there are many fans who are demanding instant success. Give him a chance to turn this around. Its a terrible run yes but this happens in football. If relegation becomes an actual possibility then of course the Pozzos will do something about it. If we get a break from the injuries, get our best player back in Abdi, get Anya back and can sign a couple of decent players in January then I believe Zola can turn it around. I hope he gets the chance but if the Pozzos make a decision at whatever point then I trust them. They have a proven track record, they know what they're doing.[/p][/quote]Quiet day at work Stoney ? great post though mate ! keep the faith and shave that tash off !!! Good luck to all the travelling Horns tonight ! bring back the Bacon (please). KeithMercer

5:01pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Shoooooot says...

Stoney77 wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player.
This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah.
However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won.
Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!!
Fair play. and decent thought out comments. I don't necessarily agree that dropping a 2-0 lead against Palace was purely down to tactical naivety. 2-0 is a very dangerous scoreline (in fact rather oddly I always prefer to go into half time 1-0 up rather than 2-0 up!), and teams often come back from 2-0 down to draw or win games. People have also stated on here that this game was the 'turning point' in last season which I also struggle to agree with, bearing in mind after that game we went 5 unbeaten, winning 4 of them including a fantastic turnaround against Sheff Weds after trailing at the break.
The rotation thing is a discussion that has been done to the death on here. No one knows if it helped us get where we got to, or hindered our charge for promotion. Did Vydra carry on scoring all of January because he was rested for the BC game etc etc . No one will ever know but those people looking for an excuse will naturally point to it as a reason for 'failure'.
Last year was beyond our wildest dreams. Zola was undoubtedly one of the reasons for this. I'm not saying he was the be all and end all but he deserves massive credit for this but people forget this and turn on him when the chips are down.
Many people talk of a lack of Plan B and I'm not really sure what they expect Zola to do. He does change formation, makes early substitutions, we have gone a bit more direct occasionally. what else can you do? And when you don't have physically big players in your team like against Bolton you simply cant go direct. People forget the times that Zola has turned things around in a game and also forget that we are not just playing a robot: Other teams and their managers have a say in the outcome of games and have a game-plan too, so Zola may change things but the opposition manager may change things to counter-act and nullify our changes and instead of praising or respecting other teams or managers, people are often quick to slag our own off. For example, Yeovil did not deserve to concede on Saturday, particularly in the second half, they put their bodies on the line to defend their goal, and they got the rub of the green that they deserved with deflections, no we didnt play well enough but it wasnt our day either. On a slight tangent, the notion of putting your body on the line is actually one thing where I think we are very poor - the seeming unwillingness to put your body on the line to stop the opposition getting the ball in the net. I can think of countless times where instead of throwing ourselves in the way, someones hung a leg out half heartedly or instead of sprinting back to cover a mistake (be it theirs or their team-mates) our players have jogged back. Maybe it is a British trait, after all we play a physical game compared to the continent and I think our new recruits are finding this tough.
We have a dreadful injury crisis at the moment and as you rightly say we are missing 4 vital cogs from last seasons team (Vydra, Chalobah, Abdi and Hogg) and are also missing Anya. That is a huge loss.
I therefore think people are too quick to criticise Zola. People often say he is tactically naieve but they never give anyactual examples. Can anyone give me an example of a specific tactic that Zola should have used in a particular situation but didnt, or a tactic he used which was wrong in a given match? I would hazard a guess that most who lambast Zola as tactically inept have no idea of tactics and certainly could not give an example.
I'm not saying Zola is perfect and I'm not disputing that the jury is out, perhaps justifiably, but I don't like the idea of sacking someone at the first sign of 'trouble'. It seems there are many fans who are demanding instant success. Give him a chance to turn this around. Its a terrible run yes but this happens in football. If relegation becomes an actual possibility then of course the Pozzos will do something about it. If we get a break from the injuries, get our best player back in Abdi, get Anya back and can sign a couple of decent players in January then I believe Zola can turn it around. I hope he gets the chance but if the Pozzos make a decision at whatever point then I trust them. They have a proven track record, they know what they're doing.
I was referring more to the play-off final. Seems that Holloway had out -thought Zola tactically and Zola was not able to counter. Perhaps Holloway had indeed learnt well from the league match and - as you say - not a robotic but a human response. Not easy to produce examples, it's about the outcomes. Don't want to be too negative at this stage but my other gripe after Saturday's match was that we don't seem to be able to win a ball in the air - particularly going forward. 15 corners and no hint of success - against a goal for them. Acuna seems the only one who actually aggressively attacks the ball in the air. 27 shots and only 2 on target says a lot as well - why does Fessi slice the ball so much? Surely Zola can put him right on this?
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!![/p][/quote]Fair play. and decent thought out comments. I don't necessarily agree that dropping a 2-0 lead against Palace was purely down to tactical naivety. 2-0 is a very dangerous scoreline (in fact rather oddly I always prefer to go into half time 1-0 up rather than 2-0 up!), and teams often come back from 2-0 down to draw or win games. People have also stated on here that this game was the 'turning point' in last season which I also struggle to agree with, bearing in mind after that game we went 5 unbeaten, winning 4 of them including a fantastic turnaround against Sheff Weds after trailing at the break. The rotation thing is a discussion that has been done to the death on here. No one knows if it helped us get where we got to, or hindered our charge for promotion. Did Vydra carry on scoring all of January because he was rested for the BC game etc etc . No one will ever know but those people looking for an excuse will naturally point to it as a reason for 'failure'. Last year was beyond our wildest dreams. Zola was undoubtedly one of the reasons for this. I'm not saying he was the be all and end all but he deserves massive credit for this but people forget this and turn on him when the chips are down. Many people talk of a lack of Plan B and I'm not really sure what they expect Zola to do. He does change formation, makes early substitutions, we have gone a bit more direct occasionally. what else can you do? And when you don't have physically big players in your team like against Bolton you simply cant go direct. People forget the times that Zola has turned things around in a game and also forget that we are not just playing a robot: Other teams and their managers have a say in the outcome of games and have a game-plan too, so Zola may change things but the opposition manager may change things to counter-act and nullify our changes and instead of praising or respecting other teams or managers, people are often quick to slag our own off. For example, Yeovil did not deserve to concede on Saturday, particularly in the second half, they put their bodies on the line to defend their goal, and they got the rub of the green that they deserved with deflections, no we didnt play well enough but it wasnt our day either. On a slight tangent, the notion of putting your body on the line is actually one thing where I think we are very poor - the seeming unwillingness to put your body on the line to stop the opposition getting the ball in the net. I can think of countless times where instead of throwing ourselves in the way, someones hung a leg out half heartedly or instead of sprinting back to cover a mistake (be it theirs or their team-mates) our players have jogged back. Maybe it is a British trait, after all we play a physical game compared to the continent and I think our new recruits are finding this tough. We have a dreadful injury crisis at the moment and as you rightly say we are missing 4 vital cogs from last seasons team (Vydra, Chalobah, Abdi and Hogg) and are also missing Anya. That is a huge loss. I therefore think people are too quick to criticise Zola. People often say he is tactically naieve but they never give anyactual examples. Can anyone give me an example of a specific tactic that Zola should have used in a particular situation but didnt, or a tactic he used which was wrong in a given match? I would hazard a guess that most who lambast Zola as tactically inept have no idea of tactics and certainly could not give an example. I'm not saying Zola is perfect and I'm not disputing that the jury is out, perhaps justifiably, but I don't like the idea of sacking someone at the first sign of 'trouble'. It seems there are many fans who are demanding instant success. Give him a chance to turn this around. Its a terrible run yes but this happens in football. If relegation becomes an actual possibility then of course the Pozzos will do something about it. If we get a break from the injuries, get our best player back in Abdi, get Anya back and can sign a couple of decent players in January then I believe Zola can turn it around. I hope he gets the chance but if the Pozzos make a decision at whatever point then I trust them. They have a proven track record, they know what they're doing.[/p][/quote]I was referring more to the play-off final. Seems that Holloway had out -thought Zola tactically and Zola was not able to counter. Perhaps Holloway had indeed learnt well from the league match and - as you say - not a robotic but a human response. Not easy to produce examples, it's about the outcomes. Don't want to be too negative at this stage but my other gripe after Saturday's match was that we don't seem to be able to win a ball in the air - particularly going forward. 15 corners and no hint of success - against a goal for them. Acuna seems the only one who actually aggressively attacks the ball in the air. 27 shots and only 2 on target says a lot as well - why does Fessi slice the ball so much? Surely Zola can put him right on this? Shoooooot

5:11pm Tue 3 Dec 13

MainStandShambles says...

Welcome aboard Shoooooot. Well put and with some good positivity.

I know there are many fans on their way 'oop north' right now but for those of us left behind may i just pass on a quote i read in the football section of The Times last Saturday. I have never subscribed to the short term view of sacking Zola at the present time, the Pozzos are her for the long haul (thank goodness) and i'm sure they are wise enough to realise that there isn't much quality amongst the out of work managers at the moment.

The article i refer to points out that 'evidence suggests the short-term honeymoon effect of change (of a manager) brings an average 2.5 points for Premier League clubs. That benefit is quickly lost, as performance dips back 12 games after the change to a level BELOW that achieved before'

Apparently a Dutch study found that 'teams who do not sack their managers after a poor period of results bounce back as effectively as those who do: the phenomenon of regression to the mean. In other words an extraordinary period of performances is just that 'extraordinary''.

The way we are at present we could well beat Burnley and Leeds then we can all enjoy our weekends.
Welcome aboard Shoooooot. Well put and with some good positivity. I know there are many fans on their way 'oop north' right now but for those of us left behind may i just pass on a quote i read in the football section of The Times last Saturday. I have never subscribed to the short term view of sacking Zola at the present time, the Pozzos are her for the long haul (thank goodness) and i'm sure they are wise enough to realise that there isn't much quality amongst the out of work managers at the moment. The article i refer to points out that 'evidence suggests the short-term honeymoon effect of change (of a manager) brings an average 2.5 points for Premier League clubs. That benefit is quickly lost, as performance dips back 12 games after the change to a level BELOW that achieved before' Apparently a Dutch study found that 'teams who do not sack their managers after a poor period of results bounce back as effectively as those who do: the phenomenon of regression to the mean. In other words an extraordinary period of performances is just that 'extraordinary''. The way we are at present we could well beat Burnley and Leeds then we can all enjoy our weekends. MainStandShambles

5:14pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

@KeithMercer... the tache has already gone mate, glad thats over with!! The missus didnt go near me for a month. Ha! See you soon!
@KeithMercer... the tache has already gone mate, glad thats over with!! The missus didnt go near me for a month. Ha! See you soon! Stoney77

5:21pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

Shoooooot wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player.
This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah.
However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won.
Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!!
Fair play. and decent thought out comments. I don't necessarily agree that dropping a 2-0 lead against Palace was purely down to tactical naivety. 2-0 is a very dangerous scoreline (in fact rather oddly I always prefer to go into half time 1-0 up rather than 2-0 up!), and teams often come back from 2-0 down to draw or win games. People have also stated on here that this game was the 'turning point' in last season which I also struggle to agree with, bearing in mind after that game we went 5 unbeaten, winning 4 of them including a fantastic turnaround against Sheff Weds after trailing at the break.
The rotation thing is a discussion that has been done to the death on here. No one knows if it helped us get where we got to, or hindered our charge for promotion. Did Vydra carry on scoring all of January because he was rested for the BC game etc etc . No one will ever know but those people looking for an excuse will naturally point to it as a reason for 'failure'.
Last year was beyond our wildest dreams. Zola was undoubtedly one of the reasons for this. I'm not saying he was the be all and end all but he deserves massive credit for this but people forget this and turn on him when the chips are down.
Many people talk of a lack of Plan B and I'm not really sure what they expect Zola to do. He does change formation, makes early substitutions, we have gone a bit more direct occasionally. what else can you do? And when you don't have physically big players in your team like against Bolton you simply cant go direct. People forget the times that Zola has turned things around in a game and also forget that we are not just playing a robot: Other teams and their managers have a say in the outcome of games and have a game-plan too, so Zola may change things but the opposition manager may change things to counter-act and nullify our changes and instead of praising or respecting other teams or managers, people are often quick to slag our own off. For example, Yeovil did not deserve to concede on Saturday, particularly in the second half, they put their bodies on the line to defend their goal, and they got the rub of the green that they deserved with deflections, no we didnt play well enough but it wasnt our day either. On a slight tangent, the notion of putting your body on the line is actually one thing where I think we are very poor - the seeming unwillingness to put your body on the line to stop the opposition getting the ball in the net. I can think of countless times where instead of throwing ourselves in the way, someones hung a leg out half heartedly or instead of sprinting back to cover a mistake (be it theirs or their team-mates) our players have jogged back. Maybe it is a British trait, after all we play a physical game compared to the continent and I think our new recruits are finding this tough.
We have a dreadful injury crisis at the moment and as you rightly say we are missing 4 vital cogs from last seasons team (Vydra, Chalobah, Abdi and Hogg) and are also missing Anya. That is a huge loss.
I therefore think people are too quick to criticise Zola. People often say he is tactically naieve but they never give anyactual examples. Can anyone give me an example of a specific tactic that Zola should have used in a particular situation but didnt, or a tactic he used which was wrong in a given match? I would hazard a guess that most who lambast Zola as tactically inept have no idea of tactics and certainly could not give an example.
I'm not saying Zola is perfect and I'm not disputing that the jury is out, perhaps justifiably, but I don't like the idea of sacking someone at the first sign of 'trouble'. It seems there are many fans who are demanding instant success. Give him a chance to turn this around. Its a terrible run yes but this happens in football. If relegation becomes an actual possibility then of course the Pozzos will do something about it. If we get a break from the injuries, get our best player back in Abdi, get Anya back and can sign a couple of decent players in January then I believe Zola can turn it around. I hope he gets the chance but if the Pozzos make a decision at whatever point then I trust them. They have a proven track record, they know what they're doing.
I was referring more to the play-off final. Seems that Holloway had out -thought Zola tactically and Zola was not able to counter. Perhaps Holloway had indeed learnt well from the league match and - as you say - not a robotic but a human response. Not easy to produce examples, it's about the outcomes. Don't want to be too negative at this stage but my other gripe after Saturday's match was that we don't seem to be able to win a ball in the air - particularly going forward. 15 corners and no hint of success - against a goal for them. Acuna seems the only one who actually aggressively attacks the ball in the air. 27 shots and only 2 on target says a lot as well - why does Fessi slice the ball so much? Surely Zola can put him right on this?
oh fair enough I misunderstood. But yes perhaps Holloway out-thought Zola in the play off final. after all he's been there, done that, lost and won play off finals before. he's a wily old fox I guess and it wasn't our day. Someone had to lose though.
I agree about lack of aerial superiority both defending and attacking.
[quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!![/p][/quote]Fair play. and decent thought out comments. I don't necessarily agree that dropping a 2-0 lead against Palace was purely down to tactical naivety. 2-0 is a very dangerous scoreline (in fact rather oddly I always prefer to go into half time 1-0 up rather than 2-0 up!), and teams often come back from 2-0 down to draw or win games. People have also stated on here that this game was the 'turning point' in last season which I also struggle to agree with, bearing in mind after that game we went 5 unbeaten, winning 4 of them including a fantastic turnaround against Sheff Weds after trailing at the break. The rotation thing is a discussion that has been done to the death on here. No one knows if it helped us get where we got to, or hindered our charge for promotion. Did Vydra carry on scoring all of January because he was rested for the BC game etc etc . No one will ever know but those people looking for an excuse will naturally point to it as a reason for 'failure'. Last year was beyond our wildest dreams. Zola was undoubtedly one of the reasons for this. I'm not saying he was the be all and end all but he deserves massive credit for this but people forget this and turn on him when the chips are down. Many people talk of a lack of Plan B and I'm not really sure what they expect Zola to do. He does change formation, makes early substitutions, we have gone a bit more direct occasionally. what else can you do? And when you don't have physically big players in your team like against Bolton you simply cant go direct. People forget the times that Zola has turned things around in a game and also forget that we are not just playing a robot: Other teams and their managers have a say in the outcome of games and have a game-plan too, so Zola may change things but the opposition manager may change things to counter-act and nullify our changes and instead of praising or respecting other teams or managers, people are often quick to slag our own off. For example, Yeovil did not deserve to concede on Saturday, particularly in the second half, they put their bodies on the line to defend their goal, and they got the rub of the green that they deserved with deflections, no we didnt play well enough but it wasnt our day either. On a slight tangent, the notion of putting your body on the line is actually one thing where I think we are very poor - the seeming unwillingness to put your body on the line to stop the opposition getting the ball in the net. I can think of countless times where instead of throwing ourselves in the way, someones hung a leg out half heartedly or instead of sprinting back to cover a mistake (be it theirs or their team-mates) our players have jogged back. Maybe it is a British trait, after all we play a physical game compared to the continent and I think our new recruits are finding this tough. We have a dreadful injury crisis at the moment and as you rightly say we are missing 4 vital cogs from last seasons team (Vydra, Chalobah, Abdi and Hogg) and are also missing Anya. That is a huge loss. I therefore think people are too quick to criticise Zola. People often say he is tactically naieve but they never give anyactual examples. Can anyone give me an example of a specific tactic that Zola should have used in a particular situation but didnt, or a tactic he used which was wrong in a given match? I would hazard a guess that most who lambast Zola as tactically inept have no idea of tactics and certainly could not give an example. I'm not saying Zola is perfect and I'm not disputing that the jury is out, perhaps justifiably, but I don't like the idea of sacking someone at the first sign of 'trouble'. It seems there are many fans who are demanding instant success. Give him a chance to turn this around. Its a terrible run yes but this happens in football. If relegation becomes an actual possibility then of course the Pozzos will do something about it. If we get a break from the injuries, get our best player back in Abdi, get Anya back and can sign a couple of decent players in January then I believe Zola can turn it around. I hope he gets the chance but if the Pozzos make a decision at whatever point then I trust them. They have a proven track record, they know what they're doing.[/p][/quote]I was referring more to the play-off final. Seems that Holloway had out -thought Zola tactically and Zola was not able to counter. Perhaps Holloway had indeed learnt well from the league match and - as you say - not a robotic but a human response. Not easy to produce examples, it's about the outcomes. Don't want to be too negative at this stage but my other gripe after Saturday's match was that we don't seem to be able to win a ball in the air - particularly going forward. 15 corners and no hint of success - against a goal for them. Acuna seems the only one who actually aggressively attacks the ball in the air. 27 shots and only 2 on target says a lot as well - why does Fessi slice the ball so much? Surely Zola can put him right on this?[/p][/quote]oh fair enough I misunderstood. But yes perhaps Holloway out-thought Zola in the play off final. after all he's been there, done that, lost and won play off finals before. he's a wily old fox I guess and it wasn't our day. Someone had to lose though. I agree about lack of aerial superiority both defending and attacking. Stoney77

5:26pm Tue 3 Dec 13

mellow yellow says...

Shoooooot wrote:
demerit wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
londomollari wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player.
This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah.
However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won.
Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!!
Excellent post. My feeling, as a 50 year supporter, is the greatest mistake made was the departure of last seasons coaches and, seemingly, a poor appointment of a replacement. Zola's great weakness is the tactical side. He needs an aide who can advise him on this. As you say, some comments made by him have been ill-considered---Bar




celona wouldn't have got through the Bolton defence? I really hope he can recover from the current low. But I have my doubts. At the end of the day, we supporters can support or criticise Zola as much as we like, but the Pozzo's will make the decisions. They probably know the situation behind the scenes far better than we do. And I am happy to leave it to them---we have to trust them.
COYH
Thanks for the comments so far to a rooky! I am from Ricky but live in Wimbledon now. I go with my son to all the home games & some away. Happily, my son has never shown an interest in supporting Chelsea despite closer proximity! If Zola has tactical challenges, I have technological esp when typing on my iphone. Why does the reproduction of my post add words at random - "amp" for instance!? Anyway - enough trivia - on to cutting comment!
Shooooooot.....are you who I think you are? Any connection with Ricky School?
No - William Penn!!
What?? As in north Dulwich?
[quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!![/p][/quote]Excellent post. My feeling, as a 50 year supporter, is the greatest mistake made was the departure of last seasons coaches and, seemingly, a poor appointment of a replacement. Zola's great weakness is the tactical side. He needs an aide who can advise him on this. As you say, some comments made by him have been ill-considered---Bar celona wouldn't have got through the Bolton defence? I really hope he can recover from the current low. But I have my doubts. At the end of the day, we supporters can support or criticise Zola as much as we like, but the Pozzo's will make the decisions. They probably know the situation behind the scenes far better than we do. And I am happy to leave it to them---we have to trust them. COYH[/p][/quote]Thanks for the comments so far to a rooky! I am from Ricky but live in Wimbledon now. I go with my son to all the home games & some away. Happily, my son has never shown an interest in supporting Chelsea despite closer proximity! If Zola has tactical challenges, I have technological esp when typing on my iphone. Why does the reproduction of my post add words at random - "amp" for instance!? Anyway - enough trivia - on to cutting comment![/p][/quote]Shooooooot.....are you who I think you are? Any connection with Ricky School?[/p][/quote]No - William Penn!![/p][/quote]What?? As in north Dulwich? mellow yellow

5:45pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Shoooooot says...

mellow yellow wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
demerit wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
londomollari wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player.
This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah.
However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won.
Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!!
Excellent post. My feeling, as a 50 year supporter, is the greatest mistake made was the departure of last seasons coaches and, seemingly, a poor appointment of a replacement. Zola's great weakness is the tactical side. He needs an aide who can advise him on this. As you say, some comments made by him have been ill-considered---Bar





celona wouldn't have got through the Bolton defence? I really hope he can recover from the current low. But I have my doubts. At the end of the day, we supporters can support or criticise Zola as much as we like, but the Pozzo's will make the decisions. They probably know the situation behind the scenes far better than we do. And I am happy to leave it to them---we have to trust them.
COYH
Thanks for the comments so far to a rooky! I am from Ricky but live in Wimbledon now. I go with my son to all the home games & some away. Happily, my son has never shown an interest in supporting Chelsea despite closer proximity! If Zola has tactical challenges, I have technological esp when typing on my iphone. Why does the reproduction of my post add words at random - "amp" for instance!? Anyway - enough trivia - on to cutting comment!
Shooooooot.....are you who I think you are? Any connection with Ricky School?
No - William Penn!!
What?? As in north Dulwich?
No - as in Shepherd's Lane Ricky. Doesn't exist anymore - now a housing estate and swimming pool!!
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!![/p][/quote]Excellent post. My feeling, as a 50 year supporter, is the greatest mistake made was the departure of last seasons coaches and, seemingly, a poor appointment of a replacement. Zola's great weakness is the tactical side. He needs an aide who can advise him on this. As you say, some comments made by him have been ill-considered---Bar celona wouldn't have got through the Bolton defence? I really hope he can recover from the current low. But I have my doubts. At the end of the day, we supporters can support or criticise Zola as much as we like, but the Pozzo's will make the decisions. They probably know the situation behind the scenes far better than we do. And I am happy to leave it to them---we have to trust them. COYH[/p][/quote]Thanks for the comments so far to a rooky! I am from Ricky but live in Wimbledon now. I go with my son to all the home games & some away. Happily, my son has never shown an interest in supporting Chelsea despite closer proximity! If Zola has tactical challenges, I have technological esp when typing on my iphone. Why does the reproduction of my post add words at random - "amp" for instance!? Anyway - enough trivia - on to cutting comment![/p][/quote]Shooooooot.....are you who I think you are? Any connection with Ricky School?[/p][/quote]No - William Penn!![/p][/quote]What?? As in north Dulwich?[/p][/quote]No - as in Shepherd's Lane Ricky. Doesn't exist anymore - now a housing estate and swimming pool!! Shoooooot

5:54pm Tue 3 Dec 13

the jesterwestport says...

just put 100euro on the hornets at 12/5 with paddypower am i losing the plot? havent won in almost 2 months and yet were only 5 points off the play offs cmon lets be having ya .............. yellow army!!!!!!!!!!
just put 100euro on the hornets at 12/5 with paddypower am i losing the plot? havent won in almost 2 months and yet were only 5 points off the play offs cmon lets be having ya .............. yellow army!!!!!!!!!! the jesterwestport

6:33pm Tue 3 Dec 13

OliverF1976 says...

rayman01 wrote:
I doubt that we know how to sit off a team and break back on the counter at the moment. Especially without Anya and Abdi. Stick with most of the team from Saturday including Bond and Bellerin who did very well. Any points tonight welcome. Must defend setpieces better and for Thorne or Iriney to cover backline. Luv the Horns and think possitive!
Yes Bond did brilliantly. He conceded 3 goals and I suggest you watch him closely for the first goal. Pathetic. We need Almunia back. He may make the odd mistake but his experience is invaluable. Bond still has a lot to learn.
[quote][p][bold]rayman01[/bold] wrote: I doubt that we know how to sit off a team and break back on the counter at the moment. Especially without Anya and Abdi. Stick with most of the team from Saturday including Bond and Bellerin who did very well. Any points tonight welcome. Must defend setpieces better and for Thorne or Iriney to cover backline. Luv the Horns and think possitive![/p][/quote]Yes Bond did brilliantly. He conceded 3 goals and I suggest you watch him closely for the first goal. Pathetic. We need Almunia back. He may make the odd mistake but his experience is invaluable. Bond still has a lot to learn. OliverF1976

12:40pm Wed 4 Dec 13

demerit says...

Shoooooot wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
demerit wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
londomollari wrote:
Shoooooot wrote:
This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player.
This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah.
However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won.
Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!!
Excellent post. My feeling, as a 50 year supporter, is the greatest mistake made was the departure of last seasons coaches and, seemingly, a poor appointment of a replacement. Zola's great weakness is the tactical side. He needs an aide who can advise him on this. As you say, some comments made by him have been ill-considered---Bar






celona wouldn't have got through the Bolton defence? I really hope he can recover from the current low. But I have my doubts. At the end of the day, we supporters can support or criticise Zola as much as we like, but the Pozzo's will make the decisions. They probably know the situation behind the scenes far better than we do. And I am happy to leave it to them---we have to trust them.
COYH
Thanks for the comments so far to a rooky! I am from Ricky but live in Wimbledon now. I go with my son to all the home games & some away. Happily, my son has never shown an interest in supporting Chelsea despite closer proximity! If Zola has tactical challenges, I have technological esp when typing on my iphone. Why does the reproduction of my post add words at random - "amp" for instance!? Anyway - enough trivia - on to cutting comment!
Shooooooot.....are you who I think you are? Any connection with Ricky School?
No - William Penn!!
What?? As in north Dulwich?
No - as in Shepherd's Lane Ricky. Doesn't exist anymore - now a housing estate and swimming pool!!
Ok, it's just that I know someone of similar age to you (I'm guessing) who used to live in Ricky, supports Watford and who now lives in Wimbledon...
[quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoooooot[/bold] wrote: This is my first contribution to the blog. I have been a Watford supporter for 47 years and have, of course, seen many ups & downs. Last season was possibly the most exciting of all especially the play-off home to Leicester. I doubt if I will ever see the likes of it again. We all owe the Pozzo's a huge debt if gratitude & I would dearly love Zola to succeed. He is a real gentleman & was an outstanding player. This season so far feels a bit like the morning after the night before. Losing 4 outstanding players ( inc Abdi) has not made it easy. The speed of the counter is lacking without the pace of Vydra, the link work of Hogg & the vision of Chalobah. However, we have to accept that Zola is exhibiting tactical naivety in play & in some of his comments. Ferguson would never claim to be satisfied with under- achievement or claim an opposition defence is too good for the best team in the world. He needs to be tougher & meaner which may not be his forte. I am also bemused by rotation. So, you don't rotate when you've had a howler of a game but last season when we were flying, constant changes - especially dropping Vydra, arguably cost us promotion. The signs of tactical naivety were all to evident v Palace - a game we should have won. Starting tonight - I hope as we all do that the players regain a bit of confidence & put us back on the road to recovery. COYH!![/p][/quote]Excellent post. My feeling, as a 50 year supporter, is the greatest mistake made was the departure of last seasons coaches and, seemingly, a poor appointment of a replacement. Zola's great weakness is the tactical side. He needs an aide who can advise him on this. As you say, some comments made by him have been ill-considered---Bar celona wouldn't have got through the Bolton defence? I really hope he can recover from the current low. But I have my doubts. At the end of the day, we supporters can support or criticise Zola as much as we like, but the Pozzo's will make the decisions. They probably know the situation behind the scenes far better than we do. And I am happy to leave it to them---we have to trust them. COYH[/p][/quote]Thanks for the comments so far to a rooky! I am from Ricky but live in Wimbledon now. I go with my son to all the home games & some away. Happily, my son has never shown an interest in supporting Chelsea despite closer proximity! If Zola has tactical challenges, I have technological esp when typing on my iphone. Why does the reproduction of my post add words at random - "amp" for instance!? Anyway - enough trivia - on to cutting comment![/p][/quote]Shooooooot.....are you who I think you are? Any connection with Ricky School?[/p][/quote]No - William Penn!![/p][/quote]What?? As in north Dulwich?[/p][/quote]No - as in Shepherd's Lane Ricky. Doesn't exist anymore - now a housing estate and swimming pool!![/p][/quote]Ok, it's just that I know someone of similar age to you (I'm guessing) who used to live in Ricky, supports Watford and who now lives in Wimbledon... demerit

12:46pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Harry's Bar says...

OliverF1976 wrote:
rayman01 wrote:
I doubt that we know how to sit off a team and break back on the counter at the moment. Especially without Anya and Abdi. Stick with most of the team from Saturday including Bond and Bellerin who did very well. Any points tonight welcome. Must defend setpieces better and for Thorne or Iriney to cover backline. Luv the Horns and think possitive!
Yes Bond did brilliantly. He conceded 3 goals and I suggest you watch him closely for the first goal. Pathetic. We need Almunia back. He may make the odd mistake but his experience is invaluable. Bond still has a lot to learn.
Disagree. As we had no player on the near post Bond had to cover it or the player could have nodded the ball straight in.
[quote][p][bold]OliverF1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayman01[/bold] wrote: I doubt that we know how to sit off a team and break back on the counter at the moment. Especially without Anya and Abdi. Stick with most of the team from Saturday including Bond and Bellerin who did very well. Any points tonight welcome. Must defend setpieces better and for Thorne or Iriney to cover backline. Luv the Horns and think possitive![/p][/quote]Yes Bond did brilliantly. He conceded 3 goals and I suggest you watch him closely for the first goal. Pathetic. We need Almunia back. He may make the odd mistake but his experience is invaluable. Bond still has a lot to learn.[/p][/quote]Disagree. As we had no player on the near post Bond had to cover it or the player could have nodded the ball straight in. Harry's Bar

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