Watford let winning position slip as Blackpool claim Vicarage Road points
5:08pm Saturday 9th March 2013 in Latest Sport By Anthony Matthews, Group Sports Editor
Hornets suffer Blackpool setback
Watford remain second in the Championship but they were unable to increase the pressure on their promotion rivals after Blackpool came from behind to win 2-1 at Vicarage Road.
Fernando Forestieri and Jonathan Hogg both had opportunities to give the Hornets the lead before Cristian Battocchio deservedly put them in front in the 27th minute with a composed finish.
However, Jonathan Bond was twice called into action to make fine saves from Tom Ince and Kirk Broadfoot, but the Hornets should also have been awarded a penalty just before the interval when Troy Deeney was clearly pulled back in the area.
Blackpool had more of the game after the break but Matthew Briggs missed a fine chance to celebrate his first Hornets start with a goal before Tom Ince levelled for the visitors.
But worse was to come for the hosts two minutes from time when Gary MacKenzie capitalised on a mistake from Jonathan Bond, who let a Tom Ince corner squirm from his grasp, and bundled in the winner.
Apart from the defeat, perhaps the most disappointing aspect for the Hornets was the fact they were only had six goal attempts, suggesting they did most the creativity of the injured Almen Abdi and Nathaniel Chalobah.
Gianfranco Zola made four changes to the team which came from behind to beat Sheffield Wednesday on Tuesday, most of which were, to a greater or lesser extent, enforced - and one was very late in the day.
There were fitness concerns over Joel Ekstrand and Marco Cassetti, while Chalobah, who replaced Hogg at half-time against the Owls and would have been expected to start, was ruled out with a hamstring injury.
This meant Fulham loanee Matthew Briggs made his debut, Mark Yeates came in for his first start since early December, Lloyd Doyley returned after being rested for most of the Wednesday contest, while Tuesday night’s two-goal hero Forestieri was given the nod over Matej Vydra, who was on the bench alongside Cassetti and Ekstrand.
However, the injury situation got worse for the Hornets just before kick off when Almen Abdi sustained a problem in the warm-up. Hogg, who was meant to be on the bench, took his place and made his 100th professional start, while Sean Murray was a late replacement among the substitutes.
Blackpool, who came into the contest without a win in five, made just the one change from their 1-1 draw at Birmingham City last time out, with Matt Derbyshire replacing the injured Gary Taylor-Fletcher.
Despite the pre-match disruption, the Hornets started well, with Briggs looking composed and confident at the back and Anya’s pace suggesting it might again be a beneficial outlet on the right.
But it was the visitors who had the first attempt in the fifth minute when Tom Ince nodded the ball into the path of Derbyshire, who struck an angled right-footed half-volley on the turn which Bond held well.
There was a slightly more anxious moment for the Hornets keeper soon after when he went up to claim a Neal Eardley cross at the back post and dropped the ball under pressure from Derbyshire, but reacted smartly to claim it at the second attempt.
Watford though, spurned a good opportunity to take the lead with their first attack of note in the eighth minute.
Yeates dispossessed Eardley in the centre circle and broke forward, with his side three-on-two, and advanced before slipping in Forestieri on the right side of the area and the Argentine fired across goal and narrowly wide of the far post.
Another fine chance came and went two minutes later when Anya crossed impressively from the right and Hogg arrived late on the edge of the six-yard box and got in front of Deeney with a powerful downward header which went just the wrong side of Matthew Gilks’ left-hand post.
The game then settled down, but with the hosts still keeping possession well, and as the halfway point of the opening period approached they began to up the ante again, winning three corners in quick succession, the third of which led to Daniel Pudil going down in the area under a challenge from Broadfoot but referee Andrew Madley awarded a free-kick to the visitors.
From their next attack in the 27th minute though, the Hornets deservedly took the lead.
Deeney pressurised MacKenzie into a mistake, leaving Blackpool with just one defender back as the Hornets striker advanced before lifting the ball into the path of Battocchio, who had to make up a bit of ground but scored with a lovely first-time dinked finish over Gilks to make it 1-0.
Blackpool hadn’t offered too much of an attacking threat before going behind but in the 30th minute Tom Ince let fly with a right-footed drive from outside the area which Bond had to dive to his right to push away for a corner.
Madley got his yellow card for the first time in the 36th minute when Forestieri was booked for diving after seemingly going down in anticipation of a challenge on the edge of the area.
However, it took a quite superb save from Bond to keep the Hornets in front two minutes later when he leapt high to his left to athletically push away a Broadfoot header following a free-kick. Following the resultant corner, Matt Phillips also had a goal-bound shot blocked.
Watford, and Deeney in particular, had good cause to feel hard done by a minute before the interval when the striker was clearly tugged back by MacKenzie after rolling the defender as he tried to turn and get on the end of Pudil’s flick back into the area from an Anya cross.
That was the last incident of the first half but before the referee could leave the pitch he was confronted by Deeney followed by Derbyshire and Blackpool boss Paul Ince.
The opposition manager decided to make a change at the interval, bringing on Ludovic Sylvestre for Eardley, as his side looked to get back in the game.
The Hornets had the first attempt of the second half six minutes after the restart when Battocchio fired wide of Gilks’ right-hand post from the edge of the area after a combination of Yeates and Briggs had helped work back a deep Yeates cross from the left side of the area.
Blackpool were giving it a go in the opening stages of the second period but while they were knocking it around nicely at times, it was rarely in areas where they could seriously trouble their hosts.
But Watford really should have gone two up on the hour when Nyron Nosworthy did well to keep the ball in play to the right of goal before finding Anya, whose cross was flicked on by Deeney but the touch may have been just enough to put off Briggs, who glanced wide of the target when he had a great chance to cap his debut with a goal.
Blackpool made a second change after 67 minutes when Nathan Delfouneso came on for Derbyshire and a minute later Forestieri made way for Vydra.
The visitors started to knock increasingly on the door following those changes and in the 75th minute they equalised. The Hornets were opened up down their right as the ball was worked to Stephen Crainey and his low cross was flicked inside Bond’s near post by Tom Ince to make it 1-1.
Pudil was replaced by Ekstrand with ten minutes left and then Alex Geijo came on for Anya as the home side sought a big finish.
Deeney did manage to squeeze in a shot as he managed to work a partial opening on the left side of the area, but the shot lacked power and Gilks was able to save comfortably.
Marko Futacs came on for Angel with two minutes left and he arrived on the pitch in time to see his side take the lead in a moment Bond will want to forget quickly.
Blackpool won a corner on the right which Tom Ince took and Bond went up to claim, only to let it squirm from his grasp and MacKenzie was able to bundle the ball over the line to make it 2-1.
Tom Ince fired another opportunity wide in four minutes of injury time but the Hornets again had claims for a penalty when Doyley looked to check back in the area on his right foot and appeared to be tripped. In truth though, the appeals were more from the crowd as Watford’s automatic promotion ambitions suffered a blow.
Watford: Bond; Doyley, Nosworthy, Briggs; Anya (Geijo 85), Battocchio, Yeates, Hogg, Pudil (Ekstrand 80); Deeney, Forestieri (Vydra 68). Not used: Murray, Cassetti, Bonham and Mujangi Bia.
Blackpool: Gilks; Baptiste, Broadfoot, MacKenzie, Crainey; Eardley (Sylvestre 46), Angel (Futacs 88); M Phillips, Ferguson, Ince; Derbyshire (Delfouneso 67). Not used: Grandin, Cathcart, Halstead and Caton.
Bookings: Forestieri for simulation (36).
Referee: Andrew Madley.
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Comments(112)
Stoney77
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5:18pm Sat 9 Mar 13
True watford fan
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5:23pm Sat 9 Mar 13
corbindallas
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5:29pm Sat 9 Mar 13
JohnnyHornet
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5:42pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:Very poor second half IMO, Blackpool with nothing but pride to play for and that can sometimes be the worst thing to play against, we were poor, too many changes again = no points, when is the penny going to drop, Cassetti, Chalobah and Abdi badly missed, one bright spot Briggs looked reasonable and comfortable.
No Abdi +No Cassetti + No Chalo + No Ekstrand = No points. Still C&C&E got a nice rest which is what really matters after all ?
Few total shots, fewer shots on target and fewer corners.
Dodgy penalty shout but we can’t really complain. This was probably our easiest game on paper between now and the end of the season as blackpool had nothing to play for.
Guy Bov
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5:42pm Sat 9 Mar 13
dominicfoleyisgod
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5:44pm Sat 9 Mar 13
We can't all whinge about the changes as they were nearly all forced with Elkstrand and NC injury doubts, AA in the warm up. And FF was riding high after scoring 2 so why shouldn't he start?
Big game next week, MV to start and score and get back in form for the 3 massive games after. Keep the faith. See you in Barnsley. COYH.
a1derek
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6:00pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Clearly missed Abdi and Chalobah and think if he had been fully fit Cassetti would have started in midfield ahead of Yeates. Thought Hogg played O.K today, but he lacks the creativity and that bit of guile to open the opposition up. Yeates was better than normal, but again, lacks the vision, too slow, doesn't pick a pass, loses the ball far too often, turns into trouble and offered nothing creative...and when given the chance his delivery was poor. I know it's "what ifs" but think with our "first team" playing today we would have won by a country mile.
Briggs a big plus, thought he looked pretty good and Bond good again, although partly at fault for their second, but it was a wicked corner.
Definite pen on Deeney, thought the one on Lloyd at the end looked a pretty good shout as well, but others say not. Overall ref poor, but in all honesty, don't think we really deserved anything today.
So, onwards and upwards and 3 points at Barnsley keeps us in the mix, shame we couldn't have really made it squeaky bum time for Fatty.
bigthunder
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6:02pm Sat 9 Mar 13
never had a shot in second half ! Zola says we played very well , really , sorry must have missed that , again far too many changes disrupts the team , yes some enforced but your top goalscorer sits on the bench , sorry that is a joke
forestieri is not a striker , game passed him by again today made no contribution at all
Need our experienced players in the team , need Aluminia back soon , Bond doing ok but last two games has cost us goals , no good making loads of good saves and then gifting teams goals , but he is young so no blame on him and why is he having to make so many saves Mr Zola !!! because we are sitting too **** back
teams are now starting to see we are not attacking them and are getting more confident in having a go at us , we got lucky in week vs Weds , lucky vs Derby , threw away points at Wolves and now today , do we want automatic or not , sorry that was not good enouh today against a very average side as i said never had a shot in 2nd half
Ronny oh Ronny Ronny
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6:12pm Sat 9 Mar 13
peter10531089
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6:19pm Sat 9 Mar 13
If we play with two up front can we please play with Vydra as his threat of running in behind means that teams have to drop off. Today in the second half their defence pushed up contesting midfield and stopping us play, they get to do this because Forestierri doesn't offer the same runs in behind the defence and doesn't play close to Deeney in the manner that Vydra does - if he plays wide in 4-3-3 Forestierri can splice a full back either side and be a real threat.
Thought Nosworthy was outstanding again.
If only we had taken our chances - starting to sound familiar at the moment
peter10531089
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6:20pm Sat 9 Mar 13
peter10531089
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6:29pm Sat 9 Mar 13
a1derek wrote:just goes to show its a game of opinions cos I thought hogg was v.poor and yeates was really good.
Real shame about the result today. Thought at half time the team we were able to put out maybe looked good enough to grind one out, but not to be.
Clearly missed Abdi and Chalobah and think if he had been fully fit Cassetti would have started in midfield ahead of Yeates. Thought Hogg played O.K today, but he lacks the creativity and that bit of guile to open the opposition up. Yeates was better than normal, but again, lacks the vision, too slow, doesn't pick a pass, loses the ball far too often, turns into trouble and offered nothing creative...and when given the chance his delivery was poor. I know it's "what ifs" but think with our "first team" playing today we would have won by a country mile.
Briggs a big plus, thought he looked pretty good and Bond good again, although partly at fault for their second, but it was a wicked corner.
Definite pen on Deeney, thought the one on Lloyd at the end looked a pretty good shout as well, but others say not. Overall ref poor, but in all honesty, don't think we really deserved anything today.
So, onwards and upwards and 3 points at Barnsley keeps us in the mix, shame we couldn't have really made it squeaky bum time for Fatty.
Glad we can agree the ref was a muppet though :-)
1234566789
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6:31pm Sat 9 Mar 13
bonserout
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6:33pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Cassetti is a huge presence in the watford team and was missed today.
1234566789
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6:33pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Mohandas
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6:40pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Guy Bov wrote:Back to the drawing board and knocking some heads. Nothing worth having is going to be easy.
Hugely disappointing not to cement our position in second spot but injuries to key players Abdi, Chalobah and Cassetti key to defeat. Important now to get back on track against Barnsley next Saturday. At least Palace only drew and Leicester lost. Cardiff and Hull the only winers from today.
Hornet Cornet
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6:40pm Sat 9 Mar 13
miked2006
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6:41pm Sat 9 Mar 13
The second half was absolutely terrible. Zola should have reacted to their sub at half time when it was clear our midfield were being completely overrun. It looked like a performance from a team in the relegation rather than the promotion places. It is slightly worrying that we do seem to only have one good half in us recently. But on the other hand I can't complain too much, we would have beaten them 9 or 10 nil if half their starting 11 were missing.
Oh and both Ince's... what absolute sc*mbags.
lutondown
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6:49pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Stil second, Cardiff v hull draw please
AngelHornet
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7:18pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Not sure how long Chalobah and Abdi will be out for, but feel that without them, our promotion charge may have to wait.
Hope I'm wrong!
Eastsussexhornet
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7:18pm Sat 9 Mar 13
lutondown wrote:Too many changes but I don't know how many were forced. Abdi obviously was but what about Chalobah? What is wrong with Vydra? Are the other teams wising up now?
We were dire,the ref was dire. Depressed, bed. Saw the team and thought the worst
Stil second, Cardiff v hull draw please
Two dead cert pens. But we can't blame it on that. We should have polished them off without those.
I don't suppose Dychey will be in the mood to do us a favour
micksolly
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7:22pm Sat 9 Mar 13
1234566789 wrote:Yes what was all that about one arrogant little arsehole and his **** head of a father, who should have been more humble in his first win.
Oh and the Ince family. Really? Father and son both celebrating at the Rookery? Why?
peter10531089
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7:40pm Sat 9 Mar 13
micksolly wrote:In fairness to Ince - with his recent managerial track record he should celebrate as I doubt he'll last a full season.
1234566789 wrote:Yes what was all that about one arrogant little arsehole and his **** head of a father, who should have been more humble in his first win.
Oh and the Ince family. Really? Father and son both celebrating at the Rookery? Why?
DuffmanWFC
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7:48pm Sat 9 Mar 13
We were guilty of not killing the game off in the 1st half! The same as Wolves and Palace game:- in control but let it slip away!
If we had been more clinical in front of goal and got the penalty we could of been 2-0 or 3-0 up at half time!
Chalobah and Abdi missing in midfield are hard to replace and Vydra hasn't been at his best recently!
We missed Ekstrand and Cassetti but we have to draw a line under today and move on!
Yes it's a dissapointment and I must admit when the side was announced I thought the worst but we are still second and if we can get back to our form before today we most certainly can still go up!
I still believe! Keep the faith guys!
mk6 hornet
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7:53pm Sat 9 Mar 13
HorshamHornet
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7:55pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Lets hope that we can get COYHS
HorshamHornet
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8:01pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Henry VIII
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8:02pm Sat 9 Mar 13
lutondown
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8:09pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Henry VIII wrote:Chalobah was not left out he's injured as was Abdi. Leaving out a fit Cassetti and Ekstrand is the real mystery
This was a bad loss today. As a good friend of mine pointed out, we seem to be carrying more muscle related injuries this year and I don't think we are as fit as we need to be. That needs addressing for the run-in, if we are fortunate enough it could mean a further three games. Lately we seem a little flat, Vydra is the not the same since returning from International duty and I would question GFZ on leaving out Chalobah today. To be fair managers get it wrong, just as players do, but the high number of changes is something that I thought was a lesson learned after Bristol. The good news is that we are still second, but we will have to play better and for the longer periods during a game if we really want that second spot. The lack of finishing goes ithout saying, but I said it :) Forest won again (my tip for the usual late runner0 and thankfully they also have to play several of our rivals. I am dissapointed but not suprised, as I always say the beauty of this league is that anyone can win on any given day. Barnsley next and we must all remember that second spot is still thankfully in our own hands. Hopefully a different ref next time though.
SAHornet
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8:17pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Ronny oh Ronny Ronny wrote:Sorry Ronnie but I think today does change that. Good illustration, as if one was needed, that our first team is the only one that wins comfortably. Let's face it, when we're 1-0 up with our second string we all have squeaky bums as we've lost from that position so many times now.
We will probably lose 2 or 3 more before the end of the season, no one wins them all. Think 1st may just be beyond our reach now but 2nd is ours, today doesn't change that
holtonian
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8:18pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet
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8:28pm Sat 9 Mar 13
holtonian wrote:No. Yorks and Lancs hate each other. The ref was terrible today but I don't think you can lump all the blame on the ref because he didn't award the penalties. We should have dealt with them outside of those. And if he had awarded a pen, who knows how that would have changed the game.
You can understand iust how Jones fealt last tuesday. I did notice the refereee came from up north, west yorks....You have to wonder.
No, we just didn't take our chances which, frankly, has been the problem over the last 3 home games. We just got away with it before. I think that 3 wins and a loss while we are not taking our chances is good but not good enough to catch Cardiff. If Dyche can do his stuff for us, I may change my mind.
Still, remember, Hull have been thrashed twice in the last 3 weeks, Leicester are falling away, Middlesbrough already have and Brighton may scrape into the play-offs, that's all. 2nd place still for us I think.
Guy Bov
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8:28pm Sat 9 Mar 13
lutondown wrote:Think Ekstrand and Cassetti had knocks as well and if the likes of Fitz Hall and Neuton were fit and available I suspect both may have been left out of the squad completely
Henry VIII wrote:Chalobah was not left out he's injured as was Abdi. Leaving out a fit Cassetti and Ekstrand is the real mystery
This was a bad loss today. As a good friend of mine pointed out, we seem to be carrying more muscle related injuries this year and I don't think we are as fit as we need to be. That needs addressing for the run-in, if we are fortunate enough it could mean a further three games. Lately we seem a little flat, Vydra is the not the same since returning from International duty and I would question GFZ on leaving out Chalobah today. To be fair managers get it wrong, just as players do, but the high number of changes is something that I thought was a lesson learned after Bristol. The good news is that we are still second, but we will have to play better and for the longer periods during a game if we really want that second spot. The lack of finishing goes ithout saying, but I said it :) Forest won again (my tip for the usual late runner0 and thankfully they also have to play several of our rivals. I am dissapointed but not suprised, as I always say the beauty of this league is that anyone can win on any given day. Barnsley next and we must all remember that second spot is still thankfully in our own hands. Hopefully a different ref next time though.
Big Cliff was King
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8:33pm Sat 9 Mar 13
peter10531089 wrote:Like father like son. I wonder why the ref felt the need to suck up to such an unpleasant pair in such an obvious way.
micksolly wrote:In fairness to Ince - with his recent managerial track record he should celebrate as I doubt he'll last a full season.
1234566789 wrote:Yes what was all that about one arrogant little arsehole and his **** head of a father, who should have been more humble in his first win.
Oh and the Ince family. Really? Father and son both celebrating at the Rookery? Why?
Henry VIII
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8:34pm Sat 9 Mar 13
lutondown wrote:I didn't realise that Chabolah was injured, he was jumping over the advertising boards signing autographs before the game :)
Henry VIII wrote:Chalobah was not left out he's injured as was Abdi. Leaving out a fit Cassetti and Ekstrand is the real mystery
This was a bad loss today. As a good friend of mine pointed out, we seem to be carrying more muscle related injuries this year and I don't think we are as fit as we need to be. That needs addressing for the run-in, if we are fortunate enough it could mean a further three games. Lately we seem a little flat, Vydra is the not the same since returning from International duty and I would question GFZ on leaving out Chalobah today. To be fair managers get it wrong, just as players do, but the high number of changes is something that I thought was a lesson learned after Bristol. The good news is that we are still second, but we will have to play better and for the longer periods during a game if we really want that second spot. The lack of finishing goes ithout saying, but I said it :) Forest won again (my tip for the usual late runner0 and thankfully they also have to play several of our rivals. I am dissapointed but not suprised, as I always say the beauty of this league is that anyone can win on any given day. Barnsley next and we must all remember that second spot is still thankfully in our own hands. Hopefully a different ref next time though.
lutondown
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8:41pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet wrote:You know that's about right. Wonders never cease.
holtonian wrote:No. Yorks and Lancs hate each other. The ref was terrible today but I don't think you can lump all the blame on the ref because he didn't award the penalties. We should have dealt with them outside of those. And if he had awarded a pen, who knows how that would have changed the game.
You can understand iust how Jones fealt last tuesday. I did notice the refereee came from up north, west yorks....You have to wonder.
No, we just didn't take our chances which, frankly, has been the problem over the last 3 home games. We just got away with it before. I think that 3 wins and a loss while we are not taking our chances is good but not good enough to catch Cardiff. If Dyche can do his stuff for us, I may change my mind.
Still, remember, Hull have been thrashed twice in the last 3 weeks, Leicester are falling away, Middlesbrough already have and Brighton may scrape into the play-offs, that's all. 2nd place still for us I think.
But look at the table, everyone's had a wobble, lets get back on track next week.
In a week that's seen two friends diagnosed with cancer, perspective is very easy tonight.
Evening all,tomorrow's another day
There was only one Scully
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9:12pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Now, apart from the idiot party member who I think has only following us for 3/4 seasons (LD) we had a reality check today. Yes, missed loads and should have been 3 up at half time. I think GFZ needs to have an alternative tactic for teams at home cos we really always seem to hang on as the game goes on.
Its been happening to many times this season to give away so many last minute goals and you would of thought by now it would be a wake up call!
CARDIFFHORN
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9:13pm Sat 9 Mar 13
lutondown
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9:15pm Sat 9 Mar 13
There was only one Scully wrote:You really are a fool I've followed this club for 43 years. Plan A has Got us top two. Now lets talk about this Hogg obsession ....you teat
If you read the Times today, (those that can) there was a good write up about us and our performance, so far!
Now, apart from the idiot party member who I think has only following us for 3/4 seasons (LD) we had a reality check today. Yes, missed loads and should have been 3 up at half time. I think GFZ needs to have an alternative tactic for teams at home cos we really always seem to hang on as the game goes on.
Its been happening to many times this season to give away so many last minute goals and you would of thought by now it would be a wake up call!
kingofpop
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9:46pm Sat 9 Mar 13
All the changes were forced and although midfield went missing second half it also happen when chabola and abdi played against palace and wolves the same thing happend so is it more
tactics than personnel?
oxheypaul
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10:19pm Sat 9 Mar 13
The ref was useless though and as for those Inces....could you imagine being their next door neighbour?
1982WFC
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10:31pm Sat 9 Mar 13
But that said we did seem to once again sit too deep & invite them on us after the hour mark & it has cost us (along with poor refereeing) the points today. Lets get back on the road & put this one behind us.
COYH!!
JonBoy
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10:46pm Sat 9 Mar 13
bonserout wrote:Agree with all of that. Abdi and Chalobah make us tick. Deeney was being pulled all over the place, the referee was weak. We're due another big win soon.
The strength of our midfield is that they can take the ball from our back three and make defence splitting passes on a fairly regular basis. You are never going to get that sort of play with Hogg and Yates in midfield whose default setting is to play the ball back to where it came from or at best sideways. Neither of them did much wrong today but they are not in the same class as Abdi and Chalobah.
Cassetti is a huge presence in the watford team and was missed today.
Holly68
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11:03pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Hogg lots of energy, no quality
Nosworthy man of the match
Bond flapped at 2nd goal, he is young, makes some worldly saves, but is prone to an error per game which has been punished twice
1st half should've been 2 up minimum
Ref was poor, Deeney was strangled 1st half
However 2nd half we were poor, dropped deep, lacked leadership, and this result been coming, by giving ball away too easy, dropping deep ....
I hear the cavalry is coming next week
Gonna need them !!!!
londomollari
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11:10pm Sat 9 Mar 13
DuffmanWFC wrote:Ummm. You can't say we have quality back-ups, then say we miss players, inferring their replacements are not good enouigh. Sorry, nit picking. We may have quality back-ups---but they are not up to the quality of the players they are replacing. We cannot replace the quality of Abdi, Cassetti, Chalobah and Vydra in particular--- as much as their replacements put in a decent stint.
We do have quality back ups and they do have to play as we have a long season in the Championship!
We were guilty of not killing the game off in the 1st half! The same as Wolves and Palace game:- in control but let it slip away!
If we had been more clinical in front of goal and got the penalty we could of been 2-0 or 3-0 up at half time!
Chalobah and Abdi missing in midfield are hard to replace and Vydra hasn't been at his best recently!
We missed Ekstrand and Cassetti but we have to draw a line under today and move on!
Yes it's a dissapointment and I must admit when the side was announced I thought the worst but we are still second and if we can get back to our form before today we most certainly can still go up!
I still believe! Keep the faith guys!
Further, FF is a different type of player to Vydra, and does not seem to function with Deeney as well.
Despite his recent goals, I always feel that a goal from FF is a bonus to a decent performance, not an expectation.
Yes, we should have won, anyway, but it was a result that, over the last three weeks, I felt was coming.
However, it's just one game. Hoping that the injured players will be back next week---onwards and upwards.
mkhornet
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11:15pm Sat 9 Mar 13
1234566789 wrote:Zola is a manager who is intelligent and has class. Ince has no class he's always been, and still is nothing but a dim East End Barrow boy! Looks like his son is following in his footsteps, arrogant little tw*t
Oh and the Ince family. Really? Father and son both celebrating at the Rookery? Why?
Holly68
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12:14am Sun 10 Mar 13
Hopemole
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1:33am Sun 10 Mar 13
DuffmanWFC
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7:43am Sun 10 Mar 13
11:10pm Sat 9 Mar 13
DuffmanWFC wrote:
We do have quality back ups and they do have to play as we have a long season in the Championship!
We were guilty of not killing the game off in the 1st half! The same as Wolves and Palace game:- in control but let it slip away!
If we had been more clinical in front of goal and got the penalty we could of been 2-0 or 3-0 up at half time!
Chalobah and Abdi missing in midfield are hard to replace and Vydra hasn't been at his best recently!
We missed Ekstrand and Cassetti but we have to draw a line under today and move on!
Yes it's a dissapointment and I must admit when the side was announced I thought the worst but we are still second and if we can get back to our form before today we most certainly can still go up!
I still believe! Keep the faith guys!
Ummm. You can't say we have quality back-ups, then say we miss players, inferring their replacements are not good enouigh. Sorry, nit picking. We may have quality back-ups---but they are not up to the quality of the players they are replacing. We cannot replace the quality of Abdi, Cassetti, Chalobah and Vydra in particular--- as much as their replacements put in a decent stint.
Further, FF is a different type of player to Vydra, and does not seem to function with Deeney as well.
Despite his recent goals, I always feel that a goal from FF is a bonus to a decent performance, not an expectation.
Yes, we should have won, anyway, but it was a result that, over the last three weeks, I felt was coming.
However, it's just one game. Hoping that the injured players will be back next week---onwards and upwards.
Yes we missed Chalobah and Abdi because they are the best midfield partnership in our league! There are at least 20 sides in the Champonship that would miss those two I'd they played for them! What I mean is we do gave good back up players but Abdi and Chaloboah are Premiership class and can't be replaced unless you spend millions!
I should imagine Zola wanted to rest Ekstrand and Cassetti as he sees them as playing every game from now?
We don't know how significant this result will be till the end of the season! For me I still believe we can go up and the deciding games are the ones against Cardiff, Hull and Leicester - I'd we beat those three we will go up!
DuffmanWFC
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7:45am Sun 10 Mar 13
lutondown
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7:55am Sun 10 Mar 13
DuffmanWFC wrote:I'm with you mate, we have all gotten into thinking that every game is our right to win, it isn't.
If not I'd lol pants iPhone
Everyone talking about plan b is not looking at the game plan, it's served us very well so far.
Everyone in the race is shaky, and the tension is tangible, but we've already exceeded our expectations for the season.
The referee was a joke, booking FF for being fouled and missing stonewall penalties. He wasn't helped by equally incompetent linos.
Angry to have lost such a game but we are still in it. Very much so.
Ronny oh Ronny Ronny
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8:32am Sun 10 Mar 13
SAHornet wrote:I agree with you to a certain extent as not only were we missing Chalobah, Abdi, Cassetti and Ekstrand, we also desperately miss the leadership of one size and to a certain extent Almuinia, no team could cope with so many injuries, however we weren't awful and Blackpool were no better than us, coupled with some very odd refereeing decisions. Like I said we can't win them all and why should we expect to.
Ronny oh Ronny Ronny wrote:Sorry Ronnie but I think today does change that. Good illustration, as if one was needed, that our first team is the only one that wins comfortably. Let's face it, when we're 1-0 up with our second string we all have squeaky bums as we've lost from that position so many times now.
We will probably lose 2 or 3 more before the end of the season, no one wins them all. Think 1st may just be beyond our reach now but 2nd is ours, today doesn't change that
Eastsussexhornet
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9:43am Sun 10 Mar 13
lutondown wrote:Certainly, and sorry to hear that. We all have very involved lives and for me at least, a good measure of stress thrown in. Football isn't everything but it ranks fairly highly. And I am glad it does sometimes. It helps us to get through the s**tier things.
Eastsussexhornet wrote:You know that's about right. Wonders never cease.
holtonian wrote:No. Yorks and Lancs hate each other. The ref was terrible today but I don't think you can lump all the blame on the ref because he didn't award the penalties. We should have dealt with them outside of those. And if he had awarded a pen, who knows how that would have changed the game.
You can understand iust how Jones fealt last tuesday. I did notice the refereee came from up north, west yorks....You have to wonder.
No, we just didn't take our chances which, frankly, has been the problem over the last 3 home games. We just got away with it before. I think that 3 wins and a loss while we are not taking our chances is good but not good enough to catch Cardiff. If Dyche can do his stuff for us, I may change my mind.
Still, remember, Hull have been thrashed twice in the last 3 weeks, Leicester are falling away, Middlesbrough already have and Brighton may scrape into the play-offs, that's all. 2nd place still for us I think.
But look at the table, everyone's had a wobble, lets get back on track next week.
In a week that's seen two friends diagnosed with cancer, perspective is very easy tonight.
Evening all,tomorrow's another day
Yes, I would my money on 2nd still but I find it very frustrating that catching Cardiff seems a goal too far.
Big Cliff was King
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9:53am Sun 10 Mar 13
northofwatfordpete
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9:59am Sun 10 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet
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10:09am Sun 10 Mar 13
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
ChunkeyMonkey
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10:16am Sun 10 Mar 13
On the plus side, no other team is as good as ours, nine(?) games to go in the regular season and the new recruit from Fulham looks as though he can slot in pretty seamlessly. This really is the best trip we have been on for nigh on thirty years.
Oracledave
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10:36am Sun 10 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet wrote:The omission of Ekstrand may have been tactical/cyclical and anyway I thought Briggs looked very promising - shame about the missed header.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
Cassetti is 35 has played all season in league which I suspect may be more physically demanding that Serie A and had a knock on Tuesday which initially looked like he would have to be subbed.
We will need him in the big games !
Holly68
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10:50am Sun 10 Mar 13
1st Half v Wednesday poor
Only game we played well full 90 was Birmingham, one in last 7, so we deserved a slap
On the bright side we are still second, top spot is maybe too far a challenge given yesterday's result, but I expect Burnley v Hull to be a draw so we will remain 2nd, albeit 3 way race to finish
At the start of season, if someone offered 2nd place with 9 games to go, we all say YES PLEASE
If everyone Fit, team next week :
Alumina
Ekstrand
Nosworthy (MoM yesterday)
Hall
Abdi
Chalobah
Battochio or new player
Briggs
Cassetti
Vydra
Deeney
Bench : Bond, Geijo, Fessi, Anya, Battochio or new player, Doyley, Pudil
Then god help us for Burnley as 2/3 days after internationals, as will be relying on Hogg, Murray, Yeates etc again !!!!
@ChrisBottom16
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10:57am Sun 10 Mar 13
That is at least half of our prefered 1st team missing. No team in this league would cope with those number of player's out.
With no Almunia, Hall, Cassetti and Abdi we lack all the real leader's of the group.
BUT.. The defeat has been coming and i'm sure will help re-focus the group and help us kick on.
We need to stay pozzotive, at 6pm on the 1st of September 2012, having just been thrashed 5-1 at Derby, how many of us thought we would be 2nd or 3rd with just over 10 games to go...
Zola, the coaches and the player's are doing a fantastic job. Let's not forget we are a new club to all intense of purposes.
Defeat is not alway's a bad thing so let's pick ourselves up and go again.
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU OOOOOOOOOOOOORN'S!
@ChrisBottom16
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11:05am Sun 10 Mar 13
corbindallas wrote:Wow! Not seen you post in age's!!! Is that because we have been doing well???
Not happy with that result great chance to make space with Palarse drawing, why the big changes again, why can't we capitalise on the 2nd spot???Also why do we seem to be having a run of poor refs????We just can't hang on to leads and I keep thinking this is down to 2 reasons 1/Playing 3 at the back all the time 2/ Strikers not gelling enough Vydra is not on all cylinders or in tune with Deeney at the mo and FF needs to get his head up more and share more, at least Deeney is setting up assists.
I bet a successfull Watford team are ruining your Saturday night's!!!
You have to sit in your room moaning to yourself rather than come on here and bore all of us to death!!!
It's ashame the world has to have idiot's and doom merchant's like you in it, thankfully your a minority!!!
@ChrisBottom16
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11:09am Sun 10 Mar 13
lutondown wrote:Blimey!!! I see old plastic fan, scummy is back!!!
There was only one Scully wrote:You really are a fool I've followed this club for 43 years. Plan A has Got us top two. Now lets talk about this Hogg obsession ....you teat
If you read the Times today, (those that can) there was a good write up about us and our performance, so far!
Now, apart from the idiot party member who I think has only following us for 3/4 seasons (LD) we had a reality check today. Yes, missed loads and should have been 3 up at half time. I think GFZ needs to have an alternative tactic for teams at home cos we really always seem to hang on as the game goes on.
Its been happening to many times this season to give away so many last minute goals and you would of thought by now it would be a wake up call!
Why do you only pop up on here to have a go or when we have lost...
I guess a winning Watford has really screwed your life up, what with you not been able to post on here!!!
I feel sorry for your teddy bear with all the beating's you have been givin it each time we win a game!!!
And then you come on and have a pop at a loyal fan???
Why don't you bore off and save us all the job of tellin you to f**k off???!!!
Hampshire hornet
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11:22am Sun 10 Mar 13
@ChrisBottom16 wrote:Nicely put Chris.. We were awful second half, midfield non existent... Hogg / Yeates should only be bit part players really for another team
lutondown wrote:Blimey!!! I see old plastic fan, scummy is back!!!
There was only one Scully wrote:You really are a fool I've followed this club for 43 years. Plan A has Got us top two. Now lets talk about this Hogg obsession ....you teat
If you read the Times today, (those that can) there was a good write up about us and our performance, so far!
Now, apart from the idiot party member who I think has only following us for 3/4 seasons (LD) we had a reality check today. Yes, missed loads and should have been 3 up at half time. I think GFZ needs to have an alternative tactic for teams at home cos we really always seem to hang on as the game goes on.
Its been happening to many times this season to give away so many last minute goals and you would of thought by now it would be a wake up call!
Why do you only pop up on here to have a go or when we have lost...
I guess a winning Watford has really screwed your life up, what with you not been able to post on here!!!
I feel sorry for your teddy bear with all the beating's you have been givin it each time we win a game!!!
And then you come on and have a pop at a loyal fan???
Why don't you bore off and save us all the job of tellin you to f**k off???!!!
Quote ' Hogg out'.
Hampshire hornet
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11:22am Sun 10 Mar 13
@ChrisBottom16 wrote:Nicely put Chris.. We were awful second half, midfield non existent... Hogg / Yeates should only be bit part players really for another team
lutondown wrote:Blimey!!! I see old plastic fan, scummy is back!!!
There was only one Scully wrote:You really are a fool I've followed this club for 43 years. Plan A has Got us top two. Now lets talk about this Hogg obsession ....you teat
If you read the Times today, (those that can) there was a good write up about us and our performance, so far!
Now, apart from the idiot party member who I think has only following us for 3/4 seasons (LD) we had a reality check today. Yes, missed loads and should have been 3 up at half time. I think GFZ needs to have an alternative tactic for teams at home cos we really always seem to hang on as the game goes on.
Its been happening to many times this season to give away so many last minute goals and you would of thought by now it would be a wake up call!
Why do you only pop up on here to have a go or when we have lost...
I guess a winning Watford has really screwed your life up, what with you not been able to post on here!!!
I feel sorry for your teddy bear with all the beating's you have been givin it each time we win a game!!!
And then you come on and have a pop at a loyal fan???
Why don't you bore off and save us all the job of tellin you to f**k off???!!!
Quote ' Hogg out'.
WessexLad
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11:39am Sun 10 Mar 13
From now on, every game is a big game.
WessexLad
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11:51am Sun 10 Mar 13
The physical balance of the side is as important as the quality of any individual.
mk6 hornet
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12:14pm Sun 10 Mar 13
lutondown wrote:Well said and to be honest we have not got a good record against them recently.
Eastsussexhornet wrote:You know that's about right. Wonders never cease.
holtonian wrote:No. Yorks and Lancs hate each other. The ref was terrible today but I don't think you can lump all the blame on the ref because he didn't award the penalties. We should have dealt with them outside of those. And if he had awarded a pen, who knows how that would have changed the game.
You can understand iust how Jones fealt last tuesday. I did notice the refereee came from up north, west yorks....You have to wonder.
No, we just didn't take our chances which, frankly, has been the problem over the last 3 home games. We just got away with it before. I think that 3 wins and a loss while we are not taking our chances is good but not good enough to catch Cardiff. If Dyche can do his stuff for us, I may change my mind.
Still, remember, Hull have been thrashed twice in the last 3 weeks, Leicester are falling away, Middlesbrough already have and Brighton may scrape into the play-offs, that's all. 2nd place still for us I think.
But look at the table, everyone's had a wobble, lets get back on track next week.
In a week that's seen two friends diagnosed with cancer, perspective is very easy tonight.
Evening all,tomorrow's another day
Oracledave
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2:11pm Sun 10 Mar 13
WessexLad wrote:WL - That is true to an extent - but surely the '6' pointers ; Hull, Leicester, Cardiff (maybe) are just a smidgeon bigger ?!
Oracledave: "We will need in the big games !"
From now on, every game is a big game.
Stoney77
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2:39pm Sun 10 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
lutondown
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3:21pm Sun 10 Mar 13
Stoney77 wrote:Good post Stoney!
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
Travelling Hornet
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3:52pm Sun 10 Mar 13
Stoney77 wrote:Spot on.
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
Eastsussexhornet
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5:07pm Sun 10 Mar 13
Stoney77 wrote:You make some good points in your post but then it goes downhill. Do you go to the training pitch every day? Of course you don't. So when it boils down to it, none of us really know the reasoning behind the team selections. We have to base our views on what we see and what we see in the press. Based on your logic, no one is allowed to express their opinion. Not much point in having this forum at all then...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
lutondown
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5:13pm Sun 10 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Stoney is right though, GFZ goes on what he sees all week. So not downhill at all, but trust you to criticise. You can't help it.
Stoney77 wrote:You make some good points in your post but then it goes downhill. Do you go to the training pitch every day? Of course you don't. So when it boils down to it, none of us really know the reasoning behind the team selections. We have to base our views on what we see and what we see in the press. Based on your logic, no one is allowed to express their opinion. Not much point in having this forum at all then...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
You've just done exactly what you ended your post with, really.
I expect a very verbose and intellectual comeback!
Eastsussexhornet
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5:25pm Sun 10 Mar 13
lutondown wrote:Yes, some good points as I said but.....
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Stoney is right though, GFZ goes on what he sees all week. So not downhill at all, but trust you to criticise. You can't help it.
Stoney77 wrote:You make some good points in your post but then it goes downhill. Do you go to the training pitch every day? Of course you don't. So when it boils down to it, none of us really know the reasoning behind the team selections. We have to base our views on what we see and what we see in the press. Based on your logic, no one is allowed to express their opinion. Not much point in having this forum at all then...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
You've just done exactly what you ended your post with, really.
I expect a very verbose and intellectual comeback!
Trust me to criticise??? I can't help it??? I know you're not feeling on top of the world today LD but (with a scouse accent) - "calm down, calm down".
All I was reacting to was being told that I can't comment on the team selection because I don't really know the facts. Well, who does? It appears that this wasn't a major issue anyway but surely we are allowed to have an opinion and my last one was hardly outrageous.
lutondown
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5:43pm Sun 10 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Of course you are, but Stoney was just putting a perspective on things. So he's allowed his, you criticised his conclusion, I criticised yours, so that's how it works really!
lutondown wrote:Yes, some good points as I said but.....
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Stoney is right though, GFZ goes on what he sees all week. So not downhill at all, but trust you to criticise. You can't help it.
Stoney77 wrote:You make some good points in your post but then it goes downhill. Do you go to the training pitch every day? Of course you don't. So when it boils down to it, none of us really know the reasoning behind the team selections. We have to base our views on what we see and what we see in the press. Based on your logic, no one is allowed to express their opinion. Not much point in having this forum at all then...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
You've just done exactly what you ended your post with, really.
I expect a very verbose and intellectual comeback!
Trust me to criticise??? I can't help it??? I know you're not feeling on top of the world today LD but (with a scouse accent) - "calm down, calm down".
All I was reacting to was being told that I can't comment on the team selection because I don't really know the facts. Well, who does? It appears that this wasn't a major issue anyway but surely we are allowed to have an opinion and my last one was hardly outrageous.
Anyway I'm trawling my dictionary to hit you with some really big words!!
Just a serious note, think Blackburn and Millwall do us a favour by replaying and tiring themselves out, hope so anyway.
Eastsussexhornet
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5:51pm Sun 10 Mar 13
lutondown wrote:Can't disagree. Glad that's sorted then.....!
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Of course you are, but Stoney was just putting a perspective on things. So he's allowed his, you criticised his conclusion, I criticised yours, so that's how it works really!
lutondown wrote:Yes, some good points as I said but.....
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Stoney is right though, GFZ goes on what he sees all week. So not downhill at all, but trust you to criticise. You can't help it.
Stoney77 wrote:You make some good points in your post but then it goes downhill. Do you go to the training pitch every day? Of course you don't. So when it boils down to it, none of us really know the reasoning behind the team selections. We have to base our views on what we see and what we see in the press. Based on your logic, no one is allowed to express their opinion. Not much point in having this forum at all then...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
You've just done exactly what you ended your post with, really.
I expect a very verbose and intellectual comeback!
Trust me to criticise??? I can't help it??? I know you're not feeling on top of the world today LD but (with a scouse accent) - "calm down, calm down".
All I was reacting to was being told that I can't comment on the team selection because I don't really know the facts. Well, who does? It appears that this wasn't a major issue anyway but surely we are allowed to have an opinion and my last one was hardly outrageous.
Anyway I'm trawling my dictionary to hit you with some really big words!!
Just a serious note, think Blackburn and Millwall do us a favour by replaying and tiring themselves out, hope so anyway.
Here's a big word..."humour"...an
d god knows you need it on this forum.
Yes, too close to call, we need everything to go our way. Burnley v Hull is live tomorrow - I might watch that.
lutondown
says...
5:53pm Sun 10 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet wrote:My old nemesis the ever so dull one Scully has had the humour gland removed. Replaced with the dour switch that's permanently on!
lutondown wrote:Can't disagree. Glad that's sorted then.....!
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Of course you are, but Stoney was just putting a perspective on things. So he's allowed his, you criticised his conclusion, I criticised yours, so that's how it works really!
lutondown wrote:Yes, some good points as I said but.....
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Stoney is right though, GFZ goes on what he sees all week. So not downhill at all, but trust you to criticise. You can't help it.
Stoney77 wrote:You make some good points in your post but then it goes downhill. Do you go to the training pitch every day? Of course you don't. So when it boils down to it, none of us really know the reasoning behind the team selections. We have to base our views on what we see and what we see in the press. Based on your logic, no one is allowed to express their opinion. Not much point in having this forum at all then...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
You've just done exactly what you ended your post with, really.
I expect a very verbose and intellectual comeback!
Trust me to criticise??? I can't help it??? I know you're not feeling on top of the world today LD but (with a scouse accent) - "calm down, calm down".
All I was reacting to was being told that I can't comment on the team selection because I don't really know the facts. Well, who does? It appears that this wasn't a major issue anyway but surely we are allowed to have an opinion and my last one was hardly outrageous.
Anyway I'm trawling my dictionary to hit you with some really big words!!
Just a serious note, think Blackburn and Millwall do us a favour by replaying and tiring themselves out, hope so anyway.
Here's a big word..."humour"...an
d god knows you need it on this forum.
Yes, too close to call, we need everything to go our way. Burnley v Hull is live tomorrow - I might watch that.
Eastsussexhornet
says...
6:29pm Sun 10 Mar 13
lutondown wrote:Yes, he was a bit dour this morning. I don't think I'll be inviting him to my barbeque in the Spring...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:My old nemesis the ever so dull one Scully has had the humour gland removed. Replaced with the dour switch that's permanently on!
lutondown wrote:Can't disagree. Glad that's sorted then.....!
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Of course you are, but Stoney was just putting a perspective on things. So he's allowed his, you criticised his conclusion, I criticised yours, so that's how it works really!
lutondown wrote:Yes, some good points as I said but.....
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Stoney is right though, GFZ goes on what he sees all week. So not downhill at all, but trust you to criticise. You can't help it.
Stoney77 wrote:You make some good points in your post but then it goes downhill. Do you go to the training pitch every day? Of course you don't. So when it boils down to it, none of us really know the reasoning behind the team selections. We have to base our views on what we see and what we see in the press. Based on your logic, no one is allowed to express their opinion. Not much point in having this forum at all then...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
You've just done exactly what you ended your post with, really.
I expect a very verbose and intellectual comeback!
Trust me to criticise??? I can't help it??? I know you're not feeling on top of the world today LD but (with a scouse accent) - "calm down, calm down".
All I was reacting to was being told that I can't comment on the team selection because I don't really know the facts. Well, who does? It appears that this wasn't a major issue anyway but surely we are allowed to have an opinion and my last one was hardly outrageous.
Anyway I'm trawling my dictionary to hit you with some really big words!!
Just a serious note, think Blackburn and Millwall do us a favour by replaying and tiring themselves out, hope so anyway.
Here's a big word..."humour"...an
d god knows you need it on this forum.
Yes, too close to call, we need everything to go our way. Burnley v Hull is live tomorrow - I might watch that.
lutondown
says...
6:43pm Sun 10 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Good call, he'd bring rain instead of beer!
lutondown wrote:Yes, he was a bit dour this morning. I don't think I'll be inviting him to my barbeque in the Spring...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:My old nemesis the ever so dull one Scully has had the humour gland removed. Replaced with the dour switch that's permanently on!
lutondown wrote:Can't disagree. Glad that's sorted then.....!
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Of course you are, but Stoney was just putting a perspective on things. So he's allowed his, you criticised his conclusion, I criticised yours, so that's how it works really!
lutondown wrote:Yes, some good points as I said but.....
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Stoney is right though, GFZ goes on what he sees all week. So not downhill at all, but trust you to criticise. You can't help it.
Stoney77 wrote:You make some good points in your post but then it goes downhill. Do you go to the training pitch every day? Of course you don't. So when it boils down to it, none of us really know the reasoning behind the team selections. We have to base our views on what we see and what we see in the press. Based on your logic, no one is allowed to express their opinion. Not much point in having this forum at all then...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
You've just done exactly what you ended your post with, really.
I expect a very verbose and intellectual comeback!
Trust me to criticise??? I can't help it??? I know you're not feeling on top of the world today LD but (with a scouse accent) - "calm down, calm down".
All I was reacting to was being told that I can't comment on the team selection because I don't really know the facts. Well, who does? It appears that this wasn't a major issue anyway but surely we are allowed to have an opinion and my last one was hardly outrageous.
Anyway I'm trawling my dictionary to hit you with some really big words!!
Just a serious note, think Blackburn and Millwall do us a favour by replaying and tiring themselves out, hope so anyway.
Here's a big word..."humour"...an
d god knows you need it on this forum.
Yes, too close to call, we need everything to go our way. Burnley v Hull is live tomorrow - I might watch that.
Stoney77
says...
7:16pm Sun 10 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet wrote:You make no good points in your post. Oh, that's my opinion by the way. My whole post was based on my thoughts and opinions and at no point did I ever insinuate that others were not allowed to express an opinion.
Stoney77 wrote:You make some good points in your post but then it goes downhill. Do you go to the training pitch every day? Of course you don't. So when it boils down to it, none of us really know the reasoning behind the team selections. We have to base our views on what we see and what we see in the press. Based on your logic, no one is allowed to express their opinion. Not much point in having this forum at all then...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
lutondown
says...
7:18pm Sun 10 Mar 13
Stoney77 wrote:ESH are you trying to replace me as controversial poster number one? Because I'm not having it!
Eastsussexhornet wrote:You make no good points in your post. Oh, that's my opinion by the way. My whole post was based on my thoughts and opinions and at no point did I ever insinuate that others were not allowed to express an opinion.
Stoney77 wrote:You make some good points in your post but then it goes downhill. Do you go to the training pitch every day? Of course you don't. So when it boils down to it, none of us really know the reasoning behind the team selections. We have to base our views on what we see and what we see in the press. Based on your logic, no one is allowed to express their opinion. Not much point in having this forum at all then...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
Eastsussexhornet
says...
7:28pm Sun 10 Mar 13
lutondown wrote:Yes, ok sorry, I concede. You are the master......for now.
Stoney77 wrote:ESH are you trying to replace me as controversial poster number one? Because I'm not having it!
Eastsussexhornet wrote:You make no good points in your post. Oh, that's my opinion by the way. My whole post was based on my thoughts and opinions and at no point did I ever insinuate that others were not allowed to express an opinion.
Stoney77 wrote:You make some good points in your post but then it goes downhill. Do you go to the training pitch every day? Of course you don't. So when it boils down to it, none of us really know the reasoning behind the team selections. We have to base our views on what we see and what we see in the press. Based on your logic, no one is allowed to express their opinion. Not much point in having this forum at all then...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
lutondown
says...
7:30pm Sun 10 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet wrote:That's it know thy place!!!
lutondown wrote:Yes, ok sorry, I concede. You are the master......for now.
Stoney77 wrote:ESH are you trying to replace me as controversial poster number one? Because I'm not having it!
Eastsussexhornet wrote:You make no good points in your post. Oh, that's my opinion by the way. My whole post was based on my thoughts and opinions and at no point did I ever insinuate that others were not allowed to express an opinion.
Stoney77 wrote:You make some good points in your post but then it goes downhill. Do you go to the training pitch every day? Of course you don't. So when it boils down to it, none of us really know the reasoning behind the team selections. We have to base our views on what we see and what we see in the press. Based on your logic, no one is allowed to express their opinion. Not much point in having this forum at all then...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
It's taken practice to be this hated!
Eastsussexhornet
says...
7:33pm Sun 10 Mar 13
lutondown wrote:And he'd probably want to dissect the burgers for traces of horse. Still, he's not beyond help.
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Good call, he'd bring rain instead of beer!
lutondown wrote:Yes, he was a bit dour this morning. I don't think I'll be inviting him to my barbeque in the Spring...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:My old nemesis the ever so dull one Scully has had the humour gland removed. Replaced with the dour switch that's permanently on!
lutondown wrote:Can't disagree. Glad that's sorted then.....!
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Of course you are, but Stoney was just putting a perspective on things. So he's allowed his, you criticised his conclusion, I criticised yours, so that's how it works really!
lutondown wrote:Yes, some good points as I said but.....
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Stoney is right though, GFZ goes on what he sees all week. So not downhill at all, but trust you to criticise. You can't help it.
Stoney77 wrote:You make some good points in your post but then it goes downhill. Do you go to the training pitch every day? Of course you don't. So when it boils down to it, none of us really know the reasoning behind the team selections. We have to base our views on what we see and what we see in the press. Based on your logic, no one is allowed to express their opinion. Not much point in having this forum at all then...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
You've just done exactly what you ended your post with, really.
I expect a very verbose and intellectual comeback!
Trust me to criticise??? I can't help it??? I know you're not feeling on top of the world today LD but (with a scouse accent) - "calm down, calm down".
All I was reacting to was being told that I can't comment on the team selection because I don't really know the facts. Well, who does? It appears that this wasn't a major issue anyway but surely we are allowed to have an opinion and my last one was hardly outrageous.
Anyway I'm trawling my dictionary to hit you with some really big words!!
Just a serious note, think Blackburn and Millwall do us a favour by replaying and tiring themselves out, hope so anyway.
Here's a big word..."humour"...an
d god knows you need it on this forum.
Yes, too close to call, we need everything to go our way. Burnley v Hull is live tomorrow - I might watch that.
Eastsussexhornet
says...
7:35pm Sun 10 Mar 13
Stoney77 wrote:Ok Stoneyboy/girl, try to chill out - it's Sunday after all.
Eastsussexhornet wrote:You make no good points in your post. Oh, that's my opinion by the way. My whole post was based on my thoughts and opinions and at no point did I ever insinuate that others were not allowed to express an opinion.
Stoney77 wrote:You make some good points in your post but then it goes downhill. Do you go to the training pitch every day? Of course you don't. So when it boils down to it, none of us really know the reasoning behind the team selections. We have to base our views on what we see and what we see in the press. Based on your logic, no one is allowed to express their opinion. Not much point in having this forum at all then...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
lutondown
says...
8:08pm Sun 10 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Oh he is, he stalks me and I'm bald, now that's a walk down a one way street if madness!
lutondown wrote:And he'd probably want to dissect the burgers for traces of horse. Still, he's not beyond help.
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Good call, he'd bring rain instead of beer!
lutondown wrote:Yes, he was a bit dour this morning. I don't think I'll be inviting him to my barbeque in the Spring...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:My old nemesis the ever so dull one Scully has had the humour gland removed. Replaced with the dour switch that's permanently on!
lutondown wrote:Can't disagree. Glad that's sorted then.....!
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Of course you are, but Stoney was just putting a perspective on things. So he's allowed his, you criticised his conclusion, I criticised yours, so that's how it works really!
lutondown wrote:Yes, some good points as I said but.....
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Stoney is right though, GFZ goes on what he sees all week. So not downhill at all, but trust you to criticise. You can't help it.
Stoney77 wrote:You make some good points in your post but then it goes downhill. Do you go to the training pitch every day? Of course you don't. So when it boils down to it, none of us really know the reasoning behind the team selections. We have to base our views on what we see and what we see in the press. Based on your logic, no one is allowed to express their opinion. Not much point in having this forum at all then...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
You've just done exactly what you ended your post with, really.
I expect a very verbose and intellectual comeback!
Trust me to criticise??? I can't help it??? I know you're not feeling on top of the world today LD but (with a scouse accent) - "calm down, calm down".
All I was reacting to was being told that I can't comment on the team selection because I don't really know the facts. Well, who does? It appears that this wasn't a major issue anyway but surely we are allowed to have an opinion and my last one was hardly outrageous.
Anyway I'm trawling my dictionary to hit you with some really big words!!
Just a serious note, think Blackburn and Millwall do us a favour by replaying and tiring themselves out, hope so anyway.
Here's a big word..."humour"...an
d god knows you need it on this forum.
Yes, too close to call, we need everything to go our way. Burnley v Hull is live tomorrow - I might watch that.
Stoney77
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9:50pm Sun 10 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet wrote:This post comes across pretty patronising. I'm chilled mate, and you're the one making accusations (wrongly) about me not allowing people to have an opinion. Maybe it's you who should chilllllllll, winston.
Stoney77 wrote:Ok Stoneyboy/girl, try to chill out - it's Sunday after all.
Eastsussexhornet wrote:You make no good points in your post. Oh, that's my opinion by the way. My whole post was based on my thoughts and opinions and at no point did I ever insinuate that others were not allowed to express an opinion.
Stoney77 wrote:You make some good points in your post but then it goes downhill. Do you go to the training pitch every day? Of course you don't. So when it boils down to it, none of us really know the reasoning behind the team selections. We have to base our views on what we see and what we see in the press. Based on your logic, no one is allowed to express their opinion. Not much point in having this forum at all then...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
Eastsussexhornet
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7:49am Mon 11 Mar 13
Stoney77 wrote:No, honestly not patronising. I was at the end of the day and wanted to just say "whatever", or similar, because I was tiring of the subject and I thought you were over reacting (and perhaps I was as well). But, I thought that would be provocative so I tried to add some humour to it. That's all. Still, another day now - perhaps we can find something else to argue about.
Eastsussexhornet wrote:This post comes across pretty patronising. I'm chilled mate, and you're the one making accusations (wrongly) about me not allowing people to have an opinion. Maybe it's you who should chilllllllll, winston.
Stoney77 wrote:Ok Stoneyboy/girl, try to chill out - it's Sunday after all.
Eastsussexhornet wrote:You make no good points in your post. Oh, that's my opinion by the way. My whole post was based on my thoughts and opinions and at no point did I ever insinuate that others were not allowed to express an opinion.
Stoney77 wrote:You make some good points in your post but then it goes downhill. Do you go to the training pitch every day? Of course you don't. So when it boils down to it, none of us really know the reasoning behind the team selections. We have to base our views on what we see and what we see in the press. Based on your logic, no one is allowed to express their opinion. Not much point in having this forum at all then...
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Briggs did no worse than Ekstrand has performed so that change/rest had no effect (in fact Briggs finishing from 12 yards was as bad as Ekstrands too!). Cassetti took a kick on Tues to which he immediately signalled that he needed a substitution although actually after a couple of minutes he was abe to carry on. I imagine this was why he was onthe bench. He's an important player and I would rather we had him for Hull and Cardiff etc than Blackpool! Besides Anyas pace is electric and I thought he had a decent game. I wish people would stop thinking they know better than GFZ, and stop banging on about how changes/resting players is costing us points. Are you at the training ground everyday? Do you see the Physios reports on injuries? Do you know which players are struggling with minor injuries which will get worse and worse without rest? Are you qualified to be a coach?? In GFZ we trust.
Big Cliff was King wrote:We are ALL saying this now. Even the ones that used to favour "resting" players seem to have fallen away. Having said that, there was nothing GFZ could have done about Abdi yesterday and according to LD, Chalobah was injured. We know that Hall was injured so, whilst no one can quite understand why Cassetti and Ekstrand were left out, this doesn't quite rank in the same category as the Bristol City debacle.
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious again we do not have two teams that can win promotion but we might have one. We cannot afford to 'rest' any of the 'A' team from now until the end of the season.
Hampshire hornet
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7:54am Mon 11 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet
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10:21am Mon 11 Mar 13
Hampshire hornet wrote:Agreed. It was Anya for me on Sat by a mile. Saw him first against Cardiff and it was as if we'd just unleashed a secret weapon.
I do not understand why some are saying Yeates was Man of the Match... Did they leave after 20 minutes?
Harry's Bar
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10:37am Mon 11 Mar 13
buckler
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11:41am Mon 11 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet
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12:01pm Mon 11 Mar 13
Harry's Bar wrote:No nor do I! If only they knew what a nice chap I am!
Just read through all the posts. I can see why some readers find the acid exchanges slightly tedious. Still can't work out why ESH seems to attract so much trouble. Also, slightly concerned that LD may be developing a persecution complex.
The views on here are sometimes so polarised that if anyone dares to disagree, even slightly, there's a chain reaction. "He who dares, wins", etc, but I sometimes wonder...
As for LD, well I am warming to him. I am gradually building a profile. He's supported the Horns for 1 year less than me, a wind up merchant, a bit provocative, mischievous, likes barbeques, has a stalker and is bald. Just working on the photofit.
Eastsussexhornet
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12:03pm Mon 11 Mar 13
buckler wrote:Yeah may be but we need another article to comment on....
Bore bore bore.
lutondown
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12:49pm Mon 11 Mar 13
Harry's Bar wrote:Why would that be Harry come lately? I like being persecuted, it's the stalking tht worrys me.
Just read through all the posts. I can see why some readers find the acid exchanges slightly tedious. Still can't work out why ESH seems to attract so much trouble. Also, slightly concerned that LD may be developing a persecution complex.
Perhaps you and ESH are alike, hence your defence of him.
Who cares really.
Eastsussexhornet
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1:08pm Mon 11 Mar 13
lutondown wrote:Come on LD try to cheer up a bit...
Harry's Bar wrote:Why would that be Harry come lately? I like being persecuted, it's the stalking tht worrys me.
Just read through all the posts. I can see why some readers find the acid exchanges slightly tedious. Still can't work out why ESH seems to attract so much trouble. Also, slightly concerned that LD may be developing a persecution complex.
Perhaps you and ESH are alike, hence your defence of him.
Who cares really.
Harry's Bar
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1:51pm Mon 11 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet wrote:LutonDown, you weren't by any chance known as JonesTown in a previous life were you. Is it true that your coach charter is planning to set up camp in Leicester Forest after the game? Is it also true that you are then going to invite Ian Holloway there to explain his views on the loan system, only to take him out later in a shootup at East Midlands Airport, whilst organising a drinking competition with a twist back at the camp?
lutondown wrote:Come on LD try to cheer up a bit...Harry's Bar wrote: Just read through all the posts. I can see why some readers find the acid exchanges slightly tedious. Still can't work out why ESH seems to attract so much trouble. Also, slightly concerned that LD may be developing a persecution complex.Why would that be Harry come lately? I like being persecuted, it's the stalking tht worrys me. Perhaps you and ESH are alike, hence your defence of him. Who cares really.
KeithMercer
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1:53pm Mon 11 Mar 13
lutondown
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2:07pm Mon 11 Mar 13
Harry's Bar wrote:If any of that made any sense I'd try to articulate a reply. You need to get out that bar Harry, the alcohol is doing your brain cells in.
Eastsussexhornet wrote:LutonDown, you weren't by any chance known as JonesTown in a previous life were you. Is it true that your coach charter is planning to set up camp in Leicester Forest after the game? Is it also true that you are then going to invite Ian Holloway there to explain his views on the loan system, only to take him out later in a shootup at East Midlands Airport, whilst organising a drinking competition with a twist back at the camp?
lutondown wrote:Come on LD try to cheer up a bit...Harry's Bar wrote: Just read through all the posts. I can see why some readers find the acid exchanges slightly tedious. Still can't work out why ESH seems to attract so much trouble. Also, slightly concerned that LD may be developing a persecution complex.Why would that be Harry come lately? I like being persecuted, it's the stalking tht worrys me. Perhaps you and ESH are alike, hence your defence of him. Who cares really.
ESH, whatever gives you the idea that I'm less than happy? I'm absolutely spiffing, as it happens!
lutondown
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2:08pm Mon 11 Mar 13
KeithMercer wrote:Mercs. It's high time you showed your face as its your round!
Guys enjoy the banter as always and its good to get things off of our chests (still gutted and incensed by Saturdays proceedings) But do we have to always attach a mile long QUOTE ? it does slow things down when we have to scroll down a whole conversation to get a one line reply ! Just a thought , or maybe I need to cheer up a bit and concern myself with things more important.
Eastsussexhornet
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2:26pm Mon 11 Mar 13
lutondown wrote:Good, I'm delighted.
Harry's Bar wrote:If any of that made any sense I'd try to articulate a reply. You need to get out that bar Harry, the alcohol is doing your brain cells in.
Eastsussexhornet wrote:LutonDown, you weren't by any chance known as JonesTown in a previous life were you. Is it true that your coach charter is planning to set up camp in Leicester Forest after the game? Is it also true that you are then going to invite Ian Holloway there to explain his views on the loan system, only to take him out later in a shootup at East Midlands Airport, whilst organising a drinking competition with a twist back at the camp?
lutondown wrote:Come on LD try to cheer up a bit...Harry's Bar wrote: Just read through all the posts. I can see why some readers find the acid exchanges slightly tedious. Still can't work out why ESH seems to attract so much trouble. Also, slightly concerned that LD may be developing a persecution complex.Why would that be Harry come lately? I like being persecuted, it's the stalking tht worrys me. Perhaps you and ESH are alike, hence your defence of him. Who cares really.
ESH, whatever gives you the idea that I'm less than happy? I'm absolutely spiffing, as it happens!
Harry, yes an interesting post with an undercurrrent of sadism which would normall be worrying but as it was Hollowhead you were talking about, I was feeling myself drawn in....
lutondown
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2:46pm Mon 11 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Mind you the taking Hollowhead out part, is mighty fine by me.
lutondown wrote:Good, I'm delighted.
Harry's Bar wrote:If any of that made any sense I'd try to articulate a reply. You need to get out that bar Harry, the alcohol is doing your brain cells in.
Eastsussexhornet wrote:LutonDown, you weren't by any chance known as JonesTown in a previous life were you. Is it true that your coach charter is planning to set up camp in Leicester Forest after the game? Is it also true that you are then going to invite Ian Holloway there to explain his views on the loan system, only to take him out later in a shootup at East Midlands Airport, whilst organising a drinking competition with a twist back at the camp?
lutondown wrote:Come on LD try to cheer up a bit...Harry's Bar wrote: Just read through all the posts. I can see why some readers find the acid exchanges slightly tedious. Still can't work out why ESH seems to attract so much trouble. Also, slightly concerned that LD may be developing a persecution complex.Why would that be Harry come lately? I like being persecuted, it's the stalking tht worrys me. Perhaps you and ESH are alike, hence your defence of him. Who cares really.
ESH, whatever gives you the idea that I'm less than happy? I'm absolutely spiffing, as it happens!
Harry, yes an interesting post with an undercurrrent of sadism which would normall be worrying but as it was Hollowhead you were talking about, I was feeling myself drawn in....
Can someone help me out with the Jones Town bit, completely lost. If someone's insulting me I like to understand the insult.
I think Harry is walking down the same path as ilovbas...and he never came back!!!
abbotshornet
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2:55pm Mon 11 Mar 13
They seem to be getting progressively worse, and now they are not just incompetent but seem to be positively biased!
Lets just hope GFZ can get us playing so much better that the dodgy refs don't matter again!
COYGBs
Eastsussexhornet
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4:27pm Mon 11 Mar 13
lutondown wrote:If you google it you get the Jones Town Massacre in south America. Harry, can you please enlighten me - I'm feeling a bit uneasy!
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Mind you the taking Hollowhead out part, is mighty fine by me.
lutondown wrote:Good, I'm delighted.
Harry's Bar wrote:If any of that made any sense I'd try to articulate a reply. You need to get out that bar Harry, the alcohol is doing your brain cells in.
Eastsussexhornet wrote:LutonDown, you weren't by any chance known as JonesTown in a previous life were you. Is it true that your coach charter is planning to set up camp in Leicester Forest after the game? Is it also true that you are then going to invite Ian Holloway there to explain his views on the loan system, only to take him out later in a shootup at East Midlands Airport, whilst organising a drinking competition with a twist back at the camp?
lutondown wrote:Come on LD try to cheer up a bit...Harry's Bar wrote: Just read through all the posts. I can see why some readers find the acid exchanges slightly tedious. Still can't work out why ESH seems to attract so much trouble. Also, slightly concerned that LD may be developing a persecution complex.Why would that be Harry come lately? I like being persecuted, it's the stalking tht worrys me. Perhaps you and ESH are alike, hence your defence of him. Who cares really.
ESH, whatever gives you the idea that I'm less than happy? I'm absolutely spiffing, as it happens!
Harry, yes an interesting post with an undercurrrent of sadism which would normall be worrying but as it was Hollowhead you were talking about, I was feeling myself drawn in....
Can someone help me out with the Jones Town bit, completely lost. If someone's insulting me I like to understand the insult.
I think Harry is walking down the same path as ilovbas...and he never came back!!!
Eastsussexhornet
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4:30pm Mon 11 Mar 13
abbotshornet wrote:Oh yes, football - I was forgetting about that! Agreed, the standard is terrible. A lot of people think it is just the decisions they make (and I would say that being a referee must be the worst job in football) but it is attitude that gets me more than the decisions. Some referees have got it just right and they are respected for it. They're only in the Premiership though.
One last thought, when are we going to get a proper referee?
They seem to be getting progressively worse, and now they are not just incompetent but seem to be positively biased!
Lets just hope GFZ can get us playing so much better that the dodgy refs don't matter again!
COYGBs
lutondown
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4:31pm Mon 11 Mar 13
Eastsussexhornet wrote:I rest my case..Harry is the reincarnation of ilovbas. He's definetly on the sherbet
lutondown wrote:If you google it you get the Jones Town Massacre in south America. Harry, can you please enlighten me - I'm feeling a bit uneasy!
Eastsussexhornet wrote:Mind you the taking Hollowhead out part, is mighty fine by me.
lutondown wrote:Good, I'm delighted.
Harry's Bar wrote:If any of that made any sense I'd try to articulate a reply. You need to get out that bar Harry, the alcohol is doing your brain cells in.
Eastsussexhornet wrote:LutonDown, you weren't by any chance known as JonesTown in a previous life were you. Is it true that your coach charter is planning to set up camp in Leicester Forest after the game? Is it also true that you are then going to invite Ian Holloway there to explain his views on the loan system, only to take him out later in a shootup at East Midlands Airport, whilst organising a drinking competition with a twist back at the camp?
lutondown wrote:Come on LD try to cheer up a bit...Harry's Bar wrote: Just read through all the posts. I can see why some readers find the acid exchanges slightly tedious. Still can't work out why ESH seems to attract so much trouble. Also, slightly concerned that LD may be developing a persecution complex.Why would that be Harry come lately? I like being persecuted, it's the stalking tht worrys me. Perhaps you and ESH are alike, hence your defence of him. Who cares really.
ESH, whatever gives you the idea that I'm less than happy? I'm absolutely spiffing, as it happens!
Harry, yes an interesting post with an undercurrrent of sadism which would normall be worrying but as it was Hollowhead you were talking about, I was feeling myself drawn in....
Can someone help me out with the Jones Town bit, completely lost. If someone's insulting me I like to understand the insult.
I think Harry is walking down the same path as ilovbas...and he never came back!!!
Harry's Bar
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10:30am Tue 12 Mar 13
It was a rather tasteless attempt at humour in light of the reality of what happened there. No offence meant.
lutondown
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1:35pm Tue 12 Mar 13
Harry's Bar wrote:Well you do give it mate, so you got to expect some back!
Sorry guys, I was a bit annoyed about being referred to as Harry come lately (again). I just remember Jim Jones being the paranoid leader of a disparate group of individuals looking to break free from the mainstream, heading off on a coach charter in search of some kind of Nirvana.
It was a rather tasteless attempt at humour in light of the reality of what happened there. No offence meant.
But I'm sure my minions would not follow me into an obscure Jungle and commit mass suicide on my say so!
Jeez not even a fair trade off H, I call you Harry come lately and you put me on par with Manson and co! Lol
Harry's Bar
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2:38pm Tue 12 Mar 13
Hampshire hornet
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2:38pm Tue 12 Mar 13
I will bring the family...
lutondown
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3:11pm Tue 12 Mar 13
Hampshire hornet wrote:I know, I know. You get to taste the special wine first for such loyalty!
A trip to a Jungle in search of Nirvana.. Count me in my Lord..
I will bring the family...
By the way, one way trip or not, Crocs are forbidden
Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...
5:12pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Few total shots, fewer shots on target and fewer corners.
Dodgy penalty shout but we can’t really complain. This was probably our easiest game on paper between now and the end of the season as blackpool had nothing to play for.