Return of Mackay's Cardiff rescheduled due to TV (From This Is Local London)

Holly68 wrote:
Not Surprised, Cardiff could go up that day if results go their way in next few weeks, which means Cardiff will not only sell their allocation but will flood the town and be a security risk (ala Friday night just gone).....

AngelHornet wrote:

Holly68 wrote:
Not Surprised, Cardiff could go up that day if results go their way in next few weeks, which means Cardiff will not only sell their allocation but will flood the town and be a security risk (ala Friday night just gone).....

Couldn't make last Friday, what happened outside of the ground?

Holly68 wrote:

AngelHornet wrote:

Holly68 wrote:
Not Surprised, Cardiff could go up that day if results go their way in next few weeks, which means Cardiff will not only sell their allocation but will flood the town and be a security risk (ala Friday night just gone).....

Couldn't make last Friday, what happened outside of the ground?

Police closed the Red Lion all night, as decided was security threat last minute, as big away following ! Be interesting with Cardiff and Leeds having similar followings.

Palace fans were everywhere Friday night in town, yet no police inside ground so their teenagers let off flares unopposed by stewarding

Holly68 wrote:

Holly68 wrote:

AngelHornet wrote:

Holly68 wrote:
Not Surprised, Cardiff could go up that day if results go their way in next few weeks, which means Cardiff will not only sell their allocation but will flood the town and be a security risk (ala Friday night just gone).....

Couldn't make last Friday, what happened outside of the ground?

Police closed the Red Lion all night, as decided was security threat last minute, as big away following ! Be interesting with Cardiff and Leeds having similar followings.

Palace fans were everywhere Friday night in town, yet no police inside ground so their teenagers let off flares unopposed by stewarding

Very poor support from majority Watford fans on Friday night, we can't always rely on the team to get fans going, sometimes has to start with the fans, Palace did get behind their team for 90 minutes, we had the off couple minutes but 2nd half our atmosphere had died.

Just highlighted the need to move the away fans (East Stand or lower rous) and have the Vic Road End as unreserved easy pay and entry Stand to allow vociferous bonding and support, creating better home atmosphere.

Then those that wish to sit all game, say nowt can sit in reserved seats together, and those that have passion in their souls and want to create a traditional football atmosphere can sit or stand together at Vic End unreserved seating, pay on the door (pay as you go) ...

We ain't little old boring Watford anymore, club and players have stepped up, time for fans to follow suit !!!

Finally, if home fans in Vic end no need to shut pub as can direct away fans down occupation road round houses (ala Forest away) up via allotments to and from ground

COYH

LETS TAKE 3000 to Brum

willia6692 wrote:

Holly68 wrote:

Holly68 wrote:

AngelHornet wrote:

Holly68 wrote:
Not Surprised, Cardiff could go up that day if results go their way in next few weeks, which means Cardiff will not only sell their allocation but will flood the town and be a security risk (ala Friday night just gone).....

Couldn't make last Friday, what happened outside of the ground?

Police closed the Red Lion all night, as decided was security threat last minute, as big away following ! Be interesting with Cardiff and Leeds having similar followings.

Palace fans were everywhere Friday night in town, yet no police inside ground so their teenagers let off flares unopposed by stewarding

Very poor support from majority Watford fans on Friday night, we can't always rely on the team to get fans going, sometimes has to start with the fans, Palace did get behind their team for 90 minutes, we had the off couple minutes but 2nd half our atmosphere had died.

Just highlighted the need to move the away fans (East Stand or lower rous) and have the Vic Road End as unreserved easy pay and entry Stand to allow vociferous bonding and support, creating better home atmosphere.

Then those that wish to sit all game, say nowt can sit in reserved seats together, and those that have passion in their souls and want to create a traditional football atmosphere can sit or stand together at Vic End unreserved seating, pay on the door (pay as you go) ...

We ain't little old boring Watford anymore, club and players have stepped up, time for fans to follow suit !!!

Finally, if home fans in Vic end no need to shut pub as can direct away fans down occupation road round houses (ala Forest away) up via allotments to and from ground

COYH

LETS TAKE 3000 to Brum

This is absolutely spot on, the owners are taking the club to a new level, it's now time for the clubs fans to start to show the same passion. It's embarrassing to see the club you love so quiet.
I sit next to and around people in the rookery that are v silent. They seem to think their input is to criticise players rather than use that voice to cheer or sing. Please un reserved seating so that people who want to sing can. Atmosphere doesn't need to mean violence. We need drums, flags, anything that we can to improve atmosphere.

Holly68 wrote:

AngelHornet wrote:

Holly68 wrote:
Not Surprised, Cardiff could go up that day if results go their way in next few weeks, which means Cardiff will not only sell their allocation but will flood the town and be a security risk (ala Friday night just gone).....

Couldn't make last Friday, what happened outside of the ground?

Police closed the Red Lion all night, as decided was security threat last minute, as big away following ! Be interesting with Cardiff and Leeds having similar followings.

Palace fans were everywhere Friday night in town, yet no police inside ground so their teenagers let off flares unopposed by stewarding

exeterhornet wrote:
Regarding the aatmosphere (or lack of it) I stood up at the back of the Lower Rous against Bolton, just in front of the disabled enclosure at the Rookery end and TWICE some miserable old git asked the stewards to kick me out because I was "giving him a headache". I was not useing foul language although I did call the ref a bloody idiot more than once. Seriously, why do some of our tans bother going? We have so many miserable bar stewards who claim to "support" the hornets will not tolerate volume at a level above that of a gnats ****! So to those of you who recognise yourself from the above description, either stay away, join in the fun, or shut up and let those of us who want to get behind the boys get on with it.

gasguzzler wrote:

exeterhornet wrote:
Regarding the aatmosphere (or lack of it) I stood up at the back of the Lower Rous against Bolton, just in front of the disabled enclosure at the Rookery end and TWICE some miserable old git asked the stewards to kick me out because I was "giving him a headache". I was not useing foul language although I did call the ref a bloody idiot more than once. Seriously, why do some of our tans bother going? We have so many miserable bar stewards who claim to "support" the hornets will not tolerate volume at a level above that of a gnats ****! So to those of you who recognise yourself from the above description, either stay away, join in the fun, or shut up and let those of us who want to get behind the boys get on with it.

Too true.
My 6yr old lad & me sat in the lower Rous on Friday night.
When we got vocal the glares and
tuts from the miserable,moaning old gits sitting arounds us is enough to put him off going for life.

Im ashamed to say he was actually humming palace songs on the way home.
But who can blame him ? their support was absolutely phenomenal.

The occasional of drowning of "come on you orns" hardly inspires a young lad.

exeterhornet wrote:
Regarding the aatmosphere (or lack of it) I stood up at the back of the Lower Rous against Bolton, just in front of the disabled enclosure at the Rookery end and TWICE some miserable old git asked the stewards to kick me out because I was "giving him a headache".
I was not useing foul language although I did call the ref a bloody idiot more than once. Seriously, why do some of our tans bother going? We have so many miserable bar stewards who claim to "support" the hornets will not tolerate volume at a level above that of a gnats ****!
So to those of you who recognise yourself from the above description, either stay away, join in the fun, or shut up and let those of us who want to get behind the boys get on with it.

willia6692 wrote:
I've put a thread on WFC Forum in relation to atmosphere and one idea was for people who want to sing to move to Vic end for one game, by speaking to TO, and a certain area booked for that game only. That way then we could see who is up for this.

Harrydownunder wrote:
Away fans always generate more atmosphere don't they? The Vic has hardly ever been a cauldron of noise. Reserved seating kills it.

willia6692 wrote:
So in order to create a better atmosphere we need:
1. An area for like minded fans to congregate with unreserved seating.
2. More lenient stewarding to allow fans to express themselves (within law).
3. Drums, flags, a bugle player, possibly a song leader with a loud hailer (like in Europe).
4. A Watford anthem (like you'll never walk alone or such like).
5. Fans to really pull together on this to pull it off.
6. Fans and club to pull together.

The new owners have invested so much and saved our club, it's time that we stood up and gave back to the club and team vocally.

You hoorrrnnns

Chris the Vic wrote:
Compared to when we were in Div 4 and 3 with GT at the helm the support is appalling but in current times we are little different from QPR, Fulham etc and if you asked Mr Duxbury he would I am sure like greater numbers but noisy support?? I doubt it the powers to be like the family club image, they do not want the bad language that goes with noisy support.

As for away support ours is as good as any other clubs given the numbers. In the late seventies early eighties we would take 2000 plus & sometimes for big games double that and that just for league games but then home attendances against Shrewsbury, Hull etc broke 20,000,

Given our ground now we have restricted sales at the Vicarage Road End, Families littering the Rookery and far too many prawn sandwiches in the Rous we will rarely get the ground rocking and a new East Stand will not change that too much.

3rd in the table, unable to fill three sides of the ground says it all. People subscribe to Sky for their excellent coverage but still like to go to live matches for the atmosphere...but unless we are in the premiership there is not going to be an atmosphere, bring on Man U and noise will erupt as we will be underdogs, bring on Palace and welcome to the library.

Obviously the answer is to play Man U at home every week!

D.unstable wrote:
What ever happened to the old klaxon horns that we all used to take along in the 70's, are they banned under the old elf and safety laws?

lutondown wrote:

D.unstable wrote:
What ever happened to the old klaxon horns that we all used to take along in the 70's, are they banned under the old elf and safety laws?

Well they take them to Wembley so I doubt it. Could be a local decision. Graham Taylor didn't exactly like too much passion shown ( sorry God, I have sinned).
It does seem that stewards seem very lenient with away fans yet not the home crowd. Taking the softer option possibly?

BigRussMalta wrote:
I sat all round the ground over the last few years,i get back only once or twice a year,i never go anywhere else than the back of the Rookery these days,everywhere else is ****!!!

lutondown wrote:

BigRussMalta wrote:
I sat all round the ground over the last few years,i get back only once or twice a year,i never go anywhere else than the back of the Rookery these days,everywhere else is ****!!!

Ban prawn sandwiches they are to blame!
Think Willia's drum and bugle idea is great, keeps a constant noise.
I'm PMSL at the thought of the monks being kept awake!
Shut up sit down!
Nooooooo

Wimbledonhorn wrote:
Bringing back terracing is the answer. Unlikely to happen but always a better atmosphere. Certainly the home support should be moved back to the vicarage road end.

1234566789 wrote:
Unreserved seating doesn't necessarily work. I used to love getting in the Vicarage Road end at 1.30 to make sure I had a decent seat, got me properly in the mood. But, say a Tuesday night game, can't get to the ground before 7.30 or so, lucky to make kick off - I then have to sit right in the corner because someone who doesn't work and can get there early enough can take my usual seat? No thanks.

Away support is always going to be louder per person - that is obvious. Just look at the demographics of those who go. Much higher % of young/ middle-aged men, ie those who make noise.

You can't complain if someone asks you to sit down in front of them - some people can't stand for 90 minutes - they shouldn't be stopped from watching the game because you want to stand.

Holly68 wrote:
VUVUZELA !!!!!

1234566789 wrote:
Unreserved seating doesn't necessarily work. I used to love getting in the Vicarage Road end at 1.30 to make sure I had a decent seat, got me properly in the mood. But, say a Tuesday night game, can't get to the ground before 7.30 or so, lucky to make kick off - I then have to sit right in the corner because someone who doesn't work and can get there early enough can take my usual seat? No thanks.

Away support is always going to be louder per person - that is obvious. Just look at the demographics of those who go. Much higher % of young/ middle-aged men, ie those who make noise.

You can't complain if someone asks you to sit down in front of them - some people can't stand for 90 minutes - they shouldn't be stopped from watching the game because you want to stand.

HemelWFC wrote:
Interesting someone was talking about pubs. Thats another problem with Watford. Theres no real pub that we all meet up before the game. Everyone is scattered around town. so no atmosphere is generated. Now with the red and yellow lion starting to get busier, theres a atmosphere starting to develop.

lutondown wrote:

1234566789 wrote:
Unreserved seating doesn't necessarily work. I used to love getting in the Vicarage Road end at 1.30 to make sure I had a decent seat, got me properly in the mood. But, say a Tuesday night game, can't get to the ground before 7.30 or so, lucky to make kick off - I then have to sit right in the corner because someone who doesn't work and can get there early enough can take my usual seat? No thanks.

Away support is always going to be louder per person - that is obvious. Just look at the demographics of those who go. Much higher % of young/ middle-aged men, ie those who make noise.

You can't complain if someone asks you to sit down in front of them - some people can't stand for 90 minutes - they shouldn't be stopped from watching the game because you want to stand.

Obviously a post from the monastery!
But what we are asking is a move away from you lot. So we can actually support our clubs and you can carry on snoozing. Then everyones happy!

1234566789 wrote:

lutondown wrote:

1234566789 wrote:
Unreserved seating doesn't necessarily work. I used to love getting in the Vicarage Road end at 1.30 to make sure I had a decent seat, got me properly in the mood. But, say a Tuesday night game, can't get to the ground before 7.30 or so, lucky to make kick off - I then have to sit right in the corner because someone who doesn't work and can get there early enough can take my usual seat? No thanks.

Away support is always going to be louder per person - that is obvious. Just look at the demographics of those who go. Much higher % of young/ middle-aged men, ie those who make noise.

You can't complain if someone asks you to sit down in front of them - some people can't stand for 90 minutes - they shouldn't be stopped from watching the game because you want to stand.

Obviously a post from the monastery!
But what we are asking is a move away from you lot. So we can actually support our clubs and you can carry on snoozing. Then everyones happy!

Probably one of the loudest actually (apart from when people sing "the Hornets, the Hornets, and that's the way we like it" against Palace - seriously, it's their song!). Away days are always louder - you think that the whole of Selhurst Park looks like the Vic end did on Friday? No.

I think the best comment is about having one set people that everyone goes to before the game. That would definitely create an atmosphere on the walk down Vicarage Road and takes it into the ground. That I am well up for. But I want my seat.

1234566789 wrote:

lutondown wrote:

1234566789 wrote:
Unreserved seating doesn't necessarily work. I used to love getting in the Vicarage Road end at 1.30 to make sure I had a decent seat, got me properly in the mood. But, say a Tuesday night game, can't get to the ground before 7.30 or so, lucky to make kick off - I then have to sit right in the corner because someone who doesn't work and can get there early enough can take my usual seat? No thanks.

Away support is always going to be louder per person - that is obvious. Just look at the demographics of those who go. Much higher % of young/ middle-aged men, ie those who make noise.

You can't complain if someone asks you to sit down in front of them - some people can't stand for 90 minutes - they shouldn't be stopped from watching the game because you want to stand.

Obviously a post from the monastery!
But what we are asking is a move away from you lot. So we can actually support our clubs and you can carry on snoozing. Then everyones happy!

Probably one of the loudest actually (apart from when people sing "the Hornets, the Hornets, and that's the way we like it" against Palace - seriously, it's their song!). Away days are always louder - you think that the whole of Selhurst Park looks like the Vic end did on Friday? No.

I think the best comment is about having one set people that everyone goes to before the game. That would definitely create an atmosphere on the walk down Vicarage Road and takes it into the ground. That I am well up for. But I want my seat.

willia6692 wrote:

1234566789 wrote:

lutondown wrote:

1234566789 wrote:
Unreserved seating doesn't necessarily work. I used to love getting in the Vicarage Road end at 1.30 to make sure I had a decent seat, got me properly in the mood. But, say a Tuesday night game, can't get to the ground before 7.30 or so, lucky to make kick off - I then have to sit right in the corner because someone who doesn't work and can get there early enough can take my usual seat? No thanks.

Away support is always going to be louder per person - that is obvious. Just look at the demographics of those who go. Much higher % of young/ middle-aged men, ie those who make noise.

You can't complain if someone asks you to sit down in front of them - some people can't stand for 90 minutes - they shouldn't be stopped from watching the game because you want to stand.

Obviously a post from the monastery!
But what we are asking is a move away from you lot. So we can actually support our clubs and you can carry on snoozing. Then everyones happy!

Probably one of the loudest actually (apart from when people sing "the Hornets, the Hornets, and that's the way we like it" against Palace - seriously, it's their song!). Away days are always louder - you think that the whole of Selhurst Park looks like the Vic end did on Friday? No.

I think the best comment is about having one set people that everyone goes to before the game. That would definitely create an atmosphere on the walk down Vicarage Road and takes it into the ground. That I am well up for. But I want my seat.

But without an area to go to as a group,NYSE atmosphere will be diluted down.

exeterhornet wrote:
Regarding the aatmosphere (or lack of it) I stood up at the back of the Lower Rous against Bolton, just in front of the disabled enclosure at the Rookery end and TWICE some miserable old git asked the stewards to kick me out because I was "giving him a headache".
I was not useing foul language although I did call the ref a bloody idiot more than once. Seriously, why do some of our tans bother going? We have so many miserable bar stewards who claim to "support" the hornets will not tolerate volume at a level above that of a gnats ****!
So to those of you who recognise yourself from the above description, either stay away, join in the fun, or shut up and let those of us who want to get behind the boys get on with it.

1234566789 wrote:

willia6692 wrote:

1234566789 wrote:

lutondown wrote:

1234566789 wrote:
Unreserved seating doesn't necessarily work. I used to love getting in the Vicarage Road end at 1.30 to make sure I had a decent seat, got me properly in the mood. But, say a Tuesday night game, can't get to the ground before 7.30 or so, lucky to make kick off - I then have to sit right in the corner because someone who doesn't work and can get there early enough can take my usual seat? No thanks.

Away support is always going to be louder per person - that is obvious. Just look at the demographics of those who go. Much higher % of young/ middle-aged men, ie those who make noise.

You can't complain if someone asks you to sit down in front of them - some people can't stand for 90 minutes - they shouldn't be stopped from watching the game because you want to stand.

Obviously a post from the monastery!
But what we are asking is a move away from you lot. So we can actually support our clubs and you can carry on snoozing. Then everyones happy!

Probably one of the loudest actually (apart from when people sing "the Hornets, the Hornets, and that's the way we like it" against Palace - seriously, it's their song!). Away days are always louder - you think that the whole of Selhurst Park looks like the Vic end did on Friday? No.

I think the best comment is about having one set people that everyone goes to before the game. That would definitely create an atmosphere on the walk down Vicarage Road and takes it into the ground. That I am well up for. But I want my seat.

But without an area to go to as a group,NYSE atmosphere will be diluted down.

Plan in advance and get seats together?

Luton Down - the atmosphere in the first half was great on Friday. 2nd half it was terrible but I can understand that - was so frustrating to see such a change. Of course we should have done more to lift the team but I can understand people getting frustrated and everything going flat. And you should never worry about Palace fans mocking - want to be like those mugs letting off flares? They were only noisy cause they spent all their giro in the pub before hand

1234566789 wrote:

willia6692 wrote:

1234566789 wrote:

lutondown wrote:

1234566789 wrote:
Unreserved seating doesn't necessarily work. I used to love getting in the Vicarage Road end at 1.30 to make sure I had a decent seat, got me properly in the mood. But, say a Tuesday night game, can't get to the ground before 7.30 or so, lucky to make kick off - I then have to sit right in the corner because someone who doesn't work and can get there early enough can take my usual seat? No thanks.

Away support is always going to be louder per person - that is obvious. Just look at the demographics of those who go. Much higher % of young/ middle-aged men, ie those who make noise.

You can't complain if someone asks you to sit down in front of them - some people can't stand for 90 minutes - they shouldn't be stopped from watching the game because you want to stand.

Obviously a post from the monastery!
But what we are asking is a move away from you lot. So we can actually support our clubs and you can carry on snoozing. Then everyones happy!

Probably one of the loudest actually (apart from when people sing "the Hornets, the Hornets, and that's the way we like it" against Palace - seriously, it's their song!). Away days are always louder - you think that the whole of Selhurst Park looks like the Vic end did on Friday? No.

I think the best comment is about having one set people that everyone goes to before the game. That would definitely create an atmosphere on the walk down Vicarage Road and takes it into the ground. That I am well up for. But I want my seat.

But without an area to go to as a group,NYSE atmosphere will be diluted down.

Plan in advance and get seats together?

Luton Down - the atmosphere in the first half was great on Friday. 2nd half it was terrible but I can understand that - was so frustrating to see such a change. Of course we should have done more to lift the team but I can understand people getting frustrated and everything going flat. And you should never worry about Palace fans mocking - want to be like those mugs letting off flares? They were only noisy cause they spent all their giro in the pub before hand