Watford won't be signing loanees before the summer (From This Is Local London)

Football can be such a tough game as it's out with the ‘old’ in with the new. There is no hiding place as Matty has discovered and what happened to Massey as Hoban gets a foot in door with the other solid implants and renewals like Pudil, Deeney, Abdi, & Vydra. Nice supportive comments from fans for Matty.

Mohandas wrote:
Football can be such a tough game as it's out with the ‘old’ in with the new. There is no hiding place as Matty has discovered and what happened to Massey as Hoban gets a foot in door with the other solid implants and renewals like Pudil, Deeney, Abdi, & Vydra. Nice supportive comments from fans for Matty.

???

PS For gods sake Zola, just sign up Vydra.

Understand the situation re loanees but what is delaying the contract extension negotiations re Deeney?
Given the support he received from the club I would have expected the deal to be concluded fairly quickly.

Great article in the Independent and an interview with an outsider for player of the season - Marco Cassetti

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I was about to post that myself Pete. An article well researched and, as a bonus, cites THAT goal against Huddersfield. Nice to see GZ thinks Cassetti can carry on 'til he's 40. Certainly another year or so with us would be nice.

Considering the way WFC stood by Deeney I would be pretty disgusted in him if he did not extend his contract. We took a risk by keeping him on and whilst he has repaid us on the pitch he will not be doing the right thing by us in the long-term if he allows his contract to run out. That said I would be suprised if he does not sign an extension. I have a lot of time for Deeney and he seems like quite a character (does some stamp collecting too)
On to tonight- I really see us getting a good win as Palarse will not park the bus. Ollie's teams never do, they will come at us and recieve a lesson in counter-attacking football from Hertfordshire's Samba boys.
Abdi, Vydra, Battachio and Chalobah have too much craft and guile for anyone in the div on their day. They too have tika-taka machines in the form of Bolasie and Zaha so our defence will have to stand strong. Missing Nos and a tired Hoban does make the situ a little difficult but the back-up is top draw so im not worried. Lloyd the limpet wont give them a second and Super Kev and that bell-end Dobbie will not get through (scared of Murray though)
I got 18/1 for us to win 3-1 and I rekon thats a good bet. Will be watching the game at the Famous 3 Kings in Kensington if any 'Orns fans are in the area- keep the faith and come on you Golden Boys!!!!

PeteBogHorrorHornet wrote:
Great article in the Independent and an interview with an outsider for player of the season - Marco Cassetti

http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/sport/footb

all/news-and-comment

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t-the-italian-who-pr

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Excellent article love the way they've kept the "Italian" English in.

...compared with the number of brilliant inaccuracies in this...

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a1derek wrote:

PeteBogHorrorHornet wrote:
Great article in the Independent and an interview with an outsider for player of the season - Marco Cassetti

http://www.independe


nt.co.uk/sport/footb


all/news-and-comment


/jack-pittbrooke-mee


t-the-italian-who-pr


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Excellent article love the way they've kept the "Italian" English in.

I agree excellent article and a really excellent player that shows that the Pozzo's or Nani whilst concentrating on young untapped talent also appreciate what an excellent mature pro can bring both to the team and to the young professionals in terms of their development. I think Casseti has been outstanding for most of this season (once he got used to the tempo of the championship) and I am glad that he seems to be enjoying his time with us.

slightly shocked that no-one is commenting on this article.

the message from the club has been 'yeah, they're signing this week, they're signing next week, oh actually we aren't even going to think about it until the summer. very fishy, and the first whiff of Bassini Syndrome I'm sad to say.

If we were going to sign them permanently, for nothing, then the Pozzos would surely release them from their existing contracts. Either the Pozzos are thinking about sending them back or (and this is what I fear) the players have had their heads turned elsewhere and don't want to commit to us (understandable in a way, but bad news).

Either way, fairly transparent spin from Nani ('oh no, Zola wasn't referring to them signing contracts, oh no').

Colin West's mullet wrote:
slightly shocked that no-one is commenting on this article.

the message from the club has been 'yeah, they're signing this week, they're signing next week, oh actually we aren't even going to think about it until the summer. very fishy, and the first whiff of Bassini Syndrome I'm sad to say.

If we were going to sign them permanently, for nothing, then the Pozzos would surely release them from their existing contracts. Either the Pozzos are thinking about sending them back or (and this is what I fear) the players have had their heads turned elsewhere and don't want to commit to us (understandable in a way, but bad news).

Either way, fairly transparent spin from Nani ('oh no, Zola wasn't referring to them signing contracts, oh no').

Bassini Syndrome? Don't you think that's pushing it a bit. As has been stated on here countless of times, who cares who they sign for IF they are owned by the same people. We are just as likely, in the future, to send players to Granada and Udinese, after all. If the players want to stay, they will. If top creatives like Abdi and Vydra get 'turned' as you put it, so what? That is what happens in football every week. Like everyone, I would love Abdi and Vydra to stay. If we go up I'm sure they will, but if they move on, they move on. I don't think anyone is going back on promises made, but be realistic... if Udinese sell a top striker to another club, and we are not in the top flight, who would blame them for bringing Vydra (or whoever) back. This is a family! That is the point.

mellow yellow wrote:

Colin West's mullet wrote:
slightly shocked that no-one is commenting on this article.

the message from the club has been 'yeah, they're signing this week, they're signing next week, oh actually we aren't even going to think about it until the summer. very fishy, and the first whiff of Bassini Syndrome I'm sad to say.

If we were going to sign them permanently, for nothing, then the Pozzos would surely release them from their existing contracts. Either the Pozzos are thinking about sending them back or (and this is what I fear) the players have had their heads turned elsewhere and don't want to commit to us (understandable in a way, but bad news).

Either way, fairly transparent spin from Nani ('oh no, Zola wasn't referring to them signing contracts, oh no').

Bassini Syndrome? Don't you think that's pushing it a bit. As has been stated on here countless of times, who cares who they sign for IF they are owned by the same people. We are just as likely, in the future, to send players to Granada and Udinese, after all. If the players want to stay, they will. If top creatives like Abdi and Vydra get 'turned' as you put it, so what? That is what happens in football every week. Like everyone, I would love Abdi and Vydra to stay. If we go up I'm sure they will, but if they move on, they move on. I don't think anyone is going back on promises made, but be realistic... if Udinese sell a top striker to another club, and we are not in the top flight, who would blame them for bringing Vydra (or whoever) back. This is a family! That is the point.

my point is simply that this story completely contradicts what the club has been saying for the last 2 months. Worse than that, it tries to say that what they've been saying for the last 2 months...well, they weren't even saying it apparently.

Also, I can imagine the following scenario:

We'll release you from you Udinese contract if you sign for Watford. Ok, says the player. He signs release forms. Agent steps in. Before you sign for Watford I've just had a call from X. Oh, let's explore that possibility. Result? Player leaves for no transfer fee at all, Pozzos get nothing, the family screwed over. I have no idea if this is legally possible, but it wouldn't surprise me if it is!

Lets stop worrying about what may or may not happen in the summer and concentrate on beating these sarf lahndan dimwits tonight.

I am not worried at all about whether they stay or go at the moment, we still have a job to do and they are involved in achieving that and doing well, which one would not want to sign on the dotted line if/when we are promoted espicially as they helped achieve it! On Deeney I believe he has seen what has happend to Sordell and Graham (wages wise) and is holding out with his best season so far to see if a better offer comes along, seriously I don't believe he has a need for loyalty as he probably believes he has paid back his debt's already, whether we agree is neither here or there at the end of the day he is looking after no 1 and seeing what kinds of salaries are being paid by other clubs even a few grand more is worth holding on a while, however if we do get into the prem he will sign like the others no doubt about that.

I was talking to one of the players who we want to sign permanently whilst we were at at Forest, and asked when he was going to put pen to paper? he replied " I would love to but they have not offered me a contract"...Thats what he said!
I won't say who it was.

mellow yellow wrote:
Also, I can imagine the following scenario:

We'll release you from you Udinese contract if you sign for Watford. Ok, says the player. He signs release forms. Agent steps in. Before you sign for Watford I've just had a call from X. Oh, let's explore that possibility. Result? Player leaves for no transfer fee at all, Pozzos get nothing, the family screwed over. I have no idea if this is legally possible, but it wouldn't surprise me if it is!

Probably the most ridiculous posting I have ever read. Seriously.

They would only be allowed to be released from their Udinese contract AFTER they had signed a pre-agreement with Watford. Not the other way round! Do you think the Pozzo family are that stupid?

Colin West's mullet wrote:
slightly shocked that no-one is commenting on this article.

the message from the club has been 'yeah, they're signing this week, they're signing next week, oh actually we aren't even going to think about it until the summer. very fishy, and the first whiff of Bassini Syndrome I'm sad to say.

If we were going to sign them permanently, for nothing, then the Pozzos would surely release them from their existing contracts. Either the Pozzos are thinking about sending them back or (and this is what I fear) the players have had their heads turned elsewhere and don't want to commit to us (understandable in a way, but bad news).

Either way, fairly transparent spin from Nani ('oh no, Zola wasn't referring to them signing contracts, oh no').

I'll withdraw my previous comment. This is the most ridiculous posting I have ever read.

petsoundsnick wrote:

Colin West's mullet wrote: slightly shocked that no-one is commenting on this article. the message from the club has been 'yeah, they're signing this week, they're signing next week, oh actually we aren't even going to think about it until the summer. very fishy, and the first whiff of Bassini Syndrome I'm sad to say. If we were going to sign them permanently, for nothing, then the Pozzos would surely release them from their existing contracts. Either the Pozzos are thinking about sending them back or (and this is what I fear) the players have had their heads turned elsewhere and don't want to commit to us (understandable in a way, but bad news). Either way, fairly transparent spin from Nani ('oh no, Zola wasn't referring to them signing contracts, oh no').

I'll withdraw my previous comment. This is the most ridiculous posting I have ever read.

And I bet he still has a mullet!

Letsalldothecongafor
brittassombalonga wrote:
Considering the way WFC stood by Deeney I would be pretty disgusted in him if he did not extend his contract. We took a risk by keeping him on and whilst he has repaid us on the pitch he will not be doing the right thing by us in the long-term if he allows his contract to run out. That said I would be suprised if he does not sign an extension. I have a lot of time for Deeney and he seems like quite a character (does some stamp collecting too) On to tonight- I really see us getting a good win as Palarse will not park the bus. Ollie's teams never do, they will come at us and recieve a lesson in counter-attacking football from Hertfordshire's Samba boys. Abdi, Vydra, Battachio and Chalobah have too much craft and guile for anyone in the div on their day. They too have tika-taka machines in the form of Bolasie and Zaha so our defence will have to stand strong. Missing Nos and a tired Hoban does make the situ a little difficult but the back-up is top draw so im not worried. Lloyd the limpet wont give them a second and Super Kev and that bell-end Dobbie will not get through (scared of Murray though) I got 18/1 for us to win 3-1 and I rekon thats a good bet. Will be watching the game at the Famous 3 Kings in Kensington if any 'Orns fans are in the area- keep the faith and come on you Golden Boys!!!!

Why not buy a ticket? They are on sale today right up to kick off.

petsoundsnick wrote:

mellow yellow wrote: Also, I can imagine the following scenario: We'll release you from you Udinese contract if you sign for Watford. Ok, says the player. He signs release forms. Agent steps in. Before you sign for Watford I've just had a call from X. Oh, let's explore that possibility. Result? Player leaves for no transfer fee at all, Pozzos get nothing, the family screwed over. I have no idea if this is legally possible, but it wouldn't surprise me if it is!

Probably the most ridiculous posting I have ever read. Seriously. They would only be allowed to be released from their Udinese contract AFTER they had signed a pre-agreement with Watford. Not the other way round! Do you think the Pozzo family are that stupid?

You beat me to it. They would have to sign the Watford contract before tearing up the Udinese one.

One thing on agents. What's that Chavanec, sorry Chovanec, playing at saying his client's excited to be linked to Roma. Youv'e got a bit too much to say fella.

“These players all have long contracts with their respective parent clubs and the right time will arrive to discuss their futures".
How does this Nani quote reconcile with Zola's quote about breaking his phone?

I believe it is the best for all concerned that contracts etc etc be reviewed in the summer.We must remember we are a sister club of two that are playing in there top flight. Hopefully Granada manage to stay up or if they do so or not clearly need to strengthen there side on latest results and position they are in there league.In fairness we cannot expect to keep getting the cream surely.
When our new owners took over they hoped to achieve top flight in the next few seasons so we are way ahead with there objectives just now.For me its been an amazing job on whats been done in such a short period.I only hope its not overlooked how good a side we are now if we do not make the play offs.The Pozzo family have put us back on the map.

Harry's Bar wrote:

petsoundsnick wrote:

mellow yellow wrote: Also, I can imagine the following scenario: We'll release you from you Udinese contract if you sign for Watford. Ok, says the player. He signs release forms. Agent steps in. Before you sign for Watford I've just had a call from X. Oh, let's explore that possibility. Result? Player leaves for no transfer fee at all, Pozzos get nothing, the family screwed over. I have no idea if this is legally possible, but it wouldn't surprise me if it is!

Probably the most ridiculous posting I have ever read. Seriously. They would only be allowed to be released from their Udinese contract AFTER they had signed a pre-agreement with Watford. Not the other way round! Do you think the Pozzo family are that stupid?

You beat me to it. They would have to sign the Watford contract before tearing up the Udinese one.

One thing on agents. What's that Chavanec, sorry Chovanec, playing at saying his client's excited to be linked to Roma. Youv'e got a bit too much to say fella.

That isn't allowed. At all.

Harry's Bar wrote:
“These players all have long contracts with their respective parent clubs and the right time will arrive to discuss their futures".
How does this Nani quote reconcile with Zola's quote about breaking his phone?

Believe that meant he wanted desperately to keep him.Journalistic talk etc etc

Colin West's mullet wrote:
slightly shocked that no-one is commenting on this article.

the message from the club has been 'yeah, they're signing this week, they're signing next week, oh actually we aren't even going to think about it until the summer. very fishy, and the first whiff of Bassini Syndrome I'm sad to say.

If we were going to sign them permanently, for nothing, then the Pozzos would surely release them from their existing contracts. Either the Pozzos are thinking about sending them back or (and this is what I fear) the players have had their heads turned elsewhere and don't want to commit to us (understandable in a way, but bad news).

Either way, fairly transparent spin from Nani ('oh no, Zola wasn't referring to them signing contracts, oh no').

Not the most well thought out post.

If Udinese release players from their contracts they (or more relevantly their agents) will be free to negotiate contracts anywhere.

Hands up anyone who thinks a 'free' Matej Vidra could not at least quadruple his current salary ?

Colin West's mullet wrote:
slightly shocked that no-one is commenting on this article. the message from the club has been 'yeah, they're signing this week, they're signing next week, oh actually we aren't even going to think about it until the summer. very fishy, and the first whiff of Bassini Syndrome I'm sad to say. If we were going to sign them permanently, for nothing, then the Pozzos would surely release them from their existing contracts. Either the Pozzos are thinking about sending them back or (and this is what I fear) the players have had their heads turned elsewhere and don't want to commit to us (understandable in a way, but bad news). Either way, fairly transparent spin from Nani ('oh no, Zola wasn't referring to them signing contracts, oh no').

how can you compare them to sbaz, you really are a miserable negative moron.

mitch kings langley wrote:
I was talking to one of the players who we want to sign permanently whilst we were at at Forest, and asked when he was going to put pen to paper? he replied " I would love to but they have not offered me a contract"...Thats what he said!
I won't say who it was.

Daniel Pudil, if his twitter account was anything to go by the other day

AngelHornet wrote:

mitch kings langley wrote: I was talking to one of the players who we want to sign permanently whilst we were at at Forest, and asked when he was going to put pen to paper? he replied " I would love to but they have not offered me a contract"...Thats what he said! I won't say who it was.

Daniel Pudil, if his twitter account was anything to go by the other day

El suss mondo?

If we go up, do you think we would want TD, I think there must be better out in the other two clubs, can see him as a bench warmer next season, if we are in the Prem. We need to look at who will score goals aginst the likes of Man City etc, I don't think the pozzos want us to be a yo - yo club.

More likely this is to do with the football league misconduct case