Comment: Sean Dyche was the embodiment of Watford as a club
12:14pm Monday 29th October 2012 in Latest Sport
Sean Dyche was sacked despite guiding Watford to their highest league position in four years. Pictures: Holly Cant and Pippa Douglas
With Sean Dyche set to be named Burnley manager this week, Clarets fans and Watford supporters may be interested in reading deputy sport editor Frank Smith's comment piece which was published in the Watford Observer newspaper following Dyche's departure from Vicarage Road back in July.
It is said that a week is a long time in football, and it is surprising to think that seven days ago Sean Dyche was still the manager of Watford, even if the writing was on the wall for some time before that.
Events have moved on considerably since then, with Dyche’s departure soon followed by Gianfranco Zola’s appointment and all the talk this week has been about the Italian’s press conference on Tuesday evening.
For a lot of supporters, Dyche’s sacking will be old news; particularly for those who use social media and read websites, but the former centre-half’s achievements at Watford should not be overlooked, or not recognised.
The reason for Dyche’s dismissal was made clear by the club’s new regime and the fact they want their own man is understandable, especially when it seems there will be a dramatic change in the way the club operates.
However, Dyche is among a very small group of managers who have been sacked despite exceeding their side’s expectations and he can consider himself extremely unfortunate to be out of work.
This is a man who guided the club to their highest league position, and points tally, in four seasons and a top half finish in the Championship, with one of the smallest budgets in the division. That is no mean feat.
Let’s not forget, the Championship’s best striker during the 2010/11 campaign, Danny Graham, was sold last summer, Watford’s highest assist maker Don Cowie left and the pacy Will Buckley was also out of the door.
There were more than ten new signings made last year but Dyche still managed to mould them into a side which were competitive in almost every game last season.
It wasn’t all smooth sailing during Dyche’s reign and, understandably, there were a lot of concerned supporters when the Hornets were sitting in the relegation zone in October.
Online forums were full of fans calling for Dyche’s head and the pressure was on the first-time manager. Yet he remained calm, remained respectful to the supporters and media when tough questions were being asked, and he turned things around.
The steady progression continued and Dyche was ultimately proved right. Watford finished 11th and their manager had developed a team the supporters were proud of.
By his own admission, Dyche’s Watford were not the finished article and at times the football was not the most attractive, but there are of course flaws in all teams and this was a developing side.
What the Hornets did have though, was real togetherness and a work ethic which was the envy of most managers in the division.
Dyche often spoke of how he tried to implement his values in life on to his team and Watford were a reflection of their manager; they gave their all for the club, were a team you could relate to, and support, and they were honest in their performance.
Dyche spent eight of the last ten years at Watford and he was a true servant to the club.
Some of the ground work had been done by previous managers but Dyche developed the club further and when I would speak to new signings, almost every one would talk about the squad’s incredible morale and the enviable work rate shown by all of the players.
Whilst there was in-fighting behind the scenes in the offices, Dyche sheltered the players and, along with his likeable coaching staff, continued to develop his side.
Making reference to the budget is not just an excuse but Dyche was not one to hide behind mitigating circumstances.
He could have continuously blamed disappointing results on the club’s small budget, the numerous poor refereeing decisions during the course of the season or the departure of their four best attacking players but he didn’t. He got on with the job and was thoroughly good at it.
There was the odd disagreement between the two of us at times but it was not a case of a manager over-reacting or throwing his toys out of the pram – he was fair throughout.
He was respectful of our newspaper, respectful of our readers and respectful of the supporters.
When you travel across the country covering a club, you come across all kinds of managers with different personalities. Often you sit listening to a press conference knowing the man speaking is trying to hide the shortcomings of his side, or himself, by attempting to manipulate the media.
That was never the case with Dyche. He was honest with his views, never tried to hide behind excuses and I can count on one hand the amount of times I disagreed with his assessment of a match.
Dyche worked his way up the ranks at Watford and was an embodiment of what is great about the club.
I would like to use this article to say, Sean, it was an absolute pleasure working alongside you during the last 12 months. I am certain I am not alone when I say thank you for the superb job you did at Watford and I wish you every success in the future.
Comments(38)
Nordin's Hooter
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12:56pm Mon 29 Oct 12
holtonian
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1:38pm Mon 29 Oct 12
I for one have been very happy about our new set up and am certain given good time will see the rewards.
But my whole hearted wish is for Sean to also strive on also.
PedroHornet
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2:47pm Mon 29 Oct 12
I'm sure most Hornets fans will join me in wishing you every success in your new role.
andyhooked
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3:34pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Bringe
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4:13pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Chris the Vic
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4:46pm Mon 29 Oct 12
I suspect he might have done a better job than GFZ has to date but then I suspect we have yet to see the best of GFZ and the team.
I suspect GFZ may well be a better bet should we reach the premier in the next year or so. Managing in the Premier is vastly different to managing well in the Championship.
jasonwatford
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4:58pm Mon 29 Oct 12
lutondown
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5:02pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Chris the Vic wrote:I suspect....zzzzzzz
I am sure Sean will do a great job for Burnley if and when they take him on.
I suspect he might have done a better job than GFZ has to date but then I suspect we have yet to see the best of GFZ and the team.
I suspect GFZ may well be a better bet should we reach the premier in the next year or so. Managing in the Premier is vastly different to managing well in the Championship.
Get off that fence Chris. Jeez
mooneysmagic
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5:08pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Bringe wrote:He will be able to buy players at Burnley, rather than having to sell his best players at Watford.
He won't have quite the same advantages at BFC as he had with us (top notch academy and scouting infrastructure) so it will be interesting to see how he gets on. And though I'd be first to admit not being a fan of Sean's I wish him well all the same.
DuffmanWFC
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5:10pm Mon 29 Oct 12
However I still prefer the new set up to the previous one!
Now SD has a new job I hope the people who bang on about him all the time can move on - that includes the Watford Observer!
We have a bright new future with better owners, better players, and a better style of football.
I wonder if Dyche will want to sign some of his quality signings he made for us but for Burnley? Wanna buy Yeates or Iwelumo Mr Dyche?
lutondown
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5:23pm Mon 29 Oct 12
DuffmanWFC wrote:In a nutshell. Comets cull comets the man ( to take back his dross)!
I wish SD all the best in his new job as he was a great servant to the club.
However I still prefer the new set up to the previous one!
Now SD has a new job I hope the people who bang on about him all the time can move on - that includes the Watford Observer!
We have a bright new future with better owners, better players, and a better style of football.
I wonder if Dyche will want to sign some of his quality signings he made for us but for Burnley? Wanna buy Yeates or Iwelumo Mr Dyche?
lutondown
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5:24pm Mon 29 Oct 12
lutondown wrote:Well that's killed that, meant to say cometh the cull, cometh the man...! Ah well
DuffmanWFC wrote:In a nutshell. Comets cull comets the man ( to take back his dross)!
I wish SD all the best in his new job as he was a great servant to the club.
However I still prefer the new set up to the previous one!
Now SD has a new job I hope the people who bang on about him all the time can move on - that includes the Watford Observer!
We have a bright new future with better owners, better players, and a better style of football.
I wonder if Dyche will want to sign some of his quality signings he made for us but for Burnley? Wanna buy Yeates or Iwelumo Mr Dyche?
lutondown
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5:25pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Goldenboy1960
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6:14pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Now what have we got this year. A Manager who has not got the players fit enough and he said that himslef by way of admitting they have been tired in the last parts of the game. We do not have a togetherness in our team. That is the point we have 40 odd professionals but don't have a team. I have to question the way he has set the players formation up. I don't know many teams if any in this country that have got promotion playing a back 3. We are conceding goals and late goals. Our disciplinary record is shocking even though 2 players have had their ban rescinded and reduced. We have a reputation for diving. We are not scoring goals for the level of ability that everyone believes we have. In fact the top scorer has been left out of 2 of the last 3 games! Why? Tired because of 3 games in a week!! Well they are in England and they better toughen up. But let me tell you players want to play in every game, this is total nonsense and is just in people's heads. I don't think he knows what his best team is. We have been fielding only 2 players regularly from last season and they are really showing their weakness. Admittedly Eustace has been injured but I am not sure he would have played him anyhow. The team are missing leadership and experience on the pitch.
Everyone keeps on about the Premiership, well this set of players are a long, long way off that. I don't see the team moving forward as a unit and our opponents are starting to pick us off. We cannot score and we leave the only one really capable of scoring goals regularly on the bench....
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
maximus hornetus
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6:18pm Mon 29 Oct 12
lutondown
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6:26pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Goldenboy1960 wrote:After 12 games. Lol. But Sean was given much longer by his disciples.
I will make a big point here. Whether you like or did not like Sean Dyche no one can argue about what he achieved last year with a very raw and inexperienced set of players overall. He got them fit, he got them together and as the season went on they improved massively. The players were together and worked very hard. They got better and better and finished the season very strongly.
Now what have we got this year. A Manager who has not got the players fit enough and he said that himslef by way of admitting they have been tired in the last parts of the game. We do not have a togetherness in our team. That is the point we have 40 odd professionals but don't have a team. I have to question the way he has set the players formation up. I don't know many teams if any in this country that have got promotion playing a back 3. We are conceding goals and late goals. Our disciplinary record is shocking even though 2 players have had their ban rescinded and reduced. We have a reputation for diving. We are not scoring goals for the level of ability that everyone believes we have. In fact the top scorer has been left out of 2 of the last 3 games! Why? Tired because of 3 games in a week!! Well they are in England and they better toughen up. But let me tell you players want to play in every game, this is total nonsense and is just in people's heads. I don't think he knows what his best team is. We have been fielding only 2 players regularly from last season and they are really showing their weakness. Admittedly Eustace has been injured but I am not sure he would have played him anyhow. The team are missing leadership and experience on the pitch.
Everyone keeps on about the Premiership, well this set of players are a long, long way off that. I don't see the team moving forward as a unit and our opponents are starting to pick us off. We cannot score and we leave the only one really capable of scoring goals regularly on the bench....
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Anyway we all beg to differ.
Can't say I looked forward to games last season like I do this year.
That's no disrespect to Sean, I just like my football played on the ground.
Goldenboy1960
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6:39pm Mon 29 Oct 12
He has to get them fit, and if they can't get in the team then they have to improve to get into the team. That's the way football is.
If he gets a settled side then replace someone with an injury or suspension. Competition for places does the trick. He is a tinkerer, and doesn't know how to organise the side defensively or at set pieces which is so vital in any league. And some games you have to battle through an ugly game. That is football, and it is not show case football all the time as he played with 10 other top international players around him.
He has to learn and very quickly....
SAHornet
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6:44pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Goldenboy1960 wrote:First para bang on thread and then you start to waffle. Shame, it was all going so well.
I will make a big point here. Whether you like or did not like Sean Dyche no one can argue about what he achieved last year with a very raw and inexperienced set of players overall. He got them fit, he got them together and as the season went on they improved massively. The players were together and worked very hard. They got better and better and finished the season very strongly.
Now what have we got this year. A Manager who has not got the players fit enough and he said that himslef by way of admitting they have been tired in the last parts of the game. We do not have a togetherness in our team. That is the point we have 40 odd professionals but don't have a team. I have to question the way he has set the players formation up. I don't know many teams if any in this country that have got promotion playing a back 3. We are conceding goals and late goals. Our disciplinary record is shocking even though 2 players have had their ban rescinded and reduced. We have a reputation for diving. We are not scoring goals for the level of ability that everyone believes we have. In fact the top scorer has been left out of 2 of the last 3 games! Why? Tired because of 3 games in a week!! Well they are in England and they better toughen up. But let me tell you players want to play in every game, this is total nonsense and is just in people's heads. I don't think he knows what his best team is. We have been fielding only 2 players regularly from last season and they are really showing their weakness. Admittedly Eustace has been injured but I am not sure he would have played him anyhow. The team are missing leadership and experience on the pitch.
Everyone keeps on about the Premiership, well this set of players are a long, long way off that. I don't see the team moving forward as a unit and our opponents are starting to pick us off. We cannot score and we leave the only one really capable of scoring goals regularly on the bench....
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
lutondown
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6:49pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Goldenboy1960 wrote:Don't tell me what football I like or don't, nor can you speak for the masses
No people like winning football which means defending properly and having a threat going forward. We all like to see good football played, but it has to hurt the oppposition by getting the ball in behind the opposition. That will win you games. If you quote Barcelona I will tell you that if we had world class players we could play like that but we haven't neither English or foreign players at that level. The Championship is a hard league and there are no gives like their are in leagues abroad. Everyone is tough as we all know. I can go with the players who have come in and are learning but the Manager should not tinker all the time. He needs to get a settled team playing attacking football with a stable back 4 that builds an understanding. Teams are exposing us down the side and creating lots of opportunities.
He has to get them fit, and if they can't get in the team then they have to improve to get into the team. That's the way football is.
If he gets a settled side then replace someone with an injury or suspension. Competition for places does the trick. He is a tinkerer, and doesn't know how to organise the side defensively or at set pieces which is so vital in any league. And some games you have to battle through an ugly game. That is football, and it is not show case football all the time as he played with 10 other top international players around him.
He has to learn and very quickly....
KeithMercer
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7:10pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Goldenboy1960 wrote:I think it is supporters like YOU that hold this club back with your constant indifference and always banging on about the past !!.
No people like winning football which means defending properly and having a threat going forward. We all like to see good football played, but it has to hurt the oppposition by getting the ball in behind the opposition. That will win you games. If you quote Barcelona I will tell you that if we had world class players we could play like that but we haven't neither English or foreign players at that level. The Championship is a hard league and there are no gives like their are in leagues abroad. Everyone is tough as we all know. I can go with the players who have come in and are learning but the Manager should not tinker all the time. He needs to get a settled team playing attacking football with a stable back 4 that builds an understanding. Teams are exposing us down the side and creating lots of opportunities.
He has to get them fit, and if they can't get in the team then they have to improve to get into the team. That's the way football is.
If he gets a settled side then replace someone with an injury or suspension. Competition for places does the trick. He is a tinkerer, and doesn't know how to organise the side defensively or at set pieces which is so vital in any league. And some games you have to battle through an ugly game. That is football, and it is not show case football all the time as he played with 10 other top international players around him.
He has to learn and very quickly....
Have you got anything positive to say ? better still do you actually go to games ?.
After that drivel you just spouted I very much doubt you have seen this team other than at 11-30 on a saturday night.
Its our job to get behind the manager and the team and show some passion !! not be a spineless doomsayer like you !!. Jeez hope I never have the mis fortune to be near you at a game . oh I forgot, you dont go !!.
stonehornet
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7:12pm Mon 29 Oct 12
As for this season, I think GZ/pozo's have no intension of a promotion push, he knows the squad is too good to go down thus is 'playing' with the team/formation and building for 13/14. That's why there are so many changes atm and no settled side.
We'll probably trash Leicester and lose to Millwall.
P.S. Udinese beat Roma 3-2 away to go 8th in league.
lutondown
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7:23pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Don't care if I'm banned for being honest, the real supporters are all on Twitter.
jasonwatford
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8:10pm Mon 29 Oct 12
lutondown
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8:11pm Mon 29 Oct 12
jasonwatford wrote:Agreed!
goldenboy and watforddogs are father and daughter...both live in a caravan at junc 10 so please ignore the dribble they come out with. Plus W/O lets put a bit more effort into supporting out team rather than looking back and slating at each possible moment.
Terry Dactile
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8:41pm Mon 29 Oct 12
D.unstable
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11:33pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Goldenboy1960 wrote:Just seen on CNN that hurricane Goldenboy1960 is just off the East Coast like a bloody big black cloud.
No people like winning football which means defending properly and having a threat going forward. We all like to see good football played, but it has to hurt the oppposition by getting the ball in behind the opposition. That will win you games. If you quote Barcelona I will tell you that if we had world class players we could play like that but we haven't neither English or foreign players at that level. The Championship is a hard league and there are no gives like their are in leagues abroad. Everyone is tough as we all know. I can go with the players who have come in and are learning but the Manager should not tinker all the time. He needs to get a settled team playing attacking football with a stable back 4 that builds an understanding. Teams are exposing us down the side and creating lots of opportunities.
He has to get them fit, and if they can't get in the team then they have to improve to get into the team. That's the way football is.
If he gets a settled side then replace someone with an injury or suspension. Competition for places does the trick. He is a tinkerer, and doesn't know how to organise the side defensively or at set pieces which is so vital in any league. And some games you have to battle through an ugly game. That is football, and it is not show case football all the time as he played with 10 other top international players around him.
He has to learn and very quickly....
DuffmanWFC
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7:20am Tue 30 Oct 12
You bang on about togetherness but its the new players that have impressed me most!
Zola and co said that this was a project with this season being just the start and next season being more the completed article!
Because we have compeated well and at times played some great football (except for Derby away) and should of had more points then we have the majority of us supporters get excited or maybe even carried away a little bit as we start to see what this side can achieve! What I am trying to say is that because of the new set up its given us the belief that we are going to do well and not start the season as hope we stay up but as hope we get right up there! For the new regime I thank for this!
SAHornet
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7:44am Tue 30 Oct 12
DuffmanWFC wrote:Nice one Duffers. Well said.
Goldenboy1960 every footy fan I know wants to see there team win if not at least play well! There is no better feeling then when you play top class football and win - with this in mind this seasons football is so much better then the last!
You bang on about togetherness but its the new players that have impressed me most!
Zola and co said that this was a project with this season being just the start and next season being more the completed article!
Because we have compeated well and at times played some great football (except for Derby away) and should of had more points then we have the majority of us supporters get excited or maybe even carried away a little bit as we start to see what this side can achieve! What I am trying to say is that because of the new set up its given us the belief that we are going to do well and not start the season as hope we stay up but as hope we get right up there! For the new regime I thank for this!
Chris the Vic
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9:01am Tue 30 Oct 12
I can see where Duffman is coming from but we all must not forget this is a team game and despite superior talent the team results leave a lot to be desired.
We do not need Yeates but we do need Eustace, Vydra should start and we need a striker to bang in some goals Deeney was second best to Sordell last year and third best to Sordell and Graham the previous year and yet he is now the best striker we have despite all the loanees.
There remain large question marks against Zola and moreso against Nani, as for Sean last year he did not get that lucky but achieved a lot through hard work and instilling a never say die team spirit.
Chris the Vic
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9:01am Tue 30 Oct 12
I can see where Duffman is coming from but we all must not forget this is a team game and despite superior talent the team results leave a lot to be desired.
We do not need Yeates but we do need Eustace, Vydra should start and we need a striker to bang in some goals Deeney was second best to Sordell last year and third best to Sordell and Graham the previous year and yet he is now the best striker we have despite all the loanees.
There remain large question marks against Zola and moreso against Nani, as for Sean last year he did not get that lucky but achieved a lot through hard work and instilling a never say die team spirit.
Bringe
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9:52am Tue 30 Oct 12
Chris the Vic wrote:lol, you do spout some tosh - large question marks indeed! ... have we somehow made a mistake by not courting Pep Guardiola?
Luton I would love to get off the fence, however unlike you I still await proof that Zola is the right man.
I can see where Duffman is coming from but we all must not forget this is a team game and despite superior talent the team results leave a lot to be desired.
We do not need Yeates but we do need Eustace, Vydra should start and we need a striker to bang in some goals Deeney was second best to Sordell last year and third best to Sordell and Graham the previous year and yet he is now the best striker we have despite all the loanees.
There remain large question marks against Zola and moreso against Nani, as for Sean last year he did not get that lucky but achieved a lot through hard work and instilling a never say die team spirit.
Start behaving like a Watford fan and get behind the club. Players, owner, management et al.
bushey tales
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1:26pm Tue 30 Oct 12
Goldenboy1960
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2:03pm Tue 30 Oct 12
KeithMercer wrote:Your so wrong in every sense. But you will only see what you want to see. Well that's ok. All I can say is lets wait and see....
Goldenboy1960 wrote:I think it is supporters like YOU that hold this club back with your constant indifference and always banging on about the past !!.
No people like winning football which means defending properly and having a threat going forward. We all like to see good football played, but it has to hurt the oppposition by getting the ball in behind the opposition. That will win you games. If you quote Barcelona I will tell you that if we had world class players we could play like that but we haven't neither English or foreign players at that level. The Championship is a hard league and there are no gives like their are in leagues abroad. Everyone is tough as we all know. I can go with the players who have come in and are learning but the Manager should not tinker all the time. He needs to get a settled team playing attacking football with a stable back 4 that builds an understanding. Teams are exposing us down the side and creating lots of opportunities.
He has to get them fit, and if they can't get in the team then they have to improve to get into the team. That's the way football is.
If he gets a settled side then replace someone with an injury or suspension. Competition for places does the trick. He is a tinkerer, and doesn't know how to organise the side defensively or at set pieces which is so vital in any league. And some games you have to battle through an ugly game. That is football, and it is not show case football all the time as he played with 10 other top international players around him.
He has to learn and very quickly....
Have you got anything positive to say ? better still do you actually go to games ?.
After that drivel you just spouted I very much doubt you have seen this team other than at 11-30 on a saturday night.
Its our job to get behind the manager and the team and show some passion !! not be a spineless doomsayer like you !!. Jeez hope I never have the mis fortune to be near you at a game . oh I forgot, you dont go !!.
The evidence is there already. He says now we shouldn't be defending so deep. Who's responsibility is that then? I know a lot of people on here are starting to ask questions....
Mangoputney
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5:14pm Tue 30 Oct 12
lutondown wrote:F&!k me is SD really 100 years old?! Was he involved when I first started attending? Was he GT and EJ?! No so WO I think the headline is a little exaggerated!
Embodiment of the club! That's stretching it a bit far..I still remember the transfer frenzy that brought in some utter tosh. Sorry it weren't all good.
Now SD you are a top man and I 100 per cent hope you do well (first signing at Burnley Mirfin and then big Chris!). You did work miracles at the Vic in EXTREMLEY testing times and it was unfortunate how it ended up but onwards and upwards for us all now
lutondown
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5:19pm Tue 30 Oct 12
Goldenboy1960 wrote:Yes you and the usual anti football brigade. Now turf moor beckons where your idol awaits. See ya
KeithMercer wrote:Your so wrong in every sense. But you will only see what you want to see. Well that's ok. All I can say is lets wait and see....
Goldenboy1960 wrote:I think it is supporters like YOU that hold this club back with your constant indifference and always banging on about the past !!.
No people like winning football which means defending properly and having a threat going forward. We all like to see good football played, but it has to hurt the oppposition by getting the ball in behind the opposition. That will win you games. If you quote Barcelona I will tell you that if we had world class players we could play like that but we haven't neither English or foreign players at that level. The Championship is a hard league and there are no gives like their are in leagues abroad. Everyone is tough as we all know. I can go with the players who have come in and are learning but the Manager should not tinker all the time. He needs to get a settled team playing attacking football with a stable back 4 that builds an understanding. Teams are exposing us down the side and creating lots of opportunities.
He has to get them fit, and if they can't get in the team then they have to improve to get into the team. That's the way football is.
If he gets a settled side then replace someone with an injury or suspension. Competition for places does the trick. He is a tinkerer, and doesn't know how to organise the side defensively or at set pieces which is so vital in any league. And some games you have to battle through an ugly game. That is football, and it is not show case football all the time as he played with 10 other top international players around him.
He has to learn and very quickly....
Have you got anything positive to say ? better still do you actually go to games ?.
After that drivel you just spouted I very much doubt you have seen this team other than at 11-30 on a saturday night.
Its our job to get behind the manager and the team and show some passion !! not be a spineless doomsayer like you !!. Jeez hope I never have the mis fortune to be near you at a game . oh I forgot, you dont go !!.
The evidence is there already. He says now we shouldn't be defending so deep. Who's responsibility is that then? I know a lot of people on here are starting to ask questions....
Mangoputney
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5:29pm Tue 30 Oct 12
lutondown wrote:Now I'm prepared to put my money where my mouth is 1) we will be amongst top goal scorers in league come end of season 2) we will have scored more than conceded 3) we wil be top half of table this season thus GFZ fulfilled his commitment to long term project 4) Our top goal scorer has not even scored yet. If anyone wants to bet against me lets get it on!
Goldenboy1960 wrote:Yes you and the usual anti football brigade. Now turf moor beckons where your idol awaits. See ya
KeithMercer wrote:Your so wrong in every sense. But you will only see what you want to see. Well that's ok. All I can say is lets wait and see....
Goldenboy1960 wrote:I think it is supporters like YOU that hold this club back with your constant indifference and always banging on about the past !!.
No people like winning football which means defending properly and having a threat going forward. We all like to see good football played, but it has to hurt the oppposition by getting the ball in behind the opposition. That will win you games. If you quote Barcelona I will tell you that if we had world class players we could play like that but we haven't neither English or foreign players at that level. The Championship is a hard league and there are no gives like their are in leagues abroad. Everyone is tough as we all know. I can go with the players who have come in and are learning but the Manager should not tinker all the time. He needs to get a settled team playing attacking football with a stable back 4 that builds an understanding. Teams are exposing us down the side and creating lots of opportunities.
He has to get them fit, and if they can't get in the team then they have to improve to get into the team. That's the way football is.
If he gets a settled side then replace someone with an injury or suspension. Competition for places does the trick. He is a tinkerer, and doesn't know how to organise the side defensively or at set pieces which is so vital in any league. And some games you have to battle through an ugly game. That is football, and it is not show case football all the time as he played with 10 other top international players around him.
He has to learn and very quickly....
Have you got anything positive to say ? better still do you actually go to games ?.
After that drivel you just spouted I very much doubt you have seen this team other than at 11-30 on a saturday night.
Its our job to get behind the manager and the team and show some passion !! not be a spineless doomsayer like you !!. Jeez hope I never have the mis fortune to be near you at a game . oh I forgot, you dont go !!.
The evidence is there already. He says now we shouldn't be defending so deep. Who's responsibility is that then? I know a lot of people on here are starting to ask questions....
lutondown
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6:59pm Tue 30 Oct 12
Mangoputney wrote:Hey oh Geijo. Mango chutney we must go to the same church because we are inning from that same hymn sheet!
lutondown wrote:Now I'm prepared to put my money where my mouth is 1) we will be amongst top goal scorers in league come end of season 2) we will have scored more than conceded 3) we wil be top half of table this season thus GFZ fulfilled his commitment to long term project 4) Our top goal scorer has not even scored yet. If anyone wants to bet against me lets get it on!
Goldenboy1960 wrote:Yes you and the usual anti football brigade. Now turf moor beckons where your idol awaits. See ya
KeithMercer wrote:Your so wrong in every sense. But you will only see what you want to see. Well that's ok. All I can say is lets wait and see....
Goldenboy1960 wrote:I think it is supporters like YOU that hold this club back with your constant indifference and always banging on about the past !!.
No people like winning football which means defending properly and having a threat going forward. We all like to see good football played, but it has to hurt the oppposition by getting the ball in behind the opposition. That will win you games. If you quote Barcelona I will tell you that if we had world class players we could play like that but we haven't neither English or foreign players at that level. The Championship is a hard league and there are no gives like their are in leagues abroad. Everyone is tough as we all know. I can go with the players who have come in and are learning but the Manager should not tinker all the time. He needs to get a settled team playing attacking football with a stable back 4 that builds an understanding. Teams are exposing us down the side and creating lots of opportunities.
He has to get them fit, and if they can't get in the team then they have to improve to get into the team. That's the way football is.
If he gets a settled side then replace someone with an injury or suspension. Competition for places does the trick. He is a tinkerer, and doesn't know how to organise the side defensively or at set pieces which is so vital in any league. And some games you have to battle through an ugly game. That is football, and it is not show case football all the time as he played with 10 other top international players around him.
He has to learn and very quickly....
Have you got anything positive to say ? better still do you actually go to games ?.
After that drivel you just spouted I very much doubt you have seen this team other than at 11-30 on a saturday night.
Its our job to get behind the manager and the team and show some passion !! not be a spineless doomsayer like you !!. Jeez hope I never have the mis fortune to be near you at a game . oh I forgot, you dont go !!.
The evidence is there already. He says now we shouldn't be defending so deep. Who's responsibility is that then? I know a lot of people on here are starting to ask questions....
mooneysmagic says...
12:40pm Mon 29 Oct 12