Is a transfer embargo the reason for the lack of Watford signings despite seven new arrivals?
8:00am Friday 27th July 2012 in Latest Football News By Frank Smith
Ikechi Anya (left) and Steve Leo Beleck before Saturday's game with Wealdstone. Picture: Alan Palmer
The Football League and Watford have both refused to comment on whether the club’s lack of signings is due to a transfer embargo.
The Hornets have no less than seven new players, some of whom have been there more than two weeks, but there has been no confirmation on any signings.
Adrian Mariappa and Scott Loach both departed Watford last week but the club have yet to announce the arrival of any players.
Free agents Manuel Almunia and Fitz Hall and ‘trialists’ Daniel Pudil, Matej Vydra, Almen Abdi, Ikechi Anya and Steve Leo Beleck have all been training with the club and have travelled with the squad for games.
When asked why there has been such a long delay in announcing signings, Watford chief executive Scott Duxbury said: “There has been an extensive evaluation process ongoing since the start of pre-season involving a number of players – some of whom have featured in the friendly matches played so far.
“Official announcements and confirmations will be communicated via watfordfc.com, the club’s website, when it is appropriate to do so.”
The Watford Observer contacted the Football League and the Hornets on Wednesday to ask if the club were subject to a transfer embargo due to either the takeover or the Golden Boys’ HM Revenue & Customs bill. Both refused to confirm or deny.
Watford stated the club’s takeover has been fully ratified by the Football League but they refused to comment on whether they have paid their HMRC bill and how much the sum is.
The Hornets also refused to confirm if the Yellow and Red Lion Pub has changed hands following the club’s takeover, as former owner Laurence Bassini had stated he would be given the pub as part of the sale.
Granada left-back Pudil and Udinese midfielder Abdi have played in all three of Watford’s pre-season matches so far and Granada winger Anya and Udinese forward Leo Beleck both featured in the second half of Tuesday night’s win over Cork City.
Udinese striker Vydra has yet to play due to fitness issues, Hall went to the Wealdstone game on Saturday but did not make the squad and Almunia was an unused substitute in Ireland.
The Watford Observer have reported on the arrival of Pudil, Vydra, Abdi, Almunia and Hall in the last couple of weeks and on Saturday Anya and Beleck were spotted at a Hornets game for the first time.
Anya, 24, is a pacy winger who was born in Glasgow and started his professional career at Wycombe Wanderers, becoming the club’s youngest player in 2004 at the age of 16.
But he was released and after spending time at Oxford City and Halesowen Town, he joined the Glenn Hoddle Academy on the recommendation of John Gorman, who he worked with at Wycombe.
A brief stay at Northampton Town followed before a switch to Spain and Sevilla’s reserve side, and then Celta Vigo B.
He joined Granada last summer and was immediately loaned to Cadiz, who have links with the La Liga outfit.
Beleck is a strong 19-year-old forward who joined Udinese from Panthrakikos two years ago but has yet to make his debut for the Little Zebras and was loaned out to AEK Athens last season.
After a difficult start, he made 21 appearances and scored six times. Leo Beleck also featured in the Europa League six times.
The Watford Observer understands the Hornets are likely to add to the seven potential signings they have already lined up.
One of the players we expect the club to approach is former Watford forward Tommy Smith , who is currently at Premier League side Queens Park Rangers.
Smith started his career at Vicarage Road and after three years away at Sunderland and then Derby County, he returned to the club in 2006, where he remained for three years – winning the Player of the Season Trophy twice in consecutive years.
QPR team-mate DJ Campbell is also a player the Hornets are interested in.
Comments(187)
Lloydinio
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8:48am Fri 27 Jul 12
hornets66
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8:56am Fri 27 Jul 12
I posted this last week and was criticised for scare mongering and "living in a fantasy world"
It is my understanding that the takeover required FL approval and there were a number of conditions placed i believed to be (5).
Some of these for old owner to complete and some for the new, I believe majority of these are now completed which is why the outgoing players have left (this is why AM deal dragged its heels) and there are still some to overcome which inhibits us in formally placing new players under contract. This is only what i have heard but I believe this to be very reliable.
lutondown
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8:58am Fri 27 Jul 12
Saved in the nick of time so it seems
hornets66
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9:01am Fri 27 Jul 12
lutondown wrote:Yes that is what ive heard too and things were far worse than we were led to believe.
We Would have been Pompey under the last nut jobs. Saved in the nick of time so it seems
aefevans
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9:04am Fri 27 Jul 12
HornetJJ
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9:09am Fri 27 Jul 12
Toshhorn
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9:19am Fri 27 Jul 12
No goalkeeper or new players for the new season, how long will Zola put up with this???
Chris the Vic
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9:20am Fri 27 Jul 12
WFC4ever
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9:27am Fri 27 Jul 12
Chris the Vic wrote:That is what I thought...we need some sort of official statement from the club or FL...
Where late filing of accounts is concerned the Football League normally place an embargo on the offending club and lift it once accounts are filed. They also go public. Last club to do this was Wycombe Wanderers.
LE PARK
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9:28am Fri 27 Jul 12
Chris the Vic
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9:30am Fri 27 Jul 12
COGGDAVE1
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9:31am Fri 27 Jul 12
There seems to be things that are shrouded in secrecy, and I for one think we, the fans, should be put in the picture, as this uncertainty is not doing anyone any favors.
I do agree when LD says ...'We Would have been Pompey under the last nut jobs. Saved in the nick of time so it seems'
But its time to come clean .... lets go forward together....
Reginald Dwight
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9:31am Fri 27 Jul 12
Taxes unpaid to HMRC
Staff not paid
Suppliers not paid for up to six months which therefore includes pitch / Sound system / Screen
At least £10m into the Club through player sales and Saracens not to mention usual revenue streams.
Surely as the dust settles, if there are ANY issues that were created by the previous ownership then there should be a full investigation with appropriate legal action taken? Whilst we all laughed at the mad rambling statements of the previous owner it perhaps isn't funny......
I hope the Observer are wrong about the reasons for the lack of transfer activity but i fear not as it simply doesn't stack up that we have all these players involved and not one of them has been officially signed.
Lets be incredibly grateful for the new owners rather than showing any scepticism over lack of news.
Bringe
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9:32am Fri 27 Jul 12
Neither the FA nor FL have announced one one their websites. It is only a rumour started by a message-board troll.
We have players on trial and do not wish to register them until Zola is sure who stays and who goes. He can do this because there is absolutely no danger of another club poaching them.
Sorry to disappoint the scandalmongerers.
AngelHornet
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9:37am Fri 27 Jul 12
CreteJoe
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9:42am Fri 27 Jul 12
He said “As of the date of completion, the club is completely stable and has no financial problems because of the Pozzos.”
The way that is worded means that the Family have not created any financial problems for the club but does not exclude financial problems not created by the Family.
Perhaps there still are problems and D.D is trying to mislead us or perhaps the W.O. are just creating a story as they have nothing else to print.
londomollari
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9:48am Fri 27 Jul 12
Bringe
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9:48am Fri 27 Jul 12
And it's Scott Duxbury, show some respect.
Bringe
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9:52am Fri 27 Jul 12
Dr,Oftaw
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9:56am Fri 27 Jul 12
CreteJoe wrote:what are you on?
There are no problems Dodge Duxbury told us that on Friday 20th July 2012 He said “As of the date of completion, the club is completely stable and has no financial problems because of the Pozzos.” The way that is worded means that the Family have not created any financial problems for the club but does not exclude financial problems not created by the Family. Perhaps there still are problems and D.D is trying to mislead us or perhaps the W.O. are just creating a story as they have nothing else to print.
Bringe
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10:02am Fri 27 Jul 12
Ronny oh Ronny Ronny
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10:02am Fri 27 Jul 12
Bringe wrote:Last I heard Hall had signed for Forest??
Hall and Almunia have signed according to a reliable source at the club. That's all they are worried about although I imagine they might have asked for a delay in case better offers come in. Registering players is expensive.
People worry too much, it's fine.
Gash69
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10:06am Fri 27 Jul 12
We are at present completely in the dark over incoming transfers, accepting that GZ wants to completely run the rule over all the new lads surely after several friendly games we would have been prepared to put pen to paper on at least 1 of these players.
As angel says "time for a club statement" to nip this in the bud once & for all.
COGGDAVE1
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10:09am Fri 27 Jul 12
Gash69 wrote:Unfortunately ...Gash, you are spot on ..
Personally I think this is a good article, surely this is a perfect example of our local paper asking awkward questions of the club on behalf of its supporters.
We are at present completely in the dark over incoming transfers, accepting that GZ wants to completely run the rule over all the new lads surely after several friendly games we would have been prepared to put pen to paper on at least 1 of these players.
As angel says "time for a club statement" to nip this in the bud once & for all.
Bringe
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10:16am Fri 27 Jul 12
They'll announce when there's something to announce and when it suits them, they've even said as much.
And anyway it just adds to the excitement :D
BobT44
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10:17am Fri 27 Jul 12
luther blissett
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10:17am Fri 27 Jul 12
Bringe wrote:Sorry Scott
the W.O. are just creating a story because it sells newspapers. And it's Scott Duxbury, show some respect.
Dr,Oftaw
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10:18am Fri 27 Jul 12
lockerbiehornet
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10:23am Fri 27 Jul 12
lockerbiehornet
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10:23am Fri 27 Jul 12
Bringe
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10:24am Fri 27 Jul 12
BobT44 wrote:did affleck say we are looking at him? because I can't really see why, the Pozzo's have lots of forwards and wingers on their books already.
According to Kevin Affleck's, Smith's wages would make #watfordfc move prohibitive. On circa 20k @ #qpr. Wants to stay in south, tho. Turned dwn #lufc
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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10:27am Fri 27 Jul 12
The loanees are not a problem but there is clearly something preventing the announcement of MA and possibly FH. If there is a problem with Bas or the bondholders just say there are a coule of loose ends to tie up re the acquisition and we are confident it'll be sorted in a week, its not difficult.
Unlikely to have been an issue with HMRC or other financial surprises as these would have surfaced during due diligence. The Pozzos would have had a plan of how to deal with known issues from day 1.
Get it sorted chaps - we don't want to miss out on some real signings in addition to the loanees.
Bringe
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10:39am Fri 27 Jul 12
Letsalldothecongaforbrittassombalonga
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10:48am Fri 27 Jul 12
Bringe
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10:51am Fri 27 Jul 12
Quite frankly I think they expected to release or sell more players than they're going to but we have considerably more quality than they might've seen on display at the Vic.
jasonwatford
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11:02am Fri 27 Jul 12
SAHornet
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11:28am Fri 27 Jul 12
CreteJoe wrote:Are you in Crete? Should be in concrete!
There are no problems Dodge Duxbury told us that on Friday 20th July 2012
He said “As of the date of completion, the club is completely stable and has no financial problems because of the Pozzos.”
The way that is worded means that the Family have not created any financial problems for the club but does not exclude financial problems not created by the Family.
Perhaps there still are problems and D.D is trying to mislead us or perhaps the W.O. are just creating a story as they have nothing else to print.
SAHornet
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11:30am Fri 27 Jul 12
Gash69 wrote:Yep, can't disagree with that. It's what we've all been asking the WO to do for ages.
Personally I think this is a good article, surely this is a perfect example of our local paper asking awkward questions of the club on behalf of its supporters.
We are at present completely in the dark over incoming transfers, accepting that GZ wants to completely run the rule over all the new lads surely after several friendly games we would have been prepared to put pen to paper on at least 1 of these players.
As angel says "time for a club statement" to nip this in the bud once & for all.
Holly68
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11:32am Fri 27 Jul 12
jasonwatford wrote:Jason I've read your posts for months and you come across as a wind up merchant, this isn't helpful !
Things are not sweetness and light so ive heard from staff at watford. Pozzo have come in and seem to think we are Arsenal or Chelsea in terms of how they want the club to run and the money they expect to be created by sponsership and match day revenue. They dont see that we are little watford at present maybe one day we can attract and charge higher revenue but for now.....its like shopping at Tesco but want to charge Harrods prices. They think season ticket prices are ridiculas low and expect a hike next year. So we must be grateful they have come in to save us from going out of business but it seems from one extreme to the other. I just want my watford to play football so i can go and watch them is that too much to ask ???
londomollari
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11:39am Fri 27 Jul 12
No problem with 'running the rule' over players, but two weeks and not one confirmation?
I'm sure it will work out ok, tho'.
londomollari
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11:40am Fri 27 Jul 12
Dr,Oftaw wrote:Be fair to the guy! He's not penniless now!
whatever the reasons are we are in safe hands and it will be sorted, they are not bankrupt penniless name changing asset stripping greedy tax evading safe robbing chancers so don`t worry.
Holly68
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11:44am Fri 27 Jul 12
Boxhorn
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11:44am Fri 27 Jul 12
'Ah Fitz and Almunia, come into my office and sign here'
'yes Boss, no problem'
'thank you boys, you are now official Watford players. Now plees tell the press office on the way ouy'
Yes Boss. no problem'
I this how it works? Nah thought not...
londomollari
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11:51am Fri 27 Jul 12
Holly68 wrote:£2,500? What sort of flat is that? For £2,500 a month they can have my house---and I'll throw in the wife and car.
I have personally spoken to the loanee's and also Manuel on Tuesday night in Cork. They have all said they are SIGNED. I didn't manage to speak to Fitz but he was at Wealdstone and in his Watford Tracksuit. I have also spoken to Scott Duxbury on a couple of occasions, he wasn't in Cork as he said he couldn't go as had a HUGE AMOUNT OF STUFF TO SORT OUT AT THE CLUB. If these people were on ego trips they would be lapping up the PR and constantly in the press. Clearly the announcements can't be made just yet, it maybe due to a blend of a number of things, Zola wanting to give everyone a chance before announcing who stays and who goes with last years squad, the Tax bill (another great Bassini legacy) needing to be agreed and paid off, final details in the takeover inc taking over the Ashcroft bonds, so we have to trust and have patience, this is a long term strategy ! They got the fingers burnt at West Ham, I think they are being very cautious this time as they have learned the hard way. I would rather this was all sorted and in public domain, but patience and faith (George Michael songs). I can also tell you the Czech boys and Abdi are moving out of their hotel and have taken 12 month lease on flats (one of their girlfriends couldn't believe it costs £2500 a month to rent a flat near Watford compared to Czech and other places they have lived), so the players are committed and excited about the year ahead. Frank Smith has asked the club all the right questions, he is on the case !
Holly68
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12:03pm Fri 27 Jul 12
londomollari wrote:LMFAO !! it was € and €2500 for flat in Radlett and €2000 in North Watford. Both 2 beds, fully furnished
Holly68 wrote:£2,500? What sort of flat is that? For £2,500 a month they can have my house---and I'll throw in the wife and car.
I have personally spoken to the loanee's and also Manuel on Tuesday night in Cork. They have all said they are SIGNED. I didn't manage to speak to Fitz but he was at Wealdstone and in his Watford Tracksuit. I have also spoken to Scott Duxbury on a couple of occasions, he wasn't in Cork as he said he couldn't go as had a HUGE AMOUNT OF STUFF TO SORT OUT AT THE CLUB. If these people were on ego trips they would be lapping up the PR and constantly in the press. Clearly the announcements can't be made just yet, it maybe due to a blend of a number of things, Zola wanting to give everyone a chance before announcing who stays and who goes with last years squad, the Tax bill (another great Bassini legacy) needing to be agreed and paid off, final details in the takeover inc taking over the Ashcroft bonds, so we have to trust and have patience, this is a long term strategy ! They got the fingers burnt at West Ham, I think they are being very cautious this time as they have learned the hard way. I would rather this was all sorted and in public domain, but patience and faith (George Michael songs). I can also tell you the Czech boys and Abdi are moving out of their hotel and have taken 12 month lease on flats (one of their girlfriends couldn't believe it costs £2500 a month to rent a flat near Watford compared to Czech and other places they have lived), so the players are committed and excited about the year ahead. Frank Smith has asked the club all the right questions, he is on the case !
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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12:04pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Holly68 wrote:"....patience and faith (George Michael songs). "
I have personally spoken to the loanee's and also Manuel on Tuesday night in Cork. They have all said they are SIGNED. I didn't manage to speak to Fitz but he was at Wealdstone and in his Watford Tracksuit. I have also spoken to Scott Duxbury on a couple of occasions, he wasn't in Cork as he said he couldn't go as had a HUGE AMOUNT OF STUFF TO SORT OUT AT THE CLUB. If these people were on ego trips they would be lapping up the PR and constantly in the press. Clearly the announcements can't be made just yet, it maybe due to a blend of a number of things, Zola wanting to give everyone a chance before announcing who stays and who goes with last years squad, the Tax bill (another great Bassini legacy) needing to be agreed and paid off, final details in the takeover inc taking over the Ashcroft bonds, so we have to trust and have patience, this is a long term strategy ! They got the fingers burnt at West Ham, I think they are being very cautious this time as they have learned the hard way. I would rather this was all sorted and in public domain, but patience and faith (George Michael songs). I can also tell you the Czech boys and Abdi are moving out of their hotel and have taken 12 month lease on flats (one of their girlfriends couldn't believe it costs £2500 a month to rent a flat near Watford compared to Czech and other places they have lived), so the players are committed and excited about the year ahead. Frank Smith has asked the club all the right questions, he is on the case !
yes but ole Georgie also sang "i knew you were waiting" , "praying for time" and "hand to mouth" !!
Holly68
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12:05pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Holly68
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12:07pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:Very good LOL
Holly68 wrote:"....patience and faith (George Michael songs). "
I have personally spoken to the loanee's and also Manuel on Tuesday night in Cork. They have all said they are SIGNED. I didn't manage to speak to Fitz but he was at Wealdstone and in his Watford Tracksuit. I have also spoken to Scott Duxbury on a couple of occasions, he wasn't in Cork as he said he couldn't go as had a HUGE AMOUNT OF STUFF TO SORT OUT AT THE CLUB. If these people were on ego trips they would be lapping up the PR and constantly in the press. Clearly the announcements can't be made just yet, it maybe due to a blend of a number of things, Zola wanting to give everyone a chance before announcing who stays and who goes with last years squad, the Tax bill (another great Bassini legacy) needing to be agreed and paid off, final details in the takeover inc taking over the Ashcroft bonds, so we have to trust and have patience, this is a long term strategy ! They got the fingers burnt at West Ham, I think they are being very cautious this time as they have learned the hard way. I would rather this was all sorted and in public domain, but patience and faith (George Michael songs). I can also tell you the Czech boys and Abdi are moving out of their hotel and have taken 12 month lease on flats (one of their girlfriends couldn't believe it costs £2500 a month to rent a flat near Watford compared to Czech and other places they have lived), so the players are committed and excited about the year ahead. Frank Smith has asked the club all the right questions, he is on the case !
yes but ole Georgie also sang "i knew you were waiting" , "praying for time" and "hand to mouth" !!
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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12:09pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Holly68 wrote:odd that almunia was an unused sub tho', and no sign of Hall ??
To finish, why would the club kit them out, take them to Ireland and let them be seen in Public, I think thats as much evidence they have signed as they can give right now :-)
jasonwatford
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12:09pm Fri 27 Jul 12
watford9140
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12:11pm Fri 27 Jul 12
jasonwatford wrote:agree. i just want to watch my team iv loved since i was a little kid!
Things are not sweetness and light so ive heard from staff at watford. Pozzo have come in and seem to think we are Arsenal or Chelsea in terms of how they want the club to run and the money they expect to be created by sponsership and match day revenue. They dont see that we are little watford at present maybe one day we can attract and charge higher revenue but for now.....its like shopping at Tesco but want to charge Harrods prices. They think season ticket prices are ridiculas low and expect a hike next year. So we must be grateful they have come in to save us from going out of business but it seems from one extreme to the other. I just want my watford to play football so i can go and watch them is that too much to ask ???
londomollari
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12:11pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Holly68 wrote:2 beds? Fully furnished, £2,000 plus? God, I'm rich beyond my belief! I'll just 'phone the wife and make her an offer she can't refuse---how much more for a resident cook-housekeeper?
londomollari wrote:LMFAO !! it was € and €2500 for flat in Radlett and €2000 in North Watford. Both 2 beds, fully furnished
Holly68 wrote:£2,500? What sort of flat is that? For £2,500 a month they can have my house---and I'll throw in the wife and car.
I have personally spoken to the loanee's and also Manuel on Tuesday night in Cork. They have all said they are SIGNED. I didn't manage to speak to Fitz but he was at Wealdstone and in his Watford Tracksuit. I have also spoken to Scott Duxbury on a couple of occasions, he wasn't in Cork as he said he couldn't go as had a HUGE AMOUNT OF STUFF TO SORT OUT AT THE CLUB. If these people were on ego trips they would be lapping up the PR and constantly in the press. Clearly the announcements can't be made just yet, it maybe due to a blend of a number of things, Zola wanting to give everyone a chance before announcing who stays and who goes with last years squad, the Tax bill (another great Bassini legacy) needing to be agreed and paid off, final details in the takeover inc taking over the Ashcroft bonds, so we have to trust and have patience, this is a long term strategy ! They got the fingers burnt at West Ham, I think they are being very cautious this time as they have learned the hard way. I would rather this was all sorted and in public domain, but patience and faith (George Michael songs). I can also tell you the Czech boys and Abdi are moving out of their hotel and have taken 12 month lease on flats (one of their girlfriends couldn't believe it costs £2500 a month to rent a flat near Watford compared to Czech and other places they have lived), so the players are committed and excited about the year ahead. Frank Smith has asked the club all the right questions, he is on the case !
Bringe
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12:12pm Fri 27 Jul 12
It's a Mythtery :D
londomollari
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12:15pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Isn't it nice to be able to say 'sister clubs'! How things have changed in just several weeks.
Hornet73
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12:18pm Fri 27 Jul 12
lutondown
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12:37pm Fri 27 Jul 12
londomollari wrote:I'll better that they can have my two overgrown sons!
Holly68 wrote:£2,500? What sort of flat is that? For £2,500 a month they can have my house---and I'll throw in the wife and car.
I have personally spoken to the loanee's and also Manuel on Tuesday night in Cork. They have all said they are SIGNED. I didn't manage to speak to Fitz but he was at Wealdstone and in his Watford Tracksuit. I have also spoken to Scott Duxbury on a couple of occasions, he wasn't in Cork as he said he couldn't go as had a HUGE AMOUNT OF STUFF TO SORT OUT AT THE CLUB. If these people were on ego trips they would be lapping up the PR and constantly in the press. Clearly the announcements can't be made just yet, it maybe due to a blend of a number of things, Zola wanting to give everyone a chance before announcing who stays and who goes with last years squad, the Tax bill (another great Bassini legacy) needing to be agreed and paid off, final details in the takeover inc taking over the Ashcroft bonds, so we have to trust and have patience, this is a long term strategy ! They got the fingers burnt at West Ham, I think they are being very cautious this time as they have learned the hard way. I would rather this was all sorted and in public domain, but patience and faith (George Michael songs). I can also tell you the Czech boys and Abdi are moving out of their hotel and have taken 12 month lease on flats (one of their girlfriends couldn't believe it costs £2500 a month to rent a flat near Watford compared to Czech and other places they have lived), so the players are committed and excited about the year ahead. Frank Smith has asked the club all the right questions, he is on the case !
lutondown
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12:42pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Hornet73 wrote:Have you not been watching the news and what happened with Rangers ST money?
I find it difficult to comprehend that there was a mountain of debt when the takeover took place as the club had already received the season ticket proceeds for next season.
Can't believe that some people were prepared to believe all the lies of the last regime yet disbelieve the reported facts. Those being, the players are being evaluated. They'd be daft to lie about that publicly and note they said any announcements would come via Club.
By the way where is ilovbas ? I really want to rub his filthy nose in it. (it being his soiled pantyhose of course)
Bush Hornet
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12:53pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Different (SW) Corner
and WHAM!BAM! a new stand
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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12:54pm Fri 27 Jul 12
lutondown wrote:OK, for the loanees that's fine - but how are we evaluating Almunia by not playing him vs Cork? To take him and then not play him makes no sense ? .... and what's happened to Hall ?? Gone away, but he told supporters he'd signed at Wealdsone ?
Hornet73 wrote:Have you not been watching the news and what happened with Rangers ST money?
I find it difficult to comprehend that there was a mountain of debt when the takeover took place as the club had already received the season ticket proceeds for next season.
Can't believe that some people were prepared to believe all the lies of the last regime yet disbelieve the reported facts. Those being, the players are being evaluated. They'd be daft to lie about that publicly and note they said any announcements would come via Club.
By the way where is ilovbas ? I really want to rub his filthy nose in it. (it being his soiled pantyhose of course)
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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12:55pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Bush Hornet wrote:Now you're just taking the Michael !
a lot of Careless Whispers here...so long as one day we have a
Different (SW) Corner
and WHAM!BAM! a new stand
bushey tales
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1:07pm Fri 27 Jul 12
luther blissett
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1:09pm Fri 27 Jul 12
However, it does make me laugh that the people who were constantly having a go at Bas throughout his tenure without any real proof, claiming we should be allowed to ask awkward questions, are now the people who are telling people to trust the owner and not to ask awkward questions.
#justsaying
The Jamie Hand Stand
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1:18pm Fri 27 Jul 12
ok.com/node/676
The Jamie Hand Stand
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1:19pm Fri 27 Jul 12
The Jamie Hand Stand wrote:For some reason my link didnt work, howver if you google his name it is the second article
Sorry to come off the subject but I have just put Scott Duxberry's name in to google and found this www.punchinthefacebo ok.com/node/676
jasonwatford
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1:23pm Fri 27 Jul 12
HemelWFC
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1:29pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Bringe
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1:35pm Fri 27 Jul 12
bushey tales wrote:West Ham finished 9th in the premiership under Zola, how is that entirely unproven? And do you really think Duxbury can invent money? ...
I love all this, 'Don't panic, we're in safe hands.....' stuff. On the contrary, we're in the hands of some foreign people we've never seen and who've chosen not to speak to us. So far they've installed a charismatic but entirely unproven manager, together with a CEO who brings a truly dismal track record. It may work out OK or it may not, but don't kid yourselves that everything's fine. Remember, the only man we all trust has already chosen to walk away. In fact thus far I'd suggest an uncanny similarity, in both performance and expectation, between the early days of Zola and those of Vialli. Those 64 points look a long way off, while the 4/1 available about our being relegated appears more realistic and maybe even better value than the 8/1 for promotion.
Your just as big a fool as the hammers fans!
And no I see absolutely no similarity between now and Vialli's reign except his nationality.
Idiot!
jasonwatford
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1:39pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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1:40pm Fri 27 Jul 12
HemelWFC wrote:completely plausible other than the fact that;
Watford owe £1.8million to HMRC, which Bas did not pay prior to leaving. The FA/FL have put an embargo in place until paid, which will be soon. THe Pozzos are to pay the bill so the club can move forward, and the Pozzos are to take Bas to the Courts to recoup the money back that he should of paid.....Allegedly
1/ the embargo would have been announced,
2/ the tax liability would have been scrutinised by the Pozzos due diligence work before purchase so no surprise, and
3/ the pozzos would have no option but to pay it (its a company liability and they now own the company), seek reimbursement from Bas through the Sale & purchase agreement mechanism (possibly court action if needed), and get on with the job of running the club.
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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1:43pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:NB point 3 - only seek reimbursement through S&P warranties if liability was understated in the accounts and missed by the due diligence work
HemelWFC wrote:completely plausible other than the fact that;
Watford owe £1.8million to HMRC, which Bas did not pay prior to leaving. The FA/FL have put an embargo in place until paid, which will be soon. THe Pozzos are to pay the bill so the club can move forward, and the Pozzos are to take Bas to the Courts to recoup the money back that he should of paid.....Allegedly
1/ the embargo would have been announced,
2/ the tax liability would have been scrutinised by the Pozzos due diligence work before purchase so no surprise, and
3/ the pozzos would have no option but to pay it (its a company liability and they now own the company), seek reimbursement from Bas through the Sale & purchase agreement mechanism (possibly court action if needed), and get on with the job of running the club.
Holly68
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2:15pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Holly68
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2:16pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Dr,Oftaw
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2:16pm Fri 27 Jul 12
luther blissett wrote:baz is a proven failed business man who`s motives were questionable, the pozzo`s have a proven track record of success and have stated their motives
Now I am not worried that this will all get sorted out and am extrememly happy with the Pozzos. I am also very glad to be rid of Bas. However, it does make me laugh that the people who were constantly having a go at Bas throughout his tenure without any real proof, claiming we should be allowed to ask awkward questions, are now the people who are telling people to trust the owner and not to ask awkward questions. #justsaying
Hampshire hornet
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2:19pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Dr,Oftaw wrote:you are so wrong - -it was "His" safe .. so he can't rob from himself....
whatever the reasons are we are in safe hands and it will be sorted, they are not bankrupt penniless name changing asset stripping greedy tax evading safe robbing chancers so don`t worry.
Or could he?!
Chris the Vic
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2:19pm Fri 27 Jul 12
As for HMRC underdeclaration, we are talking VAT and PAYE(incl NI) This is hardly something that would be missed under Due Diligence. FA/FL unlikely to enter that sort of dispute unless legal action had taken place with the threat of winding up. If this had happened the Papers would have been full of it. The only time FL and FA would be involved might be football debt related but publicity would follow.
Based on what we know press announcements do not flow freely from new owners maybe player announcements are victims of that.
Too much speculation most of which is rubbish.Wait and See but hold back on the trust until later.
Hampshire hornet
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2:21pm Fri 27 Jul 12
londomollari wrote:they can have my kids and the cat as well as the missus...
Holly68 wrote: I have personally spoken to the loanee's and also Manuel on Tuesday night in Cork. They have all said they are SIGNED. I didn't manage to speak to Fitz but he was at Wealdstone and in his Watford Tracksuit. I have also spoken to Scott Duxbury on a couple of occasions, he wasn't in Cork as he said he couldn't go as had a HUGE AMOUNT OF STUFF TO SORT OUT AT THE CLUB. If these people were on ego trips they would be lapping up the PR and constantly in the press. Clearly the announcements can't be made just yet, it maybe due to a blend of a number of things, Zola wanting to give everyone a chance before announcing who stays and who goes with last years squad, the Tax bill (another great Bassini legacy) needing to be agreed and paid off, final details in the takeover inc taking over the Ashcroft bonds, so we have to trust and have patience, this is a long term strategy ! They got the fingers burnt at West Ham, I think they are being very cautious this time as they have learned the hard way. I would rather this was all sorted and in public domain, but patience and faith (George Michael songs). I can also tell you the Czech boys and Abdi are moving out of their hotel and have taken 12 month lease on flats (one of their girlfriends couldn't believe it costs £2500 a month to rent a flat near Watford compared to Czech and other places they have lived), so the players are committed and excited about the year ahead. Frank Smith has asked the club all the right questions, he is on the case !£2,500? What sort of flat is that? For £2,500 a month they can have my house---and I'll throw in the wife and car.
Reginald Dwight
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2:28pm Fri 27 Jul 12
According to comments on another forum Neil and Josh Price have washed their hands of Bassini.
It would seem that Bassini is incapable of doing anything right and one can only assume there is ulterior motives in all his 'transactions'.
Bassini referred to leasing the pub to Watford people (Price's?) at a hugely discounted rate. That was obviously the ploy to get WFC fans to still use it.
Who is going to run it now? The Polish builder that Bassini said cost over £500k of his own money to do it up!?
If the Club confirm that Bassini is indeed the owner then it should be boycotted to ensure he leaves town for good
lutondown
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2:32pm Fri 27 Jul 12
luther blissett wrote:Nice hash tag there Loafer! I think we all went on Bas's past dealings, his no Shows etc
Now I am not worried that this will all get sorted out and am extrememly happy with the Pozzos. I am also very glad to be rid of Bas.
However, it does make me laugh that the people who were constantly having a go at Bas throughout his tenure without any real proof, claiming we should be allowed to ask awkward questions, are now the people who are telling people to trust the owner and not to ask awkward questions.
#justsaying
Still a nice way to make a quick few million
Do like the sly digs Loof, keep em coming son!
southernhornet
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2:42pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Almunia has not passed a medical yet.
Hall signed but is not fit although has passed a medical.
Dino1982
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2:44pm Fri 27 Jul 12
luther blissett
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2:58pm Fri 27 Jul 12
lutondown wrote:Cheers scumdown, I aim to please
luther blissett wrote: Now I am not worried that this will all get sorted out and am extrememly happy with the Pozzos. I am also very glad to be rid of Bas. However, it does make me laugh that the people who were constantly having a go at Bas throughout his tenure without any real proof, claiming we should be allowed to ask awkward questions, are now the people who are telling people to trust the owner and not to ask awkward questions. #justsayingNice hash tag there Loafer! I think we all went on Bas's past dealings, his no Shows etc Still a nice way to make a quick few million Do like the sly digs Loof, keep em coming son!
AngelHornet
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3:27pm Fri 27 Jul 12
southernhornet wrote:Where did you get your info from?
Apparently under transfer embargo and the Pozzo people have not been cleared as fit and proper persons as yet by the football league. They have apparently been asked for some additional info which would be sorted out over the weekend. Not expected to remain as a problem.
Almunia has not passed a medical yet.
Hall signed but is not fit although has passed a medical.
palmeris60
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3:35pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Bringe
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3:37pm Fri 27 Jul 12
AngelHornet wrote:striker
southernhornet wrote:Where did you get your info from?
Apparently under transfer embargo and the Pozzo people have not been cleared as fit and proper persons as yet by the football league. They have apparently been asked for some additional info which would be sorted out over the weekend. Not expected to remain as a problem.
Almunia has not passed a medical yet.
Hall signed but is not fit although has passed a medical.
MAshby1001
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3:42pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Nothing could ever be straight forward with Watford could it? Especially with that crook Bassini involved.
jasonwatford
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3:50pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Rookery Veteren
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3:55pm Fri 27 Jul 12
I would agree wages may be the stumbling block there but the signing of yet another forward at Loftus Road-Junior Hoillet-will surely squeeze Smithy out. He would do a great job for us and he remains a Hertfordshire lad who loves the club...nice bloke too,not that that seems to count for much these days.
Rookery Veteren
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3:55pm Fri 27 Jul 12
I would agree wages may be the stumbling block there but the signing of yet another forward at Loftus Road-Junior Hoillet-will surely squeeze Smithy out. He would do a great job for us and he remains a Hertfordshire lad who loves the club...nice bloke too,not that that seems to count for much these days.
ElGingerino
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4:21pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Bringe wrote:To be honest Bringe I wish I could share your outlook but I have no faith what so ever and tend to agree with Bushey.
bushey tales wrote:West Ham finished 9th in the premiership under Zola, how is that entirely unproven? And do you really think Duxbury can invent money? ...
I love all this, 'Don't panic, we're in safe hands.....' stuff. On the contrary, we're in the hands of some foreign people we've never seen and who've chosen not to speak to us. So far they've installed a charismatic but entirely unproven manager, together with a CEO who brings a truly dismal track record. It may work out OK or it may not, but don't kid yourselves that everything's fine. Remember, the only man we all trust has already chosen to walk away. In fact thus far I'd suggest an uncanny similarity, in both performance and expectation, between the early days of Zola and those of Vialli. Those 64 points look a long way off, while the 4/1 available about our being relegated appears more realistic and maybe even better value than the 8/1 for promotion.
Your just as big a fool as the hammers fans!
And no I see absolutely no similarity between now and Vialli's reign except his nationality.
Idiot!
This really is a bad start, replacing a manager with a figure head, the silent treatment, the blind implimentation of a project that on the face of it doesn't translate to English football.
I'm not filled with confidence at all.
SAHornet
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4:51pm Fri 27 Jul 12
johnnyc72
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5:02pm Fri 27 Jul 12
COGGDAVE1
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5:37pm Fri 27 Jul 12
johnnyc72 wrote:I think everyone is calm 'Johnnyc' ...but lets see..only been here a month as you said, but already sold our best player and our 'keeper ...even if he was not well thought of.
I think everyone needs to calm down. It has been less than a month since the takeover and the ink is still wet on the papers. There has been so much to sort out. The Pozzos are here for the long-term and given their track record with Udinese and Granada, I think we should show them some respect, welcome them to Watford and be united in the way forward. No matter how little communication there has been, we are in much better hands now than we were.
Sacked the Manager who did amazing last season, and most of his staff.
Lots of rumors who is coming...but no facts ....
Even WO getting tired of the silence and started to have doubts ..hence this article ..
Better hands than we were before ??? well that wouldn't be difficult would it ....
lutondown
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6:05pm Fri 27 Jul 12
SAHornet wrote:Yes it was pee poor, hoof and hope, we never won a pre season game and lost several
Can't quite remember SD's record of results during the pre-season friendlies last year, but have a strong feeling they were not quite as good as GZ's so far. Anyone remember where we were at this time last year?
But they were golden times!!!
Lol
Dr,Oftaw
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6:35pm Fri 27 Jul 12
COGGDAVE1 wrote:think you have 1 cog missing dave
johnnyc72 wrote: I think everyone needs to calm down. It has been less than a month since the takeover and the ink is still wet on the papers. There has been so much to sort out. The Pozzos are here for the long-term and given their track record with Udinese and Granada, I think we should show them some respect, welcome them to Watford and be united in the way forward. No matter how little communication there has been, we are in much better hands now than we were.I think everyone is calm 'Johnnyc' ...but lets see..only been here a month as you said, but already sold our best player and our 'keeper ...even if he was not well thought of. Sacked the Manager who did amazing last season, and most of his staff. Lots of rumors who is coming...but no facts .... Even WO getting tired of the silence and started to have doubts ..hence this article .. Better hands than we were before ??? well that wouldn't be difficult would it ....
Mangoputney
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6:43pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Whatever it is must be very sensitive nature so no one can comment at all at present but the Pozzos will once they are able to do so- I bet they are itching to do so- lets remember that they are footballing people who will understand the importance of over communicating - that time will come (eventually)
I like reading posts on here but seldom post myself unless I feel compelled to do so and this is one of those moments - you can tell me to bore off but here are my thoughts / beliefs ......
So it might just be that Baz has been hiding things from everyone - am I shocked? NO. - it would not be the first time a venture of his went wayward now would it? FACT
I am sure that the Pozzos are not whiter than white by any stretch but we know they are footballing people with a proven track record of running succesful sides? So Baz or the Pozzos? No brainer and stupid question.
Would due diligence have highlighted areas where someone may have been trying to hide something? YES and that is why I am even more grateful to the Pozzos than they could even begin to imagine.
Do I believe that during their time the Pozzos will be prepared to give us an East Stand which so many others have failed to deliver upon so we the supporters can watch football in a ground to be proud of and which we are no longer embarrased by? YES I do (but please NO cinema style heated seats or glossy brochures sent out in there thousands)
Do I believe that the Pozzos will follow through their vision of flowing football with an aim of getting to the Premier league? YES I do not envisage any more Chris Iwelumo signings on the horizon!
Do I believe that the Pozzos will buy a pub for their own self gain. NO!
Do I believe that the sacking of SD was harsh? YES I do but given these circumstances I think they are entitled to do what they wish to do!
Do I believe that SD would have been off in a flash had a vacancy come up at a bigger club? YES seen it so many times before here and with the exception of LD and a few others very little loyalty in fickle football...btw Zola probably manager of Udinesse depending upon success at WFC - probably YES!
Do I believe that Baz would have been able to assist in producing the calibre of signings (fingers crossed!) which the Pozzos have already delivered upon? NO
From the above posts I noted a comment about season prices going up next season - would I be prepared to pay a bit more for free flowing football where we were pushing to get out of this division or where already actually in the Premiership? YES
Re comment about inflated prices putting off future support - have you seen evidence of Udinesse or Grenada attendances falling since their tenure commenced?
Also a comment about the Pozzos neglecting local business sponsorship in an attempt to gain Nationwide or Global branding sponsorship. Do I believe that Baz could dream of such a vision? NO!
Of course local sponsorship is an important part of any football club but IF we are to become a successful team then in this modern era of football then that is exactly what is required. This is something that previous owners have in the main not been able to do or even attempted to do so in no way is this a negative. I will happy clap them if they can deliver!
Enough of my ramblings - I am going to happy clap myself to sleep now and bore off!
Now where's my pyjamas?!
COYH
mkhornet
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6:44pm Fri 27 Jul 12
EstebanSemtex
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7:25pm Fri 27 Jul 12
One of the clearest, most level headed summations of the current situation I've read this week. I too believe that Basini has left a nasty surprise somewhere that the Pozzo's are trying to clear up on the QT.
The Pozzos are a footballing family. They understand how to run a football club. Reading about how Udinese and Granada operate I feel confident that we are heading for a very positive and exciting few years at the Vic.
However, they are businessmen and they know their stuff. You do NOT damage your brand by dragging skeletons out of closets. Watford, as their new 'product', is going to take a while to set right after the previous adminstration.
Patience is a virtue that most Watford fans should have in abundance! A little faith is required. I'm sure GZ and the boys will repay you next season.
COGGDAVE1
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7:30pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Dr,Oftaw wrote:What an intelligent response ... added so much to the debate we are having ..thank you 'Dr' ... any more little gems ??
COGGDAVE1 wrote:think you have 1 cog missing dave
johnnyc72 wrote: I think everyone needs to calm down. It has been less than a month since the takeover and the ink is still wet on the papers. There has been so much to sort out. The Pozzos are here for the long-term and given their track record with Udinese and Granada, I think we should show them some respect, welcome them to Watford and be united in the way forward. No matter how little communication there has been, we are in much better hands now than we were.I think everyone is calm 'Johnnyc' ...but lets see..only been here a month as you said, but already sold our best player and our 'keeper ...even if he was not well thought of. Sacked the Manager who did amazing last season, and most of his staff. Lots of rumors who is coming...but no facts .... Even WO getting tired of the silence and started to have doubts ..hence this article .. Better hands than we were before ??? well that wouldn't be difficult would it ....
Bringe
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7:41pm Fri 27 Jul 12
The first step will be to fill the empty seats in the ground they won't do that with price hikes but they will with attractive winning football.
It might need a promotion but once demand is great enough then the capacity will be increased and again prices will remain competitive.
Even then the club aren't likely to out-price our fans, at Udinese when they could no longer cope they built a whole new stadium and they would surely do the same here.
Once that is overflowing we may be looking at price hikes, Chelsea fashion but until then it would be pointless.
Dr,Oftaw
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8:37pm Fri 27 Jul 12
COGGDAVE1 wrote:debate? you offered no debate all i see was your bitter sniping again. the pozzo`s have saved our club but you don`t seem happy and keep on running them down, why is that? really how can anybody not see them as a massive step forward
Dr,Oftaw wrote:What an intelligent response ... added so much to the debate we are having ..thank you 'Dr' ... any more little gems ??COGGDAVE1 wrote:think you have 1 cog missing davejohnnyc72 wrote: I think everyone needs to calm down. It has been less than a month since the takeover and the ink is still wet on the papers. There has been so much to sort out. The Pozzos are here for the long-term and given their track record with Udinese and Granada, I think we should show them some respect, welcome them to Watford and be united in the way forward. No matter how little communication there has been, we are in much better hands now than we were.I think everyone is calm 'Johnnyc' ...but lets see..only been here a month as you said, but already sold our best player and our 'keeper ...even if he was not well thought of. Sacked the Manager who did amazing last season, and most of his staff. Lots of rumors who is coming...but no facts .... Even WO getting tired of the silence and started to have doubts ..hence this article .. Better hands than we were before ??? well that wouldn't be difficult would it ....
jasonwatford
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9:30pm Fri 27 Jul 12
gilesy97
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11:15pm Fri 27 Jul 12
jasonwatford wrote:Can confirm all hospitality has gone up. My guess is had this takeover happened in March season tickets would have gone too. The Legends Lounge has gone up 10%
ok try this..try to book legends lounge and ask difference in price from before they took over to price quoted....only telling you what i know. Its not a negative towards them they think we are too cheap and maybe we are but not at the moment.
Bringe
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11:32pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Let them set their stall out, they'll soon know if the 10% keeps people away.
You cannot overlook the fact that the club has been running at a loss.
Bringe
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11:55pm Fri 27 Jul 12
There was only one Scully
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11:59pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Lets face facts, we have no definite signings, no indications of what they have to offer and despite what happened before austerity measures and caution and along with blaming what went before is not the answer. You only have to look at the mess the country is in at the moment to see why this type of approach is not acting in our best interests.
Not convinced by what I have seen or heard so far!
bushey tales
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12:14am Sat 28 Jul 12
Holly68
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1:57am Sat 28 Jul 12
lutondown
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6:42am Sat 28 Jul 12
There was only one Scully wrote:Ah the Scotty dog bares his little teeth.
There is to much happy clapping and optimism for our new owners and I for one sense that we are seeing the beginning of the end of our club.
Lets face facts, we have no definite signings, no indications of what they have to offer and despite what happened before austerity measures and caution and along with blaming what went before is not the answer. You only have to look at the mess the country is in at the moment to see why this type of approach is not acting in our best interests.
Not convinced by what I have seen or heard so far!
So Bas has left the club up the Swanny and somehow it's the new owners fault and not the saviour??!
Utter madness in everything you say. Showing nothing to offer, hello, Udinese and Grenada...
Showing caution over new signings is a good thing. Oh and the country is in a mess because the dim electorate kept voting for that oh so nice Tony Blair and his clueless chancellor. Then we had Gordon Brown, enough said only to jump out of the fat into the fire with that Old Etonian twit. Maybe, just maybe it's because we are are scared to take a radical change that we are stuffed, something thankfully our football club are not afraid of doing so.
Oh and Bas is to blame, how can he not be?
SAHornet
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9:13am Sat 28 Jul 12
There was only one Scully wrote:Scully and your numpty mate Bushey a*se, why don't you wake up and smell the coffee. Sounds to me that we are mostly from the same era, yet how can you be so negative? Coming off the back of, undoubtedly, the worst and most inept owner this club has ever had, you use the fact that, in your opinion, our new owners lack of communication to the fans and the media, is "the beginning of the end for our club". OMG !
There is to much happy clapping and optimism for our new owners and I for one sense that we are seeing the beginning of the end of our club.
Lets face facts, we have no definite signings, no indications of what they have to offer and despite what happened before austerity measures and caution and along with blaming what went before is not the answer. You only have to look at the mess the country is in at the moment to see why this type of approach is not acting in our best interests.
Not convinced by what I have seen or heard so far!
This family has owned Udinese for nearly 30 years. Do you really think that they don't know what they are doing? They have brought to your club one of the most respected former players that has ever graced the English Premiership to be our manager and you say that "this is the beginning of the end of our club".
You and your narrow minded mate know absolutely nothing about what difficulties have been left in the wake of Bankrupt Bas so why don't you wait and see for a few weeks instead of spreading your gloom and despondency as far and as thickly as you can?
'nuff said!
lutondown
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9:35am Sat 28 Jul 12
SAHornet wrote:Good post as usual SAH. I think being the astute businessmen they are they knew what they were undertaking, and if there was something hidden from them, their teams of accountants and Lawyers ( add Lord A's crew to the mix) Bas would go down as mastermind of the century, which of course he isn't.
There was only one Scully wrote:Scully and your numpty mate Bushey a*se, why don't you wake up and smell the coffee. Sounds to me that we are mostly from the same era, yet how can you be so negative? Coming off the back of, undoubtedly, the worst and most inept owner this club has ever had, you use the fact that, in your opinion, our new owners lack of communication to the fans and the media, is "the beginning of the end for our club". OMG !
There is to much happy clapping and optimism for our new owners and I for one sense that we are seeing the beginning of the end of our club.
Lets face facts, we have no definite signings, no indications of what they have to offer and despite what happened before austerity measures and caution and along with blaming what went before is not the answer. You only have to look at the mess the country is in at the moment to see why this type of approach is not acting in our best interests.
Not convinced by what I have seen or heard so far!
This family has owned Udinese for nearly 30 years. Do you really think that they don't know what they are doing? They have brought to your club one of the most respected former players that has ever graced the English Premiership to be our manager and you say that "this is the beginning of the end of our club".
You and your narrow minded mate know absolutely nothing about what difficulties have been left in the wake of Bankrupt Bas so why don't you wait and see for a few weeks instead of spreading your gloom and despondency as far and as thickly as you can?
'nuff said!
Duxburry said himself in a statement a few weeks ago that the clubs finances were in bad shape, they obviously need time to sort out the fiscal matters. What is going on is people scaremongering, and the same people who backed a pot less wannabe.
A bit of humility from those who saw everything great in Bas, like a good few people did on Dyche. I don't hold my breath for the sanctimonious are never wrong, in their ga ga worlds.
Back to the decorating....
D.unstable
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10:31am Sat 28 Jul 12
Heard it here first from the big D
ElGingerino
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11:04am Sat 28 Jul 12
Hampshire hornet
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11:05am Sat 28 Jul 12
#gettingboredwaiting
forit
lutondown
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11:28am Sat 28 Jul 12
ElGingerino wrote:Ah a fellow red head in disguise, get over it Ginge, Dyches Smoke. The prem is still the promised land of untold riches, and besides if being an affiliate gets us what Grenada got, I'm a happy baldy
I also think people are seeing us as an equal to Udinese, we aren't, this is a footballing pyramid scheme, we are foothold in the UK for them, another way of improving the club they have owned for 30 years, its in their interest to make us more financially stable, but I don't think anyone should be under the illusion that we are in any way equal, we are what is called in American sports, and affiliate team, they will keep a core of players that are under contract to Watford, the rest will be just here to get experience/game time.
Vespa Crabro
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11:31am Sat 28 Jul 12
Hampshire hornet wrote:Your "season card" just gets updated on the system, doesn't it?
Has anyone received their Season ticket yet? #gettingboredwaiting forit
londomollari
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11:38am Sat 28 Jul 12
The Pozzos will certainly give the club stability and financial security, and it is in their own financial interests to see the club successful. Yes, the team will run on loan players--but isn't that's whats happening to the game in this country, anyway? My own doubts are Duxbury/nani fuelled. If I'm wrong---I'll be happy. If I'm right, the Pozzos will sort it out. If you want to be negative, at least give it a few months! I've watched Watford since '62, and I have not been as optimistic since EJ took over.
As for Baz, well, he did one good thing. He was there to stop administration. Subsequently, as said previously, he is the worst proprietor this club has had in my time. Some of the others were poor (either self-serving or incompetent), but Baz is probably the only one to combine both failings.
SAHornet
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11:38am Sat 28 Jul 12
D.unstable wrote:Hope you're right D. Nat Lotto would be excellent and credible sponsors. We won't walk around like tw*ts with stupid eggs with feathers on our shirts.
The National Lottery to be announced as new shirt sponsor next week, so I have heard......sounds feasible with its local connections, national and European target audience.
Heard it here first from the big D
croxley46
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11:42am Sat 28 Jul 12
londomollari
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11:45am Sat 28 Jul 12
SAHornet
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11:45am Sat 28 Jul 12
lutondown wrote:Morning LD. Apart from being astute themselves, The Pozzo's would certainly have had some top-notch number crunchers working on the take-over. They would have marked Baz's card within about 10 minutes flat, I'm sure. After all, we all did, didn't we? And we never even met the crook face to face. Add to that all that due diligence work that would have been carried-out and there you have it....no way and no place to hide a short-payment to HMRS of a coupla mill.
SAHornet wrote:Good post as usual SAH. I think being the astute businessmen they are they knew what they were undertaking, and if there was something hidden from them, their teams of accountants and Lawyers ( add Lord A's crew to the mix) Bas would go down as mastermind of the century, which of course he isn't.
There was only one Scully wrote:Scully and your numpty mate Bushey a*se, why don't you wake up and smell the coffee. Sounds to me that we are mostly from the same era, yet how can you be so negative? Coming off the back of, undoubtedly, the worst and most inept owner this club has ever had, you use the fact that, in your opinion, our new owners lack of communication to the fans and the media, is "the beginning of the end for our club". OMG !
There is to much happy clapping and optimism for our new owners and I for one sense that we are seeing the beginning of the end of our club.
Lets face facts, we have no definite signings, no indications of what they have to offer and despite what happened before austerity measures and caution and along with blaming what went before is not the answer. You only have to look at the mess the country is in at the moment to see why this type of approach is not acting in our best interests.
Not convinced by what I have seen or heard so far!
This family has owned Udinese for nearly 30 years. Do you really think that they don't know what they are doing? They have brought to your club one of the most respected former players that has ever graced the English Premiership to be our manager and you say that "this is the beginning of the end of our club".
You and your narrow minded mate know absolutely nothing about what difficulties have been left in the wake of Bankrupt Bas so why don't you wait and see for a few weeks instead of spreading your gloom and despondency as far and as thickly as you can?
'nuff said!
Duxburry said himself in a statement a few weeks ago that the clubs finances were in bad shape, they obviously need time to sort out the fiscal matters. What is going on is people scaremongering, and the same people who backed a pot less wannabe.
A bit of humility from those who saw everything great in Bas, like a good few people did on Dyche. I don't hold my breath for the sanctimonious are never wrong, in their ga ga worlds.
Back to the decorating....
Off to walk the dogs now. Golf cancelled due to rain like you wouldn't believe. UK is not the only place that is wet just now. Have a good weekend all Pozzo fans.
londomollari
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11:56am Sat 28 Jul 12
bushey tales
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12:28pm Sat 28 Jul 12
Feff
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12:49pm Sat 28 Jul 12
Bringe
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1:28pm Sat 28 Jul 12
"Baz IMO was just a puppet, a face to take the flack. Local failed businessman working for a fee, who had nothing to lose but certainly had the nerve to try and hijack the deal on payday. That is my genuine opinion and so is that if he was given complete control of the club it would not prosper. That I can't prove but there are precedents from his previous undertakings.
If this insults his character then let him sue, he'll get nothing."
I'll add that legally Pozzo's could not have been involved until later but I think the real entrepreneurs behind the takeover almost certainly had them in mind as potential customers frm the outset.
bushey tales
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1:58pm Sat 28 Jul 12
Bringe
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2:39pm Sat 28 Jul 12
That trio you mention is really a duo, Zola is a latecomer.
lutondown
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4:08pm Sat 28 Jul 12
I'm like everyone here waiting for new news, checking Watford Now every few hours to find..nothing new. But that's ok, as I think no news is good news, for now. The only substantive news to report in this non story was that the WFC MGT stated the trial it's we're being given a thorough looking at. I compare that with last years panic buy of the bargain bucket journeymen.
Anyway, the rumour mill is still alive and DJ Campbell is the latest suspect ( no thanks).
I also think Bringe is somewhat thereabouts in his thinking in so much the Pozzos have been circling for a while.
Just glad they swooped.
lutondown
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4:09pm Sat 28 Jul 12
Bringe
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4:52pm Sat 28 Jul 12
Think about it ... Duxbury/Nani had plenty of reson not to front the deal, not only possible amimosity amongst Watford supporters but also the Fa. and West Ham sypathetic media. Even if unfounded, bad press is the last thing you need when trying to attract bidders.
I question Baz's ability to inject finance into the club at vital times, though his family maybe reasonably wealthy, I find the likelyhood of them mortgaging their homes to support him very remote given his track record and that of the risky business of club ownership. Spending money on infrastructure such as the screen, PA and pitch was unexpected and doesn't tally with the usual maverick owner image but it would to this pair putting together a package as I've described. I would even question the ability for Dyche to get such quality loans without some favours being called in at other clubs. Then there's his "needing to spend time with his daughter" statement, IMO very late to start a fresh hunt for new owners but also perfect timing for existing interest and with the pitch relay sorted, a real bonus.
But I think the real swinger for me is how his bid was even considered in the first place, his wasn't the only one.
Mangoputney
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5:04pm Sat 28 Jul 12
The FA have given the go ahead for an ex bankrupt to be chairman of our club (he past THEIR fit and proper person checks)
The inevitable then happens and it would appear that WE will be the ones to suffer - what could we have done about avoiding this mess?
The FA's checks should be in place to protect us the fans but they would not hesitate in smashing us with a points deduction IF it came to it - how does that work?! (not suggesting that would happen)
Baz has gone with his keys to the pub and everyone else is left to pick up the pieces - the FA should award us 10 points for their error in making us put up with that idiot in the first place!
COYH
ElGingerino
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5:07pm Sat 28 Jul 12
bushey tales wrote:Thats what I believe, it was all set up, just waiting, and I still don't believe their system will translate into British football.
Do you reckon they looked at other FL clubs before Watford? I mean, do you think they were ready with the Nani/Duxbury/Zola combo in place, just awaiting a suitable opportunity?
jasonwatford
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5:27pm Sat 28 Jul 12
Bringe
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5:29pm Sat 28 Jul 12
ElGingerino wrote:I'm guessing it will translate far better than administration would.
bushey tales wrote:Thats what I believe, it was all set up, just waiting, and I still don't believe their system will translate into British football.
Do you reckon they looked at other FL clubs before Watford? I mean, do you think they were ready with the Nani/Duxbury/Zola combo in place, just awaiting a suitable opportunity?
SAHornet
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5:37pm Sat 28 Jul 12
Bringe
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5:38pm Sat 28 Jul 12
jasonwatford wrote:Don't go by the stats jason they are pretty meaningless, especially for the young guys, the Pozzo's have never been in the market for readymade superstars ... they buy cheap then develop their players and they are obviously very good at it.
Lets hope dj campbell is a joke link...rather have tommy back than him. Also these other forwards dont have great pedigree really if you look at their stats. I think we might have a slow start this year.
Bringe
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5:52pm Sat 28 Jul 12
SAHornet wrote:Here's a local report from the Cork game to occupy your mind. We get plenty of praise in it.
Wish the WO would come up with another story this weekend. We are now just going around in circles for the sake of commenting (example: this comment). Beam me up Scotty !
http://www.eveningec
ho.ie/2012/07/25/wat
ford-do-an-italian-j
ob-on-cork-city/?
D.unstable
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8:29pm Sat 28 Jul 12
Will we still come out to z-cars or will a bit of Pavarotti be more appropriate?
COYH
londomollari
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10:35pm Sat 28 Jul 12
bushey tales wrote:Jack Petchey was self serving, but an astute, succesful and wealthy businessman, His self serving attitude made him a rotten chairmen, but he sold the club back to E.J. et al for a very healthy profit. He was certainly not inept
I acknowledge that compared to some of the towering intellects on here I'm a mere narrow-minded numpty, but on behalf of Jack Petchey I'd like to question the description of Bassini as 'undoubtedly the worst and most inept owner this club has ever had.' Thank you.
londomollari
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10:53pm Sat 28 Jul 12
Bringe wrote:An interesting theory (I like conspiracy theories!). Duxbury/Nani did claim that they put together the Watford proposal first and approached the Pozzos. In doing that they must have had some contact with someone with decent club knowledge to be able to form a decent, presentable business plan.It was also stated that the Pozzos had looked at other clubs previously (Portsmouth was mentioned). But it would have been more in their interests to have appointed a personable, reasonably sensible PR competent representative to run the club than an incompetent dingbat. I don't know. I find the theory hard to support, but unable to seriously dispute it. Daresay time will tell---.
Here's my view which many of you will not have read, I'll leave it to you to work out who was pulling the strings but there's no way I'm going to credit Bassini for saving the club.
"Baz IMO was just a puppet, a face to take the flack. Local failed businessman working for a fee, who had nothing to lose but certainly had the nerve to try and hijack the deal on payday. That is my genuine opinion and so is that if he was given complete control of the club it would not prosper. That I can't prove but there are precedents from his previous undertakings.
If this insults his character then let him sue, he'll get nothing."
I'll add that legally Pozzo's could not have been involved until later but I think the real entrepreneurs behind the takeover almost certainly had them in mind as potential customers frm the outset.
Bringe
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12:21am Sun 29 Jul 12
londomollari wrote:That is precisely the point that threw me until I analysed the absolute needs of the real candidates. Privacy would have been paramount so straight away this rules out known associates and I doubt that many honest respectable independent businessmen could be expected to take considerable flack (much of which has not materialised) without finding the need to defend their reputation. Baz's previous record and lack of credibility would dicount funding for a bid behind their backs. All that was needed was someone that could be relied on to fob off questions and keep his mouth shut when the muck was flying at the peril of losing his fee. Even then I can't help but ask if ill health was the real reason for the forum fiasco.
Bringe wrote:An interesting theory (I like conspiracy theories!). Duxbury/Nani did claim that they put together the Watford proposal first and approached the Pozzos. In doing that they must have had some contact with someone with decent club knowledge to be able to form a decent, presentable business plan.It was also stated that the Pozzos had looked at other clubs previously (Portsmouth was mentioned). But it would have been more in their interests to have appointed a personable, reasonably sensible PR competent representative to run the club than an incompetent dingbat. I don't know. I find the theory hard to support, but unable to seriously dispute it. Daresay time will tell---.
Here's my view which many of you will not have read, I'll leave it to you to work out who was pulling the strings but there's no way I'm going to credit Bassini for saving the club.
"Baz IMO was just a puppet, a face to take the flack. Local failed businessman working for a fee, who had nothing to lose but certainly had the nerve to try and hijack the deal on payday. That is my genuine opinion and so is that if he was given complete control of the club it would not prosper. That I can't prove but there are precedents from his previous undertakings.
If this insults his character then let him sue, he'll get nothing."
I'll add that legally Pozzo's could not have been involved until later but I think the real entrepreneurs behind the takeover almost certainly had them in mind as potential customers frm the outset.
Bringe
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12:46am Sun 29 Jul 12
garston tony
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12:46am Sun 29 Jul 12
There have been calls for the club to make statement regards transfera totally ignoring that they HAVE actually made a statement.Im sure Zola is not only evaluating potential signings but also ghr players already on the books. no point signing someone who is no better than what we already have. once he's decided the club will sign the players he wants.
The pozzo's are we are told be some on this board astute business men, if so they would have thoroughly checked out club before completing the deal. whatever state LB left the club in (and lets stress here that the beliefs be has done anything wrong are ALSO pure speculation) they would have been fully aware of it and accepted whatever the position was.
As to fit and proper tests i would have thought a previous history of match fixing is of more concern than being a former bankrupt....
Basically give the Pozzo's a chance, but oh the irony of the anti LB lot 'defending' the new owners overthings they would have wanted to crucify LB for
KeithMercer
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1:06am Sun 29 Jul 12
SAHornet wrote:Great post SA,
There was only one Scully wrote:Scully and your numpty mate Bushey a*se, why don't you wake up and smell the coffee. Sounds to me that we are mostly from the same era, yet how can you be so negative? Coming off the back of, undoubtedly, the worst and most inept owner this club has ever had, you use the fact that, in your opinion, our new owners lack of communication to the fans and the media, is "the beginning of the end for our club". OMG !
There is to much happy clapping and optimism for our new owners and I for one sense that we are seeing the beginning of the end of our club.
Lets face facts, we have no definite signings, no indications of what they have to offer and despite what happened before austerity measures and caution and along with blaming what went before is not the answer. You only have to look at the mess the country is in at the moment to see why this type of approach is not acting in our best interests.
Not convinced by what I have seen or heard so far!
This family has owned Udinese for nearly 30 years. Do you really think that they don't know what they are doing? They have brought to your club one of the most respected former players that has ever graced the English Premiership to be our manager and you say that "this is the beginning of the end of our club".
You and your narrow minded mate know absolutely nothing about what difficulties have been left in the wake of Bankrupt Bas so why don't you wait and see for a few weeks instead of spreading your gloom and despondency as far and as thickly as you can?
'nuff said!
Keep up the good work and enjoy your Golf when the rain stops | you should play here its scorchio !!
Bringe
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1:14am Sun 29 Jul 12
garston tony wrote:Read my last posts. Your beloved Bassini did nothing wrong up until he tried to empty the safe .... He did nothing right either except obey.
Im loving how so many are treating pure speculation as fact and getting all hot under the collar!
There have been calls for the club to make statement regards transfera totally ignoring that they HAVE actually made a statement.Im sure Zola is not only evaluating potential signings but also ghr players already on the books. no point signing someone who is no better than what we already have. once he's decided the club will sign the players he wants.
The pozzo's are we are told be some on this board astute business men, if so they would have thoroughly checked out club before completing the deal. whatever state LB left the club in (and lets stress here that the beliefs be has done anything wrong are ALSO pure speculation) they would have been fully aware of it and accepted whatever the position was.
As to fit and proper tests i would have thought a previous history of match fixing is of more concern than being a former bankrupt....
Basically give the Pozzo's a chance, but oh the irony of the anti LB lot 'defending' the new owners overthings they would have wanted to crucify LB for
Sorry to break the news.
garston tony
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8:36am Sun 29 Jul 12
Bringe wrote:Thanks for making my point, your 'speculation' is breaking news is it now!
garston tony wrote:Read my last posts. Your beloved Bassini did nothing wrong up until he tried to empty the safe .... He did nothing right either except obey.
Im loving how so many are treating pure speculation as fact and getting all hot under the collar!
There have been calls for the club to make statement regards transfera totally ignoring that they HAVE actually made a statement.Im sure Zola is not only evaluating potential signings but also ghr players already on the books. no point signing someone who is no better than what we already have. once he's decided the club will sign the players he wants.
The pozzo's are we are told be some on this board astute business men, if so they would have thoroughly checked out club before completing the deal. whatever state LB left the club in (and lets stress here that the beliefs be has done anything wrong are ALSO pure speculation) they would have been fully aware of it and accepted whatever the position was.
As to fit and proper tests i would have thought a previous history of match fixing is of more concern than being a former bankrupt....
Basically give the Pozzo's a chance, but oh the irony of the anti LB lot 'defending' the new owners overthings they would have wanted to crucify LB for
Sorry to break the news.
Well heres some news you obviously havent heard, speculation is not fact.
Still, not exactly a suprise people are moaning about the Pozzo's already considering the nonsense that went on about LB. I think I'll join in with some speculative 'breaking' news, WFC is now going to be used to launder mafia money. This is about on par with whats been said so far and taken as gospel.
We all wants whats best for the club, we just have to be patient and wait for the new owners and manager to get settled in
mkhornet
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8:42am Sun 29 Jul 12
Holly68
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9:01am Sun 29 Jul 12
SAHornet
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9:10am Sun 29 Jul 12
KeithMercer wrote:Cheers Keith. My sis lives in St. Albans and she says it aint so scorchio anymore. Enjoy your Sunday.
SAHornet wrote:Great post SA,
There was only one Scully wrote:Scully and your numpty mate Bushey a*se, why don't you wake up and smell the coffee. Sounds to me that we are mostly from the same era, yet how can you be so negative? Coming off the back of, undoubtedly, the worst and most inept owner this club has ever had, you use the fact that, in your opinion, our new owners lack of communication to the fans and the media, is "the beginning of the end for our club". OMG !
There is to much happy clapping and optimism for our new owners and I for one sense that we are seeing the beginning of the end of our club.
Lets face facts, we have no definite signings, no indications of what they have to offer and despite what happened before austerity measures and caution and along with blaming what went before is not the answer. You only have to look at the mess the country is in at the moment to see why this type of approach is not acting in our best interests.
Not convinced by what I have seen or heard so far!
This family has owned Udinese for nearly 30 years. Do you really think that they don't know what they are doing? They have brought to your club one of the most respected former players that has ever graced the English Premiership to be our manager and you say that "this is the beginning of the end of our club".
You and your narrow minded mate know absolutely nothing about what difficulties have been left in the wake of Bankrupt Bas so why don't you wait and see for a few weeks instead of spreading your gloom and despondency as far and as thickly as you can?
'nuff said!
Keep up the good work and enjoy your Golf when the rain stops | you should play here its scorchio !!
Hampshire hornet
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9:11am Sun 29 Jul 12
SAHornet
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9:13am Sun 29 Jul 12
mkhornet wrote:You're right and you're wrong MK. Right cos, yes, he's gone but wrong cos he's far from yesterday news and if you read holly's post above and believe it, this is not the last we will be hearing about him.
For Goodness sake, when are people going to move on from this obsession of talking about LB. He's gone for God sake, whether you're for him or against him let's get over it and move on. He's yesterday's news and it's getting boring!
SAHornet
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9:17am Sun 29 Jul 12
Holly68 wrote:Interesting post as usual holly. Who are you though? Can you tell me or give me a clue? T'would add credibility to your posts. Genuine interest, nowt sinister,
BREAKING NEWS: Sources say Bassini has been issued with a High Court Writ over unpaid invoices/wages to do with the pub and has left the Country ! The Court coud award the pub to his creditors ! More to follow this week. Wobby on the case. :-)
lutondown
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9:22am Sun 29 Jul 12
SAHornet wrote:Que moany Tony......
Holly68 wrote:Interesting post as usual holly. Who are you though? Can you tell me or give me a clue? T'would add credibility to your posts. Genuine interest, nowt sinister,
BREAKING NEWS: Sources say Bassini has been issued with a High Court Writ over unpaid invoices/wages to do with the pub and has left the Country ! The Court coud award the pub to his creditors ! More to follow this week. Wobby on the case. :-)
jasonwatford
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10:26am Sun 29 Jul 12
southernhornet
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12:01pm Sun 29 Jul 12
The embargo thing will likely be sorted out this week. The new players will be announced by the club and we can begin to judge them and Zola on the pitch as of the spurs game
D.unstable
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12:24pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Harrydownunder
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12:39pm Sun 29 Jul 12
I know we then told him to sling his hook,and I see he has now been snappe up:http://www.goal.c
om/en-gb/news/2897/c
hampionship/2012/07/
28/3270980/bristol-c
ity-sign-former-card
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lutondown
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2:36pm Sun 29 Jul 12
SAHornet wrote:Quoted the wrong post mate! It should of been under my old nemesis , the only ever right and correct Tony Gasston!
lutondown wrote:Wa'fook does that mean LD?
SAHornet wrote:Que moany Tony......
Holly68 wrote:Interesting post as usual holly. Who are you though? Can you tell me or give me a clue? T'would add credibility to your posts. Genuine interest, nowt sinister,
BREAKING NEWS: Sources say Bassini has been issued with a High Court Writ over unpaid invoices/wages to do with the pub and has left the Country ! The Court coud award the pub to his creditors ! More to follow this week. Wobby on the case. :-)
ElGingerino
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3:56pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Bringe wrote:Yes but blind happy clapping because of the alternative wont help in the long run neither.
ElGingerino wrote:I'm guessing it will translate far better than administration would.
bushey tales wrote:Thats what I believe, it was all set up, just waiting, and I still don't believe their system will translate into British football.
Do you reckon they looked at other FL clubs before Watford? I mean, do you think they were ready with the Nani/Duxbury/Zola combo in place, just awaiting a suitable opportunity?
How far down the current state of affairs line will we go before the excuse becomes meaningless?
SAHornet
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4:39pm Sun 29 Jul 12
lutondown wrote:Phew, thought you were have a senior's moment for a second there, me old pal.
SAHornet wrote:Quoted the wrong post mate! It should of been under my old nemesis , the only ever right and correct Tony Gasston!
lutondown wrote:Wa'fook does that mean LD?
SAHornet wrote:Que moany Tony......
Holly68 wrote:Interesting post as usual holly. Who are you though? Can you tell me or give me a clue? T'would add credibility to your posts. Genuine interest, nowt sinister,
BREAKING NEWS: Sources say Bassini has been issued with a High Court Writ over unpaid invoices/wages to do with the pub and has left the Country ! The Court coud award the pub to his creditors ! More to follow this week. Wobby on the case. :-)
garston tony
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5:12pm Sun 29 Jul 12
And you have to admit if LB still ownedthe club, had sacked SD and no players had been signed so far with two going you would be calling him all sorts and making up more stuff about him. Me saying that isnt a moan, its a statement of fact.
Lets not get carried away with speculation as happened with LB and be patient hey
londomollari
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5:29pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Actually, now I've rasied the point----
lutondown
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5:31pm Sun 29 Jul 12
garston tony wrote:Point is everything said about LB was true, and I understand that a lot of unpaid bills remain from his tenure.
Where have i moaned?! ive said the same as you namely why are people knocking the Pozzo's already?
And you have to admit if LB still ownedthe club, had sacked SD and no players had been signed so far with two going you would be calling him all sorts and making up more stuff about him. Me saying that isnt a moan, its a statement of fact.
Lets not get carried away with speculation as happened with LB and be patient hey
The pozzos have real clout, Bas had none, and some of his statements? I'm quitting for my daughter etc were if nothing embarrassing
Glad we finally agree on the fact the Pozzos are a good thing! I'll sleep a lot better tonight
Phew
jasonwatford
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6:24pm Sun 29 Jul 12
garston tony
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6:58pm Sun 29 Jul 12
lutondown wrote:Ive always said i thought the Pozzo's were a good thing, accuracy not your strong point is it.
garston tony wrote:Point is everything said about LB was true, and I understand that a lot of unpaid bills remain from his tenure.
Where have i moaned?! ive said the same as you namely why are people knocking the Pozzo's already?
And you have to admit if LB still ownedthe club, had sacked SD and no players had been signed so far with two going you would be calling him all sorts and making up more stuff about him. Me saying that isnt a moan, its a statement of fact.
Lets not get carried away with speculation as happened with LB and be patient hey
The pozzos have real clout, Bas had none, and some of his statements? I'm quitting for my daughter etc were if nothing embarrassing
Glad we finally agree on the fact the Pozzos are a good thing! I'll sleep a lot better tonight
Phew
On that note proof please that 'everything' said about LB was true?! none has actually been provided as you well know, putting 'i understand' at the front on a sentence is not proof of anything. But again you reveal your true problem with him, he wasnt a billionaire who was going to bankroll the club but was and did continue the prudent within our means path of his predecessors. Well there was jo one else interested at the time and if Lord A had retained ownership things would probalbly have been worse at the club. Oh and News flash the Pozzo's arent going to throw money willey nilly at the club either but yes there is the advantage of footballing ljnks to other clubs and years of experience in the game. they are still going to have to work within the new agreed financial constraints the league has agreed to arent they though which links what can be spent to what is generated.
lutondown
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8:28pm Sun 29 Jul 12
garston tony wrote:Deluded post as always Tony, started to give it an exec look over but fell asleep at the point you said my issue was his lack of funds.,er yes that is quite a big issue.
lutondown wrote:Ive always said i thought the Pozzo's were a good thing, accuracy not your strong point is it.
garston tony wrote:Point is everything said about LB was true, and I understand that a lot of unpaid bills remain from his tenure.
Where have i moaned?! ive said the same as you namely why are people knocking the Pozzo's already?
And you have to admit if LB still ownedthe club, had sacked SD and no players had been signed so far with two going you would be calling him all sorts and making up more stuff about him. Me saying that isnt a moan, its a statement of fact.
Lets not get carried away with speculation as happened with LB and be patient hey
The pozzos have real clout, Bas had none, and some of his statements? I'm quitting for my daughter etc were if nothing embarrassing
Glad we finally agree on the fact the Pozzos are a good thing! I'll sleep a lot better tonight
Phew
On that note proof please that 'everything' said about LB was true?! none has actually been provided as you well know, putting 'i understand' at the front on a sentence is not proof of anything. But again you reveal your true problem with him, he wasnt a billionaire who was going to bankroll the club but was and did continue the prudent within our means path of his predecessors. Well there was jo one else interested at the time and if Lord A had retained ownership things would probalbly have been worse at the club. Oh and News flash the Pozzo's arent going to throw money willey nilly at the club either but yes there is the advantage of footballing ljnks to other clubs and years of experience in the game. they are still going to have to work within the new agreed financial constraints the league has agreed to arent they though which links what can be spent to what is generated.
So if you don't mind I'm going back to completely ignoring you, as life's too short for your drivel.
Chris the Vic
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8:41pm Sun 29 Jul 12
If HMRC owed £1.8m that would equate to a lot of wages and yet no winding up order issued.
There is aprolem, no doubt but why do so many peopl come ouwith this garbage.
If Due Diligence has failed to spot something why would Pozzos su LB and not take advantage of their accountants PI?
Dr,Oftaw
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11:23pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Hampshire hornet
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7:19am Mon 30 Jul 12
No Aliens ... Just our old adversary trying to overcome his jealous rage...
We need a new story.......
*Teddy*
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8:14am Mon 30 Jul 12
How many new stories do you need ?
JohnnyHornet
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9:02am Mon 30 Jul 12
D.unstable wrote:Are you sure it's not a charitable donation to assist with Bas's unpaid bills.
The National Lottery to be announced as new shirt sponsor next week, so I have heard......sounds feasible with its local connections, national and European target audience.
Heard it here first from the big D
Chris the Vic
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9:05am Mon 30 Jul 12
At the moment people like yourself queue up to slag him off.
Maybe you are correct but do you have any evidence to support your statement.
He passed the tests of the selling board led by the good lord and the legend GT, and presumably the Football League.
He was represented by a highly respected firm of lawyers, accounts were filed on time and he sold to what appears to be a very sensible and well advised footballing family.
He sacked Winter who along with Boy Blunder who missed the famous £8m hole in cash flow, either that or they ignored it despite being leaders of prudent management. Staff accountants and accounts department were also around at that time and still are.
Having said all that the Pozzos, despite LD's defence of them appear like Bas to have problems with transparency. I am quite willing to give both those parties the benefit of the doubt until it is proven otherwise. In meantime please state the basis of your opinion as to what Bas is, or like most of the accusations and rumour mongering on this thread shut it. BTW I suspect more will be unearthed on our ex-owner but until then I will go along with innocent until proved guilty.
Sorry if that makes me thick in your opinion.
He was represented by
SAHornet
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9:15am Mon 30 Jul 12
Chris the Vic wrote:Chris, he's already guilty on all counts.
Dr Oftaw please explain your comment As to what Baz is.
At the moment people like yourself queue up to slag him off.
Maybe you are correct but do you have any evidence to support your statement.
He passed the tests of the selling board led by the good lord and the legend GT, and presumably the Football League.
He was represented by a highly respected firm of lawyers, accounts were filed on time and he sold to what appears to be a very sensible and well advised footballing family.
He sacked Winter who along with Boy Blunder who missed the famous £8m hole in cash flow, either that or they ignored it despite being leaders of prudent management. Staff accountants and accounts department were also around at that time and still are.
Having said all that the Pozzos, despite LD's defence of them appear like Bas to have problems with transparency. I am quite willing to give both those parties the benefit of the doubt until it is proven otherwise. In meantime please state the basis of your opinion as to what Bas is, or like most of the accusations and rumour mongering on this thread shut it. BTW I suspect more will be unearthed on our ex-owner but until then I will go along with innocent until proved guilty.
Sorry if that makes me thick in your opinion.
He was represented by
corbindallas
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10:51am Mon 30 Jul 12
Chris the Vic wrote:Well said Chris, as usual we have the hung, drawn and quarter brigade still making closing statements on the previous owner to try and justify their own continuous wrong's, where as usual they have no proof, information, substance or facts, but keep patting themselves and each other on the back as a case proved, and they call us the delusional ones!!! Bassini may not be a saint but he sure as hell got us out of a situation when no one else wanted to that is what we call a fact that some people can't change regardless. Now we have new owners we move on or do we? The current situation is clear we are in a transfer embargo stopping us from signing players, even bidding for a player, this explains why only free agents are being approached and signed but not officially registered with the FL and why we did not progress with the Carlo Cudicini bid or any others at present, whilst the FL need further ratification on ownership funding, if you read the rules of club ownership application from the FL it clearly shows Mr Pozzo will have a issue with the previous match fixing allegations, he deregistered from his directorship over it, even though he still obviously owns Udinese Calcio and this is a admission of guilt and the FL rules state clearly that this will be a problem. Where that leaves us going forward who knows at the end of the day it will be his money bankrolling the club so he is involved as far as FL rules go, it is not the case of who's on the directorship, staffing apparently. I have read the full documentation and whilst I am also making these assumptions they do make sense in the here and now story as there is no other reason HMRC or otherwise for the non transparency from the club and FL on this matter. Also adding to this is you are permitted to sell players during this registration process to ensure income is available to the club for running costs etc, same situation Portsmouth had/have, but as said cannot make a bid for any player or sign any player free or loan officially until the FL register that player, thus no announcements from the club as they can't make them official. Hopefully this will get sorted but as it stands it is a huge problem that should have been address prior by people supposedly in the football know! This is holding Watford back from making signings and obviously missing out on potential signings, also what happens if the FL do not allow Mr Pozzo to take over the club on their rules??? I understand this can be a somewhat embarrassing subject for the club, but surely a little transparency and more important honesty will go a long way in stating that the club is still awaiting FL approval? Also I heard from within the club that apparently Carlo was Zola's first choice for keeper yet it appears because of this current issue we have grabbed Almunia instead, is this really taking time and due diligence in looking over players!
Dr Oftaw please explain your comment As to what Baz is.
At the moment people like yourself queue up to slag him off.
Maybe you are correct but do you have any evidence to support your statement.
He passed the tests of the selling board led by the good lord and the legend GT, and presumably the Football League.
He was represented by a highly respected firm of lawyers, accounts were filed on time and he sold to what appears to be a very sensible and well advised footballing family.
He sacked Winter who along with Boy Blunder who missed the famous £8m hole in cash flow, either that or they ignored it despite being leaders of prudent management. Staff accountants and accounts department were also around at that time and still are.
Having said all that the Pozzos, despite LD's defence of them appear like Bas to have problems with transparency. I am quite willing to give both those parties the benefit of the doubt until it is proven otherwise. In meantime please state the basis of your opinion as to what Bas is, or like most of the accusations and rumour mongering on this thread shut it. BTW I suspect more will be unearthed on our ex-owner but until then I will go along with innocent until proved guilty.
Sorry if that makes me thick in your opinion.
He was represented by
garston tony
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11:06am Mon 30 Jul 12
What there is proof of is him following the route laid out by the Russo's, which was carried on by Lord A when he got control back. Indeed I would say that there was probably more investment in the team under LB than there would have been under Lord A who had no interest in the club once it stopped being a cash cow he could milk.
One question that has not been answered is what exactly did the Russo's say to Lord A et al to gain control so dramatically a few years back? Lord A certainly made more from WFC than what he put into it (remember the missing premiership millions anyone) and that was compounded by the club wasting more millions and getting into a position it was spending far more than it was making. Yet the owners at that time despite having more funds but still bringing the club to within minutes possibly of administration didn’t receive even 10% of the vitriol that LB has received.
As to the Pozzo's I still say its ridiculous to attack them as some seem to want to but those bringing up LB are only doing so to excuse/mask the lack of activity at the club and the Pozzo's own poor communication so far.
garston tony
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11:13am Mon 30 Jul 12
Any chance of the WO reporting on the build up to the new season at Udinese and Granada? In terms of their aspirations/hopes/ch
ances for the seasons, loans between them etc. And I wonder if in years to come pre season will feature matches against those two teams too?
londomollari
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11:58am Mon 30 Jul 12
I noted, just in passing, that Udinese have just sold a player to Juventus---sorry, no time to check on name. So they are continuing their policy of develop and sell.
garston tony
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2:26pm Mon 30 Jul 12
Bringe
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6:07pm Mon 30 Jul 12
londomollari wrote:Udinese have a game at St Mary's on Aug 11th. Kind of quashes your theory.
Just off the cuff as on way to work. but yes, I would imagine that, given the close connections, any tours in this country by the sister clubs will invove matches v. watford. Probably the occasional friendly, too.
I noted, just in passing, that Udinese have just sold a player to Juventus---sorry, no time to check on name. So they are continuing their policy of develop and sell.
Back to my point. People are still giving Baz far too much credit. He was just a front to keep Duxbury and Nani off the back pages. I'll go as far as to say the only decision he made was to try and empty the safe.
If he had been the genuine owner there'd be nothing left, I'm certain of it.
garston tony
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6:50pm Mon 30 Jul 12
Bringe wrote:Maybe from next close season hey.
londomollari wrote:Udinese have a game at St Mary's on Aug 11th. Kind of quashes your theory.
Just off the cuff as on way to work. but yes, I would imagine that, given the close connections, any tours in this country by the sister clubs will invove matches v. watford. Probably the occasional friendly, too.
I noted, just in passing, that Udinese have just sold a player to Juventus---sorry, no time to check on name. So they are continuing their policy of develop and sell.
Back to my point. People are still giving Baz far too much credit. He was just a front to keep Duxbury and Nani off the back pages. I'll go as far as to say the only decision he made was to try and empty the safe.
If he had been the genuine owner there'd be nothing left, I'm certain of it.
And your source about LB just being a front? Two points main one being why on earth would they need a front man, no reason they couldnt be the front guys themselves. Point two if you believe all the unsubstantiated claims against LB and he was a front man for duxburry then that means the people in charge are the ones responsible for he allege crimes. OH DEAR.
Seriously people are tying themselves up in knots with the ever more ridiculous theories. Why do people insist on seeing shadows where there are none?
Bringe
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7:31pm Mon 30 Jul 12
Alleged crimes?? There are none and i'm sure the Pozzo's can afford to pick up the tax bill if that's all that's outstanding.
Bringe
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7:47pm Mon 30 Jul 12
garston tony
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8:46pm Mon 30 Jul 12
Im also not slating, just pointing out that people banged on about LB being a former bankrupt but dont show any concern that the Pozzo's own history IN FOOTBALL is tainted. surely a much bigger concern no?
Im slating the anti LB brigades hypocrisy NOT the Pozzo's, ive said plenty of times i'll judge them on what they do at WFC
Bringe
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10:24pm Mon 30 Jul 12
In 1990 he did not have to resign from anything but did in protest. There was no real evidence and on appeal the decision to deduct points was overturned.
As far as currently goes, hadn't we best get the facts first?
Bringe
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10:35pm Mon 30 Jul 12
garston tony
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9:54am Tue 31 Jul 12
Bringe
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10:33am Tue 31 Jul 12
I also suggest you take more note of my "ever more ridiculous theory" because it fills in all the nonsensical holes that appear in the widely accepted lone hero scenario and I expect it all to come out soon enough.
Talk of 'missing premiership millions' and 'Ashcroft, milking' what would be a very lean cash cow shows just how uninformed a bigot you really are.
worthing_hornet says...
8:40am Fri 27 Jul 12