Excellent Watford denied by injury-time penalty (From This Is Local London)

Hornet23 wrote:

endean1 wrote:
please somebody explain to me how that happened, how in gods name can we throw away games so consisently.

there is no other team that does this so often, its not fate there is something badly wrong with our mental state at the end of games..
utter stupid prats. ruined my whole weekend

It was a penalty, nothing to do with our mental state you berk.

strummerjoe wrote:
**** **** ****. Another abysmal ref. Still, we should have put it to bed with Sordell's pen. He took it exactly the same as against Ipswich - goalie had done his homework.

MJ1 wrote:

strummerjoe wrote:
**** **** ****. Another abysmal ref. Still, we should have put it to bed with Sordell's pen. He took it exactly the same as against Ipswich - goalie had done his homework.

Don't blame the Ref. He had a good game. No bookings and let it flow which is why it was the most entertaining match at Vicarage road this season. We lost two points because Marvin Sordell squandered numerous chances including the penalty. They would not have come back from 2-0 down. Learn and move on.

John Howard Norfolk wrote:
Its all down to what GT calls "The rub of the Green".

garston edl wrote:
It's now taken for granted that we have the most passionless,quietist crowd in football, but why are we so low in number this season? (11,500 today on the back of a good run) Is it; a) no faith in the manager and quality of football? b) no faith in the suspicious and mute owner? c) £26 matchday price is too much?

Discuss

garston edl wrote:
It's now taken for granted that we have the most passionless,quietist crowd in football, but why are we so low in number this season? (11,500 today on the back of a good run) Is it; a) no faith in the manager and quality of football? b) no faith in the suspicious and mute owner? c) £26 matchday price is too much? Discuss

strummerjoe wrote:

garston edl wrote:
It's now taken for granted that we have the most passionless,quietist crowd in football, but why are we so low in number this season? (11,500 today on the back of a good run) Is it; a) no faith in the manager and quality of football? b) no faith in the suspicious and mute owner? c) £26 matchday price is too much? Discuss

Crowd was 466 less than last year's fixture. Given that ST sales were down by more than a thousand, and the fact that we are a year further into a grim recession, I would say not too bad.

Hornet23 wrote:

endean1 wrote:
please somebody explain to me how that happened, how in gods name can we throw away games so consisently.

there is no other team that does this so often, its not fate there is something badly wrong with our mental state at the end of games..
utter stupid prats. ruined my whole weekend

It was a penalty, nothing to do with our mental state you berk.

Chris the Vic wrote:
Big game ..rubbish crowd. Not the best ref we have seen down at the vic but certainly not the worst.

Normally I defend Sean but not today. Loach had his normal error and finished up on his behind with Leeds past him but he wasnt under a great deal of pressure and did OK. Yeates won a ball (half tackle) the first from him this season, but the good and the bad were up front today. kightly and deeney worked hard and were a handful for Leeds, Bauben and Hogg did really well but Sordell (ignore the penalty) was ineffective, made few runs, won little and Sean had two forwards on the bench and failed to make a substitution. He has to take the blame, Marvyn had possibly his worst game and was left out there. When he missed the penalty he was a broken man because he cares and felt he had let everybody down. In reality he is young, talented and in need of the occasional rest...Sean gave him no protection and we dropped two points when we should have won comfortably.
So instead of striding across the pitch to have pointless words of blame with the ref, look at your own performance and judgements today Dyche they were below par and it cost us, but then even Fergie makes mistakes.

SAHornet wrote:
Having read the reports and your comments, it does seem that we were hard done to, to say the least but I didn't think we would win this one against a good team, on form. So congrats to Sean and the boys and more of it please

lutondown wrote:

SAHornet wrote:
Having read the reports and your comments, it does seem that we were hard done to, to say the least but I didn't think we would win this one against a good team, on form. So congrats to Sean and the boys and more of it please

morning SAH
It does not feel like a point won rather two lost.
I suspect we all would have settled for the draw before the game, but to witness us draw a game we could have been 3 goals to the good is frustrating,
What we can blame us fans for is not helping push our team over the line.
I don't know what more the team could have done today to give the fans something to cheer for, and it was Leeds for Chris of the Vics sake not Donny Rovers. Perhaps we need to have more kids for a quid days to help nurture future fans? Anything has got to be better than looking around at three half full sides and a bunch of self conscious supporters
The team deserved supporting yesterday, they did not get it.

garston edl wrote:
It's now taken for granted that we have the most passionless,quietist crowd in football, but why are we so low in number this season? (11,500 today on the back of a good run) Is it; a) no faith in the manager and quality of football? b) no faith in the suspicious and mute owner? c) £26 matchday price is too much?
Discuss

Chris the Vic wrote:
Big game ..rubbish crowd. Not the best ref we have seen down at the vic but certainly not the worst. Normally I defend Sean but not today. Loach had his normal error and finished up on his behind with Leeds past him but he wasnt under a great deal of pressure and did OK. Yeates won a ball (half tackle) the first from him this season, but the good and the bad were up front today. kightly and deeney worked hard and were a handful for Leeds, Bauben and Hogg did really well but Sordell (ignore the penalty) was ineffective, made few runs, won little and Sean had two forwards on the bench and failed to make a substitution. He has to take the blame, Marvyn had possibly his worst game and was left out there. When he missed the penalty he was a broken man because he cares and felt he had let everybody down. In reality he is young, talented and in need of the occasional rest...Sean gave him no protection and we dropped two points when we should have won comfortably. So instead of striding across the pitch to have pointless words of blame with the ref, look at your own performance and judgements today Dyche they were below par and it cost us, but then even Fergie makes mistakes.

SAHornet wrote:

lutondown wrote:

SAHornet wrote: Having read the reports and your comments, it does seem that we were hard done to, to say the least but I didn't think we would win this one against a good team, on form. So congrats to Sean and the boys and more of it please

morning SAH It does not feel like a point won rather two lost. I suspect we all would have settled for the draw before the game, but to witness us draw a game we could have been 3 goals to the good is frustrating, What we can blame us fans for is not helping push our team over the line. I don't know what more the team could have done today to give the fans something to cheer for, and it was Leeds for Chris of the Vics sake not Donny Rovers. Perhaps we need to have more kids for a quid days to help nurture future fans? Anything has got to be better than looking around at three half full sides and a bunch of self conscious supporters The team deserved supporting yesterday, they did not get it.

Watcha LD, howzit? Ouch, that low level of support is not something that I have witnessed in the past. I remember us at Wembley in '84 out singing Everton and hundreds of home and away (even the old Ninian Park on a cold and wet Wednesday night) when we sang our hearts out for the club. Happy days and let's hope we can get back to that again before too long. Have a good 'un.

grahamfransen wrote:

Chris the Vic wrote:
Big game ..rubbish crowd. Not the best ref we have seen down at the vic but certainly not the worst. Normally I defend Sean but not today. Loach had his normal error and finished up on his behind with Leeds past him but he wasnt under a great deal of pressure and did OK. Yeates won a ball (half tackle) the first from him this season, but the good and the bad were up front today. kightly and deeney worked hard and were a handful for Leeds, Bauben and Hogg did really well but Sordell (ignore the penalty) was ineffective, made few runs, won little and Sean had two forwards on the bench and failed to make a substitution. He has to take the blame, Marvyn had possibly his worst game and was left out there. When he missed the penalty he was a broken man because he cares and felt he had let everybody down. In reality he is young, talented and in need of the occasional rest...Sean gave him no protection and we dropped two points when we should have won comfortably. So instead of striding across the pitch to have pointless words of blame with the ref, look at your own performance and judgements today Dyche they were below par and it cost us, but then even Fergie makes mistakes.

If Sordell had put the penalty away, as he is very well paid to do, you would not be criticising SD, but talking about another great win!!

SD has been just fine lately, and we nearly beat one of the promo favourites, and we still have only lost 1 in 8. Leave SD alone for heaven's sake!

The real villain was Nosworthy for such a reckless head-high tackle on the edge of the box, with no real danger, and all of this in the 94th minute!!

Where do experienced players such as him get these mad rushes of blood to the head from??

Even Grayson admits Leeds got away with a lucky point! So what does that say?

It says we fear no one in this division on current form, and the most in-form "away" team in the league got away with murder on this occasion against a very spirited Watford display!

The ref was okay btw. If he was so pro-Leeds, as many are claiming, he would not have given us a very soft penalty to make it 2-0 with just two mins left for play!

Also, Deeney has a fantastic work rate which we all admire, but I am afraid he will never increase our scoring options. His scoring record was quite poor at Walsall, and it is even worse at the Vic!!!

stevyweavy wrote:
Gutted. Totally outplayed a form team. Would have to say Sordell was not really at the races today which is a shame as he definitely has a lot of talent. Hopefully the missed penalty will focus him to do better and not send him into his shell. Have watched the Leeds penalty over a few times and Nosworthy's boot did not go towards the players face rather the player moved his head towards Nosworthy's boot. Do not even think contact was made. Boot was not up too high. Definitely looked like a bit of opportunism by the Leeds player. I would have settled for a draw before the game but we totally out played them the whole 90 minutes and should have come away with 3 points. Deeney whilst maybe not the long term answer definitely caused some problems and gave Kightly additional options. Not always a fan of Marriappa but thought he had an excellent game although he still tends to leave Dickinson exposed whereas Nosworthy always manages to cover Hodson. Hogg was fantastic and kept it going the full 90 minutes. Bauben upped his game today from the last couple of matches.

SAHornet wrote:
Who should take our penalties? Sordell doesn't give me any confidence on his way in. He dillys and dallys and seems very hesitant. Anyone agree? How about Yeates (assuming he stays in the team)

llloydwithathirdl wrote:

garston edl wrote:
It's now taken for granted that we have the most passionless,quietist crowd in football, but why are we so low in number this season? (11,500 today on the back of a good run) Is it; a) no faith in the manager and quality of football? b) no faith in the suspicious and mute owner? c) £26 matchday price is too much?
Discuss

Though it's hard to take anyone with "edl" in their name seriously, I'd point out that L*ton had 1200 at home today.

A great performance, a good atmosphere, VERY unlucky. Stop moaning / trying to wind people up. If we play like that every week we'll finish top half.

Monty99 wrote:
Shame about the referee he did seem to lean towards Leeds all afternoon. We should have wrapped the points earlier. May the improvement continue.
Playoffs here we come!!!

garston edl wrote:

llloydwithathirdl wrote:

garston edl wrote:
It's now taken for granted that we have the most passionless,quietist crowd in football, but why are we so low in number this season? (11,500 today on the back of a good run) Is it; a) no faith in the manager and quality of football? b) no faith in the suspicious and mute owner? c) £26 matchday price is too much?
Discuss

Though it's hard to take anyone with "edl" in their name seriously, I'd point out that L*ton had 1200 at home today.

A great performance, a good atmosphere, VERY unlucky. Stop moaning / trying to wind people up. If we play like that every week we'll finish top half.

An FA Trophy match is hardly the bench mark for support levels!

E D Edl!

BCB69 wrote:
As an Ex. referee I always thought that a high or dangerous boot unless deamed to be violent conduct was penalised by an indriect free kick,so how this referee gave a penalty is beyond me,if he deamed it violent conduct he should have sent the player concerned off,another poor decision that robbeb us of 2 points.

Richard - Come On You Golden Boys! wrote:

SAHornet wrote: Who should take our penalties? Sordell doesn't give me any confidence on his way in. He dillys and dallys and seems very hesitant. Anyone agree? How about Yeates (assuming he stays in the team)

You're right. Sordell should not be the penalty taker as he lacks conviction & experience. Got away with it at Ipswich with unconvncing kick but not this time. I agree, Yeates hits an excellent free kick and would be ideal or Eustace if he's in the side. Still an all round superb display with Hogg outstanding and Kightly simply looking different class. Looking forward to going to B'pool next weekend with renewed confidence. Come on You Golden Boys! Clap. Clap, Clap!

grahamwfc wrote:

stevyweavy wrote: Gutted. Totally outplayed a form team. Would have to say Sordell was not really at the races today which is a shame as he definitely has a lot of talent. Hopefully the missed penalty will focus him to do better and not send him into his shell. Have watched the Leeds penalty over a few times and Nosworthy's boot did not go towards the players face rather the player moved his head towards Nosworthy's boot. Do not even think contact was made. Boot was not up too high. Definitely looked like a bit of opportunism by the Leeds player. I would have settled for a draw before the game but we totally out played them the whole 90 minutes and should have come away with 3 points. Deeney whilst maybe not the long term answer definitely caused some problems and gave Kightly additional options. Not always a fan of Marriappa but thought he had an excellent game although he still tends to leave Dickinson exposed whereas Nosworthy always manages to cover Hodson. Hogg was fantastic and kept it going the full 90 minutes. Bauben upped his game today from the last couple of matches.

How anyone cannot be fan of Mariappa is beyond me so keep your begrudging "praise" to yourself IDIOT. This guy is already player of the season & whilst he is nailed on to go in January & the best of luck to him for all he has given , he should be the first player to receive the award after leaving the club. BEYOND BELIEF Both penalties I thought - was beyond consoling at the time but on reflection a great performance. Those of you decrying going 5 in midfield - the correct decision IMAO - will be the same ones moaning next time that we did not keep things tight. Bad tactics did not lose us the game - it was an honest mistake by a player who gave 100% & not just in this game How the football league paper can award a 5 out of 10 to Deeney is a joke although they reckon Nosworthy tripped the players ankle for the Leeds pen - says it all!!! COYH

stevyweavy wrote:

grahamwfc wrote:

stevyweavy wrote: Gutted. Totally outplayed a form team. Would have to say Sordell was not really at the races today which is a shame as he definitely has a lot of talent. Hopefully the missed penalty will focus him to do better and not send him into his shell. Have watched the Leeds penalty over a few times and Nosworthy's boot did not go towards the players face rather the player moved his head towards Nosworthy's boot. Do not even think contact was made. Boot was not up too high. Definitely looked like a bit of opportunism by the Leeds player. I would have settled for a draw before the game but we totally out played them the whole 90 minutes and should have come away with 3 points. Deeney whilst maybe not the long term answer definitely caused some problems and gave Kightly additional options. Not always a fan of Marriappa but thought he had an excellent game although he still tends to leave Dickinson exposed whereas Nosworthy always manages to cover Hodson. Hogg was fantastic and kept it going the full 90 minutes. Bauben upped his game today from the last couple of matches.

How anyone cannot be fan of Mariappa is beyond me so keep your begrudging "praise" to yourself IDIOT. This guy is already player of the season & whilst he is nailed on to go in January & the best of luck to him for all he has given , he should be the first player to receive the award after leaving the club. BEYOND BELIEF Both penalties I thought - was beyond consoling at the time but on reflection a great performance. Those of you decrying going 5 in midfield - the correct decision IMAO - will be the same ones moaning next time that we did not keep things tight. Bad tactics did not lose us the game - it was an honest mistake by a player who gave 100% & not just in this game How the football league paper can award a 5 out of 10 to Deeney is a joke although they reckon Nosworthy tripped the players ankle for the Leeds pen - says it all!!! COYH

How can you call me an IDIOT. I am entitled to my opinion and I believe I made a valid point that AM whilst his positioning for heading the ball and tackling players is good he does have a tendency to not cover the left back position and leave Dickinson exposed. Some of the flack that Dickinson gets is justified but some of the time is because he is having to cover to big a gap which does not seem to be happening between Hodson & Nosworthy. As for player of the season I think Hogg ahould and will be in contention as he has made such a difference to midfield since joining us and we have been leaking goals even with AM in defence and there is no coincidence that this has improved dramatically since Nosworty has joined us so maybe you are being a bit blinkered.

SAHornet wrote:

stevyweavy wrote:

grahamwfc wrote:

stevyweavy wrote: Gutted. Totally outplayed a form team. Would have to say Sordell was not really at the races today which is a shame as he definitely has a lot of talent. Hopefully the missed penalty will focus him to do better and not send him into his shell. Have watched the Leeds penalty over a few times and Nosworthy's boot did not go towards the players face rather the player moved his head towards Nosworthy's boot. Do not even think contact was made. Boot was not up too high. Definitely looked like a bit of opportunism by the Leeds player. I would have settled for a draw before the game but we totally out played them the whole 90 minutes and should have come away with 3 points. Deeney whilst maybe not the long term answer definitely caused some problems and gave Kightly additional options. Not always a fan of Marriappa but thought he had an excellent game although he still tends to leave Dickinson exposed whereas Nosworthy always manages to cover Hodson. Hogg was fantastic and kept it going the full 90 minutes. Bauben upped his game today from the last couple of matches.

How anyone cannot be fan of Mariappa is beyond me so keep your begrudging "praise" to yourself IDIOT. This guy is already player of the season & whilst he is nailed on to go in January & the best of luck to him for all he has given , he should be the first player to receive the award after leaving the club. BEYOND BELIEF Both penalties I thought - was beyond consoling at the time but on reflection a great performance. Those of you decrying going 5 in midfield - the correct decision IMAO - will be the same ones moaning next time that we did not keep things tight. Bad tactics did not lose us the game - it was an honest mistake by a player who gave 100% & not just in this game How the football league paper can award a 5 out of 10 to Deeney is a joke although they reckon Nosworthy tripped the players ankle for the Leeds pen - says it all!!! COYH

How can you call me an IDIOT. I am entitled to my opinion and I believe I made a valid point that AM whilst his positioning for heading the ball and tackling players is good he does have a tendency to not cover the left back position and leave Dickinson exposed. Some of the flack that Dickinson gets is justified but some of the time is because he is having to cover to big a gap which does not seem to be happening between Hodson & Nosworthy. As for player of the season I think Hogg ahould and will be in contention as he has made such a difference to midfield since joining us and we have been leaking goals even with AM in defence and there is no coincidence that this has improved dramatically since Nosworty has joined us so maybe you are being a bit blinkered.

grahamwfc, try moderating your language a bit, please. Everyone on this forum is entitled to speak and voice their own opinion and just because it maybe doesn't mirror what you think, doesn't mean that you are entitled to be abusive. This forum has become a hell of a lot more interesting since most of the abuse has ceased. I'm sure that most contributors would agree with that.

kingofpop wrote:
Certainly deserved the win today, the leeds penalty was in the 95th minute according to the bbc website...where the ref got another 2minutes from is beyond me although he certainly gave leeds there fair share of decisions, not sure if it was a pen but unfortunatly marvin had an awful game today, should of scored when the keeper made a hash of his kick, keeps falling over for no reason and should have a look at the shift deeney did....somebody needs to tell him to buck his idea's up, stop trying to beat 3/4 people and look for the simple pass...im afraid being in the u21's has not done us any favours

lutondown wrote:

SAHornet wrote:

stevyweavy wrote:

grahamwfc wrote:

stevyweavy wrote: Gutted. Totally outplayed a form team. Would have to say Sordell was not really at the races today which is a shame as he definitely has a lot of talent. Hopefully the missed penalty will focus him to do better and not send him into his shell. Have watched the Leeds penalty over a few times and Nosworthy's boot did not go towards the players face rather the player moved his head towards Nosworthy's boot. Do not even think contact was made. Boot was not up too high. Definitely looked like a bit of opportunism by the Leeds player. I would have settled for a draw before the game but we totally out played them the whole 90 minutes and should have come away with 3 points. Deeney whilst maybe not the long term answer definitely caused some problems and gave Kightly additional options. Not always a fan of Marriappa but thought he had an excellent game although he still tends to leave Dickinson exposed whereas Nosworthy always manages to cover Hodson. Hogg was fantastic and kept it going the full 90 minutes. Bauben upped his game today from the last couple of matches.

How anyone cannot be fan of Mariappa is beyond me so keep your begrudging "praise" to yourself IDIOT. This guy is already player of the season & whilst he is nailed on to go in January & the best of luck to him for all he has given , he should be the first player to receive the award after leaving the club. BEYOND BELIEF Both penalties I thought - was beyond consoling at the time but on reflection a great performance. Those of you decrying going 5 in midfield - the correct decision IMAO - will be the same ones moaning next time that we did not keep things tight. Bad tactics did not lose us the game - it was an honest mistake by a player who gave 100% & not just in this game How the football league paper can award a 5 out of 10 to Deeney is a joke although they reckon Nosworthy tripped the players ankle for the Leeds pen - says it all!!! COYH

How can you call me an IDIOT. I am entitled to my opinion and I believe I made a valid point that AM whilst his positioning for heading the ball and tackling players is good he does have a tendency to not cover the left back position and leave Dickinson exposed. Some of the flack that Dickinson gets is justified but some of the time is because he is having to cover to big a gap which does not seem to be happening between Hodson & Nosworthy. As for player of the season I think Hogg ahould and will be in contention as he has made such a difference to midfield since joining us and we have been leaking goals even with AM in defence and there is no coincidence that this has improved dramatically since Nosworty has joined us so maybe you are being a bit blinkered.

grahamwfc, try moderating your language a bit, please. Everyone on this forum is entitled to speak and voice their own opinion and just because it maybe doesn't mirror what you think, doesn't mean that you are entitled to be abusive. This forum has become a hell of a lot more interesting since most of the abuse has ceased. I'm sure that most contributors would agree with that.

I do Sah Even old Frannypants is in good festive cheer ( new sticking to hang?)!!! But again look who starts the abuse... And Aidy agreed with your earlier post, can't find anyone digging out Mapps!

Stonemonkey69 wrote:

kingofpop wrote:
Certainly deserved the win today, the leeds penalty was in the 95th minute according to the bbc website...where the ref got another 2minutes from is beyond me although he certainly gave leeds there fair share of decisions, not sure if it was a pen but unfortunatly marvin had an awful game today, should of scored when the keeper made a hash of his kick, keeps falling over for no reason and should have a look at the shift deeney did....somebody needs to tell him to buck his idea's up, stop trying to beat 3/4 people and look for the simple pass...im afraid being in the u21's has not done us any favours

I will just explain to those that obviously have very little common sense! If a referee gives 4 minutes injury time (and there was plenty of time wasting going on in the later stages of the second half) and a penalty is awarded just into the 3rd minute of that injury time, the referee then stops his watch. Indeed he stops his watch for any time that he feels is correct even within the injury time. The BBC however do not stop their watches so is it not obvious that a penalty awarded this late would eventually be scored just 90 seconds or so after the incident? Also take into account the bit of protesting and the BBC may well have classed it as 96mins. There we are lesson over, but really I should not have to.
However, that is the worst I have seen Leeds play this season (Blackpool apart) and you did deserve to win on the day but get over it, we have had to many times when we have been the better team. Good luck for the rest of the season. From a Northern Monkey!

lutondown wrote:

SAHornet wrote:

stevyweavy wrote:

grahamwfc wrote:

stevyweavy wrote: Gutted. Totally outplayed a form team. Would have to say Sordell was not really at the races today which is a shame as he definitely has a lot of talent. Hopefully the missed penalty will focus him to do better and not send him into his shell. Have watched the Leeds penalty over a few times and Nosworthy's boot did not go towards the players face rather the player moved his head towards Nosworthy's boot. Do not even think contact was made. Boot was not up too high. Definitely looked like a bit of opportunism by the Leeds player. I would have settled for a draw before the game but we totally out played them the whole 90 minutes and should have come away with 3 points. Deeney whilst maybe not the long term answer definitely caused some problems and gave Kightly additional options. Not always a fan of Marriappa but thought he had an excellent game although he still tends to leave Dickinson exposed whereas Nosworthy always manages to cover Hodson. Hogg was fantastic and kept it going the full 90 minutes. Bauben upped his game today from the last couple of matches.

How anyone cannot be fan of Mariappa is beyond me so keep your begrudging "praise" to yourself IDIOT. This guy is already player of the season & whilst he is nailed on to go in January & the best of luck to him for all he has given , he should be the first player to receive the award after leaving the club. BEYOND BELIEF Both penalties I thought - was beyond consoling at the time but on reflection a great performance. Those of you decrying going 5 in midfield - the correct decision IMAO - will be the same ones moaning next time that we did not keep things tight. Bad tactics did not lose us the game - it was an honest mistake by a player who gave 100% & not just in this game How the football league paper can award a 5 out of 10 to Deeney is a joke although they reckon Nosworthy tripped the players ankle for the Leeds pen - says it all!!! COYH

How can you call me an IDIOT. I am entitled to my opinion and I believe I made a valid point that AM whilst his positioning for heading the ball and tackling players is good he does have a tendency to not cover the left back position and leave Dickinson exposed. Some of the flack that Dickinson gets is justified but some of the time is because he is having to cover to big a gap which does not seem to be happening between Hodson & Nosworthy. As for player of the season I think Hogg ahould and will be in contention as he has made such a difference to midfield since joining us and we have been leaking goals even with AM in defence and there is no coincidence that this has improved dramatically since Nosworty has joined us so maybe you are being a bit blinkered.

grahamwfc, try moderating your language a bit, please. Everyone on this forum is entitled to speak and voice their own opinion and just because it maybe doesn't mirror what you think, doesn't mean that you are entitled to be abusive. This forum has become a hell of a lot more interesting since most of the abuse has ceased. I'm sure that most contributors would agree with that.

I do Sah Even old Frannypants is in good festive cheer ( new sticking to hang?)!!! But again look who starts the abuse... And Aidy agreed with your earlier post, can't find anyone digging out Mapps!

grahamfransen wrote:

lutondown wrote:

SAHornet wrote:

stevyweavy wrote:

grahamwfc wrote:

stevyweavy wrote: Gutted. Totally outplayed a form team. Would have to say Sordell was not really at the races today which is a shame as he definitely has a lot of talent. Hopefully the missed penalty will focus him to do better and not send him into his shell. Have watched the Leeds penalty over a few times and Nosworthy's boot did not go towards the players face rather the player moved his head towards Nosworthy's boot. Do not even think contact was made. Boot was not up too high. Definitely looked like a bit of opportunism by the Leeds player. I would have settled for a draw before the game but we totally out played them the whole 90 minutes and should have come away with 3 points. Deeney whilst maybe not the long term answer definitely caused some problems and gave Kightly additional options. Not always a fan of Marriappa but thought he had an excellent game although he still tends to leave Dickinson exposed whereas Nosworthy always manages to cover Hodson. Hogg was fantastic and kept it going the full 90 minutes. Bauben upped his game today from the last couple of matches.

How anyone cannot be fan of Mariappa is beyond me so keep your begrudging "praise" to yourself IDIOT. This guy is already player of the season & whilst he is nailed on to go in January & the best of luck to him for all he has given , he should be the first player to receive the award after leaving the club. BEYOND BELIEF Both penalties I thought - was beyond consoling at the time but on reflection a great performance. Those of you decrying going 5 in midfield - the correct decision IMAO - will be the same ones moaning next time that we did not keep things tight. Bad tactics did not lose us the game - it was an honest mistake by a player who gave 100% & not just in this game How the football league paper can award a 5 out of 10 to Deeney is a joke although they reckon Nosworthy tripped the players ankle for the Leeds pen - says it all!!! COYH

How can you call me an IDIOT. I am entitled to my opinion and I believe I made a valid point that AM whilst his positioning for heading the ball and tackling players is good he does have a tendency to not cover the left back position and leave Dickinson exposed. Some of the flack that Dickinson gets is justified but some of the time is because he is having to cover to big a gap which does not seem to be happening between Hodson & Nosworthy. As for player of the season I think Hogg ahould and will be in contention as he has made such a difference to midfield since joining us and we have been leaking goals even with AM in defence and there is no coincidence that this has improved dramatically since Nosworty has joined us so maybe you are being a bit blinkered.

grahamwfc, try moderating your language a bit, please. Everyone on this forum is entitled to speak and voice their own opinion and just because it maybe doesn't mirror what you think, doesn't mean that you are entitled to be abusive. This forum has become a hell of a lot more interesting since most of the abuse has ceased. I'm sure that most contributors would agree with that.

I do Sah Even old Frannypants is in good festive cheer ( new sticking to hang?)!!! But again look who starts the abuse... And Aidy agreed with your earlier post, can't find anyone digging out Mapps!

I think you meant "stocking" dear old Muton, but as it is the festive season of goodwill to everyone, we must accept the odd typo!

I did ask you for some more pantyhose a couple of days ago, as I am getting a little low for Xmas.

Any news on them? Can I pop into the salon or the Venture, and collect some from you?

If I do not see you before, have a good 'un this yuletide season (even though you do not believe in the true meaning of CHRISTmas), and let's all get ready to give old Manky a festive stuffing on Boxing Day!!

lutondown wrote:

grahamfransen wrote:

lutondown wrote:

SAHornet wrote:

stevyweavy wrote:

grahamwfc wrote:

stevyweavy wrote: Gutted. Totally outplayed a form team. Would have to say Sordell was not really at the races today which is a shame as he definitely has a lot of talent. Hopefully the missed penalty will focus him to do better and not send him into his shell. Have watched the Leeds penalty over a few times and Nosworthy's boot did not go towards the players face rather the player moved his head towards Nosworthy's boot. Do not even think contact was made. Boot was not up too high. Definitely looked like a bit of opportunism by the Leeds player. I would have settled for a draw before the game but we totally out played them the whole 90 minutes and should have come away with 3 points. Deeney whilst maybe not the long term answer definitely caused some problems and gave Kightly additional options. Not always a fan of Marriappa but thought he had an excellent game although he still tends to leave Dickinson exposed whereas Nosworthy always manages to cover Hodson. Hogg was fantastic and kept it going the full 90 minutes. Bauben upped his game today from the last couple of matches.

How anyone cannot be fan of Mariappa is beyond me so keep your begrudging "praise" to yourself IDIOT. This guy is already player of the season & whilst he is nailed on to go in January & the best of luck to him for all he has given , he should be the first player to receive the award after leaving the club. BEYOND BELIEF Both penalties I thought - was beyond consoling at the time but on reflection a great performance. Those of you decrying going 5 in midfield - the correct decision IMAO - will be the same ones moaning next time that we did not keep things tight. Bad tactics did not lose us the game - it was an honest mistake by a player who gave 100% & not just in this game How the football league paper can award a 5 out of 10 to Deeney is a joke although they reckon Nosworthy tripped the players ankle for the Leeds pen - says it all!!! COYH

How can you call me an IDIOT. I am entitled to my opinion and I believe I made a valid point that AM whilst his positioning for heading the ball and tackling players is good he does have a tendency to not cover the left back position and leave Dickinson exposed. Some of the flack that Dickinson gets is justified but some of the time is because he is having to cover to big a gap which does not seem to be happening between Hodson & Nosworthy. As for player of the season I think Hogg ahould and will be in contention as he has made such a difference to midfield since joining us and we have been leaking goals even with AM in defence and there is no coincidence that this has improved dramatically since Nosworty has joined us so maybe you are being a bit blinkered.

grahamwfc, try moderating your language a bit, please. Everyone on this forum is entitled to speak and voice their own opinion and just because it maybe doesn't mirror what you think, doesn't mean that you are entitled to be abusive. This forum has become a hell of a lot more interesting since most of the abuse has ceased. I'm sure that most contributors would agree with that.

I do Sah Even old Frannypants is in good festive cheer ( new sticking to hang?)!!! But again look who starts the abuse... And Aidy agreed with your earlier post, can't find anyone digging out Mapps!

I think you meant "stocking" dear old Muton, but as it is the festive season of goodwill to everyone, we must accept the odd typo! I did ask you for some more pantyhose a couple of days ago, as I am getting a little low for Xmas. Any news on them? Can I pop into the salon or the Venture, and collect some from you? If I do not see you before, have a good 'un this yuletide season (even though you do not believe in the true meaning of CHRISTmas), and let's all get ready to give old Manky a festive stuffing on Boxing Day!!

Pantyman I have lots of pretty pollys for you, I think tea colour would suit your insipid pallor! You will not find me in the venture, but I do frequent that very Christian place of ale worship 'the Grapevine' of which you are cordially invited to join me for a wafer and sip from the chalice of Chris the Vic, this will be followed by a game of 'quickest draw' Anyway I fear we are taking the path to devildom here, and after I so amiably agreed with you! Happy Hannukah Franny

SAHornet wrote:

Stonemonkey69 wrote:

kingofpop wrote:
Certainly deserved the win today, the leeds penalty was in the 95th minute according to the bbc website...where the ref got another 2minutes from is beyond me although he certainly gave leeds there fair share of decisions, not sure if it was a pen but unfortunatly marvin had an awful game today, should of scored when the keeper made a hash of his kick, keeps falling over for no reason and should have a look at the shift deeney did....somebody needs to tell him to buck his idea's up, stop trying to beat 3/4 people and look for the simple pass...im afraid being in the u21's has not done us any favours

I will just explain to those that obviously have very little common sense! If a referee gives 4 minutes injury time (and there was plenty of time wasting going on in the later stages of the second half) and a penalty is awarded just into the 3rd minute of that injury time, the referee then stops his watch. Indeed he stops his watch for any time that he feels is correct even within the injury time. The BBC however do not stop their watches so is it not obvious that a penalty awarded this late would eventually be scored just 90 seconds or so after the incident? Also take into account the bit of protesting and the BBC may well have classed it as 96mins. There we are lesson over, but really I should not have to.
However, that is the worst I have seen Leeds play this season (Blackpool apart) and you did deserve to win on the day but get over it, we have had to many times when we have been the better team. Good luck for the rest of the season. From a Northern Monkey!

Thanks for your post stonemonkey and all the best to you guys too

grahamfransen wrote:

lutondown wrote:

grahamfransen wrote:

lutondown wrote:

SAHornet wrote:

stevyweavy wrote:

grahamwfc wrote:

stevyweavy wrote: Gutted. Totally outplayed a form team. Would have to say Sordell was not really at the races today which is a shame as he definitely has a lot of talent. Hopefully the missed penalty will focus him to do better and not send him into his shell. Have watched the Leeds penalty over a few times and Nosworthy's boot did not go towards the players face rather the player moved his head towards Nosworthy's boot. Do not even think contact was made. Boot was not up too high. Definitely looked like a bit of opportunism by the Leeds player. I would have settled for a draw before the game but we totally out played them the whole 90 minutes and should have come away with 3 points. Deeney whilst maybe not the long term answer definitely caused some problems and gave Kightly additional options. Not always a fan of Marriappa but thought he had an excellent game although he still tends to leave Dickinson exposed whereas Nosworthy always manages to cover Hodson. Hogg was fantastic and kept it going the full 90 minutes. Bauben upped his game today from the last couple of matches.

How anyone cannot be fan of Mariappa is beyond me so keep your begrudging "praise" to yourself IDIOT. This guy is already player of the season & whilst he is nailed on to go in January & the best of luck to him for all he has given , he should be the first player to receive the award after leaving the club. BEYOND BELIEF Both penalties I thought - was beyond consoling at the time but on reflection a great performance. Those of you decrying going 5 in midfield - the correct decision IMAO - will be the same ones moaning next time that we did not keep things tight. Bad tactics did not lose us the game - it was an honest mistake by a player who gave 100% & not just in this game How the football league paper can award a 5 out of 10 to Deeney is a joke although they reckon Nosworthy tripped the players ankle for the Leeds pen - says it all!!! COYH

How can you call me an IDIOT. I am entitled to my opinion and I believe I made a valid point that AM whilst his positioning for heading the ball and tackling players is good he does have a tendency to not cover the left back position and leave Dickinson exposed. Some of the flack that Dickinson gets is justified but some of the time is because he is having to cover to big a gap which does not seem to be happening between Hodson & Nosworthy. As for player of the season I think Hogg ahould and will be in contention as he has made such a difference to midfield since joining us and we have been leaking goals even with AM in defence and there is no coincidence that this has improved dramatically since Nosworty has joined us so maybe you are being a bit blinkered.

grahamwfc, try moderating your language a bit, please. Everyone on this forum is entitled to speak and voice their own opinion and just because it maybe doesn't mirror what you think, doesn't mean that you are entitled to be abusive. This forum has become a hell of a lot more interesting since most of the abuse has ceased. I'm sure that most contributors would agree with that.

I do Sah Even old Frannypants is in good festive cheer ( new sticking to hang?)!!! But again look who starts the abuse... And Aidy agreed with your earlier post, can't find anyone digging out Mapps!

I think you meant "stocking" dear old Muton, but as it is the festive season of goodwill to everyone, we must accept the odd typo! I did ask you for some more pantyhose a couple of days ago, as I am getting a little low for Xmas. Any news on them? Can I pop into the salon or the Venture, and collect some from you? If I do not see you before, have a good 'un this yuletide season (even though you do not believe in the true meaning of CHRISTmas), and let's all get ready to give old Manky a festive stuffing on Boxing Day!!

Pantyman I have lots of pretty pollys for you, I think tea colour would suit your insipid pallor! You will not find me in the venture, but I do frequent that very Christian place of ale worship 'the Grapevine' of which you are cordially invited to join me for a wafer and sip from the chalice of Chris the Vic, this will be followed by a game of 'quickest draw' Anyway I fear we are taking the path to devildom here, and after I so amiably agreed with you! Happy Hannukah Franny

I do not drink that much, but I do know someone who turned water into (grapevine) wine!

I will raise a toast to you on Christmas Day to wish you good health, and will then congregate with you all at the Holy Grail of The Vic on yonder Boxing Day, to witness the ceremonial execution of Barabbas (I mean Manky)!!!

The good book stateth that he must not returneth westwards to yonder Wales with any points, treacherously poached from the promised land we have inheriteth from Joseph of Arithimea, and King Arthur!

Chris the Vic wrote:
Only one scully your argument/point of view would have more validity if you cut the insults out. You miss the point I was making in several ways. Firstly, I have no doubt we controlled the game throughout and finished up with a draw, because we gave a penalty away...and having watched it several times it was without doubt a penalty. Why did we draw...simple we didn't score enough goals. The main culprit was MS who had two great chances and the penalty. I dont want to get on the back of MS who i think has the chance of becoming a very good player but at his age he will have some bad games and will still need resting from what is a very hard and exhausting position to play. That is why we have substitutes including two strikers on the bench. Sean failed to use either and then took off a tiring Kightly to replace him with a more defensive player thus handing the initative to leeds and we paid the penalty. BTW I did play to a good standard in amateur football. So if you disagree in future try not to be so rude, don't make assumptions and if you think MS had a good game by his standards fine but if you feel he was well below that level and the team in general played really well explain why Sean persisted with him.

Chris the Vic wrote:
So GF don't disagree with much of what you say but ignoring the missed penalty did you think MS had a good game...if not why wasnt he substituted And hogg and eustace together does not work well....too alike

grahamfransen wrote:

Chris the Vic wrote: So GF don't disagree with much of what you say but ignoring the missed penalty did you think MS had a good game...if not why wasnt he substituted And hogg and eustace together does not work well....too alike

MS had a poor game, and really cost us the three points. Hogg and Eustace should not start together. But there is no reason why they cannot finish a game together if the situation, and SD, dictates.