10:01pm Tuesday 29th November 2011 in Watford FC - Match Reports By Anthony Matthews
A horrible moment for Adrian Mariappa and Scott Loach allowed Bristol City to complete a comeback from two goals down and claim a 2-2 draw at Vicarage Road.
The Hornets had looked on course for a fourth straight home win after Carl Dickinson’s stunning 25-yard strike and Craig Beattie’s first for the club put them two goals to the good with four minutes of the first half remaining.
However, Marvin Elliott pulled one back almost immediately and within two minutes of the restart the Robins were level when Mariappa’s innocuous back pass bobbled over Loach’s foot and into the net.
Substitute Troy Deeney nearly snatched a dramatic injury-time winner for the hosts but they had to settle for a second consecutive point as their run extended to one defeat in six matches.
Given that Sean Dyche rated Marvin Sordell as “touch and go” following the ankle injury he sustained at Doncaster Rovers, there was no surprise that he missed out as Beattie came in for the first start since moving on loan from Swansea City.
The Hornets boss also made another change – and it was a significant one. Jonathan Hogg returned after missing the trip to the Keepmoat Stadium due to a one-match suspension but it was John Eustace who dropped to the bench, and not – as some fans might have expected – Prince Buaben.
There was also a return to a place among the replacements following a four-game absence for Joe Garner, while Jack Bonham was again the back-up keeper.
Following an impeccably observed minute’s silence in memory of Wales manager Gary Speed and Private Thomas Lake, the Northwood soldier who died in Afghanistan recently, the first ten minutes were relatively low key, with not a semblance of a chance created.
However, that could have changed in the 11th minute when a lapse in the Hornets defence threatened to let Nicky Maynard through but the striker slipped slightly as Nyron Nosworthy chased back and the potential danger was averted.
But it was the hosts who had the first attempt on goal three minutes later – and they weren’t too far away from taking the lead when Yeates curled a 25-yard free-kick narrowly wide of David James’ near post.
City responded with their first effort soon after, with Neil Kilkenny seeing a cross-shot from the right side of the area deflected out for a corner, which the under pressure Liam Fontaine met with a header that was high and wide.
The match was simmering along nicely as the halfway point of the first half passed but the manner in which the Hornets took the lead after 25 minutes was memorable.
The move began with Beattie breaking forward from the right and finding Michael Kightly, who couldn’t advance with his first touch so laid it back to Dickinson and he took one touch before firing a stunning 25-yard left-footed strike across James and into the far corner.
The Robins tried to respond instantly, with a shot forcing Loach into his first save of the evening, while Fontaine headed a deep cross behind soon after.
The visitors continued to enjoyed a good spell after that, testing Watford’s discipline and defensive organisation, and Loach was forced to make a smart save at his near post to keeper a stinging drive from Albert Adomah, who had been put away on the left by Maynard’s neat flick.
But the game really took off in the final five minutes of the half after Watford had doubled their advantage in rather unusual fashion.
Yeates deserves credit for chancing his arm from distance but James didn’t appear too concerned as the ball approached him, seemingly destined to clear the bar a few feet above his head. However, to the former Hornets keeper’s surprise, the shot dipped very late, rebounded down off the bar and Beattie reacted first to head home his first Watford goal.
Within two minutes of going 2-0 up though, City were back in it as Elliott stretched forward to head Ryan McGivern’s cross from the left past Loach from six yards out.
There was still time for Yeates to have another well-struck goal-bound effort blocked as a first half, which started slowly, finished with the hosts a goal to the good.
But that was wiped out within two minutes of the restart after a horrible moment for Watford when Loach failed to deal with a routine back pass from Mariappa and the ball embarrassingly bounced over his foot to end up in the back of the Hornets net to make it 2-2.
Unsurprisingly, the two players involved came in for plenty of stick from the visiting fans in the following minutes and the Hornets did look rattled for a while, but they started to threaten again after the hour-mark.
First, James was not unduly troubled by Beattie’s downward header from a Yeates cross, although the former England stopper did require treatment for a knee problem moments later, before Kightly did very well to get beyond Cole Skuse and reach the by-line and stand up a cross beyond the back post, which Beattie headed back towards the target but the wrong side of the upright.
Back came City, with Adamoah hitting a half-volley from the right angle of the area across goal and narrowly wide of the far post and then Loach had to save at his near post after the dangerous wing man had set up Maynard.
Robins boss Derek McInnes made the first change on 66 minutes, replacing Stephen Pearson with Martyn Woolford, but Dyche quickly followed suit as Beattie made way for Deeney.
The match ebbed back Watford’s way as Kightly curled an effort from outside the 18-yard box wide and James saved comfortably from another Yeates effort, but in between times they looked to have a strong appeal for a penalty turned down when Deeney cleared appeared to be having his shirt pulled at a corner.
City made two more changes in the final ten minutes but neither side created a clear opening until the fourth minute of injury time when a Lee Hodson cross was chested by Deeney to Buaben, who laid it back to the substitute and he hit a shot on the turn from 16 yards out inches wide of the far post.
Watford: Loach; Hodson, Nosworthy, Mariappa, Dickinson; Yeates, Hogg, Buaben, Kightly; Beattie (Deeney 68), Iwelumo. Not used: Eustace, Mirfin, Garner and Bonham.
Bristol City: James; Skuse, Fontaine, Nyatanga (Wilson 90), McGivern; Elliott, Cisse (Pitman 84), Kilkenny; Admoah, Maynard, Pearson (Woolford 66). Not used: Bolasie and Gerken.
Bookings: Iwelumo for persistent fouling (84).
Attendance: 12,418.
Referee: Scott Mathieson.
Comments(73)
radlettman
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10:12pm Tue 29 Nov 11
Feff
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10:15pm Tue 29 Nov 11
Berks Horn
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10:21pm Tue 29 Nov 11
Johnny Ryden
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10:21pm Tue 29 Nov 11
Hornet23
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10:25pm Tue 29 Nov 11
Feff
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10:29pm Tue 29 Nov 11
strummerjoe
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10:35pm Tue 29 Nov 11
Feff wrote:He generally does get there, there is just never anyone on the end of his knockdowns.
The Manager sticks with Loach because he hasn't got anyone better. What I do not understand is why we are playing hoofball again. After Boothroyd had gone we did try to play the ball on the ground under the next two managers. Now all we do is balloon the ball into the air again and hope Iwelumo might get there. He doesn't and never will.
Stoney77
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10:38pm Tue 29 Nov 11
buckler
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10:39pm Tue 29 Nov 11
Berks Horn wrote:Dont talk rubbish! it was a routine back pass that a school kid would have dealt with. How can anyone stick up for a so called pro keeper is beyond me. Total liability who costs us points all the time with his shoddy keeping!
Not loach's fault. Terrible bobble, not a great ball from Mapps who was himself given a bad pass. All in all not a bad game at all against a side who are much better than their league position suggests.
There was only one Scully
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10:48pm Tue 29 Nov 11
radlettman wrote:After the farcical goal we lost a bit of confidence which my friend bought them back into the game.
Absolute 2nd half drivel..... Bristol City by far the superior team..... THEY PLAYED FOOTBALL ...... they could pass, they played along the ground, had ideas how to turn things around. We were pathetic - Dyche has no idea how to tactically change things.... what is the point og hoofing high balls into the box only for the tall Bristol City defenders to easily cut out each attempt. This was a reality check tonight .... Dickenson may have scored but as a defender he's easily exposed....
Thw witing is back on the wall .... and lets see where Bristol City end up - from them really entertaining football. From us pure dross
Hornet Cornet
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10:49pm Tue 29 Nov 11
WFC4ever
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10:50pm Tue 29 Nov 11
Hornets number 12 fan
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10:52pm Tue 29 Nov 11
stuegs
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10:54pm Tue 29 Nov 11
bonserout
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10:56pm Tue 29 Nov 11
buckler
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11:02pm Tue 29 Nov 11
stuegs wrote:Good keepers dont make the ammount of mistakes that clown makes-Fact! I will and have blamed him 100%. The slow strikeforce is a total joke too as are Dyches tactics! 2 poor teams.
Firstly, Buckler, everyone is entitled to make mistakes. Even Tiger Woods gets bogeys, messi misses sitters, etc etc. The best in the world make mistakes, not a problem just bad luck, you can't blame anyone for that, let's just hope it evens out. We have a hardworking midfield, hogg doesn't stop running, prince presses well, kightly has quality, yeates is a bit ropey, the problem is our strikers don't show for the ball. The gap is too big between midfield and attack, no one runs into the channels and the ball never gets played into space. So we ended up running out of ideas and hoofing or passing back to a defender or loach and they hoof it. Chris wins a few headers, but the other striker is never close enough to pick up any of these flick ons. We rarely get behind the oppositions back line, we rarely get on the end of through balls and we don't have enough shots . Having said that, I do think we have a good enough team to stay in this league
stevemag
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11:07pm Tue 29 Nov 11
sceptic
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11:11pm Tue 29 Nov 11
radlettman
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11:14pm Tue 29 Nov 11
stuegs
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11:16pm Tue 29 Nov 11
jasonwatford
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11:18pm Tue 29 Nov 11
radlettman
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11:18pm Tue 29 Nov 11
sceptic wrote:But at least they pass and can string passes together unlike a team I come to watch. Last time I saw such a passing team at the Vic was last year when Swansea visited and look what happened to them!! Lets hoof out the hoof ball.
Everybody is praising the Robins for neat play and possession but luckily for us they make 12 passes when 6 or 7 would suffice. Vialli would have loved them!
WFC4ever
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11:32pm Tue 29 Nov 11
LoveKeithDublin
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12:05am Wed 30 Nov 11
radlettman
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12:21am Wed 30 Nov 11
LoveKeithDublin wrote:I was also pretty gutted to see it pumped in the air ..... AND then cut out by the strong Bristol City defenders. Totally useless......
Beattie and Big Chris - surely the most one dimensional and slowest strike force of all time!
Big Chris looks like he talks a good game, always in the ear of the other players and so on, but Troy showed more guile in 10 minutes than Big Chris has shown in 5 games.
I was pretty gutted to have paid 25 quid just watching us pump it in the air to Beattie and Big Chris.
blokey
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12:42am Wed 30 Nov 11
PurpleRalph
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12:57am Wed 30 Nov 11
jimbuctu
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1:01am Wed 30 Nov 11
SAHornet
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5:17am Wed 30 Nov 11
jimbuctu wrote:This says it all. An insightful post and an accurate commentary on our footie under Dyche. I'm now convinced that a reasonably experienced manager (not necessarily an expensive one) could shape the players we've already got into a coherent unit.
I haven't been as much as usual this season, and tonight only served to reminded me why I made that decision. You'd think a 2-2 draw would have been worth watching but it really wasn't.
The comedy value of watching professionals (who kick a ball around all day) booting fresh air and heading it to each other via the Rous roof was about the only value I got for my £25. Dickinsons goal was a peach but overall I have to question the coaching staff. Anyone who's played the game knows that when you play simple football you create more chances, and because you've got the ball the opposition can't score. We did it a couple of times towards the end and guess what - it worked!
It's easy to see the hoofing is a strategy and I think it does a dis-service to some good players we have on our books. Hogg, Yeates, Kightly, Buaben and even the full backs can all play - please stop kicking it over all their heads and let them Sean, or the attendances will keep tumbling because that was complete and utter dross.
Scott - if you are reading this pass it on eh mate. It'll make up for the error!
a1derek
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7:38am Wed 30 Nov 11
grahamfransen
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8:26am Wed 30 Nov 11
strummerjoe wrote:Check the stats with Iwelumo in the team!
Feff wrote: The Manager sticks with Loach because he hasn't got anyone better. What I do not understand is why we are playing hoofball again. After Boothroyd had gone we did try to play the ball on the ground under the next two managers. Now all we do is balloon the ball into the air again and hope Iwelumo might get there. He doesn't and never will.He generally does get there, there is just never anyone on the end of his knockdowns.
grahamfransen
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8:34am Wed 30 Nov 11
There was only one Scully wrote:Calamity James was as badly at fault with Yeates' shot for our second goal, as Loach was for City's second!!
radlettman wrote: Absolute 2nd half drivel..... Bristol City by far the superior team..... THEY PLAYED FOOTBALL ...... they could pass, they played along the ground, had ideas how to turn things around. We were pathetic - Dyche has no idea how to tactically change things.... what is the point og hoofing high balls into the box only for the tall Bristol City defenders to easily cut out each attempt. This was a reality check tonight .... Dickenson may have scored but as a defender he's easily exposed.... Thw witing is back on the wall .... and lets see where Bristol City end up - from them really entertaining football. From us pure drossAfter the farcical goal we lost a bit of confidence which my friend bought them back into the game. Errors like that do not inspire team confidence and our heads went down. Of course we then made them look good, but I will say up until that moment City were second best especially first half. I can still only remember them having one other shot late in the game which, thankfully Loach saved. If possession counts for superiority then, second half City were the better team. Yes it was a reality check and a game we can learn a lot from. What ever happened to Calamity James?
grahamfransen
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8:39am Wed 30 Nov 11
radlettman wrote:No mate, it was Donny!!
sceptic wrote: Everybody is praising the Robins for neat play and possession but luckily for us they make 12 passes when 6 or 7 would suffice. Vialli would have loved them!But at least they pass and can string passes together unlike a team I come to watch. Last time I saw such a passing team at the Vic was last year when Swansea visited and look what happened to them!! Lets hoof out the hoof ball.
corbindallas
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8:41am Wed 30 Nov 11
Ruislip Defender
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stuperman
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grahamfransen
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Ruislip Defender wrote:You obviously have not been a Watford fan very long then?
Anyone who comes on here and support Loach is living in a dream world. The guy is a total liability and has cost us countless goals ever since he first played for the club. he has no commoand of his box, never comes off his line and the defence have no confidence in hime. As for the way the team play, hoofball to strikers who never win the ball in the air and never will. There was no atmosphere again last night, the game was terrible and how 4 goals were scored is amazing. The crowd will get less and less unless we try to play football on the floor. Everybody knows we lost our best players so expectations are low but at least try to entertain and the crowd will respond
Alex Hillcroft
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8:58am Wed 30 Nov 11
Alex Hillcroft
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9:06am Wed 30 Nov 11
corbindallas wrote:Iwelumo "did give their defence a visual big distraction"???!!! A 20ft inflatable father christmas in the middle of the pitch would have a similarly 'visually distracting' impact - and probably contribute more to the game Big 'Useless' Chris.
Really mixed review of the game which show's that it is difficult to get it right for all. I for one thought it was an interesting game, considering the majority thought we were in for a tough game prior it was nice to see us 2-0 up, which was my score prediction, but then they scored and were obviously gifted a goal through gross human error. A few point's for reflection, BC had set up a 5 against our 2 midfield thus the hoof ball tactic was to supposedly cut out the midfield, this was mixed with both ground play and would be a good option against such better midfield if we had strikers at the other end who can handle it, as said by others Chris was the main target for such high ball but he had no support. Re Chris not contributing to the game not sure what others were watching but he was the contributor for the goals through his lead up play and did give their defence a visual big distraction which definatley helped. Deeney may run around a lot but like a mad march hare and apart from the dying shot which could have been the match winner, did little else productive in my opinion. Glad to see Hogg and Prince staying in post as I see these 2 becoming a vital spine to our team. Re the OG Mariappa pass back was quick, hard and on target and Scott's mistake to stop was not a good sight for anyone in Yellow to see and both were at fault but these thing's happen and I for one given that the end result was not a loss and a climb up in the table will move on as Scott has saved us games in the last 6 with his goalkeeping and we need to remember that!! Also interesting to see Portsmouth back in the financial dire again, this is what some so called supporters here want to see happen to Watford also, I bet every Portsmouth fan would want a Bassini there instead of their current situation, we should count our blessings for what we have!
stuperman
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9:19am Wed 30 Nov 11
grahamfransen
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9:31am Wed 30 Nov 11
stuperman wrote:Millwall had 9062 mate, and Burnley had just 81 more than us!!
Alex Hillcroft - Agree with nearly all you say (Thought Yeates was OK. Hit bar for Beattie's goal and went close from a free kick), but the fact is that corbindallas and a minority of other posters here seem to have come to accept pretensions to mediocrity and appear happy to accept (and even enjoy) the standards that are presented to us. As a Watford fan for over 50 years I personally find those standards unacceptable and the club is becoming a laughing stock. Lowest championship attendance last night speaks for itself!
stuperman
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9:53am Wed 30 Nov 11
supermikey
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supermikey
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10:04am Wed 30 Nov 11
Alex Hillcroft
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10:06am Wed 30 Nov 11
supermikey wrote:Not appear to be even less talented than 'Useless' Chris when he does start, I suppose
To all the Iwelumo lovers.... Yes, he MAY win the odd ball in the air, he is 6ft 3.... and he may sometimes chests a ball down....... BUT does he ever look like scoring? NO... Does he run his socks off... NO.
What does Deeney have to do to get 90 mins?
WFC4ever
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corbindallas
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Alex Hillcroft
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corbindallas wrote:I think you may have been 'visually distracted' by 'Useless' Chris too! I must admit that I can't understand most of what you are trying to say, but the general gist seems to be that you are quite content with the performance of the team, the manager and the chairman. What an extraordinarily simple person you sound!
Alex, stuperman I do not like or accept mediocre I am just realistic to what we have at the moment and are trying to do the best with it, unlike you and your negative chums, I am supporting our team, our manager and our financial backers. Most thought we would lose last night, just look at the posts from the last game stating so, we did not and could have actually have won it, that for your information is a fact! You want attractive football, but if we did play that style without the pedigree of players needed to do it, you and your chums would be the first to moan about it and I can assure you we would have lost last night playing or should I say trying to play it that way! You state the crowds are not attending because of the style of play, that is utter rubbish, there are a number of factors and the biggest is most just can't afford it at present with unsure futures etc, would you not support Watford because we play a certain style are you that fickle, it is more to do with results I would say? Also as a1derek pointed out his return experience was a good view of the match and as graham fransen point out you fact stats were wrong but then the truth and reality is not really what you and your chums are interested in are you!
Ronny oh Ronny Ronny
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10:56am Wed 30 Nov 11
Bush Hornet
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10:57am Wed 30 Nov 11
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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11:10am Wed 30 Nov 11
henry
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Hornets number 12 fan
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11:12am Wed 30 Nov 11
Bush Hornet wrote:Well said
1 loss in 6. It's a shame people always look for the negatives when the truth is that last night's result was ok. No I'm not settling for mediocrity just reality. If the manager & players were congratulating themselves for last night I'd worry. But they know it could've been 3 pts. So stop undermining individuals with your negative posts.
hate l***n
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12:03pm Wed 30 Nov 11
KL Massive
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12:20pm Wed 30 Nov 11
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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12:23pm Wed 30 Nov 11
Kingswoodhornet
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hate l***n wrote:Well said! To me the point of a forum is to have open discussions with other fans about issues surrounding the club both on and off the field. NOT to use it as a petit finger pointing exercise aimed at digging people out who have the nerve to have differing opinions.
Long time reader, first time poster. I've been a ST holder for 10 years and a supporter for 28 years. I really do believe that we have some of THE most joey fan's on the planet. Reading some of the rubbish on here is cringeworthy and I mainly have a browse just for a laugh but I feel the time has now come to post my own thoughts. This season was always going to be a season of struggle. Our best players have moved on along with our manager to bigger, better supported clubs with better facilities....FACT - Get over it. Sean Dyche is doing the best he can and after a difficult start I believe now he has started to find his feet at this level and again last night, as against Brighton/Millwall/P' Boro' he has done his homework and a point against a team who have just beaten the league leaders is no bad thing. The closing down and pressing and getting in the oppositions faces is begining to reap rewards; This needs this to continue if we are to consolidate this season. Hogg has been a revalation and if we can keep Nosworthy and Kightly until the end of the season I think we could go on a little run. There is nothing to be scared of in the division. My only gripe is at the moment is the lack of younger players coming through. We used to pride ourselves on young, exciting talent coming through but this appears to be slowing down. Hopefully player's like Wichelow and Massey will come good in the near future and will be given a chance to prove themselves. Otherwise keep up the good work of the last few weeks and hopefully some of these pathetic "Fans" will crawl back to where they came from or start supporting someone else.
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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1:32pm Wed 30 Nov 11
Chris the Vic
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1:41pm Wed 30 Nov 11
GrahamTaylor
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1:53pm Wed 30 Nov 11
Terry Dactile
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1:58pm Wed 30 Nov 11
Oracledave
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3:26pm Wed 30 Nov 11
SAHornet
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3:33pm Wed 30 Nov 11
Bush Hornet wrote:But last night's result was NOT ok, Bush. If we don't pick 3 points from our fellow stragglers, we will be relegated and no, that ISN'T ok, I'm afraid
1 loss in 6. It's a shame people always look for the negatives when the truth is that last night's result was ok. No I'm not settling for mediocrity just reality. If the manager & players were congratulating themselves for last night I'd worry. But they know it could've been 3 pts. So stop undermining individuals with your negative posts.
tonupchris
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3:38pm Wed 30 Nov 11
buckler
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6:22pm Wed 30 Nov 11
Eastsussexhornet
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8:15pm Wed 30 Nov 11
buckler
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8:20pm Wed 30 Nov 11
Eastsussexhornet wrote:You must like watching second rate players? Hogg, mariappa ,got a bit of class. The ones mentioned not up to it. Go and watch Brighton!
Who is this "buckler". What's he on? Iwelumo, I'd agree with him on but Yeates played his life out last night and Beattie scored one of the goals for god's sake!
grahamfransen
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10:22am Thu 1 Dec 11
Eastsussexhornet wrote:He is the biggest serial moaner on this forum and delights in winding up real fans, like you and me!
Who is this "buckler". What's he on? Iwelumo, I'd agree with him on but Yeates played his life out last night and Beattie scored one of the goals for god's sake!
Eastsussexhornet
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2:03pm Thu 1 Dec 11
buckler
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Eastsussexhornet wrote:Also a big HERO to fransen!
grahamfransen says... 10:22am Thu 1 Dec 11 Eastsussexhornet wrote: Who is this "buckler". What's he on? Iwelumo, I'd agree with him on but Yeates played his life out last night and Beattie scored one of the goals for god's sake! He is the biggest serial moaner on this forum and delights in winding up real fans, like you and me! He changes his name so often, I think even he has forgotten who he is with his multiple personalities!! For the record, they include FatChap, Weller,Foxton,BaldyS alon,Truefanback,Bas out,Ihatebas,LittleW illie,Iam,thick, and a very few very other apt names!!! Ok, thanks for the tip-off. I won't rise to it in future!
Bush Hornet
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12:42am Fri 2 Dec 11
SAHornet wrote:I admire your long distance passion but the reality is that this run of form IS ok. To be a team that doesn't get beat that much, as in the last 6 games, is a platform to build on. We were really poor. Now we're just ok. Hopefully we'll get better. That's all. Get back to the beach & stop worrying.
Bush Hornet wrote:But last night's result was NOT ok, Bush. If we don't pick 3 points from our fellow stragglers, we will be relegated and no, that ISN'T ok, I'm afraid
1 loss in 6. It's a shame people always look for the negatives when the truth is that last night's result was ok. No I'm not settling for mediocrity just reality. If the manager & players were congratulating themselves for last night I'd worry. But they know it could've been 3 pts. So stop undermining individuals with your negative posts.
grahamfransen
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11:37am Fri 2 Dec 11
Bush Hornet wrote:The last six games have produced play-off form from SD and the boys, but sad old SAH cannot appreciate that all the way from Africa!
SAHornet wrote:I admire your long distance passion but the reality is that this run of form IS ok. To be a team that doesn't get beat that much, as in the last 6 games, is a platform to build on. We were really poor. Now we're just ok. Hopefully we'll get better. That's all. Get back to the beach & stop worrying.Bush Hornet wrote: 1 loss in 6. It's a shame people always look for the negatives when the truth is that last night's result was ok. No I'm not settling for mediocrity just reality. If the manager & players were congratulating themselves for last night I'd worry. But they know it could've been 3 pts. So stop undermining individuals with your negative posts.But last night's result was NOT ok, Bush. If we don't pick 3 points from our fellow stragglers, we will be relegated and no, that ISN'T ok, I'm afraid
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Estuary Hornet says...
10:05pm Tue 29 Nov 11