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Watford lose two-goal lead as Bristol City earn draw

Own goal allows Robins to head home with a point Own goal allows Robins to head home with a point

A horrible moment for Adrian Mariappa and Scott Loach allowed Bristol City to complete a comeback from two goals down and claim a 2-2 draw at Vicarage Road.

The Hornets had looked on course for a fourth straight home win after Carl Dickinson’s stunning 25-yard strike and Craig Beattie’s first for the club put them two goals to the good with four minutes of the first half remaining.

However, Marvin Elliott pulled one back almost immediately and within two minutes of the restart the Robins were level when Mariappa’s innocuous back pass bobbled over Loach’s foot and into the net.

Substitute Troy Deeney nearly snatched a dramatic injury-time winner for the hosts but they had to settle for a second consecutive point as their run extended to one defeat in six matches.

Given that Sean Dyche rated Marvin Sordell as “touch and go” following the ankle injury he sustained at Doncaster Rovers, there was no surprise that he missed out as Beattie came in for the first start since moving on loan from Swansea City.

The Hornets boss also made another change – and it was a significant one. Jonathan Hogg returned after missing the trip to the Keepmoat Stadium due to a one-match suspension but it was John Eustace who dropped to the bench, and not – as some fans might have expected – Prince Buaben.

There was also a return to a place among the replacements following a four-game absence for Joe Garner, while Jack Bonham was again the back-up keeper.

Following an impeccably observed minute’s silence in memory of Wales manager Gary Speed and Private Thomas Lake, the Northwood soldier who died in Afghanistan recently, the first ten minutes were relatively low key, with not a semblance of a chance created.

However, that could have changed in the 11th minute when a lapse in the Hornets defence threatened to let Nicky Maynard through but the striker slipped slightly as Nyron Nosworthy chased back and the potential danger was averted.

But it was the hosts who had the first attempt on goal three minutes later – and they weren’t too far away from taking the lead when Yeates curled a 25-yard free-kick narrowly wide of David James’ near post.

City responded with their first effort soon after, with Neil Kilkenny seeing a cross-shot from the right side of the area deflected out for a corner, which the under pressure Liam Fontaine met with a header that was high and wide.

The match was simmering along nicely as the halfway point of the first half passed but the manner in which the Hornets took the lead after 25 minutes was memorable.

The move began with Beattie breaking forward from the right and finding Michael Kightly, who couldn’t advance with his first touch so laid it back to Dickinson and he took one touch before firing a stunning 25-yard left-footed strike across James and into the far corner.

The Robins tried to respond instantly, with a shot forcing Loach into his first save of the evening, while Fontaine headed a deep cross behind soon after.

The visitors continued to enjoyed a good spell after that, testing Watford’s discipline and defensive organisation, and Loach was forced to make a smart save at his near post to keeper a stinging drive from Albert Adomah, who had been put away on the left by Maynard’s neat flick.

But the game really took off in the final five minutes of the half after Watford had doubled their advantage in rather unusual fashion.

Yeates deserves credit for chancing his arm from distance but James didn’t appear too concerned as the ball approached him, seemingly destined to clear the bar a few feet above his head. However, to the former Hornets keeper’s surprise, the shot dipped very late, rebounded down off the bar and Beattie reacted first to head home his first Watford goal.

Within two minutes of going 2-0 up though, City were back in it as Elliott stretched forward to head Ryan McGivern’s cross from the left past Loach from six yards out.

There was still time for Yeates to have another well-struck goal-bound effort blocked as a first half, which started slowly, finished with the hosts a goal to the good.

But that was wiped out within two minutes of the restart after a horrible moment for Watford when Loach failed to deal with a routine back pass from Mariappa and the ball embarrassingly bounced over his foot to end up in the back of the Hornets net to make it 2-2.

Unsurprisingly, the two players involved came in for plenty of stick from the visiting fans in the following minutes and the Hornets did look rattled for a while, but they started to threaten again after the hour-mark.

First, James was not unduly troubled by Beattie’s downward header from a Yeates cross, although the former England stopper did require treatment for a knee problem moments later, before Kightly did very well to get beyond Cole Skuse and reach the by-line and stand up a cross beyond the back post, which Beattie headed back towards the target but the wrong side of the upright.

Back came City, with Adamoah hitting a half-volley from the right angle of the area across goal and narrowly wide of the far post and then Loach had to save at his near post after the dangerous wing man had set up Maynard.

Robins boss Derek McInnes made the first change on 66 minutes, replacing Stephen Pearson with Martyn Woolford, but Dyche quickly followed suit as Beattie made way for Deeney.

The match ebbed back Watford’s way as Kightly curled an effort from outside the 18-yard box wide and James saved comfortably from another Yeates effort, but in between times they looked to have a strong appeal for a penalty turned down when Deeney cleared appeared to be having his shirt pulled at a corner.

City made two more changes in the final ten minutes but neither side created a clear opening until the fourth minute of injury time when a Lee Hodson cross was chested by Deeney to Buaben, who laid it back to the substitute and he hit a shot on the turn from 16 yards out inches wide of the far post.

Watford: Loach; Hodson, Nosworthy, Mariappa, Dickinson; Yeates, Hogg, Buaben, Kightly; Beattie (Deeney 68), Iwelumo. Not used: Eustace, Mirfin, Garner and Bonham.

Bristol City: James; Skuse, Fontaine, Nyatanga (Wilson 90), McGivern; Elliott, Cisse (Pitman 84), Kilkenny; Admoah, Maynard, Pearson (Woolford 66). Not used: Bolasie and Gerken.

Bookings: Iwelumo for persistent fouling (84).

Attendance: 12,418.

Referee: Scott Mathieson.

Comments(73)

Estuary Hornet says...
10:05pm Tue 29 Nov 11

Taxi For Mr. Loach! 2 points down the drain

radlettman says...
10:12pm Tue 29 Nov 11

Absolute 2nd half drivel..... Bristol City by far the superior team..... THEY PLAYED FOOTBALL ...... they could pass, they played along the ground, had ideas how to turn things around. We were pathetic - Dyche has no idea how to tactically change things.... what is the point og hoofing high balls into the box only for the tall Bristol City defenders to easily cut out each attempt. This was a reality check tonight .... Dickenson may have scored but as a defender he's easily exposed....

Thw witing is back on the wall .... and lets see where Bristol City end up - from them really entertaining football. From us pure dross

Feff says...
10:15pm Tue 29 Nov 11

Surely Deeney is a better bet than Iwelumo to score goals. Bad mistake by Loach but, sadly, we haven't got a better keeper. Remember how Foster saved us. We need another Foster on loan - NOW.

Berks Horn says...
10:21pm Tue 29 Nov 11

Not loach's fault. Terrible bobble, not a great ball from Mapps who was himself given a bad pass.

All in all not a bad game at all against a side who are much better than their league position suggests.

Johnny Ryden says...
10:21pm Tue 29 Nov 11

Loach doesn't surprise anyone any more, his mistakes are consistent and predictable. What is surprising is why the Manager sticks with him?

Hornet23 says...
10:25pm Tue 29 Nov 11

Scott has been solid since he's come back into the team, just a horrible moment for him although Mariappa hit it too hard and straight at goal which is a definate no no! Awful football from us, what has Troy got to do to get a start? I'm sure Big Chris is a lovely bloke and encourages the team but he's a very bad footballer. Does well with some knock downs but I'm sorry, Troy can win his fair share in the air but can also run, close down, tackle and actually manages shots on goal!

Feff says...
10:29pm Tue 29 Nov 11

The Manager sticks with Loach because he hasn't got anyone better. What I do not understand is why we are playing hoofball again. After Boothroyd had gone we did try to play the ball on the ground under the next two managers. Now all we do is balloon the ball into the air again and hope Iwelumo might get there. He doesn't and never will.

strummerjoe says...
10:35pm Tue 29 Nov 11

Feff wrote:
The Manager sticks with Loach because he hasn't got anyone better. What I do not understand is why we are playing hoofball again. After Boothroyd had gone we did try to play the ball on the ground under the next two managers. Now all we do is balloon the ball into the air again and hope Iwelumo might get there. He doesn't and never will.
He generally does get there, there is just never anyone on the end of his knockdowns.

Stoney77 says...
10:38pm Tue 29 Nov 11

I think we played hoofball tonight because Bristol City came and stuck 5 men in Midfield, and to be honest it worked quite well until we had a lapse in concentration after scoring (not Dyche's fault) and then one of those horrible moments of baad luck that happen every now and again (not Dyche's fault). We dropped points in unfortunate circumstances tonight and dont get me wrong i am gutted but its one loss in 6 which isnt all that bad guys......

buckler says...
10:39pm Tue 29 Nov 11

Berks Horn wrote:
Not loach's fault. Terrible bobble, not a great ball from Mapps who was himself given a bad pass. All in all not a bad game at all against a side who are much better than their league position suggests.
Dont talk rubbish! it was a routine back pass that a school kid would have dealt with. How can anyone stick up for a so called pro keeper is beyond me. Total liability who costs us points all the time with his shoddy keeping!

There was only one Scully says...
10:48pm Tue 29 Nov 11

radlettman wrote:
Absolute 2nd half drivel..... Bristol City by far the superior team..... THEY PLAYED FOOTBALL ...... they could pass, they played along the ground, had ideas how to turn things around. We were pathetic - Dyche has no idea how to tactically change things.... what is the point og hoofing high balls into the box only for the tall Bristol City defenders to easily cut out each attempt. This was a reality check tonight .... Dickenson may have scored but as a defender he's easily exposed....

Thw witing is back on the wall .... and lets see where Bristol City end up - from them really entertaining football. From us pure dross
After the farcical goal we lost a bit of confidence which my friend bought them back into the game.
Errors like that do not inspire team confidence and our heads went down. Of course we then made them look good, but I will say up until that moment City were second best especially first half.
I can still only remember them having one other shot late in the game which, thankfully Loach saved.
If possession counts for superiority then, second half City were the better team.
Yes it was a reality check and a game we can learn a lot from.
What ever happened to Calamity James?

Hornet Cornet says...
10:49pm Tue 29 Nov 11

My pet tortoise wouldve done better with that backpass.

Loach is rubbish, Dyche is rubbish, Bent Baz is rubbish. Taxi for the lot of them.

WFC4ever says...
10:50pm Tue 29 Nov 11

I have to say a draw was probably fair as although we got 2 decent goals Bristol City looked more lively albeit we gifted them both goals (Loach "cough")

Hogg and Kightly were very good whilst the defence again delt well with Maynard and co.

Pleased for Beattie to get his goal but not very convinced by him.

Deeney looked lively I though.

2 points thrown away to an extent but not sure we actually would have deserved the win.

Hornets number 12 fan says...
10:52pm Tue 29 Nov 11

Normal service has been resumed by the moaners on here I see!

stuegs says...
10:54pm Tue 29 Nov 11

Firstly, Buckler, everyone is entitled to make mistakes. Even Tiger Woods gets bogeys, messi misses sitters, etc etc. The best in the world make mistakes, not a problem just bad luck, you can't blame anyone for that, let's just hope it evens out.

We have a hardworking midfield, hogg doesn't stop running, prince presses well, kightly has quality, yeates is a bit ropey, the problem is our strikers don't show for the ball. The gap is too big between midfield and attack, no one runs into the channels and the ball never gets played into space. So we ended up running out of ideas and hoofing or passing back to a defender or loach and they hoof it. Chris wins a few headers, but the other striker is never close enough to pick up any of these flick ons.

We rarely get behind the oppositions back line, we rarely get on the end of through balls and we don't have enough shots .

Having said that, I do think we have a good enough team to stay in this league

bonserout says...
10:56pm Tue 29 Nov 11

We looked very good when we used the wings. kightley and to a lesser extent Yates both attacked the defence but I have to say that Big Chris brings absolutely nothing to the team. He does the odd' chest down' but other than that he looks totally out of place at even ths level. I am not a great fan of Deeney , but at least he runs about.
Apart from that I thought it was about the right result against a team who stuffed the league leaders on Saturday.

buckler says...
11:02pm Tue 29 Nov 11

stuegs wrote:
Firstly, Buckler, everyone is entitled to make mistakes. Even Tiger Woods gets bogeys, messi misses sitters, etc etc. The best in the world make mistakes, not a problem just bad luck, you can't blame anyone for that, let's just hope it evens out. We have a hardworking midfield, hogg doesn't stop running, prince presses well, kightly has quality, yeates is a bit ropey, the problem is our strikers don't show for the ball. The gap is too big between midfield and attack, no one runs into the channels and the ball never gets played into space. So we ended up running out of ideas and hoofing or passing back to a defender or loach and they hoof it. Chris wins a few headers, but the other striker is never close enough to pick up any of these flick ons. We rarely get behind the oppositions back line, we rarely get on the end of through balls and we don't have enough shots . Having said that, I do think we have a good enough team to stay in this league
Good keepers dont make the ammount of mistakes that clown makes-Fact! I will and have blamed him 100%. The slow strikeforce is a total joke too as are Dyches tactics! 2 poor teams.

stevemag says...
11:07pm Tue 29 Nov 11

I can hear the old excused for loach along the lines of 'he's young', 'he's improving of late'.

Fact is despite recent clean sheets he doesn't come for some crosses, he doesn't always catch routine crosses and he let's too many long goals in.

I thought with the first city goal he should have come for the ball, yet again tho he had bags of cement in his socks.

We need a consistent performer and someone with butter fingers and hopeless positioning isn't the answer.

sceptic says...
11:11pm Tue 29 Nov 11

Everybody is praising the Robins for neat play and possession but luckily for us they make 12 passes when 6 or 7 would suffice. Vialli would have loved them!

radlettman says...
11:14pm Tue 29 Nov 11

And Mr Loach reads or is aware of the comments here. He's justed tweeted about the earlier / first comment about "taxi for Mr Loach ". But to be fair to the guy he has also held his hands up and said it wasn't a bobble on the pitch but his mistake. So well done to the guy - at least he is honest and I respect that.... having at times been critical in the past. As Loach has said .... lets concentrate on Saturday.....!!!!

stuegs says...
11:16pm Tue 29 Nov 11

Granted, loach is pretty ****, but I would much rather sort out our problems when we have the ball, first.

jasonwatford says...
11:18pm Tue 29 Nov 11

As i have said forever Scott Loach is a liability.....Waste of space....fans cant stand him...defenders dont trust him...girlfriend wants to dump him...mum and dad dont answer his calls....why do we have to watch this clown for rest of the season...loach to go end of season along with chamberlain and then for us to start a fresh. 2 points dropped due to him.

radlettman says...
11:18pm Tue 29 Nov 11

sceptic wrote:
Everybody is praising the Robins for neat play and possession but luckily for us they make 12 passes when 6 or 7 would suffice. Vialli would have loved them!
But at least they pass and can string passes together unlike a team I come to watch. Last time I saw such a passing team at the Vic was last year when Swansea visited and look what happened to them!! Lets hoof out the hoof ball.

WFC4ever says...
11:32pm Tue 29 Nov 11

Good poinr.

City didn't actually test Loach that much considering he would have been low on confidence.

Thought we had the better chances actually.

LoveKeithDublin says...
12:05am Wed 30 Nov 11

Beattie and Big Chris - surely the most one dimensional and slowest strike force of all time!

Big Chris looks like he talks a good game, always in the ear of the other players and so on, but Troy showed more guile in 10 minutes than Big Chris has shown in 5 games.

I was pretty gutted to have paid 25 quid just watching us pump it in the air to Beattie and Big Chris.

radlettman says...
12:21am Wed 30 Nov 11

LoveKeithDublin wrote:
Beattie and Big Chris - surely the most one dimensional and slowest strike force of all time!

Big Chris looks like he talks a good game, always in the ear of the other players and so on, but Troy showed more guile in 10 minutes than Big Chris has shown in 5 games.

I was pretty gutted to have paid 25 quid just watching us pump it in the air to Beattie and Big Chris.
I was also pretty gutted to see it pumped in the air ..... AND then cut out by the strong Bristol City defenders. Totally useless......

blokey says...
12:42am Wed 30 Nov 11

City played 'pretty ' football ? it may have been pretty, but almost completely sideways & backwards. Loads of possession, but repeatedly they were forced into passing it back to their keeper instead of playing it up to their strikers, due to their rigid instructions to play it on the floor no matter what. They were like a Ray Wilkins coached team & we stopped them playing.

This wasnt a bad performance by us but it was littered with unforced errors the worst of which was the og of course.

Do not forget that City beat the league leaders Saturday & other than the silly og, we would have beaten them tonight & deservedly. Another point & another position up the table.

One defeat in six, shows that we do not need to 'sack the manager' or 'drop half the team'. We are heading for mid table with pragmatic football & we wont see anything expansive as we dont have the players to do it.

Hogg is the man who is making this happen. I hope a club like WBA or Swansea do not come in for him after xmas.

I do not like Big Chris much as a player, but he does a job for us & we are moving up the table, so it cant be completely wrong to have him there.

Dyche is actually showing that he can get it right with limited resources & deserves credit

PurpleRalph says...
12:57am Wed 30 Nov 11

Iwelumo and Beattie reminded me of Mick Quinn and Devon White - ie ****.

Hogg was great, Nosworthy was great, Loach was unlucky,

Everyone else fair to middling except

Deeny

who has nice glow in the dark boots but just runs around a lot and is **** really.

He reminds me of Jamie Hand. He used to run around a lot too and was utter **** ( he now plays for Lootown - who of course are total ****)

Bazini was in the Directors box. Did he look Ill? - Did he ****.

jimbuctu says...
1:01am Wed 30 Nov 11

I haven't been as much as usual this season, and tonight only served to reminded me why I made that decision. You'd think a 2-2 draw would have been worth watching but it really wasn't.

The comedy value of watching professionals (who kick a ball around all day) booting fresh air and heading it to each other via the Rous roof was about the only value I got for my £25. Dickinsons goal was a peach but overall I have to question the coaching staff. Anyone who's played the game knows that when you play simple football you create more chances, and because you've got the ball the opposition can't score. We did it a couple of times towards the end and guess what - it worked!

It's easy to see the hoofing is a strategy and I think it does a dis-service to some good players we have on our books. Hogg, Yeates, Kightly, Buaben and even the full backs can all play - please stop kicking it over all their heads and let them Sean, or the attendances will keep tumbling because that was complete and utter dross.

Scott - if you are reading this pass it on eh mate. It'll make up for the error!

SAHornet says...
5:17am Wed 30 Nov 11

jimbuctu wrote:
I haven't been as much as usual this season, and tonight only served to reminded me why I made that decision. You'd think a 2-2 draw would have been worth watching but it really wasn't.

The comedy value of watching professionals (who kick a ball around all day) booting fresh air and heading it to each other via the Rous roof was about the only value I got for my £25. Dickinsons goal was a peach but overall I have to question the coaching staff. Anyone who's played the game knows that when you play simple football you create more chances, and because you've got the ball the opposition can't score. We did it a couple of times towards the end and guess what - it worked!

It's easy to see the hoofing is a strategy and I think it does a dis-service to some good players we have on our books. Hogg, Yeates, Kightly, Buaben and even the full backs can all play - please stop kicking it over all their heads and let them Sean, or the attendances will keep tumbling because that was complete and utter dross.

Scott - if you are reading this pass it on eh mate. It'll make up for the error!
This says it all. An insightful post and an accurate commentary on our footie under Dyche. I'm now convinced that a reasonably experienced manager (not necessarily an expensive one) could shape the players we've already got into a coherent unit.

a1derek says...
7:38am Wed 30 Nov 11

I decided to trundle along for my first game of the season last nightand fortunately got my tickets in advance so only paid £10, which is about what it was worth. I quite enjoyed the game but talking to people who have been regularly this season the decision to leave the ST this year appears to be a reasonable one.
What did I think of my first "live" game this season?
I thought we made far better chances than City and probably should have won the game. The defence actually looked very good for the most part. Their first goal was a superb cross although we went AWOL down the right to let them in. The scond City goal, well, unlucky, apart from that Loach had a good game with a couple of decent stops and he did pretty well with crosses! (IMHO).
Hogg and the Prince, superb, very good indeed as was Kightly, clearly Prem class if a little greedy on the ball. On the whole I thought we played some half decent football, but when it broke down or there was nothing on it was hoofed a little too much, but it did seem to me "mix and match".
I think the reasonm we had to hoof is the complete lack of pace up front, there was little movement and it was only when we could get Kightly or a full back wide that we had any chance of building something creatively.
We desperately need some pace and/or guile up front. I know that comes expensive, but it is my assessment of what's missing.
Big Chris was awful, Beattie slightly better and I cannot see why Yeates is in the side, he gave nothing and is very slow indeed! accept we probably missed Sordell last night, but it looked to me like we are crying out for some young, quick blood up front, maybe a few games for Murray and Massey when he comes back.
Overall though enjoyed my night out, now...second half ST??? Probably not, I think I'll hang on till next season.

grahamfransen says...
8:26am Wed 30 Nov 11

strummerjoe wrote:
Feff wrote: The Manager sticks with Loach because he hasn't got anyone better. What I do not understand is why we are playing hoofball again. After Boothroyd had gone we did try to play the ball on the ground under the next two managers. Now all we do is balloon the ball into the air again and hope Iwelumo might get there. He doesn't and never will.
He generally does get there, there is just never anyone on the end of his knockdowns.
Check the stats with Iwelumo in the team!

No more to be said!

grahamfransen says...
8:34am Wed 30 Nov 11

There was only one Scully wrote:
radlettman wrote: Absolute 2nd half drivel..... Bristol City by far the superior team..... THEY PLAYED FOOTBALL ...... they could pass, they played along the ground, had ideas how to turn things around. We were pathetic - Dyche has no idea how to tactically change things.... what is the point og hoofing high balls into the box only for the tall Bristol City defenders to easily cut out each attempt. This was a reality check tonight .... Dickenson may have scored but as a defender he's easily exposed.... Thw witing is back on the wall .... and lets see where Bristol City end up - from them really entertaining football. From us pure dross
After the farcical goal we lost a bit of confidence which my friend bought them back into the game. Errors like that do not inspire team confidence and our heads went down. Of course we then made them look good, but I will say up until that moment City were second best especially first half. I can still only remember them having one other shot late in the game which, thankfully Loach saved. If possession counts for superiority then, second half City were the better team. Yes it was a reality check and a game we can learn a lot from. What ever happened to Calamity James?
Calamity James was as badly at fault with Yeates' shot for our second goal, as Loach was for City's second!!

But it is Loach getting all of the headlines, sad to say!

Nevertheless, he is made of sterner stuff these days, as his team-mates continually say, and he will bounce back to the impressive form he has shown for most of the season!

grahamfransen says...
8:39am Wed 30 Nov 11

radlettman wrote:
sceptic wrote: Everybody is praising the Robins for neat play and possession but luckily for us they make 12 passes when 6 or 7 would suffice. Vialli would have loved them!
But at least they pass and can string passes together unlike a team I come to watch. Last time I saw such a passing team at the Vic was last year when Swansea visited and look what happened to them!! Lets hoof out the hoof ball.
No mate, it was Donny!!

So what happens? They sack their talented manager!!

Still trying to pass the ball, but bottom of the league, and they can pass their way all day back into Division One!!

corbindallas says...
8:41am Wed 30 Nov 11

Really mixed review of the game which show's that it is difficult to get it right for all. I for one thought it was an interesting game, considering the majority thought we were in for a tough game prior it was nice to see us 2-0 up, which was my score prediction, but then they scored and were obviously gifted a goal through gross human error. A few point's for reflection, BC had set up a 5 against our 2 midfield thus the hoof ball tactic was to supposedly cut out the midfield, this was mixed with both ground play and would be a good option against such better midfield if we had strikers at the other end who can handle it, as said by others Chris was the main target for such high ball but he had no support. Re Chris not contributing to the game not sure what others were watching but he was the contributor for the goals through his lead up play and did give their defence a visual big distraction which definatley helped. Deeney may run around a lot but like a mad march hare and apart from the dying shot which could have been the match winner, did little else productive in my opinion. Glad to see Hogg and Prince staying in post as I see these 2 becoming a vital spine to our team. Re the OG Mariappa pass back was quick, hard and on target and Scott's mistake to stop was not a good sight for anyone in Yellow to see and both were at fault but these thing's happen and I for one given that the end result was not a loss and a climb up in the table will move on as Scott has saved us games in the last 6 with his goalkeeping and we need to remember that!! Also interesting to see Portsmouth back in the financial dire again, this is what some so called supporters here want to see happen to Watford also, I bet every Portsmouth fan would want a Bassini there instead of their current situation, we should count our blessings for what we have!

Ruislip Defender says...
8:44am Wed 30 Nov 11

Anyone who comes on here and support Loach is living in a dream world. The guy is a total liability and has cost us countless goals ever since he first played for the club. he has no commoand of his box, never comes off his line and the defence have no confidence in hime.

As for the way the team play, hoofball to strikers who never win the ball in the air and never will.

There was no atmosphere again last night, the game was terrible and how 4 goals were scored is amazing. The crowd will get less and less unless we try to play football on the floor. Everybody knows we lost our best players so expectations are low but at least try to entertain and the crowd will respond

stuperman says...
8:46am Wed 30 Nov 11

Thought the 10 men of Watford did OK. Loachey made yet another ricket, but I've come to expect that and I'm sure SD budgets for his mistakes when he selects him. Nosworthy and Hogg (again) were good enough and good to see Beattie getting on the scoresheet. I just don't understand why we bring a plank of wood on to the pitch with us and drape it in a number 10 shirt. Surely we'd be better utilising a footballer and then we could have 11 men like the other teams.

grahamfransen says...
8:57am Wed 30 Nov 11

Ruislip Defender wrote:
Anyone who comes on here and support Loach is living in a dream world. The guy is a total liability and has cost us countless goals ever since he first played for the club. he has no commoand of his box, never comes off his line and the defence have no confidence in hime. As for the way the team play, hoofball to strikers who never win the ball in the air and never will. There was no atmosphere again last night, the game was terrible and how 4 goals were scored is amazing. The crowd will get less and less unless we try to play football on the floor. Everybody knows we lost our best players so expectations are low but at least try to entertain and the crowd will respond
You obviously have not been a Watford fan very long then?

We have always played the "long-ball" game, and all of our successes have come thru this method, even with the legendary GT!!

Starting with Cliff Holton in 1960, thru the likes of Livesey, Endean, Garbett, Jenkins, Blissett, Falco, White, Johnston, Reilly, Henderson, King, etc.

Even Malky played this way last season, and is now doing similarly at Cardiff!

Except for a purple patch around Xmas and the New Year last season when we had the likes of Mutch, Taylor, Graham, and Buckley firing on all cylinders, the football was the same!

I seem to recall Malky winning only 4 of his last 23 games before doing his treacerous runner, with all of our staff and players!

The only difference last season was Graham's fantastic 27 goals, otherwise we would have been releagted last May!!

Alex Hillcroft says...
8:58am Wed 30 Nov 11

Awful match, awful atmosphere - fans can no longer even muster the enthusiasm to boo at the final whistle!
Loache's failure to come for the cross (headed in at the back post from inside his six yard area!) for the first goal was arguably as big a blunder as his air kick.
Also, can anyone explain why, with a few minutes to go, Nosworthy wasn't coming up for corners?
And Yeates? Why?

Alex Hillcroft says...
9:06am Wed 30 Nov 11

corbindallas wrote:
Really mixed review of the game which show's that it is difficult to get it right for all. I for one thought it was an interesting game, considering the majority thought we were in for a tough game prior it was nice to see us 2-0 up, which was my score prediction, but then they scored and were obviously gifted a goal through gross human error. A few point's for reflection, BC had set up a 5 against our 2 midfield thus the hoof ball tactic was to supposedly cut out the midfield, this was mixed with both ground play and would be a good option against such better midfield if we had strikers at the other end who can handle it, as said by others Chris was the main target for such high ball but he had no support. Re Chris not contributing to the game not sure what others were watching but he was the contributor for the goals through his lead up play and did give their defence a visual big distraction which definatley helped. Deeney may run around a lot but like a mad march hare and apart from the dying shot which could have been the match winner, did little else productive in my opinion. Glad to see Hogg and Prince staying in post as I see these 2 becoming a vital spine to our team. Re the OG Mariappa pass back was quick, hard and on target and Scott's mistake to stop was not a good sight for anyone in Yellow to see and both were at fault but these thing's happen and I for one given that the end result was not a loss and a climb up in the table will move on as Scott has saved us games in the last 6 with his goalkeeping and we need to remember that!! Also interesting to see Portsmouth back in the financial dire again, this is what some so called supporters here want to see happen to Watford also, I bet every Portsmouth fan would want a Bassini there instead of their current situation, we should count our blessings for what we have!
Iwelumo "did give their defence a visual big distraction"???!!! A 20ft inflatable father christmas in the middle of the pitch would have a similarly 'visually distracting' impact - and probably contribute more to the game Big 'Useless' Chris.
As for your "count our blessings" comment - yuk!

stuperman says...
9:19am Wed 30 Nov 11

Alex Hillcroft - Agree with nearly all you say (Thought Yeates was OK. Hit bar for Beattie's goal and went close from a free kick), but the fact is that corbindallas and a minority of other posters here seem to have come to accept pretensions to mediocrity and appear happy to accept (and even enjoy) the standards that are presented to us. As a Watford fan for over 50 years I personally find those standards unacceptable and the club is becoming a laughing stock. Lowest championship attendance last night speaks for itself!

grahamfransen says...
9:31am Wed 30 Nov 11

stuperman wrote:
Alex Hillcroft - Agree with nearly all you say (Thought Yeates was OK. Hit bar for Beattie's goal and went close from a free kick), but the fact is that corbindallas and a minority of other posters here seem to have come to accept pretensions to mediocrity and appear happy to accept (and even enjoy) the standards that are presented to us. As a Watford fan for over 50 years I personally find those standards unacceptable and the club is becoming a laughing stock. Lowest championship attendance last night speaks for itself!
Millwall had 9062 mate, and Burnley had just 81 more than us!!

And of course, Donny, Barnsley, Peterboro, Coventry and Pompey were not at home!

It is great what negative "spin" whingers like you can put on things!!

If you really have been supporting WFC for over 50 years as you say, you should be ashamed of your comments!!

There have been far more worse Watford teams than the current one, and most of them did not have to compete in the fifth highest supported division in Europe!!

The Championship now is on a par with the old FIrst Division, when we finished runner-up to Liverpool in the eighties!

So take your blinkers off, and start supporting SD and the boys as they seek to keep us competitive in a very strong league of big clubs, with much larger attendances and resources than we have!!

stuperman says...
9:53am Wed 30 Nov 11

There you go Graham. Happy with mediocrity. Takes all types I suppose!

supermikey says...
9:56am Wed 30 Nov 11

The second goal, has been coming a long time from Loach but the FIRST goal was more of a terrible goalkeeping error. the ball get crossed in, within the 6 yard line and Loach just is standing on his line and makes the wrong decision, as usual, to watch it and not claim it. We were cruising up to then and for me, that cost us the game.

supermikey says...
10:04am Wed 30 Nov 11

To all the Iwelumo lovers.... Yes, he MAY win the odd ball in the air, he is 6ft 3.... and he may sometimes chests a ball down....... BUT does he ever look like scoring? NO... Does he run his socks off... NO.

What does Deeney have to do to get 90 mins?

Alex Hillcroft says...
10:06am Wed 30 Nov 11

supermikey wrote:
To all the Iwelumo lovers.... Yes, he MAY win the odd ball in the air, he is 6ft 3.... and he may sometimes chests a ball down....... BUT does he ever look like scoring? NO... Does he run his socks off... NO.

What does Deeney have to do to get 90 mins?
Not appear to be even less talented than 'Useless' Chris when he does start, I suppose

WFC4ever says...
10:17am Wed 30 Nov 11

Big Chris must be the slowest 32 year old around!

He has the pace of somebody aged 82 with a bad hip which why when we lump the ball up its pretty ineffective because he and the other one paced strikers we have don't have the ability to make quick runs or knock the ball down.

We'd be better playing the ball to feet more allowing the midfield to push forward...if they can manage to do that.

BTW Millwall had a a lower crowd but guess that isn't saying much.

corbindallas says...
10:19am Wed 30 Nov 11

Alex, stuperman I do not like or accept mediocre I am just realistic to what we have at the moment and are trying to do the best with it, unlike you and your negative chums, I am supporting our team, our manager and our financial backers. Most thought we would lose last night, just look at the posts from the last game stating so, we did not and could have actually have won it, that for your information is a fact! You want attractive football, but if we did play that style without the pedigree of players needed to do it, you and your chums would be the first to moan about it and I can assure you we would have lost last night playing or should I say trying to play it that way! You state the crowds are not attending because of the style of play, that is utter rubbish, there are a number of factors and the biggest is most just can't afford it at present with unsure futures etc, would you not support Watford because we play a certain style are you that fickle, it is more to do with results I would say? Also as a1derek pointed out his return experience was a good view of the match and as graham fransen point out you fact stats were wrong but then the truth and reality is not really what you and your chums are interested in are you!

Alex Hillcroft says...
10:36am Wed 30 Nov 11

corbindallas wrote:
Alex, stuperman I do not like or accept mediocre I am just realistic to what we have at the moment and are trying to do the best with it, unlike you and your negative chums, I am supporting our team, our manager and our financial backers. Most thought we would lose last night, just look at the posts from the last game stating so, we did not and could have actually have won it, that for your information is a fact! You want attractive football, but if we did play that style without the pedigree of players needed to do it, you and your chums would be the first to moan about it and I can assure you we would have lost last night playing or should I say trying to play it that way! You state the crowds are not attending because of the style of play, that is utter rubbish, there are a number of factors and the biggest is most just can't afford it at present with unsure futures etc, would you not support Watford because we play a certain style are you that fickle, it is more to do with results I would say? Also as a1derek pointed out his return experience was a good view of the match and as graham fransen point out you fact stats were wrong but then the truth and reality is not really what you and your chums are interested in are you!
I think you may have been 'visually distracted' by 'Useless' Chris too! I must admit that I can't understand most of what you are trying to say, but the general gist seems to be that you are quite content with the performance of the team, the manager and the chairman. What an extraordinarily simple person you sound!

Ronny oh Ronny Ronny says...
10:56am Wed 30 Nov 11

I've seen it back and loach actually moves away from his goal like he should, awful pass from mapps and straight at the goal - schoolboy error.

Foster made many more mistakes, we should get behind Scott, he is a confidence player.

Coyhs

Bush Hornet says...
10:57am Wed 30 Nov 11

1 loss in 6. It's a shame people always look for the negatives when the truth is that last night's result was ok. No I'm not settling for mediocrity just reality. If the manager & players were congratulating themselves for last night I'd worry. But they know it could've been 3 pts. So stop undermining individuals with your negative posts.

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...
11:10am Wed 30 Nov 11

corbindallas, fransen, ronny ...spot on ! We'd all like to be battling for a play-off spot but the financial odds are against us. Don't understand why Garner has dropped so far down the list of preferred strikers ? Wouldn't he be a logical choice alongside one of the big guys when we know sordell is out ? he seems to have been frozen out....

henry says...
11:10am Wed 30 Nov 11

Anyone notice the announcement of Bristol City's losses in the last 3 years - total 27 million due apparently to excessive wages. The economics of the madhouse. Our club has already undertaken the pruning that will hopefully keep us viable so let's give some credit for that and try to be realistic in our expectations. Others will have to follow......
The defence is now doing well, the midfield is competitive and improving, the widemen ok but we have failed to score in NINE league matches this season. This is where the problem lies on the field. Apart from Big Chris whose failings are thoroughly examined above, the rest of the strikers have all in the past been described as pacy and aggressive. Being coached onfield by Big Chris who has his own performance problems and by a coaching team that does not include anyone with experience playing as a forward is not bringing about the required improvement. I think Beattie, Forsyth and Deeney have potential as well as Marvin - plenty of running is being done but not to much effect. How about getting a forward's coach to help out ?

Hornets number 12 fan says...
11:12am Wed 30 Nov 11

Bush Hornet wrote:
1 loss in 6. It's a shame people always look for the negatives when the truth is that last night's result was ok. No I'm not settling for mediocrity just reality. If the manager & players were congratulating themselves for last night I'd worry. But they know it could've been 3 pts. So stop undermining individuals with your negative posts.
Well said

hate l***n says...
12:03pm Wed 30 Nov 11

Long time reader, first time poster. I've been a ST holder for 10 years and a supporter for 28 years.

I really do believe that we have some of THE most joey fan's on the planet.

Reading some of the rubbish on here is cringeworthy and I mainly have a browse just for a laugh but I feel the time has now come to post my own thoughts.

This season was always going to be a season of struggle. Our best players have moved on along with our manager to bigger, better supported clubs with better facilities....FACT - Get over it. Sean Dyche is doing the best he can and after a difficult start I believe now he has started to find his feet at this level and again last night, as against Brighton/Millwall/P'
Boro' he has done his homework and a point against a team who have just beaten the league leaders is no bad thing. The closing down and pressing and getting in the oppositions faces is begining to reap rewards; This needs this to continue if we are to consolidate this season.

Hogg has been a revalation and if we can keep Nosworthy and Kightly until the end of the season I think we could go on a little run. There is nothing to be scared of in the division.

My only gripe is at the moment is the lack of younger players coming through. We used to pride ourselves on young, exciting talent coming through but this appears to be slowing down. Hopefully player's like Wichelow and Massey will come good in the near future and will be given a chance to prove themselves.

Otherwise keep up the good work of the last few weeks and hopefully some of these pathetic "Fans" will crawl back to where they came from or start supporting someone else.

KL Massive says...
12:20pm Wed 30 Nov 11

wow - a thread with an almost even balance of moaners and 'clappers'. For me I enjoyed the game and feel Watford did just enough to earn three points...how do you legislate for that og?
Yes CW does frustrate me and Dickinson is left wanting sometimes in a defensive situation BUT this is our Watford team and I am starting to quite like them.
Bristol are supposedly a good team but we were at least a match for them yet many on here are never happy unless we win.
Get real.

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...
12:23pm Wed 30 Nov 11

Can you name another club with as small a following that has remained in the top 2 leagues for the last dozen years ? Excluding any that are artificially funded like Wigan.....As a set of supporters we have been spoilt. Long may it continue.

Kingswoodhornet says...
1:10pm Wed 30 Nov 11

hate l***n wrote:
Long time reader, first time poster. I've been a ST holder for 10 years and a supporter for 28 years. I really do believe that we have some of THE most joey fan's on the planet. Reading some of the rubbish on here is cringeworthy and I mainly have a browse just for a laugh but I feel the time has now come to post my own thoughts. This season was always going to be a season of struggle. Our best players have moved on along with our manager to bigger, better supported clubs with better facilities....FACT - Get over it. Sean Dyche is doing the best he can and after a difficult start I believe now he has started to find his feet at this level and again last night, as against Brighton/Millwall/P' Boro' he has done his homework and a point against a team who have just beaten the league leaders is no bad thing. The closing down and pressing and getting in the oppositions faces is begining to reap rewards; This needs this to continue if we are to consolidate this season. Hogg has been a revalation and if we can keep Nosworthy and Kightly until the end of the season I think we could go on a little run. There is nothing to be scared of in the division. My only gripe is at the moment is the lack of younger players coming through. We used to pride ourselves on young, exciting talent coming through but this appears to be slowing down. Hopefully player's like Wichelow and Massey will come good in the near future and will be given a chance to prove themselves. Otherwise keep up the good work of the last few weeks and hopefully some of these pathetic "Fans" will crawl back to where they came from or start supporting someone else.
Well said! To me the point of a forum is to have open discussions with other fans about issues surrounding the club both on and off the field. NOT to use it as a petit finger pointing exercise aimed at digging people out who have the nerve to have differing opinions.

Like you I've trawled through reading some interesting posts and also the normal drivel. What I found interesting was what people thought about BC's first goal. To me it looked like a combination of a very good cross and a good finish from them and a bit of suspect defending and goal keeping from us. What occured to me though was if we were the attacking team who would put in a cross like that and who would have had the hunger in our team to get in the box to finish like that? I really can't see David James being rooted to the spot the way Loach was either.
I was gutted last night to have thrown away a two goal lead but earlier on in the season we wouldn't have mustered two goals at home. At least we got something out of the game after all they beat Southampton on Saturday and I'd have taken a draw before the game. Yes we threw away the lead in frustrating circumstances but lets move on and hopefully add to Ipswich's misery on Saturday!
COYH

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...
1:32pm Wed 30 Nov 11

Massive game vs ipswich, esp with 3 difficult games to follow. Hopefully the crowd will be on their back, which will help us,.... as long as we don't fall behind.

Chris the Vic says...
1:41pm Wed 30 Nov 11

I was at the game not sure all contributors were.
First BC goal was created by a good move and the BC player getting in front of Dickinson. Before that they had two headers
where they outjumped and out thought our defence.

Turning then to Loach...the own goal it may have bobbled but he was over confident, had time and did not get behind it and yeas Adrian didnt have to hit it quite so hard or in that exact direction and he must shoulder a little blame.
The main blame lies with Loach and as for his distribution, lumping it up to Beattie for a lot of the time and he won nothing from those clearances whereas Big Chris won his share but it is unfair to expect our clueless keeper to kick accurately and aim for the player who might win it.

He failed to come out for crosses, use his height or his weight and the mix up in the first half where Nyron was trying to invite him to pick up a loose ball but he stayed back was farcical.

But dont blame Scott he is a top goalie and I know that because he said it. heaven help England if they have to resort to the worst keeper in the division.

GrahamTaylor says...
1:53pm Wed 30 Nov 11

Haha even Loach said it DIDN’T bobble however in his defence and I am not a Loach fan you do not play a backpass towards your own goal not between the posts you play it wide of the goal that way this doesn’t happen.

BTW all you TD supporters he got 90+ against Bristol Rovers and couldn’t hit a barn door from 6 yards.

Terry Dactile says...
1:58pm Wed 30 Nov 11

usual drivel on here. I wish we had supporters rather than people going to games and on websites always moaning and groaning about the same old rubbish. Can I suggest if you are just going to use football and especially the club that I love and will support til I die as your continue annoying ranting subject. Then it will be cheaper and cause less iritation to SUPPORTERS of this great club if you dress in drag and join the womens insitute for some proffessional moaning.

Oracledave says...
3:26pm Wed 30 Nov 11

it is worth reiterating a point I made last season.

Some of the negative contributions to this forum are so nonsensical that either the posters are remarkably stupid or more likely they are L*ton fans bent on making mischief (Including
some with new aliases).

Either way it is really not worth responding because that is the
'oxygen' that feeds their mpoverished lives.

That of course is not to say that there should be no criticism. Proved it is balanced and factualy correct, that makes for good debate.

In case any readers are pondering how to spot the stupid or the scummers, I give you a classic example from this very thread :

"Loach is rubbish, Dyche is rubbish, Bent Baz is rubbish. Taxi for the lot of them."

I rest my case.

SAHornet says...
3:33pm Wed 30 Nov 11

Bush Hornet wrote:
1 loss in 6. It's a shame people always look for the negatives when the truth is that last night's result was ok. No I'm not settling for mediocrity just reality. If the manager & players were congratulating themselves for last night I'd worry. But they know it could've been 3 pts. So stop undermining individuals with your negative posts.
But last night's result was NOT ok, Bush. If we don't pick 3 points from our fellow stragglers, we will be relegated and no, that ISN'T ok, I'm afraid

tonupchris says...
3:38pm Wed 30 Nov 11

Everybody has a right to voice an opinion and everybody has a right to agree or disagree but why do people have to abuse other peoples thoughts or our own players. We all know that Loach made a big blunder last night and hasn't had the greatest of seasons but has improved recently along with the back four. A back pass should never be aimed at the goal and was certainly hit with pace but that isn't an excuse. There isn't an excuse but it's just an error. Everybody makes them even the very best. Give the guy a break because I'm sure he feels bad enough already.
I actually thought we got the tactics right last night but that's not to say we should go for the direct approach every week. Both sides had chances so a draw was probably about right but I think a lot of people thought we would lose last night. Dickinson seems to get a lot of stick as well but at least he's a left back and is a lot better than some say. The rest of the back four has been excellent recently.
Midfield. Brave and correct decision to bring Hogg back in for Eustace and thought Kightly was excellent. Not Yeates best game but worth playing for set pieces alone. Thought the Prince had a quieter game.
Up front. Beattie is not blessed with lots of pace but was quickest to the rebound off the bar for his goal and got in to other good positions. Not sure Big Chris gives us enough. Wins a little bit in the air but so he should but very rarely has a shot which as a center forward is a bit of a problem. We have other options to play up front and really think we need to look for someone other than Big Chris.
Onwards and upwards to Ipswich who will have no confidence so lets make sure we don't help them out.
COYGB

buckler says...
6:22pm Wed 30 Nov 11

Dyche, Iwelumo, Loach, Yeates and Beattie all deserve one another! All would struggle to get near another Championship club. Rubbish the lot of them!

Eastsussexhornet says...
8:15pm Wed 30 Nov 11

Who is this "buckler". What's he on? Iwelumo, I'd agree with him on but Yeates played his life out last night and Beattie scored one of the goals for god's sake!

buckler says...
8:20pm Wed 30 Nov 11

Eastsussexhornet wrote:
Who is this "buckler". What's he on? Iwelumo, I'd agree with him on but Yeates played his life out last night and Beattie scored one of the goals for god's sake!
You must like watching second rate players? Hogg, mariappa ,got a bit of class. The ones mentioned not up to it. Go and watch Brighton!

grahamfransen says...
10:22am Thu 1 Dec 11

Eastsussexhornet wrote:
Who is this "buckler". What's he on? Iwelumo, I'd agree with him on but Yeates played his life out last night and Beattie scored one of the goals for god's sake!
He is the biggest serial moaner on this forum and delights in winding up real fans, like you and me!

He changes his name so often, I think even he has forgotten who he is with his multiple personalities!!

For the record, they include FatChap, Weller,Foxton,BaldyS
alon,Truefanback,Bas
out,Ihatebas,LittleW
illie,Iam,thick, and a very few very other apt names!!!

Eastsussexhornet says...
2:03pm Thu 1 Dec 11

grahamfransen says...
10:22am Thu 1 Dec 11


Eastsussexhornet wrote:
Who is this "buckler". What's he on? Iwelumo, I'd agree with him on but Yeates played his life out last night and Beattie scored one of the goals for god's sake!
He is the biggest serial moaner on this forum and delights in winding up real fans, like you and me!

He changes his name so often, I think even he has forgotten who he is with his multiple personalities!!

For the record, they include FatChap, Weller,Foxton,BaldyS

alon,Truefanback,Bas

out,Ihatebas,LittleW

illie,Iam,thick, and a very few very other apt names!!!

Ok, thanks for the tip-off. I won't rise to it in future!

buckler says...
5:54pm Thu 1 Dec 11

Eastsussexhornet wrote:
grahamfransen says... 10:22am Thu 1 Dec 11 Eastsussexhornet wrote: Who is this "buckler". What's he on? Iwelumo, I'd agree with him on but Yeates played his life out last night and Beattie scored one of the goals for god's sake! He is the biggest serial moaner on this forum and delights in winding up real fans, like you and me! He changes his name so often, I think even he has forgotten who he is with his multiple personalities!! For the record, they include FatChap, Weller,Foxton,BaldyS alon,Truefanback,Bas out,Ihatebas,LittleW illie,Iam,thick, and a very few very other apt names!!! Ok, thanks for the tip-off. I won't rise to it in future!
Also a big HERO to fransen!

Bush Hornet says...
12:42am Fri 2 Dec 11

SAHornet wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote:
1 loss in 6. It's a shame people always look for the negatives when the truth is that last night's result was ok. No I'm not settling for mediocrity just reality. If the manager & players were congratulating themselves for last night I'd worry. But they know it could've been 3 pts. So stop undermining individuals with your negative posts.
But last night's result was NOT ok, Bush. If we don't pick 3 points from our fellow stragglers, we will be relegated and no, that ISN'T ok, I'm afraid
I admire your long distance passion but the reality is that this run of form IS ok. To be a team that doesn't get beat that much, as in the last 6 games, is a platform to build on. We were really poor. Now we're just ok. Hopefully we'll get better. That's all. Get back to the beach & stop worrying.

grahamfransen says...
11:37am Fri 2 Dec 11

Bush Hornet wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote: 1 loss in 6. It's a shame people always look for the negatives when the truth is that last night's result was ok. No I'm not settling for mediocrity just reality. If the manager & players were congratulating themselves for last night I'd worry. But they know it could've been 3 pts. So stop undermining individuals with your negative posts.
But last night's result was NOT ok, Bush. If we don't pick 3 points from our fellow stragglers, we will be relegated and no, that ISN'T ok, I'm afraid
I admire your long distance passion but the reality is that this run of form IS ok. To be a team that doesn't get beat that much, as in the last 6 games, is a platform to build on. We were really poor. Now we're just ok. Hopefully we'll get better. That's all. Get back to the beach & stop worrying.
The last six games have produced play-off form from SD and the boys, but sad old SAH cannot appreciate that all the way from Africa!

He just loves to moan along with Buckler and his Salon buddies!!

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