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Controversial goal handed Middlesbrough victory but Watford limp to defeat

Watford limped to another 1-0 defeat in front of the TV cameras as a controversial first-half strike from Scott McDonald handed Middlesbrough all three points.

The Hornets were a little fortunate to survive an early onslaught from the home side but grew into the half and arguably had the better chances in the opening period.

But Sean Dyche's men went into the break behind when McDonald was slid through, with the TV replays showing the Scot was a yard offside, and he scored his first goal in 12 games at the second attempt.

The second half was a dull affair and Watford could have few arguments that the score remained the same.

Both sides made one change apiece as Troy Deeney, Tuesday night's match winner, replaced Craig Forsyth and Merouane Zemmama came in for the injured Justin Hoyte for Middlesbrough.

It was a low attendance, as expected with the game being shown on TV, but the visitors gave the home crowd an immediate lift as they almost gifted Middlesbrough a goal inside 15 seconds. Prince Buaben's pass was easily intercepted by Barry Robson and the midfield turned Lee Hodson to fire a shot wide of the far post.

The Hornets played themselves into trouble again on three minutes when Scott Loach needed to parry Scott McDonald's volley away.

Buaben had a shot blocked for a corner, which was wasted, but Middlesbrough had their third decent chance in the opening seven minutes when Tony McMahon's corner was headed to Marvin Emnes at the far post and he cut inside Deeney to stab wide of the near post, just yards from goal.

Watford settled after their frantic start and Emnes wayward effort from distance was the the only time either side went close to the goal again in the opening 20 minutes.

Chris Iwelumo has been much improved in recent games and he did well to force Jason Steele into a save at his near post when there seemed like nothing was on 20 yards from goal.

Watford then went agonisingly close to taking the lead from the resulting corner as he headed goalwards from close range, only for Marvin Sordell to inadvertently block the effort.

It was the Hornets who again had a decent chance to score as some nice build-up play results in Sordell laying the ball off to Buaben on the edge of the area but he fires well over.

Watford were arguably on top at this point and Deeney caused the home crowd more concern when he played Yeates' deep free kick back into the six-yard box.

Buaben was finding himself in advanced positions but was failing to capitalise as he fired over another effort from 20 yards out.

Middlesbrough were rarely posing the visitors a problem but they took the lead in controversial circumstances four minutes before the break when McDonald was put through when he seemed to be offside. Loach saved his initial effort but the Scot made sure with the second attempt.

A mishit Zemmama cross had Loach scrambling soon after but the score was 1-0 at half time.

The beginning of the second half was a very scrappy affair as both sides were making the wrong decisions when in possession.

Watford almost equalised just before the hour mark as another Yeates corner was header goalwards, this time by Carl Dickinson, and again it was blocked yards from the line.

Middlesbrough improved slightly as the half went on, as McDonald forced Loach into another stop and then Watford needed several attempts to clear, and block, attempts by substitute Faris Haroun.

Iwelumo struggled to make the same impact as recent games and was replaced by debutant Craig Beattie on 65 minutes.

Watford were fortunate not to go behind when Rhys Williams' low drive was parried out by Loach and Haroun blazed over from eight yards, under pressure from Buaben and Nyron Nosworthy.

The Hornets then had a spell of pressure, and several corners, as Yeates' free kick and subsequent 20-yard drive were deflected behind. But it ended with Lee Hodson trying a 35-yard strike with his weaker foot which was over and wide.

Both sides were poor in possession and were failing to make the most of any chances, as Emnes struck his shot straight at Loach. Williams also had an effort deflected out for a corner with nine minutes remaining.

The game ended with a limp as the Hornets failed to continue their improved recent form.

Middlesbrough: Steele; McMahon, Bates, Williams, Bennett; Robson, Bailey, McManus, Zemmama (Haroun 59); Emnes, McDonald.

Subs: Martin, Ogbeche, Arca, Smallwood.

Watford: Loach; Hodson (Forsyth 90+1), Nosworthy, Mariappa, Dickinson; Yeates, Hogg, Buaben (Jenkins 83), Deeney; Iwelumo (Beattie 65), Sordell Subs: Gilmartin, Mirfin.

Referee: Jock Waugh.

Attendance: 14,366 (209).

Comments(95)

hogweed says...
7:31pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Even though we lost to an offside goal we were so poor it leaves me speechless.

Iwelumo is an utter woeful load of rubbish. Sordell did not want to know tonight. We showed no goal threat whatsoever.

The only point of some praise was Loach who I thought did allright.

If things don't improve soon especially our goal threat then........

Hog out

WFC4ever says...
7:32pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Not a very good performance attack wise...we lacked any real pace or threat and whilst the winner was offside Middlesborough had a lot of joy against both full backs.

Nyron did well and Mariappa saved us a few times.

Oh well...lets hope we pick up for the 3 important games post International break.

bigthunder says...
7:37pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Abysmal, toothless, gutless , passionless An absolute waste of 90 minutes have never been so bored watching a watford fc team, Dyche must go we have relegation written all over us could carrying on playing until midnight and would not score

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH DYCHE OUT !!!

Casterbridge says...
7:44pm Sat 5 Nov 11

If Watford were poor, then by all accounts listening to 3CR, and apart from the opening 10 minutes, Middlesborough were worse - and look where they are in the table.

Just one oddity: at the end Nosworthy went forward - and played on the wing with Forsyth in the middle! What was all that about?

So let's not be downhearted: 10 points from the next 12 would put us back where we ought to be.

buckler says...
7:46pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Dickinson is getting worse every game! Both full backs rubbish tonight. By clapping our fans Dicko thinks he can get away with it! Garston edl get the banner out again, Dyche OUT!

abbotshornet says...
7:47pm Sat 5 Nov 11

We needed more attacking options on the bench, someone to come on and run at them and try to change things, where are those promising youngsters from last season?
I didn't think we did too bad, but we need to keep on improving to combat bad decisions like their off-side goal.
Where was Kightly, is he injured again?

WFC4ever says...
7:50pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Casterbridge wrote:
If Watford were poor, then by all accounts listening to 3CR, and apart from the opening 10 minutes, Middlesborough were worse - and look where they are in the table. Just one oddity: at the end Nosworthy went forward - and played on the wing with Forsyth in the middle! What was all that about? So let's not be downhearted: 10 points from the next 12 would put us back where we ought to be.
True Middlesborough weren't good but we just lacked any real spark..bit like Brighton against us.

TBH 0-0 would have been a very worthy score!

Kightly was injured.

Larrythe Loafer 'Orn says...
7:50pm Sat 5 Nov 11

We are a young, new side who took over from a team that only won 4 of the last 34 games last season and then sold a great striker and an international wide midfield player. I will happily take 14th spot now as a season finish!

We need to take the points off teams around us and in the bottom half and not worry too much at losing to the top five sides. It's worrying that SD seems to have found his 'best team' through injury but give them time and the 'Orns can make mid table.
Be fans not messengers of doom

garston edl says...
8:01pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Casterbridge wrote:
If Watford were poor, then by all accounts listening to 3CR, and apart from the opening 10 minutes, Middlesborough were worse - and look where they are in the table.

Just one oddity: at the end Nosworthy went forward - and played on the wing with Forsyth in the middle! What was all that about?

So let's not be downhearted: 10 points from the next 12 would put us back where we ought to be.
If we get 10 points out of the next 12 games then I'll eat my hat! I predict max 5 points. I think the dyche out banner will finally get aired at Leeds at home on dec 10th. Posh and Brighton wins have just delayed the inevitable. That game today was BORING!

Feff says...
8:01pm Sat 5 Nov 11

The Middlesbrough goal was a good yard offside. However, would some of the Dyche supporters explains why he persevered with Iwelumo; why he brought on Jenkins, a defensive midfielder for Bauben, who does know how to attack; why bring on Forsyth in the 1st minute of injury time. Where was Garner and what is the point of signing an injured Kightly on loan?

garston edl says...
8:08pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Apparently GT was at strictly?!

abbotshornet says...
8:10pm Sat 5 Nov 11

I agree about the strange substitutions, and why was Garner not even on the bench? Has Jenkins ever come on and changed a game? Forsyth just may have if he had had longer.

Dollyhat says...
8:14pm Sat 5 Nov 11

What a terrible game. Two poor sides playing in an empty stadium. The championship this season is of a truly awful standard and as a Watford fan for over 45 years it pains me to say this side is one of the worst I can remember. Yeats, Dickinson,Deeney, Forsyth, Iwelumo are as poor as any players I have witnessed in a Watford shirt. We have absolutely no creativity in midfield and a complete lack of pace on either wing. How can we put it right? I really have no idea as we are stuck with these players for now. Change the manager? I doubt even Sir Alex Furguson could improve this lot, they are simply not good enough. Finally what is wrong with Marvin Sordell?.His was a disgusting performance tonight, like so many this season. He shows no passion or fight whatsoever but duly goes off to represent England at International level and probably feels 'I've arrived'. Sorry Marvin you most certainly have not as far as I am concerned. I am getting to the point that perhaps my time as a season ticket holder is coming to an end and the only redeeming thing is that we have, or should I say had some talented youngsters within the club. I bet they feel like alot of us do... totally disillusioned.

monkhorn says...
8:16pm Sat 5 Nov 11

I thought Loach and the defence played well, while Hogg was the only player with energy even though he lost the ball a few times. The rest of the players were useless although Yeates delivery was okay at times though nobody attacks it. Beattie was probably still unfit, or at least I hope he was because he was terrible. However if it wasn't for the linesman then the game would have been 0-0 and we would have taken a draw before the game. I wish Dyche would also play with proper wingers.

lutondown says...
8:20pm Sat 5 Nov 11

garston edl wrote:
Apparently GT was at strictly?!
He was and he was best off there
I cannot believe the clappers spin here
We were poor, clueless and toothless
What did Divk do to gee things up? He brought in that famous game changer Jenkins
Hodson fans family what whoever you are he's pants and that's being polite
DICK OUT

stevemag says...
8:22pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Why oh why did we continually pump the ball into the clouds ?

What's wrong with the passing game we adopted at last two home games?

We were truly awful and never looked like scoring or even putting half a dozen passes together.

Chris the Vic says...
8:51pm Sat 5 Nov 11

WFC limp to victory do they WO.

Maybe it had something to do with the two studs up tackles that the ref saw but took no action against much to the surprise of the sky commentators.

The goal, well as Aidy said, the referees assistant is paid to watch for offsides not follow the game. He failed to do what he was paid for.

Not sure Boro didnt deserve the points but should they have had eleven men on the field and should they have that goal counted. In both cases the men in black got it totally wrong and we were cheated.

By the way is it just me that cant remember, but has Yeates ever made a tackle whilst playing for us?

Hornet23 says...
8:58pm Sat 5 Nov 11

No but I'm pretty sure Yeates runs at two players, then gets out-paced/muscled and doesn't track back a few times a game. What an awful signing, all he offers is a decent dead ball delivery. Give me Whichelow, Mingoia or Murray out on the right anyday. I think Massey has played out on the right for Yeovil a few times as well, I'd even have him out there ahead of Yeates!

lutondown says...
9:00pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Chris the Vic wrote:
WFC limp to victory do they WO.

Maybe it had something to do with the two studs up tackles that the ref saw but took no action against much to the surprise of the sky commentators.

The goal, well as Aidy said, the referees assistant is paid to watch for offsides not follow the game. He failed to do what he was paid for.

Not sure Boro didnt deserve the points but should they have had eleven men on the field and should they have that goal counted. In both cases the men in black got it totally wrong and we were cheated.

By the way is it just me that cant remember, but has Yeates ever made a tackle whilst playing for us?
no Chris the result was a fair reflection
We never looked like scoring they did
They played football we never
Our tactics are insane and ugly
Come on before you all attack us so called knockers explain Jenkins substitution to me? Did you think he would change the game? I bet not.
And don't get me started on Hodson

harry uk says...
9:03pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Agree with Feff, i find Dyche mind numbing, he doesnt have it to be a manager, Would he get another job in this division as a manager?, i dont think so, he is a total waste of time and will, if left, inflict serious damage to this clubs status. And the worrying thing is Bassini does not know enough about football to realise this.

bigthunder says...
9:06pm Sat 5 Nov 11

garston edl wrote:
Apparently GT was at strictly?!
YES ! there i was winning the battle with the missus for the main BIG screen tv in the house, she does not like football but loves Strickly come dancing , she relented and let me watch watford only to come in and say "hey i have just seen your CHAIRMAN ON STRICKLY !" even he does not want to watch watford,

I off course laughed at her saying it is bad enough having to accept him commentating on other teams without beleiving he would watch a dancing competition over watching the team he is chairman of !

SHE SAID well we have taped the show watch the very beggining so still laughing at her i duly watched the opening of the show back AND guess what she was right there he was MR GRAHAM TAYLOR clapping away as Brucie opened the show while his football team in one of there worse times in years is playing a game of football live on tv

what is the point !!! if our own chairman cannot back the team and at least watch them, why should we NO WONDER the attendances are falling
Yes in hindsight he maybe made the right decision as we were awful BUT NOT THE POINT AND AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE !

SCMW57 says...
9:07pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Embarrased to be a life long fan. Abysmal football. No flair. Back to keeper and long punt!
Chairman at Strictly!?
Spoke to owner 2 weeks ago and he said we should be sitting third in the table - just been unlucky...
I despair.
250 loyal fans travel North & GT watching a dance contest...

dolly33 says...
9:12pm Sat 5 Nov 11

good job i have not got sky
would have put me off my dinner

lutondown says...
9:13pm Sat 5 Nov 11

bigthunder wrote:
garston edl wrote:
Apparently GT was at strictly?!
YES ! there i was winning the battle with the missus for the main BIG screen tv in the house, she does not like football but loves Strickly come dancing , she relented and let me watch watford only to come in and say "hey i have just seen your CHAIRMAN ON STRICKLY !" even he does not want to watch watford,

I off course laughed at her saying it is bad enough having to accept him commentating on other teams without beleiving he would watch a dancing competition over watching the team he is chairman of !

SHE SAID well we have taped the show watch the very beggining so still laughing at her i duly watched the opening of the show back AND guess what she was right there he was MR GRAHAM TAYLOR clapping away as Brucie opened the show while his football team in one of there worse times in years is playing a game of football live on tv

what is the point !!! if our own chairman cannot back the team and at least watch them, why should we NO WONDER the attendances are falling
Yes in hindsight he maybe made the right decision as we were awful BUT NOT THE POINT AND AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE !
who can argue with that? But someone will, look I love GT for what he's done for us but he surely can't be under contract to sit and watch Bruce's terrible jokes and a bunch of b listers?
Still better than watching out team of jokers I suppose

cliff46 says...
9:25pm Sat 5 Nov 11

We didn't look good but then neither did Middlesborough and yet they really do have some very talented ex academy players supplemented by several expensive players.
With that sort of investment they should finish at least in a playoff place.

Many on this site are very quick to
criticise.
Iwelumu had no decent service. We lack pace down the wings. Dickinson might be a fans favourite but he pretty average.
I laughed when the commentator said Jenkins for the Prince was an attacking move. Having said that after three games in a week he did look cream crackered and because there are only five subs he had Forsyth and Jenkins to
choose from.
I liked Noseworthy again, he is surprisingly quick for a 31year old big lad. Like Lutondown I wouldnt want to upset Nyron.
If we can keep him beyond January I
would be tempted to try just three at the
back Nyron, Taylor and Mariappa.

SimonW, Godalming says...
9:31pm Sat 5 Nov 11

embarrassing, inept & incompetent - not only the linesman but our players (& manager), only Mariappa & Nosworthy can escape criticism after that debacle!!, people slag off Forsyth but Deeney instead!!, how that clown stayed on for 90 minutes is unbelievable!!!
Crawley, Brentford & Leyton Orient we are heading your way!!!

buckler says...
9:32pm Sat 5 Nov 11

bigthunder wrote:
garston edl wrote: Apparently GT was at strictly?!
YES ! there i was winning the battle with the missus for the main BIG screen tv in the house, she does not like football but loves Strickly come dancing , she relented and let me watch watford only to come in and say "hey i have just seen your CHAIRMAN ON STRICKLY !" even he does not want to watch watford, I off course laughed at her saying it is bad enough having to accept him commentating on other teams without beleiving he would watch a dancing competition over watching the team he is chairman of ! SHE SAID well we have taped the show watch the very beggining so still laughing at her i duly watched the opening of the show back AND guess what she was right there he was MR GRAHAM TAYLOR clapping away as Brucie opened the show while his football team in one of there worse times in years is playing a game of football live on tv what is the point !!! if our own chairman cannot back the team and at least watch them, why should we NO WONDER the attendances are falling Yes in hindsight he maybe made the right decision as we were awful BUT NOT THE POINT AND AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE !
You think thats bad? Heard Bassini is in the crowd at Xfactor and wants the great Louis Walsh to take over from Dyche!

garston edl says...
9:38pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Our club is an absolute joke on and off the pitch. An bankrupt owner full of waffle - fact. A chairman who can't be bothered to watch us - fact. A manager totally out if his depth - fact. A team of poor players - fact. An apathetic, passionless crowd - fact. I can't wait till the fans forum on tuesday!

WFC4ever says...
9:40pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Ofcourse the officials made an error Chris but quite franly I think my 91 year old grandad is quicker than some of the players in our team!

That lack of pace is really going to cost us as teams could take the lead and just sit back knowing we won't have the gulie or speed to break them down.

I know we played well against Peterborough and Brighton but one cannot defend to save their lives and even our winning goal on Tuesday was scrappy..

abbotswreck says...
9:43pm Sat 5 Nov 11

What a load of wanxxrs you lot are they didnt play that bad and all you do is wait till we fail then comment . Rubbish fans. At times we were ok tonight and considering where we are now its was ok. All everyone wants here is to watch us lose then call for the managers head . When he goes what do we do then who do we get. Dream on we are a small club live with it it could be worse

watfordrick says...
9:43pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Prince Buaban and Hodson the poorest in a group of very poor players.
Hard to see us staying up.

cliff46 says...
9:47pm Sat 5 Nov 11

It's fair to say our forwards looked poor against a very good defence.
To put it into some sort of perspective, Boro's McDonald didnt look much good either and apparently he has now scored one goal in twelve and cost £3.5m from Celtic.

buckler says...
9:47pm Sat 5 Nov 11

garston edl wrote:
Our club is an absolute joke on and off the pitch. An bankrupt owner full of waffle - fact. A chairman who can't be bothered to watch us - fact. A manager totally out if his depth - fact. A team of poor players - fact. An apathetic, passionless crowd - fact. I can't wait till the fans forum on tuesday!
The fans forum will probably be full of Dyche and Bassini **** lickers! No one will have the balls to have a go and it will no doubt end up a joke as well! Heard a ridiculous rumour that Bassini will use the forum to make up a story about spending 9 million on the ground! New media centre, finish corner and knock down and rebuild east stand. You heard from The Jam man First!!!

WFTTWTFR says...
10:03pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Getting confused with the Strictly stuff - did we bring on Craig Forsyth or Bruce Forsyth?

Watched it on the laptop - tedious game. 0-0 written all over it, and ridiculous that one team is now third and one is fourth from bottom. Nothing to choose between them apart from a lino. Incompetent, amateur clowns like that can get teams relegated. Video refs are essential and long overdue in football - standard of officiating in the Championship is a joke.

surreyhorn says...
10:11pm Sat 5 Nov 11

What a negative bunch of tossers. Every week is the same.You only need to compare the number of posts when we win to when we lose.
The usual suspects want us to lose so that they can come out with the same old cobblers.Yes we didn't look like scoring but performance wasn't that bad and effort couldn't be faulted.
A few weeks ago everyone was moaning about signing Nosworthy and the last 3 games he has been excellent.No mention of that.
Any excuse to slag the manager off.
Comments like this is the worst team for 40 years are just total rubbish.

cliff46 says...
10:12pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Well said Abbotswreck.
Some of the 'supporters' on here are never happier than when they can criticise anything and everything.

In the real world a team that costs a minimum of ten times more than the opposition is very likely to win.
Pretty obvious I would have thought to most reasonable people.

WFC4ever says...
10:22pm Sat 5 Nov 11

surreyhorn wrote:
What a negative bunch of tossers. Every week is the same.You only need to compare the number of posts when we win to when we lose. The usual suspects want us to lose so that they can come out with the same old cobblers.Yes we didn't look like scoring but performance wasn't that bad and effort couldn't be faulted. A few weeks ago everyone was moaning about signing Nosworthy and the last 3 games he has been excellent.No mention of that. Any excuse to slag the manager off. Comments like this is the worst team for 40 years are just total rubbish.
I agree with that about the comments but do think we look rather slow in attack which is the problem.

Mind you I didn't expect much tonight and it was unfortunate their winner was offside but not given.

Sods law when your at the bottom.

lutondown says...
10:26pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Cleef as always you try and reason
But al season our strikers have looked poor against poor defeces
We are poor and this isn't being Knee jerky it is a reflection of our dismal season and preseason
If Dyche is to remain at the front then he needs reliable help
And as one of GTs biggest fans I cannot understand why he never seems to go
He needs to otherwise he cannot judge what is going on

mooneysmagic says...
10:35pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Feff wrote:
The Middlesbrough goal was a good yard offside. However, would some of the Dyche supporters explains why he persevered with Iwelumo; why he brought on Jenkins, a defensive midfielder for Bauben, who does know how to attack; why bring on Forsyth in the 1st minute of injury time. Where was Garner and what is the point of signing an injured Kightly on loan?
Wolves kindly let us sign Kightley so that we could pay his wages for a month. The same thing with Beattie. Obviously other clubs see we are an easy touch with idiotic Dyche remains in charge.

desk35 says...
10:54pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Lose a match and Dyche out .
Win a match a less protest
As Aidy said We have a limited budget and could not pay what Middlesborough are paying Robson
Notwithstanding our constainsts we should be showing more creativity .Even Sky commented about the lack of crosses to big Chris
My instincts are win or lose Sean is the wrong manager and if he stays should have had a Mentor like say Lennie Lawrence at Crystal Palace .
A long way to go yet and anything canhappen,My instincts are with Sean we will end up in league one .If the club keep him thats fine .How if we are relegated do we pay of the £10milllion debt Rumour has it Vicerage Road is a nice bit of real estate !

Hornet123456 says...
10:54pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Has it been said that we are paying kightly's wages? That would surprise me.

Pretty poor tonight but wasn't expecting much more away to boro. Usual story - we were doing ok before the goal then the confidence drains away and we look a bit desperate. It's a relegation battle for the rest of the year so the priority is home form and games vs teams in the bottom half. Am not goona lose too much sleep over a narrow loss to a top 3 team

Monty99 says...
11:05pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Nice to see some real supporters amongst the usual gang of moaners. Where have you been recently. We had a good spell for part of first half. I agree we need to better going forward.

Hornet Cornet says...
6:51am Sun 6 Nov 11

I am a real supporter and would dearly like to see that idiot SD out from the club. He hasn't got a clue and, if he 'loves the lads' so much then he needs to withdraw his man love and also withdraw himself from Watford as he's just not very good. Simple as.

lutondown says...
7:27am Sun 6 Nov 11

Seems that certain posters such as Surrey Horn can swear and berate other peoples views without punity yet there are those of us who are censored at a stroke
Come on administrators how's about some equality here, I really do not want to see the post removed but would like some fairness here

Hornet Cornet says...
7:44am Sun 6 Nov 11

Well said as usual Lutondown, it's a family site at the end of the day and the language used by Surrey Spoon isn't really appropriate. Surrey Horn, I suggest you apologise before big brother comes along

SAHornet says...
8:26am Sun 6 Nov 11

harry uk wrote:
Agree with Feff, i find Dyche mind numbing, he doesnt have it to be a manager, Would he get another job in this division as a manager?, i dont think so, he is a total waste of time and will, if left, inflict serious damage to this clubs status. And the worrying thing is Bassini does not know enough about football to realise this.
You've hit the nail on the head, Harry. Bankrupt Bas is as much to blame as Dyche cos he knows sfa about football and wouldn't even be able to give Dyche a reason why he was firing him.

3CR slated Beattie at the end of that game and the co-commentator mentioned he could hardly remember him touching the ball. Why do we pay the wages of either Kightly or Beattie if they are not up to the job or injured and unable to play? If they are unable to play, why put them on the bench?

Abbots hornet says...
8:36am Sun 6 Nov 11

We never looked like scoring in a month of Sunday's no doubt they all tried but just not good enough.Sordell has skill but he is so lazy.Yeates is too slow but has excellent delivery from dead ball situations,other than that zilch! Boro were awful as well 0 0 would have been right.Boring game best forgotten back to the training ground for 2 weeks would love to know what they practice! Table tennis? Snooker?

SAHornet says...
8:47am Sun 6 Nov 11

surreyhorn wrote:
What a negative bunch of tossers. Every week is the same.You only need to compare the number of posts when we win to when we lose.
The usual suspects want us to lose so that they can come out with the same old cobblers.Yes we didn't look like scoring but performance wasn't that bad and effort couldn't be faulted.
A few weeks ago everyone was moaning about signing Nosworthy and the last 3 games he has been excellent.No mention of that.
Any excuse to slag the manager off.
Comments like this is the worst team for 40 years are just total rubbish.
surreyhorn and cliff46, you berate those who criticize so let me ask, are you prepared to sing the praises of an owner and manager all the way to relegation to league 1? Do you want to watch league 1 football or would you prefer to change things before it is too late to change? To me, it's a no-brainer. New manager please NOW. Someone that can organize and intergrate our talented youngsters with our so-called experienced players. Even if we can't afford a named manager, there are savvy managers out there who would love to come to WFC.

garston edl says...
9:04am Sun 6 Nov 11

Monty99 wrote:
Nice to see some real supporters amongst the usual gang of moaners. Where have you been recently. We had a good spell for part of first half. I agree we need to better going forward.
"a good spell for part of first half" what low standards you have. What constitutes a "good spell" in your mind? A header on target from a corner and a couple of row z shots from buaben?! On the whole we have been very poor this season from day 1 - borehamwood away. Call me negative, call me a t*sser but that's a fact. It really frustrates me when people say, keep dyche, who else is there available? Well, that's the boards job. What's their football knowledge like. There will be other Brendan Rodgers and aidy boothroyds (jury's out admittedly!) out there if you know your stuff. Look what McInnes is doing at Bristol city. I've heard there's a very promising, manager in the making called Michael Appleton on west broms coaching staff, for example. Dyche was a cheap and lazy option, and his big plus was he knew our kids, the kids he's not playing!!

jasonwatford says...
9:14am Sun 6 Nov 11

We looked poor last night going forward...i thought Mapps and Nosworthy played well and Hogg had a decent game showing passion and workrate.Cant stand Loach but he had a good game too. The thing is now we have a break and SD will now drop Prince and return JE which will in return stop any creativity in midfield. Yeats can deliver a ball but why do his legs go up and down so quickly but he moves like a snail ? He is not good enough for me. Big Chris i think we have seen the best he can offer,,,,Marvin well someone needs to sit with the boy and explain life...everytime he gets an England call up is goes missing the week before and 2 weeks after he returns from England game. Can anyone explain how Jenkins gets on the coach to an away game let alone the bench then the pitch ???? Prince can pass a ball can create..can shoot..although he didnt have a great game he can do these things Jenkins cant do any of that. Was SD bringing him on to protect a 1-0 loss ? They were another poor side. As for Craig Beattie well.......where was Garner ?
SD got lucky with JE getting injured that forced him to play prince that then won him 2 games against very average teams SD is not the man for me.

harry uk says...
9:30am Sun 6 Nov 11

Hes not the man for me either, and strange as it sounds the two wins at home has delayed the inevitable departure of Dyche.

lutondown says...
9:40am Sun 6 Nov 11

jasonwatford wrote:
We looked poor last night going forward...i thought Mapps and Nosworthy played well and Hogg had a decent game showing passion and workrate.Cant stand Loach but he had a good game too. The thing is now we have a break and SD will now drop Prince and return JE which will in return stop any creativity in midfield. Yeats can deliver a ball but why do his legs go up and down so quickly but he moves like a snail ? He is not good enough for me. Big Chris i think we have seen the best he can offer,,,,Marvin well someone needs to sit with the boy and explain life...everytime he gets an England call up is goes missing the week before and 2 weeks after he returns from England game. Can anyone explain how Jenkins gets on the coach to an away game let alone the bench then the pitch ???? Prince can pass a ball can create..can shoot..although he didnt have a great game he can do these things Jenkins cant do any of that. Was SD bringing him on to protect a 1-0 loss ? They were another poor side. As for Craig Beattie well.......where was Garner ?
SD got lucky with JE getting injured that forced him to play prince that then won him 2 games against very average teams SD is not the man for me.
Spot on as always Jase
He will revert to type just as he has not got a clue
Don't care what the clappers say or think as you can't reason with blinkered fans.
Dyches tactics and tactical decisions are bottom drawer
I feel sorry for those poor souls who made that long trek for a pants performance
And no whereisgt it's hard to state your case when the hysterical nut jobs come out on force when we narrowly beat two sides in the middle of indifferent runs
But if you lOok at the posts from some of us, we expressed our pleasure at winning but doubts on our future, we were right.

endean1 says...
10:00am Sun 6 Nov 11

Dollyhat wrote:
What a terrible game. Two poor sides playing in an empty stadium. The championship this season is of a truly awful standard and as a Watford fan for over 45 years it pains me to say this side is one of the worst I can remember. Yeats, Dickinson,Deeney, Forsyth, Iwelumo are as poor as any players I have witnessed in a Watford shirt. We have absolutely no creativity in midfield and a complete lack of pace on either wing. How can we put it right? I really have no idea as we are stuck with these players for now. Change the manager? I doubt even Sir Alex Furguson could improve this lot, they are simply not good enough. Finally what is wrong with Marvin Sordell?.His was a disgusting performance tonight, like so many this season. He shows no passion or fight whatsoever but duly goes off to represent England at International level and probably feels 'I've arrived'. Sorry Marvin you most certainly have not as far as I am concerned. I am getting to the point that perhaps my time as a season ticket holder is coming to an end and the only redeeming thing is that we have, or should I say had some talented youngsters within the club. I bet they feel like alot of us do... totally disillusioned.
well said, that about sums up the club at this moment.
after I reappeared from behind the sofa after the first ten minutes (how bad was that?) there was a marginal improvement and that was it!!!!!!!

unless we act NOW I am afraid it will be to late.Dyche has to go and at least give the younger players a chance,our signings,are not up for the game the majority of whom are useless

johnnyc72 says...
10:39am Sun 6 Nov 11

As one of the few who made the trip to Middlesborough, the comments on here make me laugh. We lost 1-0 away from home to a top 6 side to a goal that was offside. Even then, it appeared the ball went out of play and we should have had a throw in before they went on and scored.

In terms of possession, we had a fair bit. Havent seen the stats but we seemed to have considerably more corners than them.

Both teams were poor going forwards, and they got the lucky break.

Interestingly what game plan we had seemed to disappear when Big Chris went off.

I expect most of you would have taken a point before the match. So to lose to an offside goal, when Boro didnt really create the chances, makes the criticism on here unfounded, IMHO.

In terms of passionless crowd, but difficult to creat noise when theres only 250 of you.

garston edl says...
10:58am Sun 6 Nov 11

johnnyc72, fair play for going to boro but all you're saying is we had some possession and a few corners, are you happy with that return for your days investment?!
You and the other 'clappers' for want of a better word, need to look at the criticism written on here and acknowledge that some very fair and factual comments are made when criticising the current state of affairs at Watford fc, on and off the pitch.

watfordal says...
11:08am Sun 6 Nov 11

Awful game. One teams 3rd in the table, the other 4th from bottom. Tricky to spot the difference! Another witless performance. Boro are weak at centre back....watch their game against Soton...and we delivered no crosses in open play! Not the match to play Deeney out wide. Nn/ AM / JH did fine, rest were very poor. Better tactics and we'd have had 3 points......and that's SD's weakness. Hacked off.

watfordal says...
11:09am Sun 6 Nov 11

Awful game. One teams 3rd in the table, the other 4th from bottom. Tricky to spot the difference! Another witless performance. Boro are weak at centre back....watch their game against Soton...and we delivered no crosses in open play! Not the match to play Deeney out wide. Nn/ AM / JH did fine, rest were very poor. Better tactics and we'd have had 3 points......and that's SD's weakness. Hacked off.

Chris the Vic says...
11:21am Sun 6 Nov 11

Lutondown try reading what I said before you say NO.

Given the whole game Boro were better and took the three points.

However, the tackle on Hodson was bad and deserved a card whether it was red or yellow was debatable but it was late , sliding and both sets of studs showing and for me it was a red. The ref, being an idiot kept his cards hidden and liked his own voice.

Down to ten players they would have had problems, that decision allowed Bauben to be ploughed through later in the half and Boro realised the ref was a homer. The goal well enough said but however good Boro were they only scored one dodgy goal.

The officials had huge influence on the game and that is wrong.

As gor GT had he commentated earlier in the day in London, if not then perhaps he needs to consider his position...but then as great a manager as he was for us, he has no qualifications in this day and age to be an executive chairman but as a figurehead I will take him anyday and he is an honest guy.

johnnyc72 says...
11:28am Sun 6 Nov 11

garston edl wrote:
johnnyc72, fair play for going to boro but all you're saying is we had some possession and a few corners, are you happy with that return for your days investment?!
You and the other 'clappers' for want of a better word, need to look at the criticism written on here and acknowledge that some very fair and factual comments are made when criticising the current state of affairs at Watford fc, on and off the pitch.
I agree all is not well in the club. However continual berating of players is not the answer. There was so much criticism of nosworthy before he had even kicked a ball and now there are calls to sign him up permanently. Football is such a fickle business. For 2 games hodson had played well. I actually didn't think he had a bad game yesterday considering he gets such little support from yeates or deeney, yet some of the comments in here make him out to be the worst player ever.

I have no argument with people having a go at the manager, as he is there to manage. To slag off the players, especially the younger ones, sometimes goes a step to far.

However, we are all entitled to our opinion.

Ps. Not a "clapper", just someone who is passionate about our club.

rousman 2 says...
11:44am Sun 6 Nov 11

bigthunder wrote:
garston edl wrote:
Apparently GT was at strictly?!
YES ! there i was winning the battle with the missus for the main BIG screen tv in the house, she does not like football but loves Strickly come dancing , she relented and let me watch watford only to come in and say "hey i have just seen your CHAIRMAN ON STRICKLY !" even he does not want to watch watford,

I off course laughed at her saying it is bad enough having to accept him commentating on other teams without beleiving he would watch a dancing competition over watching the team he is chairman of !

SHE SAID well we have taped the show watch the very beggining so still laughing at her i duly watched the opening of the show back AND guess what she was right there he was MR GRAHAM TAYLOR clapping away as Brucie opened the show while his football team in one of there worse times in years is playing a game of football live on tv

what is the point !!! if our own chairman cannot back the team and at least watch them, why should we NO WONDER the attendances are falling
Yes in hindsight he maybe made the right decision as we were awful BUT NOT THE POINT AND AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE !
But " It was nice to see him to see him" !!!!

rousman 2 says...
11:51am Sun 6 Nov 11

surreyhorn wrote:
What a negative bunch of tossers. Every week is the same.You only need to compare the number of posts when we win to when we lose.
The usual suspects want us to lose so that they can come out with the same old cobblers.Yes we didn't look like scoring but performance wasn't that bad and effort couldn't be faulted.
A few weeks ago everyone was moaning about signing Nosworthy and the last 3 games he has been excellent.No mention of that.
Any excuse to slag the manager off.
Comments like this is the worst team for 40 years are just total rubbish.
Good post mate 100% agree.

northofwatfordpete says...
11:52am Sun 6 Nov 11

Was at the Riverside last night and felt that we played OK but not good enough to beat a decent side. Middlesbrough fielded a side that had no weaknesses and all looked very comfortable on the ball. I think Southampton bullied them off the park the other week and they were not going to let us do that to them in front of their home crowd. Several of our team are short of pace and others get knocked off the ball far too easily. Hogg is a decent footballer with some pace but does not contribute nearly enough. Prince looks the part but faded badly last night. Deeney for all his effort is not physical enough. Marvin went missing again and needs to change his attitude or move on.

buckler says...
11:57am Sun 6 Nov 11

northofwatfordpete wrote:
Was at the Riverside last night and felt that we played OK but not good enough to beat a decent side. Middlesbrough fielded a side that had no weaknesses and all looked very comfortable on the ball. I think Southampton bullied them off the park the other week and they were not going to let us do that to them in front of their home crowd. Several of our team are short of pace and others get knocked off the ball far too easily. Hogg is a decent footballer with some pace but does not contribute nearly enough. Prince looks the part but faded badly last night. Deeney for all his effort is not physical enough. Marvin went missing again and needs to change his attitude or move on.
Hogg was everywhere, what game where you watching? Change your glasses or move on!

There was only one Scully says...
11:58am Sun 6 Nov 11

johnnyc72 wrote:
garston edl wrote:
johnnyc72, fair play for going to boro but all you're saying is we had some possession and a few corners, are you happy with that return for your days investment?!
You and the other 'clappers' for want of a better word, need to look at the criticism written on here and acknowledge that some very fair and factual comments are made when criticising the current state of affairs at Watford fc, on and off the pitch.
I agree all is not well in the club. However continual berating of players is not the answer. There was so much criticism of nosworthy before he had even kicked a ball and now there are calls to sign him up permanently. Football is such a fickle business. For 2 games hodson had played well. I actually didn't think he had a bad game yesterday considering he gets such little support from yeates or deeney, yet some of the comments in here make him out to be the worst player ever.

I have no argument with people having a go at the manager, as he is there to manage. To slag off the players, especially the younger ones, sometimes goes a step to far.

However, we are all entitled to our opinion.

Ps. Not a "clapper", just someone who is passionate about our club.
Good constructive criticism from someone who is passionate and not doing the usual 'cut and paste', when we lose.
I was impressed with Noz who seems very mobile for a big fella. To many had off games and appeared affected by the diabolical goal decision.
Second half, a lot of possession but no cutting edge and up against Mowbay bully boys we just never looked as though we would score. SD, I'm afraid got it wrong bringing off big Chris as CB didnt seem to be up for the challenge.
Anyway, a couple of weeks off for SD to turn it around...again!

Feff says...
12:49pm Sun 6 Nov 11

While Bassini is owner we have no chance. He gave Dyche very little money to buy players. Dyche decided to go for quantity rather than quality. Simpson, on the other hand, gave Boothroyd lots of money to buy players. Boothroyd squandered most of it. Don't blame the players. Blame Bassini first and foremost and then the inexperience Dyche. For Boothroyd to comment on the game and to talk about our lack of resources was an insult to us all. It was he who wasted the money.

watfordal says...
12:59pm Sun 6 Nov 11

Feff.....spot on. Lest we ever forget why we are in this financial mess. Aidy you may still like the club but we will never forgive you for the ruin you left behind.

cliff46 says...
1:32pm Sun 6 Nov 11

Feff
If bassini had put in say £10m ( which still wouldn't enough to buy Boro's team) we would all then be grumbling that he had put our clubs future even more at risk than it is already.
I think when you take the cost of wages into account there is already a fair chance that we are spending more than we can actually afford.

cliff46 says...
1:50pm Sun 6 Nov 11

SA hornet
I have previously written that I would stick with Dyche until January. I accept that could be too late but I am not as certain as you are that there are plenty of decent managers eager to come to us.
Even if you are right the way to put some of them off pretty quickly would be to dump the current manager after just 15 games.
I am critical ( but not personally abusive) about some of the repeatedly negative comments on this site. Some of the contributors have been calling for Dyche's departure for several weeks, that surely is unreasonable.
lose

cliff46 says...
1:57pm Sun 6 Nov 11

I don't know how the word 'lose' found it's way to the bottom of my post, perhaps it's Lutondown trying to send me a subliminal message?

garston edl says...
2:09pm Sun 6 Nov 11

Good to have differing views without it getting childish! We're both passionate Watford fans, the fact we are bothering to post on here says that. I will criticise dyche and bassini but I do not on the whole criticise players, with the exception of nosworthy, who on the basis of 3 games has proved me wrong. I even said forsyth shouldnt be booed when he came off against millwall. I write well written, sensible posts, often based on the facts. No 'clapper' on here as ever had a reasoned debate with me about why I want dyche out, or GTs role at the club. All I and others like me get told is we're negative, we've got no money, there's no better managerial options out there, we're punching above our weight. Sorry that's just defeatism. Think about what has happened since dyche was appointed, awful pre season, bad tactics, too many average signings, youth players ignored. Please someone tell me what dyche has done well!!!!!

garston edl says...
2:13pm Sun 6 Nov 11

Sorry, server error! Worth reading 3 times though!

lutondown says...
2:31pm Sun 6 Nov 11

cliff46 wrote:
I don't know how the word 'lose' found it's way to the bottom of my post, perhaps it's Lutondown trying to send me a subliminal message?
no Cleefus I would have added the r to the lose!!!
Nothing subliminal about me matey
We were crap, have been most of the season and can't see a way forward unless our tactics change
You know one interesting thing I find on this board the berating of others posts come mainly from the so called clappers who obviously think they have the right to swear, put down those who disagree with their own lofty views and yet are never censored (Surrey Horn).
Anyway has anyone seen Ilovebasandaidyandan
yonewhohasruinedthis
oncegreatclub I sort of miss her histrionics!!
Eat up Cleef time for a nap Bud

lutondown says...
3:28pm Sun 6 Nov 11

There was only one Scully wrote:
johnnyc72 wrote:
garston edl wrote:
johnnyc72, fair play for going to boro but all you're saying is we had some possession and a few corners, are you happy with that return for your days investment?!
You and the other 'clappers' for want of a better word, need to look at the criticism written on here and acknowledge that some very fair and factual comments are made when criticising the current state of affairs at Watford fc, on and off the pitch.
I agree all is not well in the club. However continual berating of players is not the answer. There was so much criticism of nosworthy before he had even kicked a ball and now there are calls to sign him up permanently. Football is such a fickle business. For 2 games hodson had played well. I actually didn't think he had a bad game yesterday considering he gets such little support from yeates or deeney, yet some of the comments in here make him out to be the worst player ever.

I have no argument with people having a go at the manager, as he is there to manage. To slag off the players, especially the younger ones, sometimes goes a step to far.

However, we are all entitled to our opinion.

Ps. Not a "clapper", just someone who is passionate about our club.
Good constructive criticism from someone who is passionate and not doing the usual 'cut and paste', when we lose.
I was impressed with Noz who seems very mobile for a big fella. To many had off games and appeared affected by the diabolical goal decision.
Second half, a lot of possession but no cutting edge and up against Mowbay bully boys we just never looked as though we would score. SD, I'm afraid got it wrong bringing off big Chris as CB didnt seem to be up for the challenge.
Anyway, a couple of weeks off for SD to turn it around...again!
With the likes of Dickinson, Noseworthy and Olewumo we should take some bullying.
I do agree the officiating was poor at times and there should have been a Boro player taking an early bath alongside a massive mistake of an offside goal, but and heres the real issue. We cannot rely on luck and an onside ref, we need to make our own luck.
No one can convince me our tactics are right, and as for our tactical substitutions.....!?

Hornet Cornet says...
3:29pm Sun 6 Nov 11

How long before Tintin gets the sack I ask? I don't actually care who we get in any more, I just want that useless saddo of a non-manager to get the heave-ho asap. No-one can defend SD or the appointment of him.

Sat in my car in the Harlequin now. If anyone can guess what car I drive, they can have the pleasure of handing SD his letter of sacking.

green4 says...
3:36pm Sun 6 Nov 11

I agree with some other posts that we are actually playing better without Eustace as The Prince looks more likely to add goals frm midfield - although not with yesterday's shooting. Also, Dickinson had a good start to the season but now looks one of our 2 weak links at the back, the other being Hodson. Hodson was was much at fault for the goal as the linesman. He was also being targetted for his lack of height. Why on earth doesn't SD pick 6'1" Tommo before he goes out on loan again or worse still - permanently?

I feel for Bas because he has fully supported SD but SD has wasted his money on players no better than our youngsters.

lutondown says...
3:40pm Sun 6 Nov 11

Chris the Vic wrote:
Lutondown try reading what I said before you say NO.

Given the whole game Boro were better and took the three points.

However, the tackle on Hodson was bad and deserved a card whether it was red or yellow was debatable but it was late , sliding and both sets of studs showing and for me it was a red. The ref, being an idiot kept his cards hidden and liked his own voice.

Down to ten players they would have had problems, that decision allowed Bauben to be ploughed through later in the half and Boro realised the ref was a homer. The goal well enough said but however good Boro were they only scored one dodgy goal.

The officials had huge influence on the game and that is wrong.

As gor GT had he commentated earlier in the day in London, if not then perhaps he needs to consider his position...but then as great a manager as he was for us, he has no qualifications in this day and age to be an executive chairman but as a figurehead I will take him anyday and he is an honest guy.
I have read what you said and I stand by what I said in that we did not deserve to win, and we're lucky we were not out of sight after ten minutes
I thought the tackle was a yellow at best, but being a Rugby player I would wouldn't I? But I do agree in today's poofy climate it could have been red.
We cannot rely on playing ten men to ensure a win and we need to get our tactics right.
Positives for me were Maps and Noseworthy (aka frank Bruno).
And to prove I did read your post Chris de Morgue it actually said 'limp to defeat'
But not wanting to point that out first time around

johnnyc72 says...
3:45pm Sun 6 Nov 11

garston edl wrote:
Good to have differing views without it getting childish! We're both passionate Watford fans, the fact we are bothering to post on here says that. I will criticise dyche and bassini but I do not on the whole criticise players, with the exception of nosworthy, who on the basis of 3 games has proved me wrong. I even said forsyth shouldnt be booed when he came off against millwall. I write well written, sensible posts, often based on the facts. No 'clapper' on here as ever had a reasoned debate with me about why I want dyche out, or GTs role at the club. All I and others like me get told is we're negative, we've got no money, there's no better managerial options out there, we're punching above our weight. Sorry that's just defeatism. Think about what has happened since dyche was appointed, awful pre season, bad tactics, too many average signings, youth players ignored. Please someone tell me what dyche has done well!!!!!
Garston edl. Would be interested to know your opinion on Mackay? Afterall, this treacherous run dates back long before Dyche was manager. Can't quite remember but something like 4 wins out of the last 20 games last season, even with the Championship's top goalscorer.

For me, Dyche has tried to sign experience but perhaps too many. Having said that, he has got a couple right, Hogg and Nosworthy.

rousman 2 says...
4:06pm Sun 6 Nov 11

buckler wrote:
northofwatfordpete wrote:
Was at the Riverside last night and felt that we played OK but not good enough to beat a decent side. Middlesbrough fielded a side that had no weaknesses and all looked very comfortable on the ball. I think Southampton bullied them off the park the other week and they were not going to let us do that to them in front of their home crowd. Several of our team are short of pace and others get knocked off the ball far too easily. Hogg is a decent footballer with some pace but does not contribute nearly enough. Prince looks the part but faded badly last night. Deeney for all his effort is not physical enough. Marvin went missing again and needs to change his attitude or move on.
Hogg was everywhere, what game where you watching? Change your glasses or move on!
Hogg Watford MOM for me.

Bush Hornet says...
4:20pm Sun 6 Nov 11

Hogg was good, as was Loach, Nosworthy & Marriappa. Hodson offers more creatively than Doyley, & Buaben wasn't great but I would stick with him. But please drop Sordell & let him learn he needs to earn his place. He's got potential & now needs a reality check

desk35 says...
5:09pm Sun 6 Nov 11

Ii have no intention of critisising players
My view with decent tactics they can achieve .Reminds me of Devon White with games under GT improved considerably .With the right manager Iamsure the same can happen .We need to stay in the championship to avoid Vicarage Road potentially becoming a development site !

buckler says...
5:19pm Sun 6 Nov 11

female wrote:
lutondown wrote:
Chris the Vic wrote: WFC limp to victory do they WO. Maybe it had something to do with the two studs up tackles that the ref saw but took no action against much to the surprise of the sky commentators. The goal, well as Aidy said, the referees assistant is paid to watch for offsides not follow the game. He failed to do what he was paid for. Not sure Boro didnt deserve the points but should they have had eleven men on the field and should they have that goal counted. In both cases the men in black got it totally wrong and we were cheated. By the way is it just me that cant remember, but has Yeates ever made a tackle whilst playing for us?
no Chris the result was a fair reflection We never looked like scoring they did They played football we never Our tactics are insane and ugly Come on before you all attack us so called knockers explain Jenkins substitution to me? Did you think he would change the game? I bet not. And don't get me started on Hodson
Luton down and out you are a disgrace to this forum, young Hodson was fantastic against Brighton and Pererborough where were your comments then, only slag off certain players when thing dont go right. The tackle on Hodson was at the least a yellow if not a red, and the tackle that led to the goal was a foul after watching it a few times the goal was a mile offside. Jenkins was brought on to strengthen the midfield because we went 3 at the back lay off the young players you bald headed muppet. The officials 1 Watford 0
Total and utter Drivel! That weasel aidy has finally gone the whole hogg and become what he always dreamt of being! Hodson is a joke and how Jenkins ever made a pro footballer is beyond me! My head needs a polish female fancy it?

cliff46 says...
10:03pm Sun 6 Nov 11

Delighted to say that one of my sons has made me a grandad again this evening so that's one more clapper on board!,

Hornet Cornet says...
10:31pm Sun 6 Nov 11

Congrats on the new grandchild Cliffy. These things put football into perspective. Congrats once again! I shall clap honorarily this evening

cliff46 says...
11:07pm Sun 6 Nov 11

Thank you Hornet Cornet, very much appreciated.

lutondown says...
5:32am Mon 7 Nov 11

cliff46 wrote:
Thank you Hornet Cornet, very much appreciated.
Hey Cleef so you join the exclusive Granddad club! My congrats to you buddy and your family,
Nows the important part the indoctrination to being a fully pledged Hornet.
And on this one occasion I'm glad to do this clap clap clap!!

tonupchris says...
9:54am Mon 7 Nov 11

Not a bad first half apart from the first 10 minutes but having survived this we looked the better side. Not sure how the referees assistant didn't spot the offside when he's looking along the penalty box line. This seemed to knock the stuffing out of us and apart from the odd set piece we rarley looked like scoring which brings me on to the main point.
We lacked creativity again (set pieces aside which to be fair we do look dangerous at) so what options do we have. The 5 subs rule definitely doesn't help us but as Deeney very honestly says, he is not a winger so why on earth do we play him there. He is a center forward, he may not be good enough to play up front but if he is to play give the guy a chance and play him in his proper position. If we desperatley need a goal who would you want to come on? Forsyth and Jenkins or Whichelow and Murray. We need to play these guys or at least have them on the bench. They are quick, skillfull and show plenty of promise and that could have made a big difference to a tight game with few chances. I don't understand why they're never involved and maybe we should take notice of Palace who are playing their youngsters and are having a great season. Last year we played them but as they tired in the second half of the season we had nobody to come in. Now we have with the new signings so it's possible to rotate them if required we have gone the complete other way and are not playing them at all. If you look at the season so far apart from Southampton and Palace (which was terrible) a lit bit of creativity would have got us something out Forest, Derby, Boro and Coventry and we would be mid table.
Having said all of that we lost to a team that don't concede many and were expected to do well this season( currently third I believe) and we had played a lot better in the previous two games so all is not lost. Portsmouth, Doncaster and Bristol City are the next 3 and are massive games.
On the plus side, I thought Loach looked a lot better and Mariappa and Nosworthy seem to play well together.
Team for the next game.
Loach
Hodson or Thompson
Dickinson
Nosworthy
Mariappa
Whichelow
Yeates
Hogg
Sordell (top of the diamond)
Garner
Beattie or Deeney
Subs
Big Chris
Murray
Mirfin
Beattie or Deeney
Bauben

I don't think Bauben has done anything wrong and could play a decent part this season. I haven't included Kightly as he never seems to be fit which is a shame as when he plays he looks quality. No goalkeeper either at it seems pointless.
Finally. Play the ball on the floor and don't hoof it as far as you can. It's called FOOTball. There is a clue in the title. Play to feet and we would be a much better side as we have some good players. Watch Spain rip England apart next weekend and they'll show you how to play football.
COYGB

cliff46 says...
10:41am Mon 7 Nov 11

Many thanks Lutondown your kind words are much appreciated.
We have got to increase attendances in any way we can!

Colin West's mullet says...
11:39am Mon 7 Nov 11

Casterbridge wrote:
If Watford were poor, then by all accounts listening to 3CR, and apart from the opening 10 minutes, Middlesborough were worse - and look where they are in the table. Just one oddity: at the end Nosworthy went forward - and played on the wing with Forsyth in the middle! What was all that about? So let's not be downhearted: 10 points from the next 12 would put us back where we ought to be.
League 1?

SAHornet says...
11:56am Mon 7 Nov 11

cliff46 wrote:
SA hornet
I have previously written that I would stick with Dyche until January. I accept that could be too late but I am not as certain as you are that there are plenty of decent managers eager to come to us.
Even if you are right the way to put some of them off pretty quickly would be to dump the current manager after just 15 games.
I am critical ( but not personally abusive) about some of the repeatedly negative comments on this site. Some of the contributors have been calling for Dyche's departure for several weeks, that surely is unreasonable.
lose
No, cliff46, not particularly unreasonable but now would be the time to appoint a new manager. The real difference between your views and mine is just one of timing methinks.

On another, much more upbeat matter, many congrats on your family's new arrival. May he bring you loads of joy

lutondown says...
1:59pm Mon 7 Nov 11

cliff46 wrote:
Many thanks Lutondown your kind words are much appreciated.
We have got to increase attendances in any way we can!
your dead right Cleef but knowing you, you'll ban the baby rattle, teach the lad to sit and watch in total silence, trained on puréed prawns!!
Being a Gramps myself (far too young methinks!) it's even better than parenthood in as much you get the best bits and when it all gets a bit Whiney you hand them back!
Anyway nicities over, poor old boofers went out in record time, I went through west Watford this morning and it sounded like a banshee crying!
I will miss his tasteful insults, baldie, ugly, Bucklers bum boy etc bless

cliff46 says...
5:19pm Mon 7 Nov 11

SA hornet
many thanks for the good wishes, they are much appreciated.
I guess you are right it is about timing, you think now, I think maybe january but I suspect GT will say not less than two years?

cliff46 says...
5:34pm Mon 7 Nov 11

You are right Lutondown I do hope eventually to get him to understand how we upper rous people cherish our peace and quiet.
I do have one huge problem and that is that they live in south devon which means there is the terrible risk of him becoming a Plymouth supporter!!! I just couldnt cope with that.

lutondown says...
6:22pm Mon 7 Nov 11

cliff46 wrote:
You are right Lutondown I do hope eventually to get him to understand how we upper rous people cherish our peace and quiet.
I do have one huge problem and that is that they live in south devon which means there is the terrible risk of him becoming a Plymouth supporter!!! I just couldnt cope with that.
Lol! But keep him away at from that Cornish Border at all costs, otherwise he will despise all things English, talk dead funny and start eating pasties over prawns (God forbid).
Back to matters in hand I do think he must start looking at Thompson and Witchelow (I also see Massey is banging them in)
We have heard for a few years about our fabled academy, I think we would like to see the fruits of that. I would rather see a side grow as a unit than to witness our patchwork quilt of a team. A fit Kightly nor Beattie would never be here, we cannot afford to be a rehab for Premiership crocks.
Luton Down-And- Out (I do like the doube barrel dear Boofers rechristened me with!) Baldy Out (But not down)

cliff46 says...
9:09pm Mon 7 Nov 11

Lutondown
I agree with just about everything you write partularly about the pasties and I would much prefer to watch our own youngsters otherwise we are wasting the sizeable investment it costs us.

John Howard Norfolk says...
3:05pm Tue 8 Nov 11

Loach played well.

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