Could the DLR or Bakerloo line be coming to Bromley?

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South London is very much the poor relation of its northern counterpart when it comes to public transport. DAVID MILLS looks at how things could one day change.

A SERIES of transport projects are on the horizon which could potentially see major rail and tram extensions into the borough.

Transport for London has started to look at the business case for transport improvements across the capital, but it could be a while before anything happens as recommendations are not expected until 2017.

Suggestions mooted could significantly enhance Bromley's connections with other parts of London.

These include bringing the Docklands Light Railway, Tramlink or Underground to the borough.

TRAMLINK

A £170m plan to extend the Croydon Tramlink to Crystal Palace was shelved in November 2008 by the Mayor of London along with £3bn worth of other transport projects in the capital.

It is understood this could be now back on the cards along with the possibility of an extension from Beckenham Junction to Bromley.

Under the council's local implementation plan, the Tramlink coming to Bromley town centre would happen any time from 2022 to 2030 at a cost of £100m, although this figure is said to be underestimated.

When the Crystal Palace extension was considered in the early 2000s, a proposed route was suggested from Harrington Road via stops in Penge Road, Anerley Road, Crystal Palace railway station and terminating at the bus station.

DLR

It has been the council's formal policy to bring the DLR to Bromley North for some time now.

The South East London Rail Access Study looked at several ways of improving rail connections in the area.

For Bromley this involved extending the DLR from Lewisham to Bromley North via Hither Green and Grove Park.

UNDERGROUND

The study also considered extending the Bakerloo line from Elephant & Castle to Lewisham via Camberwell and Peckham or Old Kent Road and then on to Beckenham Junction and Hayes, with another option running from Lewisham to Bromley North.

However it cites deliverability issues with the lack of a depot location, as well as the additional cost of tunnelling and lack of reallocation of train paths to National Rail.

The council says it is unlikely to support any extension to Hayes which results in the loss of direct services to Charing Cross, Cannon Street or London Bridge.

Portfolio holder for environment Councillor Colin Smith said: “We strongly believe that either the DLR or possibly the Bakerloo line must be extended to Bromley North as a priority.

"This will bring huge benefits to our residents by enabling them to make quicker and easier journeys to not only central London but also Docklands and east London.

"This remains our very clear message to Transport for London. We also remain supportive in principal of the possible extension of tram link to Crystal Palace.”

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4:30pm Mon 23 Jan 12

Steve7 says...

Please don't waste any of our money on yet another Boris vanity project. It's not needed, and part of the benefits of living in Bromley is the relatively peaceful nature of the place. We don't want a load of riff raff coming into the Borough from neighbouring boroughs. I am sure the crime rate went up when all those undesirables from Croydon came into Beckenhan on the Tramlink.
Please don't waste any of our money on yet another Boris vanity project. It's not needed, and part of the benefits of living in Bromley is the relatively peaceful nature of the place. We don't want a load of riff raff coming into the Borough from neighbouring boroughs. I am sure the crime rate went up when all those undesirables from Croydon came into Beckenhan on the Tramlink. Steve7

4:36pm Mon 23 Jan 12

the wall says...

Steve7 wrote:
Please don't waste any of our money on yet another Boris vanity project. It's not needed, and part of the benefits of living in Bromley is the relatively peaceful nature of the place. We don't want a load of riff raff coming into the Borough from neighbouring boroughs. I am sure the crime rate went up when all those undesirables from Croydon came into Beckenhan on the Tramlink.
Yeah that's right, because there never was a bus or anything that people could get on and travel to places.
[quote][p][bold]Steve7[/bold] wrote: Please don't waste any of our money on yet another Boris vanity project. It's not needed, and part of the benefits of living in Bromley is the relatively peaceful nature of the place. We don't want a load of riff raff coming into the Borough from neighbouring boroughs. I am sure the crime rate went up when all those undesirables from Croydon came into Beckenhan on the Tramlink.[/p][/quote]Yeah that's right, because there never was a bus or anything that people could get on and travel to places. the wall

8:05pm Mon 23 Jan 12

goldenbroomboy says...

Colin Smith is talking rubbish. Those of us who use Bromley North want the direct service to London restored, we are not bothered about having a Bakerloo line service to Harrow & Wealdstone.

As for the DLR, the terminus is at Lewisham. Why not just catch the bus?

As for the proposed tram extension to Crystal Palace, Colin is offering his support to Boris' propaganda exercise without suggesting as to how this proposal is going to be financed. I would like to make everybody happy & love one another, but I do not know how this will be financed either.
Colin Smith is talking rubbish. Those of us who use Bromley North want the direct service to London restored, we are not bothered about having a Bakerloo line service to Harrow & Wealdstone. As for the DLR, the terminus is at Lewisham. Why not just catch the bus? As for the proposed tram extension to Crystal Palace, Colin is offering his support to Boris' propaganda exercise without suggesting as to how this proposal is going to be financed. I would like to make everybody happy & love one another, but I do not know how this will be financed either. goldenbroomboy

8:40am Tue 24 Jan 12

GODUPERE2 says...

Keep the tube and DLR out of South London , All it brings is scummers from the north.
Keep the tube and DLR out of South London , All it brings is scummers from the north. GODUPERE2

4:26pm Tue 24 Jan 12

mynameisrobb says...

I travel to Bromley daily for work. Nightmare to get anywhere from Bromley! Unless of course you wish to sit in traffic for hours on a bus (to get to Sidcup or Lewisham) or wait hours for a train at Bromley North (to get anywhere in London other then Victoria). However, it's not just the transport issues in Bromley that need to be rectified. While we pay more for travel we seem to be rewarded with a service that is getting progressively worse and worse! TFL should be ashamed of the level of service we receive! And as for scummers/undesirable
s... Working in Bromley I can assure you they have already infiltrated... Sorry :(
I travel to Bromley daily for work. Nightmare to get anywhere from Bromley! Unless of course you wish to sit in traffic for hours on a bus (to get to Sidcup or Lewisham) or wait hours for a train at Bromley North (to get anywhere in London other then Victoria). However, it's not just the transport issues in Bromley that need to be rectified. While we pay more for travel we seem to be rewarded with a service that is getting progressively worse and worse! TFL should be ashamed of the level of service we receive! And as for scummers/undesirable s... Working in Bromley I can assure you they have already infiltrated... Sorry :( mynameisrobb

12:11pm Wed 25 Jan 12

concerned.erith says...

What about Bexley - when you check the transport link maps DLR is Greenwich, High Speed rail is Dartford, Tram is Bromey and Croydon but Bexley has nothing!

Why can't we have better transport links???
What about Bexley - when you check the transport link maps DLR is Greenwich, High Speed rail is Dartford, Tram is Bromey and Croydon but Bexley has nothing! Why can't we have better transport links??? concerned.erith

12:32pm Thu 26 Jan 12

Make Life says...

GODUPERE2 wrote:
Keep the tube and DLR out of South London , All it brings is scummers from the north.
the DLR stops in Lewisham, thats south london!! also the tube stops at New Cross and this is also south london.
[quote][p][bold]GODUPERE2[/bold] wrote: Keep the tube and DLR out of South London , All it brings is scummers from the north.[/p][/quote]the DLR stops in Lewisham, thats south london!! also the tube stops at New Cross and this is also south london. Make Life

1:59pm Thu 26 Jan 12

Kentish says...

A Bakerloo tube from Bromley North would go to Charing Cross so therefore restoring the direct link between Bromley & Charging Cross which can't be done by Network Rail due to the congestion at London Bridge and there only being 6 platforms at Charing Cross Overall a win win I would have thought.
A Bakerloo tube from Bromley North would go to Charing Cross so therefore restoring the direct link between Bromley & Charging Cross which can't be done by Network Rail due to the congestion at London Bridge and there only being 6 platforms at Charing Cross Overall a win win I would have thought. Kentish

4:38pm Thu 26 Jan 12

goldenbroomboy says...

Kentish wrote:
A Bakerloo tube from Bromley North would go to Charing Cross so therefore restoring the direct link between Bromley & Charging Cross which can't be done by Network Rail due to the congestion at London Bridge and there only being 6 platforms at Charing Cross Overall a win win I would have thought.
I am sure that Network Rail could find room if they wanted to! And congestion at London Bridge could be ameliorated by pulling up the bike racks on platform 7 & laying down railtracks again. Yes there are only six platforms at Charing X, but why not terminate the Bromley North route at Cannon Street instead, anybody who wants Charing X can change at London Bridge?

I really do not see the point of spending x millions of pounds & suffering years of grief on a tube extension to Bromley North. If we need Lewisham, we can get there by bus, if we need Elephant, we already have a train service. You don't get much more "Landan" than Ken Livingstone, and even he blue pencilled tube extensions south of the river on the grounds that they were unnecessary & cost too much.
[quote][p][bold]Kentish[/bold] wrote: A Bakerloo tube from Bromley North would go to Charing Cross so therefore restoring the direct link between Bromley & Charging Cross which can't be done by Network Rail due to the congestion at London Bridge and there only being 6 platforms at Charing Cross Overall a win win I would have thought.[/p][/quote]I am sure that Network Rail could find room if they wanted to! And congestion at London Bridge could be ameliorated by pulling up the bike racks on platform 7 & laying down railtracks again. Yes there are only six platforms at Charing X, but why not terminate the Bromley North route at Cannon Street instead, anybody who wants Charing X can change at London Bridge? I really do not see the point of spending x millions of pounds & suffering years of grief on a tube extension to Bromley North. If we need Lewisham, we can get there by bus, if we need Elephant, we already have a train service. You don't get much more "Landan" than Ken Livingstone, and even he blue pencilled tube extensions south of the river on the grounds that they were unnecessary & cost too much. goldenbroomboy

8:30pm Thu 26 Jan 12

toomush2drink says...

I very much doubt a tube extension will happen once they look into the costs.The biggest reason the southeast hasnt a tube service is the amount of gravel they will have to tunnel through.

If the did do it though all those homeowners will be happy as historically where ever a new DLR,tram or tube service goes to invariably makes house prices rise in the local areas.Just look at lewisham, property was peanuts pre dlr then the dlr goes in and its suddenly some trendy desireable place to live (if you dont know the area).
I very much doubt a tube extension will happen once they look into the costs.The biggest reason the southeast hasnt a tube service is the amount of gravel they will have to tunnel through. If the did do it though all those homeowners will be happy as historically where ever a new DLR,tram or tube service goes to invariably makes house prices rise in the local areas.Just look at lewisham, property was peanuts pre dlr then the dlr goes in and its suddenly some trendy desireable place to live (if you dont know the area). toomush2drink

4:27pm Fri 27 Jan 12

Marty1979 says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
Colin Smith is talking rubbish. Those of us who use Bromley North want the direct service to London restored, we are not bothered about having a Bakerloo line service to Harrow & Wealdstone. As for the DLR, the terminus is at Lewisham. Why not just catch the bus? As for the proposed tram extension to Crystal Palace, Colin is offering his support to Boris' propaganda exercise without suggesting as to how this proposal is going to be financed. I would like to make everybody happy & love one another, but I do not know how this will be financed either.
Try getting on a bus from Bromley to Lewisham!
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: Colin Smith is talking rubbish. Those of us who use Bromley North want the direct service to London restored, we are not bothered about having a Bakerloo line service to Harrow & Wealdstone. As for the DLR, the terminus is at Lewisham. Why not just catch the bus? As for the proposed tram extension to Crystal Palace, Colin is offering his support to Boris' propaganda exercise without suggesting as to how this proposal is going to be financed. I would like to make everybody happy & love one another, but I do not know how this will be financed either.[/p][/quote]Try getting on a bus from Bromley to Lewisham! Marty1979

9:39am Mon 30 Jan 12

GODUPERE2 says...

Make Life wrote:
GODUPERE2 wrote: Keep the tube and DLR out of South London , All it brings is scummers from the north.
the DLR stops in Lewisham, thats south london!! also the tube stops at New Cross and this is also south london.
Yes and thats far enough thanks. Pedantic!
[quote][p][bold]Make Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GODUPERE2[/bold] wrote: Keep the tube and DLR out of South London , All it brings is scummers from the north.[/p][/quote]the DLR stops in Lewisham, thats south london!! also the tube stops at New Cross and this is also south london.[/p][/quote]Yes and thats far enough thanks. Pedantic! GODUPERE2

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