LEWISHAM: Joint statement condemns BNP 'race hate'
1:18pm Monday 22nd March 2010 in
COUNCILLORS, religious leaders and union representatives have joined together to condemn the British National Party.
A joint statement by 44 people accuses the party, which is contesting Lewisham’s mayoral election, of stirring up race hate.
Along with other mayoral candidates, signatories also include the Bishop of Woolwich the Rt Rev Christopher Chessun and Archdeacon of Lewisham and Greenwich the Venerable Christine Hardman.
Representatives from Unison, the National Union of Teachers and students’ unions have also signed.
The statement says: "As representatives of many political opinions and parties in Lewisham, we affirm the values of unity, tolerance and mutual respect, which have always helped people from different backgrounds to live together.
"We are deeply concerned at the activity of racist and fascist groups such as the British National Party, which use people’s fears to stir up race hate, which their candidacy in the Lewisham mayoral election will seek to do.
"We also reject their demonisation of Muslims, and their claim to speak for Christians, as an affront to all our religions and beliefs and a danger to the unity of the whole community.
"In the next few months the people of Lewisham will choose their mayor who will lead Lewisham Council in all its policies at the town hall.
"We believe that a high turnout of voters will minimise the impact of candidates on extremist platforms in our borough.
"So we urge the overwhelming majority to turn out and vote, and give a clear signal that messages of race hatred and division are not welcome here."
Chairman of the Lewisham Anti-Racist Action group Councillor Jarman Parmar, who organised the statement, said: "Fascists were stopped in Cable Street in 1936 and at Lewisham in 1977, by myself and many others. They must be stopped today."
Tess Culnane, who has previously run for the National Front and has spoken at a meeting of the far-right British People’s Party, is standing as the BNP candidate.
The British People's Party sells statues of Adolf Hitler on its website for £15.
She said: "I'm representing a democratic, legal political party.
"I'll be representing the people of Lewisham who have witnessed the destruction of a once safe and decent borough.
"The BNP is the voice of the silent majority and I feel honoured to be chosen to represent them in the forthcoming election."
Comments(42)
Orp Boy
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1:56pm Mon 22 Mar 10
Erastus
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2:01pm Mon 22 Mar 10
"I know many educated people voting for BNP. Time you woke up and realised this. It may not be the party you want in but over a million people do."
Orp Boy, being educated doesn't naturally make one intelligent. As you are neither, if I were you I would stick to what you know best; i.e. defending policies designed to incite racial hatred and discrimination.
Now, off you pop to play with your nan's money box.
Erastus
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2:08pm Mon 22 Mar 10
Then again, don't hold your breath folks. Golding doesn't like it when his back's against the wall.
Orp Boy
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2:15pm Mon 22 Mar 10
Still can’t believe you wrote a comment on here and didn’t use the wood Troll.
The BNP are rising and the Lord im mean old man Erastus don’t like it ! .
Erastus
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3:27pm Mon 22 Mar 10
Still, what else could I expect from someone who advocates the BNP?
Who is the 'wood Troll' when it is at home?
How amusing!
Erastus
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3:41pm Mon 22 Mar 10
SE9,10,18
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4:40pm Mon 22 Mar 10
D Mallard
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5:09pm Mon 22 Mar 10
SE9 your comments with regards to the immigration floodgates is so true and the main parties have to address this so that people do not vote in desparation because of this situation and so that the BNP lose their clout with their argument.
bob estes
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10:40pm Mon 22 Mar 10
OckendonPaul
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10:51pm Mon 22 Mar 10
And SE9 is only partially right. This multi-cultural society is only a passing phase in the changing of this country from a majority white society to a majority non-white one.
Think I'm wrong? Who's going to stop it? Which one of the main parties is going to turn into the BNP?
OckendonPaul
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11:21pm Mon 22 Mar 10
But ooohhh no, it's the "race hate" of the BNP that's the main threat! Don't see many people dieing from it though..
Sayso
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11:34pm Mon 22 Mar 10
Is it the immigrant population really responsible for the majority of crime in this country or is it actually the knuckle-dragging white variety of criminal, the kind of numbskull who would vote BNP if they weren't in prison?
OckendonPaul
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11:47pm Mon 22 Mar 10
Sayso
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11:57pm Mon 22 Mar 10
I understand now that every single burglar, thief, rapist and killer is of immigrant stock. None of them are 'our boys' because otherwise I'd remember all their names wouldn't I?
OckendonPaul
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12:05am Tue 23 Mar 10
Sayso
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12:15am Tue 23 Mar 10
The BNP tries to fuel hate and prejudice by feeding stupid and ignorant people with the idea that immigrants are all criminals and all crime is committed by immigrants when these things simply aren't true. People who use crime as an excuse to follow the BNP conveniently forget all the terrible crimes carried out by their 'own kind'.
OckendonPaul
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12:22am Tue 23 Mar 10
But even if we were the scummiest people on earth, and even if all immigrants were angels sent from heaven, we still reserve the right to remain the majority population and culture in our own country, just as all other peoples do in theirs, That's all really.
Time for bed now - good night.
eccythump
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1:16am Tue 23 Mar 10
Erastus
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7:39am Tue 23 Mar 10
bob estes wrote:No, estes. People turn to the BNP because they are disillusioned and the BNP takes full advantage of the fact, just as the Nazis did back in 1930s Germany. Try being a 'twerp' like me, and actually read a bit of history instead of believing the propaganda which spills from Herr Griffin's mouth. The first book I would recommend is, 'The Nazis: A Warning From History' by Laurence Rees. You'll be relieved to hear that there are some pictures for you to look at when the text gets a bit too much for you to understand. Perhaps you could get someone to read it to you? Whichever way you digest its contents, you will learn how the BNP's tactics mirror exactly those of the Nazis. After that, you might be interested in asking the same person to read you Ian Kershaw's biography, 'Hitler'. Kershaw's biography is a little less biased than Hitler's own version of events as told in Mein Kampf.
What a pompous obnoxious windbag this Erastus chap is. No wonder people turn to the BNP when you have gutter-snipe twerps like this against them.
I have disagreed with Sayso on a number of different issues but am glad to say that I am with him on this one all the way. Making scapegoats of minorities does not solve anything; in fact, it makes matters a darn site worse by inciting hate and turning members of communities against one another. If you want to blame anyone, blame the politicians of the main parties. As I have said before, it is up to the MPs to prove that they have learned by their expenses fiddling and realised the damage that has resulted in decent people even considering voting BNP in the first place.
Orp Boy
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9:49am Tue 23 Mar 10
Most crimes are commited by whites becuase the country is still mainly populated by whites, however is you look at percentages then it is not the same, This comes direct from the Ministry of Justice website
There were 3.8 times more arrests of Black people per head of population than of White people (compared with 3.6 times the previous year).
Sayso
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10:40am Tue 23 Mar 10
What page on the Ministry of Justice website or publication does that figure come from? Without seeing it for myself, I highly doubt its validity. Statistics can be plucked from thin air to manipulate any argument or prejudice.
In the unlikely event it is actually true then what does it actually prove anyway? Are the police targeting black people more? Are the people being arrested actually being committed of crimes? What sort of crimes are they being arrested for?
Another thing to keep in mind is that obviously skin colour and immigration are not necessarily linked. I'm sure you would acknowledge the vast majority of black people arrested are going to be born and bred UK citizens and not immigrants, just like the vast majority of ANY people arrested are going to be born and bred UK citizens.
Orp Boy
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10:47am Tue 23 Mar 10
ov.uk/stats-race-cri
minal-justice-system
-07-08-revised.pdf
Sayso
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10:47am Tue 23 Mar 10
Sayso
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11:00am Tue 23 Mar 10
Orp Boy wrote:Thanks for providing the link. It was interesting to read the report, although there is still very little conclusion or definitive meaning which can be drawn from the stream of percentages and stats contained within it.
Sayso http://www.justice.g ov.uk/stats-race-cri minal-justice-system -07-08-revised.pdf
You plucked one figure out earlier to try and prove a point, while I could reply with this one "A greater proportion of White defendants (78%) were found guilty than Black (75%)" to argue another point.
The fact is these stats can be twisted around to suit any individual's needs.
If you read reports like these and then draw the conclusion that the BNP is the party to vote for then there is something very wrong about that, in my opinion.
Orp Boy
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11:42am Tue 23 Mar 10
I think it funny that people like Erastus who think because they are over 70 know more about what is happening to Britain than anyone else. He has convinced himself that a tiny proportion of the population which are made up of uneducated skin heads without a job are the only people that vote BNP. I only came on here to answer the old fool who clearly believes he knows more than anyone else and should receive a knighthood or something.
Erastus
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12:00pm Tue 23 Mar 10
Orp Boy wrote:Orp Boy, let me make something very clear to you. I fully accept that not all BNP supporters are skinheads and under 70-years of age. Indeed, ignorance is wide-ranging and knows no age or class barriers; you have yourself proved that during this debate and others like it.
I didn’t read this report and then decide to vote BNP. You started mentioning Ian Huntley being white so I gave you a government report showing per head white people are less likely to commit crime than black people. I think it funny that people like Erastus who think because they are over 70 know more about what is happening to Britain than anyone else. He has convinced himself that a tiny proportion of the population which are made up of uneducated skin heads without a job are the only people that vote BNP. I only came on here to answer the old fool who clearly believes he knows more than anyone else and should receive a knighthood or something.
Sayso
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12:17pm Tue 23 Mar 10
SE9,10,18
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2:05pm Tue 23 Mar 10
Orp Boy
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2:10pm Tue 23 Mar 10
SE9,10,18
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2:32pm Tue 23 Mar 10
Orp Boy
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2:56pm Tue 23 Mar 10
Erastus
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5:22pm Tue 23 Mar 10
Orp Boy wrote:Orp Boy, behave for goodness sake. You're obviously on a wind-up and, if not, I feel very sorry for you.
I dont want my children growing up in a slum full of mosques and aids where crime is the the way of life. Going to school to be preached too about islam.
BNP supporters are, thank goodness, a very small minority, no matter how much nonsense they spout. Intelligent, decent, voters will never put their crosses beside the British Nazi Party, so dream on. Better still, get some history books and educate yourself on the dangers of far-right wing politics. I've already recommended a couple of books you should read, so why not make yourself busy and actually READ them instead of coming on here and talking out of the back of your Nazi hat!
bob estes
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5:25pm Tue 23 Mar 10
Erastus wrote:Can't you realize how much of a fool you look ranting on with yourself like this?
bob estes wrote:No, estes. People turn to the BNP because they are disillusioned and the BNP takes full advantage of the fact, just as the Nazis did back in 1930s Germany. Try being a 'twerp' like me, and actually read a bit of history instead of believing the propaganda which spills from Herr Griffin's mouth. The first book I would recommend is, 'The Nazis: A Warning From History' by Laurence Rees. You'll be relieved to hear that there are some pictures for you to look at when the text gets a bit too much for you to understand. Perhaps you could get someone to read it to you? Whichever way you digest its contents, you will learn how the BNP's tactics mirror exactly those of the Nazis. After that, you might be interested in asking the same person to read you Ian Kershaw's biography, 'Hitler'. Kershaw's biography is a little less biased than Hitler's own version of events as told in Mein Kampf.
What a pompous obnoxious windbag this Erastus chap is. No wonder people turn to the BNP when you have gutter-snipe twerps like this against them.
I have disagreed with Sayso on a number of different issues but am glad to say that I am with him on this one all the way. Making scapegoats of minorities does not solve anything; in fact, it makes matters a darn site worse by inciting hate and turning members of communities against one another. If you want to blame anyone, blame the politicians of the main parties. As I have said before, it is up to the MPs to prove that they have learned by their expenses fiddling and realised the damage that has resulted in decent people even considering voting BNP in the first place.
Orp Boy
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9:33am Wed 24 Mar 10
Erastus wrote:'very small minority' keep dreaming while we keep growing !
Orp Boy wrote: I dont want my children growing up in a slum full of mosques and aids where crime is the the way of life. Going to school to be preached too about islam.Orp Boy, behave for goodness sake. You're obviously on a wind-up and, if not, I feel very sorry for you. BNP supporters are, thank goodness, a very small minority, no matter how much nonsense they spout. Intelligent, decent, voters will never put their crosses beside the British Nazi Party, so dream on. Better still, get some history books and educate yourself on the dangers of far-right wing politics. I've already recommended a couple of books you should read, so why not make yourself busy and actually READ them instead of coming on here and talking out of the back of your Nazi hat!
Orp Boy
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9:56am Wed 24 Mar 10
SE9,10,18
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2:51pm Wed 24 Mar 10
Orp Boy wrote:I agree totally. Intelligence has nothing to do with this. Heck, Im sure intelligent people voted Labour in, look where that got us. Still dont support the BNP though....
Erastus you keep saying intelligent decent voters wont vote BNP. You are so far from the truth it makes me laugh. My wife , my father my father/mother in law, teachers, Bankers, police, all types of people will be voting BNP. Just because you dont agree with them doesnt make them less intelligent or not a decent voter how ever much you keep saying it
Orp Boy
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3:18pm Wed 24 Mar 10
1. Decent, educated people with more than and ounce of brains between their ears will NEVER vote BNP
2. BNP it’s time to give up no-one wants you
3. Intelligent decent voters will never put their crosses beside the British Nazi Party
I take these comments that this man thinks he is more educated , and more intellegent than anyone that votes BNP. My point is he is not
StayFrosty
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3:46pm Fri 26 Mar 10
I saw a comment on here describe her as a patriot. What could be less patriotic than a statue of Hitler?
Orp Boy
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10:17am Mon 29 Mar 10
StayFrosty wrote:I would be intrigued to know who you are voting. Probably The Respect party.
Sorry, but this IS an intelligence issue. If you vote in someone like this woman who has such a clear link to a neo-Nazi group then you are stupid. Not disillusioned with politics. You're STUPID. Plain and simple. I saw a comment on here describe her as a patriot. What could be less patriotic than a statue of Hitler?
Another person thinking they are above other people depending on who they vote for.
StayFrosty
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12:57pm Mon 29 Mar 10
I notice you have failed again to answer the Nazi point. What do you think about that? You must have some opinion?
english patriot
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12:00am Wed 14 Apr 10
THEN MAYBE SOMTHING WILL BE DONE ABOUT ALL THE STABBINGS AND SHOOTING OF LATE ITS GETTING OUT OF CONTROL IN BROCKLEY. I KNOW OF AT LEAST 10 NEW VOTERS WHO WILL BE VOTING THIS YEAR, THEY JUST CANT TAKE THIS MULTICULT ANYMORE. ITS KILLING SOCIETY.
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Erastus says...
1:34pm Mon 22 Mar 10
Does the old timer in the picture actually think we are going to take her seriously? I mean, just look at the red telephone money box in the on the shelf behind her, next to the many books she has never read. Then again, perhaps it has been stragetically placed in front of her copy of Mein Kampf in order to spare her blushes?
BNP, it's time to give up. No one wants you, no one likes you and no one actually takes any notice of your ridiculous 'policies'. Go back to your marquees and swap some Nazi memorabilia; it's about all you're good for.