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Fans give views on stadium move for Wycombe Wanderers and London Wasps at 'ballot'


Watch a video of what fans told The Bucks Free Press above.

TAXPAYERS should contribute to moving Wycombe Wanderers and London Wasps to a new stadium, most fans in favour of a move said in a survey.

About half of those surveyed at Saturday’s Wanderers game said they backed a move to Booker – and of those, two-thirds backed using council cash and land to help pay for it.

It comes following weeks of public debate over the issue. Wasps and Wanderers owner Steve Hayes has warned the rugby club could leave Wycombe unless a new home is found.

Conservative-controlled Wycombe District Council could sell land to finance the stadium, mooted to move from Adams Park to Wycombe Air Park.

Liberal Democrat Councillor Steve Guy, who organised the ballot, said: “It is clear from the results that the supporters are sharply divided.

“If the venture is to go ahead, I want assurances about how the money spent will bring tangible benefits to Wycombe tax payers.”

The Totteridge Councillor added: “Clearly having London Wasps playing in Wycombe is also a good thing.

“But we must be mindful of the long and proud history of Wycombe Wanderers.”

What do you think? Leave your comments below.

But Mr Hayes dismissed the ballot as a ‘straw poll’.

He said: “What I would like to do is find out how the community feels about it, not just a few people walking up to a game. We had a crowd over 4,000.”

Fans who filled out the forms ‘haven’t got all the information’ he said. Meetings have been held behind closed doors at WDC with the press and public excluded. Mr Hayes has pledged to issue a ‘detailed’ public statement on the plans.

Mr Hayes said: “Anybody that I speak to, there are very few people that have negative comments about it. But I can’t take that as read.”

Yet WDC leader Councillor Lesley Clarke said: “I am quite pleased with that turnout.

“However, we will have wait and see what will go on and whether Booker is the preferred site.”

She said Cllr Guy conducted the ballot ‘completely too early’.

The first question was: “Are you in favour of moving from Adams Park to a new shared community stadium with the Wasps in Booker?”

A total 373 said yes and 389 said no.

The second question, for those who answered yes to the first, was: “Should Wycombe residents help pay for this new community stadium through local taxes/sale of publicly owned assets?”

Some 249 said yes, 114 said no and 10 said they had no opinion.

Fan reaction:

Fans spoken to by Midweek backed the move.

John Miller, 60, of Gomm Place, High Wycombe, said: “I think they definitely need a bigger stadium. You need somewhere near a motorway for visiting fans to get to.”

Company director Lawrie Read, 64, of the Three Households, Chalfont St Giles: “ I think it’s a good idea, the problem with this stadium is the access and coming and going has become more of a nightmare. Anything that improves that is good.”

Season ticket holder James Cairney, 67, said Wanderers would need a new stadium if promoted.

He said: “It would be alright here as long as they could find another way in or out.”

Lifelong fan Michael Chandler, 71, a chartered surveyor from Salisbury, said: “I’m for it because I think it will be a better position, the two clubs will be able to operate better.

“Wycombe benefits enormously commercially from the presence of the two clubs in the town.”

Lecturer Lorraine Dicker, 47, of Blind Lane, Bourne End said: “I’m very keen. I think it will be excellent for the clubs, this isn’t the easiest place to get to.

“Somewhere up near the motorway would be better.”

Michael White, 60, of Brimmers Hill, Widmer End, said: “We’d like to move, Wasps fill it up and Wanderers will if we go up again.”

Click the links below for more stories on the plan.

Several readers have pointed out the original headline for this article could have been seen to be misleading. In light of these concerns and in the interests of accuracy we have since amended the headline. Subsequent to this we have also altered a picture caption following complaints. We hope this resolves any confusion that may have arisen.

Comments(31)

ArnyP_HW says...
2:13pm Mon 8 Mar 10

REALLY? Am I the only person who detects a slight bias in this report?

Desperate Housewife says...
2:23pm Mon 8 Mar 10

Yes, this is very biased. They asked the fans- they asked them at a match!
Quote:


TAXPAYERS should contribute to moving Wycombe Wanderers and London Wasps to a new stadium, most fans said in a survey.

(MOST FANS...HMMM, YES BUT WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF US? NO-ONE ASKED ME MY OPINION)

I WOULD RATHER THE COUNCIL SPENT IT'S MONEY ON SOMETHING MORE BENEFICIAL TO THE WIDER COMMUNITY.

ArnyP_HW says...
2:30pm Mon 8 Mar 10

...yup - lots of quotes from eager fans but none it seems from the 50% of the fans who disagree!

sandman73 says...
2:43pm Mon 8 Mar 10

Wow did they expect a different outcome from this ballot.
How about they try it out in the Eden Centre on a match day see how that pans out for them.

BigTommy says...
3:04pm Mon 8 Mar 10

This is rubbish. Is Steve Guy receiving "presents" from Hayes as well?
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They cry "no money", they reduce services and increase council tax. Tell me, how can they justify spending £500,000 on a survey?
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Well, let them get on with it.
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Let's make Steve Hayes lots of money and give him a nice new stadium for LONDON Wasps.
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Let's watch Wycombe get cut adrift and go out of the league within 6 or 7 years.
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Lets see how many councillors get "presents" from Mr Hayes. (We probably won't be able to tell as any substantial "presents" will be well covered up ... favours, favours for family,etc)
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Let the BFP continue to ignore the obvious. Are they getting "presents" as well?
It is strange that some topics get the investigative treatments, yet this whole sorry saga, and the dealings of Steve Hayes are completely ignored by the paper!
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Maybe Steve Hayes is going to sponsor some spelling and grammar lessons for the staff at the BFP. Heaven knows they need them!
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There is nothing that we can do any more. It has been stitched up good and proper.
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"Thank you" to the council for wasting our money. What a

Timmy Pursey says...
3:09pm Mon 8 Mar 10

The poll was in favour of against moving.
Yet the BFP have disgracefully reported a bias indicating that people are in favour.

yog says...
3:10pm Mon 8 Mar 10

The first question was: “Are you in favour of moving from Adams Park to a new shared community stadium with the Wasps in Booker?”

A total 373 said yes and 389 said no.

Why have the BFP spun this round when it is clearly split down the middle?

nuno diaz says...
3:11pm Mon 8 Mar 10

This couldn't be any more misleading

"Fans back stadium move for Wycombe Wanderers and London Wasps at 'ballot'"

er.... more people said No.

And only the comments in favour of the stadium are included. It's a shame the BFP can't just be impartial.

Monte Cristo says...
3:13pm Mon 8 Mar 10

So around 50% of fans back the move, and 249 out 762 say that the Council should fund it. So how on earth does reporter James Nadal justify the headline "Fans back stadium move..."?
Incredible!
And how does fan Michael chyandler reach the conclusion "Wycombe benefits enormously commercially from the presence of the two clubs in the town". Have the commerical benefits benefits been quantified?
One person talknig sense in the above is Steve Hayes , when he says it is too early to form a reasoned opinion, because there has been a distinct lack of detailed information.

hondo says...
3:18pm Mon 8 Mar 10

And the next question - would you like a free lunch?

TheT0nemeister says...
3:39pm Mon 8 Mar 10

I for one back the idea of a move to a new state of the art stadium. Fantastic support for this...

Monte Cristo says...
4:11pm Mon 8 Mar 10

TheT0nemeister wrote:
I for one back the idea of a move to a new state of the art stadium. Fantastic support for this...
"Fantastic support for this" - from whom, given that the minority of respondees voted for it, and even fewer want the Council to fund it?
Hardly "fantastic" is it? I dare say that the majority of Wasps supporters want it, but how many of them are from Wycombe I wonder? Personally, I would prefer it if WDC sold some of their land to just build facilities for the community, not to build a big stadium to rent to private companies. For if those private companies go bust, who will pay rent on the Stadium then?

roger the bandito says...
4:17pm Mon 8 Mar 10

Hmmm.... bfp hits another new low, Mr Mugabe would be most impressed.

wayneo says...
5:23pm Mon 8 Mar 10

“Wycombe benefits enormously commercially from the presence of the two clubs in the town.”

err no, actually it doesn't

How many Carlisle fans voted for it?

lastly:

Lesley Clarke said: "However, we will have wait and see what will go on and whether Booker is the preferred site.”

If only that was true, Booker IS the preferred site, that's why they are attempting to change the GB10 policy.

demoness says...
7:21pm Mon 8 Mar 10

LOL

Steve Guy being a typical lib dem and going with what he perceives is popular.

wycombenewbie says...
8:38pm Mon 8 Mar 10

demoness wrote:
LOL

Steve Guy being a typical lib dem and going with what he perceives is popular.
so true. Don't like the tories much either, but at least they'll stand their ground I suppose.

lidopraiser says...
9:39pm Mon 8 Mar 10

Good effort by Steve and the Lib Dems to kick off a public debate. Interesting result! Too close to be described as biased!

ralphchilds says...
12:14am Tue 9 Mar 10

My question is who owns the Wycombe Ground at present. If it is Mr Hayes how much money will he be paying towards the new ground.
I agree with the comments regarding getting to the ground at present and the London Wasps part of the organisation needs more capacity but not the football.
Can the council afford the cost of building the site and would they get the rent required to cover the costs, and value of the land.
Is the land on Green belt and if not would it not be more profitable to build houses on the land.
I believe the ratepayers should know more about the proposed scheme of arrangement.

Brizzle Blue says...
1:10am Tue 9 Mar 10

What??!

How biased is this journalism?

All the comments in the video bit were positive when the (very slight) majority were against it.

I can't believe someone can get away with writing something like this, unless his boss is either Steve Hayes or Steve's best buddy.

Why try and fabricate the story when the results are far more positive towards the move than most Wycombe fans would ever have predicted.

Pathetic journalism!

ferrellcat says...
9:35am Tue 9 Mar 10

The plans suck. there you go thats my opinion shame I didnt hear anyone else say it in your article James.bias bucks free press reporting
The ground is ok throw a road up to the lane end rd. and it gets better. Lets get this back to the agenda of football which is not liked by everyone so why should everyone pay.Wycombe have a core of 4000 and that ground is ok for that.Wasps shouldnt even be there so dont bribe us with move out threats because many would say good riddance

wayneo says...
11:34am Tue 9 Mar 10

It's interesting how WDC are getting into bed with a man whose clubs are losing money hand over fist, who company WSDL doesn't have a trading history and that his liabilites with WSDL is £100.

Notwithstanding the above, the adam's park land is currently on the books for 6.7 million, this is the pre-greenbelt days when the value would be much less than it is now. Wanderers have sold their club and ground for a LOT less than it worth now.

billsheppard says...
1:54pm Tue 9 Mar 10

well said Wayneo

It's so sad that so many people capitulated to Hayes so much as threatening to throw his toys out of the pram. WWFC isn't so much as a football club anymore but a vehicle for Hayes to make his property development fortune.

And I'd just like to second how disgustingly biased the BFP are in reporting this, despite their apparant attempts to neutralise the pro-Hayes/stadium content. Is Cohen being whipped to follow the Tory party line?

billsheppard says...
2:04pm Tue 9 Mar 10

also worth reading is WWFC supporters blog SMBU's coverage of the ballot and this poor excuse for balanced objective journalism...


http://www.smbu.co.u
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sai-diva says...
2:12pm Tue 9 Mar 10

Wonder how much Mr. Hayes spends with the bfp, Don't bite the hand that feeds you, Eh??
This is a total waste of our money.

wayneo says...
2:24pm Tue 9 Mar 10

I have provided the bfp with alot of information, information on feasibility studies, accounts and covenants but the BFP have now sat on it for over two weeks. Why bother?

J B Blackett says...
11:27pm Tue 9 Mar 10

This ploy was an obvious subterfuge by WDC ; only an idiot would not see through it. Pathetic reporting BFP !
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Wycombe Town is being run by speculators , petty gangsters and two-faced anti-democratic councillors.

ferrellcat says...
12:44am Wed 10 Mar 10

"several readers have pointed out"
you bet they have bfp but none that were in favour of it.You should all be sacked for this undemocratic opinion when the votes showed up your lies.
Iran does this through there papers not Britain, until now

ArnyP_HW says...
9:48am Wed 10 Mar 10

Ha-ha-ha the headline's changed. An increasingly common occurrance on this site of late. Just the rest of the article to re-evaluate now!

ArnyP_HW says...
9:52am Wed 10 Mar 10

"We hope this resolves any confusion that may have arisen".

Don't think any of the readers come across as confused. Anyone confused? Anyone at all?

yog says...
8:58am Thu 11 Mar 10

"Fans back stadium move at 'ballot'"

So the BFP are still happy with this picture caption????

gpn01 says...
2:03pm Thu 11 Mar 10

I see the headline has been changed once. I hope it'll be changed a second time to reflect the truth..."Fewer than 10% of fans are in favour of a move from Adams Park to Booker". 373 out of 4000 is 9.3% NOT 50%. Misreporting such items demeans the credibility of the newspaper and validates comments by business people about poor numeracy standards of school leavers (I can only presume it's someone who's just left school who did the calculations).


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