South Oxhey featured in 'British Racism' article

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The voters of South Oxhey have found themselves at the centre of a damning article about the British National Party, written by one of the UK’s most respected political journalists.

Fraser Nelson, political editor of the Spectator, joined BNP Three Rivers District Councillor Seamus Dunne on the campaign trail this month, after which he wrote an article called The Rise of British Racism may be Horribly Close.

Nelson, who also writes a weekly column in the News of the World, explored what he called a “troubling paradox”: how so many voters, who clearly are not racists (indeed, one ‘supporter’ mentioned was black), could support “a racist party.”

Councillor Dunne, elected to the Ashridge ward last year, allowed Mr Nelson to follow him around the doorsteps of the estate, where he distributed leaflets and discussed the hopes, aspirations and fears of the electorate.

His front page article, controversially illustrated with a large swastika, makes clear his shock and alarm about the level of popular support in the area; support that often stems from a sense of disillusion with the main parties – an attitude further inflamed by the ongoing expenses scandal.

Nelson explained: “The letters BNP are, to me, hatefully synonymous with racism and all its sickening implications. But the people who have BNP posters in their windows regard this primarily as a gesture of defiance, a protest, a means of throwing stones at the glass of the Palace of Westminster.”

This protest, he argued, was mixed with a belief that the party offered something positive to the wider community; a sense of togetherness and ‘can do’ practicality at a local level.

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His decision, however, to liken the party’s current electoral strategy to that of the British Union of Fascists in the 1930s, has angered Councillor Dunne.

Nelson wrote: “Mosley’s [Oswald Mosley] Blackshirts used to pose as social avengers, making a great show of standing up for people being evicted. He campaigned against what he called the failed ‘old gangs’ of Westminster. The BNP is using the same decades-old techniques — only this time, depressingly, they seem to be working.”

Councillor Dunne told the Watford Observer: “I was very disappointed with that illustration and the tone of some of the article. He makes his views pretty clear but I think it was pretty imbalanced. I am not a racist – I just oppose mass immigration.”

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1:37pm Fri 29 May 09

Wilkinson says...

This story appears to be a complete contradiction throughout. Nelson admits that those who are considering voting BNP are not racist, and are simply going to protest against the pigs in troughminster, yet still keeps going with the racism theme throughout?

I think it is a current trend for journalists to spew out these media grabbing headlines about the BNP, as they know that controversy sells newspapers. The reality is people in areas like South Oxhey do not feel that any of the main parties represent them, and are seeking an alternative to get their voices heard. I'm no fan of the area, but the people cannot be branded racist for doing this, and i have a lot of sympathy for their plight.

Nelson is clearly not a well respected journalist after this piece, why he has felt the need to decorate the article with swastika's i do not know. The BNP actually has a jewish councillor, is he to be regarded as a facist? What about the black man who said he was considering voting fot them, is he racist?

Instead of the usual "thats racist, oh theres a rise in racism" etc etc, how about actually listening to the reasons why people would considering voting for the BNP. Perhaps this is asking too much from a media that has been in bed with the three main parties for so long?

As i say a complete non story, and a clear abuse of Cllr Dunne's good intentions to show how he is actively campaigning and listening to his constituents.

We clearly do not live in a real democracy as this smear campaign against the BNP in the run up to the elections only highlights what a hipocritical country this is.

Perhaps if the liberal media were not in complete cahoots with the 3 main parties we could actually drive forward and slavage something out of our fundamentally flawed political system. I'm afraid with people like Fraser Nelson writing such propoganda this is going to prove extremely difficult.
This story appears to be a complete contradiction throughout. Nelson admits that those who are considering voting BNP are not racist, and are simply going to protest against the pigs in troughminster, yet still keeps going with the racism theme throughout? I think it is a current trend for journalists to spew out these media grabbing headlines about the BNP, as they know that controversy sells newspapers. The reality is people in areas like South Oxhey do not feel that any of the main parties represent them, and are seeking an alternative to get their voices heard. I'm no fan of the area, but the people cannot be branded racist for doing this, and i have a lot of sympathy for their plight. Nelson is clearly not a well respected journalist after this piece, why he has felt the need to decorate the article with swastika's i do not know. The BNP actually has a jewish councillor, is he to be regarded as a facist? What about the black man who said he was considering voting fot them, is he racist? Instead of the usual "thats racist, oh theres a rise in racism" etc etc, how about actually listening to the reasons why people would considering voting for the BNP. Perhaps this is asking too much from a media that has been in bed with the three main parties for so long? As i say a complete non story, and a clear abuse of Cllr Dunne's good intentions to show how he is actively campaigning and listening to his constituents. We clearly do not live in a real democracy as this smear campaign against the BNP in the run up to the elections only highlights what a hipocritical country this is. Perhaps if the liberal media were not in complete cahoots with the 3 main parties we could actually drive forward and slavage something out of our fundamentally flawed political system. I'm afraid with people like Fraser Nelson writing such propoganda this is going to prove extremely difficult. Wilkinson
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1:46pm Fri 29 May 09

JonBoy says...

Over to you Roy
Over to you Roy JonBoy
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1:49pm Fri 29 May 09

Wilkinson says...

JonBoy wrote:
Over to you Roy
Well how about over to you JonBoy, what are your thoughts about the article in particular and the subject matter in general?
[quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote: Over to you Roy[/p][/quote]Well how about over to you JonBoy, what are your thoughts about the article in particular and the subject matter in general? Wilkinson
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2:08pm Fri 29 May 09

jesus loves you says...

I don’t like the BNP as much as the next man, but we live in a democratic country and they are allowed (within the confines of the law) to have a view (like it or not). Looking at some of their policies, they are the same as any of the parties really, reducing immigration (same as the conservatives), getting out of Europe (conservative again – well some of them..) and building closer ties with Australia and New Zealand, they have green policies (looks the same as Labour), they want to treat pensioners better (conservatives again!).

Again, I don’t like them myself (and will not be voting for them) but we need to look at what they offer and see why parts of the nation find them an alternative to the main stream parties. Do they have some policies which tick the boxes for certain people (and not just racist thugs anymore it seems) and if so why? Do these people feel left out in society?

Is it because we all feel ashamed to wave the Union Jack as soon as it raised we feel it may offend others? If you see a flag poll in a garden in South Oxhey with the Union flag, is your first thought racist scum must live there? If so, why do we think like that? So if anybody wants to represent the UK and basically stuff all other nations we deem that racist.

Hmmm tough one.
I don’t like the BNP as much as the next man, but we live in a democratic country and they are allowed (within the confines of the law) to have a view (like it or not). Looking at some of their policies, they are the same as any of the parties really, reducing immigration (same as the conservatives), getting out of Europe (conservative again – well some of them..) and building closer ties with Australia and New Zealand, they have green policies (looks the same as Labour), they want to treat pensioners better (conservatives again!). Again, I don’t like them myself (and will not be voting for them) but we need to look at what they offer and see why parts of the nation find them an alternative to the main stream parties. Do they have some policies which tick the boxes for certain people (and not just racist thugs anymore it seems) and if so why? Do these people feel left out in society? Is it because we all feel ashamed to wave the Union Jack as soon as it raised we feel it may offend others? If you see a flag poll in a garden in South Oxhey with the Union flag, is your first thought racist scum must live there? If so, why do we think like that? So if anybody wants to represent the UK and basically stuff all other nations we deem that racist. Hmmm tough one. jesus loves you
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3:37pm Fri 29 May 09

Roy Stockdill says...

JonBoy wrote:
Over to you Roy
The stupidity and blatant ignorance of that comment serves only to demonstrate your moronic idiocy and total lack of knowledge of me.

Your assessment of me purely because of my views on some matters is pathetic. The fact is that in some matters my opinions could be regarded as right-wing, in others left-wing. I am for instance, emphatically opposed to ID cards. But you are clearly incapable of differentiating between which is which. Perhaps you haven't noticed that in, say, the question of immigration some Labour ministers and MPs, sensing the public mood, are now virtually agreeing with the BNP. Such is the current disintegrating nature and anomalous behaviour of British politics.

I have no more intention of voting for the BNP than I have of voting for the Communists, Socialist Workers Party or the Raving Monster Loony Party. Indeed, I have no intention of voting at all in any of the forthcoming elections and I haven't yet decided whether I will even vote at the next General Election, such is my disillusionment with politicians of all parties.

It's such a shame you don't apply your brain, since presumably you have one, before committing to print.
[quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote: Over to you Roy[/p][/quote]The stupidity and blatant ignorance of that comment serves only to demonstrate your moronic idiocy and total lack of knowledge of me. Your assessment of me purely because of my views on some matters is pathetic. The fact is that in some matters my opinions could be regarded as right-wing, in others left-wing. I am for instance, emphatically opposed to ID cards. But you are clearly incapable of differentiating between which is which. Perhaps you haven't noticed that in, say, the question of immigration some Labour ministers and MPs, sensing the public mood, are now virtually agreeing with the BNP. Such is the current disintegrating nature and anomalous behaviour of British politics. I have no more intention of voting for the BNP than I have of voting for the Communists, Socialist Workers Party or the Raving Monster Loony Party. Indeed, I have no intention of voting at all in any of the forthcoming elections and I haven't yet decided whether I will even vote at the next General Election, such is my disillusionment with politicians of all parties. It's such a shame you don't apply your brain, since presumably you have one, before committing to print. Roy Stockdill
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4:00pm Fri 29 May 09

jesus loves you says...

Come on Roy, you need to vote! The only part of the our system you have an active part in and you will shun it?

Does the Christan Party get your vote?
Come on Roy, you need to vote! The only part of the our system you have an active part in and you will shun it? Does the Christan Party get your vote? jesus loves you
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4:33pm Fri 29 May 09

Roy Stockdill says...

jesus loves you wrote:
Come on Roy, you need to vote! The only part of the our system you have an active part in and you will shun it? Does the Christan Party get your vote?
I do NOT need to vote since it is not yet compulsory and I hope it never will be. Even if it were to be made compulsory, then I would hope that there would be a section on the ballot paper for one to put a cross against "None of the above" which is what I believe happens in countries where it is compulsory to vote.

I have never yet found a political party with which I could fully agree in respect of its entire manifesto and I find myself out of step with all the current parties in some major issues, therefore I shall exercise my democratic right not to enter a polling booth.

In any event. I haven't voted in local council elections for something like 30-odd years, since all the candidates are usually complete nonentities with few discernible talents, which is why local government is the bureaucratic shambles, hopelessly throttled by red tape, that it is.

And I most certainly will not be voting in any European election since I am opposed to much of what the European parliament does and stands for. I haven't a clue who any of the candidates are and I suspect most other people haven't, either.
[quote][p][bold]jesus loves you[/bold] wrote: Come on Roy, you need to vote! The only part of the our system you have an active part in and you will shun it? Does the Christan Party get your vote? [/p][/quote]I do NOT need to vote since it is not yet compulsory and I hope it never will be. Even if it were to be made compulsory, then I would hope that there would be a section on the ballot paper for one to put a cross against "None of the above" which is what I believe happens in countries where it is compulsory to vote. I have never yet found a political party with which I could fully agree in respect of its entire manifesto and I find myself out of step with all the current parties in some major issues, therefore I shall exercise my democratic right not to enter a polling booth. In any event. I haven't voted in local council elections for something like 30-odd years, since all the candidates are usually complete nonentities with few discernible talents, which is why local government is the bureaucratic shambles, hopelessly throttled by red tape, that it is. And I most certainly will not be voting in any European election since I am opposed to much of what the European parliament does and stands for. I haven't a clue who any of the candidates are and I suspect most other people haven't, either. Roy Stockdill
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4:51pm Fri 29 May 09

CaptainPC says...

Wooden tit be grate if da BNP got bitten off fingers delivering leaflets?

BY a RACIST DOG!


Wooden tit be grate if da BNP got bitten off fingers delivering leaflets? BY a RACIST DOG! CaptainPC
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5:26pm Fri 29 May 09

SouwfLondonHornet says...

Roy,
If you don't vote, then why don't you shut up about political issues. By chosing not to vote (I do realise the idea behind it) you lose your voice. If everyone had the same attitude as you, we would have a bunch of crooks in Westminster......

What is more scary is that more people will vote for acts in Britian's Got Talent, than they do in the European Elections!

Why don't we all have a Reality TV show to pick the next Primeminister...

Roy, If you don't vote, then why don't you shut up about political issues. By chosing not to vote (I do realise the idea behind it) you lose your voice. If everyone had the same attitude as you, we would have a bunch of crooks in Westminster...... What is more scary is that more people will vote for acts in Britian's Got Talent, than they do in the European Elections! Why don't we all have a Reality TV show to pick the next Primeminister... SouwfLondonHornet
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5:40pm Fri 29 May 09

Wilkinson says...

SouwfLondonHornet wrote:
Roy, If you don't vote, then why don't you shut up about political issues. By chosing not to vote (I do realise the idea behind it) you lose your voice. If everyone had the same attitude as you, we would have a bunch of crooks in Westminster...... What is more scary is that more people will vote for acts in Britian's Got Talent, than they do in the European Elections! Why don't we all have a Reality TV show to pick the next Primeminister...
Yeah i totally agree its bizarre how many people get more passionate about these programmes, the only conclusion i can come to is lack of information.

How many people know who our MEP is, or indeed who sits on the council? What do they actually do? We tend to only ever see these people around election times.

I'm not surprised by voter apathy, there is a feeling that whatever the electorate does, will be of no significance.

Going back to the original point, what do people think of Fraser Nelson's article? Is it only proving counter productive to keep alienating people into voting for non mainstream parties?
[quote][p][bold]SouwfLondonHornet[/bold] wrote: Roy, If you don't vote, then why don't you shut up about political issues. By chosing not to vote (I do realise the idea behind it) you lose your voice. If everyone had the same attitude as you, we would have a bunch of crooks in Westminster...... What is more scary is that more people will vote for acts in Britian's Got Talent, than they do in the European Elections! Why don't we all have a Reality TV show to pick the next Primeminister... [/p][/quote]Yeah i totally agree its bizarre how many people get more passionate about these programmes, the only conclusion i can come to is lack of information. How many people know who our MEP is, or indeed who sits on the council? What do they actually do? We tend to only ever see these people around election times. I'm not surprised by voter apathy, there is a feeling that whatever the electorate does, will be of no significance. Going back to the original point, what do people think of Fraser Nelson's article? Is it only proving counter productive to keep alienating people into voting for non mainstream parties? Wilkinson
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6:46pm Fri 29 May 09

Roy Stockdill says...

>Why don't we all have a Reality TV show to pick the next Primeminister...<

Not a bad idea! We could lock them all up in the Big Brother house and issue them with long knives - backstabbing for the purpose of.

The last one left alive gets the job.

This, in effect, is not a lot different, figuratively speaking, to what already happens.
>Why don't we all have a Reality TV show to pick the next Primeminister...< Not a bad idea! We could lock them all up in the Big Brother house and issue them with long knives - backstabbing for the purpose of. The last one left alive gets the job. This, in effect, is not a lot different, figuratively speaking, to what already happens. Roy Stockdill
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10:24pm Fri 29 May 09

Speedydog says...

So the if the BNP are going to send home foreigners, non British etc.
1. Who is really Native to this land? (I'm from Anglo Saxon stock so should be OK)
2. Who is going to drive all the cabs in Watford?
3. Who is going to look after me when I'm in Hospital?
4. Who is going to wait on me in a restaurant?
I could think of loads more but this is enough to get on with..........
So the if the BNP are going to send home foreigners, non British etc. 1. Who is really Native to this land? (I'm from Anglo Saxon stock so should be OK) 2. Who is going to drive all the cabs in Watford? 3. Who is going to look after me when I'm in Hospital? 4. Who is going to wait on me in a restaurant? I could think of loads more but this is enough to get on with.......... Speedydog
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8:52am Sat 30 May 09

u k pensioner says...

Speedydog wrote:
So the if the BNP are going to send home foreigners, non British etc. 1. Who is really Native to this land? (I'm from Anglo Saxon stock so should be OK) 2. Who is going to drive all the cabs in Watford? 3. Who is going to look after me when I'm in Hospital? 4. Who is going to wait on me in a restaurant? I could think of loads more but this is enough to get on with..........
You should read the BNP's policies before coming on here showing how ignorant you really are towards their immigration policies
I wasn't going to bother voting next week in the euro elections but have decided to vote BNP simply because of the lies and distortion of the truth about BNP policies and smears by the press
We've all seen the level of corruptness in Parliment in the last few weeks,the illegal wars,the chaotic immigration system under Labour,25% of prison population now foreign?? I could go on....... no it's BNP for us next week
[quote][p][bold]Speedydog[/bold] wrote: So the if the BNP are going to send home foreigners, non British etc. 1. Who is really Native to this land? (I'm from Anglo Saxon stock so should be OK) 2. Who is going to drive all the cabs in Watford? 3. Who is going to look after me when I'm in Hospital? 4. Who is going to wait on me in a restaurant? I could think of loads more but this is enough to get on with.......... [/p][/quote]You should read the BNP's policies before coming on here showing how ignorant you really are towards their immigration policies I wasn't going to bother voting next week in the euro elections but have decided to vote BNP simply because of the lies and distortion of the truth about BNP policies and smears by the press We've all seen the level of corruptness in Parliment in the last few weeks,the illegal wars,the chaotic immigration system under Labour,25% of prison population now foreign?? I could go on....... no it's BNP for us next week u k pensioner
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11:25am Sat 30 May 09

CallowlandChris says...

Good grief: ‘the liberal media’, ‘the mainstream doesn’t listen to us’, ‘lots of immigrants are criminals’, ‘people are misrepresenting the far right – if only they looked at our policies they would realise we’re just a lovely bunch’ etc etc. As a former history graduate I take no pleasure in reminding you all that this is exactly what Adolf and chums were saying back in the day. I mean seriously – even the Simpsons satirised this sort of thing! I don’t care if the BNP have some good policies on recycling, which apparently they do, they are the successors to the National Front and are a political party riddled with the politics of hatred. The number of times Nick Griffin and the gang have been caught off-record saying spectacularly racist things is beyond any reasonable concept of coincidence. If you are disillusioned with the big three political groupings then vote Green or for an independent. I must admit though that I do have a hidden agenda here – I am not a ‘pure born’ as if you go back a few hundred years some of my ancestors came from the continent…
Good grief: ‘the liberal media’, ‘the mainstream doesn’t listen to us’, ‘lots of immigrants are criminals’, ‘people are misrepresenting the far right – if only they looked at our policies they would realise we’re just a lovely bunch’ etc etc. As a former history graduate I take no pleasure in reminding you all that this is exactly what Adolf and chums were saying back in the day. I mean seriously – even the Simpsons satirised this sort of thing! I don’t care if the BNP have some good policies on recycling, which apparently they do, they are the successors to the National Front and are a political party riddled with the politics of hatred. The number of times Nick Griffin and the gang have been caught off-record saying spectacularly racist things is beyond any reasonable concept of coincidence. If you are disillusioned with the big three political groupings then vote Green or for an independent. I must admit though that I do have a hidden agenda here – I am not a ‘pure born’ as if you go back a few hundred years some of my ancestors came from the continent… CallowlandChris
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11:32am Sat 30 May 09

CallowlandChris says...

SouwfLondonHornet wrote:
Roy, If you don't vote, then why don't you shut up about political issues. By chosing not to vote (I do realise the idea behind it) you lose your voice. If everyone had the same attitude as you, we would have a bunch of crooks in Westminster...... What is more scary is that more people will vote for acts in Britian's Got Talent, than they do in the European Elections! Why don't we all have a Reality TV show to pick the next Primeminister...
Got to agree with this comment. If you don't vote and refuse to stand for office yourself then you are in no poisition to comment on politics. People who constantly whinge about the status quo without offering any solutions are nothing more than parasites!
[quote][p][bold]SouwfLondonHornet[/bold] wrote: Roy, If you don't vote, then why don't you shut up about political issues. By chosing not to vote (I do realise the idea behind it) you lose your voice. If everyone had the same attitude as you, we would have a bunch of crooks in Westminster...... What is more scary is that more people will vote for acts in Britian's Got Talent, than they do in the European Elections! Why don't we all have a Reality TV show to pick the next Primeminister... [/p][/quote]Got to agree with this comment. If you don't vote and refuse to stand for office yourself then you are in no poisition to comment on politics. People who constantly whinge about the status quo without offering any solutions are nothing more than parasites! CallowlandChris
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1:33pm Sat 30 May 09

mummy_1 says...

What is apparrent is that whether we agree that RASCISM is at the forefront of everybody's views, it is obvious from the posts on this page week in week out that local people blame immigrants when times are tough such as they are now.

My parents came to Britain in the 60s from the Carribean and have never claimed a penny in unemployement benefit and up until their recent retirement have never been out of work. My siblings and I are also employed and so are our children.

Whether born and bred in Britain we all want to live in safe areas, with good schools, healthcare etc.

The main parties need to concentrate on all of the above and stop looking over their shoulders at the likes of the BNP and telling us why we shouldn't be voting for them. The BNP do not stand much of a chance but unless the manifestos for the big 3 improve, local people will remain at home on European and General election day and the BNP will gain because unlike the majority of voters, their believers do believe in what they are being told.

What is apparrent is that whether we agree that RASCISM is at the forefront of everybody's views, it is obvious from the posts on this page week in week out that local people blame immigrants when times are tough such as they are now. My parents came to Britain in the 60s from the Carribean and have never claimed a penny in unemployement benefit and up until their recent retirement have never been out of work. My siblings and I are also employed and so are our children. Whether born and bred in Britain we all want to live in safe areas, with good schools, healthcare etc. The main parties need to concentrate on all of the above and stop looking over their shoulders at the likes of the BNP and telling us why we shouldn't be voting for them. The BNP do not stand much of a chance but unless the manifestos for the big 3 improve, local people will remain at home on European and General election day and the BNP will gain because unlike the majority of voters, their believers do believe in what they are being told. mummy_1
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12:59pm Sun 31 May 09

rod 689 says...

I don't care what some of the Bnp'rs may have been caught saying in private just like our main three parties mps who have been saying to each for years..' listen new member of parliment - you have just been elected into parliment,this is how it works,rob and theive as much as you can from the tax payers,claim for everything you possibly can as the public don't know!!! And they'll keep voting us in a nice cosy three party system we operate with a few fringe parties we allow just so long as they remain 'fringe' parties,if they gain any further support we'll call em 'extremist' and close them down!!!

Also Mr.Blair was the only mp who had all HIS records shredded when he left by and it was a 'mistake'??? He took us into a war and ignored the vast majority of people who objected,still lets just say the only extremists in politics are bnp'rs even though we killed thousands in Iraq!!! any wonder why people vote bnp???
I don't care what some of the Bnp'rs may have been caught saying in private just like our main three parties mps who have been saying to each for years..' listen new member of parliment - you have just been elected into parliment,this is how it works,rob and theive as much as you can from the tax payers,claim for everything you possibly can as the public don't know!!! And they'll keep voting us in a nice cosy three party system we operate with a few fringe parties we allow just so long as they remain 'fringe' parties,if they gain any further support we'll call em 'extremist' and close them down!!! Also Mr.Blair was the only mp who had all HIS records shredded when he left by and it was a 'mistake'??? He took us into a war and ignored the vast majority of people who objected,still lets just say the only extremists in politics are bnp'rs even though we killed thousands in Iraq!!! any wonder why people vote bnp??? rod 689
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10:19pm Sun 31 May 09

Speedydog says...

So 'u k pensioner', they say that as you get older your memory fades. Well if you really are a pensioner you would remember old Adolf, and his way of dealing with folk he didn't like. Just think what it would be like if you had to go in hospital, and there were not enough nurses or doctors. Probably you would not have even got to the hospital, as there wouldn't be many taxis or buses to take you there. Don't complain, the BNP black shirts would whisk you off somewhere nice.... If you did.

BNP policy is to ''encourage'' non pure British to be repatriated.
Note, encourage is in inverted commas.
So 'u k pensioner', they say that as you get older your memory fades. Well if you really are a pensioner you would remember old Adolf, and his way of dealing with folk he didn't like. Just think what it would be like if you had to go in hospital, and there were not enough nurses or doctors. Probably you would not have even got to the hospital, as there wouldn't be many taxis or buses to take you there. Don't complain, the BNP black shirts would whisk you off somewhere nice.... If you did. BNP policy is to ''encourage'' non pure British to be repatriated. Note, encourage is in inverted commas. Speedydog
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7:17am Mon 1 Jun 09

Ricky ii says...

Was speedydog dropped on his head as a child? because he sure is mixed up about modern politics!
Was speedydog dropped on his head as a child? because he sure is mixed up about modern politics! Ricky ii
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8:49am Mon 1 Jun 09

Garston Tony says...

Mummy 1 wrote 'What is apparrent is that whether we agree that RASCISM is at the forefront of everybody's views, it is obvious from the posts on this page week in week out that local people blame immigrants when times are tough such as they are now.'

I agree that when times are bad we try and blame some group or other. Look at what took place in Germany pre world war 2. However lets be honest, even when the times were good immigrants were not exactly welcomed with open arms. At least, not by the general population.

I wont be voting BNP however what is wron with not agreeing with a situation where people are able to come to this country and without having contributed a penny get many benefits that people born here can not get? These people are a drain on all of us.

I also agree with a previous comment, if you don't vote don't complain about the state of politics. Roy, did you ever think that by not voting in local elections you contributed towards allowing the situation at local authorities that you so dislike? Bring on compulsory voting, but yes have an option for a no vote. That way if 50% or more give a non vote it would send out a strong message to politicians. If you just abstain from voting its easier for them to just dismiss this as apathy as apposed to anger at the current system
Mummy 1 wrote 'What is apparrent is that whether we agree that RASCISM is at the forefront of everybody's views, it is obvious from the posts on this page week in week out that local people blame immigrants when times are tough such as they are now.' I agree that when times are bad we try and blame some group or other. Look at what took place in Germany pre world war 2. However lets be honest, even when the times were good immigrants were not exactly welcomed with open arms. At least, not by the general population. I wont be voting BNP however what is wron with not agreeing with a situation where people are able to come to this country and without having contributed a penny get many benefits that people born here can not get? These people are a drain on all of us. I also agree with a previous comment, if you don't vote don't complain about the state of politics. Roy, did you ever think that by not voting in local elections you contributed towards allowing the situation at local authorities that you so dislike? Bring on compulsory voting, but yes have an option for a no vote. That way if 50% or more give a non vote it would send out a strong message to politicians. If you just abstain from voting its easier for them to just dismiss this as apathy as apposed to anger at the current system Garston Tony
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11:12am Mon 1 Jun 09

scoffer says...

Anyone see the Daily Express today ?... 'Migrants boost Britain ? It's another Labour lie'

Migrationwatch accuses ministers of misleading the public - and says migrants roughly add only 62p a head a week to the living standards of the nation - roughly the cost of a Mars bar.

Our tiny island cannot keep accepting this non-stop migration and it's NOT racist to kick up a fuss over this issue... the main three parties don't really care what the public think about this issue, so nothing will change... the smaller parties will get the publics support this thursday - quite right too!! let's give Brown a bloody nose for wrecking this country and not listening to us on thursday and vote for those that the mainstream politicians tell us not to!! they are in NO postion to lecture us about who or what to vote for... not when the majority of them have turned to larceny in the commons!!
Anyone see the Daily Express today ?... 'Migrants boost Britain ? It's another Labour lie' Migrationwatch accuses ministers of misleading the public - and says migrants roughly add only 62p a head a week to the living standards of the nation - roughly the cost of a Mars bar. Our tiny island cannot keep accepting this non-stop migration and it's NOT racist to kick up a fuss over this issue... the main three parties don't really care what the public think about this issue, so nothing will change... the smaller parties will get the publics support this thursday - quite right too!! let's give Brown a bloody nose for wrecking this country and not listening to us on thursday and vote for those that the mainstream politicians tell us not to!! they are in NO postion to lecture us about who or what to vote for... not when the majority of them have turned to larceny in the commons!! scoffer
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11:37am Mon 1 Jun 09

brian b sewer says...

Gordon brown has just said on sky dont vote bnp
Thats made my mind up now im voting bnp to get back at him ! thieves and robbers the lot of these mps
Gordon brown has just said on sky dont vote bnp Thats made my mind up now im voting bnp to get back at him ! thieves and robbers the lot of these mps brian b sewer
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1:13pm Mon 1 Jun 09

JonBoy says...

Roy - if the cap fits wear it.

The BNP are simply a bunch of dirty racists. They can dress up and sanitise their policies as much as they like but at the end of the day they simply judge people on their ethnicity and that is wrong.

Roy - if the cap fits wear it. The BNP are simply a bunch of dirty racists. They can dress up and sanitise their policies as much as they like but at the end of the day they simply judge people on their ethnicity and that is wrong. JonBoy
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2:31pm Mon 1 Jun 09

u k pensioner says...

If the BNP are a bunch of dirty racists then the rest of the MPs are a bunch of fraudsters,murderers (iraq) and hypocrites who want us to vote them in again.no thanks its bnp for us on thursday
If the BNP are a bunch of dirty racists then the rest of the MPs are a bunch of fraudsters,murderers (iraq) and hypocrites who want us to vote them in again.no thanks its bnp for us on thursday u k pensioner
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2:46pm Mon 1 Jun 09

Garston Tony says...

There is a difference between being racist and not wanting to have unlimited numbers of immigrants and the extra burden on our taxes and resources that they bring. IF they really are going to add to the economy then great, IF they are just going to get state housing/benefits/fre
e health and never work and bring their parents, grandparents, nephews cousins etc. with them then not great.

Many foreigners have made huge contributions to our country but to those who just want a free ride sod off! And before anyone calls me a racist I would say say sod off to all those Brit spongers out there too. If you genuinly can't work fine, but if your lazy and don't want to work then I dont want to pay for you.

So whilst some voting for the BNP will be racist many, most will be doing it as a protest against this unlimited influx to our country which is costing us all
There is a difference between being racist and not wanting to have unlimited numbers of immigrants and the extra burden on our taxes and resources that they bring. IF they really are going to add to the economy then great, IF they are just going to get state housing/benefits/fre e health and never work and bring their parents, grandparents, nephews cousins etc. with them then not great. Many foreigners have made huge contributions to our country but to those who just want a free ride sod off! And before anyone calls me a racist I would say say sod off to all those Brit spongers out there too. If you genuinly can't work fine, but if your lazy and don't want to work then I dont want to pay for you. So whilst some voting for the BNP will be racist many, most will be doing it as a protest against this unlimited influx to our country which is costing us all Garston Tony
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5:31pm Mon 1 Jun 09

Spencer Agneau says...

UK Pensioner, is your real name Seamus Dunne?
Bit like Tory boy was Ian Oakley.
UK Pensioner, is your real name Seamus Dunne? Bit like Tory boy was Ian Oakley. Spencer Agneau
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9:15pm Mon 1 Jun 09

mummy_1 says...

Garston Tony wrote:
There is a difference between being racist and not wanting to have unlimited numbers of immigrants and the extra burden on our taxes and resources that they bring. IF they really are going to add to the economy then great, IF they are just going to get state housing/benefits/fre e health and never work and bring their parents, grandparents, nephews cousins etc. with them then not great. Many foreigners have made huge contributions to our country but to those who just want a free ride sod off! And before anyone calls me a racist I would say say sod off to all those Brit spongers out there too. If you genuinly can't work fine, but if your lazy and don't want to work then I dont want to pay for you. So whilst some voting for the BNP will be racist many, most will be doing it as a protest against this unlimited influx to our country which is costing us all
I would bet my last penny that the no british or non-british indivisual has taken from the system what the MPs have scrounged and de-frauded over the years. We must stop displacing our anger towards immigrants and realise that the country is a mess because the country has been run badly and money has been wasted.

We should not be voting in a Government we should be asked to vote on issues that concern us and the majority should rule. Because we all know Election promises are soon forgotten.
[quote][p][bold]Garston Tony[/bold] wrote: There is a difference between being racist and not wanting to have unlimited numbers of immigrants and the extra burden on our taxes and resources that they bring. IF they really are going to add to the economy then great, IF they are just going to get state housing/benefits/fre e health and never work and bring their parents, grandparents, nephews cousins etc. with them then not great. Many foreigners have made huge contributions to our country but to those who just want a free ride sod off! And before anyone calls me a racist I would say say sod off to all those Brit spongers out there too. If you genuinly can't work fine, but if your lazy and don't want to work then I dont want to pay for you. So whilst some voting for the BNP will be racist many, most will be doing it as a protest against this unlimited influx to our country which is costing us all[/p][/quote]I would bet my last penny that the no british or non-british indivisual has taken from the system what the MPs have scrounged and de-frauded over the years. We must stop displacing our anger towards immigrants and realise that the country is a mess because the country has been run badly and money has been wasted. We should not be voting in a Government we should be asked to vote on issues that concern us and the majority should rule. Because we all know Election promises are soon forgotten. mummy_1
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9:29pm Mon 1 Jun 09

CallowlandChris says...

Spencer Agneau wrote:
UK Pensioner, is your real name Seamus Dunne? Bit like Tory boy was Ian Oakley.
Think Spencer might have a point!

All the nutty arguments put forward for voting in the BNP 'cos they're the only alternative' is garbage:

1. Annoyed with the expenses scandal then vote for the Green Party, who are rated by a recent nationwide pole as the most honest political party.

2. Annoyed about the lack of consitutional reform then vote for the Lid Dems who have been banging on about introducing a more democratic voting system and reforming the expenses regime for years.

3. Annoyed about over population then vote for the Green party who have policies on tackling our hugely inefficient and unsustainable use of resources.

4. Annoyed about immigration then vote for the Conservatives who have tough policies on the issue that were not based on Mein Kamf.

5. Annoyed about the EU then vote for the Lid Dems who want to reform it and reign in the expenses; or if you don't like it full stop then maybe the Tories or UKIP etc.

There is no excuse for voting for a party that is full of hollocaust deniers and neo-nazi skin heads. They're also the worst party for spin - just look at their leaflets claiming Jesus and Churchill would support them! The use of a spitfire is particulalry silly for a bunch of fascists - they should have used a pic of a meschersmitt!
[quote][p][bold]Spencer Agneau[/bold] wrote: UK Pensioner, is your real name Seamus Dunne? Bit like Tory boy was Ian Oakley.[/p][/quote]Think Spencer might have a point! All the nutty arguments put forward for voting in the BNP 'cos they're the only alternative' is garbage: 1. Annoyed with the expenses scandal then vote for the Green Party, who are rated by a recent nationwide pole as the most honest political party. 2. Annoyed about the lack of consitutional reform then vote for the Lid Dems who have been banging on about introducing a more democratic voting system and reforming the expenses regime for years. 3. Annoyed about over population then vote for the Green party who have policies on tackling our hugely inefficient and unsustainable use of resources. 4. Annoyed about immigration then vote for the Conservatives who have tough policies on the issue that were not based on Mein Kamf. 5. Annoyed about the EU then vote for the Lid Dems who want to reform it and reign in the expenses; or if you don't like it full stop then maybe the Tories or UKIP etc. There is no excuse for voting for a party that is full of hollocaust deniers and neo-nazi skin heads. They're also the worst party for spin - just look at their leaflets claiming Jesus and Churchill would support them! The use of a spitfire is particulalry silly for a bunch of fascists - they should have used a pic of a meschersmitt! CallowlandChris
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10:12pm Mon 1 Jun 09

Traveller Tom McD says...

My only concern is that people are not educated enough to make a rational decision. I would never vote BNP, imagine boggle eyed Nick Griffin leading this great nation, we would be invaded by the Americans as they always do when civil war breaks out. The man can hardly speak english and is a complete imbecile, if thats what being British is then im out of here but where do i go? Other countries would be right to refuse British Immigrants, so if Australia,Spain and Dubai to name but a few decide to repatriate brits...who do we blame ? a few thick pillocks in South Oxhey who are incapable of working but blame immigration. The Government doesnt prevent you from working does it or looking for a job, nor does it encourage you to collect asbos or stand around town centres holding cans of Stella and trying to look 'ard, voting BNP because you are angry at the Government should mean we kick you out for having one brain cell.The onus is on us too to make Britain great, why wont brits work for less wages, why are polish people and eastern europeans prepared to do so and then get accused of stealing our jobs? Eastern Europeans are White anyway, do we keep them ? I would bet my bottom dollar or pound, you give the average South Oxhey person a job and they wont be able to do it..look closer to home for blame I think....
My only concern is that people are not educated enough to make a rational decision. I would never vote BNP, imagine boggle eyed Nick Griffin leading this great nation, we would be invaded by the Americans as they always do when civil war breaks out. The man can hardly speak english and is a complete imbecile, if thats what being British is then im out of here but where do i go? Other countries would be right to refuse British Immigrants, so if Australia,Spain and Dubai to name but a few decide to repatriate brits...who do we blame ? a few thick pillocks in South Oxhey who are incapable of working but blame immigration. The Government doesnt prevent you from working does it or looking for a job, nor does it encourage you to collect asbos or stand around town centres holding cans of Stella and trying to look 'ard, voting BNP because you are angry at the Government should mean we kick you out for having one brain cell.The onus is on us too to make Britain great, why wont brits work for less wages, why are polish people and eastern europeans prepared to do so and then get accused of stealing our jobs? Eastern Europeans are White anyway, do we keep them ? I would bet my bottom dollar or pound, you give the average South Oxhey person a job and they wont be able to do it..look closer to home for blame I think.... Traveller Tom McD
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10:14pm Mon 1 Jun 09

Roy Stockdill says...

JonBoy wrote:
Roy - if the cap fits wear it. The BNP are simply a bunch of dirty racists. They can dress up and sanitise their policies as much as they like but at the end of the day they simply judge people on their ethnicity and that is wrong.
You must be even more stupid, ignorant and muddle-headed than I had imagined.

I made it very plain that I have absolutely no intention of voting for the BNP or, indeed, for any party. How could that possibly be any clearer?

Why do you keep on repeating yourself like a tape recorder with its mike up its backside?
[quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote: Roy - if the cap fits wear it. The BNP are simply a bunch of dirty racists. They can dress up and sanitise their policies as much as they like but at the end of the day they simply judge people on their ethnicity and that is wrong. [/p][/quote]You must be even more stupid, ignorant and muddle-headed than I had imagined. I made it very plain that I have absolutely no intention of voting for the BNP or, indeed, for any party. How could that possibly be any clearer? Why do you keep on repeating yourself like a tape recorder with its mike up its backside? Roy Stockdill
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10:38pm Mon 1 Jun 09

mummy_1 says...

Garston Tony wrote:
Mummy 1 wrote 'What is apparrent is that whether we agree that RASCISM is at the forefront of everybody's views, it is obvious from the posts on this page week in week out that local people blame immigrants when times are tough such as they are now.' I agree that when times are bad we try and blame some group or other. Look at what took place in Germany pre world war 2. However lets be honest, even when the times were good immigrants were not exactly welcomed with open arms. At least, not by the general population. I wont be voting BNP however what is wron with not agreeing with a situation where people are able to come to this country and without having contributed a penny get many benefits that people born here can not get? These people are a drain on all of us. I also agree with a previous comment, if you don't vote don't complain about the state of politics. Roy, did you ever think that by not voting in local elections you contributed towards allowing the situation at local authorities that you so dislike? Bring on compulsory voting, but yes have an option for a no vote. That way if 50% or more give a non vote it would send out a strong message to politicians. If you just abstain from voting its easier for them to just dismiss this as apathy as apposed to anger at the current system
Garston Tony

Thanks for your support however I am not sure what these 'benefits are that immigrants get that people born here do not get?'

If this argument is to rounded and fair we must he look at the many. many British people who have not worked for years and have no intention of doing so.

We must not heap all immigrants together, many, many have and are still contributing to the system.

Those who are shouting the loudest and blaming immigrants for the state of the economy/country appear to be those with too much time on their hands. The rest of us are working hard in a multicultural world and seeing that their good and bad in all races, creeds and colours.

The public are not responsible, it is the Government squadering our funds.
[quote][p][bold]Garston Tony[/bold] wrote: Mummy 1 wrote 'What is apparrent is that whether we agree that RASCISM is at the forefront of everybody's views, it is obvious from the posts on this page week in week out that local people blame immigrants when times are tough such as they are now.' I agree that when times are bad we try and blame some group or other. Look at what took place in Germany pre world war 2. However lets be honest, even when the times were good immigrants were not exactly welcomed with open arms. At least, not by the general population. I wont be voting BNP however what is wron with not agreeing with a situation where people are able to come to this country and without having contributed a penny get many benefits that people born here can not get? These people are a drain on all of us. I also agree with a previous comment, if you don't vote don't complain about the state of politics. Roy, did you ever think that by not voting in local elections you contributed towards allowing the situation at local authorities that you so dislike? Bring on compulsory voting, but yes have an option for a no vote. That way if 50% or more give a non vote it would send out a strong message to politicians. If you just abstain from voting its easier for them to just dismiss this as apathy as apposed to anger at the current system[/p][/quote]Garston Tony Thanks for your support however I am not sure what these 'benefits are that immigrants get that people born here do not get?' If this argument is to rounded and fair we must he look at the many. many British people who have not worked for years and have no intention of doing so. We must not heap all immigrants together, many, many have and are still contributing to the system. Those who are shouting the loudest and blaming immigrants for the state of the economy/country appear to be those with too much time on their hands. The rest of us are working hard in a multicultural world and seeing that their good and bad in all races, creeds and colours. The public are not responsible, it is the Government squadering our funds. mummy_1
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11:29pm Mon 1 Jun 09

Roy Stockdill says...

Garston Tony commented: "Roy, did you ever think that by not voting in local elections you contributed towards allowing the situation at local authorities that you so dislike? Bring on compulsory voting, but yes have an option for a no vote. That way if 50% or more give a non vote it would send out a strong message to politicians. If you just abstain from voting its easier for them to just dismiss this as apathy as apposed to anger at the current system
Garston Tony commented: "Roy, did you ever think that by not voting in local elections you contributed towards allowing the situation at local authorities that you so dislike? Bring on compulsory voting, but yes have an option for a no vote. That way if 50% or more give a non vote it would send out a strong message to politicians. If you just abstain from voting its easier for them to just dismiss this as apathy as apposed to anger at the current system Roy Stockdill
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11:40pm Mon 1 Jun 09

Roy Stockdill says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Garston Tony commented: "Roy, did you ever think that by not voting in local elections you contributed towards allowing the situation at local authorities that you so dislike? Bring on compulsory voting, but yes have an option for a no vote. That way if 50% or more give a non vote it would send out a strong message to politicians. If you just abstain from voting its easier for them to just dismiss this as apathy as apposed to anger at the current system
I'm afraid the rest of my post somehow got swallowed up by the sausage machine errors that seems to afflict this website.

What I said was that I would be content to accept compulsory voting provided there was a box to tick to say "None of the above candidates", thus indicating one's contempt for them all.

I have not voted in a local council election for over 30 years for the simple reason that I do not trust anyone to look after my interests other than myself. I am sure there are some well-meaning folks who stand for the council in the belief that they are doing something to help others, however they are soon destroyed and corrupted by the party system. Local government is ineffective, toothless and largely pointless anyway, since councils are entirely under the thumb of the party gauleiters in Whitehall.

True democracy will only come when we can tell all our so-called leaders that they are jumped-up little nobodies and self-important jobsworths and we can tell them to "get st---ed" and leave us alone.


[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Garston Tony commented: "Roy, did you ever think that by not voting in local elections you contributed towards allowing the situation at local authorities that you so dislike? Bring on compulsory voting, but yes have an option for a no vote. That way if 50% or more give a non vote it would send out a strong message to politicians. If you just abstain from voting its easier for them to just dismiss this as apathy as apposed to anger at the current system[/p][/quote]I'm afraid the rest of my post somehow got swallowed up by the sausage machine errors that seems to afflict this website. What I said was that I would be content to accept compulsory voting provided there was a box to tick to say "None of the above candidates", thus indicating one's contempt for them all. I have not voted in a local council election for over 30 years for the simple reason that I do not trust anyone to look after my interests other than myself. I am sure there are some well-meaning folks who stand for the council in the belief that they are doing something to help others, however they are soon destroyed and corrupted by the party system. Local government is ineffective, toothless and largely pointless anyway, since councils are entirely under the thumb of the party gauleiters in Whitehall. True democracy will only come when we can tell all our so-called leaders that they are jumped-up little nobodies and self-important jobsworths and we can tell them to "get st---ed" and leave us alone. Roy Stockdill
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3:43pm Wed 3 Jun 09

Wilkinson says...

Blears the latest to jump ship. I will make a bold prediction that Gordon Brown will be gone this time next week.
Blears the latest to jump ship. I will make a bold prediction that Gordon Brown will be gone this time next week. Wilkinson
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8:39am Thu 4 Jun 09

Garston Tony says...

The man is like a dog with a bone, they'd have to shoot him - with a sedative of course - then prise his fingers off his desk with a crow bar before hed leave that job.
The man is like a dog with a bone, they'd have to shoot him - with a sedative of course - then prise his fingers off his desk with a crow bar before hed leave that job. Garston Tony
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5:54pm Thu 4 Jun 09

Spencer Agneau says...

Garston Tony wrote:
The man is like a dog with a bone, they'd have to shoot him - with a sedative of course - then prise his fingers off his desk with a crow bar before hed leave that job.
Should it say Garston Tory? Why don't the papers mention David Cameron and his £30 million, but still claiming his second home allowance. Another Greedy b*gger, another self server.
[quote][p][bold]Garston Tony[/bold] wrote: The man is like a dog with a bone, they'd have to shoot him - with a sedative of course - then prise his fingers off his desk with a crow bar before hed leave that job. [/p][/quote]Should it say Garston Tory? Why don't the papers mention David Cameron and his £30 million, but still claiming his second home allowance. Another Greedy b*gger, another self server. Spencer Agneau
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12:13am Fri 5 Jun 09

Traveller Tom McD says...

Thinking about it again...we got rid of Saddam in Iraq because there was no democracy in Iraq and we as westerners wanted to impose democracy on Iraq ....and here we are, allowing a non democratic party to spit thier bile, only Anglo-Saxons can join the party ? How ridiculous ! have you noticed how each BNP candidate is unusual looking and usually a convicted criminal..this little squirt Seamus Dunne ..have you seen him ? talk about sloping shoulders !! he was delivering leaflets with his mummy...aah bless ! it actually looked like a couple of retards on a day out...and this is what you want to represent us ? an uneducated bufoon with no upbringing...isnt he irish anyway ? lol
Thinking about it again...we got rid of Saddam in Iraq because there was no democracy in Iraq and we as westerners wanted to impose democracy on Iraq ....and here we are, allowing a non democratic party to spit thier bile, only Anglo-Saxons can join the party ? How ridiculous ! have you noticed how each BNP candidate is unusual looking and usually a convicted criminal..this little squirt Seamus Dunne ..have you seen him ? talk about sloping shoulders !! he was delivering leaflets with his mummy...aah bless ! it actually looked like a couple of retards on a day out...and this is what you want to represent us ? an uneducated bufoon with no upbringing...isnt he irish anyway ? lol Traveller Tom McD
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