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Updated: UKIP poster defaced in West Wycombe Road
5:20pm Monday 25th May 2009
A HUGE billboard promoting the UK Independence Party in West Wycombe Road has been defaced.
A sign has been stuck over an image of Winston Churchill used on the poster promoting the party's opposition to unlimited European immigration which reads “Winston Churchill was better than this”.
The board is part of a high profile campaign by the party, which opposes the UK's involvement in the European Union, ahead of the elections on June 4.
Clive Page, a spokesman for the party, said this was the first time he had eard of such an attack on their billboards.
He said: "We have 1,300 or 1,400 of these billboards across the country, and not one of them has been attacked as far as I'm aware.
"There are better ways to show what you think, it's called the ballot box. Political protest is a basic right in this country, but I think they could have picked a better way to do it.
"Winston churchill does deserve better than to have his face defaced by someone."
The full text of the poster reads: “Say no to unlimited immigration. Take back control from Brussels. Vote UKIP on June 4.”
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Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
8:28pm Mon 25 May 09
yog, says...
8:54pm Mon 25 May 09
Save Wycombe wrote:I agree. Winston would have had nothing to do with these bunch of idiots.
Let's face it Winston Churchill had much better understanding of the need to engage with our neighbours in Europe than this bunch of buffoons!
Geezer from, Widmer End says...
10:35pm Mon 25 May 09
chairboy2, says...
11:37pm Mon 25 May 09
DeepThinker, Wycombe says...
11:43pm Mon 25 May 09
Methinks I smell a rat.
It wouldn't be the first time.
UKIPWY, High Wycombe says...
12:02am Tue 26 May 09
UKIP wants to introduce border controls so we know who is in the Country at all times. UKIP wants to freeze permanent immigration for 5 years to let the authorities catch up with the backlog of cases. UKIP wants to ensure that our own UK government determines who can stay, NOT the EU. UKIP will deport all illegal Immigrants and give work permis only for those with skills that the UK economy needs. UKIP is a non-racist political party.
yog, says...
12:34am Tue 26 May 09
UKIP oppose cooperation with our neighbours in Europe.
On the big issues Terrorism, Climate Change & International Crime UKIP's policies would leave Britain vulnerable and isolated.
Cooperation between European countries and the introduction of the European Arrest Warrant has enabled police to bring criminals to justice quicker. Cooperation that was opposed by both Conservative and UKIP MEP's! If these people had their way we would go back to the old days of the Costa del Crime. Europe is not perfect by any means but we are much stronger together.
crommington, says...
4:06am Tue 26 May 09
Tharus Bond, Flackwell Heath says...
7:55am Tue 26 May 09
also on the subject of the Gurkhas it was the BNP who wouldn't allow them to stay! UKIP is more aimed at some of the rubbish that comes out of the european union
rambler241, High Wycombe says...
8:01am Tue 26 May 09
yog wrote:Thanks yog - you saved me a lot of typing!
So if UKIP had their way the Gurkhas who have stood by Britain and
fought alongside our soldiers would not be allowed in, shameful.
UKIP oppose cooperation with our neighbours in Europe.
On the big issues Terrorism, Climate Change & International Crime
UKIP's policies would leave Britain vulnerable and isolated.
Cooperation between European countries and the introduction of the
European Arrest Warrant has enabled police to bring criminals to
justice quicker. Cooperation that was opposed by both Conservative and
UKIP MEP's! If these people had their way we would go back to the old
days of the Costa del Crime. Europe is not perfect by any means but we
are much stronger together.
tigeran, high wycombe says...
9:44am Tue 26 May 09
tigeran, high wycombe says...
9:50am Tue 26 May 09
Bobfm, South Marston says...
10:01am Tue 26 May 09
Given that you know so little about UKIP EU policy I will post it.
Campaign policies Euro elections 2009
Friday, 8th May 2009
The UK Independence Party believes that the UK should withdraw from the European Union and that our membership should be replaced with a genuine free trade agreement similar to those enjoyed by other non-EU nations such as Switzerland, Norway and Mexico.
We want friendship and free trade with our European neighbours – not political union.
Jobs
Our membership of the European Union is already costing jobs in the UK. Major construction projects now hire many of their staff overseas, with British workers not even having the opportunity to apply. This not the ‘British jobs for British workers’ the Government promised.
Immigration
The only people who should decide who can come to live, work and settle in Britain should be the British people themselves. We can only do this outside of the EU political union. The open-door immigration policy has been voted against by only one party – UKIP.
Trade
The UK has one of the largest economies in the world. We are an international trading nation, not just a European one.
The European Union is designed to meet the challenges of the 1950s, not those of the 21st Century. In the global economy in which we now live, we should not be focussing on the insular regional trading blocs, but opening our arms to trade with the rest of the world, starting with the Commonwealth.
Agriculture & Fisheries
When Britain joined the then Common Market, the price of membership was handing over control of our agricultural and fisheries policies and the surrender of our fishing grounds.
This has proved to be an ecological disaster, with common European policies driving farmers to financial ruin and devastating the marine environment around our isles.
Leaving the EU will allow us to regain control and put British interests ahead of European interests.
The EU Constitution
The British people were promised a referendum on the EU Constitution, now the Government has reneged on this promise.
The original constitution was rejected by voters in France and Holland. The Lisbon Treaty, which is the European Constitution in disguise, has been rejected by the Irish in a referendum.
The Government is determined not to allow your voice to be heard.
A vote for UKIP is a vote to say ‘No’ loudly and clearly. It may be the last chance you get.
UKIP is committed to a free, democratic, independent Britain which is governed not by the faceless bureaucrats in Brussels but by our own people through our elected Parliament at Westminster.
We believe that British taxpayers’ money should be spent on British taxpayers, on their schools, hospitals and pensions.
Just imagine what we could achieve if the £15bn cost of our membership of the EU was spent here, rather than being lost on fraud and corruption in Brussels.
And last but not least just a couple of quotes from Winston Churchill:
"If we have to choose between Europe and the Sea, we choose the Sea" - Churchill
"We are with Europe but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed" - Churchill
I think the latter very much sums up the UKIP position. Anti-EU, not anti-Europe...
The article also says the notice says.
“Winston Churchill was better than this”. Unless my eyes deceive me it actually says 'Hidden in Shame'. Strange error by the reporter.
Townman, High Wycombe says...
10:02am Tue 26 May 09
Malc London, Gerrards Cross says...
10:06am Tue 26 May 09
Bobfm, South Marston says...
10:23am Tue 26 May 09
With respect if you need to ask that question you clearly have no idea about the EU and what it does. Everything that comes from the EU directly and indirectly affects how LA's run your towns and villages.
How they affect your garages, farmers, the list is endless.
Townman, High Wycombe says...
10:38am Tue 26 May 09
George1, Wycombe says...
11:28am Tue 26 May 09
Like others I wouldn't be surprised if it was a publicity stunt, if it was it has backfired big time, Labour must be defeated, UKIP in using Sir Winston as a crutch has decided where my vote is NOT going, it is destined for either the Conservatives, to mirror UKIP, what was good for Sir Winston Churchill could be good enough for me, or the Lib Dems who have come out best in the recent Westminster scandals.
UKIP has shown a LACK OF GOOD JUDGEMENT in using Sir Winston in the way they have, I wouldn't expect Sir Winston to have anything to do with UKIP - Thank God they are a MINORITY party at least most of the nutters are in the same little group.
Bobfm, South Marston says...
11:32am Tue 26 May 09
That aside, your towns problems are no different from any other towns and villages. Wiltshire also has county elections.
Please feel free to tell me a single EU Directive/Regulation that Britains own Government wasn't capable of enacting, if it was in the British interest. I suspect you can't. The problem with the EU it is one size fits all which HMG have absolutely no control over. If the EU says you will have two week bin collections, you have them whether you like it or not. That is the reality of the EU.
I am not telling anyone how to vote, but just be sure you know what you are voting for.
Bobfm, South Marston says...
1:11pm Tue 26 May 09
This would indicate a man who would be prepared make judgements on merit. UKIP is far from a small party with 2.7 million votes in 2004, with up to 20% of the vote in some areas, and 16.7% overall and that was without these scandals.
UKIP support is growing rapidly which is why people are seeking to damage the party. This is simply an example of this.
Why am I paying for your third home?, says...
1:36pm Tue 26 May 09
As for using Winston Churchill's V for victory image, there is something really distasteful about using a war-time image of a great British leader for narrow and petty party purposes some 65 years later.
yog, says...
1:49pm Tue 26 May 09
Our economy is already vulnerable to currency speculators who could quite easily bring down the value of the pound.
Leaving the EU would be a disaster for our economy.
Of course the UK parliament could implement it's own regulations but it wouldn't if the other European countries didn't also do so! That is the whole point of working together!!! We need to work together to solve the big issues.
I notice UKIP don't mention crime. Possibly because the last time the South East voted for a UKIP MEP he got jailed for benefit fraud! So yes make sure you know who you are voting for!
Why do UKIP and Conservative MEP's continue to oppose cooperation between European countries on fighting crime? They both want to isolate Britain from Europe, no matter what the consequences.
Malc London, Gerrards Cross says...
2:12pm Tue 26 May 09
When the UK people were given a referendum on EU membership, it was about a "common market" not a "United States of Europe".
We were also promised by the Government of the time that the UK could withdraw at any time.
(I am not a member of UKIP by the way, but do support some of their causes).
kathy tristom, wellingborough says...
2:38pm Tue 26 May 09
I was going to vote ukip until i saw in the newspapers they are also emboiled in the expenses scandal with the main three.
I've decided to vote bnp for the first time in my life i am fed up to the back teeth of people saying do not vote bnp what with the church saying this and it seems ukip is the government sponsored protest party that they allow in this country seeing as ukip has been on bbc alot recently.
Ive got three kids, and im worried about keeping one roof over my head let alone two and three these greedy mps seem to have.
As a small country we are full up with immigrants and that is what everyone is saying these days so its bnp for me.
Thanks for reading bye bye got kids to feed and clothe so its two jobs for me, and no state handouts.
yog, says...
4:21pm Tue 26 May 09
Inciting racial hatred, burglary, assault, hooliganism, and much much more http://www.stopthebn
p.org.uk/uncovered/p
g07.htm
You really should be setting a better example to your kids than supporting this bunch of thugs.
By all means go to the polling station and spoil your paper with whatever message you want to give to the politicians but if the BNP get elected into the European Parliament they will get tax payers money to fund their office and will poison our democracy for good.
I know it is bad at the moment but believe me it would be 100 times worse if that scum get elected.
Malc London, Gerrards Cross says...
4:49pm Tue 26 May 09
yog, says...
5:20pm Tue 26 May 09
Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
6:20pm Tue 26 May 09
1:49pm Tue 26 May 09
I notice that UKIP do not mention Iceland when comparing economies!
The funny thing is - they used to hold Iceland up as an example of a thriving independent economy!
Oops!
Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
6:24pm Tue 26 May 09
Ricky ii, Essex says...
6:42pm Tue 26 May 09
Have to say I agreed with every word of it - made my mind up, got my vote.Cheers
da ron ron, haverford west says...
6:51pm Tue 26 May 09
Searchlies/stop the bnp is a communist run org run by a convicted burglar !
wayneo, bucks says...
7:06pm Tue 26 May 09
yog wrote:Besides the fact that Winston Churchill couldn't make up his mind which party to support, if you knew anything of the man, you would know that privately, he was fermently against any form of integrations; his Zurich speech proffers co-operation not a united states of Europe.
Save Wycombe wrote: Let's face it Winston Churchill had much better understanding of the need to engage with our neighbours in Europe than this bunch of buffoons!I agree. Winston would have had nothing to do with these bunch of idiots.
Kadoogan, Wycombe says...
7:07pm Tue 26 May 09
If I were suspicious I'd think the scum at BNP headquarters were using this as a desperate attempt to appear more acceptable.
On the chances these are actually genuine, everyone with more than the single brain cell knows what the BNP stands for. Have the balls to stand up and admit that's why you are voting that way rather than the pathetic 'doing it for my children' s**t.
If you think this country is in a mess now, it's nothing compared to how it would be if the BNP had a ny real power.
George1, Wycombe says...
7:09pm Tue 26 May 09
You mention 2.7 million but doubtless the majority of those were protest votes by those disillusioned with the MAJOR THREE PARTIES.
UKIP is a made up party with a few backers but it has NO spine.
A UKIP VOTE IS A WASTED VOTE.
wayneo, bucks says...
7:10pm Tue 26 May 09
crommington wrote:I think Yog has forgotten that the UK has more experience with Terrorism than any country in Europe; besides the import of many of our extremists, a majority of whom have been 'home-grown'.
Yog, do you honestly think terrorism and climate change are the biggest issues our country faces? Any independent research will show you how wrong you really are...
wayneo, bucks says...
7:16pm Tue 26 May 09
yog wrote:Yog, you haven't the benefit of a crystal ball and if you conducted research into MPs and Councillors of all the main parties, including the Liberals, you will realise that many have or have been dismissed for convictions from theft up to child abuse. You might like to think about that before you bleat out fallacious arguments you've used above.
The expenses scandal is nothing compared to what the fascist bnp get up to! Inciting racial hatred, burglary, assault, hooliganism, and much much more http://www.stopthebn p.org.uk/uncovered/p g07.htm You really should be setting a better example to your kids than supporting this bunch of thugs. By all means go to the polling station and spoil your paper with whatever message you want to give to the politicians but if the BNP get elected into the European Parliament they will get tax payers money to fund their office and will poison our democracy for good. I know it is bad at the moment but believe me it would be 100 times worse if that scum get elected.
Irrespecitive of their views, you cannot for one moment state with authority what any party will be like until that party have governed.
mazza_h, Bourne End says...
8:03pm Tue 26 May 09
Ricky ii, Essex says...
8:04pm Tue 26 May 09
Kadoogan says : If you think this country is in a mess now, it's nothing compared to how it would be if the BNP had a ny real power.
Mmm..... someone is getting very worried and using multiple names...... lol
wycombenewbie, Wycombe says...
8:04pm Tue 26 May 09
I'm happy to work with our European neighbours, but I hate being controlled by the EU.
UKIP are going to get their best polling result yet in this European Election and I can see them coming second in Bucks behind the Tories.
Ricky ii, Essex says...
8:15pm Tue 26 May 09
People are are lot savvied up now and they are not going to accept this MPs scandal cover-up or weasel words from people like you sunshine
Dismantling the BNP policies you have NOT done - just name calling,try growing up a little my friend as you're only making yourself look very silly
yog, says...
9:12pm Tue 26 May 09
Nick Griffin Received a two-year suspended sentence in April 1998 for inciting racial hatred.
Oh no of course the BNP is not racist!
I would have more respect for them if they actually had the balls to come out and say what they really are rather than trying to portray themselves as a respectable party.
tomc, Croydon says...
9:18pm Tue 26 May 09
As for the allegations against UKIP being full of benefit frauds, noone has pointed out that those politicians were swiftly thrown out of the party, and this was before this current expenses scandal. Would the conservatives, Liberals or Labour have done this before it made the headlines. It seems unlikely given how widespread this abuse of taxpayers money was.
mazza_h, Bourne End says...
9:30pm Tue 26 May 09
tomc wrote:Well, if we say anything we are racist and go to jail for two years, but turn up, claim benefits a preach on the streets of London to kill us whites and its ok.. Double standards. We are now the 2nd class... Fact!! So, not being racist but being fed up, i welcome the BNP. This country needs something... Not every man and his dog drain our NHS, sponge off the tax payer and get away with it.
I fail to see why anyone would vote for BNP unless they supported their policy of deporting people from this country based on skin colour. I seem to remember there being a similar socialist and nationalistic party in Europe not so long ago... As for the allegations against UKIP being full of benefit frauds, noone has pointed out that those politicians were swiftly thrown out of the party, and this was before this current expenses scandal. Would the conservatives, Liberals or Labour have done this before it made the headlines. It seems unlikely given how widespread this abuse of taxpayers money was.
Get us out of the EU and kick out the hangers on... regardless of colour, keep the skilled workers and people who help this country!!
Kadoogan, Wycombe says...
9:46pm Tue 26 May 09
Hey yog, you aren't me are you? If you are, prove it and tell me how many fingers I'm holding up!
Ricky, oh you mentally-bewildered little urchin. You know exactly what the BNP are. The fact that you and your little friends (assuming they are different people) try to dress them up as anything in the same ballpark as respectable, only shows you just don't have the testicular fortitude to admit exactly what they are and why you are voting for them. Drop the c**p about it being good for this country. You are only interested in feeding your own pathetic little world of right-wing paranoia.
There is no doubt that some immigrants have come here to sponge (and I'm in favour of kicking them out), but there are plenty that contribute fantastically to this country. If we could just exchange your kind for some more of them, Britain would be a better place.
tomc, Croydon says...
9:48pm Tue 26 May 09
However I entirely agree we should leave the EU. That is not to say I am anti-European. I believe, like UKIP, that we should have free trade agreements and cooperate with them. However it should be the British people who make our laws. Currently 75-80% of the laws are made in Brussels and what do we have to show for it?
The common fisheries policy has reduced our fishing fleet by 80% since its introduction and has destroyed our fishing stocks.
The common agricultural policy gives large amounts of money to big farming companies, msking it difficult for individual farms to compete.
Being in the EU means that 500 million people have the absolute right to come to live and work here. Asking for the right to control this immigration has nothing to do with racism it is a matter of space. We literally dont have room for the amount of people entering this country but the government is powerless to stop them.
Worst of all is that an unelected European Commission are the ones who make all this legislation, and being appointed they are not accountable to us voters. The European Parliament has no real power and MEPs have to vote on thousands of pieces of legislation in a single session, and the majority just vote the way they are told.
UKIP is the only option if you want to send a message to the major parties that Britain no longer wants to be in the EU, that we want to make our own laws that are in the interest of Britain.
Ricky ii, Essex says...
9:58pm Tue 26 May 09
Talking to BNP News following the highly successful broadcasts, Mr Dowson said the sheer volume of calls meant that it was impossible for the call centre to take each and every one.
“The software we are using records each number, so if someone was unable to reach us, they can rest assured that we will call them back shortly,” he said.
“The response to being called back has been “fabulous. Most people are shocked to actually be called back by a political party,” Mr Dowson said.
“When we add in the fact that the first batch of mail was over 30 kilograms in weight and contained tens of thousands of replies, the scale of the BNP’s appeal becomes apparent,” he said.
The party has had to acquire an automatic letter opening machine just to cope with the mail flow. The machine can open 17,000 letters an hour, and after that the opened items are taken to our six speed typists who capture all the data,” he said.
Of the incoming mail, about two thirds contains requests for information packs, and the remaining third contains membership applications.
“There can be no doubt that the BNP is the fastest growing party in Europe,” Mr Dowson continued. “All of this bodes extremely well for the forthcoming elections and squarely contradicts all the lies that the media have told about the BNP,” he said.
tomc, Croydon says...
10:13pm Tue 26 May 09
mazza_h, Bourne End says...
10:15pm Tue 26 May 09
tomc wrote:I agree with what you are saying, its easy to get wrapped up in who should stay and who should go and leaving the Euro is the first step. We don't have room, our tight budgets can't stretch to cover all these people who just turn up.
mazza: I agree entirely that those preaching hatred should be thrown out of this country. But lets not forget that the BNP fall very close to that category too. I know a huge number of people who are not white but were born here and are British. The BNP would happily throw these people out of this country despite the fact that they are more British than the BNP will ever be. Britain has always been a country of tolerance and lets not forget that this entire nation is populated by emigrants. Ironically there views in my eyes means that the BNP are not British at all. However I entirely agree we should leave the EU. That is not to say I am anti-European. I believe, like UKIP, that we should have free trade agreements and cooperate with them. However it should be the British people who make our laws. Currently 75-80% of the laws are made in Brussels and what do we have to show for it? The common fisheries policy has reduced our fishing fleet by 80% since its introduction and has destroyed our fishing stocks. The common agricultural policy gives large amounts of money to big farming companies, msking it difficult for individual farms to compete. Being in the EU means that 500 million people have the absolute right to come to live and work here. Asking for the right to control this immigration has nothing to do with racism it is a matter of space. We literally dont have room for the amount of people entering this country but the government is powerless to stop them. Worst of all is that an unelected European Commission are the ones who make all this legislation, and being appointed they are not accountable to us voters. The European Parliament has no real power and MEPs have to vote on thousands of pieces of legislation in a single session, and the majority just vote the way they are told. UKIP is the only option if you want to send a message to the major parties that Britain no longer wants to be in the EU, that we want to make our own laws that are in the interest of Britain.
But the UKIP are guilty of many things as well the expenses scandal. So, i don't feel they have earned it but the BNP are not perfect - I think we both agree Labour and Tories should not be allowed in!!!
Kadoogan, Wycombe says...
10:30pm Tue 26 May 09
I wonder if it's legal to harvest all of those numbers without permission?
6 speed typists! Wow! Of course in reality that woudld be 3 temps working at almost 3 words per minute (assuming those are short words), and wondering if they can possibly sink any lower.
Fastest growing party in Europe? And where are the trustworthy stats that would back that up? Oh yes, up Mr Dowson's a*se where the rest of the c**p he spews comes from...
Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
12:25am Wed 27 May 09
tomc, Croydon says...
2:06am Wed 27 May 09
rod 689, high wycombe says...
8:48am Wed 27 May 09
Mass murder on a grand scale yet we are supposed to rant at the BNP? thugs? racists? just scaremongering poppycock!
Millions of immigrants are arriving and there is NO end in sight,perhaps we in Wycombe should take in thousands of immigrants from high density populated areas to ease the burden from other hard pressed areas? then all the nimby's in Wycombe would soon start moaning!
I watched the BNP election broadcast last night as well and could not find anything wrong with what their message was.
We are a small island and very populated at that,UKIP I'd vote for or BNP; either way, I'm not voting for mass murderers of the Labour or Conservative parties.
I'm swaying between BNP and UKIP so until then please stop the rants about racists and thugs when you are happy to have Mps with childrens blood on their hands! and their corruptness which if I might add is truely nasty.
kathy tristom, wellingborough says...
9:20am Wed 27 May 09
wayneo, bucks says...
9:51am Wed 27 May 09
Save Wycombe wrote:Like the Global economy that has failed us, the new world order of which the EU is part, will fail us too.
Just for the record, more people leave Britain to settle in France and Spain every year! It's all xenophobic hysterical nonsense. We are better off in than out, and that is the bald truth. If it weren't, the mainstream politicians would soon tell you. Even the eurosceptic Tories aren't mad enough to think we should actually leave.
How you can say we are better off in the EU when we pay much mo re in than we get out is lost on me. British businesses have been purchased and carved up by our so called 'allies', our country is raped by all and sundry why Politicians who are supposed to serve our interests, give it away.
If what they (the politicians), were doing the right thing by us, why will they not give us the vote whether to stay in or out???????
Bobfm, South Marston says...
11:43am Wed 27 May 09
GREEDY Euro MPs rake in up to £363,250 A YEAR in expenses — without producing a single receipt, a Sun investigation can reveal.
The taxpayers’ cash they pocket dwarfs the amounts claimed by Westminster MPs, whose milking of the system sparked outrage.
During the five-year term of a Brussels parliament, an MEP can clock-up an eye-watering £1,816,250 in expenses. They even get free mudbaths.
Compare the above with Nigel's 200k a year which is mostly spent on staff and travelling.
As for the same old rubbish about Ashley Mote, he never took his seat as a UKIP MEP. The fraud was nothing to do with the EU, it was a DSS issue which UKIP knew nothing about until after he was elected. You should be asking yourself why he was able to take his seat as a Independent after serving 7 months in jail. It's because the corrupt EU allows it.
rod 689, high wycombe says...
2:50pm Wed 27 May 09
I'll vote BNP instead then.
LogicalJack999, Cheshire says...
5:25pm Wed 27 May 09
yog wrote:Yog,
I notice that UKIP do not mention Iceland when comparing economies!
Our economy is already vulnerable to currency speculators who could quite easily bring down the value of the pound.
Leaving the EU would be a disaster for our economy.
Of course the UK parliament could implement it's own regulations but it wouldn't if the other European countries didn't also do so! That is the whole point of working together!!! We need to work together to solve the big issues.
I notice UKIP don't mention crime. Possibly because the last time the South East voted for a UKIP MEP he got jailed for benefit fraud! So yes make sure you know who you are voting for!
Why do UKIP and Conservative MEP's continue to oppose cooperation between European countries on fighting crime? They both want to isolate Britain from Europe, no matter what the consequences.
I am a businessman, a scientist and an engineer. You should really stop shooting from the hip and think about what you are saying because it is shallow and smacks of repeating party dogma rather than considering the facts.
Our currency is still our currency. The Pound has been independent of the Dollar, the Euro, the Yen or any other foreign currency for decades except when Lawson experimented with the ERM - driven by Europhile ideology - from 1990 to 1992 resulting in Black Wednesday when George Soros made $1bn from shorting Sterling.
A floating currency does not mean a vulnerable currency as you imply. We do very well in the reserve currency rankings - better than the Yen even (see Wikipedia) - thanks to the strength of the British economy and the stability of the British government. So it's working fine the way it is - if we need to change our interest rates then we do so - if we need 'Quantitative Easing' then we have some of that. The point is that we are in control and not at the mercy of the wishes of foreigners (as the poor people in the Eurozone are).
It's not the size of your country but what you do with your economy that counts. Iceland had a stable and happy economy based on excellent fishing grounds before some loads-a-money guys in their banking sector got greedy - but, hey, it's their country and they can do what they like with it.
I believe every country has a right to govern itself, to make mistakes from time-to-time, to learn from them, correct them and move on.
The EU believes the opposite. It has taken away by stealth the right of the British citizens to govern themselves to the point that our own government is not allowed to give aid and assistance to us without first seeking permission from the EU (for example Patricia Hewitt and the failed MG Rover rescue of 2005 - remember her hand-wringing as she meekly tried to cover up her own impotence? Disgusting).
Make no mistake, the EU will not stop until it has created the United States of Europe. It's written into its Prime Directive of the Treaty of Rome 1957 where it states it will work for 'ever closer union'. I want to trade with the EU but not be governed by foreigners. None of the Lib-Lab-Con have ever given me a chance to vote on this issue - the question has never never come up on their election manifestoes. Yet 75% of our laws come from Brussels? Do they think we are blind?
And get this for a excellent piece of subversion of our democracy: The citizens of 26 foreign countries (EU member states) have the right to vote for British Councillors and MEPs. Did you vote for that? Did you read that policy in the Lib-Lab-Con manifestoes? Making fundemental changes to the electoral base like this without telling anybody is treason, a betrayal of the British people.
I'm voting UKIP to restore my own government in Westminster. UKIP are the only ones telling the truth about the EU. There is simply no other show in town.
aspen g, high wycombe says...
5:36pm Wed 27 May 09
6:51pm Tue 26 May 09
Searchlies/stop the bnp is a communist run org run by a convicted burglar !
Yeah and Nick G is a Holocaust denier, a hypocritcal user of Winston Churchill quotes and uses gang rapists to canvas with.... Vote BNP if you lack an education and a history book!
Ricky ii, Essex says...
7:51pm Wed 27 May 09
The tories wanted to bomb Iraq earlier????
Forget the scaremongers who support MPs who murder children for oil and fiddle their expenses??? The history books will show these MPs as the worst ever .
scoffer, Beckenham says...
9:53am Thu 28 May 09
aspen g, high wycombe says...
12:34pm Thu 28 May 09
7:51pm Wed 27 May 09
Yeah and Tony Blair/Labour is a denier of killing women and children in Iraq
The tories wanted to bomb Iraq earlier????
Forget the scaremongers who support MPs who murder children for oil and fiddle their expenses??? The history books will show these MPs as the worst ever .
There is nothing scaremongering about it. Its fact that the BNP fiddle their accounts - they have failed to get past an audit. Not just that but donations made to the BNP have gone on furnishing Griffs barn. If your dumb, and have a total disrespect for the lives lost by our forefathers in both World Wars - vote BNP,
scoffer, Beckenham says...
1:23pm Thu 28 May 09
Ricky ii, Essex says...
8:25am Fri 29 May 09
The report, produced by independent think tank Open Europe, which campaigns for the reform of the European Union, says that six sitting UKIP MEPs, including Mr Farage, and one elected as a UKIP candidate, are bottom of the league in a ‘Transparency Initiative in the European Parliament.’
According to the Open Europe survey, the top ten worst UK MEPs, along with their scores on the survey, are listed below. (Note: the lower the points, the less accountable and transparent the MEP.)
1. David Sumberg, Tory, 10 points;
2. John Whittaker, UKIP, 11 points;
3. Robert Kilroy-Silk, Independent (elected as UKIP), 11 points;
4. Trevor Colman, UKIP, 13 points;
5. Jonathan Evans, Tory, 14 points;
6. Godfrey Bloom, UKIP, 19 points;
7. Giles Chichester, Tory, 19 points;
8. Nirj Deva, Tory, 21 points;
9. Roger Knapman, UKIP, 22 points; and
10. Nigel Farage, UKIP, 23 points.
Amongst other criteria, Open Europe ranked the MEPs according to whether they voted for easier public access to EU documents; voted against keeping MEPs’ expenses and accounts secret; voted to increase transparency, including better public access to MEPs’ voting records; voted in favour of imposing sanctions for MEPs guilty of financial irregularities; voted in favour of providing mandatory receipts for travel expenses; achieved good attendance at the Parliament’s voting sessions; and who voted to reform the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) and discontinue subsidies to tobacco farmers.
They were also evaluated on which ones voted not to clear the European Parliament’s accounts for 2006 due to 75 percent unaccounted for expenditure on MEPs’ assistants’ allowances.
“While MPs in the UK have come under attack recently for how they spend their allowances, MEPs in Brussels have avoided such criticism by voting to keep information about their expenses secret,” said Open Europe in a press release.
“In March 2009, almost 70 percent of all MEPs voted to keep expenses claims and accounts or financial disciplinary measures, such as demands for MEPs to pay money back, secret from public requests,” the body said.
“Although a 2008 report revealed several instances of outright fraud involving MEPs’ expenses, no penalties or sanctions have ever been imposed. For example, former Conservative MEP Den Dover has been asked by the Parliament to pay back over £500,000 in ‘unjustified’ allowances, but no deductions have been made from Mr Dover’s wages in an effort to regain the funds. Extraordinarily, in 2005, 340 of all MEPs voted against introducing sanctions, including suspension, for any member guilty of gross financial irregularities
aspen g, high wycombe says...
10:03am Fri 29 May 09
No matter how you dress it up, the BNP are still Fascist Nazi's who deny the Holocaust, say women 'need to be struck regularly like a gong' and that rape isn't a bad thing.
If your gonna have a protest vote, vote UKIP, Green or anything bar the BNP. The BNP could not run a proverbial drinking session in a brewery providing free drinks.
They called Gurkhas 'mercenary' ffs. I'd like to see fat old Griff and Collett take a bullet for Britain??
BNP = Fascism.
scoffer, Beckenham says...
10:31am Fri 29 May 09
You sound like a facist telling people who to vote for ? The Labour party is riddled with ex-communists who've changed their views over the years - Griffin has admitted he was naive in his younger days - just like the violent, hard nosed communist revolutionaries years ago who now turn to larceny in the house of commons under Labour - fiddling their expenses for personal gain - pah!! so much for 'we are all equal' ... people move on, the ex-communists in the Labour party like Straw, Haine, Reid, and loads more seemed to have been accepted even though communist Stalin killed millions ?
Let's just support and vote for who we like - the British people usually rebel when they are told who to and who not to vote for... let's hope all the smaller parties do well!!
brian b sewer, Tarring, W.Sussex says...
10:56am Fri 29 May 09
rod 689, high wycombe says...
11:56am Fri 29 May 09
Ricky ii, Essex says...
12:27pm Fri 29 May 09
Farrage has admitted he done alright out of uerope with £2m in expenses
Two ukip mep's are under investigation of fraud
Petrol now up to 1£ a litre, heading towards 3m unemployed,25% uk prison population now from abroad, record immgration levels under labour, £100k good bye golden handshakes for those caught fiddling their expenses, and dont vote bnp why ?
aspen g, high wycombe says...
2:16pm Fri 29 May 09
The BNP’s answer to violent crime is to allow every household to have a gun. We kid you not. This barmy idea was in the BNP’s 2005 general election manifesto.
Yeah vote for who you like... just make sure you wipe the dribble off your ballot paper won't you.... LMAO
Ricky ii, Essex says...
2:17pm Fri 29 May 09
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aspen g, high wycombe says...
2:20pm Fri 29 May 09
"Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal with. It just creates a bad image." - Nick Griffin
Ricky ii, Essex says...
2:27pm Fri 29 May 09
Here’s the full result:
Len JUNIER (Labour) 549
Michael TRAINOR (British National Party) 175
David CROSBY (Conservative) 131
John HEATH (Liberal Democrats) 63
BNP Percentage 19.1%
Now cast your minds back just seven days to the Irwell & Riverside by-election in Salford. If you can’t remember the figures then here they are again:
Matt MOLD (Labour Party) 606
Steven MIDDLETON (Liberal Democrats)293
Gary TUMULTY (British National Party) 276
Chris BATES (Conservative Party)189
Rob MITCHELL (Green Party) 125
Duran O’DWYER (UK Independence Party) 123
BNP Percentage: 17.1%
These are the results of real elections that have taken place in the last week. The verdict of people who actually went out and voted, rather than just answered a telephone to an anonymous pollster and told them what their political preference might be. Both are solid BNP performances.
Congratulations to Michael Trainor and his hard working team for an excellent result achieved in the face of a week of attacks on the British National Party in the media. What a timely morale boost for all our campaigners working so hard across across the country to maximise the British National Party vote in both the County Council and European Elections on June 4th.
Ricky ii, Essex says...
2:30pm Fri 29 May 09
Gable’s objectivity has always been twisted. He joined the Young Communist League in 1952, before reaching his full political maturity around 1960 as a Tape Room Boy and junior writer on the Daily Worker newspaper, the official organ of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB). (The Daily Worker was renamed the “Morning Star” in 1966).
From 1960 to 1961, Gable worked as a fulltime Communist Party Industrial Organiser, and then decided to get down to the real business of standing in an election.
His political career was, however, as much of a spectacular failure as his journalistic career.
Being a devoted Communist, Gable took the hammer and sickle party banner to the polling booth in May 1962, standing for the Communist Party as its official candidate in Northfield Ward, Stamford Hill, North London . He came last, much to the amusement of observers.
Mortified and humiliated, Gable realised that he had no political ability whatsoever, and started to look around for another way to make a living off his extremist views.
His search soon produced results: in 1964, the Searchlight Magazine, already being published in newspaper format by fellow Communists, offered him a job as a “research editor.”
By 1969, he had been made editor of the paper, but quickly ran it into the ground, his appalling journalistic skills soon becoming evident and driving the paper out of business.
For many years, Gable ran “Searchlight” purely as a self-described “press bureau” (actually just a clipping collection) with fellow Reds Maruice Ludmer (a one-time journalist for the Communist Party newspaper Morning Star) and Mike Cohen, only receiving a subsidy from an unnamed private source to restart the magazine in 1975.
Once again, Gable managed to run the new magazine into the ground, and he was forced to go and seek work elsewhere.
Incredibly, despite his open Communist Party membership, Gable was appointed as an “investigative journalist” at London Weekend TV, a job he managed to hold down until 1983.
In that year, Ludmer died, and there was no-one else to run Searchlight, and the magazine was once again entrusted to his care. This time, with a carefully worked out budget and massive subsidies, Gable managed to produce the magazine format Searchlight until 1998, when he was made ‘publisher,’ a post he still holds today.
It is remarkable then, that any newspaper or media source takes this overt Communist as an authority on anything except his own extreme views, much less than being able to comment “objectively” on any matter of the day.
aspen g, high wycombe says...
2:48pm Fri 29 May 09
Len JUNIER (Labour) 549
Michael TRAINOR (British National Party) 175
Matt MOLD (Labour Party) 606
Steven MIDDLETON (Liberal Democrats)293
Gary TUMULTY (British National Party) 276
LOL Labour still got double the votes you lot did despite being on the ropes....
Lets hope the councillors turn up to meetings eh?
Ricky ii, Essex says...
2:55pm Fri 29 May 09
All your posting up of anti BNP stuff does not work!!!!
aspen g, high wycombe says...
3:03pm Fri 29 May 09
TONY LECOMBER – Nick Griffin’s chief lieutenant Tony Lecomber was convicted and imprisoned for three years for five offences under the Explosives Act after he tried to blow up the offices of a political party. Police found hand grenades and detonators at his home. Despite this the BNP kept him on its payroll for over ten years. He was eventually forced out of his job after he approached Joe Owens to kill a leading politician.
Terrible party... terrible people...
http://www.hopenotha
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Ricky ii, Essex says...
3:13pm Fri 29 May 09
Tony Blair has admitted for the first time that he ignored the pleas of his aides and ministers to deter President Bush from waging war on Iraq because he believed that America was doing the right thing. And he has acknowledged that he turned down a last-ditch offer from Mr Bush to pull Britain out of the conflict.
He has also revealed that he wishes he had published the full reports from the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC) instead of the infamous September dossier about Saddam Hussein’s alleged weapons of mass destruction that so damaged him, and was almost certainly one of the factors that contributed to him leaving office sooner than he wanted.
In frank remarks in a BBC documentary, Mr Blair confirmed openly the belief of many of his closest supporters that he never used his position as America’s strongest ally to try to force Mr Bush down the diplomatic rather than the military route.
It was never a “bargaining chip” for him and he was never looking for a way out, he told David Aaronovitch, of The Times, in interviews for The Blair Years. “It was what I believed in, and I still do believe it,” he said.
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The documentary contains clear evidence that many of those around Mr Blair, including Sir David Manning, his foreign policy adviser, Jeremy Greenstock, Britain’s ambassador at the UN, Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary at the time, and even Colin Powell, the US Secretary of State, had huge reservations about the rush to war.Mr Blair said: “In my view, if it wasn’t clear that the whole nature of the way Saddam was dealing with this issue had changed, I was in favour of military action.”
The programme reveals that the key meeting at which Mr Bush learnt that he had Mr Blair on side took place at Camp David in September 2002 – six months before hostilities began. In return for promising Mr Blair that he would try to help get a second resolution at the UN, he also won Mr Blair’s pledge that if he got “stuck” in the UN, war would be the only way out. Mr Blair later suggested that Mr Bush tried for a second resolution as a “favour” to him.
The programme also reveals that just before the key Commons vote on war Mr Bush telephoned Mr Blair and offered him a way out. Mr Blair explained why he had declined the offer: “He was always very cognisant of the difficulty I had. He was determined we should not end up with the regime change being in Britain and he was saying to me, ‘Look I understand this is very difficult and America can do this militarily on its own and if you want to stick out of it, stick out of it’, and I was equally emphatic we should not do that.”
Terrible party... terrible people....
Ricky ii, Essex says...
3:14pm Fri 29 May 09
scoffer, Beckenham says...
3:51pm Fri 29 May 09
You sound pretty desperate don't you ? posting up what individuals in the B.N.P. may or may not have said or done compared to this Government is very amusing... only for a few seconds - when we realise the terrorism threat to this country for the next fifty years... many of these Islamic youngsters have grown up to hate this country - thanks to Tony Blair and his mates taking us into a phoney war looking for weapons of mass destruction that never exsisted!!
Immigration has turned many places into no-go areas... these are REAL facts - you need to understand that people are being driven to voting for the B.N.P. - if you are going to slag off the B.N.P. while you are happy with the scum-bag politicians who've wrecked this country, AND turned to larceny in their employment... I can see a major breakthrough for the B.N.P. and posting up bile from front organisations like Searchlight e.t.c. - sponsored by Labour will stop no one from voting for the B.N.P. ...people are much more savvied up politically than say a decade ago... B.N.P. may have their faults, but they have not murdered kids for George Bush quest for cheaper oil for their gas guzzling millions in America.
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