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Cow killing 'a calamity'

9:04am Friday 14th December 2007

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The sudden execution of a sacred cow in Letchmore Heath has caused outrage among hundreds of Hindus, who have described it as a calamity with significant consequences.

The killing yesterday (Thursday) of Gangotri, 13, a Belgian Blue and Jersey cross, has been described as "religious sacrilege of the worst kind" by the president of Bhaktivedanta Manor.

The RSPCA has defended the decision to kill the animal, saying it was suffering greatly after being crippled by a bull in a "mating accident" in September last year.

Gangotri, unable to stand since the accident, was issued a fatal dose of barbiturate by RSPCA officers.

The RSPCA was assisted by police after being granted a warrant legally allowing oficers to enter the temple and kill the animal.

Stuart Coyle, head farm manager at the temple, said the unexpected killing was an act of betrayal and deception, describing RSPCA officers pushing aside monks and sneaking into the enclosure.

He said a meeting the previous night suggested they had time to appeal against the decision and that they had no reason to suspect the early morning operation.

He said: "We were under the impression that we would have some time, it's extremely shocking that they came in at 7.45am to kill our cow. The chief RSPCA officer stopped me from going in. They said they wanted to examine her and instead gave her a lethal injection.

"It's like they've come to my house and killed my own child in front of me. I've been farm manager since 1993. The cow has been my life. She was not in old age and was determined to live. It is disgusting. The RSPCA have been plotting to kill her."

RSPCA Superintendent Tim Wass admitted the manor was not told about the killing in advance, as this would make it difficult to carry out the operation.

He added: "It was all conducted in an open, honest and frank manner. There was never any suggestion of us creeping around or deceiving anyone. Waiting for the legal system to tackle a difficult theological conundrum was not an option.

"Three vets, one of them from The Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons said it was in a heavy state of suffering, it had multiple sores and pressure points, its respiratory rate was three times what it should be. It had no chance of ever standing in the future."

He described the day as both the easiest and most difficult day of his career, insisting that there was no doubt that ending the animal's suffering was the best action.

He said a farmer responsible for an animal with half as many health problems as Gangotri would be open to prosecution and exceptions should not be made on religious grounds.

Mr Coyle disagreed, saying: "There is no way people should be allowed to just kill animals this way. She couldn't walk but lived a happy life.

"If you walked past her you would have thought she was just lying down. She was never a threat to anyone. The RSPCA don't believe in nursing animals. They are a dispenser of death. This is not just a Hindu issue, it is a calamity that will have serious implications."

Temple president Gauri das, said: This is shocking and duplicitous behaviour, we have been deceived by those who had given us their word."Should the cow have been put down? Fill out the form below and have your say.


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Jerry, says...
10:45am Fri 14 Dec 07

"Execution"? You're having a laugh! Leave the emotive words to the comments and let the readers make their own minds up.

The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford says...
12:00pm Fri 14 Dec 07

How dare these people think they know better than professionally trained veterinary surgeons.

The beast could not stand for gods sake, it's quality of life had deteriorated to the extent that it was having breathing difficulties and suffering with sores.

The RSPCA definitely did the right thing here and allowed the animal to be destroyed with a modicum of dignity.

Tigs, says...
1:03pm Fri 14 Dec 07

Sorry to be thick but I don't understand what happened to her? What is a mating accident? Whoops sorry there love, I slipped it in the wrong one? Did she lose her balance? I'm just curious and I don't mean to be offensive either.

James, Watford says...
1:56pm Fri 14 Dec 07

Trained vets have put an animal out of it's misery. If it stayed alive it would be suffering pain. Why is this even a story? There is no argument the RSPCA were totally correct.

Animal lover, S.Oxhey says...
2:11pm Fri 14 Dec 07

Can you imagine living in their country and having ill animals all over the place, this is there caring religion to let an animal or human being suffer in pain, who are these idiots I dont ever remember reading in the bible that God would like living humans or animals suffer for their own enjoyment, if they want to pratice this then please go back to your own country.

For ignorant people, Cheam says...
4:46pm Fri 14 Dec 07

Animal lover wrote:
Can you imagine living in their country and having ill animals all over the place, this is there caring religion to let an animal or human being suffer in pain, who are these idiots I dont ever remember reading in the bible that God would like living humans or animals suffer for their own enjoyment, if they want to pratice this then please go back to your own country.
So i take it u have read the bible then, or r u one of these people who takes the moral high ground and actually in reality knows nothing...hmmm i wonder!!!!!

For your info it ALSO says in the Bible "thy shalt no kill" or maybe u didnt read that bit!
Very reassuring!


sean, says...
6:25pm Fri 14 Dec 07

well ok i had to havea say on this , now lets look at it from there point of view , they were caring forthe animal yes if it wasa human would you be so quick to inject , now on the other hand lets look at the vets side of it they said it was suffering badly so while i know these poeple were trying to give the cow a longer life at the end of the day that animal can't speak up and say help me .
i havea dog and i am sure if or when the time ever comes that a vets is needed to put him down i will be saying can't you helphim more but at the end of the day i think that what the RSPCA done in this case was morethan fair , she was suffering beyond what any animal should suffer yes she was loved but come on HINDU or not would you let your mother or father lay like that in pain and suffer if it was legal to have a person put to sleep to end there suffering .well just a point of view but please think of the animal not the people involed

Dining out on, Letchmore Beef says...
8:46pm Fri 14 Dec 07

It's Friday and that usually means fish, but I fancy something meaty tonight - think I'll pop down The Three Horseshoes, Letchmore Beef and see what's on the menu :)

Pete, Perth, Australia says...
7:35am Sat 15 Dec 07

I don't think anyone wanted that cow to die, but really, I'd think that if a cow is sacred to you then you wouldn't want to extend its misery any more than was necessary.

I do think many people (not just Hindus) bond with their cows when they're not in a large herd. All I can suggest to the Bhaktivedanta Manor is they mourn the loss of their cow and understand the reasons why the RSPCA acted. Their vets would know the realistic chances of the cow's long term survival and have weighed that against its suffering in the present. I know they would not have meant any offence to their beliefs and would have wanted the cow to survive if that were at all possible.

Vince, Their country says...
9:53am Sat 15 Dec 07

F.A.O Animal lover.Please clarify the country you suggest somebody should go back to! Many come from Scotland, Wales,England, so most are of British origin.So please be specific. Also, how unique you are,by using what is not written in the bible to make your point. inspiring!
O.M.F.G.

wayne, Cornwall says...
1:00pm Sat 15 Dec 07

One day we will treat our elderly the same. Uniforms bundling relatives out of the room so the suffering can be relieved. Enjoy your Christmas goose with all the trimmings RSPCA, the hindus will be having nut roast. The RSPCA was not set up for this, there must be a shortage of cruelty if they have to kill cows being cared for better than our sick and old. The RSPCA is just a big business now look at their TV ads, they are one of the few companies that can afford to pay for TV time now.

Rasa, Radlett, UK says...
1:16pm Sat 15 Dec 07

This cow was able to move on her own, she was eating and performing all bodily functions normally. She was being groomed every day by an appointed carer, and received such treatment as even humans don't get. She was always alert whenever someone walked by her, and had relationships. Her condition was a couple of bed sores from not being strong enough to stand up. When I had a major operation, I also couldn't walk on my own for quite some time, I lost a lot of weight, was in pain and my muscles got weak- maybe the RSPCA should've come after me with an injection too. Religion and science aside, can we not simply look at the fact that this cow was not nearly in the state that the rspca is claiming, that they needlessly killed her.

Jock, London says...
2:10pm Sat 15 Dec 07

Rasa wrote:
This cow was able to move on her own, she was eating and performing all bodily functions normally. She was being groomed every day by an appointed carer, and received such treatment as even humans don't get. She was always alert whenever someone walked by her, and had relationships. Her condition was a couple of bed sores from not being strong enough to stand up. When I had a major operation, I also couldn't walk on my own for quite some time, I lost a lot of weight, was in pain and my muscles got weak- maybe the RSPCA should've come after me with an injection too. Religion and science aside, can we not simply look at the fact that this cow was not nearly in the state that the rspca is claiming, that they needlessly killed her.
So you, and all the others berating the RSPCA, are actually trained vets and examined the animal, did you??

You've also contradicted yourself. You start by saying "This cow was able to move on her own" and later state "it was too weak to stand". Sorry, but cows like to get up and roam around fields, eat the grass, etc. Not lie in a shed and develop sores.

And do you really think that vets would be so heartless as to put down a healthy animal?? Don't be so ludicrous, all of you.

Rowan, Newcastle says...
2:36pm Sat 15 Dec 07

Black uniforms and Euthanasia, never a good mix.

Rasa, Radlett UK says...
3:43pm Sat 15 Dec 07

Jock wrote:
Rasa wrote:
This cow was able to move on her own, she was eating and performing all bodily functions normally. She was being groomed every day by an appointed carer, and received such treatment as even humans don't get. She was always alert whenever someone walked by her, and had relationships. Her condition was a couple of bed sores from not being strong enough to stand up. When I had a major operation, I also couldn't walk on my own for quite some time, I lost a lot of weight, was in pain and my muscles got weak- maybe the RSPCA should've come after me with an injection too. Religion and science aside, can we not simply look at the fact that this cow was not nearly in the state that the rspca is claiming, that they needlessly killed her.
So you, and all the others berating the RSPCA, are actually trained vets and examined the animal, did you??

You've also contradicted yourself. You start by saying "This cow was able to move on her own" and later state "it was too weak to stand". Sorry, but cows like to get up and roam around fields, eat the grass, etc. Not lie in a shed and develop sores.

And do you really think that vets would be so heartless as to put down a healthy animal?? Don't be so ludicrous, all of you.
You don't need to be a vet to know if your pet whom you see every day is in pain and crying out.

Standing is not the only movement. She was able to move her legs, shift her position, etc. And yes, cows do lie down a lot! She was in a sheltered, yet open aired area.

And yes, the vets only know one thing: KILL. As soon as a cow stops producing milk at a regular farm, they KILL her. They KILL bulls as soon as they are born or use them for veal. Don't be so naive.

alex, says...
5:25pm Sat 15 Dec 07

If the hindus are so sensetive they should of just turned a blind eye, its just a cow. Is one cow really worth it, even if it was suffering

sarah Harding, hammersmith says...
7:34pm Sat 15 Dec 07

Hmmm. Is anyone really suprised at the action of the RSPCA. Is this not what they do. They euthenase (that means kill with poison) practically everything they so called save. They have to kill things regularly and especially high profile animals because they think this keeps them in the limelight as animal lovers. In effect they have their own ambitions within the organization as their drive. They don't have very much facility to care and heal the animals they so called save and so it is quicker and cheaper to just put them to sleep (kill with poison). But why a cow that was being nursed and treated by two vets. Do the RSPCA know something that these two qualified vets dont know. Why has the RSPCA taken the lead on this when defra's own vets told the temple that the highest levels of defra were going to deal with this. Are the RSPCA a law unto themselves. Do they make up their own laws as they go so they can destroy (kill animals with poison) animals guised as somehow animal welfare. I thought welfare means you help someone who is in distress as far as you can. Since when has killing been less a act than nursing??
What on earth has the RSPCA done to itself.

bud bud, kilburn says...
7:59pm Sat 15 Dec 07

I think that seeing as the cow was cared for it should not have been put down. The people caring for the cow would have known best. I do not respect this countries attitude towards animals. BSE and faliure to innoculate against foot and mouth saw millions of cows waisted. The men in black assaulted me with a dirty needle for the same reason, they have no respect for people of colour or their religions. To read the racist comments like go back to your own country makes me sick and i understand many are of uk origin anyway. I hope some hindu's are not offended or upset but this culture and way of life in the west is fascist capitalim devoid of compassion and respect for nature or even humans. The sensless murder of millions of iraqi's and afghans, faliure to act on Burma ect. Money rules these peoples hearts and hell awaits there souls. Go back to my own country? I will and soon, so even if i was born here which i was it is still not my country because of my colour? OK

frank the farmer, says...
9:42pm Sat 15 Dec 07

if this cow wasnt able to walk and graze like normal cows do, theres a good possibility that the cow in question would of gone mad, and as we all know mad cows are bad news.

farmer frank, says...
9:45pm Sat 15 Dec 07

if this cow wasnt able to walk and graze like normal cows do, theres a good possibility that the cow in question would of gone mad, and as we all know mad cows are bad news.

Naraharirupa, Radlett says...
10:21pm Sat 15 Dec 07

I was working that time when cow Gangotri had leg problems and every week i could see difference in cows Gangotris health. she was getting better and better last time on okt 2007 Gangotri was on her legs for few minutes and she was trying to stand up more and more every time that was big progress and am sure that after 3-4 months cow Gangotri will walk again.
but something terrible happen - RSPCA just come and kill the cow Gangotri and why they kill cow who was getting better every day ?
Naraharirupadas

Jock, London says...
11:05am Sun 16 Dec 07

Rasa wrote:
Jock wrote:
Rasa wrote: This cow was able to move on her own, she was eating and performing all bodily functions normally. She was being groomed every day by an appointed carer, and received such treatment as even humans don't get. She was always alert whenever someone walked by her, and had relationships. Her condition was a couple of bed sores from not being strong enough to stand up. When I had a major operation, I also couldn't walk on my own for quite some time, I lost a lot of weight, was in pain and my muscles got weak- maybe the RSPCA should've come after me with an injection too. Religion and science aside, can we not simply look at the fact that this cow was not nearly in the state that the rspca is claiming, that they needlessly killed her.
So you, and all the others berating the RSPCA, are actually trained vets and examined the animal, did you?? You've also contradicted yourself. You start by saying "This cow was able to move on her own" and later state "it was too weak to stand". Sorry, but cows like to get up and roam around fields, eat the grass, etc. Not lie in a shed and develop sores. And do you really think that vets would be so heartless as to put down a healthy animal?? Don't be so ludicrous, all of you.
You don't need to be a vet to know if your pet whom you see every day is in pain and crying out. Standing is not the only movement. She was able to move her legs, shift her position, etc. And yes, cows do lie down a lot! She was in a sheltered, yet open aired area. And yes, the vets only know one thing: KILL. As soon as a cow stops producing milk at a regular farm, they KILL her. They KILL bulls as soon as they are born or use them for veal. Don't be so naive.
Your last paragraph really demonstrates how ridiculous your whole argument has been, mate. Last time I took my dog to the vet, it received curative treatment, not euthanasia. So don't come out with your puerile rubbish about vets only knowing how to kill.

Cattle are bred in this country to produce meat and dairy produce. Fact of life. And if all bulls were killed as soon as they were born, how come there are so many cows?

And you have the nerve to call me naive...

Rowan, Newcastle says...
11:09am Sun 16 Dec 07


I look at the world and I notice it's turning
While my guitar gently weeps
With every mistake we must surely be learning
Still my guitar gently weeps

I don't know how you were diverted
you were perverted too
I don't know how you were inverted
no one alerted you

G Harrison.

Jock, London says...
11:09am Sun 16 Dec 07

bud bud wrote:
I think that seeing as the cow was cared for it should not have been put down. The people caring for the cow would have known best. I do not respect this countries attitude towards animals. BSE and faliure to innoculate against foot and mouth saw millions of cows waisted. The men in black assaulted me with a dirty needle for the same reason, they have no respect for people of colour or their religions. To read the racist comments like go back to your own country makes me sick and i understand many are of uk origin anyway. I hope some hindu's are not offended or upset but this culture and way of life in the west is fascist capitalim devoid of compassion and respect for nature or even humans. The sensless murder of millions of iraqi's and afghans, faliure to act on Burma ect. Money rules these peoples hearts and hell awaits there souls. Go back to my own country? I will and soon, so even if i was born here which i was it is still not my country because of my colour? OK
I wondered how long it would take your rant to reach the tired anti-war/capitalism rhetoric.

Do us a favour, and stick to the topic. Because frankly, people like you bore me to tears.

Paul, Staffs says...
2:28pm Sun 16 Dec 07

RSPCA are hypocrites and murderers. They should be stripped of any powers they have !

Rasa, Radlett UK says...
5:24pm Sun 16 Dec 07

Jock wrote:
Rasa wrote:
Jock wrote:
Rasa wrote: This cow was able to move on her own, she was eating and performing all bodily functions normally. She was being groomed every day by an appointed carer, and received such treatment as even humans don't get. She was always alert whenever someone walked by her, and had relationships. Her condition was a couple of bed sores from not being strong enough to stand up. When I had a major operation, I also couldn't walk on my own for quite some time, I lost a lot of weight, was in pain and my muscles got weak- maybe the RSPCA should've come after me with an injection too. Religion and science aside, can we not simply look at the fact that this cow was not nearly in the state that the rspca is claiming, that they needlessly killed her.
So you, and all the others berating the RSPCA, are actually trained vets and examined the animal, did you?? You've also contradicted yourself. You start by saying "This cow was able to move on her own" and later state "it was too weak to stand". Sorry, but cows like to get up and roam around fields, eat the grass, etc. Not lie in a shed and develop sores. And do you really think that vets would be so heartless as to put down a healthy animal?? Don't be so ludicrous, all of you.
You don't need to be a vet to know if your pet whom you see every day is in pain and crying out. Standing is not the only movement. She was able to move her legs, shift her position, etc. And yes, cows do lie down a lot! She was in a sheltered, yet open aired area. And yes, the vets only know one thing: KILL. As soon as a cow stops producing milk at a regular farm, they KILL her. They KILL bulls as soon as they are born or use them for veal. Don't be so naive.
Your last paragraph really demonstrates how ridiculous your whole argument has been, mate. Last time I took my dog to the vet, it received curative treatment, not euthanasia. So don't come out with your puerile rubbish about vets only knowing how to kill.

Cattle are bred in this country to produce meat and dairy produce. Fact of life. And if all bulls were killed as soon as they were born, how come there are so many cows?

And you have the nerve to call me naive...
Once you start seeing the bigger picture, the actual point rather than hanging on to pedantics, then we can have a real conversation. Once you have kept an animal and cared for it, nursing it through its' difficulties, then we can talk. Or once you have visited a slaughterhouse and seen for real what happens in there, then we can talk. Open your eyes to reality, man.

stephen, wales says...
5:48pm Sun 16 Dec 07

yeah jock! go back where you came from! open your eyes... you're just one of those nerds who are defending themselves because you are afraid of learning and seeing the reality - TRUTH. "jock" ****

Jock, London says...
6:38pm Sun 16 Dec 07

stephen wrote:
yeah jock! go back where you came from! open your eyes... you're just one of those nerds who are defending themselves because you are afraid of learning and seeing the reality - TRUTH. "jock" ****
Stephen, why not contribute something? Instead of hurling a lot of childish abuse? Your comment doesn't even make sense, you taffy fool! And where exactly should I go back to? I was born in Britain.

And in response to Rasa, I've visited a couple of slaughterhouses in my time, and I've seen what goes on. All part of putting a nice, juicy steak on my dinner plate. So what is it you want to talk about?

daisy, says...
6:55pm Sun 16 Dec 07

bud bud wrote:
I think that seeing as the cow was cared for it should not have been put down. The people caring for the cow would have known best. I do not respect this countries attitude towards animals. BSE and faliure to innoculate against foot and mouth saw millions of cows waisted. The men in black assaulted me with a dirty needle for the same reason, they have no respect for people of colour or their religions. To read the racist comments like go back to your own country makes me sick and i understand many are of uk origin anyway. I hope some hindu's are not offended or upset but this culture and way of life in the west is fascist capitalim devoid of compassion and respect for nature or even humans. The sensless murder of millions of iraqi's and afghans, faliure to act on Burma ect. Money rules these peoples hearts and hell awaits there souls. Go back to my own country? I will and soon, so even if i was born here which i was it is still not my country because of my colour? OK
you talk a load of sh1t mate, if you were born here then you shouldn't be slaggin the place off, if your that bothered p1ss off back to your own country if you feel you dont belong, you people are very disturbed, and what does it come down to that makes you like that.. bl0dey religion
hell will await your soul love, with that attitude heaven wouldnt flllkin want you so fkkck off

Lisa, Croydon says...
8:23pm Sun 16 Dec 07

daisy wrote:
bud bud wrote: I think that seeing as the cow was cared for it should not have been put down. The people caring for the cow would have known best. I do not respect this countries attitude towards animals. BSE and faliure to innoculate against foot and mouth saw millions of cows waisted. The men in black assaulted me with a dirty needle for the same reason, they have no respect for people of colour or their religions. To read the racist comments like go back to your own country makes me sick and i understand many are of uk origin anyway. I hope some hindu's are not offended or upset but this culture and way of life in the west is fascist capitalim devoid of compassion and respect for nature or even humans. The sensless murder of millions of iraqi's and afghans, faliure to act on Burma ect. Money rules these peoples hearts and hell awaits there souls. Go back to my own country? I will and soon, so even if i was born here which i was it is still not my country because of my colour? OK
you talk a load of sh1t mate, if you were born here then you shouldn't be slaggin the place off, if your that bothered p1ss off back to your own country if you feel you dont belong, you people are very disturbed, and what does it come down to that makes you like that.. bl0dey religion hell will await your soul love, with that attitude heaven wouldnt flllkin want you so fkkck off
What a nasty peice of chav scum you are! You cant even spell properly, let alone use the right characters to type words but I bet you are the the first to harp on about being English and how people of colour should go back to their own country etc and you cant even spell your own language properly!
Just because he may sl#g off some of the things he may have experienced in this country, doesnt mean he wasnt born here. And for you to tell him to f#ck off to his own country, ermmm he is in his own country you moron!
And what do you mean by you people exactly?
It is people like YOU, who crack me up. You are illiterate, uneducated, uncultured and plain dumb! Its a shame there are people like yourselves living in such a developed country and yet are so unworldly, its unreal!
However, its nice to see many understanding comments on here. But whilst none of us apart from the owners really know the true state of this cow and the facts, why make comments on their religion and country? That is just plain ignorant.

Rasa, Radlett UK says...
8:43pm Sun 16 Dec 07

Thank you Lisa for your support. It is difficult to hear some of these comments, espcially the racial ones- seeing as how Gangotri's main carers ARE British and European. Just goes to show how ignorant people can be.

Lisa, Croydon says...
8:49pm Sun 16 Dec 07

Rasa, I wouldnt worry about what people have to say. I have had things said to me in the past but you just have to realise there are ignorant and uneducated people who have never gone further than Spain in this country, and just ignore it. You know who you are and what you do and beleive in so who cares what other people think!

daisy, says...
9:09pm Sun 16 Dec 07

Lisa wrote:
daisy wrote:
bud bud wrote: I think that seeing as the cow was cared for it should not have been put down. The people caring for the cow would have known best. I do not respect this countries attitude towards animals. BSE and faliure to innoculate against foot and mouth saw millions of cows waisted. The men in black assaulted me with a dirty needle for the same reason, they have no respect for people of colour or their religions. To read the racist comments like go back to your own country makes me sick and i understand many are of uk origin anyway. I hope some hindu's are not offended or upset but this culture and way of life in the west is fascist capitalim devoid of compassion and respect for nature or even humans. The sensless murder of millions of iraqi's and afghans, faliure to act on Burma ect. Money rules these peoples hearts and hell awaits there souls. Go back to my own country? I will and soon, so even if i was born here which i was it is still not my country because of my colour? OK
you talk a load of sh1t mate, if you were born here then you shouldn't be slaggin the place off, if your that bothered p1ss off back to your own country if you feel you dont belong, you people are very disturbed, and what does it come down to that makes you like that.. bl0dey religion hell will await your soul love, with that attitude heaven wouldnt flllkin want you so fkkck off
What a nasty peice of chav scum you are! You cant even spell properly, let alone use the right characters to type words but I bet you are the the first to harp on about being English and how people of colour should go back to their own country etc and you cant even spell your own language properly! Just because he may sl#g off some of the things he may have experienced in this country, doesnt mean he wasnt born here. And for you to tell him to f#ck off to his own country, ermmm he is in his own country you moron! And what do you mean by you people exactly? It is people like YOU, who crack me up. You are illiterate, uneducated, uncultured and plain dumb! Its a shame there are people like yourselves living in such a developed country and yet are so unworldly, its unreal! However, its nice to see many understanding comments on here. But whilst none of us apart from the owners really know the true state of this cow and the facts, why make comments on their religion and country? That is just plain ignorant.
he was born in this country so therefore it is his country but like many other people like him he is slagging off the uk 'westerners'and saying that he will be going back to HIS country so if he dislikes it that much well foook off then!you know nothing about me and my background, this person was clearly saying that he does not like this country and dosent class it as his country!! so you haven't read the post properly have you you fool! he was the one being ignorant, chav scum? nooo far from it, i havent got a council house and claim all the benefits because i am not lazy and a 'chav' as you say, i have my own place and everything i have i earned myself, and i work hard and help alot of people in my work what do you do? so after reading your post your now just as bad as me then arent you?! my spelling is fine, there were no mistakes so maybe you cant spell? i am not writing a book or a legal document so im not too bothered about all the apostrophies that may or may not be there, so if thats all you can moan about then you can **** off aswell! so tell me, you agree with what 'budbud' typed do you? if you do, you are just as disturbed if it wasnt for people like me then all the immigrants/layabouts wouldnt get their benefits oh and love check your own spelling, for bud bud to actually type a posting like that what does he expect, he is the ignorant one and you are too
THAT COW WAS NOT LIVING A HAPPY EXISTENCE IN A SHED IT WAS JUST KEPT ALIVE FOR SELFISH REASONS, THE COW WAS NOT ABLE TO WALK SO IT JUST LAY THERE..NICE REAL NICE.. RELIGION IS SELFISH AND IGNORANT

daisy, says...
9:18pm Sun 16 Dec 07

Rasa wrote:
Thank you Lisa for your support. It is difficult to hear some of these comments, espcially the racial ones- seeing as how Gangotri's main carers ARE British and European. Just goes to show how ignorant people can be.
oh here we go, racial card ! if this is for me, i am not racist at all, i am just saying that religion has alot to answer for, keeping a sick animal that could not walk at all with bed sores and various other problems i expect, it is down right cruel the cow dosent give a t0ss how much you prey and worship it does it i suppose it just made you feel better because deep down you must of known it was not fair on the animal but for you to somehow worship (to hide your guilt you thought it would say dont worry love, i am very lonely/depressed and in pain and discomfort but because you worship and prey for me its ok dont worry about it! I DONT THINK SO

monk, battersea says...
1:35am Mon 17 Dec 07

It is easy to see the simmering tensions within our society have reached a tepid level. How on earth do we nod and smile tto each other in the street or at work in this emotive climate?
The animosity displayed within our society is phenomonal and all over what is essentially a component of a big mac. Though i respect the people who chose to care for this animal, however the title of this story and the way it has been portrayed i find provocative and sensational scare mongering.Remember the power of the media and the 45min claim? Fortunatly the folks concerned are non violent or confrontational but the title of this story suggests so. Believe me you have all been brainwashed and enticed to enter into this frenzied slaging match. No disrespect but people are losing their lives every minute because of preventable disease and wars, from the nature of this debate it is easy to see how human kind has thus far been unable to elevate itself above the current status quo.Peace and goodwill to all creeds genders religions and gods creations from the Monk.

Siddha das, London says...
2:36pm Mon 17 Dec 07

SHOCKING to read some of the comments on here. Obviously you people who are so rude and abusive are very sad lonely people and full of anger. I was born and bred in England and I believe 100% in cow protection so just exactly which country should i go back to? If you weren't so ignorant then you might be able to understand that none of us are these material bodies, the body is like a suit of clothes worn by you the soul...we are all part and parcel of the Supreme Person. You should learn some manners and respect for others then maybe you could hold an intelligent conversation. So what next...killing old folks and kids because they cant walk or enjoy this world to the best of their senses?

Jock, London says...
12:32am Tue 18 Dec 07

Siddha das wrote:
SHOCKING to read some of the comments on here. Obviously you people who are so rude and abusive are very sad lonely people and full of anger. I was born and bred in England and I believe 100% in cow protection so just exactly which country should i go back to? If you weren't so ignorant then you might be able to understand that none of us are these material bodies, the body is like a suit of clothes worn by you the soul...we are all part and parcel of the Supreme Person. You should learn some manners and respect for others then maybe you could hold an intelligent conversation. So what next...killing old folks and kids because they cant walk or enjoy this world to the best of their senses?
You're assuming that we all believe in your philosophy about the correlation between body and spirit( or soul, or whatever you want to call it).

Well, I don't, because I'm a MSc qualified biologist who has learned facts, not theory. We exist due to biochemical processes which create certain voltages in the body. Once you are dead, that's that. I mean, where's the actual evidence that the soul continues to exist after the body dies?? I'll tell you. Nowhere.

This is my opinion, I'm entitled to it.



Siddha das, London says...
6:59pm Tue 18 Dec 07

Jock wrote:
Siddha das wrote:
SHOCKING to read some of the comments on here. Obviously you people who are so rude and abusive are very sad lonely people and full of anger. I was born and bred in England and I believe 100% in cow protection so just exactly which country should i go back to? If you weren't so ignorant then you might be able to understand that none of us are these material bodies, the body is like a suit of clothes worn by you the soul...we are all part and parcel of the Supreme Person. You should learn some manners and respect for others then maybe you could hold an intelligent conversation. So what next...killing old folks and kids because they cant walk or enjoy this world to the best of their senses?
You're assuming that we all believe in your philosophy about the correlation between body and spirit( or soul, or whatever you want to call it).

Well, I don't, because I'm a MSc qualified biologist who has learned facts, not theory. We exist due to biochemical processes which create certain voltages in the body. Once you are dead, that's that. I mean, where's the actual evidence that the soul continues to exist after the body dies?? I'll tell you. Nowhere.

This is my opinion, I'm entitled to it.


Hi Jock

If we exist "due to biochemical processes" then lets see you create life in the lab....YOU CANT CAN YOU! If I bring you a dead fish and say "make this fish come back to life YOU CANT! Because the life force is no longer within the body. There was a study (by Atomic Scientists) that showed that the material body is constantly changing and that the body (down to the very last atom) is completely renewed after 7 years. Therefore the body I had on 7 years ago is gone and I have a totaly new body on...the old body has gone to the dirt through the process of metabolism. But I still exist although the body has changed...how is that? Because I AM NOT THE BODY...WHO AM I? SPIRIT SOUL. Through the process of hearing and chanting God's Holy names a person can realise and understand his true identity...you should try it...you may even like it! Wishing you well. TRY IT AND PROVE ME WRONG!!

bud bud, kill&burn the dead says...
8:40pm Wed 19 Dec 07

1st to the ignorant bse yaming mac cnuts yo fools!2nd i and i know this **** ole babylon can never compare to the land of 2 rivers. 3rd if you had respect for youselves you'd know not to tolerate the gm world you live in and exploit the poor with 4th scientific speaking he energy total sum dissapates from the body into the air, tell me ho western science explains the chakra and accupuncture meridians. 5th i may disagree with western fasco-capitilism but only because it is rooted in slavery, explotation and murde.So why i consider the flight from here? the obvious materialism is expensive-a warmer climate=less clothes and energy bils. An answer to monk, you are correct and wise my friend.

The Gauntlet., DuelatDawn says...
2:43pm Thu 20 Dec 07

lets see you create life in the lab....YOU CANT CAN YOU! If I bring you a dead fish and say "make this fish come back to life YOU CANT!

Send Jock the dead cow and let him try , if it don't work then im afraid you will have to ask santa for a new one , if it does then eveyones happy and jock gets to ride off into the sunset with his Nobel peace prize.
bud bud , please don't post amymore, i had to wipe coffee from my puter srceen and keyboard before making my post , thank you.

charlie, New York says...
8:43pm Thu 20 Dec 07

I just stumbled across, this story. I live in New York, what I don't understand, is why a private charity is allowed enforce laws with help of the police. Furthermore, even if the animal was in pain, is there such a dearth of animal cruelty in the UK that the RSPCA has to come in euthanize an animal that by all measures seemed loved and well cared for. Seems fairly extreme to me. Whats next, the some version of the RSPCA forcefully euthanizing people elderly relatives. Seems the RSPCA needs some much needs to learn put things in context, and come up with a more balanced perspective, I would upset if anyone did this to a pet I loved and cared for.

lucy.t, says...
4:12pm Fri 21 Dec 07

is there such a dearth of animal cruelty in the UK that the RSPCA has to come in euthanize an animal that by all measures seemed loved and well cared for.
You should see how we treat our children , we are bottom of the league in Europe for all the things we don't do , another government fails people and yet still the same two parties get in.

chris green, watford says...
7:56pm Fri 21 Dec 07

Tigs wrote:
Sorry to be thick but I don\'t understand what happened to her? What is a mating accident? Whoops sorry there love, I slipped it in the wrong one? Did she lose her balance? I\'m just curious and I don\'t mean to be offensive either.
Hi Tigs,
No worries, fair question. Gangotri was mounted by a bull, I think the bull was Bhima, around mid september last year. Bhima is a particularly heavy bull. I'm not a vet, so I can't be too precise on this, but there was some kind of nerve problem in the area of her lower spine and hip it seems as Bhimas weight caused her to immediately fall. Though despite the request for a more accurate diagnosis from several vets over months and longer to assist in Gangotris comfort further, even as maximum attention was always our priority, just as if (as was) a family member is sick, none seemed able or qualified to be able to do this. But the best (very expensive,) guess we got was that there was some nerve or cartilage injury in the hip/lower spine area - which was assumed anyway by those of us with Gangotri who are not vets. Chris

skye, Surrey says...
5:28pm Mon 24 Dec 07

In ALL scriptures it says Love they Neighbour. Hindus extend that to all living entities.
One must have correct facts before making unqualified judgement with prejudice preconceived ideas arising from irrational fear
No muscle wasting disease.
Nursed as good as human mother better than care home
2 different vets treating with allopathic and homeopathic medicine had indecently assessed on request of monks
recovery was being made
there is the matter of last rites after so much care, if absolutely must kill after court case.
Kosher and Halal causes pain.
Karma: What goes around comes around.

soso, says...
10:31am Sat 29 Dec 07

Typical of this country's disrespect to foriegn culture's and sensitivity's, then the same brute force was applied to Joy Garderner, a pensioner 'euthanaised' by police and immigration.
The several million 'burnt offerings' of the anti christ blair during the pre war foot and mouth fiasco illustrate the contempt for all living creatures of the Sax coberg gotha's evil fake dark lord's demoncracy. Peace to all good men. Durga pooja!

dalit 5-0, cambridge says...
11:59pm Sun 30 Dec 07

I just had a mating accident and aint no one gonna put me down ! Gestapo police and doctors these days. I am a hindu but ill say that a good look should be taken at the human suffering all over the world too as in the scale of things i believe the cow incedent is indicative of the state and market economy acting as a bully. Big up all of the dalit crew

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