Bromley MP Bob Neill brands Douglas Carswell Ukip defection "misguided" and "self-defeating"

Bob Neill MP

Bob Neill MP

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Bromley and Chislehurst MP Bob Neill says former Tory MP Douglas Carswell’s defection to Ukip is “misguided” and “self-defeating”.

Mr Neill joined many other Conservatives in saying Mr Carswell would have contributed more to the European Union debate had he stayed loyal.

The past member for Clacton yesterday (Aug 28) caused shockwaves in British politics when he resigned his seat and joined Ukip. He will now fight a by-election.

Mr Neill told News Shopper: “I think it’s seriously misguided of him to have done what he’s done.

“I know him and get on well with him – I think it’s important to work as part of a team. It’s self-defeating.

“I think he’s let the side down”.

Mr Neill added it would have been far better if his former colleague had stayed - as the Conservatives are the “only party able to offer an EU referendum”.

He added: “It’s such a shame – we’re working towards a referendum. It’s important to support the vote.

“We want to make sure we don’t end up with a Labour or Liberal Democrat government.”

The Bromley MP, who describes himself "a moderate Tory, conceded he is a “bit of a Eurosceptic” and “radical reform is needed”.

But Mr Carswell clearly holds stronger views on Europe and claimed yesterday that Prime Minister David Cameron “is not serious about the change we need”.

He said only UKIP could "shake up that cosy little clique called Westminster".

Mr Cameron pledged an ‘in/out’ referendum in 2017 and yesterday commented on Mr Carswell’s decision to jump ship, calling it “regrettable” and “counterproductive”.

If Mr Carswell gains support from voters he will be the first Ukip MP elected in the Commons.

The move was welcomed by Ukip leader Nigel Farage, who said more defections are likely if his new candidate wins Clacton back.

It comes amid claims the Conservatives are worried about the Ukip threat with the 2015 General Election drawing near.

But Mr Neill, who is set to contest his Tory stronghold seat next year, said he is not concerned.

He added: “I’ll be fighting to regain my seat. The job is not done and I hope people give us the time to do it.

“You can never place them (Ukip). But I don’t want to give them a chance.”

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11:02am Fri 29 Aug 14

The Fozziest of Bears says...

Bob - it's time the politicians noticed that the electorate are not happy about Euro law making / human rights loopholes / unhindered immigration.

Fair play to Carswell for doing the honourable thing and resigning, so the voters can decide if he represents their views going forward.

You and many other longserving MP's are in for a shock when they next empty the ballot boxes - the game has changed without you noticing, and previous Tory/Lib/Lab voters are looking for guarantees that there will be primary school places/medical appointments/space on roads and public transport for their GRANDCHILDREN.

We already know that this island is full to bursting and the infrastructure cannot support another 5m people in addition to the 5m that have come here in the last 10 years - but which mainstream party is going to do anything about it ? - none of them.
Bob - it's time the politicians noticed that the electorate are not happy about Euro law making / human rights loopholes / unhindered immigration. Fair play to Carswell for doing the honourable thing and resigning, so the voters can decide if he represents their views going forward. You and many other longserving MP's are in for a shock when they next empty the ballot boxes - the game has changed without you noticing, and previous Tory/Lib/Lab voters are looking for guarantees that there will be primary school places/medical appointments/space on roads and public transport for their GRANDCHILDREN. We already know that this island is full to bursting and the infrastructure cannot support another 5m people in addition to the 5m that have come here in the last 10 years - but which mainstream party is going to do anything about it ? - none of them. The Fozziest of Bears
  • Score: 70

11:20am Fri 29 Aug 14

goldenbroomboy says...

Bob knows that the last party to beat the Tories in Bromley were the Whigs, so he has a job here as long as he wants regardless of what any of us ranting on this site may think.

As for Douglas Carswell, I can remember another "Douglas" who defected & did the decent thing-Bruce Mann in Mitcham in 1982, and it was his ticket to nowhere. However, if Mr C wants to leave the most consistently successful political party in Western Europe to join a rag bag of loonies that is up to him.
Bob knows that the last party to beat the Tories in Bromley were the Whigs, so he has a job here as long as he wants regardless of what any of us ranting on this site may think. As for Douglas Carswell, I can remember another "Douglas" who defected & did the decent thing-Bruce Mann in Mitcham in 1982, and it was his ticket to nowhere. However, if Mr C wants to leave the most consistently successful political party in Western Europe to join a rag bag of loonies that is up to him. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: -25

11:32am Fri 29 Aug 14

Gypo.Joe says...

" a rag bag of loonies "

You don't mean UKIP do you ?

If so you will upset the Kippers boi. ;)
" a rag bag of loonies " You don't mean UKIP do you ? If so you will upset the Kippers boi. ;) Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 6

11:50am Fri 29 Aug 14

sarfflondonbird says...

The Connie s are getting worried, how misguided and self defeating do this lot sound?
The Connie s are getting worried, how misguided and self defeating do this lot sound? sarfflondonbird
  • Score: -100

12:10pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Gypo.Joe says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
The Connie s are getting worried, how misguided and self defeating do this lot sound?
Not as worried as the BNP/EDL numb nuts.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: The Connie s are getting worried, how misguided and self defeating do this lot sound?[/p][/quote]Not as worried as the BNP/EDL numb nuts. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -2

6:25pm Fri 29 Aug 14

The Fozziest of Bears says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
Bob knows that the last party to beat the Tories in Bromley were the Whigs, so he has a job here as long as he wants regardless of what any of us ranting on this site may think.

As for Douglas Carswell, I can remember another "Douglas" who defected & did the decent thing-Bruce Mann in Mitcham in 1982, and it was his ticket to nowhere. However, if Mr C wants to leave the most consistently successful political party in Western Europe to join a rag bag of loonies that is up to him.
Bob can toddle off to the House of Lords anytime he likes, and the Tories will be glad of his safe seat, but like I said - the game is changing and complacency will be Camercon's undoing.

What is the popular voice in Britain saying right now ?

Stop wars/involvement in foreign problems
Stop overseas aid (especially the £3m that goes to India)
Remove passports from extremists who go abroad to fight
Reduce immigration
Deport those who come here illegally, regardless of their "right to family life" under the Human Rights Act.
Reject benefit claims for migrants who have not contributed to the economy.
Train our own young people to be taxi drivers, carers, shop workers etc.

We don't need another 5m people operating car washes or begging in London - we cannot feed/house the people that are already here!

Camercon only does what the USA tells him to do.
Millibland doesn't know if it is Friday or Xmas
Fib Dems - are finished as a party after breaking the tuition fees promise.

Only one alternative it seems.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: Bob knows that the last party to beat the Tories in Bromley were the Whigs, so he has a job here as long as he wants regardless of what any of us ranting on this site may think. As for Douglas Carswell, I can remember another "Douglas" who defected & did the decent thing-Bruce Mann in Mitcham in 1982, and it was his ticket to nowhere. However, if Mr C wants to leave the most consistently successful political party in Western Europe to join a rag bag of loonies that is up to him.[/p][/quote]Bob can toddle off to the House of Lords anytime he likes, and the Tories will be glad of his safe seat, but like I said - the game is changing and complacency will be Camercon's undoing. What is the popular voice in Britain saying right now ? Stop wars/involvement in foreign problems Stop overseas aid (especially the £3m that goes to India) Remove passports from extremists who go abroad to fight Reduce immigration Deport those who come here illegally, regardless of their "right to family life" under the Human Rights Act. Reject benefit claims for migrants who have not contributed to the economy. Train our own young people to be taxi drivers, carers, shop workers etc. We don't need another 5m people operating car washes or begging in London - we cannot feed/house the people that are already here! Camercon only does what the USA tells him to do. Millibland doesn't know if it is Friday or Xmas Fib Dems - are finished as a party after breaking the tuition fees promise. Only one alternative it seems. The Fozziest of Bears
  • Score: 57

5:27am Sat 30 Aug 14

Padrino says...

' Mr C wants to leave the most consistently successful political party in Western Europe '

Successful at what? Getting elected in a two horse race? This is the (one of many) problem with modern politicians and their tribalist supporters. They view the canvassing and winning elections as their job and then it's a free ride on the gravy train for 4 or 5 years when they're in and the only thing the electorate gets is a middle finger and double-speak twaddle.

I was on the fence about whether to even vote come the next election. Mr Carswell's defection has probably ensured I will vote UKIP, IF their manifesto is at least mildly feasible. I don't care if voting UKIP hands power to Labour, I've survived 42 years of successive waste-of-space Governments and I can stomach another 5 if it means the permanent end of Labour and 'Cast Iron' Cameron and his like. Either way the LibLabCon triumverate will be over soon. Even if by some miracle UKIP do win a GE and then proceed to mess up, it's just 5 more years of what we're used to and we can get behind someone else we think represents our views and one day we might actually get it right.

Note to MP's and their supporters, level-headed people like myself don't forget being referred to as swivel-eyed loons and such. Remember that when it costs you elections.
' Mr C wants to leave the most consistently successful political party in Western Europe ' Successful at what? Getting elected in a two horse race? This is the (one of many) problem with modern politicians and their tribalist supporters. They view the canvassing and winning elections as their job and then it's a free ride on the gravy train for 4 or 5 years when they're in and the only thing the electorate gets is a middle finger and double-speak twaddle. I was on the fence about whether to even vote come the next election. Mr Carswell's defection has probably ensured I will vote UKIP, IF their manifesto is at least mildly feasible. I don't care if voting UKIP hands power to Labour, I've survived 42 years of successive waste-of-space Governments and I can stomach another 5 if it means the permanent end of Labour and 'Cast Iron' Cameron and his like. Either way the LibLabCon triumverate will be over soon. Even if by some miracle UKIP do win a GE and then proceed to mess up, it's just 5 more years of what we're used to and we can get behind someone else we think represents our views and one day we might actually get it right. Note to MP's and their supporters, level-headed people like myself don't forget being referred to as swivel-eyed loons and such. Remember that when it costs you elections. Padrino
  • Score: 35

5:32am Sat 30 Aug 14

Padrino says...

' Mr C wants to leave the most consistently successful political party in Western Europe '

Successful at what? Getting elected in a two horse race? This is the (one of many) problem with modern politicians and their tribalist supporters. They view the canvassing and winning elections as their job and then it's a free ride on the gravy train for 4 or 5 years when they're in and the only thing the electorate gets is a middle finger and double-speak twaddle.

I was on the fence about whether to even vote come the next election. Mr Carswell's defection has probably ensured I will vote UKIP and a paying member, IF their manifesto is at least mildly feasible. I don't care if voting UKIP hands power to Labour, I've survived 42 years of successive waste-of-space Governments and I can stomach another 5 if it means the permanent end of Labour and 'Cast Iron' Cameron and his like. Either way the LabCon duopoly will be over soon. Even if by some miracle UKIP do win a GE and then proceed to mess up, it's just 5 more years of what we're used to and we can get behind someone else we think represents our views and one day we might actually get it right.

Note to MP's and their supporters, level-headed people like myself don't ever forget being referred to as swivel-eyed loons and such. Remember that when it costs you elections.
' Mr C wants to leave the most consistently successful political party in Western Europe ' Successful at what? Getting elected in a two horse race? This is the (one of many) problem with modern politicians and their tribalist supporters. They view the canvassing and winning elections as their job and then it's a free ride on the gravy train for 4 or 5 years when they're in and the only thing the electorate gets is a middle finger and double-speak twaddle. I was on the fence about whether to even vote come the next election. Mr Carswell's defection has probably ensured I will vote UKIP and a paying member, IF their manifesto is at least mildly feasible. I don't care if voting UKIP hands power to Labour, I've survived 42 years of successive waste-of-space Governments and I can stomach another 5 if it means the permanent end of Labour and 'Cast Iron' Cameron and his like. Either way the LabCon duopoly will be over soon. Even if by some miracle UKIP do win a GE and then proceed to mess up, it's just 5 more years of what we're used to and we can get behind someone else we think represents our views and one day we might actually get it right. Note to MP's and their supporters, level-headed people like myself don't ever forget being referred to as swivel-eyed loons and such. Remember that when it costs you elections. Padrino
  • Score: 45

5:33am Sat 30 Aug 14

Padrino says...

Bleh, double-post
Bleh, double-post Padrino
  • Score: 5

11:46am Sat 30 Aug 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Padrino wrote:
Bleh, double-post
Itchy trigger finger syndrome boi.
[quote][p][bold]Padrino[/bold] wrote: Bleh, double-post[/p][/quote]Itchy trigger finger syndrome boi. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 1

5:44pm Sat 30 Aug 14

JaySterling says...

I believe that Bob Neill is trying to mislead the electorate on one point, and I'd just like to clear this up. He says that he's "a bit of a Eurosceptic." However, Bob Neill's biography in Wikipedia reads:

"He is also a member of the EU's Committee of the Regions, and a member of the European People's Party - European Democrats. A pro-European, he supported former Conservative Chancellor Kenneth Clarke in both of his bids for the leadership of the Conservative Party."

Of course it's possible that Bob Neill has changed his mind, but I believe that the electorate should be highly sceptical of Bob Neill.
I believe that Bob Neill is trying to mislead the electorate on one point, and I'd just like to clear this up. He says that he's "a bit of a Eurosceptic." However, Bob Neill's biography in Wikipedia reads: "He is also a member of the EU's Committee of the Regions, and a member of the European People's Party - European Democrats. A pro-European, he supported former Conservative Chancellor Kenneth Clarke in both of his bids for the leadership of the Conservative Party." Of course it's possible that Bob Neill has changed his mind, but I believe that the electorate should be highly sceptical of Bob Neill. JaySterling
  • Score: 5

6:51pm Sat 30 Aug 14

sarfflondonbird says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
The Connie s are getting worried, how misguided and self defeating do this lot sound?
Not as worried as the BNP/EDL numb nuts.
You could be right there (for once). On the other hand though, who knows how voters change of attitudes will make them vote? After all, just look at your voting system that youve rigged for the past month or so......happy dayz.
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: The Connie s are getting worried, how misguided and self defeating do this lot sound?[/p][/quote]Not as worried as the BNP/EDL numb nuts.[/p][/quote]You could be right there (for once). On the other hand though, who knows how voters change of attitudes will make them vote? After all, just look at your voting system that youve rigged for the past month or so......happy dayz. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: -18

7:54am Sun 31 Aug 14

Dr Martin says...

Bob Neill is probably right, as the conservatives are the only party that are likely to have a chance of becoming the biggest party next year and will offer a referendum.
Bob Neill is probably right, as the conservatives are the only party that are likely to have a chance of becoming the biggest party next year and will offer a referendum. Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

2:48pm Mon 1 Sep 14

right-writes says...

Of course Bob Neill would not support the actions of the brave Douglas Carswell.

Mr. Neill is according to Wikipedia, the source of the Newsshopper picture at the banner, a fanatical pro-EU phile, a member of the EPP, which I thought the Tory party had left?...

So anything that highlights the utter contempt that people hold for Cameron and his so-called referendum... is regarded by Neill as a no, no... A red flag.

Oh well, let's hope that our membership lasts long enough for Mr. Neill to enjoy a spell in Brussels in some sinecure to polish off a selfless career in "public service", it's only fair.
Of course Bob Neill would not support the actions of the brave Douglas Carswell. Mr. Neill is according to Wikipedia, the source of the Newsshopper picture at the banner, a fanatical pro-EU phile, a member of the EPP, which I thought the Tory party had left?... So anything that highlights the utter contempt that people hold for Cameron and his so-called referendum... is regarded by Neill as a no, no... A red flag. Oh well, let's hope that our membership lasts long enough for Mr. Neill to enjoy a spell in Brussels in some sinecure to polish off a selfless career in "public service", it's only fair. right-writes
  • Score: 4

1:13pm Wed 3 Sep 14

PaulErith says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
Bob knows that the last party to beat the Tories in Bromley were the Whigs, so he has a job here as long as he wants regardless of what any of us ranting on this site may think.

As for Douglas Carswell, I can remember another "Douglas" who defected & did the decent thing-Bruce Mann in Mitcham in 1982, and it was his ticket to nowhere. However, if Mr C wants to leave the most consistently successful political party in Western Europe to join a rag bag of loonies that is up to him.
When you describe the Conservatives as successful it really does depend how you define success. In terms of winning elections, then maybe. However, just look at the state this country is in right now. It's a mess and getting worse. That's their 'success' then?

People are slowly realising how bad things have got and are looking for alternatives. The Conservatives and people like yourself dismiss UKIP as loonies, but really does sum up the problem. They should think about why people are starting to vote UKIP and why there's now so much news time given to UKIP. If they do that, and look to incorporate people's concerns into their policies, they will draw back the voters. If they don't, the UKIP support will only grow.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: Bob knows that the last party to beat the Tories in Bromley were the Whigs, so he has a job here as long as he wants regardless of what any of us ranting on this site may think. As for Douglas Carswell, I can remember another "Douglas" who defected & did the decent thing-Bruce Mann in Mitcham in 1982, and it was his ticket to nowhere. However, if Mr C wants to leave the most consistently successful political party in Western Europe to join a rag bag of loonies that is up to him.[/p][/quote]When you describe the Conservatives as successful it really does depend how you define success. In terms of winning elections, then maybe. However, just look at the state this country is in right now. It's a mess and getting worse. That's their 'success' then? People are slowly realising how bad things have got and are looking for alternatives. The Conservatives and people like yourself dismiss UKIP as loonies, but really does sum up the problem. They should think about why people are starting to vote UKIP and why there's now so much news time given to UKIP. If they do that, and look to incorporate people's concerns into their policies, they will draw back the voters. If they don't, the UKIP support will only grow. PaulErith
  • Score: 5

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