Should Epsom become part of London?

The areas in blue, above, contain more people working in London than in their home district. Map: Barney Stringer / OS / ONS Census 2011

The areas in blue, above, contain more people working in London than in their home district. Map: Barney Stringer / OS / ONS Census 2011

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Is it time for London's boundary to be redrawn to include Epsom? 

Last month, Barney Stringer, a director at London planning consultancy Quod, raised the question of whether London is too small.

His argument was based on the release of data from the 2011 Census, showing people’s journeys to work. 

Based on this, Mr Stringer said there is an argument that the map of London could be redrawn "to reflect the reality of its huge economic pull on the wider south east".

He said: "It’s about raising a question - not because I have the answer on whether one area should change its boundary or not."

His blog article outlining his premise said: "These are not so much dormitory towns, as a whole dormitory belt around London that is utterly dependent on the city for work.

"In many cases entire districts - Epping Forest, Spelthorne, Epsom and Ewell, and Three Rivers - provide fewer jobs for their residents than London does.

"Is it time re-draw London’s boundaries once again, to embrace these areas that already function as part of the city?

"Or are there other ways to integrate London’s hinterland, perhaps by giving the Mayor of London greater powers over transport and housing beyond London’s boundaries?"

Epsom's position on the edge of the capital has an impact on many aspects of life from its current exclusion from travel Zone 6 to the situation with its hospital which is part of a London NHS trust although the surrounding GPs are part of Surrey NHS.

Epsom and Ewell was considered for inclusion within Greater London in the early 1960s, but it is understood that the idea was not welcomed and the proposition did not come to anything as the original plans, for what went on to become the Greater London Council, in 1965, were scaled back considerably and excluded the borough.

Epsom Guardian is putting together a story on this issue for Thursday’s newspaper.  What do you think?  Leave a comment below or contact Hardeep Matharu by calling 020 8722 6346 or email hmatharu@london.newsquest.co.uk.

To view Mr Stringer’s blog on the issue click here.

 

 

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7:25pm Mon 18 Aug 14

ticktock says...

It already is isn't it,
It already is isn't it, ticktock
  • Score: 2

4:04am Tue 19 Aug 14

Pseudonym99 says...

Well, as long as residents don't mind paying more council tax to pay for Boris Johnson......

And as long as residents don't think they still live in Surrey, like the people of Croydon and Sutton do - they haven't been in Surrey since 1965 and they get the hump if you tell them they live in London!

Epsom already has plenty of support from London Transport, though - plenty of red buses. NHS Surrey hasn't existed for over a year now, and hospitals are separate entities from GPs, so the Hospital is a London hospital argument doesn't really follow anyway - funding for hospitals doesn't come from council tax.
Well, as long as residents don't mind paying more council tax to pay for Boris Johnson...... And as long as residents don't think they still live in Surrey, like the people of Croydon and Sutton do - they haven't been in Surrey since 1965 and they get the hump if you tell them they live in London! Epsom already has plenty of support from London Transport, though - plenty of red buses. NHS Surrey hasn't existed for over a year now, and hospitals are separate entities from GPs, so the Hospital is a London hospital argument doesn't really follow anyway - funding for hospitals doesn't come from council tax. Pseudonym99
  • Score: 1

7:36am Tue 19 Aug 14

Tamer37 says...

Dartford is mostly London

Richmond should become 2 boroughs:
Twickenham Borough
Richmond Borough

Cut Hillingdon into 2 Boroughs
North part = Hillingdon Borough
South part = Heathrow Borough

perfect.
Dartford is mostly London Richmond should become 2 boroughs: Twickenham Borough Richmond Borough Cut Hillingdon into 2 Boroughs North part = Hillingdon Borough South part = Heathrow Borough perfect. Tamer37
  • Score: 2

12:07pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Angela M says...

I wish it could just become a London borough. I live in zone 6, but some of the buses that pass through take Oyster pay-as-you-go and some don't. Some shops have adopted London-style opening hours, and some haven't.

We're affected by changes to London's hospitals and transport network, but we have no say over any of it.

At the moment we're a bit of both, and it's just confusing. Especially for the poor souls who arrive at Epson Station and can't understand why their Oyster cards don't work...
I wish it could just become a London borough. I live in zone 6, but some of the buses that pass through take Oyster pay-as-you-go and some don't. Some shops have adopted London-style opening hours, and some haven't. We're affected by changes to London's hospitals and transport network, but we have no say over any of it. At the moment we're a bit of both, and it's just confusing. Especially for the poor souls who arrive at Epson Station and can't understand why their Oyster cards don't work... Angela M
  • Score: 5

1:28pm Tue 19 Aug 14

EpsomBornAndBred says...

Yes please, anything to rid this Borough of the faceless and incompetent Surrey County Council.
Yes please, anything to rid this Borough of the faceless and incompetent Surrey County Council. EpsomBornAndBred
  • Score: 4

9:25pm Tue 19 Aug 14

labyrinth says...

Pseudonym99 wrote:
Well, as long as residents don't mind paying more council tax to pay for Boris Johnson......

And as long as residents don't think they still live in Surrey, like the people of Croydon and Sutton do - they haven't been in Surrey since 1965 and they get the hump if you tell them they live in London!

Epsom already has plenty of support from London Transport, though - plenty of red buses. NHS Surrey hasn't existed for over a year now, and hospitals are separate entities from GPs, so the Hospital is a London hospital argument doesn't really follow anyway - funding for hospitals doesn't come from council tax.
The correct address for those living in Sutton is "Sutton, Surrey." That is a fact: if you live in Cheam, for example, your address is "Cheam, Sutton, Surrey." London has nothing to do with it.
[quote][p][bold]Pseudonym99[/bold] wrote: Well, as long as residents don't mind paying more council tax to pay for Boris Johnson...... And as long as residents don't think they still live in Surrey, like the people of Croydon and Sutton do - they haven't been in Surrey since 1965 and they get the hump if you tell them they live in London! Epsom already has plenty of support from London Transport, though - plenty of red buses. NHS Surrey hasn't existed for over a year now, and hospitals are separate entities from GPs, so the Hospital is a London hospital argument doesn't really follow anyway - funding for hospitals doesn't come from council tax.[/p][/quote]The correct address for those living in Sutton is "Sutton, Surrey." That is a fact: if you live in Cheam, for example, your address is "Cheam, Sutton, Surrey." London has nothing to do with it. labyrinth
  • Score: 3

8:42am Tue 26 Aug 14

sfocata says...

Well, Epsom is essentially an outer suburb in many ways, so it wouldn't be a huge change to make that an official status.

But... I would have misgivings for a few reasons. London is already too big and acts as a vast economic sponge. As a country, we really don't want more of this effect. How would funding be calculated? Part of our council tax would cover the Met Police... an organisation involved with policing top-level government and other official engagements. Should we contribute to that?

And then of course, the mayor... it wouldn't still be that bloody idiot (imagine the combination of Johnson and Grayling!) but we'd be replacing one two-tier local government with another.
Well, Epsom is essentially an outer suburb in many ways, so it wouldn't be a huge change to make that an official status. But... I would have misgivings for a few reasons. London is already too big and acts as a vast economic sponge. As a country, we really don't want more of this effect. How would funding be calculated? Part of our council tax would cover the Met Police... an organisation involved with policing top-level government and other official engagements. Should we contribute to that? And then of course, the mayor... it wouldn't still be that bloody idiot (imagine the combination of Johnson and Grayling!) but we'd be replacing one two-tier local government with another. sfocata
  • Score: 0

11:12am Thu 28 Aug 14

Dstudent says...

Zone 9 not zone 6. It wasy too far out from the centre to be remotely close to zone 6. The distance is comparable to other parts of London such as Watford.
Zone 9 not zone 6. It wasy too far out from the centre to be remotely close to zone 6. The distance is comparable to other parts of London such as Watford. Dstudent
  • Score: 0

11:31am Thu 28 Aug 14

sfocata says...

Watford isn't a reliable comparison... it's nearly 18 miles from Charing X (mind you, so is Caterham, and that's in zone 6).

Epsom is a similar distance (14-15 miles) to Loughton, Romford or Orpington... all zone 6.
Watford isn't a reliable comparison... it's nearly 18 miles from Charing X (mind you, so is Caterham, and that's in zone 6). Epsom is a similar distance (14-15 miles) to Loughton, Romford or Orpington... all zone 6. sfocata
  • Score: 1

8:13pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Daniel Dunican says...

Well if Epsom whats to benefit from London transport benefits like zone 6, oyster card, freedom passes and possible later transport they have to give in and become apart of London. if not what right does Epsom have to have them London transport benefits if it does not wish to be apart of London it would be unfair on other just out of London councils.
Well if Epsom whats to benefit from London transport benefits like zone 6, oyster card, freedom passes and possible later transport they have to give in and become apart of London. if not what right does Epsom have to have them London transport benefits if it does not wish to be apart of London it would be unfair on other just out of London councils. Daniel Dunican
  • Score: -1

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