MP Tom Brake branded a schoolgirl by Keep Our St Helier Hospital group after he blocks them on Twitter

MP Tom Brake (fifth from left) at a Save Our St Helier demonstration

MP Tom Brake (fifth from left) at a Save Our St Helier demonstration

First published in News This Is Local London: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

A campaign group has accused a Sutton MP of behaving like a schoolgirl after he blocked them on Twitter.

Carshalton and Wallington MP Tom Brake denied the Keep Our St Helier Hospital (KOSHH) group access to his Twitter feed, claiming they were misinforming the public.

Mr Brake and KOSHH both support protecting A&E and maternity wards at Epsom and St Helier Hospitals.

But the campaign group have accused Mr Brake of hypocritical voting behaviour, after he supported Clause 119 of the Government’s Care Bill.

The controversial law gives health secretary Jeremy Hunt the power to close down under-performing hospitals with minimal consultation.

Mr Brake has also voted for the Social Care Act 2012 - a bill campaigners claim poses a threat to the Epsom and St Helier sites.

The Carshalton and Wallington MP said Twitter exchanges with representatives of the group have been rudely interjected by other members, and their comments are misleading to the public.

KOSHH media officer Georgia Lewis said: “Mr Brake votes for bills that are not in the best interests of the hospital and refuses to explain himself.

“I think he is being childish and not transparent. Blocking people on Twitter is the behaviour of a little schoolgirl.”

Mr Brake said: “I cut them off on Twitter because they are misinforming the public, it really is simple as that.

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Georgia Lewis from KOSHH

“I have justified the way I have voted on numerous occasions, and I am saying now the bills I have supported do not affect the future of services at the hospital.

“KOSHH is actually a political party. They claim not be, but they are registered as one.

“If they don’t regard themselves as a political party anymore, then they need to de-register.”

What do you think about Tom Brake voting for those two bills?

Is he right or wrong to block KOSHH on Twitter? Call the news desk on 020 8722 6258, or email tom.gillespie@london.newsquest.co.uk

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8:18am Sat 16 Aug 14

BevHalstead says...

I am confused. The quotes in the article from KOSHH accuse Mr Brake of behaving childishly. Not of behaving like a "school girl".

How does a school girl behave exactly? Is it different from a school boy - part from getting better exam results?
I am confused. The quotes in the article from KOSHH accuse Mr Brake of behaving childishly. Not of behaving like a "school girl". How does a school girl behave exactly? Is it different from a school boy - part from getting better exam results? BevHalstead
  • Score: 14

10:18am Sat 16 Aug 14

Mr Flange of Wallington says...

BevHalstead wrote:
I am confused. The quotes in the article from KOSHH accuse Mr Brake of behaving childishly. Not of behaving like a "school girl".

How does a school girl behave exactly? Is it different from a school boy - part from getting better exam results?
Perhaps he lies, can't be trusted and talks about you behind your back? But that makes him a politician, not a schoolgirl, surely?
[quote][p][bold]BevHalstead[/bold] wrote: I am confused. The quotes in the article from KOSHH accuse Mr Brake of behaving childishly. Not of behaving like a "school girl". How does a school girl behave exactly? Is it different from a school boy - part from getting better exam results?[/p][/quote]Perhaps he lies, can't be trusted and talks about you behind your back? But that makes him a politician, not a schoolgirl, surely? Mr Flange of Wallington
  • Score: 0

11:44am Sat 16 Aug 14

ComeTogether says...

BevHalstead wrote:
I am confused. The quotes in the article from KOSHH accuse Mr Brake of behaving childishly. Not of behaving like a "school girl".

How does a school girl behave exactly? Is it different from a school boy - part from getting better exam results?
Shoddy reporting from the Sutton Guardian... as usual...
[quote][p][bold]BevHalstead[/bold] wrote: I am confused. The quotes in the article from KOSHH accuse Mr Brake of behaving childishly. Not of behaving like a "school girl". How does a school girl behave exactly? Is it different from a school boy - part from getting better exam results?[/p][/quote]Shoddy reporting from the Sutton Guardian... as usual... ComeTogether
  • Score: 10

11:49am Sat 16 Aug 14

ComeTogether says...

I've encountered KOSHH on my doorstep - they where incredibly rude and refused to leave me alone. I'm not surprised Brake blocked them to be honest.
I've encountered KOSHH on my doorstep - they where incredibly rude and refused to leave me alone. I'm not surprised Brake blocked them to be honest. ComeTogether
  • Score: -3

12:47pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Georgia Lewis says...

Firstly, my apologies if my "schoolgirl" comment offended anyone.

However, that is a distraction from the real issues here, one of which is why won't Tom Brake tell us when he will be present the petition that he keeps promoting, to whom it will be presented, or what he is doing with the data of those who signed the petition in good faith.

Also, he has not adequately explained his anti-NHS (and therefore anti-St Helier Hospital) voting record in the House of Commons.
Firstly, my apologies if my "schoolgirl" comment offended anyone. However, that is a distraction from the real issues here, one of which is why won't Tom Brake tell us when he will be present the petition that he keeps promoting, to whom it will be presented, or what he is doing with the data of those who signed the petition in good faith. Also, he has not adequately explained his anti-NHS (and therefore anti-St Helier Hospital) voting record in the House of Commons. Georgia Lewis
  • Score: 14

1:17pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Tiz North says...

Tom Brake is wrong to say that KOSHH is registered as a political party. The registered party was Save our St Helier Hospital Party which is a totally separate thing from KOSHH group and involved 6 of us becoming candidates in the last election. Our aim was to raise the profile of St Helier hospital which at the time was low on the other political parties priorities. Once we had registered our party, the profile of St Helier leaped to the top as all the other parties jumped on the band wagon. So we succeeded in our aim.
Tom Brake is wrong to say that KOSHH is registered as a political party. The registered party was Save our St Helier Hospital Party which is a totally separate thing from KOSHH group and involved 6 of us becoming candidates in the last election. Our aim was to raise the profile of St Helier hospital which at the time was low on the other political parties priorities. Once we had registered our party, the profile of St Helier leaped to the top as all the other parties jumped on the band wagon. So we succeeded in our aim. Tiz North
  • Score: 7

1:34pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Pippa Maslin says...

I'm a KOSHH campaigner and I am not happy with the headline of this article. Taking the 'schoolgirl' comment and using it to set the tone of the piece is just bizarre. The reporter would do better to pursue the mystery surrounding Tom Brake's petition. How many people have signed it? Are signatures still being collected? (They seem to be if you go to Brake's website). To whom is the petition going to be presented? In short, is this petition really going to make any difference to anything?! As Georgia says, people have signed it in good faith, so how it is used does matter.

Re. the matter of whether or not KOSHH is a political party, I am getting rather tired of telling people that, yes, there was a KOSHH party who stood six candidates in the local elections recently, but the KOSHH Party is a separate entity to the KOSHH campaign. I had nothing to do with the KOSHH Party and the only political party that I belong to is the National Health Action Party.

I find it increasingly difficult to see how any of the three main political parties can say, hand on heart, that they are 100% behind St Helier Hospital and are fighting hard to retain all its services. Firstly, the more I read and hear about the destruction of the NHS over the past thirty years or so, the more I see that all three parties have done their bit to undermine the founding principles of the NHS. Secondly, with the coalition's Health and Social Care Act of 2012, we have a situation where our elected representatives now have very little say in the specifics of local healthcare provision, for it is the CCGs (Clinical Commissioning Groups) who hold the bulk of the power. And thirdly, whilst all three parties continue to buy into the austerity narrative, which is ideological, not a necessity, the NHS will continue to crumble. St Helier Hospital is under threat because of cuts which we are supposed to think of as 'efficiency savings' or 'a shortfall', and until politicians realise that you just cannot tighten the purse-strings for the NHS, when the population is growing and we have more elderly people than ever, well, I feel most pessimistic about the future of our precious hospital.
I'm a KOSHH campaigner and I am not happy with the headline of this article. Taking the 'schoolgirl' comment and using it to set the tone of the piece is just bizarre. The reporter would do better to pursue the mystery surrounding Tom Brake's petition. How many people have signed it? Are signatures still being collected? (They seem to be if you go to Brake's website). To whom is the petition going to be presented? In short, is this petition really going to make any difference to anything?! As Georgia says, people have signed it in good faith, so how it is used does matter. Re. the matter of whether or not KOSHH is a political party, I am getting rather tired of telling people that, yes, there was a KOSHH party who stood six candidates in the local elections recently, but the KOSHH Party is a separate entity to the KOSHH campaign. I had nothing to do with the KOSHH Party and the only political party that I belong to is the National Health Action Party. I find it increasingly difficult to see how any of the three main political parties can say, hand on heart, that they are 100% behind St Helier Hospital and are fighting hard to retain all its services. Firstly, the more I read and hear about the destruction of the NHS over the past thirty years or so, the more I see that all three parties have done their bit to undermine the founding principles of the NHS. Secondly, with the coalition's Health and Social Care Act of 2012, we have a situation where our elected representatives now have very little say in the specifics of local healthcare provision, for it is the CCGs (Clinical Commissioning Groups) who hold the bulk of the power. And thirdly, whilst all three parties continue to buy into the austerity narrative, which is ideological, not a necessity, the NHS will continue to crumble. St Helier Hospital is under threat because of cuts which we are supposed to think of as 'efficiency savings' or 'a shortfall', and until politicians realise that you just cannot tighten the purse-strings for the NHS, when the population is growing and we have more elderly people than ever, well, I feel most pessimistic about the future of our precious hospital. Pippa Maslin
  • Score: 13

1:40pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Pippa Maslin says...

I would also add that any politician who blocks communication with a campaign group that operates in her/his constituency, is making a grave error of judgement. It shuts down debate, when debate is absolutely crucial to politics and community relations, and it also indicates that the politician is scared and/or has something to hide.
I would also add that any politician who blocks communication with a campaign group that operates in her/his constituency, is making a grave error of judgement. It shuts down debate, when debate is absolutely crucial to politics and community relations, and it also indicates that the politician is scared and/or has something to hide. Pippa Maslin
  • Score: 25

2:14pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Pippa Maslin says...

Minus 2 for both my comments, eh? Please tell me what you object to.
Minus 2 for both my comments, eh? Please tell me what you object to. Pippa Maslin
  • Score: 6

5:57pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Georgia Lewis says...

Tom Brake's petition has been online fo so long, the group to which it is addressed - South West London CCGs - now works under a new name, South West London Collaborative Commissioning. So I ask Mr Brake again, exactly who will this petition be presented to, when will this happen, where will this happen, and what has happened to the data? Is Tom Brake merely using the petition to compile an epic mailing list?

The big problem is that under th current government, the NHS has become more rather than less bureaucratic, including the introduction of CCGs, which are tremendously powerful and are making decisions about St Helier Hospital's future. Is Tom Brake willing to speak out in favour of a less bureaucratic NHS?

Furthermore, if he has read SW London Collaborative Commissioning's latest strategy document, he would know that it is all about preserving all services at St Georges in Tooting, and overburdening it further, at the expense of other hospitals in the area, such as St Helier and Epsom. Why is he not speaking out about this?

And while all this is going on, the finances of the Epsom-St Helier Trust have been referred to the Health Secretary. This would be the Health Secretary who can close a hospital in 40 days under new powers in Clause 119, for which Tom Brake voted.

These are the big issues that need to be discussed and Tom Brake blocking Twitter accounts instead of answering hard questions is completely unconstructive.
Tom Brake's petition has been online fo so long, the group to which it is addressed - South West London CCGs - now works under a new name, South West London Collaborative Commissioning. So I ask Mr Brake again, exactly who will this petition be presented to, when will this happen, where will this happen, and what has happened to the data? Is Tom Brake merely using the petition to compile an epic mailing list? The big problem is that under th current government, the NHS has become more rather than less bureaucratic, including the introduction of CCGs, which are tremendously powerful and are making decisions about St Helier Hospital's future. Is Tom Brake willing to speak out in favour of a less bureaucratic NHS? Furthermore, if he has read SW London Collaborative Commissioning's latest strategy document, he would know that it is all about preserving all services at St Georges in Tooting, and overburdening it further, at the expense of other hospitals in the area, such as St Helier and Epsom. Why is he not speaking out about this? And while all this is going on, the finances of the Epsom-St Helier Trust have been referred to the Health Secretary. This would be the Health Secretary who can close a hospital in 40 days under new powers in Clause 119, for which Tom Brake voted. These are the big issues that need to be discussed and Tom Brake blocking Twitter accounts instead of answering hard questions is completely unconstructive. Georgia Lewis
  • Score: 20

6:18pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Sarah McGuinness says...

Whether or not KOSHH is a political party is neither here nor there. Tom Brake was elected to represent the people in his constituency and by that Georgia is entitled to have her questions answered. So lets keep this simple as I, and Im sure many others in this constituency want to keep our NHS public, would like to know what he is doing with the petition, who it will be presented to and for Tom to properly explain his anti NHS voting record at The Houses Of Parliament? By deleting NHS campaign groups from his Twitter account and certainly one that represents his local hospital seems very cloak and dagger. Lets be clear just by looking at the amount of "Save St Helier" posters displayed in people's windows we know that saving St Helier and keeping our NHS public is high on voters minds.
Whether or not KOSHH is a political party is neither here nor there. Tom Brake was elected to represent the people in his constituency and by that Georgia is entitled to have her questions answered. So lets keep this simple as I, and Im sure many others in this constituency want to keep our NHS public, would like to know what he is doing with the petition, who it will be presented to and for Tom to properly explain his anti NHS voting record at The Houses Of Parliament? By deleting NHS campaign groups from his Twitter account and certainly one that represents his local hospital seems very cloak and dagger. Lets be clear just by looking at the amount of "Save St Helier" posters displayed in people's windows we know that saving St Helier and keeping our NHS public is high on voters minds. Sarah McGuinness
  • Score: 17

7:28pm Sat 16 Aug 14

quizzfizz says...

The main point here is that Tom Brake has important questions to answer - the same as Paul Burstow. How can they say they support the NHS and St Helier Hospital when they voted for the 2012 Health and Social Care Act which effectively privatises the NHS? The act was passed despite the coalition government having no democratic mandate to privatise the health service and despite both coalition parties stating in their agreement that there would be no top down reorganisation of the NHS. Since this bill was passed the NHS has started falling apart and I want to know why Tom Brake voted for it. I went to the recent question time organised by Healthwatch to try and find some answers but the whole thing was stage managed. Tom Brake says he has justified the way he's voted but I haven't heard him. I think he should openly address the concerns of his constituents instead of hiding behind Healthwatch and blocking his twitter account when asked awkward questions.
The main point here is that Tom Brake has important questions to answer - the same as Paul Burstow. How can they say they support the NHS and St Helier Hospital when they voted for the 2012 Health and Social Care Act which effectively privatises the NHS? The act was passed despite the coalition government having no democratic mandate to privatise the health service and despite both coalition parties stating in their agreement that there would be no top down reorganisation of the NHS. Since this bill was passed the NHS has started falling apart and I want to know why Tom Brake voted for it. I went to the recent question time organised by Healthwatch to try and find some answers but the whole thing was stage managed. Tom Brake says he has justified the way he's voted but I haven't heard him. I think he should openly address the concerns of his constituents instead of hiding behind Healthwatch and blocking his twitter account when asked awkward questions. quizzfizz
  • Score: 23

11:09pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Bonnie Craven says...

Hospital campaigners are right to criticise Tom Brake and Paul Burstow (co-author of the Health and Social Care Bill 2012) on their record with regards to St Helier Hospital and the NHS.

I followed Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn as a speaker at the London NHS march in 2012 and campaigned in local council elections in 2012 and 2014 to fight for St Helier Hospital.

With my colleagues in Carshalton and Wallington we presented a petition to Tom Brake in Central Lobby at the Houses of Parliament urging him to vote against Clause 119 (The Hospital Closure Clause). He immediately looked to see if he could harveat data from our petition (which we had redacted). He stood in Central Lobby and said our NHS would benefit from increased accountability and transparency as a result of this Bill and that St Helier was not at increased risk from it. This, from a man who has blocked myself and another female Labour Party campaigner, purely for challenging his PR Tweets. We, along with our Parliamentary Candidate Siobhan Tate and the excellent Niki Rosenbaum were not taken in by these claims, needless to say!

Shortly after this, Siobhan, Niki, mysepf and otelher Labour campaigners met with Andy Burnham who, as former Minister for Health, signed off the £219 million investment for our hospital. Needless to say, he backs the fight for St Helier Hospital and our NHS absolutely.

It was a fabulous to hear Andy speak at the rally following the march around Manchester to coincide with the Tory Party conference last September.

With regards to the "schoolgirl" comment, you may be amused to hear about my conversation with Health & Social Care Bill author Paul Burstow at the meeting we attemded at Carshalton Boys School a couple of years ago. During the meeting, one of the BSBV people compared our hospitals to a Waitrose avocado sandwich (how out of touch??). After the meeting I approached Burstow. I challenged him on the fact that his behaviour as a member of this government has threatened the NHS and St Helier hospital. Hansard demonstrates that he and Brake have fully supported the destruction of the NHS this Tory government have caused. I asked him that given his alleged support for our hospital in his General Election campaign for 2010, why has he let down the people of Sutton so comprehensively. He told me that as a Minister (Minister for Care) he was forbidden from asking questions in the House of Commons so could not actively challenge the government (which he is a part of) on the future of our hospital.

I then asked him why he had accepted a Ministerial position that prevented him from honouring his campaigning pledges (and we all know how much Lib Dem pledges are worth). His reply to me? "Oh, you're just being childish".

Both of Sutton's Lib Dem MPs have blocked me and another female Labour campaigner from their social media, purely for asking challenging questions.

The behaviour of both of them show them up as anything but Liberal or Democratic.

The fact it you cannot trust the Tories or Lib Dems with the NHS, and that Labour are the only Party of government who will fight to the last for our NHS and our hospitals. As the creator of the NHS Nye Bevan said "The NHS will last as long as there are folks left with the faith to fight for it". And we are fighting for it.
The bottom line is that our Lib Dems are anything but Li
Hospital campaigners are right to criticise Tom Brake and Paul Burstow (co-author of the Health and Social Care Bill 2012) on their record with regards to St Helier Hospital and the NHS. I followed Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn as a speaker at the London NHS march in 2012 and campaigned in local council elections in 2012 and 2014 to fight for St Helier Hospital. With my colleagues in Carshalton and Wallington we presented a petition to Tom Brake in Central Lobby at the Houses of Parliament urging him to vote against Clause 119 (The Hospital Closure Clause). He immediately looked to see if he could harveat data from our petition (which we had redacted). He stood in Central Lobby and said our NHS would benefit from increased accountability and transparency as a result of this Bill and that St Helier was not at increased risk from it. This, from a man who has blocked myself and another female Labour Party campaigner, purely for challenging his PR Tweets. We, along with our Parliamentary Candidate Siobhan Tate and the excellent Niki Rosenbaum were not taken in by these claims, needless to say! Shortly after this, Siobhan, Niki, mysepf and otelher Labour campaigners met with Andy Burnham who, as former Minister for Health, signed off the £219 million investment for our hospital. Needless to say, he backs the fight for St Helier Hospital and our NHS absolutely. It was a fabulous to hear Andy speak at the rally following the march around Manchester to coincide with the Tory Party conference last September. With regards to the "schoolgirl" comment, you may be amused to hear about my conversation with Health & Social Care Bill author Paul Burstow at the meeting we attemded at Carshalton Boys School a couple of years ago. During the meeting, one of the BSBV people compared our hospitals to a Waitrose avocado sandwich (how out of touch??). After the meeting I approached Burstow. I challenged him on the fact that his behaviour as a member of this government has threatened the NHS and St Helier hospital. Hansard demonstrates that he and Brake have fully supported the destruction of the NHS this Tory government have caused. I asked him that given his alleged support for our hospital in his General Election campaign for 2010, why has he let down the people of Sutton so comprehensively. He told me that as a Minister (Minister for Care) he was forbidden from asking questions in the House of Commons so could not actively challenge the government (which he is a part of) on the future of our hospital. I then asked him why he had accepted a Ministerial position that prevented him from honouring his campaigning pledges (and we all know how much Lib Dem pledges are worth). His reply to me? "Oh, you're just being childish". Both of Sutton's Lib Dem MPs have blocked me and another female Labour campaigner from their social media, purely for asking challenging questions. The behaviour of both of them show them up as anything but Liberal or Democratic. The fact it you cannot trust the Tories or Lib Dems with the NHS, and that Labour are the only Party of government who will fight to the last for our NHS and our hospitals. As the creator of the NHS Nye Bevan said "The NHS will last as long as there are folks left with the faith to fight for it". And we are fighting for it. The bottom line is that our Lib Dems are anything but Li Bonnie Craven
  • Score: 19

11:51pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Pippa Maslin says...

Extremely interesting comments from Sarah McGuinness, quizfizz, and Bonnie Craven. Thank you, folks.
Extremely interesting comments from Sarah McGuinness, quizfizz, and Bonnie Craven. Thank you, folks. Pippa Maslin
  • Score: 16

2:37am Sun 17 Aug 14

Forty_two says...

ComeTogether wrote:
I've encountered KOSHH on my doorstep - they where incredibly rude and refused to leave me alone. I'm not surprised Brake blocked them to be honest.
ComeTogether, I would really like to know more about the event you describe here. Can you tell us more? Where you live (roughly), what was said, who you met, and when for example?
[quote][p][bold]ComeTogether[/bold] wrote: I've encountered KOSHH on my doorstep - they where incredibly rude and refused to leave me alone. I'm not surprised Brake blocked them to be honest.[/p][/quote]ComeTogether, I would really like to know more about the event you describe here. Can you tell us more? Where you live (roughly), what was said, who you met, and when for example? Forty_two
  • Score: 6

11:35am Sun 17 Aug 14

ComeTogether says...

Forty_two wrote:
ComeTogether wrote:
I've encountered KOSHH on my doorstep - they where incredibly rude and refused to leave me alone. I'm not surprised Brake blocked them to be honest.
ComeTogether, I would really like to know more about the event you describe here. Can you tell us more? Where you live (roughly), what was said, who you met, and when for example?
Of course. Before the elections a lady (didn't catch the name) calling on behalf of KOSHH knocked on my door. We talked briefly, then I said I was rather busy and had to go. She put her foot in the door to prevent me from closing it - then ranted at me about how important the hospital is and how the coalition are selling off the NHS. I asked her to remove her foot from my doorway and to stop screeching at me. She did but continued to rant so I closed my door. That's it.
[quote][p][bold]Forty_two[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ComeTogether[/bold] wrote: I've encountered KOSHH on my doorstep - they where incredibly rude and refused to leave me alone. I'm not surprised Brake blocked them to be honest.[/p][/quote]ComeTogether, I would really like to know more about the event you describe here. Can you tell us more? Where you live (roughly), what was said, who you met, and when for example?[/p][/quote]Of course. Before the elections a lady (didn't catch the name) calling on behalf of KOSHH knocked on my door. We talked briefly, then I said I was rather busy and had to go. She put her foot in the door to prevent me from closing it - then ranted at me about how important the hospital is and how the coalition are selling off the NHS. I asked her to remove her foot from my doorway and to stop screeching at me. She did but continued to rant so I closed my door. That's it. ComeTogether
  • Score: -2

3:42pm Sun 17 Aug 14

LiberalsOut says...

Bustow and Brake jumped on the back of existing campaigns to save St Helier, and then go into the House of Commons lobby and vote for the legislation that gives the Health Secretary the power to close a hospital without consultation
Vote them both out next year they are a disgrace
Bustow and Brake jumped on the back of existing campaigns to save St Helier, and then go into the House of Commons lobby and vote for the legislation that gives the Health Secretary the power to close a hospital without consultation Vote them both out next year they are a disgrace LiberalsOut
  • Score: 19

3:45pm Sun 17 Aug 14

LiberalsOut says...

Bonnie Craven wrote:
Hospital campaigners are right to criticise Tom Brake and Paul Burstow (co-author of the Health and Social Care Bill 2012) on their record with regards to St Helier Hospital and the NHS.

I followed Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn as a speaker at the London NHS march in 2012 and campaigned in local council elections in 2012 and 2014 to fight for St Helier Hospital.

With my colleagues in Carshalton and Wallington we presented a petition to Tom Brake in Central Lobby at the Houses of Parliament urging him to vote against Clause 119 (The Hospital Closure Clause). He immediately looked to see if he could harveat data from our petition (which we had redacted). He stood in Central Lobby and said our NHS would benefit from increased accountability and transparency as a result of this Bill and that St Helier was not at increased risk from it. This, from a man who has blocked myself and another female Labour Party campaigner, purely for challenging his PR Tweets. We, along with our Parliamentary Candidate Siobhan Tate and the excellent Niki Rosenbaum were not taken in by these claims, needless to say!

Shortly after this, Siobhan, Niki, mysepf and otelher Labour campaigners met with Andy Burnham who, as former Minister for Health, signed off the £219 million investment for our hospital. Needless to say, he backs the fight for St Helier Hospital and our NHS absolutely.

It was a fabulous to hear Andy speak at the rally following the march around Manchester to coincide with the Tory Party conference last September.

With regards to the "schoolgirl" comment, you may be amused to hear about my conversation with Health & Social Care Bill author Paul Burstow at the meeting we attemded at Carshalton Boys School a couple of years ago. During the meeting, one of the BSBV people compared our hospitals to a Waitrose avocado sandwich (how out of touch??). After the meeting I approached Burstow. I challenged him on the fact that his behaviour as a member of this government has threatened the NHS and St Helier hospital. Hansard demonstrates that he and Brake have fully supported the destruction of the NHS this Tory government have caused. I asked him that given his alleged support for our hospital in his General Election campaign for 2010, why has he let down the people of Sutton so comprehensively. He told me that as a Minister (Minister for Care) he was forbidden from asking questions in the House of Commons so could not actively challenge the government (which he is a part of) on the future of our hospital.

I then asked him why he had accepted a Ministerial position that prevented him from honouring his campaigning pledges (and we all know how much Lib Dem pledges are worth). His reply to me? "Oh, you're just being childish".

Both of Sutton's Lib Dem MPs have blocked me and another female Labour campaigner from their social media, purely for asking challenging questions.

The behaviour of both of them show them up as anything but Liberal or Democratic.

The fact it you cannot trust the Tories or Lib Dems with the NHS, and that Labour are the only Party of government who will fight to the last for our NHS and our hospitals. As the creator of the NHS Nye Bevan said "The NHS will last as long as there are folks left with the faith to fight for it". And we are fighting for it.
The bottom line is that our Lib Dems are anything but Li
"The fact it you cannot trust the Tories or Lib Dems with the NHS, and that Labour are the only Party of government who will fight to the last for our NHS and our hospitals. As the creator of the NHS Nye Bevan said "The NHS will last as long as there are folks left with the faith to fight for it". And we are fighting for it. The bottom line is that our Lib Dems are anything but Li"

You will have to tell me the planet you live on ???
Labour has no more intention of saving the NHS that the other 2 parties
It is all words to get your vote
After 13 years of screwing this country why would anyone vote for them anyway ?
[quote][p][bold]Bonnie Craven[/bold] wrote: Hospital campaigners are right to criticise Tom Brake and Paul Burstow (co-author of the Health and Social Care Bill 2012) on their record with regards to St Helier Hospital and the NHS. I followed Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn as a speaker at the London NHS march in 2012 and campaigned in local council elections in 2012 and 2014 to fight for St Helier Hospital. With my colleagues in Carshalton and Wallington we presented a petition to Tom Brake in Central Lobby at the Houses of Parliament urging him to vote against Clause 119 (The Hospital Closure Clause). He immediately looked to see if he could harveat data from our petition (which we had redacted). He stood in Central Lobby and said our NHS would benefit from increased accountability and transparency as a result of this Bill and that St Helier was not at increased risk from it. This, from a man who has blocked myself and another female Labour Party campaigner, purely for challenging his PR Tweets. We, along with our Parliamentary Candidate Siobhan Tate and the excellent Niki Rosenbaum were not taken in by these claims, needless to say! Shortly after this, Siobhan, Niki, mysepf and otelher Labour campaigners met with Andy Burnham who, as former Minister for Health, signed off the £219 million investment for our hospital. Needless to say, he backs the fight for St Helier Hospital and our NHS absolutely. It was a fabulous to hear Andy speak at the rally following the march around Manchester to coincide with the Tory Party conference last September. With regards to the "schoolgirl" comment, you may be amused to hear about my conversation with Health & Social Care Bill author Paul Burstow at the meeting we attemded at Carshalton Boys School a couple of years ago. During the meeting, one of the BSBV people compared our hospitals to a Waitrose avocado sandwich (how out of touch??). After the meeting I approached Burstow. I challenged him on the fact that his behaviour as a member of this government has threatened the NHS and St Helier hospital. Hansard demonstrates that he and Brake have fully supported the destruction of the NHS this Tory government have caused. I asked him that given his alleged support for our hospital in his General Election campaign for 2010, why has he let down the people of Sutton so comprehensively. He told me that as a Minister (Minister for Care) he was forbidden from asking questions in the House of Commons so could not actively challenge the government (which he is a part of) on the future of our hospital. I then asked him why he had accepted a Ministerial position that prevented him from honouring his campaigning pledges (and we all know how much Lib Dem pledges are worth). His reply to me? "Oh, you're just being childish". Both of Sutton's Lib Dem MPs have blocked me and another female Labour campaigner from their social media, purely for asking challenging questions. The behaviour of both of them show them up as anything but Liberal or Democratic. The fact it you cannot trust the Tories or Lib Dems with the NHS, and that Labour are the only Party of government who will fight to the last for our NHS and our hospitals. As the creator of the NHS Nye Bevan said "The NHS will last as long as there are folks left with the faith to fight for it". And we are fighting for it. The bottom line is that our Lib Dems are anything but Li[/p][/quote]"The fact it you cannot trust the Tories or Lib Dems with the NHS, and that Labour are the only Party of government who will fight to the last for our NHS and our hospitals. As the creator of the NHS Nye Bevan said "The NHS will last as long as there are folks left with the faith to fight for it". And we are fighting for it. The bottom line is that our Lib Dems are anything but Li" You will have to tell me the planet you live on ??? Labour has no more intention of saving the NHS that the other 2 parties It is all words to get your vote After 13 years of screwing this country why would anyone vote for them anyway ? LiberalsOut
  • Score: -1

9:26pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Forty_two says...

ComeTogether wrote:
Forty_two wrote:
ComeTogether wrote:
I've encountered KOSHH on my doorstep - they where incredibly rude and refused to leave me alone. I'm not surprised Brake blocked them to be honest.
ComeTogether, I would really like to know more about the event you describe here. Can you tell us more? Where you live (roughly), what was said, who you met, and when for example?
Of course. Before the elections a lady (didn't catch the name) calling on behalf of KOSHH knocked on my door. We talked briefly, then I said I was rather busy and had to go. She put her foot in the door to prevent me from closing it - then ranted at me about how important the hospital is and how the coalition are selling off the NHS. I asked her to remove her foot from my doorway and to stop screeching at me. She did but continued to rant so I closed my door. That's it.
Firstly, may I ask if this was a person calling on behalf of KOSHH or the KOSHH Party? They are seperate entities.

Secondly, I am sure that KOSHH (or the KOSHH Party, depending on which organisation we are talking about) would like to know more about this. Perhaps you could email them?
[quote][p][bold]ComeTogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forty_two[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ComeTogether[/bold] wrote: I've encountered KOSHH on my doorstep - they where incredibly rude and refused to leave me alone. I'm not surprised Brake blocked them to be honest.[/p][/quote]ComeTogether, I would really like to know more about the event you describe here. Can you tell us more? Where you live (roughly), what was said, who you met, and when for example?[/p][/quote]Of course. Before the elections a lady (didn't catch the name) calling on behalf of KOSHH knocked on my door. We talked briefly, then I said I was rather busy and had to go. She put her foot in the door to prevent me from closing it - then ranted at me about how important the hospital is and how the coalition are selling off the NHS. I asked her to remove her foot from my doorway and to stop screeching at me. She did but continued to rant so I closed my door. That's it.[/p][/quote]Firstly, may I ask if this was a person calling on behalf of KOSHH or the KOSHH Party? They are seperate entities. Secondly, I am sure that KOSHH (or the KOSHH Party, depending on which organisation we are talking about) would like to know more about this. Perhaps you could email them? Forty_two
  • Score: 11

9:40pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Niki R says...

Tom Brake is my MP. He has igmrd my repeated requests for information on to whom and when his petition for St Helier will be delivers, and what he is doing with personal details harvested from it. He has dismissed my well founded fears for our NHS with party spin and PR. He has voted for every measure that betrays our NHS despite being asked to think carefully about the consequences. He has threatened me with legal action for telling the truth about his voting record, and denied conversations took place even through he was not present when they were held. He has sold out on every value he ever professed to hold. He has defended measures that stack the poor, the disabled, the vulnerable and those least able to fight back. The man is a disgrace. He has built a twenty year career on 'fighting' for a hospital that before now has never truly been in danger; now it is, he votes in Westminster for every measure that places it in jeopardy while simpering about how hard he is fighting for it locally. He has no conscience: he is a career politician with no loyalty to those who voted him in, or those who work at St Helier. It's about time this shyster was unmasked and unseated.
Tom Brake is my MP. He has igmrd my repeated requests for information on to whom and when his petition for St Helier will be delivers, and what he is doing with personal details harvested from it. He has dismissed my well founded fears for our NHS with party spin and PR. He has voted for every measure that betrays our NHS despite being asked to think carefully about the consequences. He has threatened me with legal action for telling the truth about his voting record, and denied conversations took place even through he was not present when they were held. He has sold out on every value he ever professed to hold. He has defended measures that stack the poor, the disabled, the vulnerable and those least able to fight back. The man is a disgrace. He has built a twenty year career on 'fighting' for a hospital that before now has never truly been in danger; now it is, he votes in Westminster for every measure that places it in jeopardy while simpering about how hard he is fighting for it locally. He has no conscience: he is a career politician with no loyalty to those who voted him in, or those who work at St Helier. It's about time this shyster was unmasked and unseated. Niki R
  • Score: 19

9:45pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Niki R says...

Oh and he ignored a request to meet with me and KOSHH campaigners when we lobbied him in Parliament and then ran away when we saw him in one of the cafés.
Oh and he ignored a request to meet with me and KOSHH campaigners when we lobbied him in Parliament and then ran away when we saw him in one of the cafés. Niki R
  • Score: 15

9:54pm Sun 17 Aug 14

ComeTogether says...

Forty_two wrote:
ComeTogether wrote:
Forty_two wrote:
ComeTogether wrote:
I've encountered KOSHH on my doorstep - they where incredibly rude and refused to leave me alone. I'm not surprised Brake blocked them to be honest.
ComeTogether, I would really like to know more about the event you describe here. Can you tell us more? Where you live (roughly), what was said, who you met, and when for example?
Of course. Before the elections a lady (didn't catch the name) calling on behalf of KOSHH knocked on my door. We talked briefly, then I said I was rather busy and had to go. She put her foot in the door to prevent me from closing it - then ranted at me about how important the hospital is and how the coalition are selling off the NHS. I asked her to remove her foot from my doorway and to stop screeching at me. She did but continued to rant so I closed my door. That's it.
Firstly, may I ask if this was a person calling on behalf of KOSHH or the KOSHH Party? They are seperate entities.

Secondly, I am sure that KOSHH (or the KOSHH Party, depending on which organisation we are talking about) would like to know more about this. Perhaps you could email them?
Ok. If I remember correctly they just said KOSHH - I assumed they were the same thing. I'll see if I can remember more details and contact them. Thanks.
[quote][p][bold]Forty_two[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ComeTogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forty_two[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ComeTogether[/bold] wrote: I've encountered KOSHH on my doorstep - they where incredibly rude and refused to leave me alone. I'm not surprised Brake blocked them to be honest.[/p][/quote]ComeTogether, I would really like to know more about the event you describe here. Can you tell us more? Where you live (roughly), what was said, who you met, and when for example?[/p][/quote]Of course. Before the elections a lady (didn't catch the name) calling on behalf of KOSHH knocked on my door. We talked briefly, then I said I was rather busy and had to go. She put her foot in the door to prevent me from closing it - then ranted at me about how important the hospital is and how the coalition are selling off the NHS. I asked her to remove her foot from my doorway and to stop screeching at me. She did but continued to rant so I closed my door. That's it.[/p][/quote]Firstly, may I ask if this was a person calling on behalf of KOSHH or the KOSHH Party? They are seperate entities. Secondly, I am sure that KOSHH (or the KOSHH Party, depending on which organisation we are talking about) would like to know more about this. Perhaps you could email them?[/p][/quote]Ok. If I remember correctly they just said KOSHH - I assumed they were the same thing. I'll see if I can remember more details and contact them. Thanks. ComeTogether
  • Score: -2

10:00pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Niki R says...

Apologies for the typos- the fingers are not entirely doing as they are told tonight... The joys of RSI!

Also, I am blocked from Brake's Facebook page for asking questions and all my (polite) comments were deleted. Open and transparent? He doesn't know the meaning of the words.
Apologies for the typos- the fingers are not entirely doing as they are told tonight... The joys of RSI! Also, I am blocked from Brake's Facebook page for asking questions and all my (polite) comments were deleted. Open and transparent? He doesn't know the meaning of the words. Niki R
  • Score: 14

10:11pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Georgia Lewis says...

The Sutton Healthwatch "public meeting" that was organised via the admin services of Tom Brake's office was evidence of the lack of transparency. The plan was for the meeting to be run like a lecture where pre-approved questions were asked by the chair of the panel. It was only after perfectly understandable interjections from the crowd about this sham that questions from the floor were very begrudgingly allowed.

After Dr Phillip Howard made some excellent points about A&E performance, such as destroying the myth that you're more likely to die on the weekend at St Helier's A&E, the meeting was abruptly called to an end.

This is despite people, myself included, still having their hands up to ask questions and despite the fact it was only 8.30pm and the meeting was advertised to finish at 9pm.
The Sutton Healthwatch "public meeting" that was organised via the admin services of Tom Brake's office was evidence of the lack of transparency. The plan was for the meeting to be run like a lecture where pre-approved questions were asked by the chair of the panel. It was only after perfectly understandable interjections from the crowd about this sham that questions from the floor were very begrudgingly allowed. After Dr Phillip Howard made some excellent points about A&E performance, such as destroying the myth that you're more likely to die on the weekend at St Helier's A&E, the meeting was abruptly called to an end. This is despite people, myself included, still having their hands up to ask questions and despite the fact it was only 8.30pm and the meeting was advertised to finish at 9pm. Georgia Lewis
  • Score: 14

1:24am Mon 18 Aug 14

Bonnie Craven says...

The so-called public meeting was nothing more than a shallow PR exercise. Not one person on the panel was prepared to properly answer a single question, and they edited the pre-submitted queries. They read their replies from scripts and yet STILL failed to answer questions or satisfy genuine concerns held. The hysterical accusations that the only dissenting voices were from Labour Party members or supporters did nothing othet than confirm our beliefs that they see a genuine threat to the Sutton seats from the Labour Party, and their attempts at using the name of the Opposition Parry as an insult misfired badly.

It was a Labour government that pledged the £219 million for updates to the hospital.It is the Tory/Lib Dem government who have placed our hospotal under the biggest threat it has ever faced.

The political records demonstrate that the NHS is not safe in Tory hands, and that only Labour will protect it. Policy on the NHS removing the market from this vital service are immediate actions that an incoming Labour government next year will implement. The choice is clear. The Lib Dems have proven that they will sell their grannies for a sniff of power and the Tories resent us all having access to what osbthe most cost efective and highly rated health service in the world. Tom Brake and Paul Burstow have betrayed us and our hospital and no amount of spin and bluster will alter this fact. They reguse to engage with constituents with valid and important questions over their actions. It is really quite comixal to watch the lengths theae two will go to to avoid challengea from theit constituents - you know, the people who pay their wages and who they are supposed to work for. The choice is clear. In 8 and a half months you can vote for candidates who will work for you. Or you can elect representatives who will either be Tories or will do the Tory bidding without care for you or me.
The so-called public meeting was nothing more than a shallow PR exercise. Not one person on the panel was prepared to properly answer a single question, and they edited the pre-submitted queries. They read their replies from scripts and yet STILL failed to answer questions or satisfy genuine concerns held. The hysterical accusations that the only dissenting voices were from Labour Party members or supporters did nothing othet than confirm our beliefs that they see a genuine threat to the Sutton seats from the Labour Party, and their attempts at using the name of the Opposition Parry as an insult misfired badly. It was a Labour government that pledged the £219 million for updates to the hospital.It is the Tory/Lib Dem government who have placed our hospotal under the biggest threat it has ever faced. The political records demonstrate that the NHS is not safe in Tory hands, and that only Labour will protect it. Policy on the NHS removing the market from this vital service are immediate actions that an incoming Labour government next year will implement. The choice is clear. The Lib Dems have proven that they will sell their grannies for a sniff of power and the Tories resent us all having access to what osbthe most cost efective and highly rated health service in the world. Tom Brake and Paul Burstow have betrayed us and our hospital and no amount of spin and bluster will alter this fact. They reguse to engage with constituents with valid and important questions over their actions. It is really quite comixal to watch the lengths theae two will go to to avoid challengea from theit constituents - you know, the people who pay their wages and who they are supposed to work for. The choice is clear. In 8 and a half months you can vote for candidates who will work for you. Or you can elect representatives who will either be Tories or will do the Tory bidding without care for you or me. Bonnie Craven
  • Score: 7

3:48pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Georgia Lewis says...

Given that Tom Brake has been confusing the KOSHH Party, which was formed for the election, and the KOSHH campaign, it is only fair that we ask if ComeTogether is a member of the Liberal Democrats. His or her rhetoric sounds very similar to that of Tom Brake's...
Given that Tom Brake has been confusing the KOSHH Party, which was formed for the election, and the KOSHH campaign, it is only fair that we ask if ComeTogether is a member of the Liberal Democrats. His or her rhetoric sounds very similar to that of Tom Brake's... Georgia Lewis
  • Score: 5

6:12pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Dawn29 says...

I don't know why so many people want to save this awful hospital. Pull it down and build a decent new modern one. Goodness knows we pay enough in taxes!! St. Helier's hospital has always been a terrible place. It is not fit for purpose, it's falling down in places as it was built on magnesium and is very dirty. I should know as after an operation there I given the gift of a very nasty infection. Also, I have also seen rats exiting the site onto the park next door!! Pull the place down!!
I don't know why so many people want to save this awful hospital. Pull it down and build a decent new modern one. Goodness knows we pay enough in taxes!! St. Helier's hospital has always been a terrible place. It is not fit for purpose, it's falling down in places as it was built on magnesium and is very dirty. I should know as after an operation there I given the gift of a very nasty infection. Also, I have also seen rats exiting the site onto the park next door!! Pull the place down!! Dawn29
  • Score: -4

6:16pm Mon 18 Aug 14

ComeTogether says...

Georgia Lewis wrote:
Given that Tom Brake has been confusing the KOSHH Party, which was formed for the election, and the KOSHH campaign, it is only fair that we ask if ComeTogether is a member of the Liberal Democrats. His or her rhetoric sounds very similar to that of Tom Brake's...
Thank you for making assumptions about my political persuasion Georgia.
I was simply telling others of an experience that I have had. I find it very rude that because I thought KOSHH and KOSHH Party are the same thing (easy mistake to make) you assume that I am a Liberal Democrat - which I am NOT.
How do you expect me to know the difference between KOSHH and KOSHH party, when both are referred to simply as KOSHH in this paper (my only source for such things).
I'd appreciated it if you withdrew that comment and apologised for it.
[quote][p][bold]Georgia Lewis[/bold] wrote: Given that Tom Brake has been confusing the KOSHH Party, which was formed for the election, and the KOSHH campaign, it is only fair that we ask if ComeTogether is a member of the Liberal Democrats. His or her rhetoric sounds very similar to that of Tom Brake's...[/p][/quote]Thank you for making assumptions about my political persuasion Georgia. I was simply telling others of an experience that I have had. I find it very rude that because I thought KOSHH and KOSHH Party are the same thing (easy mistake to make) you assume that I am a Liberal Democrat - which I am NOT. How do you expect me to know the difference between KOSHH and KOSHH party, when both are referred to simply as KOSHH in this paper (my only source for such things). I'd appreciated it if you withdrew that comment and apologised for it. ComeTogether
  • Score: -1

6:53pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Michael Pantlin says...

Mr Flange of Wallington wrote:
BevHalstead wrote:
I am confused. The quotes in the article from KOSHH accuse Mr Brake of behaving childishly. Not of behaving like a "school girl".

How does a school girl behave exactly? Is it different from a school boy - part from getting better exam results?
Perhaps he lies, can't be trusted and talks about you behind your back? But that makes him a politician, not a schoolgirl, surely?
He's a professional politician who can always conjure an obscure distractive feature to attempt to justify his actions which some consider treachery.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Flange of Wallington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BevHalstead[/bold] wrote: I am confused. The quotes in the article from KOSHH accuse Mr Brake of behaving childishly. Not of behaving like a "school girl". How does a school girl behave exactly? Is it different from a school boy - part from getting better exam results?[/p][/quote]Perhaps he lies, can't be trusted and talks about you behind your back? But that makes him a politician, not a schoolgirl, surely?[/p][/quote]He's a professional politician who can always conjure an obscure distractive feature to attempt to justify his actions which some consider treachery. Michael Pantlin
  • Score: 9

6:53pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Michael Pantlin says...

Mr Flange of Wallington wrote:
BevHalstead wrote:
I am confused. The quotes in the article from KOSHH accuse Mr Brake of behaving childishly. Not of behaving like a "school girl".

How does a school girl behave exactly? Is it different from a school boy - part from getting better exam results?
Perhaps he lies, can't be trusted and talks about you behind your back? But that makes him a politician, not a schoolgirl, surely?
He's a professional politician who can always conjure an obscure distractive feature to attempt to justify his actions which some consider treachery.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Flange of Wallington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BevHalstead[/bold] wrote: I am confused. The quotes in the article from KOSHH accuse Mr Brake of behaving childishly. Not of behaving like a "school girl". How does a school girl behave exactly? Is it different from a school boy - part from getting better exam results?[/p][/quote]Perhaps he lies, can't be trusted and talks about you behind your back? But that makes him a politician, not a schoolgirl, surely?[/p][/quote]He's a professional politician who can always conjure an obscure distractive feature to attempt to justify his actions which some consider treachery. Michael Pantlin
  • Score: 6

12:09am Tue 19 Aug 14

imasumak says...

" Mr Brake said: “I cut them off on Twitter because they are misinforming the public, it really is simple as that."

POLITICAL CENSORSHIP! He cut them off to prevent the Truth from being told. It is as simple at "THAT!"
" Mr Brake said: “I cut them off on Twitter because they are misinforming the public, it really is simple as that." POLITICAL CENSORSHIP! He cut them off to prevent the Truth from being told. It is as simple at "THAT!" imasumak
  • Score: 10

12:57am Tue 19 Aug 14

Georgia Lewis says...

ComeTogether wrote:
Georgia Lewis wrote:
Given that Tom Brake has been confusing the KOSHH Party, which was formed for the election, and the KOSHH campaign, it is only fair that we ask if ComeTogether is a member of the Liberal Democrats. His or her rhetoric sounds very similar to that of Tom Brake's...
Thank you for making assumptions about my political persuasion Georgia.
I was simply telling others of an experience that I have had. I find it very rude that because I thought KOSHH and KOSHH Party are the same thing (easy mistake to make) you assume that I am a Liberal Democrat - which I am NOT.
How do you expect me to know the difference between KOSHH and KOSHH party, when both are referred to simply as KOSHH in this paper (my only source for such things).
I'd appreciated it if you withdrew that comment and apologised for it.
ComeTogether, it was a fair question given that you are using the same "I'm confused about the KOSHH party and KOSHH campaign" rhetoric that Tom Brake is using to avoid answering questions about his voting record and what exactly he is doing with his outdated online petition. Tom Brake stacked the farcical Sutton Healthwatch meeting with his supporters so it would not surprise me in the least if he tried to do something similar in this forum.

I am sorry if you are offended by the question but I am certainly not sorry that I asked it because transparency is important. Thank you for answering it.

To clarify again, the KOSHH Party was set up separately to the KOSHH campaign for the local election. It had a separate Twitter account @KOSHHParty. This is no longer updated but has been left open as a record of the interesting discussions that happened on that account and as a record of events throughout the course of the election campaign.

The KOSHH Party had separate finances to the KOSHH campaign and the people involved in the party worked separately from the rest of the campaign in the lead-up to the election.

As far as I am aware, there are no plans for the party to be active in the 2015 elections - although given that many people are disillusioned with all major parties in regard to the NHS, I would not blame the six candidates if they did decide to run again.
[quote][p][bold]ComeTogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgia Lewis[/bold] wrote: Given that Tom Brake has been confusing the KOSHH Party, which was formed for the election, and the KOSHH campaign, it is only fair that we ask if ComeTogether is a member of the Liberal Democrats. His or her rhetoric sounds very similar to that of Tom Brake's...[/p][/quote]Thank you for making assumptions about my political persuasion Georgia. I was simply telling others of an experience that I have had. I find it very rude that because I thought KOSHH and KOSHH Party are the same thing (easy mistake to make) you assume that I am a Liberal Democrat - which I am NOT. How do you expect me to know the difference between KOSHH and KOSHH party, when both are referred to simply as KOSHH in this paper (my only source for such things). I'd appreciated it if you withdrew that comment and apologised for it.[/p][/quote]ComeTogether, it was a fair question given that you are using the same "I'm confused about the KOSHH party and KOSHH campaign" rhetoric that Tom Brake is using to avoid answering questions about his voting record and what exactly he is doing with his outdated online petition. Tom Brake stacked the farcical Sutton Healthwatch meeting with his supporters so it would not surprise me in the least if he tried to do something similar in this forum. I am sorry if you are offended by the question but I am certainly not sorry that I asked it because transparency is important. Thank you for answering it. To clarify again, the KOSHH Party was set up separately to the KOSHH campaign for the local election. It had a separate Twitter account @KOSHHParty. This is no longer updated but has been left open as a record of the interesting discussions that happened on that account and as a record of events throughout the course of the election campaign. The KOSHH Party had separate finances to the KOSHH campaign and the people involved in the party worked separately from the rest of the campaign in the lead-up to the election. As far as I am aware, there are no plans for the party to be active in the 2015 elections - although given that many people are disillusioned with all major parties in regard to the NHS, I would not blame the six candidates if they did decide to run again. Georgia Lewis
  • Score: 6

1:04am Tue 19 Aug 14

Georgia Lewis says...

Dawn29 wrote:
I don't know why so many people want to save this awful hospital. Pull it down and build a decent new modern one. Goodness knows we pay enough in taxes!! St. Helier's hospital has always been a terrible place. It is not fit for purpose, it's falling down in places as it was built on magnesium and is very dirty. I should know as after an operation there I given the gift of a very nasty infection. Also, I have also seen rats exiting the site onto the park next door!! Pull the place down!!
Dawn29, I'm not sure if you remember but there was a big banner on the front of St Helier Hospital announcing a £212m investment in the site. However, this is now off the table and a more modest £90m upgrade is proposed. We do indeed pay enough in taxes but it is a shame that many corporations do not because then there'd be plenty of money for the NHS.

I am sorry you had a bad experience there. I trust you made a complaint via the proper channels to ensure improvements could be made. Of course, if the infection was the result of the outsourced cleaners the hospital now uses thanks to ongoing privatisation, you should support the KOSHH campaign as one of the things we speak out against is farming out essential NHS services to private, for-profit companies.

Also, if you were in an ambulance or in labour and St Helier was the nearest hospital, you might appreciate the refurbished A&E and maternity department as it would save the trip to Tooting, Croydon or Kingston.
[quote][p][bold]Dawn29[/bold] wrote: I don't know why so many people want to save this awful hospital. Pull it down and build a decent new modern one. Goodness knows we pay enough in taxes!! St. Helier's hospital has always been a terrible place. It is not fit for purpose, it's falling down in places as it was built on magnesium and is very dirty. I should know as after an operation there I given the gift of a very nasty infection. Also, I have also seen rats exiting the site onto the park next door!! Pull the place down!![/p][/quote]Dawn29, I'm not sure if you remember but there was a big banner on the front of St Helier Hospital announcing a £212m investment in the site. However, this is now off the table and a more modest £90m upgrade is proposed. We do indeed pay enough in taxes but it is a shame that many corporations do not because then there'd be plenty of money for the NHS. I am sorry you had a bad experience there. I trust you made a complaint via the proper channels to ensure improvements could be made. Of course, if the infection was the result of the outsourced cleaners the hospital now uses thanks to ongoing privatisation, you should support the KOSHH campaign as one of the things we speak out against is farming out essential NHS services to private, for-profit companies. Also, if you were in an ambulance or in labour and St Helier was the nearest hospital, you might appreciate the refurbished A&E and maternity department as it would save the trip to Tooting, Croydon or Kingston. Georgia Lewis
  • Score: 5

7:17am Tue 19 Aug 14

Malcolm P Armsteen says...

Tom Brake blocked me on Twitter and Facebook because I asked him questions - no more. He is my elected MP. To block a constituent is disgraceful, and really shows the quality of people we are dealing with in the Lib Dems.
Tom Brake blocked me on Twitter and Facebook because I asked him questions - no more. He is my elected MP. To block a constituent is disgraceful, and really shows the quality of people we are dealing with in the Lib Dems. Malcolm P Armsteen
  • Score: 8

7:51am Tue 19 Aug 14

ComeTogether says...

Georgia Lewis wrote:
ComeTogether wrote:
Georgia Lewis wrote:
Given that Tom Brake has been confusing the KOSHH Party, which was formed for the election, and the KOSHH campaign, it is only fair that we ask if ComeTogether is a member of the Liberal Democrats. His or her rhetoric sounds very similar to that of Tom Brake's...
Thank you for making assumptions about my political persuasion Georgia.
I was simply telling others of an experience that I have had. I find it very rude that because I thought KOSHH and KOSHH Party are the same thing (easy mistake to make) you assume that I am a Liberal Democrat - which I am NOT.
How do you expect me to know the difference between KOSHH and KOSHH party, when both are referred to simply as KOSHH in this paper (my only source for such things).
I'd appreciated it if you withdrew that comment and apologised for it.
ComeTogether, it was a fair question given that you are using the same "I'm confused about the KOSHH party and KOSHH campaign" rhetoric that Tom Brake is using to avoid answering questions about his voting record and what exactly he is doing with his outdated online petition. Tom Brake stacked the farcical Sutton Healthwatch meeting with his supporters so it would not surprise me in the least if he tried to do something similar in this forum.

I am sorry if you are offended by the question but I am certainly not sorry that I asked it because transparency is important. Thank you for answering it.

To clarify again, the KOSHH Party was set up separately to the KOSHH campaign for the local election. It had a separate Twitter account @KOSHHParty. This is no longer updated but has been left open as a record of the interesting discussions that happened on that account and as a record of events throughout the course of the election campaign.

The KOSHH Party had separate finances to the KOSHH campaign and the people involved in the party worked separately from the rest of the campaign in the lead-up to the election.

As far as I am aware, there are no plans for the party to be active in the 2015 elections - although given that many people are disillusioned with all major parties in regard to the NHS, I would not blame the six candidates if they did decide to run again.
Thank you Georgia. And thank you for clarifying the difference between the two - it really helps because I can't think of where else to look for this information. And to clarify I'm just a resident of Sutton who wants to express their views on local stories/issues
[quote][p][bold]Georgia Lewis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ComeTogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgia Lewis[/bold] wrote: Given that Tom Brake has been confusing the KOSHH Party, which was formed for the election, and the KOSHH campaign, it is only fair that we ask if ComeTogether is a member of the Liberal Democrats. His or her rhetoric sounds very similar to that of Tom Brake's...[/p][/quote]Thank you for making assumptions about my political persuasion Georgia. I was simply telling others of an experience that I have had. I find it very rude that because I thought KOSHH and KOSHH Party are the same thing (easy mistake to make) you assume that I am a Liberal Democrat - which I am NOT. How do you expect me to know the difference between KOSHH and KOSHH party, when both are referred to simply as KOSHH in this paper (my only source for such things). I'd appreciated it if you withdrew that comment and apologised for it.[/p][/quote]ComeTogether, it was a fair question given that you are using the same "I'm confused about the KOSHH party and KOSHH campaign" rhetoric that Tom Brake is using to avoid answering questions about his voting record and what exactly he is doing with his outdated online petition. Tom Brake stacked the farcical Sutton Healthwatch meeting with his supporters so it would not surprise me in the least if he tried to do something similar in this forum. I am sorry if you are offended by the question but I am certainly not sorry that I asked it because transparency is important. Thank you for answering it. To clarify again, the KOSHH Party was set up separately to the KOSHH campaign for the local election. It had a separate Twitter account @KOSHHParty. This is no longer updated but has been left open as a record of the interesting discussions that happened on that account and as a record of events throughout the course of the election campaign. The KOSHH Party had separate finances to the KOSHH campaign and the people involved in the party worked separately from the rest of the campaign in the lead-up to the election. As far as I am aware, there are no plans for the party to be active in the 2015 elections - although given that many people are disillusioned with all major parties in regard to the NHS, I would not blame the six candidates if they did decide to run again.[/p][/quote]Thank you Georgia. And thank you for clarifying the difference between the two - it really helps because I can't think of where else to look for this information. And to clarify I'm just a resident of Sutton who wants to express their views on local stories/issues ComeTogether
  • Score: 7

11:37am Tue 19 Aug 14

Georgia Lewis says...

My pleasure. Happy to explain things, especially when a certain MP is muddying the waters. Now if Mr Brake would like to join in this discussion and answer the questions that the @Save_St_Helier Twitter account asked before he blocked it, that would be much appreciated.

Mr Brake, here you go (plus a few extra for good measure...):

1. When will you be presenting your online petition?
2. To whom will it be presented?
3. Where will the handover take place?
4. What are you doing with the data you have gathered from people who signed in good faith?
5. How can you justify your support for St Helier keeping all its services when you have voted for the Health and Social Care Act 2012 and Clause 119 which gives Jeremy Hunt the power to close a hospital in 40 days?
6. Why have you not spoken out about the top-down reorganisation of the NHS, which was a broken election promise by David Cameron?
7. Do you trust Jeremy Hunt with the NHS? If so, why?
8. Do you plan to question the appointment of Richard Noble to the Epsom-St Helier board in light of the fact that he works for Nomura, which has interests in the business of healthcare and that "privatisation" is one of his specialties?
9. Given the dire financial situation at St Georges could adversely impact on Epsom and St Helier hospitals, are you prepared to speak out and ask hard questions of SW London Collaborative Commissioning?
10. Have you read SW London Collaborative Commissioning's strategy document and, if so, why would that lead you to believe that St Helier's services are safe?

We're waiting, Mr Brake. Come on, show us you are not afraid of answering the tough questions!
My pleasure. Happy to explain things, especially when a certain MP is muddying the waters. Now if Mr Brake would like to join in this discussion and answer the questions that the @Save_St_Helier Twitter account asked before he blocked it, that would be much appreciated. Mr Brake, here you go (plus a few extra for good measure...): 1. When will you be presenting your online petition? 2. To whom will it be presented? 3. Where will the handover take place? 4. What are you doing with the data you have gathered from people who signed in good faith? 5. How can you justify your support for St Helier keeping all its services when you have voted for the Health and Social Care Act 2012 and Clause 119 which gives Jeremy Hunt the power to close a hospital in 40 days? 6. Why have you not spoken out about the top-down reorganisation of the NHS, which was a broken election promise by David Cameron? 7. Do you trust Jeremy Hunt with the NHS? If so, why? 8. Do you plan to question the appointment of Richard Noble to the Epsom-St Helier board in light of the fact that he works for Nomura, which has interests in the business of healthcare and that "privatisation" is one of his specialties? 9. Given the dire financial situation at St Georges could adversely impact on Epsom and St Helier hospitals, are you prepared to speak out and ask hard questions of SW London Collaborative Commissioning? 10. Have you read SW London Collaborative Commissioning's strategy document and, if so, why would that lead you to believe that St Helier's services are safe? We're waiting, Mr Brake. Come on, show us you are not afraid of answering the tough questions! Georgia Lewis
  • Score: 10

3:02pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Dawn29 says...

Georgia Lewis wrote:
Dawn29 wrote:
I don't know why so many people want to save this awful hospital. Pull it down and build a decent new modern one. Goodness knows we pay enough in taxes!! St. Helier's hospital has always been a terrible place. It is not fit for purpose, it's falling down in places as it was built on magnesium and is very dirty. I should know as after an operation there I given the gift of a very nasty infection. Also, I have also seen rats exiting the site onto the park next door!! Pull the place down!!
Dawn29, I'm not sure if you remember but there was a big banner on the front of St Helier Hospital announcing a £212m investment in the site. However, this is now off the table and a more modest £90m upgrade is proposed. We do indeed pay enough in taxes but it is a shame that many corporations do not because then there'd be plenty of money for the NHS.

I am sorry you had a bad experience there. I trust you made a complaint via the proper channels to ensure improvements could be made. Of course, if the infection was the result of the outsourced cleaners the hospital now uses thanks to ongoing privatisation, you should support the KOSHH campaign as one of the things we speak out against is farming out essential NHS services to private, for-profit companies.

Also, if you were in an ambulance or in labour and St Helier was the nearest hospital, you might appreciate the refurbished A&E and maternity department as it would save the trip to Tooting, Croydon or Kingston.
£212 million!!! Another waste of money. Yes a letter of complaint was written at the time but lost in the system somewhere I expect. I am sure that letters of complaint are "lost" all the time. I am also sure that I am not the only one to leave the hospital with an infection either. This hospital was found to be one of the worst in the country after recent inspections for goodness sake! Pull the place down, build badly needed social housing and then build a new CLEAN hospital on the large Sutton hospital site. That's my opinion. It's useless trying to rebuild a dirty crumbling mess.
[quote][p][bold]Georgia Lewis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dawn29[/bold] wrote: I don't know why so many people want to save this awful hospital. Pull it down and build a decent new modern one. Goodness knows we pay enough in taxes!! St. Helier's hospital has always been a terrible place. It is not fit for purpose, it's falling down in places as it was built on magnesium and is very dirty. I should know as after an operation there I given the gift of a very nasty infection. Also, I have also seen rats exiting the site onto the park next door!! Pull the place down!![/p][/quote]Dawn29, I'm not sure if you remember but there was a big banner on the front of St Helier Hospital announcing a £212m investment in the site. However, this is now off the table and a more modest £90m upgrade is proposed. We do indeed pay enough in taxes but it is a shame that many corporations do not because then there'd be plenty of money for the NHS. I am sorry you had a bad experience there. I trust you made a complaint via the proper channels to ensure improvements could be made. Of course, if the infection was the result of the outsourced cleaners the hospital now uses thanks to ongoing privatisation, you should support the KOSHH campaign as one of the things we speak out against is farming out essential NHS services to private, for-profit companies. Also, if you were in an ambulance or in labour and St Helier was the nearest hospital, you might appreciate the refurbished A&E and maternity department as it would save the trip to Tooting, Croydon or Kingston.[/p][/quote]£212 million!!! Another waste of money. Yes a letter of complaint was written at the time but lost in the system somewhere I expect. I am sure that letters of complaint are "lost" all the time. I am also sure that I am not the only one to leave the hospital with an infection either. This hospital was found to be one of the worst in the country after recent inspections for goodness sake! Pull the place down, build badly needed social housing and then build a new CLEAN hospital on the large Sutton hospital site. That's my opinion. It's useless trying to rebuild a dirty crumbling mess. Dawn29
  • Score: -6

3:04pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Dawn29 says...

Georgia Lewis wrote:
Dawn29 wrote:
I don't know why so many people want to save this awful hospital. Pull it down and build a decent new modern one. Goodness knows we pay enough in taxes!! St. Helier's hospital has always been a terrible place. It is not fit for purpose, it's falling down in places as it was built on magnesium and is very dirty. I should know as after an operation there I given the gift of a very nasty infection. Also, I have also seen rats exiting the site onto the park next door!! Pull the place down!!
Dawn29, I'm not sure if you remember but there was a big banner on the front of St Helier Hospital announcing a £212m investment in the site. However, this is now off the table and a more modest £90m upgrade is proposed. We do indeed pay enough in taxes but it is a shame that many corporations do not because then there'd be plenty of money for the NHS.

I am sorry you had a bad experience there. I trust you made a complaint via the proper channels to ensure improvements could be made. Of course, if the infection was the result of the outsourced cleaners the hospital now uses thanks to ongoing privatisation, you should support the KOSHH campaign as one of the things we speak out against is farming out essential NHS services to private, for-profit companies.

Also, if you were in an ambulance or in labour and St Helier was the nearest hospital, you might appreciate the refurbished A&E and maternity department as it would save the trip to Tooting, Croydon or Kingston.
£212 million!!! Another waste of money. Yes a letter of complaint was written at the time but lost in the system somewhere I expect. I am sure that letters of complaint are "lost" all the time. I am also sure that I am not the only one to leave the hospital with an infection either. This hospital was found to be one of the worst in the country after recent inspections for goodness sake! Pull the place down, build badly needed social housing and then build a new CLEAN hospital on the large Sutton hospital site. That's my opinion. It's useless trying to rebuild a dirty crumbling mess.
[quote][p][bold]Georgia Lewis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dawn29[/bold] wrote: I don't know why so many people want to save this awful hospital. Pull it down and build a decent new modern one. Goodness knows we pay enough in taxes!! St. Helier's hospital has always been a terrible place. It is not fit for purpose, it's falling down in places as it was built on magnesium and is very dirty. I should know as after an operation there I given the gift of a very nasty infection. Also, I have also seen rats exiting the site onto the park next door!! Pull the place down!![/p][/quote]Dawn29, I'm not sure if you remember but there was a big banner on the front of St Helier Hospital announcing a £212m investment in the site. However, this is now off the table and a more modest £90m upgrade is proposed. We do indeed pay enough in taxes but it is a shame that many corporations do not because then there'd be plenty of money for the NHS. I am sorry you had a bad experience there. I trust you made a complaint via the proper channels to ensure improvements could be made. Of course, if the infection was the result of the outsourced cleaners the hospital now uses thanks to ongoing privatisation, you should support the KOSHH campaign as one of the things we speak out against is farming out essential NHS services to private, for-profit companies. Also, if you were in an ambulance or in labour and St Helier was the nearest hospital, you might appreciate the refurbished A&E and maternity department as it would save the trip to Tooting, Croydon or Kingston.[/p][/quote]£212 million!!! Another waste of money. Yes a letter of complaint was written at the time but lost in the system somewhere I expect. I am sure that letters of complaint are "lost" all the time. I am also sure that I am not the only one to leave the hospital with an infection either. This hospital was found to be one of the worst in the country after recent inspections for goodness sake! Pull the place down, build badly needed social housing and then build a new CLEAN hospital on the large Sutton hospital site. That's my opinion. It's useless trying to rebuild a dirty crumbling mess. Dawn29
  • Score: -4

3:04pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Dawn29 says...

Georgia Lewis wrote:
Dawn29 wrote:
I don't know why so many people want to save this awful hospital. Pull it down and build a decent new modern one. Goodness knows we pay enough in taxes!! St. Helier's hospital has always been a terrible place. It is not fit for purpose, it's falling down in places as it was built on magnesium and is very dirty. I should know as after an operation there I given the gift of a very nasty infection. Also, I have also seen rats exiting the site onto the park next door!! Pull the place down!!
Dawn29, I'm not sure if you remember but there was a big banner on the front of St Helier Hospital announcing a £212m investment in the site. However, this is now off the table and a more modest £90m upgrade is proposed. We do indeed pay enough in taxes but it is a shame that many corporations do not because then there'd be plenty of money for the NHS.

I am sorry you had a bad experience there. I trust you made a complaint via the proper channels to ensure improvements could be made. Of course, if the infection was the result of the outsourced cleaners the hospital now uses thanks to ongoing privatisation, you should support the KOSHH campaign as one of the things we speak out against is farming out essential NHS services to private, for-profit companies.

Also, if you were in an ambulance or in labour and St Helier was the nearest hospital, you might appreciate the refurbished A&E and maternity department as it would save the trip to Tooting, Croydon or Kingston.
£212 million!!! Another waste of money. Yes a letter of complaint was written at the time but lost in the system somewhere I expect. I am sure that letters of complaint are "lost" all the time. I am also sure that I am not the only one to leave the hospital with an infection either. This hospital was found to be one of the worst in the country after recent inspections for goodness sake! Pull the place down, build badly needed social housing and then build a new CLEAN hospital on the large Sutton hospital site. That's my opinion. It's useless trying to rebuild a dirty crumbling mess.
[quote][p][bold]Georgia Lewis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dawn29[/bold] wrote: I don't know why so many people want to save this awful hospital. Pull it down and build a decent new modern one. Goodness knows we pay enough in taxes!! St. Helier's hospital has always been a terrible place. It is not fit for purpose, it's falling down in places as it was built on magnesium and is very dirty. I should know as after an operation there I given the gift of a very nasty infection. Also, I have also seen rats exiting the site onto the park next door!! Pull the place down!![/p][/quote]Dawn29, I'm not sure if you remember but there was a big banner on the front of St Helier Hospital announcing a £212m investment in the site. However, this is now off the table and a more modest £90m upgrade is proposed. We do indeed pay enough in taxes but it is a shame that many corporations do not because then there'd be plenty of money for the NHS. I am sorry you had a bad experience there. I trust you made a complaint via the proper channels to ensure improvements could be made. Of course, if the infection was the result of the outsourced cleaners the hospital now uses thanks to ongoing privatisation, you should support the KOSHH campaign as one of the things we speak out against is farming out essential NHS services to private, for-profit companies. Also, if you were in an ambulance or in labour and St Helier was the nearest hospital, you might appreciate the refurbished A&E and maternity department as it would save the trip to Tooting, Croydon or Kingston.[/p][/quote]£212 million!!! Another waste of money. Yes a letter of complaint was written at the time but lost in the system somewhere I expect. I am sure that letters of complaint are "lost" all the time. I am also sure that I am not the only one to leave the hospital with an infection either. This hospital was found to be one of the worst in the country after recent inspections for goodness sake! Pull the place down, build badly needed social housing and then build a new CLEAN hospital on the large Sutton hospital site. That's my opinion. It's useless trying to rebuild a dirty crumbling mess. Dawn29
  • Score: -3

3:36pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Georgia Lewis says...

Dawn29 wrote:
Georgia Lewis wrote:
Dawn29 wrote:
I don't know why so many people want to save this awful hospital. Pull it down and build a decent new modern one. Goodness knows we pay enough in taxes!! St. Helier's hospital has always been a terrible place. It is not fit for purpose, it's falling down in places as it was built on magnesium and is very dirty. I should know as after an operation there I given the gift of a very nasty infection. Also, I have also seen rats exiting the site onto the park next door!! Pull the place down!!
Dawn29, I'm not sure if you remember but there was a big banner on the front of St Helier Hospital announcing a £212m investment in the site. However, this is now off the table and a more modest £90m upgrade is proposed. We do indeed pay enough in taxes but it is a shame that many corporations do not because then there'd be plenty of money for the NHS.

I am sorry you had a bad experience there. I trust you made a complaint via the proper channels to ensure improvements could be made. Of course, if the infection was the result of the outsourced cleaners the hospital now uses thanks to ongoing privatisation, you should support the KOSHH campaign as one of the things we speak out against is farming out essential NHS services to private, for-profit companies.

Also, if you were in an ambulance or in labour and St Helier was the nearest hospital, you might appreciate the refurbished A&E and maternity department as it would save the trip to Tooting, Croydon or Kingston.
£212 million!!! Another waste of money. Yes a letter of complaint was written at the time but lost in the system somewhere I expect. I am sure that letters of complaint are "lost" all the time. I am also sure that I am not the only one to leave the hospital with an infection either. This hospital was found to be one of the worst in the country after recent inspections for goodness sake! Pull the place down, build badly needed social housing and then build a new CLEAN hospital on the large Sutton hospital site. That's my opinion. It's useless trying to rebuild a dirty crumbling mess.
Did you not follow the letter up with a phone call, Dawn29? Here is the number - 020 8296 2508 - why don't you give them a call and let us know how you get on?

As I already said, it is worth getting angry about the outsourcing of hospital cleaning across the whole NHS, including St Helier, to the private sector.

Also, what recent inspections are you referring to? St Helier Hospital has been performing well according to a number of different standards. Can you please provide evidence of your claims?

As for building a new hospital from scratch on the Sutton site, that would cost more than £212m. Given that millions have already been spent refurbishing St Helier's maternity and A&E departments, it would be wasteful to tear it all down. If that area lost A&E and maternity from the St Helier site, the implications do not bear thinking about.

It is expected that the Sutton hospital site will be sold off, but it is unclear when this will happen or what will happen to the site when it is sold.
[quote][p][bold]Dawn29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgia Lewis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dawn29[/bold] wrote: I don't know why so many people want to save this awful hospital. Pull it down and build a decent new modern one. Goodness knows we pay enough in taxes!! St. Helier's hospital has always been a terrible place. It is not fit for purpose, it's falling down in places as it was built on magnesium and is very dirty. I should know as after an operation there I given the gift of a very nasty infection. Also, I have also seen rats exiting the site onto the park next door!! Pull the place down!![/p][/quote]Dawn29, I'm not sure if you remember but there was a big banner on the front of St Helier Hospital announcing a £212m investment in the site. However, this is now off the table and a more modest £90m upgrade is proposed. We do indeed pay enough in taxes but it is a shame that many corporations do not because then there'd be plenty of money for the NHS. I am sorry you had a bad experience there. I trust you made a complaint via the proper channels to ensure improvements could be made. Of course, if the infection was the result of the outsourced cleaners the hospital now uses thanks to ongoing privatisation, you should support the KOSHH campaign as one of the things we speak out against is farming out essential NHS services to private, for-profit companies. Also, if you were in an ambulance or in labour and St Helier was the nearest hospital, you might appreciate the refurbished A&E and maternity department as it would save the trip to Tooting, Croydon or Kingston.[/p][/quote]£212 million!!! Another waste of money. Yes a letter of complaint was written at the time but lost in the system somewhere I expect. I am sure that letters of complaint are "lost" all the time. I am also sure that I am not the only one to leave the hospital with an infection either. This hospital was found to be one of the worst in the country after recent inspections for goodness sake! Pull the place down, build badly needed social housing and then build a new CLEAN hospital on the large Sutton hospital site. That's my opinion. It's useless trying to rebuild a dirty crumbling mess.[/p][/quote]Did you not follow the letter up with a phone call, Dawn29? Here is the number - 020 8296 2508 - why don't you give them a call and let us know how you get on? As I already said, it is worth getting angry about the outsourcing of hospital cleaning across the whole NHS, including St Helier, to the private sector. Also, what recent inspections are you referring to? St Helier Hospital has been performing well according to a number of different standards. Can you please provide evidence of your claims? As for building a new hospital from scratch on the Sutton site, that would cost more than £212m. Given that millions have already been spent refurbishing St Helier's maternity and A&E departments, it would be wasteful to tear it all down. If that area lost A&E and maternity from the St Helier site, the implications do not bear thinking about. It is expected that the Sutton hospital site will be sold off, but it is unclear when this will happen or what will happen to the site when it is sold. Georgia Lewis
  • Score: 4

10:47pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Dawn29 says...

I am confused please advise me ... why would you want to have a baby or be treated in a dirty stinking hole like St.Heller? I would rather drive to a clean hospital even if it was a few miles away. I have seen RATS in the hospital area!!!!!! Please this place Isn't worth saving. It was supposed to be pulled down forty years ago. It is a wreak.
I am confused please advise me ... why would you want to have a baby or be treated in a dirty stinking hole like St.Heller? I would rather drive to a clean hospital even if it was a few miles away. I have seen RATS in the hospital area!!!!!! Please this place Isn't worth saving. It was supposed to be pulled down forty years ago. It is a wreak. Dawn29
  • Score: -3

10:52pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Dawn29 says...

And he's I agree millions of pounds have been wasted already on this dump. Why waste more? If people really knew how terrible this hospital is they wouldn't't waste another penny.
And he's I agree millions of pounds have been wasted already on this dump. Why waste more? If people really knew how terrible this hospital is they wouldn't't waste another penny. Dawn29
  • Score: -4

11:15pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Dawn29 says...

My option most strongly is that the "dirty contaminated unsanitary vermin riden place" called St.Heller be leveled to ground and that no more money especially in the excess of millions of pounds be wasted on it. Millions have already been spent and no difference can be seen. In a recent inspection St.Heller was ranked to be one of the worst in the country. I can not see why anyone would want to be treated in such a dirty place much less have a baby there!
My option most strongly is that the "dirty contaminated unsanitary vermin riden place" called St.Heller be leveled to ground and that no more money especially in the excess of millions of pounds be wasted on it. Millions have already been spent and no difference can be seen. In a recent inspection St.Heller was ranked to be one of the worst in the country. I can not see why anyone would want to be treated in such a dirty place much less have a baby there! Dawn29
  • Score: -4

11:20am Wed 20 Aug 14

Pippa Maslin says...

Dawn29, I am saddened to hear that you have such a low opinion of St Helier Hospital. When I have been campaigning for KOSHH (Keep Our St Helier Hospital), I have encountered a handful of other people who feel the same as you and it is difficult to know what to say when people recount their bad experiences of the place. I am fortunate that, when my Nana and Grandad had spells in there and died in there, the care that they received was, by and large, excellent. Likewise, my Great Aunt now goes there regularly and is really pleased with the treatment that she gets.
Dawn29, I am saddened to hear that you have such a low opinion of St Helier Hospital. When I have been campaigning for KOSHH (Keep Our St Helier Hospital), I have encountered a handful of other people who feel the same as you and it is difficult to know what to say when people recount their bad experiences of the place. I am fortunate that, when my Nana and Grandad had spells in there and died in there, the care that they received was, by and large, excellent. Likewise, my Great Aunt now goes there regularly and is really pleased with the treatment that she gets. Pippa Maslin
  • Score: 4

11:24am Wed 20 Aug 14

Pippa Maslin says...

I really must challenge the claim that a recent inspection revealed the hospital to be one of the worst in the country. I have read and heard exactly the opposite. If there are any St Helier staff out there reading this, maybe you can step in with some relevant information?
I really must challenge the claim that a recent inspection revealed the hospital to be one of the worst in the country. I have read and heard exactly the opposite. If there are any St Helier staff out there reading this, maybe you can step in with some relevant information? Pippa Maslin
  • Score: 5

1:30pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Dawn29 says...

I'm glad that your experiences have been good. When my poor old Grandmother spent time in there towards the end of her life the service was dreadful. The ward was dirty, there was dried blood on the floor, which we asked several times for it to be cleaned, without success. The toilets were also disgusting. When she asked a nurse for a bed pan she replied " we haven't time just P***** in the bed." I personally do not call this good service let alone treating the elderly with respect and kindness as you would expect from a hospital. As for trying to complain via the hospital switch board! That's just a joke you could be kept on hold before being transferred to the wrong department and then cut off, anyone would get fed up with this after a few times and give up. Please follow the link to a report by a national newspaper which clearly states that St. Helier Hospital has been ranked one of the worst in the country. Read away!!!
It is the article with the heading Worst Hospitals named and shamed.

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/health/articl
e-75004/Worst-hospit
als-named-shamed.htm
l

I can only assume that you have only the reason you have not heard more complaints about the hospital is that you haven't asked. Why doesn't the Sutton Guardian run a story about who is unhappy with the hospital. You would probably find more people coming forward. Or maybe they are just scared to say anything because they are frightened of being shouted at on their doorstep as happened to cometogether.
Local government seem to have enough money to waste building nonsense "white Elephants" like The Life Centre, dangerous wooden statues that look like they were made by toddlers and a "Living" , or should I say rather droopy wall, in the high Street. Why don't they use this money to at least build an emergency clinic like the one at the Wilson's hospital in Mitcham with a maternity ward attached? Where has the money from the sale of the Memorial hospital in Carshalton gone? Largely used for private housing I believe in a very pricey part of Carshalton by the park.
I'm glad that your experiences have been good. When my poor old Grandmother spent time in there towards the end of her life the service was dreadful. The ward was dirty, there was dried blood on the floor, which we asked several times for it to be cleaned, without success. The toilets were also disgusting. When she asked a nurse for a bed pan she replied " we haven't time just P***** in the bed." I personally do not call this good service let alone treating the elderly with respect and kindness as you would expect from a hospital. As for trying to complain via the hospital switch board! That's just a joke you could be kept on hold before being transferred to the wrong department and then cut off, anyone would get fed up with this after a few times and give up. Please follow the link to a report by a national newspaper which clearly states that St. Helier Hospital has been ranked one of the worst in the country. Read away!!! It is the article with the heading Worst Hospitals named and shamed. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/health/articl e-75004/Worst-hospit als-named-shamed.htm l I can only assume that you have only the reason you have not heard more complaints about the hospital is that you haven't asked. Why doesn't the Sutton Guardian run a story about who is unhappy with the hospital. You would probably find more people coming forward. Or maybe they are just scared to say anything because they are frightened of being shouted at on their doorstep as happened to cometogether. Local government seem to have enough money to waste building nonsense "white Elephants" like The Life Centre, dangerous wooden statues that look like they were made by toddlers and a "Living" , or should I say rather droopy wall, in the high Street. Why don't they use this money to at least build an emergency clinic like the one at the Wilson's hospital in Mitcham with a maternity ward attached? Where has the money from the sale of the Memorial hospital in Carshalton gone? Largely used for private housing I believe in a very pricey part of Carshalton by the park. Dawn29
  • Score: -2

1:37pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Georgia Lewis says...

Dawn29, I was at St Helier Hospital this morning and received excellent care. I did not see any rats and it was clean. Given that we live in London, it would not be a total shock to see a rat outside a hospital or any other building. This morning, I didn't see any rats either inside or out.

The building is old and it is not the prettiest building in town and it needs a refurb, but to pull the whole hospital down and rebuild another one on the Sutton site does not make sense either financially or clinically.

Have you personally inspected either the maternity ward, women's health department or A&E lately? I know people who have given birth there recently and they have all praised the care and standards of the maternity unit.

Where are you getting this "one of the worst in the country" claim from? Can you please provide a link to a website with this report you keep referring to? You are making some pretty wild claims without any evidence.
Dawn29, I was at St Helier Hospital this morning and received excellent care. I did not see any rats and it was clean. Given that we live in London, it would not be a total shock to see a rat outside a hospital or any other building. This morning, I didn't see any rats either inside or out. The building is old and it is not the prettiest building in town and it needs a refurb, but to pull the whole hospital down and rebuild another one on the Sutton site does not make sense either financially or clinically. Have you personally inspected either the maternity ward, women's health department or A&E lately? I know people who have given birth there recently and they have all praised the care and standards of the maternity unit. Where are you getting this "one of the worst in the country" claim from? Can you please provide a link to a website with this report you keep referring to? You are making some pretty wild claims without any evidence. Georgia Lewis
  • Score: 3

2:06pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Pippa Maslin says...

Dawn29, I'm really sorry to hear about what happened with your Grandmother.

I've read the article that you provided a link to, and, with the greatest respect, it's very old. Alan Milburn was the Secretary of State for Health from 1999-2003.

I will try to get you evidence that things have improved.

Re. your line, "I can only assume that you have only the reason you have not heard more complaints about the hospital is that you haven't asked", I'd like to point out that I'm just a grassroots campaigner. I don't work for the NHS, and I'm not involved with local or national government; I'm just a PhD student who lives in the area, thinks that the NHS is being destroyed, and wants to see her local hospital stay and go from strength to strength.

I agree with you that there is some weird spending priorities when it comes to local government, by the way.
Dawn29, I'm really sorry to hear about what happened with your Grandmother. I've read the article that you provided a link to, and, with the greatest respect, it's very old. Alan Milburn was the Secretary of State for Health from 1999-2003. I will try to get you evidence that things have improved. Re. your line, "I can only assume that you have only the reason you have not heard more complaints about the hospital is that you haven't asked", I'd like to point out that I'm just a grassroots campaigner. I don't work for the NHS, and I'm not involved with local or national government; I'm just a PhD student who lives in the area, thinks that the NHS is being destroyed, and wants to see her local hospital stay and go from strength to strength. I agree with you that there is some weird spending priorities when it comes to local government, by the way. Pippa Maslin
  • Score: 3

2:10pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Pippa Maslin says...

I'd like to add that I've never done door to door campaigning for KOSHH, so I've done no shouting at people on their doorstep.
I'd like to add that I've never done door to door campaigning for KOSHH, so I've done no shouting at people on their doorstep. Pippa Maslin
  • Score: 5

2:17pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Pippa Maslin says...

Since I mentioned Milburn...

Readers may be interested to know that when he stopped being Secretary of State for Health, he took a post for £30,000 a year as an advisor to Bridgepoint Capital, a venture capital firm heavily involved in financing private health-care firms moving into the NHS, including Alliance Medical, Match Group, Medica and the Robinia Care Group.
Since I mentioned Milburn... Readers may be interested to know that when he stopped being Secretary of State for Health, he took a post for £30,000 a year as an advisor to Bridgepoint Capital, a venture capital firm heavily involved in financing private health-care firms moving into the NHS, including Alliance Medical, Match Group, Medica and the Robinia Care Group. Pippa Maslin
  • Score: 3

2:23pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Dawn29 says...

Thank you for your comments. I only know if I was campaigning to save something, I would choose something worth saving. More horror stories about St. Helier. I am sure there are many others. Although, I would be interested to read anything about improvements.

Please follow link below. I think it says something when someone as ill as this refuses to be treated at the hospital because of the lack of hygiene. By the way it is not normal, by my standards, for a hospital to have dirty wards, rude staff and rats running around outside the building. Even Florence Nightingale knew that one!

http://www.yourlocal
guardian.co.uk/news/
1822464.St_Helier_pa
tient_in_battle_for_
wounded_knee_op___el
sewhere/
Thank you for your comments. I only know if I was campaigning to save something, I would choose something worth saving. More horror stories about St. Helier. I am sure there are many others. Although, I would be interested to read anything about improvements. Please follow link below. I think it says something when someone as ill as this refuses to be treated at the hospital because of the lack of hygiene. By the way it is not normal, by my standards, for a hospital to have dirty wards, rude staff and rats running around outside the building. Even Florence Nightingale knew that one! http://www.yourlocal guardian.co.uk/news/ 1822464.St_Helier_pa tient_in_battle_for_ wounded_knee_op___el sewhere/ Dawn29
  • Score: -4

3:05pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Dawn29 says...

Yet more reading material about the dirty conditions at the hospital. Please follow the links below-
http://www.yourlocal
guardian.co.uk/news/
2020697._Worrying__i
nfection_rates_at_St
_Helier/
http://www.yourlocal
guardian.co.uk/news/
9229992.Drunk_operat
ing_assistant_struck
_off/
http://www.yourlocal
guardian.co.uk/news/
9534825.Woman_forced
_to_wait_for_12_hour
s_for_operation/
http://www.yourlocal
guardian.co.uk/news/
4077989.Footballer_t
hreatens_to_sue_over
_MRSA/

http://www.yourlocal
guardian.co.uk/news/
4147346.St_Helier_wa
rd_filthy__claims_fo
rmer_patient/


http://www.yourlocal
guardian.co.uk/news/
4875040.Sutton_war_h
ero_waits_six_hours_
for_ambulance/

http://www.yourlocal
guardian.co.uk/news/
8726927.Report_slams
_St_Helier_Hospital_
service/

There are a lot more, of course so please let me know if you require more reading material.
Yet more reading material about the dirty conditions at the hospital. Please follow the links below- http://www.yourlocal guardian.co.uk/news/ 2020697._Worrying__i nfection_rates_at_St _Helier/ http://www.yourlocal guardian.co.uk/news/ 9229992.Drunk_operat ing_assistant_struck _off/ http://www.yourlocal guardian.co.uk/news/ 9534825.Woman_forced _to_wait_for_12_hour s_for_operation/ http://www.yourlocal guardian.co.uk/news/ 4077989.Footballer_t hreatens_to_sue_over _MRSA/ http://www.yourlocal guardian.co.uk/news/ 4147346.St_Helier_wa rd_filthy__claims_fo rmer_patient/ http://www.yourlocal guardian.co.uk/news/ 4875040.Sutton_war_h ero_waits_six_hours_ for_ambulance/ http://www.yourlocal guardian.co.uk/news/ 8726927.Report_slams _St_Helier_Hospital_ service/ There are a lot more, of course so please let me know if you require more reading material. Dawn29
  • Score: -3

5:43pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Georgia Lewis says...

Dawn29, I am glad you have asked to read about improvements. Given you have shared with us a story from 2007, 2008, two from 2009, two from 2010, one from 2011 and one from 2012, you might be interested to know that the hospital has indeed improved.

Since all those stories were published, St Helier Hospital has taken major steps to improve and the hospital has performed very well in its most recent quality assessments. Indeed, if you would care to read this report from October 2013, you will see that the trust has improved its hospitals so much that the Epsom-St Helier Trust is now in Band 6, which means it poses the lowest risk to patients.

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/health/nhs/10
401360/The-hospital-
trusts-that-pose-a-h
igh-risk.html

As I said, I was at the hospital myself this morning and I was very impressed with my experience.
Dawn29, I am glad you have asked to read about improvements. Given you have shared with us a story from 2007, 2008, two from 2009, two from 2010, one from 2011 and one from 2012, you might be interested to know that the hospital has indeed improved. Since all those stories were published, St Helier Hospital has taken major steps to improve and the hospital has performed very well in its most recent quality assessments. Indeed, if you would care to read this report from October 2013, you will see that the trust has improved its hospitals so much that the Epsom-St Helier Trust is now in Band 6, which means it poses the lowest risk to patients. http://www.telegraph .co.uk/health/nhs/10 401360/The-hospital- trusts-that-pose-a-h igh-risk.html As I said, I was at the hospital myself this morning and I was very impressed with my experience. Georgia Lewis
  • Score: 5

12:03pm Thu 21 Aug 14

level6 says...

I am a member of KOSHH and to my knowledge no one in our group has or would put their foot in anyone's door to prevent them closing it, or rant at a householder. There would clearly be nothing to be gained by such behavior.
We have no desire to be rude or aggressive to other members of the public. We want to raise awareness of the desperate threat to our NHS, and to encourage people to support our campaign.
We might well ask those responsible for voting for the destruction of the NHS some very awkward questions, but we consider that to be part of our responsibility as concerned citizens.
I consider it the duty of our elected representatives to answer our questions too and I am happy to press for answers when they fail in that duty.
I am a member of KOSHH and to my knowledge no one in our group has or would put their foot in anyone's door to prevent them closing it, or rant at a householder. There would clearly be nothing to be gained by such behavior. We have no desire to be rude or aggressive to other members of the public. We want to raise awareness of the desperate threat to our NHS, and to encourage people to support our campaign. We might well ask those responsible for voting for the destruction of the NHS some very awkward questions, but we consider that to be part of our responsibility as concerned citizens. I consider it the duty of our elected representatives to answer our questions too and I am happy to press for answers when they fail in that duty. level6
  • Score: 5

12:38pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Pippa Maslin says...

level6 wrote:
I am a member of KOSHH and to my knowledge no one in our group has or would put their foot in anyone's door to prevent them closing it, or rant at a householder. There would clearly be nothing to be gained by such behavior.
We have no desire to be rude or aggressive to other members of the public. We want to raise awareness of the desperate threat to our NHS, and to encourage people to support our campaign.
We might well ask those responsible for voting for the destruction of the NHS some very awkward questions, but we consider that to be part of our responsibility as concerned citizens.
I consider it the duty of our elected representatives to answer our questions too and I am happy to press for answers when they fail in that duty.
Hear hear!
[quote][p][bold]level6[/bold] wrote: I am a member of KOSHH and to my knowledge no one in our group has or would put their foot in anyone's door to prevent them closing it, or rant at a householder. There would clearly be nothing to be gained by such behavior. We have no desire to be rude or aggressive to other members of the public. We want to raise awareness of the desperate threat to our NHS, and to encourage people to support our campaign. We might well ask those responsible for voting for the destruction of the NHS some very awkward questions, but we consider that to be part of our responsibility as concerned citizens. I consider it the duty of our elected representatives to answer our questions too and I am happy to press for answers when they fail in that duty.[/p][/quote]Hear hear! Pippa Maslin
  • Score: 4

1:21pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Georgia Lewis says...

BREAKING NEWS! (or is that Braking news...) Tom Brake has replied to an email I sent him but his answers to the questions raise even more questions.

In short, he is denying that the latest SW London Collaborative Commissioning strategy document represents any threat to St Helier Hospital, he is refusing to accept the explanation about how the KOSHH Party was separate to the KOSHH campaign, he says he has explained in the past what he will do with his petition but does not seem keen to remind anyone who missed that announcement, and he trusts Jeremy Hunt with the NHS...

If you have time (and want to get comfortable with a nice cup of tea...) here are his answers in detail:

1. Exactly what "misinformation" about the hospital are you referring to? Do you mean to say that the Health and Social Care Act and Clause 119 have not put St Helier Hospital in any danger?

Tom says: KOSHH tweeted someone on Twitter who had contacted me about St Helier saying I had voted for Bills that endanger the NHS and that I won't say what I am doing with my St Helier petition. The first point is the opinion of KOSHH which I strongly dispute. On the second point, I have said many times what I have done and what I will do with the petition. Furthermore all the petitions carry a standard disclaimer. I do not think that such inflammatory posts are acceptable, particularly when they are unsolicited.

2. Also, under the Coalition government, the NHS has become way more bureaucratic, including the introduction of way-too-powerful CCGs. Do you not agree that the system is now more bureaucratic and the CCG system is broken, undemocratic and simply not working in the best interests of the people? Why would you not speak out against this?

Tom says: I don’t agree, the introduction of CCGs has made the NHS more accountable and responsive. The PCTs (the CCGs predecessors) were not accountable.

3. Have you read the SW London Collaborative Commissioning strategy document?

Tom says: Yes.

4. If you have read this, which I trust you have as that would be the responsible thing to do in your position, did you not conclude that St Helier Hospital is still under threat? Did you not conclude that any proposals will be aimed at preserving services at St Georges at the expense of other hospital in the area?

Tom says: I don't think it is helpful to speculate about future proposals but it is clear that the level of savings the CCGs will have to make is very challenging and that some of the services at St Helier could be at risk eventually, just as they were under the BSBV plans.

5. Who are the people who have approached you with "misinformation"?

Tom says: Refer to question 1

6. To whom will you present your petition?

Tom says: I will be presenting my petition to the appropriate decision makers at the appropriate point, just as I have in the past

7. When will the petition be presented?

Tom says: I will be presenting my petition to the appropriate decision makers at the appropriate point, just as I have in the past

8. Where will this take place?

Tom says: I will be presenting my petition to the appropriate decision makers at the appropriate point, just as I have in the past

9. What are you doing with the data gleaned from people who have signed the petition in good faith?

Tom says: I record the data in a way that is fully compliant with all data protection laws.

10. Given that I have explained that the KOSHH campaigners are not a political party and that the KOSHH Party was a separate entity that was set up for the local elections, are you going to retract your statement that KOSHH is a political party and apologise for misleading the public?

Tom says: KOSHH is a registered political party and KOSHH is the registered emblem of this political party. Given that @Save_St_Helier is called KOSHH I think most people would think it is reasonable to assume the two are connected.

11. Given that the Epsom-St Helier Trust finances have been referred to the Health Secretary, do you still believe there is no threat to St Helier Hospital even though Clause 119 gives Jeremy Hunt the power to close hospitals?

St Helier Trust expects to be in the black next year, confirming that its financial position is secure, the Department for Health will be aware of this.

12. Do you trust Jeremy Hunt with the NHS?

Tom says: The Coalition Government, Jeremy Hunt - the Coalition’s Secretary of State for Health, and the Liberal Democrats in particular, are committed to an NHS which is free at the point of use and access to which is based on need, not financial means. I trust the Coalition Government’s Secretary of State for Health.

13. Do you or your party plan to speak out against the PFI deals which have cost the taxpayers a fortune? Will there be a Liberal Democrat policy for the next election to investigate the PFI contracts in a public inquiry and seek to roll them back?

Tom says: The Lib Dems will be announcing policies relating to the NHS over the next 9 months. However in devising policy, it is clear to the Liberal Democrats that the previous Labour Government’s heavy use of PFIs has left many Trusts crippled by PFI re-payments.

14. After the Healthwatch meeting, a lot of questions were submitted on paper and there was a promise to answer them in 10 days with the answers published online? Has this happened yet? If not, why not? If not, when can we expect these answers to appear online?

Tom says: As I recall it, the deadline for submitting questions, at the request of the meeting, was extended. I received the final list of questions from Healthwatch Sutton on 5th August. Healthwatch Sutton have asked that I send them answers by the 31stAugust. I will be sending a joint response (with Paul Burstow MP) to them before that date.
BREAKING NEWS! (or is that Braking news...) Tom Brake has replied to an email I sent him but his answers to the questions raise even more questions. In short, he is denying that the latest SW London Collaborative Commissioning strategy document represents any threat to St Helier Hospital, he is refusing to accept the explanation about how the KOSHH Party was separate to the KOSHH campaign, he says he has explained in the past what he will do with his petition but does not seem keen to remind anyone who missed that announcement, and he trusts Jeremy Hunt with the NHS... If you have time (and want to get comfortable with a nice cup of tea...) here are his answers in detail: 1. Exactly what "misinformation" about the hospital are you referring to? Do you mean to say that the Health and Social Care Act and Clause 119 have not put St Helier Hospital in any danger? Tom says: KOSHH tweeted someone on Twitter who had contacted me about St Helier saying I had voted for Bills that endanger the NHS and that I won't say what I am doing with my St Helier petition. The first point is the opinion of KOSHH which I strongly dispute. On the second point, I have said many times what I have done and what I will do with the petition. Furthermore all the petitions carry a standard disclaimer. I do not think that such inflammatory posts are acceptable, particularly when they are unsolicited. 2. Also, under the Coalition government, the NHS has become way more bureaucratic, including the introduction of way-too-powerful CCGs. Do you not agree that the system is now more bureaucratic and the CCG system is broken, undemocratic and simply not working in the best interests of the people? Why would you not speak out against this? Tom says: I don’t agree, the introduction of CCGs has made the NHS more accountable and responsive. The PCTs (the CCGs predecessors) were not accountable. 3. Have you read the SW London Collaborative Commissioning strategy document? Tom says: Yes. 4. If you have read this, which I trust you have as that would be the responsible thing to do in your position, did you not conclude that St Helier Hospital is still under threat? Did you not conclude that any proposals will be aimed at preserving services at St Georges at the expense of other hospital in the area? Tom says: I don't think it is helpful to speculate about future proposals but it is clear that the level of savings the CCGs will have to make is very challenging and that some of the services at St Helier could be at risk eventually, just as they were under the BSBV plans. 5. Who are the people who have approached you with "misinformation"? Tom says: Refer to question 1 6. To whom will you present your petition? Tom says: I will be presenting my petition to the appropriate decision makers at the appropriate point, just as I have in the past 7. When will the petition be presented? Tom says: I will be presenting my petition to the appropriate decision makers at the appropriate point, just as I have in the past 8. Where will this take place? Tom says: I will be presenting my petition to the appropriate decision makers at the appropriate point, just as I have in the past 9. What are you doing with the data gleaned from people who have signed the petition in good faith? Tom says: I record the data in a way that is fully compliant with all data protection laws. 10. Given that I have explained that the KOSHH campaigners are not a political party and that the KOSHH Party was a separate entity that was set up for the local elections, are you going to retract your statement that KOSHH is a political party and apologise for misleading the public? Tom says: KOSHH is a registered political party and KOSHH is the registered emblem of this political party. Given that @Save_St_Helier is called KOSHH I think most people would think it is reasonable to assume the two are connected. 11. Given that the Epsom-St Helier Trust finances have been referred to the Health Secretary, do you still believe there is no threat to St Helier Hospital even though Clause 119 gives Jeremy Hunt the power to close hospitals? St Helier Trust expects to be in the black next year, confirming that its financial position is secure, the Department for Health will be aware of this. 12. Do you trust Jeremy Hunt with the NHS? Tom says: The Coalition Government, Jeremy Hunt - the Coalition’s Secretary of State for Health, and the Liberal Democrats in particular, are committed to an NHS which is free at the point of use and access to which is based on need, not financial means. I trust the Coalition Government’s Secretary of State for Health. 13. Do you or your party plan to speak out against the PFI deals which have cost the taxpayers a fortune? Will there be a Liberal Democrat policy for the next election to investigate the PFI contracts in a public inquiry and seek to roll them back? Tom says: The Lib Dems will be announcing policies relating to the NHS over the next 9 months. However in devising policy, it is clear to the Liberal Democrats that the previous Labour Government’s heavy use of PFIs has left many Trusts crippled by PFI re-payments. 14. After the Healthwatch meeting, a lot of questions were submitted on paper and there was a promise to answer them in 10 days with the answers published online? Has this happened yet? If not, why not? If not, when can we expect these answers to appear online? Tom says: As I recall it, the deadline for submitting questions, at the request of the meeting, was extended. I received the final list of questions from Healthwatch Sutton on 5th August. Healthwatch Sutton have asked that I send them answers by the 31stAugust. I will be sending a joint response (with Paul Burstow MP) to them before that date. Georgia Lewis
  • Score: 6

1:39pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Niki R says...

He still doesn't say where and to who he will deliver the petition, nor how he is using signatories' personal data. He would have to deliver it to either his own Government's Secretary of State for Health, or to the CCG- but the petition is so out of date we have no hope of knowing. The CCGs are not more accountable- not one member is elected, nor are they required to hold meetings in public or account for how each member votes or how voting is weighted. He professes to trust the inept SoS Jeremy Hunt, under whose reign waiting lists have reached an all time high and who has overseen a summertime A&E crisis two years in a row.

Brake is either a fool or a liar, and I know which my money is on.
He still doesn't say where and to who he will deliver the petition, nor how he is using signatories' personal data. He would have to deliver it to either his own Government's Secretary of State for Health, or to the CCG- but the petition is so out of date we have no hope of knowing. The CCGs are not more accountable- not one member is elected, nor are they required to hold meetings in public or account for how each member votes or how voting is weighted. He professes to trust the inept SoS Jeremy Hunt, under whose reign waiting lists have reached an all time high and who has overseen a summertime A&E crisis two years in a row. Brake is either a fool or a liar, and I know which my money is on. Niki R
  • Score: 5

6:50pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Forty_two says...

Dawn29 wrote:
I am confused please advise me ... why would you want to have a baby or be treated in a dirty stinking hole like St.Heller? I would rather drive to a clean hospital even if it was a few miles away. I have seen RATS in the hospital area!!!!!! Please this place Isn't worth saving. It was supposed to be pulled down forty years ago. It is a wreak.
So, are you saying that you have seen rats in the VICINITY of the hospital?

Surely there's not much that could be done to prevent that, aside from routine baiting.

To be frank, if the alternative were simply a matter of driving "a few miles" (which in London traffic could be anything from a few minutes to an hour), the argument might be different - but where is this mystical hospital? St. George's is already unable to cope with the load it's under, and Charing Cross and Hammersmith hospitals have not yet closed.

So, in reality, the drive of "a few miles" to a hospital which is already over-subscribed, if required, is going to lead to people losing their lives.

If you can't see that, than I don't know how else to spell it out to you.
[quote][p][bold]Dawn29[/bold] wrote: I am confused please advise me ... why would you want to have a baby or be treated in a dirty stinking hole like St.Heller? I would rather drive to a clean hospital even if it was a few miles away. I have seen RATS in the hospital area!!!!!! Please this place Isn't worth saving. It was supposed to be pulled down forty years ago. It is a wreak.[/p][/quote]So, are you saying that you have seen rats in the VICINITY of the hospital? Surely there's not much that could be done to prevent that, aside from routine baiting. To be frank, if the alternative were simply a matter of driving "a few miles" (which in London traffic could be anything from a few minutes to an hour), the argument might be different - but where is this mystical hospital? St. George's is already unable to cope with the load it's under, and Charing Cross and Hammersmith hospitals have not yet closed. So, in reality, the drive of "a few miles" to a hospital which is already over-subscribed, if required, is going to lead to people losing their lives. If you can't see that, than I don't know how else to spell it out to you. Forty_two
  • Score: 4

6:54pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Forty_two says...

Dawn29 wrote:
I'm glad that your experiences have been good. When my poor old Grandmother spent time in there towards the end of her life the service was dreadful. The ward was dirty, there was dried blood on the floor, which we asked several times for it to be cleaned, without success. The toilets were also disgusting. When she asked a nurse for a bed pan she replied " we haven't time just P***** in the bed." I personally do not call this good service let alone treating the elderly with respect and kindness as you would expect from a hospital. As for trying to complain via the hospital switch board! That's just a joke you could be kept on hold before being transferred to the wrong department and then cut off, anyone would get fed up with this after a few times and give up. Please follow the link to a report by a national newspaper which clearly states that St. Helier Hospital has been ranked one of the worst in the country. Read away!!!
It is the article with the heading Worst Hospitals named and shamed.

http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/health/articl

e-75004/Worst-hospit

als-named-shamed.htm

l

I can only assume that you have only the reason you have not heard more complaints about the hospital is that you haven't asked. Why doesn't the Sutton Guardian run a story about who is unhappy with the hospital. You would probably find more people coming forward. Or maybe they are just scared to say anything because they are frightened of being shouted at on their doorstep as happened to cometogether.
Local government seem to have enough money to waste building nonsense "white Elephants" like The Life Centre, dangerous wooden statues that look like they were made by toddlers and a "Living" , or should I say rather droopy wall, in the high Street. Why don't they use this money to at least build an emergency clinic like the one at the Wilson's hospital in Mitcham with a maternity ward attached? Where has the money from the sale of the Memorial hospital in Carshalton gone? Largely used for private housing I believe in a very pricey part of Carshalton by the park.
The report you link to, talks about health secretary Alan Milburn, he was last health secretary in July 2003, more than a decade ago, so I'm not quite sure how this is relevant to the debate.
[quote][p][bold]Dawn29[/bold] wrote: I'm glad that your experiences have been good. When my poor old Grandmother spent time in there towards the end of her life the service was dreadful. The ward was dirty, there was dried blood on the floor, which we asked several times for it to be cleaned, without success. The toilets were also disgusting. When she asked a nurse for a bed pan she replied " we haven't time just P***** in the bed." I personally do not call this good service let alone treating the elderly with respect and kindness as you would expect from a hospital. As for trying to complain via the hospital switch board! That's just a joke you could be kept on hold before being transferred to the wrong department and then cut off, anyone would get fed up with this after a few times and give up. Please follow the link to a report by a national newspaper which clearly states that St. Helier Hospital has been ranked one of the worst in the country. Read away!!! It is the article with the heading Worst Hospitals named and shamed. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/health/articl e-75004/Worst-hospit als-named-shamed.htm l I can only assume that you have only the reason you have not heard more complaints about the hospital is that you haven't asked. Why doesn't the Sutton Guardian run a story about who is unhappy with the hospital. You would probably find more people coming forward. Or maybe they are just scared to say anything because they are frightened of being shouted at on their doorstep as happened to cometogether. Local government seem to have enough money to waste building nonsense "white Elephants" like The Life Centre, dangerous wooden statues that look like they were made by toddlers and a "Living" , or should I say rather droopy wall, in the high Street. Why don't they use this money to at least build an emergency clinic like the one at the Wilson's hospital in Mitcham with a maternity ward attached? Where has the money from the sale of the Memorial hospital in Carshalton gone? Largely used for private housing I believe in a very pricey part of Carshalton by the park.[/p][/quote]The report you link to, talks about health secretary Alan Milburn, he was last health secretary in July 2003, more than a decade ago, so I'm not quite sure how this is relevant to the debate. Forty_two
  • Score: 4

6:56pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Forty_two says...

Dawn29 wrote:
I'm glad that your experiences have been good. When my poor old Grandmother spent time in there towards the end of her life the service was dreadful. The ward was dirty, there was dried blood on the floor, which we asked several times for it to be cleaned, without success. The toilets were also disgusting. When she asked a nurse for a bed pan she replied " we haven't time just P***** in the bed." I personally do not call this good service let alone treating the elderly with respect and kindness as you would expect from a hospital. As for trying to complain via the hospital switch board! That's just a joke you could be kept on hold before being transferred to the wrong department and then cut off, anyone would get fed up with this after a few times and give up. Please follow the link to a report by a national newspaper which clearly states that St. Helier Hospital has been ranked one of the worst in the country. Read away!!!
It is the article with the heading Worst Hospitals named and shamed.

http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/health/articl

e-75004/Worst-hospit

als-named-shamed.htm

l

I can only assume that you have only the reason you have not heard more complaints about the hospital is that you haven't asked. Why doesn't the Sutton Guardian run a story about who is unhappy with the hospital. You would probably find more people coming forward. Or maybe they are just scared to say anything because they are frightened of being shouted at on their doorstep as happened to cometogether.
Local government seem to have enough money to waste building nonsense "white Elephants" like The Life Centre, dangerous wooden statues that look like they were made by toddlers and a "Living" , or should I say rather droopy wall, in the high Street. Why don't they use this money to at least build an emergency clinic like the one at the Wilson's hospital in Mitcham with a maternity ward attached? Where has the money from the sale of the Memorial hospital in Carshalton gone? Largely used for private housing I believe in a very pricey part of Carshalton by the park.
ComeTogether has indeed said that this is what happened, but neither they nor you have any evidence to back up this claim, a claim which I personally would wager a small sum of cash not to be accurate.
[quote][p][bold]Dawn29[/bold] wrote: I'm glad that your experiences have been good. When my poor old Grandmother spent time in there towards the end of her life the service was dreadful. The ward was dirty, there was dried blood on the floor, which we asked several times for it to be cleaned, without success. The toilets were also disgusting. When she asked a nurse for a bed pan she replied " we haven't time just P***** in the bed." I personally do not call this good service let alone treating the elderly with respect and kindness as you would expect from a hospital. As for trying to complain via the hospital switch board! That's just a joke you could be kept on hold before being transferred to the wrong department and then cut off, anyone would get fed up with this after a few times and give up. Please follow the link to a report by a national newspaper which clearly states that St. Helier Hospital has been ranked one of the worst in the country. Read away!!! It is the article with the heading Worst Hospitals named and shamed. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/health/articl e-75004/Worst-hospit als-named-shamed.htm l I can only assume that you have only the reason you have not heard more complaints about the hospital is that you haven't asked. Why doesn't the Sutton Guardian run a story about who is unhappy with the hospital. You would probably find more people coming forward. Or maybe they are just scared to say anything because they are frightened of being shouted at on their doorstep as happened to cometogether. Local government seem to have enough money to waste building nonsense "white Elephants" like The Life Centre, dangerous wooden statues that look like they were made by toddlers and a "Living" , or should I say rather droopy wall, in the high Street. Why don't they use this money to at least build an emergency clinic like the one at the Wilson's hospital in Mitcham with a maternity ward attached? Where has the money from the sale of the Memorial hospital in Carshalton gone? Largely used for private housing I believe in a very pricey part of Carshalton by the park.[/p][/quote]ComeTogether has indeed said that this is what happened, but neither they nor you have any evidence to back up this claim, a claim which I personally would wager a small sum of cash not to be accurate. Forty_two
  • Score: 4

6:59pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Forty_two says...

Pippa Maslin wrote:
Since I mentioned Milburn...

Readers may be interested to know that when he stopped being Secretary of State for Health, he took a post for £30,000 a year as an advisor to Bridgepoint Capital, a venture capital firm heavily involved in financing private health-care firms moving into the NHS, including Alliance Medical, Match Group, Medica and the Robinia Care Group.
Pretty sure Bridgepoint capital also own Care UK, one of the largest private healthcare providers - and the former chairman of the BBC Trust, Chris Patten was also linked to Bridgepoint Capital.
[quote][p][bold]Pippa Maslin[/bold] wrote: Since I mentioned Milburn... Readers may be interested to know that when he stopped being Secretary of State for Health, he took a post for £30,000 a year as an advisor to Bridgepoint Capital, a venture capital firm heavily involved in financing private health-care firms moving into the NHS, including Alliance Medical, Match Group, Medica and the Robinia Care Group.[/p][/quote]Pretty sure Bridgepoint capital also own Care UK, one of the largest private healthcare providers - and the former chairman of the BBC Trust, Chris Patten was also linked to Bridgepoint Capital. Forty_two
  • Score: 4

12:44pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Dawn29 says...

Forty_two wrote:
Dawn29 wrote:
I'm glad that your experiences have been good. When my poor old Grandmother spent time in there towards the end of her life the service was dreadful. The ward was dirty, there was dried blood on the floor, which we asked several times for it to be cleaned, without success. The toilets were also disgusting. When she asked a nurse for a bed pan she replied " we haven't time just P***** in the bed." I personally do not call this good service let alone treating the elderly with respect and kindness as you would expect from a hospital. As for trying to complain via the hospital switch board! That's just a joke you could be kept on hold before being transferred to the wrong department and then cut off, anyone would get fed up with this after a few times and give up. Please follow the link to a report by a national newspaper which clearly states that St. Helier Hospital has been ranked one of the worst in the country. Read away!!!
It is the article with the heading Worst Hospitals named and shamed.

http://www.dailymail


.co.uk/health/articl


e-75004/Worst-hospit


als-named-shamed.htm


l

I can only assume that you have only the reason you have not heard more complaints about the hospital is that you haven't asked. Why doesn't the Sutton Guardian run a story about who is unhappy with the hospital. You would probably find more people coming forward. Or maybe they are just scared to say anything because they are frightened of being shouted at on their doorstep as happened to cometogether.
Local government seem to have enough money to waste building nonsense "white Elephants" like The Life Centre, dangerous wooden statues that look like they were made by toddlers and a "Living" , or should I say rather droopy wall, in the high Street. Why don't they use this money to at least build an emergency clinic like the one at the Wilson's hospital in Mitcham with a maternity ward attached? Where has the money from the sale of the Memorial hospital in Carshalton gone? Largely used for private housing I believe in a very pricey part of Carshalton by the park.
ComeTogether has indeed said that this is what happened, but neither they nor you have any evidence to back up this claim, a claim which I personally would wager a small sum of cash not to be accurate.
People are entitled to expressing their opinion and relaying their experiences without being called liars you know!! The one thing I am not is a liar. How would you feel if I called you a liar? How rude!
[quote][p][bold]Forty_two[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dawn29[/bold] wrote: I'm glad that your experiences have been good. When my poor old Grandmother spent time in there towards the end of her life the service was dreadful. The ward was dirty, there was dried blood on the floor, which we asked several times for it to be cleaned, without success. The toilets were also disgusting. When she asked a nurse for a bed pan she replied " we haven't time just P***** in the bed." I personally do not call this good service let alone treating the elderly with respect and kindness as you would expect from a hospital. As for trying to complain via the hospital switch board! That's just a joke you could be kept on hold before being transferred to the wrong department and then cut off, anyone would get fed up with this after a few times and give up. Please follow the link to a report by a national newspaper which clearly states that St. Helier Hospital has been ranked one of the worst in the country. Read away!!! It is the article with the heading Worst Hospitals named and shamed. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/health/articl e-75004/Worst-hospit als-named-shamed.htm l I can only assume that you have only the reason you have not heard more complaints about the hospital is that you haven't asked. Why doesn't the Sutton Guardian run a story about who is unhappy with the hospital. You would probably find more people coming forward. Or maybe they are just scared to say anything because they are frightened of being shouted at on their doorstep as happened to cometogether. Local government seem to have enough money to waste building nonsense "white Elephants" like The Life Centre, dangerous wooden statues that look like they were made by toddlers and a "Living" , or should I say rather droopy wall, in the high Street. Why don't they use this money to at least build an emergency clinic like the one at the Wilson's hospital in Mitcham with a maternity ward attached? Where has the money from the sale of the Memorial hospital in Carshalton gone? Largely used for private housing I believe in a very pricey part of Carshalton by the park.[/p][/quote]ComeTogether has indeed said that this is what happened, but neither they nor you have any evidence to back up this claim, a claim which I personally would wager a small sum of cash not to be accurate.[/p][/quote]People are entitled to expressing their opinion and relaying their experiences without being called liars you know!! The one thing I am not is a liar. How would you feel if I called you a liar? How rude! Dawn29
  • Score: -3

2:24pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Forty_two says...

Dawn29 wrote:
Forty_two wrote:
Dawn29 wrote:
I'm glad that your experiences have been good. When my poor old Grandmother spent time in there towards the end of her life the service was dreadful. The ward was dirty, there was dried blood on the floor, which we asked several times for it to be cleaned, without success. The toilets were also disgusting. When she asked a nurse for a bed pan she replied " we haven't time just P***** in the bed." I personally do not call this good service let alone treating the elderly with respect and kindness as you would expect from a hospital. As for trying to complain via the hospital switch board! That's just a joke you could be kept on hold before being transferred to the wrong department and then cut off, anyone would get fed up with this after a few times and give up. Please follow the link to a report by a national newspaper which clearly states that St. Helier Hospital has been ranked one of the worst in the country. Read away!!!
It is the article with the heading Worst Hospitals named and shamed.

http://www.dailymail



.co.uk/health/articl



e-75004/Worst-hospit



als-named-shamed.htm



l

I can only assume that you have only the reason you have not heard more complaints about the hospital is that you haven't asked. Why doesn't the Sutton Guardian run a story about who is unhappy with the hospital. You would probably find more people coming forward. Or maybe they are just scared to say anything because they are frightened of being shouted at on their doorstep as happened to cometogether.
Local government seem to have enough money to waste building nonsense "white Elephants" like The Life Centre, dangerous wooden statues that look like they were made by toddlers and a "Living" , or should I say rather droopy wall, in the high Street. Why don't they use this money to at least build an emergency clinic like the one at the Wilson's hospital in Mitcham with a maternity ward attached? Where has the money from the sale of the Memorial hospital in Carshalton gone? Largely used for private housing I believe in a very pricey part of Carshalton by the park.
ComeTogether has indeed said that this is what happened, but neither they nor you have any evidence to back up this claim, a claim which I personally would wager a small sum of cash not to be accurate.
People are entitled to expressing their opinion and relaying their experiences without being called liars you know!! The one thing I am not is a liar. How would you feel if I called you a liar? How rude!
Expressing an opinion is one thing, but claiming that an individual from a group (you don't seem to be quite sure whether the group in question is the KOSHH Campaign group or the KOSHH Party) carried out something in particular is quite different from expressing an opinion, it's an accusation.

I know personally every member of both the KOSHH Campaign, and the KOSHH Party, and I'm sorry if this offends you, but I simply do not believe that any of them would have acted in the way you describe.

To do so would not be in the group's interests - which really is to spread the word about the threat that is faced by our local hospital, and hold the parties responsible for this (our local MPs, CCGs etc.) to account for their actions. How would putting one's foot in the doorway of a member of the public help in this?

Furthermore, I don't believe that any member of either the KOSHH campaign, or the KOSHH Party have done any door-to-door calling as such.

So, I would suggest that either
1. you were mistaken about the identity of the caller OR
2. Someone is masquerading as a member of KOSHH (although it seems that we can't be sure if we're talking about the party or the campaign) and behaving badly OR
3. Someone is telling porkies OR
4. A combination of the above.

No rudeness was intended on my part, but consider how the people of the KOSHH Campaign, or the KOSHH Party would feel reading your statements which they know to be untrue?
[quote][p][bold]Dawn29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forty_two[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dawn29[/bold] wrote: I'm glad that your experiences have been good. When my poor old Grandmother spent time in there towards the end of her life the service was dreadful. The ward was dirty, there was dried blood on the floor, which we asked several times for it to be cleaned, without success. The toilets were also disgusting. When she asked a nurse for a bed pan she replied " we haven't time just P***** in the bed." I personally do not call this good service let alone treating the elderly with respect and kindness as you would expect from a hospital. As for trying to complain via the hospital switch board! That's just a joke you could be kept on hold before being transferred to the wrong department and then cut off, anyone would get fed up with this after a few times and give up. Please follow the link to a report by a national newspaper which clearly states that St. Helier Hospital has been ranked one of the worst in the country. Read away!!! It is the article with the heading Worst Hospitals named and shamed. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/health/articl e-75004/Worst-hospit als-named-shamed.htm l I can only assume that you have only the reason you have not heard more complaints about the hospital is that you haven't asked. Why doesn't the Sutton Guardian run a story about who is unhappy with the hospital. You would probably find more people coming forward. Or maybe they are just scared to say anything because they are frightened of being shouted at on their doorstep as happened to cometogether. Local government seem to have enough money to waste building nonsense "white Elephants" like The Life Centre, dangerous wooden statues that look like they were made by toddlers and a "Living" , or should I say rather droopy wall, in the high Street. Why don't they use this money to at least build an emergency clinic like the one at the Wilson's hospital in Mitcham with a maternity ward attached? Where has the money from the sale of the Memorial hospital in Carshalton gone? Largely used for private housing I believe in a very pricey part of Carshalton by the park.[/p][/quote]ComeTogether has indeed said that this is what happened, but neither they nor you have any evidence to back up this claim, a claim which I personally would wager a small sum of cash not to be accurate.[/p][/quote]People are entitled to expressing their opinion and relaying their experiences without being called liars you know!! The one thing I am not is a liar. How would you feel if I called you a liar? How rude![/p][/quote]Expressing an opinion is one thing, but claiming that an individual from a group (you don't seem to be quite sure whether the group in question is the KOSHH Campaign group or the KOSHH Party) carried out something in particular is quite different from expressing an opinion, it's an accusation. I know personally every member of both the KOSHH Campaign, and the KOSHH Party, and I'm sorry if this offends you, but I simply do not believe that any of them would have acted in the way you describe. To do so would not be in the group's interests - which really is to spread the word about the threat that is faced by our local hospital, and hold the parties responsible for this (our local MPs, CCGs etc.) to account for their actions. How would putting one's foot in the doorway of a member of the public help in this? Furthermore, I don't believe that any member of either the KOSHH campaign, or the KOSHH Party have done any door-to-door calling as such. So, I would suggest that either 1. you were mistaken about the identity of the caller OR 2. Someone is masquerading as a member of KOSHH (although it seems that we can't be sure if we're talking about the party or the campaign) and behaving badly OR 3. Someone is telling porkies OR 4. A combination of the above. No rudeness was intended on my part, but consider how the people of the KOSHH Campaign, or the KOSHH Party would feel reading your statements which they know to be untrue? Forty_two
  • Score: 8

2:40pm Fri 22 Aug 14

missfeline says...

Unfortunately both times I have had to use St Helier, I got incorrect diagnoses. At the time I was lucky enough to have private health so I got referred via that and got the correct diagnosis in both cases. The first time I saw an ortho guy who was foreign and could barely string a sentence together,told me nothing wrong with my painful wrist . Got referred privately , saw a top consultant within days who after several scans and tests diagnosed a very rare injury which required immediate surgery which I had at St Anthony's in Cheam. If I had not had the surgery I would have lost the use of my right hand which would have stopped me working as I am right-handed. I wrote to the consultant in charge to complain- nothing back. No surprise there! The second time was the same, ambulance crew great but A&E chaos, admitted to Clinical Assessment, had to share a ghastly noisy ward with three others...misdiagnose
d by a foreign doctor (Burmese) who could hardly speak English and sent home. Knew something was seriously wrong so went to my GP next day and saw a consultant the day after that at St Anthony's who told me what was wrong (perm neuro damage which could have been reduced if I had been given steroids at St Helier within hours of the symptoms coming on) The St Ant's consultant ironically enough was the Burmese 'neuro' idiot's boss , as most seem to do private as well as lucrative NHS( lovely pensions!!!) work. Complaint put in, but nothing came of it. God help me now if anything else goes wrong as I don't have private health any more and I have absolutely ZERO confidence in St Helier. Pay a fortune in taxes for this ? Outrageous
Unfortunately both times I have had to use St Helier, I got incorrect diagnoses. At the time I was lucky enough to have private health so I got referred via that and got the correct diagnosis in both cases. The first time I saw an ortho guy who was foreign and could barely string a sentence together,told me nothing wrong with my painful wrist . Got referred privately , saw a top consultant within days who after several scans and tests diagnosed a very rare injury which required immediate surgery which I had at St Anthony's in Cheam. If I had not had the surgery I would have lost the use of my right hand which would have stopped me working as I am right-handed. I wrote to the consultant in charge to complain- nothing back. No surprise there! The second time was the same, ambulance crew great but A&E chaos, admitted to Clinical Assessment, had to share a ghastly noisy ward with three others...misdiagnose d by a foreign doctor (Burmese) who could hardly speak English and sent home. Knew something was seriously wrong so went to my GP next day and saw a consultant the day after that at St Anthony's who told me what was wrong (perm neuro damage which could have been reduced if I had been given steroids at St Helier within hours of the symptoms coming on) The St Ant's consultant ironically enough was the Burmese 'neuro' idiot's boss , as most seem to do private as well as lucrative NHS( lovely pensions!!!) work. Complaint put in, but nothing came of it. God help me now if anything else goes wrong as I don't have private health any more and I have absolutely ZERO confidence in St Helier. Pay a fortune in taxes for this ? Outrageous missfeline
  • Score: -9

5:11pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Georgia Lewis says...

Unfortunately, missfeline, you have described a situation which has arisen because of chronic underfunding of the NHS and that is why you should join the campaign to save St Helier Hospital and the wider NHS rather than slagging off the hospital. It does indeed sound like you had two unfortunate experiences but this is far from the case for the thousands of patients whose lives are saved in A&E every year.

You seem very keen to tell us over and over again that the doctor was Burmese. But the fact is that without people from other countries, the NHS would collapse, even if you had a bad experience with this one particular doctor.

If the NHS was properly funded, there would be less chance of a substandard doctor treating you in any NHS hospital, regardless of their nationality.
Unfortunately, missfeline, you have described a situation which has arisen because of chronic underfunding of the NHS and that is why you should join the campaign to save St Helier Hospital and the wider NHS rather than slagging off the hospital. It does indeed sound like you had two unfortunate experiences but this is far from the case for the thousands of patients whose lives are saved in A&E every year. You seem very keen to tell us over and over again that the doctor was Burmese. But the fact is that without people from other countries, the NHS would collapse, even if you had a bad experience with this one particular doctor. If the NHS was properly funded, there would be less chance of a substandard doctor treating you in any NHS hospital, regardless of their nationality. Georgia Lewis
  • Score: 8

5:50pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Pippa Maslin says...

Georgia Lewis wrote:
Unfortunately, missfeline, you have described a situation which has arisen because of chronic underfunding of the NHS and that is why you should join the campaign to save St Helier Hospital and the wider NHS rather than slagging off the hospital. It does indeed sound like you had two unfortunate experiences but this is far from the case for the thousands of patients whose lives are saved in A&E every year.

You seem very keen to tell us over and over again that the doctor was Burmese. But the fact is that without people from other countries, the NHS would collapse, even if you had a bad experience with this one particular doctor.

If the NHS was properly funded, there would be less chance of a substandard doctor treating you in any NHS hospital, regardless of their nationality.
You took the words out of my mouth, Georgia. I've been thinking, over the weekend, about a response to missfeline.

missfeline, I am genuinely sorry to hear of all the trouble you've had, but please, do not bash immigrants who work in the NHS: they are totally the wrong people to bash; they keep the NHS afloat.

On a slightly different note, I'm having a good think about Brake's answers...
[quote][p][bold]Georgia Lewis[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, missfeline, you have described a situation which has arisen because of chronic underfunding of the NHS and that is why you should join the campaign to save St Helier Hospital and the wider NHS rather than slagging off the hospital. It does indeed sound like you had two unfortunate experiences but this is far from the case for the thousands of patients whose lives are saved in A&E every year. You seem very keen to tell us over and over again that the doctor was Burmese. But the fact is that without people from other countries, the NHS would collapse, even if you had a bad experience with this one particular doctor. If the NHS was properly funded, there would be less chance of a substandard doctor treating you in any NHS hospital, regardless of their nationality.[/p][/quote]You took the words out of my mouth, Georgia. I've been thinking, over the weekend, about a response to missfeline. missfeline, I am genuinely sorry to hear of all the trouble you've had, but please, do not bash immigrants who work in the NHS: they are totally the wrong people to bash; they keep the NHS afloat. On a slightly different note, I'm having a good think about Brake's answers... Pippa Maslin
  • Score: 6

5:50pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Pippa Maslin says...

Georgia Lewis wrote:
Unfortunately, missfeline, you have described a situation which has arisen because of chronic underfunding of the NHS and that is why you should join the campaign to save St Helier Hospital and the wider NHS rather than slagging off the hospital. It does indeed sound like you had two unfortunate experiences but this is far from the case for the thousands of patients whose lives are saved in A&E every year.

You seem very keen to tell us over and over again that the doctor was Burmese. But the fact is that without people from other countries, the NHS would collapse, even if you had a bad experience with this one particular doctor.

If the NHS was properly funded, there would be less chance of a substandard doctor treating you in any NHS hospital, regardless of their nationality.
You took the words out of my mouth, Georgia. I've been thinking, over the weekend, about a response to missfeline.

missfeline, I am genuinely sorry to hear of all the trouble you've had, but please, do not bash immigrants who work in the NHS: they are totally the wrong people to bash; they keep the NHS afloat.
[quote][p][bold]Georgia Lewis[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, missfeline, you have described a situation which has arisen because of chronic underfunding of the NHS and that is why you should join the campaign to save St Helier Hospital and the wider NHS rather than slagging off the hospital. It does indeed sound like you had two unfortunate experiences but this is far from the case for the thousands of patients whose lives are saved in A&E every year. You seem very keen to tell us over and over again that the doctor was Burmese. But the fact is that without people from other countries, the NHS would collapse, even if you had a bad experience with this one particular doctor. If the NHS was properly funded, there would be less chance of a substandard doctor treating you in any NHS hospital, regardless of their nationality.[/p][/quote]You took the words out of my mouth, Georgia. I've been thinking, over the weekend, about a response to missfeline. missfeline, I am genuinely sorry to hear of all the trouble you've had, but please, do not bash immigrants who work in the NHS: they are totally the wrong people to bash; they keep the NHS afloat. Pippa Maslin
  • Score: 6

6:28pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Georgia Lewis says...

Exactly, Pippa!

And I've just realised the link that Dawn29 shared from the Daily Mail (!) to try and prove that St Helier is a terrible hospital is from when Alan Milburn was the Health Secretary. That would be Alan Milburn who was Health Secretary under Labour from 1999 until 2003 - 11 years ago! Dawn29, I know you are desperate to prove a point but you really need to check dates before posting...
Exactly, Pippa! And I've just realised the link that Dawn29 shared from the Daily Mail (!) to try and prove that St Helier is a terrible hospital is from when Alan Milburn was the Health Secretary. That would be Alan Milburn who was Health Secretary under Labour from 1999 until 2003 - 11 years ago! Dawn29, I know you are desperate to prove a point but you really need to check dates before posting... Georgia Lewis
  • Score: 5

6:34pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Bonnie Craven says...

Dawn29 wrote:
Georgia Lewis wrote:
Dawn29 wrote:
I don't know why so many people want to save this awful hospital. Pull it down and build a decent new modern one. Goodness knows we pay enough in taxes!! St. Helier's hospital has always been a terrible place. It is not fit for purpose, it's falling down in places as it was built on magnesium and is very dirty. I should know as after an operation there I given the gift of a very nasty infection. Also, I have also seen rats exiting the site onto the park next door!! Pull the place down!!
Dawn29, I'm not sure if you remember but there was a big banner on the front of St Helier Hospital announcing a £212m investment in the site. However, this is now off the table and a more modest £90m upgrade is proposed. We do indeed pay enough in taxes but it is a shame that many corporations do not because then there'd be plenty of money for the NHS.

I am sorry you had a bad experience there. I trust you made a complaint via the proper channels to ensure improvements could be made. Of course, if the infection was the result of the outsourced cleaners the hospital now uses thanks to ongoing privatisation, you should support the KOSHH campaign as one of the things we speak out against is farming out essential NHS services to private, for-profit companies.

Also, if you were in an ambulance or in labour and St Helier was the nearest hospital, you might appreciate the refurbished A&E and maternity department as it would save the trip to Tooting, Croydon or Kingston.
£212 million!!! Another waste of money. Yes a letter of complaint was written at the time but lost in the system somewhere I expect. I am sure that letters of complaint are "lost" all the time. I am also sure that I am not the only one to leave the hospital with an infection either. This hospital was found to be one of the worst in the country after recent inspections for goodness sake! Pull the place down, build badly needed social housing and then build a new CLEAN hospital on the large Sutton hospital site. That's my opinion. It's useless trying to rebuild a dirty crumbling mess.
Dawn, data on infection control etc is freely available on the internet, and the cases of hospital acquired infections is actually very low in this trust. Furthermore, the Care Quality Commission recently graded our hospital trust with the highest possible score. It achieved a 6, unlike surrounding trusts. For more information:

Local comparison
The table below shows the CQC risk ratings for other local hospitals.

CQC risk ratings for our local hospitals
Trust Risk rating
Ashford and St Peter's 6
Croydon Health Services 1
Epsom and St Helier 6
Frimley Park 6
Kingston Hospital 6
Royal Surrey 2
St George's 6
Surrey and Sussex 6
(Data published on the CQC website in October 2013. Higher figures are better.)

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The amount pledged by Andy Burnham was needed following years of neglect and underinvestment by the last Tory government was £219m and having spoken with Andy Burnham he is clear that the money is still very much needed to upgrade our much used and highly valued hospital.

But if we were to look at "bulldozing" this hospital (one that is important as a landmark, architecturally and historical place), the cost of re-building from scratch would be many multiples of this amount. The idea that the Sutton hospital site would be preferable is also pretty objectionable. The Sutton hospital site is in a wealthier part of our borough, where demand for NHS services are lower. The St Helier site is at the centre of a deprived part of our borough, and services are needed most there. Although I will say that the optimal solution would be to maintain both hospitals, I do not believe there is a medical argument for further reductions in our NHS provision, especially given the ageing and growing population.

I also agree that we need more social housing, but you should note that that is an entirely separate issue to the hospital. Had we got a Labour council in May, we would have built 400 new homes a year for 4 years. Clearly this would have relieved many of the pressures on our social housing. Unfortunately we did not achieve what we needed to on the council to be able to do this. I hope residents will vote in a better way next time.
[quote][p][bold]Dawn29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgia Lewis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dawn29[/bold] wrote: I don't know why so many people want to save this awful hospital. Pull it down and build a decent new modern one. Goodness knows we pay enough in taxes!! St. Helier's hospital has always been a terrible place. It is not fit for purpose, it's falling down in places as it was built on magnesium and is very dirty. I should know as after an operation there I given the gift of a very nasty infection. Also, I have also seen rats exiting the site onto the park next door!! Pull the place down!![/p][/quote]Dawn29, I'm not sure if you remember but there was a big banner on the front of St Helier Hospital announcing a £212m investment in the site. However, this is now off the table and a more modest £90m upgrade is proposed. We do indeed pay enough in taxes but it is a shame that many corporations do not because then there'd be plenty of money for the NHS. I am sorry you had a bad experience there. I trust you made a complaint via the proper channels to ensure improvements could be made. Of course, if the infection was the result of the outsourced cleaners the hospital now uses thanks to ongoing privatisation, you should support the KOSHH campaign as one of the things we speak out against is farming out essential NHS services to private, for-profit companies. Also, if you were in an ambulance or in labour and St Helier was the nearest hospital, you might appreciate the refurbished A&E and maternity department as it would save the trip to Tooting, Croydon or Kingston.[/p][/quote]£212 million!!! Another waste of money. Yes a letter of complaint was written at the time but lost in the system somewhere I expect. I am sure that letters of complaint are "lost" all the time. I am also sure that I am not the only one to leave the hospital with an infection either. This hospital was found to be one of the worst in the country after recent inspections for goodness sake! Pull the place down, build badly needed social housing and then build a new CLEAN hospital on the large Sutton hospital site. That's my opinion. It's useless trying to rebuild a dirty crumbling mess.[/p][/quote]Dawn, data on infection control etc is freely available on the internet, and the cases of hospital acquired infections is actually very low in this trust. Furthermore, the Care Quality Commission recently graded our hospital trust with the highest possible score. It achieved a 6, unlike surrounding trusts. For more information: Local comparison The table below shows the CQC risk ratings for other local hospitals. CQC risk ratings for our local hospitals Trust Risk rating Ashford and St Peter's 6 Croydon Health Services 1 Epsom and St Helier 6 Frimley Park 6 Kingston Hospital 6 Royal Surrey 2 St George's 6 Surrey and Sussex 6 (Data published on the CQC website in October 2013. Higher figures are better.) And here: file:///C:/Users/mrc ra_000/Downloads/Qua lity%20Account%20Rep ort%202013-14.pdf The amount pledged by Andy Burnham was needed following years of neglect and underinvestment by the last Tory government was £219m and having spoken with Andy Burnham he is clear that the money is still very much needed to upgrade our much used and highly valued hospital. But if we were to look at "bulldozing" this hospital (one that is important as a landmark, architecturally and historical place), the cost of re-building from scratch would be many multiples of this amount. The idea that the Sutton hospital site would be preferable is also pretty objectionable. The Sutton hospital site is in a wealthier part of our borough, where demand for NHS services are lower. The St Helier site is at the centre of a deprived part of our borough, and services are needed most there. Although I will say that the optimal solution would be to maintain both hospitals, I do not believe there is a medical argument for further reductions in our NHS provision, especially given the ageing and growing population. I also agree that we need more social housing, but you should note that that is an entirely separate issue to the hospital. Had we got a Labour council in May, we would have built 400 new homes a year for 4 years. Clearly this would have relieved many of the pressures on our social housing. Unfortunately we did not achieve what we needed to on the council to be able to do this. I hope residents will vote in a better way next time. Bonnie Craven
  • Score: 4

7:22pm Mon 25 Aug 14

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missfeline wrote:
Unfortunately both times I have had to use St Helier, I got incorrect diagnoses. At the time I was lucky enough to have private health so I got referred via that and got the correct diagnosis in both cases. The first time I saw an ortho guy who was foreign and could barely string a sentence together,told me nothing wrong with my painful wrist . Got referred privately , saw a top consultant within days who after several scans and tests diagnosed a very rare injury which required immediate surgery which I had at St Anthony's in Cheam. If I had not had the surgery I would have lost the use of my right hand which would have stopped me working as I am right-handed. I wrote to the consultant in charge to complain- nothing back. No surprise there! The second time was the same, ambulance crew great but A&E chaos, admitted to Clinical Assessment, had to share a ghastly noisy ward with three others...misdiagnose

d by a foreign doctor (Burmese) who could hardly speak English and sent home. Knew something was seriously wrong so went to my GP next day and saw a consultant the day after that at St Anthony's who told me what was wrong (perm neuro damage which could have been reduced if I had been given steroids at St Helier within hours of the symptoms coming on) The St Ant's consultant ironically enough was the Burmese 'neuro' idiot's boss , as most seem to do private as well as lucrative NHS( lovely pensions!!!) work. Complaint put in, but nothing came of it. God help me now if anything else goes wrong as I don't have private health any more and I have absolutely ZERO confidence in St Helier. Pay a fortune in taxes for this ? Outrageous
This coalition government removed the Governments obligation to provide healthcare for the Nation, insisted on opening up the NHS to private companies and gave itself the right to close ANY hospital for any reason with minimal consultation in a very short time scale. (The Health and Social Care Act and Clause 119)
If these acts are not repealed we will all have to rely on private health care and private insuranceand as you say missfeline God help all of us. Especially, but not only , those who can not afford to pay insurance.
Remember Health Insurance Companies do not have to cover "expensive" patients if they don't want to. Private Healthcare providers will of course pick and choose which services will be most profitable for them to provide.
The NHs was set up to provide universal Healthcare, free at the point of need, paid for by taxes, with the health and welfare of the patient not profit as the priority. It is, I believe our greatest achievement as a nation, in fact I think it is one of the most noble achievements of any nation. In 2010 the NHS achieved its highest ever patient satisfaction score and it was THIS year found to be the most cost effective healthcare system IN THE WORLD. i.e. the best value, best treatment for the least money per person. We are told we can no longer afford the NHS, I say we can not afford to do without it.
In the USA 60% of all bankruptcies are are result of health related deaths. They are also responsible for a huge % of the suicides in the States. Who could wish to swap to a system like theirs.
Campaign groups have been set up locally, and all over the country to oppose these closures, cuts and privatisations and preserve the principles of the NHS and keep local hospital services.
KOSHH ( Keep Our St Helier Hospital) was set up with these objectives.
Campaigners freely give their time and energy to work for these objectives.
How or why anyone who values the health and well-being of the people of this country could possibly object to such campaign groups I find difficult to imagine. Especially in the case of people who claim to be fighting for the local hospital services themselves! What threat can such groups possibly pose? Financial? Political? I could not possibly say.
[quote][p][bold]missfeline[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately both times I have had to use St Helier, I got incorrect diagnoses. At the time I was lucky enough to have private health so I got referred via that and got the correct diagnosis in both cases. The first time I saw an ortho guy who was foreign and could barely string a sentence together,told me nothing wrong with my painful wrist . Got referred privately , saw a top consultant within days who after several scans and tests diagnosed a very rare injury which required immediate surgery which I had at St Anthony's in Cheam. If I had not had the surgery I would have lost the use of my right hand which would have stopped me working as I am right-handed. I wrote to the consultant in charge to complain- nothing back. No surprise there! The second time was the same, ambulance crew great but A&E chaos, admitted to Clinical Assessment, had to share a ghastly noisy ward with three others...misdiagnose d by a foreign doctor (Burmese) who could hardly speak English and sent home. Knew something was seriously wrong so went to my GP next day and saw a consultant the day after that at St Anthony's who told me what was wrong (perm neuro damage which could have been reduced if I had been given steroids at St Helier within hours of the symptoms coming on) The St Ant's consultant ironically enough was the Burmese 'neuro' idiot's boss , as most seem to do private as well as lucrative NHS( lovely pensions!!!) work. Complaint put in, but nothing came of it. God help me now if anything else goes wrong as I don't have private health any more and I have absolutely ZERO confidence in St Helier. Pay a fortune in taxes for this ? Outrageous[/p][/quote]This coalition government removed the Governments obligation to provide healthcare for the Nation, insisted on opening up the NHS to private companies and gave itself the right to close ANY hospital for any reason with minimal consultation in a very short time scale. (The Health and Social Care Act and Clause 119) If these acts are not repealed we will all have to rely on private health care and private insuranceand as you say missfeline God help all of us. Especially, but not only , those who can not afford to pay insurance. Remember Health Insurance Companies do not have to cover "expensive" patients if they don't want to. Private Healthcare providers will of course pick and choose which services will be most profitable for them to provide. The NHs was set up to provide universal Healthcare, free at the point of need, paid for by taxes, with the health and welfare of the patient not profit as the priority. It is, I believe our greatest achievement as a nation, in fact I think it is one of the most noble achievements of any nation. In 2010 the NHS achieved its highest ever patient satisfaction score and it was THIS year found to be the most cost effective healthcare system IN THE WORLD. i.e. the best value, best treatment for the least money per person. We are told we can no longer afford the NHS, I say we can not afford to do without it. In the USA 60% of all bankruptcies are are result of health related deaths. They are also responsible for a huge % of the suicides in the States. Who could wish to swap to a system like theirs. Campaign groups have been set up locally, and all over the country to oppose these closures, cuts and privatisations and preserve the principles of the NHS and keep local hospital services. KOSHH ( Keep Our St Helier Hospital) was set up with these objectives. Campaigners freely give their time and energy to work for these objectives. How or why anyone who values the health and well-being of the people of this country could possibly object to such campaign groups I find difficult to imagine. Especially in the case of people who claim to be fighting for the local hospital services themselves! What threat can such groups possibly pose? Financial? Political? I could not possibly say. level6
  • Score: 5

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