Surrey Police commissioner Kevin Hurley: How should offenders make amends for anti-social behaviour?

Surrey Police and Crime Commissioner Kevin Hurley believes in zero tolerance

Surrey Police and Crime Commissioner Kevin Hurley believes in zero tolerance

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What should happen to people who commit low level crimes and anti-social behaviour?

This is the question being posed by Surrey Police and Crime Commissioner Kevin Hurley in a survey to gauge public opinion.

Mr Hurley, who champions a zero-tolerance approach to crime and anti-social behaviour, is interested in hearing residents’ views on alternatives to the criminal justice process.

He said: "This is their opportunity to be involved in what they think offenders should do to make amends for their anti-social behaviour and pay back their debt to the community.

"This can only be a good thing and I encourage people to get involved."

The survey suggests possible community remedies including face-to-face apologies, written apologies and targeted interventions such as alcohol and drug treatment and counselling.

Other options include community work like litter picking, work for the victim like cleaning-off graffiti, an anti-social behaviour contract and organised activities to prevent reoffending like sport.

Alternatively there could be a face-to-face discussion between the victim and offender, with a mediator, or a way to allow them to communicate without meeting.

The results of the survey will feed into a Community Remedy document which will be released in October. Victims will then have the opportunity to select an action from the list where appropriate.

To take part in the survey visit www.surrey-pcc.gov.uk/communityremedy

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5:37pm Thu 14 Aug 14

ticktock says...

should be sent to prison end off
should be sent to prison end off ticktock
  • Score: 3

5:40pm Thu 14 Aug 14

edstar says...

ticktock wrote:
should be sent to prison end off
and have their benefits stopped. If they are under 18, the parents should be fined!
[quote][p][bold]ticktock[/bold] wrote: should be sent to prison end off[/p][/quote]and have their benefits stopped. If they are under 18, the parents should be fined! edstar
  • Score: 6

11:31am Fri 15 Aug 14

EwellMan says...

Crime is Crime however you look at it. Starts off with stealing a crunchie from the newsagent and for some leads to robbing houses.

You cant believe in zero tolerance but then ask how to deal with low level crime? Zero tolernace means Zero Tolerance!!!!

The problem is in our society today is that the kids are growing up with zero respect for most adults and especially the police. When i was young i was scared of the police and geting into trouble. That said nowadays you are lucky to see any walking the streets.

I personally would like to see stiffer sentances for petty crime, some examples:

Driving on a mobile - Car taken away siezed and sold, money to be used for victims of crime.

Driving with no MOT, insurance and/or tax - Car taken away siezed and sold, money to be used for victims of crime.

Anti social behaviour - Parents fined £5000 or see reduced benefits if on them.

Caught with drugs - minimum 2 years in prison

Caught with weapon intent on using - 10 yesrs in prison.

Graffiti - minimum 1 year in prison or £5,000 fine

You need stiffer sentances to make people scared of breaking the law because of the consequences.

I have a friend that was convicted of drink driving a few years ago, was arrested in his house 1 hour after arriving home, the pub was one mile away and he lived in a remote part of the country. He was insurance, taxed and had an MOT on his car. When he went to court he received a 2 year ban and £1000 fine. The next person in court after him was a young girl also caught for drink driving, she was caught in the car after smashing into 3 other parked cars, was more over the limit and had no license or insurance. She received a £200 fine and a year ban.

I then found out then when you go to court your past criminal history is not allowed to be mentioned. So you are only judged on the crime you are in court for and not the other 50 robberies you carried out over the last 10 years which is wrong.

This article to me is just another way that the police are looking to fob off petty crime rather than deal and punish. Yes the system may be long winded and waste tax payers money for petty crime but surely this is something that the Government needs to deal with going forward, wont be resolved at country policing levels.
Crime is Crime however you look at it. Starts off with stealing a crunchie from the newsagent and for some leads to robbing houses. You cant believe in zero tolerance but then ask how to deal with low level crime? Zero tolernace means Zero Tolerance!!!! The problem is in our society today is that the kids are growing up with zero respect for most adults and especially the police. When i was young i was scared of the police and geting into trouble. That said nowadays you are lucky to see any walking the streets. I personally would like to see stiffer sentances for petty crime, some examples: Driving on a mobile - Car taken away siezed and sold, money to be used for victims of crime. Driving with no MOT, insurance and/or tax - Car taken away siezed and sold, money to be used for victims of crime. Anti social behaviour - Parents fined £5000 or see reduced benefits if on them. Caught with drugs - minimum 2 years in prison Caught with weapon intent on using - 10 yesrs in prison. Graffiti - minimum 1 year in prison or £5,000 fine You need stiffer sentances to make people scared of breaking the law because of the consequences. I have a friend that was convicted of drink driving a few years ago, was arrested in his house 1 hour after arriving home, the pub was one mile away and he lived in a remote part of the country. He was insurance, taxed and had an MOT on his car. When he went to court he received a 2 year ban and £1000 fine. The next person in court after him was a young girl also caught for drink driving, she was caught in the car after smashing into 3 other parked cars, was more over the limit and had no license or insurance. She received a £200 fine and a year ban. I then found out then when you go to court your past criminal history is not allowed to be mentioned. So you are only judged on the crime you are in court for and not the other 50 robberies you carried out over the last 10 years which is wrong. This article to me is just another way that the police are looking to fob off petty crime rather than deal and punish. Yes the system may be long winded and waste tax payers money for petty crime but surely this is something that the Government needs to deal with going forward, wont be resolved at country policing levels. EwellMan
  • Score: 5

4:10pm Fri 15 Aug 14

ratta-tutta-ya says...

God Ewell-Man you really are a goody goody. I stole sweets from shops when I was growing up, my family was poor, and I'm not proud to have done this. I've turned out okay and run a private company. I suppose I should have received a prison sentence for making small mistakes. Thank God you don't run the country we would be like Russia or North Korea!!
God Ewell-Man you really are a goody goody. I stole sweets from shops when I was growing up, my family was poor, and I'm not proud to have done this. I've turned out okay and run a private company. I suppose I should have received a prison sentence for making small mistakes. Thank God you don't run the country we would be like Russia or North Korea!! ratta-tutta-ya
  • Score: -4

5:13pm Fri 15 Aug 14

EwellMan says...

ratta-tutta-ya wrote:
God Ewell-Man you really are a goody goody. I stole sweets from shops when I was growing up, my family was poor, and I'm not proud to have done this. I've turned out okay and run a private company. I suppose I should have received a prison sentence for making small mistakes. Thank God you don't run the country we would be like Russia or North Korea!!
You run a company, you do make me laugh!!! I am a director of a FTSE100 company.

Just because your family were poor there is absolutely nothing right about stealing. My family had no money and i went to school on a council estate but never stole but thats because i was brought up learning right form wrong.

and where in my comment above did i mention a prison sentance for stealing sweets? You love to twist words? Maybe you should work for David Cameron and keep telling the country that we have 2% inflation and the economy is picking up becaus eyou obviously love spin!!!

I suppose you love paying more for uninsured drivers, i love people being killed by dangerous driving and innocent citizens being stabbed for no reason. Its a sad day when people like you, supposedly clever and running your own business would rather take the time to write a comment aimed at abusing another forum member than making a comment that is relevant to the topic. What a sad life you must have.
[quote][p][bold]ratta-tutta-ya[/bold] wrote: God Ewell-Man you really are a goody goody. I stole sweets from shops when I was growing up, my family was poor, and I'm not proud to have done this. I've turned out okay and run a private company. I suppose I should have received a prison sentence for making small mistakes. Thank God you don't run the country we would be like Russia or North Korea!![/p][/quote]You run a company, you do make me laugh!!! I am a director of a FTSE100 company. Just because your family were poor there is absolutely nothing right about stealing. My family had no money and i went to school on a council estate but never stole but thats because i was brought up learning right form wrong. and where in my comment above did i mention a prison sentance for stealing sweets? You love to twist words? Maybe you should work for David Cameron and keep telling the country that we have 2% inflation and the economy is picking up becaus eyou obviously love spin!!! I suppose you love paying more for uninsured drivers, i love people being killed by dangerous driving and innocent citizens being stabbed for no reason. Its a sad day when people like you, supposedly clever and running your own business would rather take the time to write a comment aimed at abusing another forum member than making a comment that is relevant to the topic. What a sad life you must have. EwellMan
  • Score: 6

6:10pm Fri 15 Aug 14

ratta-tutta-ya says...

Just because your family were poor there is absolutely nothing right about stealing. My family had no money and i went to school on a council estate but never stole but thats because i was brought up learning right form wrong.

and where in my comment above did i mention a prison sentance for stealing sweets? You love to twist words? Maybe you should work for David Cameron and keep telling the country that we have 2% inflation and the economy is picking up becaus eyou obviously love spin!!!

I suppose you love paying more for uninsured drivers, i love people being killed by dangerous driving and innocent citizens being stabbed for no reason. Its a sad day when people like you, supposedly clever and running your own business would rather take the time to write a comment aimed at abusing another forum member than making a comment that is relevant to the topic. What a sad life you must have.

Yeah Ewell-Man You need to get out more and see the kids who have had a poor upbringing in life. Most kids make lot's of mistakes and turn out to be great kids when growing up.

Maybe just maybe you was a lucky fella and never did things wrong in life. All I see on your comments is negative thoughts with the youth of today and trying to get bonus points regarding thumbs up.

Stop keep running people down all the time and chill out!!
Just because your family were poor there is absolutely nothing right about stealing. My family had no money and i went to school on a council estate but never stole but thats because i was brought up learning right form wrong. and where in my comment above did i mention a prison sentance for stealing sweets? You love to twist words? Maybe you should work for David Cameron and keep telling the country that we have 2% inflation and the economy is picking up becaus eyou obviously love spin!!! I suppose you love paying more for uninsured drivers, i love people being killed by dangerous driving and innocent citizens being stabbed for no reason. Its a sad day when people like you, supposedly clever and running your own business would rather take the time to write a comment aimed at abusing another forum member than making a comment that is relevant to the topic. What a sad life you must have. Yeah Ewell-Man You need to get out more and see the kids who have had a poor upbringing in life. Most kids make lot's of mistakes and turn out to be great kids when growing up. Maybe just maybe you was a lucky fella and never did things wrong in life. All I see on your comments is negative thoughts with the youth of today and trying to get bonus points regarding thumbs up. Stop keep running people down all the time and chill out!! ratta-tutta-ya
  • Score: -2

9:58pm Fri 15 Aug 14

EwellMan says...

ratta-tutta-ya wrote:
Just because your family were poor there is absolutely nothing right about stealing. My family had no money and i went to school on a council estate but never stole but thats because i was brought up learning right form wrong. and where in my comment above did i mention a prison sentance for stealing sweets? You love to twist words? Maybe you should work for David Cameron and keep telling the country that we have 2% inflation and the economy is picking up becaus eyou obviously love spin!!! I suppose you love paying more for uninsured drivers, i love people being killed by dangerous driving and innocent citizens being stabbed for no reason. Its a sad day when people like you, supposedly clever and running your own business would rather take the time to write a comment aimed at abusing another forum member than making a comment that is relevant to the topic. What a sad life you must have. Yeah Ewell-Man You need to get out more and see the kids who have had a poor upbringing in life. Most kids make lot's of mistakes and turn out to be great kids when growing up. Maybe just maybe you was a lucky fella and never did things wrong in life. All I see on your comments is negative thoughts with the youth of today and trying to get bonus points regarding thumbs up. Stop keep running people down all the time and chill out!!
See, here you go again attacking me for no reason. I have never run down people or the youth of today? Tell me the posts where i did? I have issue with the lack of police and i have a real issue with paying year on year council tax increase but year on year worse services but thats not running down an individual.

You mention that i need to get out and see kids that have had a poor upbringing? Why, i grew up in a family with no money and worked hard for what i have. Money has nothing to do with ambition and education. True poor is living in Africa with no house, food etc, not living off the council stuggling to pay bills but still enough money for beer, cigarettes and sky.

I dont call being law abiding "Lucky", my parents taught me right from wrong as mentioned before. Tell me why you thought it was right to steal sweets from a shop? You must of had a reason? Bullied? peer pressure? knew your parents wouldnt care? there was obviosuly an underlying reason.

All i have stated that petty crime needs to be stamped on and there should be no leaniency, i am not going to sit here an insult you because you have a differnt opinion to me, you should try it one day.
[quote][p][bold]ratta-tutta-ya[/bold] wrote: Just because your family were poor there is absolutely nothing right about stealing. My family had no money and i went to school on a council estate but never stole but thats because i was brought up learning right form wrong. and where in my comment above did i mention a prison sentance for stealing sweets? You love to twist words? Maybe you should work for David Cameron and keep telling the country that we have 2% inflation and the economy is picking up becaus eyou obviously love spin!!! I suppose you love paying more for uninsured drivers, i love people being killed by dangerous driving and innocent citizens being stabbed for no reason. Its a sad day when people like you, supposedly clever and running your own business would rather take the time to write a comment aimed at abusing another forum member than making a comment that is relevant to the topic. What a sad life you must have. Yeah Ewell-Man You need to get out more and see the kids who have had a poor upbringing in life. Most kids make lot's of mistakes and turn out to be great kids when growing up. Maybe just maybe you was a lucky fella and never did things wrong in life. All I see on your comments is negative thoughts with the youth of today and trying to get bonus points regarding thumbs up. Stop keep running people down all the time and chill out!![/p][/quote]See, here you go again attacking me for no reason. I have never run down people or the youth of today? Tell me the posts where i did? I have issue with the lack of police and i have a real issue with paying year on year council tax increase but year on year worse services but thats not running down an individual. You mention that i need to get out and see kids that have had a poor upbringing? Why, i grew up in a family with no money and worked hard for what i have. Money has nothing to do with ambition and education. True poor is living in Africa with no house, food etc, not living off the council stuggling to pay bills but still enough money for beer, cigarettes and sky. I dont call being law abiding "Lucky", my parents taught me right from wrong as mentioned before. Tell me why you thought it was right to steal sweets from a shop? You must of had a reason? Bullied? peer pressure? knew your parents wouldnt care? there was obviosuly an underlying reason. All i have stated that petty crime needs to be stamped on and there should be no leaniency, i am not going to sit here an insult you because you have a differnt opinion to me, you should try it one day. EwellMan
  • Score: 1

6:52pm Sun 17 Aug 14

chillieman says...

All this waffle about petty crime ,yes its a very big problem and needs to be sorted but we need to start at the so called top.Bankers ,politicians and all the rest who people used to think were the upstanding citizens,the so called role models ,the so called v.i.p s ,the great and the good , they have lost all the respect,we mere mortals had for them long ago .Anyway Direktor Ewellman your mate who got nicked for drink driving ,,great love it ,all drink drivers should be nicked but you made it sound like he was hard done by.Your comment about being a direktor of a ftse 100 company ,i was really impressed with that, NOT loll.. who cares what you direct,not me or anyone else for that matter. ANYWAY HAVE A GOOD WEEK DIRECTING .CHILLIEMAN... :)
All this waffle about petty crime ,yes its a very big problem and needs to be sorted but we need to start at the so called top.Bankers ,politicians and all the rest who people used to think were the upstanding citizens,the so called role models ,the so called v.i.p s ,the great and the good , they have lost all the respect,we mere mortals had for them long ago .Anyway Direktor Ewellman your mate who got nicked for drink driving ,,great love it ,all drink drivers should be nicked but you made it sound like he was hard done by.Your comment about being a direktor of a ftse 100 company ,i was really impressed with that, NOT loll.. who cares what you direct,not me or anyone else for that matter. ANYWAY HAVE A GOOD WEEK DIRECTING .CHILLIEMAN... :) chillieman
  • Score: 0

10:43am Mon 18 Aug 14

EwellMan says...

chillieman wrote:
All this waffle about petty crime ,yes its a very big problem and needs to be sorted but we need to start at the so called top.Bankers ,politicians and all the rest who people used to think were the upstanding citizens,the so called role models ,the so called v.i.p s ,the great and the good , they have lost all the respect,we mere mortals had for them long ago .Anyway Direktor Ewellman your mate who got nicked for drink driving ,,great love it ,all drink drivers should be nicked but you made it sound like he was hard done by.Your comment about being a direktor of a ftse 100 company ,i was really impressed with that, NOT loll.. who cares what you direct,not me or anyone else for that matter. ANYWAY HAVE A GOOD WEEK DIRECTING .CHILLIEMAN... :)
Never made it sound like he was hard done by, Glad he got arrested, i would or personally fined him more and a longer ban. If he was to ever do it again i would impose a prison entance. My point was that the sentancing is random. You cant penalise him for breaking the law in a worse manner than someone that caused 10's of thousand of pounds worth of damage and didnt have a full license or insurance.

I agree on the crimes of bankers and polititicans but they will never be found gulity as in Dave's world "They are in all in it together!!!". Also tax avoidence by the big corporate companies all whilst they continue to pay minimum wage and make increased profits - that in itself is criminal.

My comment on Director was in relation to the statement by the other member stating he owned his own company, i wasnt interested in that also!! What makes me laugh with members like you, you take the moiral high gorund attacking other people on here because you disgree with their statement when other members like ratta-tutta are publishing comments saying that he stole from a sweet shop when he was young because he came from a poor family in a sense that its acceptable.

Where are you attacking him stating all theft if wrong? or should all children at home now living in poor families go to their local corner shop and steal sweets? Yes people make mistakes but surely without the deterrant then more people will

I know my comments are not to everyones taste but they are what i feel and right or wrong i dont slag off another member comments just because i diagree but then maybe i was also brought up with manners and learning to be tolerate and respectful of others.

Love and Peace EwellMan
[quote][p][bold]chillieman[/bold] wrote: All this waffle about petty crime ,yes its a very big problem and needs to be sorted but we need to start at the so called top.Bankers ,politicians and all the rest who people used to think were the upstanding citizens,the so called role models ,the so called v.i.p s ,the great and the good , they have lost all the respect,we mere mortals had for them long ago .Anyway Direktor Ewellman your mate who got nicked for drink driving ,,great love it ,all drink drivers should be nicked but you made it sound like he was hard done by.Your comment about being a direktor of a ftse 100 company ,i was really impressed with that, NOT loll.. who cares what you direct,not me or anyone else for that matter. ANYWAY HAVE A GOOD WEEK DIRECTING .CHILLIEMAN... :)[/p][/quote]Never made it sound like he was hard done by, Glad he got arrested, i would or personally fined him more and a longer ban. If he was to ever do it again i would impose a prison entance. My point was that the sentancing is random. You cant penalise him for breaking the law in a worse manner than someone that caused 10's of thousand of pounds worth of damage and didnt have a full license or insurance. I agree on the crimes of bankers and polititicans but they will never be found gulity as in Dave's world "They are in all in it together!!!". Also tax avoidence by the big corporate companies all whilst they continue to pay minimum wage and make increased profits - that in itself is criminal. My comment on Director was in relation to the statement by the other member stating he owned his own company, i wasnt interested in that also!! What makes me laugh with members like you, you take the moiral high gorund attacking other people on here because you disgree with their statement when other members like ratta-tutta are publishing comments saying that he stole from a sweet shop when he was young because he came from a poor family in a sense that its acceptable. Where are you attacking him stating all theft if wrong? or should all children at home now living in poor families go to their local corner shop and steal sweets? Yes people make mistakes but surely without the deterrant then more people will I know my comments are not to everyones taste but they are what i feel and right or wrong i dont slag off another member comments just because i diagree but then maybe i was also brought up with manners and learning to be tolerate and respectful of others. Love and Peace EwellMan EwellMan
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