Calls for Barnet Borough Council leader to step down from panel that will determine Cllr Rayner's fate

Calls for council leader to step down from panel which will determine Cllr Rayner's fate

Calls for council leader to step down from panel which will determine Cllr Rayner's fate

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Barnet GLA member Andrew Dismore is calling on Barnet Council’s leader to step down as the chairman of a panel that will rule on an investigation into the borough's mayor.

Conservative Councillor Hugh Rayner is under investigation by Barnet Borough Council’s monitoring officer for failing to declare the fact that he is a landlord when voting on housing policies.

Fellow Conservative and council leader Cllr Richard Cornelius, who is due to chair the panel to determine Cllr Rayner's fate, has previously supported the mayor and denied he should resign.

In a statement, Mr Dismore, who logged the original complaint against Cllr Rayner, said: “In these circumstances, Cllr Cornelius cannot be seen to be impartial so far as I can see.

“There is a de facto Conservative majority on the panel. Conservative legislation removed the compulsory requirement for an independent chairman, but the council could have one if it wanted.

“It seems to me, that is what should happen. A Conservative member should agree in advance to abstain, so no one party has a majority.”

When the Times Series asked Cllr Cornelius about the initial complaint against Cllr Rayner, he said: “I don’t know, it doesn’t sound illegal.

“If it’s something that’s illegal it’s something that shouldn’t be done. It depends on what you mean by illegal?”

Cllr Rayner, a Hale councillor, owns 15 properties in the Colindale area with his wife, Susan, and four more under his firm’s name – S&H Housing Limited.

Mr Dismore’s original complaint included how Cllr Rayner failed to declare he receives housing benefit directly from the council on behalf of his Barnet Homes tenants when voting on housing policies.

He also raised concerns about how he turned up unannounced “pressuring” for a lease to be signed at 10pm, and drafting 12 month contracts permitting rent increases without warning – which Cllr Rayner has since apologised for.

However, the authority’s monitoring officer has since disallowed these parts of the complaint on the grounds they do not fall under the Members Code of Conduct.

Instead, the panel will only consider Cllr Rayner’s non disclosure of interests at council and committee meetings and the improper use of his position as councillor in dealing with council officers.

Mr Dismore said: “The monitoring officer has done this with very minimal explanation, followed by an absolute refusal to even consider very detailed and closely argued representations as to why this is wrong.”

The monitoring officer told Mr Dismore that Cllr Rayner’s dealings with Barnet Homes is irrelevant because Barnet Homes is a separate body from the council.

However, Mr Dismore has argued the social housing provider is owned and funded by the authority.

He also logged a Freedom of Information request asking the council to disclose e-mails between Cllr Rayner, Barnet Council and Barnet Homes, among others, but this was rejected because it was judged too time consuming to search for.

The panel is due to make a decision about the allegations on September 3 – a date Mr Dismore has argued is unfair as he is on holiday.

It is unclear at this stage whether the press and public will be allowed to attend.

He said: “It looks like the ‘defendant’ will be there, but there will be no ‘prosecution’.”

A council spokesperson said: “The council cannot pursue complaints that are not covered by the Members Code of Conduct.  Those parts of Mr Dismore’s complaints that do relate to matters covered by the Code will go before the Group Leaders Panel.”

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9:37pm Thu 7 Aug 14

marccohen53 says...

This Notting Hill resident seems to think the council should run around his holiday plans. He should focus on his job on the GLA instead of making party political attacks.
This Notting Hill resident seems to think the council should run around his holiday plans. He should focus on his job on the GLA instead of making party political attacks. marccohen53
  • Score: -7

11:03pm Thu 7 Aug 14

nlygo says...

Dismore shouldn't just be speaking out Barnet issues, but also Camden. I fear that Camden residents are losing out!

seriously, Cllr Rayner has not broken any rules by his behaviour whilst voting on housing issues.

and the reporter should not be repeating alleged complaints which have been disallowed by the monitoring officer

does Dismore still own a property within Hendon? a prospective parliamentary candidate should not only have a constituency address but should also reside there in order to confirm his commitment to the constituency.

no place of residence in Hendon means no commitment to Hendon
Dismore shouldn't just be speaking out Barnet issues, but also Camden. I fear that Camden residents are losing out! seriously, Cllr Rayner has not broken any rules by his behaviour whilst voting on housing issues. and the reporter should not be repeating alleged complaints which have been disallowed by the monitoring officer does Dismore still own a property within Hendon? a prospective parliamentary candidate should not only have a constituency address but should also reside there in order to confirm his commitment to the constituency. no place of residence in Hendon means no commitment to Hendon nlygo
  • Score: -9

8:10am Fri 8 Aug 14

MayRobinson says...

If someone were arrested and charged for something in a court of law, the paper would cover the trial. If the allegations are dropped during said trial, or if the defendant was found not guilty, the paper would print this to out of fairness to the defendant.

Why should the allegations against Hugh Rayner be any different? He was accused of something and a complaint was lodged, which was reported because it's important for the people of Barnet to know what's going on in their council.

The paper is only printing the allegations Dismore made and not making opinions of their own.
If someone were arrested and charged for something in a court of law, the paper would cover the trial. If the allegations are dropped during said trial, or if the defendant was found not guilty, the paper would print this to out of fairness to the defendant. Why should the allegations against Hugh Rayner be any different? He was accused of something and a complaint was lodged, which was reported because it's important for the people of Barnet to know what's going on in their council. The paper is only printing the allegations Dismore made and not making opinions of their own. MayRobinson
  • Score: -6

9:30am Fri 8 Aug 14

BarnetTrader says...

What a squalid mire of moral abandonment! This council and its supporters are living in complete denial whilst romping away stripping our communities for their financial gain.

They are unable to come up with anything positive, creative or caring. They don't add to the world, they take, take, take like insatiable revolting parasites. It's not a Tory thing, it's a Barnet thing where the moral compass is lost somewhere amidst the debris left by the asset strippers.

It's all so sad and shaming - we live in a borough where we come up with a Rachman as a paradigm of civic probity! If I get wind that he is to visit one of our children's' schools in his dangly gold chains they will be taken out for the duration to protect them from the perversion.
What a squalid mire of moral abandonment! This council and its supporters are living in complete denial whilst romping away stripping our communities for their financial gain. They are unable to come up with anything positive, creative or caring. They don't add to the world, they take, take, take like insatiable revolting parasites. It's not a Tory thing, it's a Barnet thing where the moral compass is lost somewhere amidst the debris left by the asset strippers. It's all so sad and shaming - we live in a borough where we come up with a Rachman as a paradigm of civic probity! If I get wind that he is to visit one of our children's' schools in his dangly gold chains they will be taken out for the duration to protect them from the perversion. BarnetTrader
  • Score: 13

8:30pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Barnet Parker says...

Squalid mire of moral abandonment - fab turn of phrase Barnet Trader.

We've learn to expect that from the councillors but when the monitoring officer - a senior officer of the council (our servant!) can state, "Barnet Homes is a separate body from Barnet Council" the mire reaches Grimpen proportions. Try monitoring Barnet Homes website which says:

"In February 2012 we became part of the Barnet Group, a local authority trading company OWNED by BARNET COUNCIL"

One can already hear the whitewash pot being stirred.

One final question - who monitors the Monitoring Officer?
Squalid mire of moral abandonment - fab turn of phrase Barnet Trader. We've learn to expect that from the councillors but when the monitoring officer - a senior officer of the council (our servant!) can state, "Barnet Homes is a separate body from Barnet Council" the mire reaches Grimpen proportions. Try monitoring Barnet Homes website which says: "In February 2012 we [Barnet Homes] became part of the Barnet Group, a local authority trading company OWNED by BARNET COUNCIL" One can already hear the whitewash pot being stirred. One final question - who monitors the Monitoring Officer? Barnet Parker
  • Score: 11

9:06pm Fri 8 Aug 14

nlygo says...

owned by Barnet Council does not mean run by Barnet Council

responsibility for Barnet Homes lies with the Board of that organisation, not the Council
owned by Barnet Council does not mean run by Barnet Council responsibility for Barnet Homes lies with the Board of that organisation, not the Council nlygo
  • Score: -14

9:24am Sat 9 Aug 14

Rog T says...

Get real Normski! Everyone knows that who pays the piper calls the tune. I'm sure a colossus of your huge intellect realises that
Get real Normski! Everyone knows that who pays the piper calls the tune. I'm sure a colossus of your huge intellect realises that Rog T
  • Score: 10

8:37pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Barnet Parker says...

It looks like I'm not the only one asking who monitors the monitoring officer. Here's Conservative MP Bob Neill in a debate in parliament:

"There is now a situation in which the monitoring officer, who advises the mayor and polices the regime, regularly investigates complaints by a member of the mayor’s cabinet. On the other hand, complaints against members of the group who support the mayor have not been taken forward for investigation, which inevitably raises concerns as to who monitors the monitoring officers in such cases. "

Sounds like Barnet doesn't it, where an opposition councillor is swiftly referred to the police for failure to declare a pertinent point prior to a vote but when the mayor does it the monitoring officer not only fails to take similar action but finds ways to grant him a dispensation.

Actually Bob Neill was referring to Tower Hamlets where Eric Pickles has sent in a team of inspectors. How long before Eric has to do the same here?
It looks like I'm not the only one asking who monitors the monitoring officer. Here's Conservative MP Bob Neill in a debate in parliament: "There is now a situation in which the monitoring officer, who advises the mayor and polices the regime, regularly investigates complaints by a member of the mayor’s cabinet. On the other hand, complaints against members of the group who support the mayor have not been taken forward for investigation, which inevitably raises concerns as to who monitors the monitoring officers in such cases. " Sounds like Barnet doesn't it, where an opposition councillor is swiftly referred to the police for failure to declare a pertinent point prior to a vote but when the mayor does it the monitoring officer not only fails to take similar action but finds ways to grant him a dispensation. Actually Bob Neill was referring to Tower Hamlets where Eric Pickles has sent in a team of inspectors. How long before Eric has to do the same here? Barnet Parker
  • Score: 12

12:49pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Mrs Nasty says...

BarnetTrader wrote:
What a squalid mire of moral abandonment! This council and its supporters are living in complete denial whilst romping away stripping our communities for their financial gain.

They are unable to come up with anything positive, creative or caring. They don't add to the world, they take, take, take like insatiable revolting parasites. It's not a Tory thing, it's a Barnet thing where the moral compass is lost somewhere amidst the debris left by the asset strippers.

It's all so sad and shaming - we live in a borough where we come up with a Rachman as a paradigm of civic probity! If I get wind that he is to visit one of our children's' schools in his dangly gold chains they will be taken out for the duration to protect them from the perversion.
Another delightful gem for BarnetTrader........
..............
"If I get wind the Mayor is visiting one of our children's schools in his
dangly gold chains they'll be taken our for the duration to protect them from the perversion". Really?....... What kind of perversion would that be then? Surely its not the unrelenting amount of hard work and community service given over many years - that would entitle a Councillor to be awarded the highest accolade of Mayor of the community, that couldn't be the issue. Except of course, for the likes of you, where solid hard community WILL be seen as a perversion.
[quote][p][bold]BarnetTrader[/bold] wrote: What a squalid mire of moral abandonment! This council and its supporters are living in complete denial whilst romping away stripping our communities for their financial gain. They are unable to come up with anything positive, creative or caring. They don't add to the world, they take, take, take like insatiable revolting parasites. It's not a Tory thing, it's a Barnet thing where the moral compass is lost somewhere amidst the debris left by the asset strippers. It's all so sad and shaming - we live in a borough where we come up with a Rachman as a paradigm of civic probity! If I get wind that he is to visit one of our children's' schools in his dangly gold chains they will be taken out for the duration to protect them from the perversion.[/p][/quote]Another delightful gem for BarnetTrader........ .............. "If I get wind the Mayor is visiting one of our children's schools in his dangly gold chains they'll be taken our for the duration to protect them from the perversion". Really?....... What kind of perversion would that be then? Surely its not the unrelenting amount of hard work and community service given over many years - that would entitle a Councillor to be awarded the highest accolade of Mayor of the community, that couldn't be the issue. Except of course, for the likes of you, where solid hard community WILL be seen as a perversion. Mrs Nasty
  • Score: -13

4:57pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Mrs Nasty says...

Barnet Parker wrote:
It looks like I'm not the only one asking who monitors the monitoring officer. Here's Conservative MP Bob Neill in a debate in parliament:

"There is now a situation in which the monitoring officer, who advises the mayor and polices the regime, regularly investigates complaints by a member of the mayor’s cabinet. On the other hand, complaints against members of the group who support the mayor have not been taken forward for investigation, which inevitably raises concerns as to who monitors the monitoring officers in such cases. "

Sounds like Barnet doesn't it, where an opposition councillor is swiftly referred to the police for failure to declare a pertinent point prior to a vote but when the mayor does it the monitoring officer not only fails to take similar action but finds ways to grant him a dispensation.

Actually Bob Neill was referring to Tower Hamlets where Eric Pickles has sent in a team of inspectors. How long before Eric has to do the same here?
Rest assured, not any time soon! Neither the Police nor Barnet's Monitoring Officer can find any case to answer against The Mayor's conduct. Why? Because the whole gamut of accusations painstakingly cooked up by Dismore over 3.5 months, were, typically for him, over ambitious. Having left his legal career unable to hack that, his libellous allegations remain unfounded and unsubstantiated. Enraged at his own naivety.... has tried to save face, and that of the equally gullible, Hendon Times, by producing an over long piece about the ineffectiveness of the Council, the MO, the Leader, and the Cabinet. An interesting point in itself - considering Dismore couldn't sustain a career in the Legal profession and lost his own Parliamentary seat.......... and as for you Barnet Parker - is it not a little hypocritical to advocate wasting much needed public funds on investigating unfounded accusations comprising solely of Dismore's heresay?
[quote][p][bold]Barnet Parker[/bold] wrote: It looks like I'm not the only one asking who monitors the monitoring officer. Here's Conservative MP Bob Neill in a debate in parliament: "There is now a situation in which the monitoring officer, who advises the mayor and polices the regime, regularly investigates complaints by a member of the mayor’s cabinet. On the other hand, complaints against members of the group who support the mayor have not been taken forward for investigation, which inevitably raises concerns as to who monitors the monitoring officers in such cases. " Sounds like Barnet doesn't it, where an opposition councillor is swiftly referred to the police for failure to declare a pertinent point prior to a vote but when the mayor does it the monitoring officer not only fails to take similar action but finds ways to grant him a dispensation. Actually Bob Neill was referring to Tower Hamlets where Eric Pickles has sent in a team of inspectors. How long before Eric has to do the same here?[/p][/quote]Rest assured, not any time soon! Neither the Police nor Barnet's Monitoring Officer can find any case to answer against The Mayor's conduct. Why? Because the whole gamut of accusations painstakingly cooked up by Dismore over 3.5 months, were, typically for him, over ambitious. Having left his legal career unable to hack that, his libellous allegations remain unfounded and unsubstantiated. Enraged at his own naivety.... has tried to save face, and that of the equally gullible, Hendon Times, by producing an over long piece about the ineffectiveness of the Council, the MO, the Leader, and the Cabinet. An interesting point in itself - considering Dismore couldn't sustain a career in the Legal profession and lost his own Parliamentary seat.......... and as for you Barnet Parker - is it not a little hypocritical to advocate wasting much needed public funds on investigating unfounded accusations comprising solely of Dismore's heresay? Mrs Nasty
  • Score: -11

7:05pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Mrs Nasty says...

Andrew Dismore , where, oh where were you last Sunday 4th August?
Not, it seems at the Civic Service of Commemoration and Reconciliation at St John the Baptist Church in Chipping Barnet - to which you were formally invited. It was a time and place where hundreds of caring residents and dignitaries gathered to mark the commencement WW1 a turning point in history that caused incomprehensible suffering and millions of lives in the name of 'freedom' for us all. An event that spared no family.
This, however, was not for you - even being too cowardly to send apologies. Your absence must have delighted your buddies at the Hendon Times who were there. The Curate, assuming your presence thanked you publicly for attending. A bad move matey and shows the wider audience your interests are everywhere but
the community. Even Boris Johnson has made it plain publicly that he, and members of The Assembly are tired of your negativity - asking you to focus on your responsibilities as part of the assembly. You appear to be disliked and not respected.. Another Dismore triumph!
Andrew Dismore , where, oh where were you last Sunday 4th August? Not, it seems at the Civic Service of Commemoration and Reconciliation at St John the Baptist Church in Chipping Barnet - to which you were formally invited. It was a time and place where hundreds of caring residents and dignitaries gathered to mark the commencement WW1 a turning point in history that caused incomprehensible suffering and millions of lives in the name of 'freedom' for us all. An event that spared no family. This, however, was not for you - even being too cowardly to send apologies. Your absence must have delighted your buddies at the Hendon Times who were there. The Curate, assuming your presence thanked you publicly for attending. A bad move matey and shows the wider audience your interests are everywhere but the community. Even Boris Johnson has made it plain publicly that he, and members of The Assembly are tired of your negativity - asking you to focus on your responsibilities as part of the assembly. You appear to be disliked and not respected.. Another Dismore triumph! Mrs Nasty
  • Score: -6

9:38pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Barnet Parker says...

How curious Mrs Nasty that you know the outcome of the investigation a month before the panel meets to reach a conclusion. The fix is in is it?
How curious Mrs Nasty that you know the outcome of the investigation a month before the panel meets to reach a conclusion. The fix is in is it? Barnet Parker
  • Score: 6

2:17am Mon 11 Aug 14

Mrs Nasty says...

Barnet Parker wrote:
How curious Mrs Nasty that you know the outcome of the investigation a month before the panel meets to reach a conclusion. The fix is in is it?
Dear BP - forgive me but.....you are not 'listening' are you?
[quote][p][bold]Barnet Parker[/bold] wrote: How curious Mrs Nasty that you know the outcome of the investigation a month before the panel meets to reach a conclusion. The fix is in is it?[/p][/quote]Dear BP - forgive me but.....you are not 'listening' are you? Mrs Nasty
  • Score: -6

2:18am Mon 11 Aug 14

Mrs Nasty says...

Barnet Parker wrote:
How curious Mrs Nasty that you know the outcome of the investigation a month before the panel meets to reach a conclusion. The fix is in is it?
Dear BP - forgive me but.....you are not 'listening' are you?
[quote][p][bold]Barnet Parker[/bold] wrote: How curious Mrs Nasty that you know the outcome of the investigation a month before the panel meets to reach a conclusion. The fix is in is it?[/p][/quote]Dear BP - forgive me but.....you are not 'listening' are you? Mrs Nasty
  • Score: -7

7:40am Mon 11 Aug 14

gingis says...

Hard work and community service given over many years?????
Dear me Mrs Nasty!!
Rayner like many of the Councillors has only been around a few years.
Since possibly when the Councillors allowances were raised to such a level they would not have to do a proper job as well.
If the system just reverted back to doing the job for the community without a large salary, how many would run for the hills looking for another bucket of swill to stick their snouts into?
Most of the newer Councillors across all party's me thinks.
Hard work and community service given over many years????? Dear me Mrs Nasty!! Rayner like many of the Councillors has only been around a few years. Since possibly when the Councillors allowances were raised to such a level they would not have to do a proper job as well. If the system just reverted back to doing the job for the community without a large salary, how many would run for the hills looking for another bucket of swill to stick their snouts into? Most of the newer Councillors across all party's me thinks. gingis
  • Score: 5

11:39am Mon 11 Aug 14

Mrs Nasty says...

gingis wrote:
Hard work and community service given over many years?????
Dear me Mrs Nasty!!
Rayner like many of the Councillors has only been around a few years.
Since possibly when the Councillors allowances were raised to such a level they would not have to do a proper job as well.
If the system just reverted back to doing the job for the community without a large salary, how many would run for the hills looking for another bucket of swill to stick their snouts into?
Most of the newer Councillors across all party's me thinks.
Following that comment perhaps it better for you not to think - For info, Cllr Rayner has worked solidly in his Ward for well over 10 years, and been a Councillor for most of that time.
many Councillors do need to rely on their job as the main source of their income (unless of course retired). In any event, it strikes me being a Councillor must be a thankless task - where ones dedicated hours spent on behalf of residents is never enough, with the main paymaster being open criticism...........
....................
........ Fancy it?
[quote][p][bold]gingis[/bold] wrote: Hard work and community service given over many years????? Dear me Mrs Nasty!! Rayner like many of the Councillors has only been around a few years. Since possibly when the Councillors allowances were raised to such a level they would not have to do a proper job as well. If the system just reverted back to doing the job for the community without a large salary, how many would run for the hills looking for another bucket of swill to stick their snouts into? Most of the newer Councillors across all party's me thinks.[/p][/quote]Following that comment perhaps it better for you not to think - For info, Cllr Rayner has worked solidly in his Ward for well over 10 years, and been a Councillor for most of that time. many Councillors do need to rely on their job as the main source of their income (unless of course retired). In any event, it strikes me being a Councillor must be a thankless task - where ones dedicated hours spent on behalf of residents is never enough, with the main paymaster being open criticism........... .................... ........ Fancy it? Mrs Nasty
  • Score: -5

2:01pm Mon 11 Aug 14

AverageBarnetResident says...

Just like Dean Cohen, Rayner has done nothing wrong at all.

This whole thing is a storm in a teacup, dreamt up by Dismore's cronies in Barnet in order to try and force a conservative councillor out of his seat. It won't work, of course, but it won't stop the Labour bloggers from trying. Once Rayner is cleared they'll move onto someone else.

It's a shame that this type of personal attack is what now passes as "political opposition" from Barnet's Labour party and its gaggle of loony agitators.

PS - Mrs Nasty, the majority of the Labour bloggers that comment on here are failed councillors. Too scared of further failure to try again, they have become what is known as internet "trolls". Sad, really.
Just like Dean Cohen, Rayner has done nothing wrong at all. This whole thing is a storm in a teacup, dreamt up by Dismore's cronies in Barnet in order to try and force a conservative councillor out of his seat. It won't work, of course, but it won't stop the Labour bloggers from trying. Once Rayner is cleared they'll move onto someone else. It's a shame that this type of personal attack is what now passes as "political opposition" from Barnet's Labour party and its gaggle of loony agitators. PS - Mrs Nasty, the majority of the Labour bloggers that comment on here are failed councillors. Too scared of further failure to try again, they have become what is known as internet "trolls". Sad, really. AverageBarnetResident
  • Score: -7

4:09pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Rog T says...

AWB
Who are these mythical 'Labour Bloggers' who have commented on this blog? When has any Barnet blogger stood as a Labour Candidate and failed to get elected?

Only in your mythical fantasy world. Sad really that people have to tell porkies
AWB Who are these mythical 'Labour Bloggers' who have commented on this blog? When has any Barnet blogger stood as a Labour Candidate and failed to get elected? Only in your mythical fantasy world. Sad really that people have to tell porkies Rog T
  • Score: 1

4:44pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Mrs Nasty says...

AverageBarnetResiden
t
wrote:
Just like Dean Cohen, Rayner has done nothing wrong at all.

This whole thing is a storm in a teacup, dreamt up by Dismore's cronies in Barnet in order to try and force a conservative councillor out of his seat. It won't work, of course, but it won't stop the Labour bloggers from trying. Once Rayner is cleared they'll move onto someone else.

It's a shame that this type of personal attack is what now passes as "political opposition" from Barnet's Labour party and its gaggle of loony agitators.

PS - Mrs Nasty, the majority of the Labour bloggers that comment on here are failed councillors. Too scared of further failure to try again, they have become what is known as internet "trolls". Sad, really.
Dear ABR , thank you for this - I of course understand, and reading this lot its not hard to see why........... failed that is! Anyhow they're value added for the local press, and of course any labour wannabe!
[quote][p][bold]AverageBarnetResiden t[/bold] wrote: Just like Dean Cohen, Rayner has done nothing wrong at all. This whole thing is a storm in a teacup, dreamt up by Dismore's cronies in Barnet in order to try and force a conservative councillor out of his seat. It won't work, of course, but it won't stop the Labour bloggers from trying. Once Rayner is cleared they'll move onto someone else. It's a shame that this type of personal attack is what now passes as "political opposition" from Barnet's Labour party and its gaggle of loony agitators. PS - Mrs Nasty, the majority of the Labour bloggers that comment on here are failed councillors. Too scared of further failure to try again, they have become what is known as internet "trolls". Sad, really.[/p][/quote]Dear ABR , thank you for this - I of course understand, and reading this lot its not hard to see why........... failed that is! Anyhow they're value added for the local press, and of course any labour wannabe! Mrs Nasty
  • Score: -2

6:40pm Mon 11 Aug 14

gingis says...

Dear Rog T,

Just in case you were referring to me in your post.

I have never ever supported Labour and will never do so.

Just sick of this administration and the new breed of Councillors from all groups in it for their own gain.

In my day a Councillor became a Councilor to serve the community and try and make a difference.
Not get paid for doing nothing, paid for Not attending meetings and did not vote on issues which will give them a pecuniary advantage.

Councillors WERE local people who lived locally and were genuinely interested in local issues, true ladies and gentlemen.
Unfortunately there are few of the old school Councillors left now.

Love to know who Mrs (Councillor) Nasty is.
Its not old Brian is it?
Dear Rog T, Just in case you were referring to me in your post. I have never ever supported Labour and will never do so. Just sick of this administration and the new breed of Councillors from all groups in it for their own gain. In my day a Councillor became a Councilor to serve the community and try and make a difference. Not get paid for doing nothing, paid for Not attending meetings and did not vote on issues which will give them a pecuniary advantage. Councillors WERE local people who lived locally and were genuinely interested in local issues, true ladies and gentlemen. Unfortunately there are few of the old school Councillors left now. Love to know who Mrs (Councillor) Nasty is. Its not old Brian is it? gingis
  • Score: 6

2:33am Tue 12 Aug 14

Mrs Nasty says...

gingis wrote:
Dear Rog T,

Just in case you were referring to me in your post.

I have never ever supported Labour and will never do so.

Just sick of this administration and the new breed of Councillors from all groups in it for their own gain.

In my day a Councillor became a Councilor to serve the community and try and make a difference.
Not get paid for doing nothing, paid for Not attending meetings and did not vote on issues which will give them a pecuniary advantage.

Councillors WERE local people who lived locally and were genuinely interested in local issues, true ladies and gentlemen.
Unfortunately there are few of the old school Councillors left now.

Love to know who Mrs (Councillor) Nasty is.
Its not old Brian is it?
Oh come on gingis............ try again!
[quote][p][bold]gingis[/bold] wrote: Dear Rog T, Just in case you were referring to me in your post. I have never ever supported Labour and will never do so. Just sick of this administration and the new breed of Councillors from all groups in it for their own gain. In my day a Councillor became a Councilor to serve the community and try and make a difference. Not get paid for doing nothing, paid for Not attending meetings and did not vote on issues which will give them a pecuniary advantage. Councillors WERE local people who lived locally and were genuinely interested in local issues, true ladies and gentlemen. Unfortunately there are few of the old school Councillors left now. Love to know who Mrs (Councillor) Nasty is. Its not old Brian is it?[/p][/quote]Oh come on gingis............ try again! Mrs Nasty
  • Score: -4

7:27am Tue 12 Aug 14

Rog T says...

I'm sworn to secrecy on who all of these morons are !
I'm sworn to secrecy on who all of these morons are ! Rog T
  • Score: 3

10:34am Tue 12 Aug 14

nlygo says...

Mrs Nasty posting a comment at 2.33 a.m.?

go to bed!
Mrs Nasty posting a comment at 2.33 a.m.? go to bed! nlygo
  • Score: 4

12:02pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Mrs Nasty says...

Rog T wrote:
I'm sworn to secrecy on who all of these morons are !
Rog T - aah! that's sweet - talking of morons - your repeated headline about Cllr Rayner getting £58k in benefits is.....not only mischievous, but the spin put on his income is a massive lie.
£58k is clearly PAYMENT received for RENT......you know......the thing paid for use of someone else's property. In this case it happens to be received from people unable to support themselves and require benefits to pay their rent. Got it now?
[quote][p][bold]Rog T[/bold] wrote: I'm sworn to secrecy on who all of these morons are ![/p][/quote]Rog T - aah! that's sweet - talking of morons - your repeated headline about Cllr Rayner getting £58k in benefits is.....not only mischievous, but the spin put on his income is a massive lie. £58k is clearly PAYMENT received for RENT......you know......the thing paid for use of someone else's property. In this case it happens to be received from people unable to support themselves and require benefits to pay their rent. Got it now? Mrs Nasty
  • Score: -5

1:04pm Tue 12 Aug 14

AverageBarnetResident says...

Mrs Nasty, I wouldn't bother if I were you. Rog T is a liar plain and simple.

He claims to know who we all are, but apparently also thinks I am the deputy leader of the council!?

Talk about dillusional!
Mrs Nasty, I wouldn't bother if I were you. Rog T is a liar plain and simple. He claims to know who we all are, but apparently also thinks I am the deputy leader of the council!? Talk about dillusional! AverageBarnetResident
  • Score: -5

2:01pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Rog T says...

Well the morons are clearly in a frenzy now, arent they! You see if AWB wants to call me a liar, the emphasis is on him to prove it. if he read my comments properly, he'd realise I've not called anyone anything. He has simply jumped to that conclusion and is being very very defensive. If he wants to end all speculation, He can do this very easily by ceasing to hide behind an anon id. You would think he'd be proud to let us all know the genius behind his witty remarks. As for the nasty moron? No one has criticised Rayner for receiving rent. He has been criticised for his business practices andhis failure to declare an interest when votes an policy have been made. It seems that the morons just dont get it.
Well the morons are clearly in a frenzy now, arent they! You see if AWB wants to call me a liar, the emphasis is on him to prove it. if he read my comments properly, he'd realise I've not called anyone anything. He has simply jumped to that conclusion and is being very very defensive. If he wants to end all speculation, He can do this very easily by ceasing to hide behind an anon id. You would think he'd be proud to let us all know the genius behind his witty remarks. As for the nasty moron? No one has criticised Rayner for receiving rent. He has been criticised for his business practices andhis failure to declare an interest when votes an policy have been made. It seems that the morons just dont get it. Rog T
  • Score: 7

5:18pm Tue 12 Aug 14

AverageBarnetResident says...

Backtrack much Rog!?

It seems you are quite happy to criticise councillors from the safety of your living room, but don't like it when the tables are turned on you...

I have nothing to prove. The statements you have made are untrue, ergo you are a liar. I'm sorry if that hurts, my dear.
Backtrack much Rog!? It seems you are quite happy to criticise councillors from the safety of your living room, but don't like it when the tables are turned on you... I have nothing to prove. The statements you have made are untrue, ergo you are a liar. I'm sorry if that hurts, my dear. AverageBarnetResident
  • Score: -6

7:53pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Mrs Nasty says...

Rog T wrote:
Well the morons are clearly in a frenzy now, arent they! You see if AWB wants to call me a liar, the emphasis is on him to prove it. if he read my comments properly, he'd realise I've not called anyone anything. He has simply jumped to that conclusion and is being very very defensive. If he wants to end all speculation, He can do this very easily by ceasing to hide behind an anon id. You would think he'd be proud to let us all know the genius behind his witty remarks. As for the nasty moron? No one has criticised Rayner for receiving rent. He has been criticised for his business practices andhis failure to declare an interest when votes an policy have been made. It seems that the morons just dont get it.
Hi there Rog ... all I ask is .....get up to speed - did you not read the MO's Report? The very one that has so frustrated Dismore. It says....Cllr Rayner did NOT fail to declare his business interests insofar as he is required to do so. As for the rest of the accusations they are subject to Dismore's spin, and that of his moronic bedfellow, The Hendon Times.
Anyhow time to discuss the miserable Burnt Oak Labour Councillor who snatched Cllr Rayner's Tenant's Lease and took to Dismore - this is in absolute breach of the Councillors Code of Practice on confidentially,
but as its a Labour Councillor in breach - The balanced reporting of the Hendon Times hasn't even raised it!
[quote][p][bold]Rog T[/bold] wrote: Well the morons are clearly in a frenzy now, arent they! You see if AWB wants to call me a liar, the emphasis is on him to prove it. if he read my comments properly, he'd realise I've not called anyone anything. He has simply jumped to that conclusion and is being very very defensive. If he wants to end all speculation, He can do this very easily by ceasing to hide behind an anon id. You would think he'd be proud to let us all know the genius behind his witty remarks. As for the nasty moron? No one has criticised Rayner for receiving rent. He has been criticised for his business practices andhis failure to declare an interest when votes an policy have been made. It seems that the morons just dont get it.[/p][/quote]Hi there Rog ... all I ask is .....get up to speed - did you not read the MO's Report? The very one that has so frustrated Dismore. It says....Cllr Rayner did NOT fail to declare his business interests insofar as he is required to do so. As for the rest of the accusations they are subject to Dismore's spin, and that of his moronic bedfellow, The Hendon Times. Anyhow time to discuss the miserable Burnt Oak Labour Councillor who snatched Cllr Rayner's Tenant's Lease and took to Dismore - this is in absolute breach of the Councillors Code of Practice on confidentially, but as its a Labour Councillor in breach - The balanced reporting of the Hendon Times hasn't even raised it! Mrs Nasty
  • Score: -3

8:10pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Rog T says...

AWB you know what you are and so do I ( a cowardly moron who hides behind an anonymous ID). You make an allegation, back it up. What is the big secret as to who you are.

As to Ms Nasty, your name is very apt given the business practices you condone. If you believe a Labour Councillor has breached a code of practice, then report and name and shame. If you have no evidence, then you are a very dishonest person.

Keep up the good work guys !
AWB you know what you are and so do I ( a cowardly moron who hides behind an anonymous ID). You make an allegation, back it up. What is the big secret as to who you are. As to Ms Nasty, your name is very apt given the business practices you condone. If you believe a Labour Councillor has breached a code of practice, then report and name and shame. If you have no evidence, then you are a very dishonest person. Keep up the good work guys ! Rog T
  • Score: 4

9:37pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Rog T says...

It is quite laughable really. Do these "anonymous" internet trolls who are too gutless to reallys ay who they are seriously think I give an FF about their comments. Ever since I first started writing a blog on the Barnet Times website they've been calling me every name under the sun. It is quite funny because all they've managed to do is keep the Rayner story on the most read list, by constantly commenting. A casual rader wil see the dozens of comments and think "that must be an interesting story". Thanks guys for giving the story legs and making sure it has maximum visibility. Doh !!!!

They really are a bunch of thickies aren't they.
It is quite laughable really. Do these "anonymous" internet trolls who are too gutless to reallys ay who they are seriously think I give an FF about their comments. Ever since I first started writing a blog on the Barnet Times website they've been calling me every name under the sun. It is quite funny because all they've managed to do is keep the Rayner story on the most read list, by constantly commenting. A casual rader wil see the dozens of comments and think "that must be an interesting story". Thanks guys for giving the story legs and making sure it has maximum visibility. Doh !!!! They really are a bunch of thickies aren't they. Rog T
  • Score: 6

10:41pm Tue 12 Aug 14

nlygo says...

the unnamed Burnt Oak Councillor was elected for the first time in May. so work it out for yourself.
the unnamed Burnt Oak Councillor was elected for the first time in May. so work it out for yourself. nlygo
  • Score: 0

8:58am Wed 13 Aug 14

Rog T says...

Well Normster, if its true I think we both agree that he's a very naughty boy! Lets hope the standards committee impose the same harsh punishments that they dished out to Brian Coleman on the numerous occasions when he was found guilty of being naughty!
Well Normster, if its true I think we both agree that he's a very naughty boy! Lets hope the standards committee impose the same harsh punishments that they dished out to Brian Coleman on the numerous occasions when he was found guilty of being naughty! Rog T
  • Score: 6

1:07pm Wed 13 Aug 14

AverageBarnetResident says...

Blimey Rog, you are in quite a tizzy now, aren't you? Any concept of grammar completely abandoned in your rage. And you deign to call others "thickies"!?

I'm afraid I will not be disclosing my real name as I know what some of left wing loonies are capable of. I really don't want these nutjobs turning up at my front door and upsetting my family.

In any case, you claim to know who I am already. Or maybe that was another lie...?

Finally, I am glad that the story has been read so much. It is important to know that Rayner, much like Dean Cohen, has done nothing wrong.
Blimey Rog, you are in quite a tizzy now, aren't you? Any concept of grammar completely abandoned in your rage. And you deign to call others "thickies"!? I'm afraid I will not be disclosing my real name as I know what some of left wing loonies are capable of. I really don't want these nutjobs turning up at my front door and upsetting my family. In any case, you claim to know who I am already. Or maybe that was another lie...? Finally, I am glad that the story has been read so much. It is important to know that Rayner, much like Dean Cohen, has done nothing wrong. AverageBarnetResident
  • Score: -3

2:00pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Rog T says...

AWB. Ironic. Check your own use of grammar before throwing stones. Wally
AWB. Ironic. Check your own use of grammar before throwing stones. Wally Rog T
  • Score: 3

1:54pm Thu 14 Aug 14

AverageBarnetResident says...

My grammar is correct, thank you.

Is that it from you then? All out of puff? Still no (truthful) comment on the actual story?

We're waiting...
My grammar is correct, thank you. Is that it from you then? All out of puff? Still no (truthful) comment on the actual story? We're waiting... AverageBarnetResident
  • Score: -2

2:46pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Rog T says...

AWB you clearly dont understand how to structure sentence. You also have difficulty understanding business ethics. You also clearly dont understand the concept of conflicts of interest. Finally you are clearly untrustworthy and cowardly given your lame excuse for not revealing your identity. The only person I know who has been physically assaulted in Barnet for their political campaigning is Helen Michael when a Tory councillor attacked her. You can lie and deceive all you like, but that is a matter of public record.
AWB you clearly dont understand how to structure sentence. You also have difficulty understanding business ethics. You also clearly dont understand the concept of conflicts of interest. Finally you are clearly untrustworthy and cowardly given your lame excuse for not revealing your identity. The only person I know who has been physically assaulted in Barnet for their political campaigning is Helen Michael when a Tory councillor attacked her. You can lie and deceive all you like, but that is a matter of public record. Rog T
  • Score: 2

5:29pm Wed 20 Aug 14

tomlucas says...

Times Series.....Get your facts right

A landlord does not receive housing benefit. He just receives rent.
A tenant may receive housing benefit and use it as rent.
A tenant may receive housing benefit and ask for it to be sent directly to the landlord.
The landlord is still receiving rent.
Headlines suggesting otherwise are misleading – to say the least.

Let us be quite clear – this attack by Mr Dismore, a labour want-to-be-MP, on Cllr Rayner, a conservative councillor, is no more than a political attack by labour on the conservatives creating a bandwagon for every anti-conservative blogger and pressure group to climb on. It has nothing to do with what Mr Rayner has done or has not done as a landlord. Mr Dismore wants to be an MP in 2015 and the local labour party and their "mouthpiece" Times Series are miffed at narrowly missing out regaining control of the council and are trying to remedy the situation by coercing one or more of the conservative councillors to resign.
Times Series.....Get your facts right A landlord does not receive housing benefit. He just receives rent. A tenant may receive housing benefit and use it as rent. A tenant may receive housing benefit and ask for it to be sent directly to the landlord. The landlord is still receiving rent. Headlines suggesting otherwise are misleading – to say the least. Let us be quite clear – this attack by Mr Dismore, a labour want-to-be-MP, on Cllr Rayner, a conservative councillor, is no more than a political attack by labour on the conservatives creating a bandwagon for every anti-conservative blogger and pressure group to climb on. It has nothing to do with what Mr Rayner has done or has not done as a landlord. Mr Dismore wants to be an MP in 2015 and the local labour party and their "mouthpiece" Times Series are miffed at narrowly missing out regaining control of the council and are trying to remedy the situation by coercing one or more of the conservative councillors to resign. tomlucas
  • Score: 20

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