Calls for referendum as Vince Cable expresses Gloriana concerns

Boathouse plans: Have merit but raise concerns

Boathouse plans: Have merit but raise concerns

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Twickenham MP Vince Cable has spoken out about his concerns over Richmond Council’s plans to provide a permanent home for the Gloriana.

The Business Secretary visited Orleans House Gallery on Sunday, July 20, and came away with the view the scheme is not in the interests of Twickenham.

Dr Cable admitted the plans appear to have merit, but raised concerns over access routes.

He said: “It looks to be a good idea to have the old Royal Barge housed on a new dock in Twickenham, but the access road is too narrow and congested for visitors.

“This is a prestige project costing £1m in capital and potentially annual support.

“And it is at the expense of green space in one of the best-loved parts of the borough.”

The MP of 17 years had previously said he hoped the project could be organised in a way that avoided major negative impact at the Orleans Riverside location.

Richmond Park MP Zac Goldsmith feels the council must take their decision on the Queen’s Royal Barge based on the “wishes of the community”.

Mandie Adams McGuire, of the newly-formed Friends of Orleans Riverside, called for cross-party support in condemning the council’s plans.

She said: “Obviously we are delighted Dr Cable has come out condemning the proposed boathouse because it is obviously in a very impractical area.

“We stand by the fact we are non-political and hope the other parties will come out against the proposals.

“People feel the consultation is very misleading and is designed to confuse people.”

She added a possible referendum, similar to the one organised in 2009 over controversial plans to develop Twickenham Riverside, is something to be discussed.

The council’s consultation ends at the end of August, when Lord True and his colleagues will consider responses.

Councillor Pamela Fleming, council cabinet member for environment, said the majority of people in Twickenham “would love to see the Gloriana”.

She said: “It is a minority of people voicing their opposition to the proposals, we respect their views and do want to work with them.

“The consultation is an opportunity for people to have their say so we can go back to the architects and say ‘People like this but don’t like x, y and z’.

“There might be questions like ‘How can it not be so high?’, but all these are part of a detailed planning application.

“We have a good record of listening – we listened over Heatham House.”

The South Richmond councillor has been subject to questioning over exactly when she knew of Lord True’s plans for the boat.

She said: “I have said before that I knew that we wanted to bring the Gloriana to Twickenham.

“I knew the leader was very keen to bring Gloriana to the borough quite a few months ago, but I didn’t know the details or specific sites being looked at.

“It was mentioned in the context of the river park before the election and it is not true that we kept it back.”

A petition opposing the Gloriana boathouse development has gathered more than 1,250 signatures.

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7:46am Sat 2 Aug 14

dellboy twick. says...

Would councillor Fleming please explain exactly how many is "the majority of twickenham who would love to see the gloriana", and how was this information obtained?
Seeing the gloriana pass by is one thing, losing part of Orleans garden is another. Look at the artists' impression of the boathouse all 7 metres high and 30+ metres long,it should have a fence around it, and the lady in bottom left must be on some sort of platform. Artistic licence gone mad.
The freedom of information requests show e-mails in April 2012 action on the gloriana was under way, by October Lord Stirling was commenting on detailed plans of the "gothic site".
The gloriana is only mentioned in committee in may and june 2014, in which the £50 K cap on monies allocated was lifted.
So, who, how and when was that money approved and by which committee?
Having an informal chat about the gloriana is not the same as putting a proposal before the council.
Would councillor Fleming please explain exactly how many is "the majority of twickenham who would love to see the gloriana", and how was this information obtained? Seeing the gloriana pass by is one thing, losing part of Orleans garden is another. Look at the artists' impression of the boathouse all 7 metres high and 30+ metres long,it should have a fence around it, and the lady in bottom left must be on some sort of platform. Artistic licence gone mad. The freedom of information requests show e-mails in April 2012 action on the gloriana was under way, by October Lord Stirling was commenting on detailed plans of the "gothic site". The gloriana is only mentioned in committee in may and june 2014, in which the £50 K cap on monies allocated was lifted. So, who, how and when was that money approved and by which committee? Having an informal chat about the gloriana is not the same as putting a proposal before the council. dellboy twick.
  • Score: 8

5:11pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Sanity99 says...

I visited the area today to see what all the fuss is about. I was shocked that self-righteous nimbys had taken it on themselves to fix tatty flyers to trees using industrial staple guns. So much for the environment. The area is in need of a good brush up that the Gloriana project would achieve. If locals all are so up in arms, why don't they look after the area better? Much of the area is so muddy after rain as to be impassable.
I visited the area today to see what all the fuss is about. I was shocked that self-righteous nimbys had taken it on themselves to fix tatty flyers to trees using industrial staple guns. So much for the environment. The area is in need of a good brush up that the Gloriana project would achieve. If locals all are so up in arms, why don't they look after the area better? Much of the area is so muddy after rain as to be impassable. Sanity99
  • Score: -8

9:31am Mon 4 Aug 14

Concerned_Resident says...

That's Lord True for you. I wouldn't even trust him to give a bag of sweets to his kids without eating the good ones first. And yet, here he is, throwing cash around like it was sweets. Nasty, dishonest, scheming, slimy - all great words to describe him.
That's Lord True for you. I wouldn't even trust him to give a bag of sweets to his kids without eating the good ones first. And yet, here he is, throwing cash around like it was sweets. Nasty, dishonest, scheming, slimy - all great words to describe him. Concerned_Resident
  • Score: 2

9:55am Mon 4 Aug 14

bandit63 says...

Sanity99 - the whole idea is that Orleans House gardens are supposed to be left a bit wild to encourage some wildlife. Also, did you notice how narrow the roads are in the area? The area is also subject to regular flooding due to the location of the Thames. That's why the old houses near the White Swan are built up. It is not the right area for it. The slipway nearer the Barmy Arms or Brentford are better locations. Whilst I agree that stapling leaflets to trees is a bit poor, the area is one of the last hsitorical parts of the tidal riverbank. That's besides the fact the council can find money for this project, yet there are potholes everywhere, social care is being cut, good day centres are being closed and so on...
Sanity99 - the whole idea is that Orleans House gardens are supposed to be left a bit wild to encourage some wildlife. Also, did you notice how narrow the roads are in the area? The area is also subject to regular flooding due to the location of the Thames. That's why the old houses near the White Swan are built up. It is not the right area for it. The slipway nearer the Barmy Arms or Brentford are better locations. Whilst I agree that stapling leaflets to trees is a bit poor, the area is one of the last hsitorical parts of the tidal riverbank. That's besides the fact the council can find money for this project, yet there are potholes everywhere, social care is being cut, good day centres are being closed and so on... bandit63
  • Score: 6

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