'Super' foxes shot dead in Danson Park after burrowing into lake banks risking 'serious' flooding to 80 homes

A spokesman for Bexley Pest Control said: “ I have worked in pest control for more than 20 years and never heard of foxes burrowing that deep, they would have to be super foxes to do that.

The banks of Danson Lake where the foxes were burrowing.

David Chamberlain, 54, of Danson Lane, said: "The traps were very loud, imagine a gate clanging, that is how loud it was and I heard it twice from my house.

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A group of 'super' foxes was shot dead in Danson Park after burrowing into the banks of the lake, risking "serious" flooding to 80 homes.

B & D Pest Control disposed of 14 foxes which had dug deep holes into Danson Dam, having been called out by Bexley Council because it was an emergency.

Worried neighbours could hear the shots from afar and have labelled the act "inhumane" and "sickening".

David Chamberlain, 54, of Danson Lane, said: "The traps were very loud, imagine a gate clanging, that is how loud it was and I heard it twice from my house.

"I was quite shocked because the park is full of wildlife

"The park is a nature reserve and you expect there to be wildlife.

"I think it's inhumane and sickening."

Urban wildlife consultant John Bryant is working with Bexley Council on what to do in the future for the area after the incident on June 16.

He said: "I went up to Danson Park years ago and they had the same problem.

"Shooting the foxes is pointless because within three days new ones will move in.

"The burrowing into the embankment will weaken it and the foxes will keep digging if they can.

"The bank needs to be dealt with it and that is what I will be looking at with the council."

A spokesman for Bexley Pest Control said: “ I have worked in pest control for more than 20 years and never heard of foxes burrowing that deep, they would have to be super foxes to do that.

“They normally burrow under garden sheds, I have never heard of them causing structural damage.

"It is illegal to move foxes from one area to another, they have to be disposed of." 

A Department for Environment, Food & Rural Affairs policy statement in 2010 said: "Previous attempts to kill urban foxes to achieve a sustained population reduction have not been successful in the long-term because of the mobility of foxes and their ability to produce offspring in large numbers; territories made vacant by culling resident foxes are rapidly colonised by new individuals.

"The most effective strategies to resolve fox problems have primarily relied on non-lethal methods, focusing on preventative and deterrent strategies."

A Bexley Council spokesman said: "During one of the regular inspections of the dam it was revealed that foxes had burrowed deep into the clay and soil that make up the embankment behind the dam.

"The damage was enough to cause serious concern.

"Should the dam break, up to 80 houses downstream would be at serious risk of flooding, major disruption would occur.

"Danson Road would be closed to traffic and the lake itself, a valuable habitat for wildlife, would suffer catastrophic damage.

"This was an unusual situation and had not occurred before at the park.

"B & D Pest Control carried out the operation using approved methods.

"They are licensed to use firearms with considerable experience in this kind of pest control.

"The company informed Bexleyheath police who raised no objections and the foxes were humanely destroyed on the night of the operation using firearms.

"‘Our engineers are now in discussion with a wildlife specialist to find a longer term solution that will discourage future attention from foxes."

Bexley Police said they were aware of the incident.

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12:27pm Tue 8 Jul 14

PaulErith says...

I bet the News Shopper editor takes great pleasure in publishing this story what with the history of anti-fox related articles.
I bet the News Shopper editor takes great pleasure in publishing this story what with the history of anti-fox related articles. PaulErith
  • Score: 34

12:46pm Tue 8 Jul 14

RVD420 says...

oh shizzle not just foxes but super foxes
oh shizzle not just foxes but super foxes RVD420
  • Score: 14

12:51pm Tue 8 Jul 14

kentlad says...

Why not just trap them and move them onto a larger woodland area near by? i agree with Mr Chambelain's comments above i also feel this was very
inhumane. No doubt within a few weeks another family of foxes will move in and the whole exercise will be repeated.
Why not just trap them and move them onto a larger woodland area near by? i agree with Mr Chambelain's comments above i also feel this was very inhumane. No doubt within a few weeks another family of foxes will move in and the whole exercise will be repeated. kentlad
  • Score: 22

1:14pm Tue 8 Jul 14

flea_in_ear says...

From the article "A spokesman for Bexley Pest Control said: 'I have worked in pest control for more than 20 years and never heard of foxes burrowing that deep, they would have to be super foxes to do that.
'They normally burrow under garden sheds, I have never heard of them causing structural damage.'" I'm sure much wildlife looks at human beings and says "We have never heard of them destroying so much natural environment before, they have to be Super Human Beings to do that". What utter tosh. I'm sure the dam could be made dig-proof. Or is that beyond even Super Human Beings?
From the article "A spokesman for Bexley Pest Control said: 'I have worked in pest control for more than 20 years and never heard of foxes burrowing that deep, they would have to be super foxes to do that. 'They normally burrow under garden sheds, I have never heard of them causing structural damage.'" I'm sure much wildlife looks at human beings and says "We have never heard of them destroying so much natural environment before, they have to be Super Human Beings to do that". What utter tosh. I'm sure the dam could be made dig-proof. Or is that beyond even Super Human Beings? flea_in_ear
  • Score: 26

1:29pm Tue 8 Jul 14

molsey says...

"David Chamberlain, 54, of Danson Lane, said: "The traps were very loud, imagine a gate clanging, that is how loud it was and I heard it twice from my house".

The traps were very loud like gates banging.

Do we take it from this the killing method was to first catch the fox in the trap and then shoot it?
"David Chamberlain, 54, of Danson Lane, said: "The traps were very loud, imagine a gate clanging, that is how loud it was and I heard it twice from my house". The traps were very loud like gates banging. Do we take it from this the killing method was to first catch the fox in the trap and then shoot it? molsey
  • Score: 19

1:51pm Tue 8 Jul 14

PaulErith says...

molsey wrote:
"David Chamberlain, 54, of Danson Lane, said: "The traps were very loud, imagine a gate clanging, that is how loud it was and I heard it twice from my house".

The traps were very loud like gates banging.

Do we take it from this the killing method was to first catch the fox in the trap and then shoot it?
Yes, sadly that is what they do, which as someone has pointed out, begs the question of why they couldn't just be re-housed.
[quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: "David Chamberlain, 54, of Danson Lane, said: "The traps were very loud, imagine a gate clanging, that is how loud it was and I heard it twice from my house". The traps were very loud like gates banging. Do we take it from this the killing method was to first catch the fox in the trap and then shoot it?[/p][/quote]Yes, sadly that is what they do, which as someone has pointed out, begs the question of why they couldn't just be re-housed. PaulErith
  • Score: 24

2:06pm Tue 8 Jul 14

the wall says...

How do you re house a fox? First off find some land that doesn't have any foxes living there already. Secondly tell the fox this is your new home don't go back to the old one.

These foxes have adapted to their environment, who's made that happen?
How do you re house a fox? First off find some land that doesn't have any foxes living there already. Secondly tell the fox this is your new home don't go back to the old one. These foxes have adapted to their environment, who's made that happen? the wall
  • Score: 2

2:44pm Tue 8 Jul 14

reasonable75 says...

the wall wrote:
How do you re house a fox? First off find some land that doesn't have any foxes living there already. Secondly tell the fox this is your new home don't go back to the old one.

These foxes have adapted to their environment, who's made that happen?
That's the problem, if you "rehouse" a fox close to where you caught it, there area is large so it'll simply go back

Either move it miles away, or kill it
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: How do you re house a fox? First off find some land that doesn't have any foxes living there already. Secondly tell the fox this is your new home don't go back to the old one. These foxes have adapted to their environment, who's made that happen?[/p][/quote]That's the problem, if you "rehouse" a fox close to where you caught it, there area is large so it'll simply go back Either move it miles away, or kill it reasonable75
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3:11pm Tue 8 Jul 14

the wall says...

Kill it - loads more out there.
Kill it - loads more out there. the wall
  • Score: -14

4:06pm Tue 8 Jul 14

PaulErith says...

We destroy the countryside and then still think we have the right to kill off urban foxes. It's not really right! I've never particularly been a 'green' or an environmentalist but I think we should be respectful of nature much more than we are now.

As for the stupid picture at the top of the article, someone at the NS needs to grow up a bit.
We destroy the countryside and then still think we have the right to kill off urban foxes. It's not really right! I've never particularly been a 'green' or an environmentalist but I think we should be respectful of nature much more than we are now. As for the stupid picture at the top of the article, someone at the NS needs to grow up a bit. PaulErith
  • Score: 27

4:07pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Gypo.Joe says...

David Chamberlain, 54, of Danson Lane, said...

"Ohh look at me look at me wiv all me tats on show everybody"
David Chamberlain, 54, of Danson Lane, said... "Ohh look at me look at me wiv all me tats on show everybody" Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -15

4:14pm Tue 8 Jul 14

the wall says...

PaulErith wrote:
We destroy the countryside and then still think we have the right to kill off urban foxes. It's not really right! I've never particularly been a 'green' or an environmentalist but I think we should be respectful of nature much more than we are now.

As for the stupid picture at the top of the article, someone at the NS needs to grow up a bit.
Ban cars then. More cars kill foxes than any hunt or traping has ever done.
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: We destroy the countryside and then still think we have the right to kill off urban foxes. It's not really right! I've never particularly been a 'green' or an environmentalist but I think we should be respectful of nature much more than we are now. As for the stupid picture at the top of the article, someone at the NS needs to grow up a bit.[/p][/quote]Ban cars then. More cars kill foxes than any hunt or traping has ever done. the wall
  • Score: -19

4:17pm Tue 8 Jul 14

flea_in_ear says...

the wall wrote:
Kill it - loads more out there.
It's a life, isn't it? Pushed out of its natural environment by people spread. Too many people with too many children.

What a very unpleasant post you have submitted.
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: Kill it - loads more out there.[/p][/quote]It's a life, isn't it? Pushed out of its natural environment by people spread. Too many people with too many children. What a very unpleasant post you have submitted. flea_in_ear
  • Score: 35

4:47pm Tue 8 Jul 14

sarfflondonbird says...

flea_in_ear wrote:
the wall wrote:
Kill it - loads more out there.
It's a life, isn't it? Pushed out of its natural environment by people spread. Too many people with too many children.

What a very unpleasant post you have submitted.
Couldn't agree more regarding that post, but then you come to expect that from the wall, and I agree.....too many people with too many children clogging up this small island, post em back. More free space for deserving wildlife.
[quote][p][bold]flea_in_ear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: Kill it - loads more out there.[/p][/quote]It's a life, isn't it? Pushed out of its natural environment by people spread. Too many people with too many children. What a very unpleasant post you have submitted.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more regarding that post, but then you come to expect that from the wall, and I agree.....too many people with too many children clogging up this small island, post em back. More free space for deserving wildlife. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 12

4:52pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Brook says...

Poor old Dave's Akita will have nothing to chase now
Poor old Dave's Akita will have nothing to chase now Brook
  • Score: 7

5:15pm Tue 8 Jul 14

white star says...

I don't believe there are super foxes digging under the lake its just excuse to cover up the fact they have killed foxes for no reason, foxes cannot be relocated that is illegal, the park is public it belongs to the public and the public should be consulted before doing such a terrible thing,what other wild life have they culled in the park ! how dare they do this cruel vile thing to our wildlife as for the pest controllers they hired to remove them, they are just trigger happy animal hunters that shoot anything that moves.
I don't believe there are super foxes digging under the lake its just excuse to cover up the fact they have killed foxes for no reason, foxes cannot be relocated that is illegal, the park is public it belongs to the public and the public should be consulted before doing such a terrible thing,what other wild life have they culled in the park ! how dare they do this cruel vile thing to our wildlife as for the pest controllers they hired to remove them, they are just trigger happy animal hunters that shoot anything that moves. white star
  • Score: 20

5:18pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Dimpydibbles says...

Mr Bryant is the voice of reason and should have been consulted in the first place. Prevention is common sense. Sounds like a knee jerk reaction by Bexley Council: take your cues from other Greater London Councils and DEFRA, rather than believing the scaremongering hype and misleading information on the law fostered by private 'pest' controllers to boost their businesses.
Mr Bryant is the voice of reason and should have been consulted in the first place. Prevention is common sense. Sounds like a knee jerk reaction by Bexley Council: take your cues from other Greater London Councils and DEFRA, rather than believing the scaremongering hype and misleading information on the law fostered by private 'pest' controllers to boost their businesses. Dimpydibbles
  • Score: 7

5:25pm Tue 8 Jul 14

the wall says...

flea_in_ear wrote:
the wall wrote:
Kill it - loads more out there.
It's a life, isn't it? Pushed out of its natural environment by people spread. Too many people with too many children.

What a very unpleasant post you have submitted.
Report it then.
[quote][p][bold]flea_in_ear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: Kill it - loads more out there.[/p][/quote]It's a life, isn't it? Pushed out of its natural environment by people spread. Too many people with too many children. What a very unpleasant post you have submitted.[/p][/quote]Report it then. the wall
  • Score: -18

5:25pm Tue 8 Jul 14

the wall says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
flea_in_ear wrote:
the wall wrote:
Kill it - loads more out there.
It's a life, isn't it? Pushed out of its natural environment by people spread. Too many people with too many children.

What a very unpleasant post you have submitted.
Couldn't agree more regarding that post, but then you come to expect that from the wall, and I agree.....too many people with too many children clogging up this small island, post em back. More free space for deserving wildlife.
post em........ What do you mean by that?
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flea_in_ear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: Kill it - loads more out there.[/p][/quote]It's a life, isn't it? Pushed out of its natural environment by people spread. Too many people with too many children. What a very unpleasant post you have submitted.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more regarding that post, but then you come to expect that from the wall, and I agree.....too many people with too many children clogging up this small island, post em back. More free space for deserving wildlife.[/p][/quote]post em........ What do you mean by that? the wall
  • Score: -6

6:36pm Tue 8 Jul 14

RVD420 says...

I bet if they were foreign super foxes bexley council would have re housed them straight away
I bet if they were foreign super foxes bexley council would have re housed them straight away RVD420
  • Score: 39

7:35pm Tue 8 Jul 14

flea_in_ear says...

the wall wrote:
flea_in_ear wrote:
the wall wrote:
Kill it - loads more out there.
It's a life, isn't it? Pushed out of its natural environment by people spread. Too many people with too many children.

What a very unpleasant post you have submitted.
Report it then.
Oh no dear, I would like everyone to see what you write.
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flea_in_ear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: Kill it - loads more out there.[/p][/quote]It's a life, isn't it? Pushed out of its natural environment by people spread. Too many people with too many children. What a very unpleasant post you have submitted.[/p][/quote]Report it then.[/p][/quote]Oh no dear, I would like everyone to see what you write. flea_in_ear
  • Score: 22

7:44pm Tue 8 Jul 14

toomush2drink says...

The problem many seem to fail to realise is that we as humans are the natural predator to a fox. You hardly see them in the country yet they breed like anything in urban areas because of the steady supply of food. with all the takeaway litter along with the numerous fools who deliberately feed them is it any wonder there are so many about ?

It has nothing to do with us taking over their habitat, they choose to live around us because we are a great food source.

All these lovely ideas of moving them to another area actually isnt possible as its illegal.

At the end of the day they are classed as vermin and can be shot. Isnt that a lot more humane than hitting one in a car and leaving it at the roadside ?

Yes they do cause damage we have had our fair share of it from a new cub pack thats in our neighbours garden. They have systematically attempted to dig under our fences and ripped the bottom away in the process.

For those all knocking the efforts to prevent the dam being undermined and weakened what is your suggested solution then ?
The problem many seem to fail to realise is that we as humans are the natural predator to a fox. You hardly see them in the country yet they breed like anything in urban areas because of the steady supply of food. with all the takeaway litter along with the numerous fools who deliberately feed them is it any wonder there are so many about ? It has nothing to do with us taking over their habitat, they choose to live around us because we are a great food source. All these lovely ideas of moving them to another area actually isnt possible as its illegal. At the end of the day they are classed as vermin and can be shot. Isnt that a lot more humane than hitting one in a car and leaving it at the roadside ? Yes they do cause damage we have had our fair share of it from a new cub pack thats in our neighbours garden. They have systematically attempted to dig under our fences and ripped the bottom away in the process. For those all knocking the efforts to prevent the dam being undermined and weakened what is your suggested solution then ? toomush2drink
  • Score: 5

7:50pm Tue 8 Jul 14

flea_in_ear says...

Taken from B&D Pest Control website "As the 1960 abandonment act says, no wild animal can be caught and released elsewhere, and poisoning is against the law, there are only two effective methods that can be used against foxes: shoot and dispatch on sight, or cage trap and dispatch." No mention of John Bryant's non-lethal methods. But then they wouldn't make any money, would they, because first they kill the foxes, then more move in and they probably hope they will be called back again to shootm. And again. Shoot is actually not effective.
Taken from B&D Pest Control website "As the 1960 abandonment act says, no wild animal can be caught and released elsewhere, and poisoning is against the law, there are only two effective methods that can be used against foxes: shoot and dispatch on sight, or cage trap and dispatch." No mention of John Bryant's non-lethal methods. But then they wouldn't make any money, would they, because first they kill the foxes, then more move in and they probably hope they will be called back again to shootm. And again. Shoot is actually not effective. flea_in_ear
  • Score: 1

7:57pm Tue 8 Jul 14

flea_in_ear says...

toomush2drink wrote:
The problem many seem to fail to realise is that we as humans are the natural predator to a fox. You hardly see them in the country yet they breed like anything in urban areas because of the steady supply of food. with all the takeaway litter along with the numerous fools who deliberately feed them is it any wonder there are so many about ?

It has nothing to do with us taking over their habitat, they choose to live around us because we are a great food source.

All these lovely ideas of moving them to another area actually isnt possible as its illegal.

At the end of the day they are classed as vermin and can be shot. Isnt that a lot more humane than hitting one in a car and leaving it at the roadside ?

Yes they do cause damage we have had our fair share of it from a new cub pack thats in our neighbours garden. They have systematically attempted to dig under our fences and ripped the bottom away in the process.

For those all knocking the efforts to prevent the dam being undermined and weakened what is your suggested solution then ?
Correction. I now commute to the country, and indeed I do see foxes quite frequently. As for habitat, much wildlife has been driven from its natural habitat by over-development and modern farming methods. Why you imagine foxes are any different, I have no idea. Foxes are not classed as vermin. (Vermin is actually not specifed in English law.) If you do not want wildlife around you, there are flats available which are not on the ground floor level. As riverbanks, railway embankments can be maintained, I fail to see why a relatively small dam cannot be safeguarded against damage. We are also not a natural predator to a fox. Predators eat what they kill. Or perhaps you eat foxes? The only thing you have said which makes sense is the fact that foxes will live near a food source. Never mind people feeding them. I blame very much people who put their refuse out in plastic sacks the night before collection. At one time everyone took responsibility and purchased their own dustbin.
[quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: The problem many seem to fail to realise is that we as humans are the natural predator to a fox. You hardly see them in the country yet they breed like anything in urban areas because of the steady supply of food. with all the takeaway litter along with the numerous fools who deliberately feed them is it any wonder there are so many about ? It has nothing to do with us taking over their habitat, they choose to live around us because we are a great food source. All these lovely ideas of moving them to another area actually isnt possible as its illegal. At the end of the day they are classed as vermin and can be shot. Isnt that a lot more humane than hitting one in a car and leaving it at the roadside ? Yes they do cause damage we have had our fair share of it from a new cub pack thats in our neighbours garden. They have systematically attempted to dig under our fences and ripped the bottom away in the process. For those all knocking the efforts to prevent the dam being undermined and weakened what is your suggested solution then ?[/p][/quote]Correction. I now commute to the country, and indeed I do see foxes quite frequently. As for habitat, much wildlife has been driven from its natural habitat by over-development and modern farming methods. Why you imagine foxes are any different, I have no idea. Foxes are not classed as vermin. (Vermin is actually not specifed in English law.) If you do not want wildlife around you, there are flats available which are not on the ground floor level. As riverbanks, railway embankments can be maintained, I fail to see why a relatively small dam cannot be safeguarded against damage. We are also not a natural predator to a fox. Predators eat what they kill. Or perhaps you eat foxes? The only thing you have said which makes sense is the fact that foxes will live near a food source. Never mind people feeding them. I blame very much people who put their refuse out in plastic sacks the night before collection. At one time everyone took responsibility and purchased their own dustbin. flea_in_ear
  • Score: 5

8:18pm Tue 8 Jul 14

paulbexleyheath says...

PaulErith wrote:
I bet the News Shopper editor takes great pleasure in publishing this story what with the history of anti-fox related articles.
i was just thinking the anti fox brigade are out again. they are wild animals living in the wild.
shame they dont shoot the **** that go around vandalising anything nice in the area
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: I bet the News Shopper editor takes great pleasure in publishing this story what with the history of anti-fox related articles.[/p][/quote]i was just thinking the anti fox brigade are out again. they are wild animals living in the wild. shame they dont shoot the **** that go around vandalising anything nice in the area paulbexleyheath
  • Score: 19

9:57pm Tue 8 Jul 14

toomush2drink says...

flea_in_ear wrote:
toomush2drink wrote:
The problem many seem to fail to realise is that we as humans are the natural predator to a fox. You hardly see them in the country yet they breed like anything in urban areas because of the steady supply of food. with all the takeaway litter along with the numerous fools who deliberately feed them is it any wonder there are so many about ?

It has nothing to do with us taking over their habitat, they choose to live around us because we are a great food source.

All these lovely ideas of moving them to another area actually isnt possible as its illegal.

At the end of the day they are classed as vermin and can be shot. Isnt that a lot more humane than hitting one in a car and leaving it at the roadside ?

Yes they do cause damage we have had our fair share of it from a new cub pack thats in our neighbours garden. They have systematically attempted to dig under our fences and ripped the bottom away in the process.

For those all knocking the efforts to prevent the dam being undermined and weakened what is your suggested solution then ?
Correction. I now commute to the country, and indeed I do see foxes quite frequently. As for habitat, much wildlife has been driven from its natural habitat by over-development and modern farming methods. Why you imagine foxes are any different, I have no idea. Foxes are not classed as vermin. (Vermin is actually not specifed in English law.) If you do not want wildlife around you, there are flats available which are not on the ground floor level. As riverbanks, railway embankments can be maintained, I fail to see why a relatively small dam cannot be safeguarded against damage. We are also not a natural predator to a fox. Predators eat what they kill. Or perhaps you eat foxes? The only thing you have said which makes sense is the fact that foxes will live near a food source. Never mind people feeding them. I blame very much people who put their refuse out in plastic sacks the night before collection. At one time everyone took responsibility and purchased their own dustbin.
Predators eating what they kill isnt exactly true. Ask anyone who keeps chickens if the fox ate everything it killed ?

No different to a cat, the instinct to kill is too great. Cats kill more birds in this country than anything else.

Like it or not we are their natural predator.

Just as lion, crocodile or shark etc would kill you if you were in its habitat.
[quote][p][bold]flea_in_ear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: The problem many seem to fail to realise is that we as humans are the natural predator to a fox. You hardly see them in the country yet they breed like anything in urban areas because of the steady supply of food. with all the takeaway litter along with the numerous fools who deliberately feed them is it any wonder there are so many about ? It has nothing to do with us taking over their habitat, they choose to live around us because we are a great food source. All these lovely ideas of moving them to another area actually isnt possible as its illegal. At the end of the day they are classed as vermin and can be shot. Isnt that a lot more humane than hitting one in a car and leaving it at the roadside ? Yes they do cause damage we have had our fair share of it from a new cub pack thats in our neighbours garden. They have systematically attempted to dig under our fences and ripped the bottom away in the process. For those all knocking the efforts to prevent the dam being undermined and weakened what is your suggested solution then ?[/p][/quote]Correction. I now commute to the country, and indeed I do see foxes quite frequently. As for habitat, much wildlife has been driven from its natural habitat by over-development and modern farming methods. Why you imagine foxes are any different, I have no idea. Foxes are not classed as vermin. (Vermin is actually not specifed in English law.) If you do not want wildlife around you, there are flats available which are not on the ground floor level. As riverbanks, railway embankments can be maintained, I fail to see why a relatively small dam cannot be safeguarded against damage. We are also not a natural predator to a fox. Predators eat what they kill. Or perhaps you eat foxes? The only thing you have said which makes sense is the fact that foxes will live near a food source. Never mind people feeding them. I blame very much people who put their refuse out in plastic sacks the night before collection. At one time everyone took responsibility and purchased their own dustbin.[/p][/quote]Predators eating what they kill isnt exactly true. Ask anyone who keeps chickens if the fox ate everything it killed ? No different to a cat, the instinct to kill is too great. Cats kill more birds in this country than anything else. Like it or not we are their natural predator. Just as lion, crocodile or shark etc would kill you if you were in its habitat. toomush2drink
  • Score: -2

11:00pm Tue 8 Jul 14

mitese says...

The foxes keep the rats away. Kill them, and you will, soon, be eaten and diseased by the real pest the RATS!
The foxes keep the rats away. Kill them, and you will, soon, be eaten and diseased by the real pest the RATS! mitese
  • Score: 14

6:14am Wed 9 Jul 14

flea_in_ear says...

toomush2drink wrote:
flea_in_ear wrote:
toomush2drink wrote:
The problem many seem to fail to realise is that we as humans are the natural predator to a fox. You hardly see them in the country yet they breed like anything in urban areas because of the steady supply of food. with all the takeaway litter along with the numerous fools who deliberately feed them is it any wonder there are so many about ?

It has nothing to do with us taking over their habitat, they choose to live around us because we are a great food source.

All these lovely ideas of moving them to another area actually isnt possible as its illegal.

At the end of the day they are classed as vermin and can be shot. Isnt that a lot more humane than hitting one in a car and leaving it at the roadside ?

Yes they do cause damage we have had our fair share of it from a new cub pack thats in our neighbours garden. They have systematically attempted to dig under our fences and ripped the bottom away in the process.

For those all knocking the efforts to prevent the dam being undermined and weakened what is your suggested solution then ?
Correction. I now commute to the country, and indeed I do see foxes quite frequently. As for habitat, much wildlife has been driven from its natural habitat by over-development and modern farming methods. Why you imagine foxes are any different, I have no idea. Foxes are not classed as vermin. (Vermin is actually not specifed in English law.) If you do not want wildlife around you, there are flats available which are not on the ground floor level. As riverbanks, railway embankments can be maintained, I fail to see why a relatively small dam cannot be safeguarded against damage. We are also not a natural predator to a fox. Predators eat what they kill. Or perhaps you eat foxes? The only thing you have said which makes sense is the fact that foxes will live near a food source. Never mind people feeding them. I blame very much people who put their refuse out in plastic sacks the night before collection. At one time everyone took responsibility and purchased their own dustbin.
Predators eating what they kill isnt exactly true. Ask anyone who keeps chickens if the fox ate everything it killed ?

No different to a cat, the instinct to kill is too great. Cats kill more birds in this country than anything else.

Like it or not we are their natural predator.

Just as lion, crocodile or shark etc would kill you if you were in its habitat.
A fox killing captive chickens is acting on instinct. Given the chance, it will stash anything it kills. Captive chickens are not in a natural environment. In a natural environment most of them would get away. Similarly cats. A stray will eat what it kills. Cats do not necessarily kill more birds than anything else. Modern farming practices do, by removing food sources. As do humans in using pesticides, blocking up eaves, developing old barns, cutting back hedging and other habitat particularly when birds are nesting. Dogs. My mother's ponderous Airedale, now long gone, would plunge her head into a hedge and come out with a nest of fledglings. Large Retriever I know more than capable. I have seen an adult Setter catch a Blue Tit. Most dog-owners will not come forward with those stories, and many letting their dogs into their gardens will be totally unaware. I do not know of anyone who eats foxes. You refer to lions etc. We may not be their natural prey, but caught by lions, crocodiles or sharks, most of them will try to eat us. Lions normally do so when injured. It is thought that sharks mistake us for turtles. Certainly Polar Bears can and do eat us.

You say you have a problem with foxes and a fence. Be grateful you do not have Mortar Bees destroying your house. They are protected.
[quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flea_in_ear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: The problem many seem to fail to realise is that we as humans are the natural predator to a fox. You hardly see them in the country yet they breed like anything in urban areas because of the steady supply of food. with all the takeaway litter along with the numerous fools who deliberately feed them is it any wonder there are so many about ? It has nothing to do with us taking over their habitat, they choose to live around us because we are a great food source. All these lovely ideas of moving them to another area actually isnt possible as its illegal. At the end of the day they are classed as vermin and can be shot. Isnt that a lot more humane than hitting one in a car and leaving it at the roadside ? Yes they do cause damage we have had our fair share of it from a new cub pack thats in our neighbours garden. They have systematically attempted to dig under our fences and ripped the bottom away in the process. For those all knocking the efforts to prevent the dam being undermined and weakened what is your suggested solution then ?[/p][/quote]Correction. I now commute to the country, and indeed I do see foxes quite frequently. As for habitat, much wildlife has been driven from its natural habitat by over-development and modern farming methods. Why you imagine foxes are any different, I have no idea. Foxes are not classed as vermin. (Vermin is actually not specifed in English law.) If you do not want wildlife around you, there are flats available which are not on the ground floor level. As riverbanks, railway embankments can be maintained, I fail to see why a relatively small dam cannot be safeguarded against damage. We are also not a natural predator to a fox. Predators eat what they kill. Or perhaps you eat foxes? The only thing you have said which makes sense is the fact that foxes will live near a food source. Never mind people feeding them. I blame very much people who put their refuse out in plastic sacks the night before collection. At one time everyone took responsibility and purchased their own dustbin.[/p][/quote]Predators eating what they kill isnt exactly true. Ask anyone who keeps chickens if the fox ate everything it killed ? No different to a cat, the instinct to kill is too great. Cats kill more birds in this country than anything else. Like it or not we are their natural predator. Just as lion, crocodile or shark etc would kill you if you were in its habitat.[/p][/quote]A fox killing captive chickens is acting on instinct. Given the chance, it will stash anything it kills. Captive chickens are not in a natural environment. In a natural environment most of them would get away. Similarly cats. A stray will eat what it kills. Cats do not necessarily kill more birds than anything else. Modern farming practices do, by removing food sources. As do humans in using pesticides, blocking up eaves, developing old barns, cutting back hedging and other habitat particularly when birds are nesting. Dogs. My mother's ponderous Airedale, now long gone, would plunge her head into a hedge and come out with a nest of fledglings. Large Retriever I know more than capable. I have seen an adult Setter catch a Blue Tit. Most dog-owners will not come forward with those stories, and many letting their dogs into their gardens will be totally unaware. I do not know of anyone who eats foxes. You refer to lions etc. We may not be their natural prey, but caught by lions, crocodiles or sharks, most of them will try to eat us. Lions normally do so when injured. It is thought that sharks mistake us for turtles. Certainly Polar Bears can and do eat us. You say you have a problem with foxes and a fence. Be grateful you do not have Mortar Bees destroying your house. They are protected. flea_in_ear
  • Score: 2

6:54am Wed 9 Jul 14

flea_in_ear says...

As a PS to toomush2drink, I would also point out that chickens are not native to the UK (or not Europe) so this is a further unnatural situationn to which the fox responds. They are from Asia. Anyone keeping animals in captivity needs to enure that runs are secure (it is possible, I have done so in the past).
As a PS to toomush2drink, I would also point out that chickens are not native to the UK (or not Europe) so this is a further unnatural situationn to which the fox responds. They are from Asia. Anyone keeping animals in captivity needs to enure that runs are secure (it is possible, I have done so in the past). flea_in_ear
  • Score: 8

9:20am Wed 9 Jul 14

FibroSUCKS says...

toomush2drink wrote:
The problem many seem to fail to realise is that we as humans are the natural predator to a fox. You hardly see them in the country yet they breed like anything in urban areas because of the steady supply of food. with all the takeaway litter along with the numerous fools who deliberately feed them is it any wonder there are so many about ?

It has nothing to do with us taking over their habitat, they choose to live around us because we are a great food source.

All these lovely ideas of moving them to another area actually isnt possible as its illegal.

At the end of the day they are classed as vermin and can be shot. Isnt that a lot more humane than hitting one in a car and leaving it at the roadside ?

Yes they do cause damage we have had our fair share of it from a new cub pack thats in our neighbours garden. They have systematically attempted to dig under our fences and ripped the bottom away in the process.

For those all knocking the efforts to prevent the dam being undermined and weakened what is your suggested solution then ?
Foxes have not, and have never been, classed as "vermin". It would help if you knew what you were talking about.
[quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: The problem many seem to fail to realise is that we as humans are the natural predator to a fox. You hardly see them in the country yet they breed like anything in urban areas because of the steady supply of food. with all the takeaway litter along with the numerous fools who deliberately feed them is it any wonder there are so many about ? It has nothing to do with us taking over their habitat, they choose to live around us because we are a great food source. All these lovely ideas of moving them to another area actually isnt possible as its illegal. At the end of the day they are classed as vermin and can be shot. Isnt that a lot more humane than hitting one in a car and leaving it at the roadside ? Yes they do cause damage we have had our fair share of it from a new cub pack thats in our neighbours garden. They have systematically attempted to dig under our fences and ripped the bottom away in the process. For those all knocking the efforts to prevent the dam being undermined and weakened what is your suggested solution then ?[/p][/quote]Foxes have not, and have never been, classed as "vermin". It would help if you knew what you were talking about. FibroSUCKS
  • Score: 11

9:30am Wed 9 Jul 14

FibroSUCKS says...

This is absolutely disgusting. More foxes will now take their place... are they going to shoot those too? Foxes are not vermin, they have never actually been classed as vermin. Foxes have been demonised for far too long. It's time people actually educated themselves. Did they contact a wildlife organisation to find out anything? Did they contact a wildlife sanctuary to see if they could take on these "super foxes"? Of course they didn't. It's far easier to just kill. Revolting.
This is absolutely disgusting. More foxes will now take their place... are they going to shoot those too? Foxes are not vermin, they have never actually been classed as vermin. Foxes have been demonised for far too long. It's time people actually educated themselves. Did they contact a wildlife organisation to find out anything? Did they contact a wildlife sanctuary to see if they could take on these "super foxes"? Of course they didn't. It's far easier to just kill. Revolting. FibroSUCKS
  • Score: 12

10:04am Wed 9 Jul 14

highway warrior says...

So a few foxes died, it's illegal to resite them and no wildlife sanctuary is going to want to take on 14 foxes.
Having seen the rate of water flowing through the chambers when it's rained heavily, if that bank went and the dam broke as a result the consequences could be fatal for any passing vehicles, pedestrians and residents, catastophic.
So a few foxes died, it's illegal to resite them and no wildlife sanctuary is going to want to take on 14 foxes. Having seen the rate of water flowing through the chambers when it's rained heavily, if that bank went and the dam broke as a result the consequences could be fatal for any passing vehicles, pedestrians and residents, catastophic. highway warrior
  • Score: -3

10:16am Wed 9 Jul 14

flea_in_ear says...

highway warrior wrote:
So a few foxes died, it's illegal to resite them and no wildlife sanctuary is going to want to take on 14 foxes.
Having seen the rate of water flowing through the chambers when it's rained heavily, if that bank went and the dam broke as a result the consequences could be fatal for any passing vehicles, pedestrians and residents, catastophic.
You deal with protecting the bank and the dam. Foxes have not arrived with JCBs.

What you need to bear in mind now is that further foxes will move in. I am sure that the pest controllers called in originally had that in mind when they despatched the first lot. Nice little earner from taxpayers' money. Pity John Bryant wasn't instructed immediately.
[quote][p][bold]highway warrior[/bold] wrote: So a few foxes died, it's illegal to resite them and no wildlife sanctuary is going to want to take on 14 foxes. Having seen the rate of water flowing through the chambers when it's rained heavily, if that bank went and the dam broke as a result the consequences could be fatal for any passing vehicles, pedestrians and residents, catastophic.[/p][/quote]You deal with protecting the bank and the dam. Foxes have not arrived with JCBs. What you need to bear in mind now is that further foxes will move in. I am sure that the pest controllers called in originally had that in mind when they despatched the first lot. Nice little earner from taxpayers' money. Pity John Bryant wasn't instructed immediately. flea_in_ear
  • Score: 4

10:22am Wed 9 Jul 14

the wall says...

flea_in_ear wrote:
the wall wrote:
flea_in_ear wrote:
the wall wrote:
Kill it - loads more out there.
It's a life, isn't it? Pushed out of its natural environment by people spread. Too many people with too many children.

What a very unpleasant post you have submitted.
Report it then.
Oh no dear, I would like everyone to see what you write.
I didn't say anything about deer, but might as well shoot some of them while the guns out.

Good tell everyone, get t-shirts printed up if you want.
[quote][p][bold]flea_in_ear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flea_in_ear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: Kill it - loads more out there.[/p][/quote]It's a life, isn't it? Pushed out of its natural environment by people spread. Too many people with too many children. What a very unpleasant post you have submitted.[/p][/quote]Report it then.[/p][/quote]Oh no dear, I would like everyone to see what you write.[/p][/quote]I didn't say anything about deer, but might as well shoot some of them while the guns out. Good tell everyone, get t-shirts printed up if you want. the wall
  • Score: 5

10:45am Wed 9 Jul 14

flea_in_ear says...

the wall wrote:
flea_in_ear wrote:
the wall wrote:
flea_in_ear wrote:
the wall wrote:
Kill it - loads more out there.
It's a life, isn't it? Pushed out of its natural environment by people spread. Too many people with too many children.

What a very unpleasant post you have submitted.
Report it then.
Oh no dear, I would like everyone to see what you write.
I didn't say anything about deer, but might as well shoot some of them while the guns out.

Good tell everyone, get t-shirts printed up if you want.
Struggling, eh ?
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flea_in_ear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flea_in_ear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: Kill it - loads more out there.[/p][/quote]It's a life, isn't it? Pushed out of its natural environment by people spread. Too many people with too many children. What a very unpleasant post you have submitted.[/p][/quote]Report it then.[/p][/quote]Oh no dear, I would like everyone to see what you write.[/p][/quote]I didn't say anything about deer, but might as well shoot some of them while the guns out. Good tell everyone, get t-shirts printed up if you want.[/p][/quote]Struggling, eh ? flea_in_ear
  • Score: -9

11:55am Wed 9 Jul 14

the wall says...

flea_in_ear wrote:
the wall wrote:
flea_in_ear wrote:
the wall wrote:
flea_in_ear wrote:
the wall wrote:
Kill it - loads more out there.
It's a life, isn't it? Pushed out of its natural environment by people spread. Too many people with too many children.

What a very unpleasant post you have submitted.
Report it then.
Oh no dear, I would like everyone to see what you write.
I didn't say anything about deer, but might as well shoot some of them while the guns out.

Good tell everyone, get t-shirts printed up if you want.
Struggling, eh ?
Ok if you're struggling and that is to hard to get sorted, how about you get my comment tattooed on your forehead?
[quote][p][bold]flea_in_ear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flea_in_ear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flea_in_ear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: Kill it - loads more out there.[/p][/quote]It's a life, isn't it? Pushed out of its natural environment by people spread. Too many people with too many children. What a very unpleasant post you have submitted.[/p][/quote]Report it then.[/p][/quote]Oh no dear, I would like everyone to see what you write.[/p][/quote]I didn't say anything about deer, but might as well shoot some of them while the guns out. Good tell everyone, get t-shirts printed up if you want.[/p][/quote]Struggling, eh ?[/p][/quote]Ok if you're struggling and that is to hard to get sorted, how about you get my comment tattooed on your forehead? the wall
  • Score: 5

6:37pm Wed 9 Jul 14

adx1220 says...

FibroSUCKS wrote:
This is absolutely disgusting. More foxes will now take their place... are they going to shoot those too? Foxes are not vermin, they have never actually been classed as vermin. Foxes have been demonised for far too long. It's time people actually educated themselves. Did they contact a wildlife organisation to find out anything? Did they contact a wildlife sanctuary to see if they could take on these "super foxes"? Of course they didn't. It's far easier to just kill. Revolting.
Exactly.
[quote][p][bold]FibroSUCKS[/bold] wrote: This is absolutely disgusting. More foxes will now take their place... are they going to shoot those too? Foxes are not vermin, they have never actually been classed as vermin. Foxes have been demonised for far too long. It's time people actually educated themselves. Did they contact a wildlife organisation to find out anything? Did they contact a wildlife sanctuary to see if they could take on these "super foxes"? Of course they didn't. It's far easier to just kill. Revolting.[/p][/quote]Exactly. adx1220
  • Score: 6

10:29pm Wed 9 Jul 14

mainman says...

Another dastardly act by the tory bexley council. pathetic excuse for getting rid of the parks fox population. where are the photos of these tunnels? news shopper once again anti fox and making a joke of it.
Another dastardly act by the tory bexley council. pathetic excuse for getting rid of the parks fox population. where are the photos of these tunnels? news shopper once again anti fox and making a joke of it. mainman
  • Score: 4

6:46am Thu 10 Jul 14

flea_in_ear says...

mainman wrote:
Another dastardly act by the tory bexley council. pathetic excuse for getting rid of the parks fox population. where are the photos of these tunnels? news shopper once again anti fox and making a joke of it.
They will not get rid of foxes from the parks.

They have paid out taxpayers' money to remove foxes which will allow other foxes to move in, so they have wasted taxpayers' money. This is where John Bryant would have been more appropriately appointed in the first place, rather than afterwards.

It is always ok as logn as it other people's money, isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]mainman[/bold] wrote: Another dastardly act by the tory bexley council. pathetic excuse for getting rid of the parks fox population. where are the photos of these tunnels? news shopper once again anti fox and making a joke of it.[/p][/quote]They will not get rid of foxes from the parks. They have paid out taxpayers' money to remove foxes which will allow other foxes to move in, so they have wasted taxpayers' money. This is where John Bryant would have been more appropriately appointed in the first place, rather than afterwards. It is always ok as logn as it other people's money, isn't it? flea_in_ear
  • Score: -4

11:17am Thu 10 Jul 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Chicken wire boi. Just pin it over the bank, the grass soon grows over it so it's not an eye sore and foxes can't burrow into the bank.

In future just ask Joe boi, I don't work cheap though.
Chicken wire boi. Just pin it over the bank, the grass soon grows over it so it's not an eye sore and foxes can't burrow into the bank. In future just ask Joe boi, I don't work cheap though. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 8

5:29pm Thu 10 Jul 14

12pebbles says...

the council can do anything it want s its discusting and the council needs to be accountable for there actions if the ordinary person was to kill an animal we would be sent to jail the r s p c a should step in and take the council to court we forget one thing the council has answers for everything and bottomless money so they would win no matter what shame on the people who killed the foxs i hope they sleep well in there beds horrible people
the council can do anything it want s its discusting and the council needs to be accountable for there actions if the ordinary person was to kill an animal we would be sent to jail the r s p c a should step in and take the council to court we forget one thing the council has answers for everything and bottomless money so they would win no matter what shame on the people who killed the foxs i hope they sleep well in there beds horrible people 12pebbles
  • Score: 0

7:38pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Mummybear1976 says...

I don't advocate shooting the foxes because as soon as one fox family is removed, another will take over the territory. It would help if the rubbish bins in the park were not open to the foxes then maybe they wouldn't find the park quite so attractive. I'm a regular visitor to the park and the garbage gets spread all around the bins and obviously attracts foxes and probably rats too. It's a terrible mess, a health hazard and an eyesore. The rubbish also blows into the lake and could harm the wildfowl. Whoever ordered these open bins in the first place clearly didn't think it through. It must be a daily job to clear up this mess so why not replace the open bins with the type that can't be accessed by animals? This would save money in the long run and discourage creatures from looking for easy pickings.
I don't advocate shooting the foxes because as soon as one fox family is removed, another will take over the territory. It would help if the rubbish bins in the park were not open to the foxes then maybe they wouldn't find the park quite so attractive. I'm a regular visitor to the park and the garbage gets spread all around the bins and obviously attracts foxes and probably rats too. It's a terrible mess, a health hazard and an eyesore. The rubbish also blows into the lake and could harm the wildfowl. Whoever ordered these open bins in the first place clearly didn't think it through. It must be a daily job to clear up this mess so why not replace the open bins with the type that can't be accessed by animals? This would save money in the long run and discourage creatures from looking for easy pickings. Mummybear1976
  • Score: 1

11:55pm Thu 10 Jul 14

neighbour says...

I am totally disgusted! They are all God's creatures! I would add that I would want to see feral rats, bedbugs, malaria-carrying mosquitos, crabs and scabies protected by law, in fact, I think I'll start breeding them myself so they don't die out.
I am totally disgusted! They are all God's creatures! I would add that I would want to see feral rats, bedbugs, malaria-carrying mosquitos, crabs and scabies protected by law, in fact, I think I'll start breeding them myself so they don't die out. neighbour
  • Score: 2

7:19pm Sun 13 Jul 14

flea_in_ear says...

neighbour wrote:
I am totally disgusted! They are all God's creatures! I would add that I would want to see feral rats, bedbugs, malaria-carrying mosquitos, crabs and scabies protected by law, in fact, I think I'll start breeding them myself so they don't die out.
Do you know what "feral" means?
[quote][p][bold]neighbour[/bold] wrote: I am totally disgusted! They are all God's creatures! I would add that I would want to see feral rats, bedbugs, malaria-carrying mosquitos, crabs and scabies protected by law, in fact, I think I'll start breeding them myself so they don't die out.[/p][/quote]Do you know what "feral" means? flea_in_ear
  • Score: 1

8:27pm Sun 13 Jul 14

neighbour says...

The meaning of feral? I don't use words that don't exist. Feel free to access a dictionary. Not only should I get out more, I really should resist the temptation of using irony; it doesn't seem to work on this site.
The meaning of feral? I don't use words that don't exist. Feel free to access a dictionary. Not only should I get out more, I really should resist the temptation of using irony; it doesn't seem to work on this site. neighbour
  • Score: -1

5:48am Mon 14 Jul 14

flea_in_ear says...

neighbour wrote:
The meaning of feral? I don't use words that don't exist. Feel free to access a dictionary. Not only should I get out more, I really should resist the temptation of using irony; it doesn't seem to work on this site.
Feral generally relates to animals which are living in the wild, but which were once domesticated or in captivity. Feral rats? I don't see anything ironic in what I said. I asked you a question. I would suggest that the irony comes from you in the post to which I responded.
[quote][p][bold]neighbour[/bold] wrote: The meaning of feral? I don't use words that don't exist. Feel free to access a dictionary. Not only should I get out more, I really should resist the temptation of using irony; it doesn't seem to work on this site.[/p][/quote]Feral generally relates to animals which are living in the wild, but which were once domesticated or in captivity. Feral rats? I don't see anything ironic in what I said. I asked you a question. I would suggest that the irony comes from you in the post to which I responded. flea_in_ear
  • Score: 1

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