Mum and seven kids crammed into flat with two bedrooms in Epsom

Natasha McLaughlin and her seven children at their home in Epsom

Natasha McLaughlin and her seven children at their home in Epsom

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A single mum and her seven children are crammed into a housing association flat with just two bedrooms.

But Epsom Council insist the family do not meet the overcrowding criteria given the ages of her children and the size of the flat.

Natasha McLaughlin, 27, from Livingstone Park, Epsom, said: "We are all under each other’s feet. It’s awful. It’s so small.

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"My children are not sleeping because they are all on top of each other. They have not got anywhere to play because there are so many of us."

Ms McLaughlin sleeps in the living room while her one-year-old twins, two-year-old daughter and three-year-old twins all share one bedroom.

Her six-year-old son used to share a room with her nine-year-old son who suffers from attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and autism.

But she said the nine-year-old no longer lets the six-year-old into the room so he has to sleep with either her or the other five children.

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Of her eldest, she said: "In the evening he finds it really hard to unwind and he lashes out."

Ms McLaughlin, who is on the council’s waiting list for accommodation, has lived in the L&Q housing association flat for four years but wants to move somewhere with three bedrooms.

She said: "Epsom and Ewell Council say we are not overcrowded. I’ve tried everything but they are not moving me."

A council spokesman said: "The requirement for social housing within this borough exceeds the housing stock available. This is an adult with seven children.

"Ideally we would be providing this family with a four bedroomed home, however, this housing simply isn’t available and there are a large number of families needing similar accommodation on the waiting list.

"Although the council concedes the situation is far from ideal, we are operating within our statutory duties and the family, due to the ages of the children and size of the accommodation, does not meet overcrowding criteria."

He said he was not able to explain the legal definition for overcrowding that the housing team uses or how it applied to this family.

Under the Housing Act 1985, the space standard is contravened when there are too many people in a home given the sleeping accommodation and floor space.

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8:16am Mon 30 Jun 14

EwellMan says...

Whilst i feel sorry for her and her family you have to ask the question why when you dont have the means to pay to keep 7 children why you would keep having children and expect the Taxpayer to pay for you to affectively have a 7 bed house for free.
This is one thing that is clearly wrong in this scoiety, whilst the hard working with a concious wait till they are older to have children and then suffer paying a mortgage and bringing up 1 or 2 children, this lady complains that shes not getting what she wants council.
This like this are on the rise because people are realising that they will never be able to afford a house in Epsom and Ewell and thefore having Children is a way to get a nice house for free. Where is the dad/s, make him pay, where is her parents? what typ of house do they live in? the same about the fathers parents? Someone in the chain there possibly would be more room than she currenty has.
Whilst i feel sorry for her and her family you have to ask the question why when you dont have the means to pay to keep 7 children why you would keep having children and expect the Taxpayer to pay for you to affectively have a 7 bed house for free. This is one thing that is clearly wrong in this scoiety, whilst the hard working with a concious wait till they are older to have children and then suffer paying a mortgage and bringing up 1 or 2 children, this lady complains that shes not getting what she wants council. This like this are on the rise because people are realising that they will never be able to afford a house in Epsom and Ewell and thefore having Children is a way to get a nice house for free. Where is the dad/s, make him pay, where is her parents? what typ of house do they live in? the same about the fathers parents? Someone in the chain there possibly would be more room than she currenty has. EwellMan
  • Score: 114

10:17am Mon 30 Jun 14

DTEJ says...

She chooses to live on charity, having a stupid number of children with no intention of providing for them, so why should she be given a big house? If she cannot raise her children perhaps they shouldn't be with her.
She chooses to live on charity, having a stupid number of children with no intention of providing for them, so why should she be given a big house? If she cannot raise her children perhaps they shouldn't be with her. DTEJ
  • Score: 85

10:49am Mon 30 Jun 14

jswan1 says...

Perhaps she should have thought about this before she started having kids? One shouldn't assume that the rest of us will shell out to provide for her and her children. The children should be taken off her as she is clearly unable to support and provide for them herself.
Perhaps she should have thought about this before she started having kids? One shouldn't assume that the rest of us will shell out to provide for her and her children. The children should be taken off her as she is clearly unable to support and provide for them herself. jswan1
  • Score: 64

11:14am Mon 30 Jun 14

EpsomSpectator says...

Is this what it's like on the Livingstone Park estate? I thought it was meant to be quite upmarket?
Is this what it's like on the Livingstone Park estate? I thought it was meant to be quite upmarket? EpsomSpectator
  • Score: 6

12:06pm Mon 30 Jun 14

clpepsom says...

The people I feel sorry for are her kids. They are innocent and never asked for this life. She is not fit to be a mother if she is living on the state and continues to have children knowing she cannot give them a decent life. She cannot expect hard working people to fund her life whilst she just keeps popping children out. Seven kids is an obscene amount when you cannot even support one by yourself
The people I feel sorry for are her kids. They are innocent and never asked for this life. She is not fit to be a mother if she is living on the state and continues to have children knowing she cannot give them a decent life. She cannot expect hard working people to fund her life whilst she just keeps popping children out. Seven kids is an obscene amount when you cannot even support one by yourself clpepsom
  • Score: 54

12:43pm Mon 30 Jun 14

SheilaBB90 says...

I agree with all the above comments! Why do these women insist on keep having kids when they can't afford them? When I got married at 21 back in 1980 - I had to wait until I was nearly 30 to have our first and only child - becasue in those days you saved up before you had children so that you could provide for them. These days the girls/women have the kids so they can get a house and benefits - no intention of working. And they expect the world - my husband used to work as a surveyor for security at housing association properties, none of the people living in these places worked, they'd have top notch security cameras, entry systems ect installed then wreck it all a week later.
If people haven't got the means to look after the kids themselves, and they keep having them - they should be sterilised.
I agree with all the above comments! Why do these women insist on keep having kids when they can't afford them? When I got married at 21 back in 1980 - I had to wait until I was nearly 30 to have our first and only child - becasue in those days you saved up before you had children so that you could provide for them. These days the girls/women have the kids so they can get a house and benefits - no intention of working. And they expect the world - my husband used to work as a surveyor for security at housing association properties, none of the people living in these places worked, they'd have top notch security cameras, entry systems ect installed then wreck it all a week later. If people haven't got the means to look after the kids themselves, and they keep having them - they should be sterilised. SheilaBB90
  • Score: 46

1:33pm Mon 30 Jun 14

unebalam says...

The self righteous bigot-brigade are out in force again. Assuming God like powers of knowledge and the right to judge.
What do you know of this woman other than how many children she has and where she lives? The only thing you know is the colour of money.. you have no respect for or desire to understand other beings.
These other beings are either a source of convience.. thier corpses something to stuff into your gaping mouths for a fleeting moment of sensual pleasure or they are a source of inconvience stealing away from you the means to obtain your waitrose sourced flesh.
What have your lives taught you? That your mistakes are somehow noble whilst others' mistakes are unforgivable? Are you really that different from your fellow beings?
The self righteous bigot-brigade are out in force again. Assuming God like powers of knowledge and the right to judge. What do you know of this woman other than how many children she has and where she lives? The only thing you know is the colour of money.. you have no respect for or desire to understand other beings. These other beings are either a source of convience.. thier corpses something to stuff into your gaping mouths for a fleeting moment of sensual pleasure or they are a source of inconvience stealing away from you the means to obtain your waitrose sourced flesh. What have your lives taught you? That your mistakes are somehow noble whilst others' mistakes are unforgivable? Are you really that different from your fellow beings? unebalam
  • Score: -62

1:54pm Mon 30 Jun 14

edstar says...

unebalam wrote:
The self righteous bigot-brigade are out in force again. Assuming God like powers of knowledge and the right to judge.
What do you know of this woman other than how many children she has and where she lives? The only thing you know is the colour of money.. you have no respect for or desire to understand other beings.
These other beings are either a source of convience.. thier corpses something to stuff into your gaping mouths for a fleeting moment of sensual pleasure or they are a source of inconvience stealing away from you the means to obtain your waitrose sourced flesh.
What have your lives taught you? That your mistakes are somehow noble whilst others' mistakes are unforgivable? Are you really that different from your fellow beings?
we cant afford to go to Waitrose as we have no money after paying for all of our own bills and rent. Maybe we should all become unemployed single parents of 7
[quote][p][bold]unebalam[/bold] wrote: The self righteous bigot-brigade are out in force again. Assuming God like powers of knowledge and the right to judge. What do you know of this woman other than how many children she has and where she lives? The only thing you know is the colour of money.. you have no respect for or desire to understand other beings. These other beings are either a source of convience.. thier corpses something to stuff into your gaping mouths for a fleeting moment of sensual pleasure or they are a source of inconvience stealing away from you the means to obtain your waitrose sourced flesh. What have your lives taught you? That your mistakes are somehow noble whilst others' mistakes are unforgivable? Are you really that different from your fellow beings?[/p][/quote]we cant afford to go to Waitrose as we have no money after paying for all of our own bills and rent. Maybe we should all become unemployed single parents of 7 edstar
  • Score: 38

2:05pm Mon 30 Jun 14

unebalam says...

Edstar
I am very sorry you cannot afford to go to Waitrose.. but there is more to life.
What is it about this Womans life that makes you jealous? I suspect she is very rich in love because children bestow that but I also expect she has far less physical wealth than you have ..what is it that she has and you do not?
Edstar I am very sorry you cannot afford to go to Waitrose.. but there is more to life. What is it about this Womans life that makes you jealous? I suspect she is very rich in love because children bestow that but I also expect she has far less physical wealth than you have ..what is it that she has and you do not? unebalam
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2:17pm Mon 30 Jun 14

edstar says...

unebalam wrote:
Edstar
I am very sorry you cannot afford to go to Waitrose.. but there is more to life.
What is it about this Womans life that makes you jealous? I suspect she is very rich in love because children bestow that but I also expect she has far less physical wealth than you have ..what is it that she has and you do not?
I was replying to your rather silly comment above. Its all good and well that she is rich in love, but the fact is that she has 7 children who are suffering through no fault of their own as she is not responsible enough to plan to have the number of children she can afford. Now we the tax payers are expected to pay.

Do you understand this?
[quote][p][bold]unebalam[/bold] wrote: Edstar I am very sorry you cannot afford to go to Waitrose.. but there is more to life. What is it about this Womans life that makes you jealous? I suspect she is very rich in love because children bestow that but I also expect she has far less physical wealth than you have ..what is it that she has and you do not?[/p][/quote]I was replying to your rather silly comment above. Its all good and well that she is rich in love, but the fact is that she has 7 children who are suffering through no fault of their own as she is not responsible enough to plan to have the number of children she can afford. Now we the tax payers are expected to pay. Do you understand this? edstar
  • Score: 46

3:39pm Mon 30 Jun 14

bellboy007 says...

I agree with all the above comments apart from the bleeding heart of course who talks about mistakes and jealousy. Making mistakes is fine, it's part of life after all - the main thing is that you learn from them, 7 kids pumped out by immaculate conception probably and clearly mistakes just keep happening without being learnt from. I'm not jealous, I have a good life that I work **** hard for and continue to improve by studying to make my family's life that i support the best it can possibly be for the future. No, the emotion I feel is just plain anger, anger that as previous posts have said the irresponsible continue to pump out kids expecting, often demanding the state/tax payer fund them, anger at the government and this grossly distorted welfare state that has produced this problem in the first place.

If I had my way, i'd stop Child benefit/Child tax credit/and all other provisions that having loads of children bring after the 2nd child. it would save the country millions and maybe, just maybe would encourage people to be more responsible and actually look after their own kids.
I agree with all the above comments apart from the bleeding heart of course who talks about mistakes and jealousy. Making mistakes is fine, it's part of life after all - the main thing is that you learn from them, 7 kids pumped out by immaculate conception probably and clearly mistakes just keep happening without being learnt from. I'm not jealous, I have a good life that I work **** hard for and continue to improve by studying to make my family's life that i support the best it can possibly be for the future. No, the emotion I feel is just plain anger, anger that as previous posts have said the irresponsible continue to pump out kids expecting, often demanding the state/tax payer fund them, anger at the government and this grossly distorted welfare state that has produced this problem in the first place. If I had my way, i'd stop Child benefit/Child tax credit/and all other provisions that having loads of children bring after the 2nd child. it would save the country millions and maybe, just maybe would encourage people to be more responsible and actually look after their own kids. bellboy007
  • Score: 38

3:57pm Mon 30 Jun 14

jswan1 says...

unebalam wrote:
The self righteous bigot-brigade are out in force again. Assuming God like powers of knowledge and the right to judge.
What do you know of this woman other than how many children she has and where she lives? The only thing you know is the colour of money.. you have no respect for or desire to understand other beings.
These other beings are either a source of convience.. thier corpses something to stuff into your gaping mouths for a fleeting moment of sensual pleasure or they are a source of inconvience stealing away from you the means to obtain your waitrose sourced flesh.
What have your lives taught you? That your mistakes are somehow noble whilst others' mistakes are unforgivable? Are you really that different from your fellow beings?
Are you suggesting that the woman is looking for forgiveness? To me it looks as though she just wants a bigger house, and for the rest of us to pay for it. The only thing I would be happy to contribute towards would be an education in family planning.
[quote][p][bold]unebalam[/bold] wrote: The self righteous bigot-brigade are out in force again. Assuming God like powers of knowledge and the right to judge. What do you know of this woman other than how many children she has and where she lives? The only thing you know is the colour of money.. you have no respect for or desire to understand other beings. These other beings are either a source of convience.. thier corpses something to stuff into your gaping mouths for a fleeting moment of sensual pleasure or they are a source of inconvience stealing away from you the means to obtain your waitrose sourced flesh. What have your lives taught you? That your mistakes are somehow noble whilst others' mistakes are unforgivable? Are you really that different from your fellow beings?[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting that the woman is looking for forgiveness? To me it looks as though she just wants a bigger house, and for the rest of us to pay for it. The only thing I would be happy to contribute towards would be an education in family planning. jswan1
  • Score: 38

4:07pm Mon 30 Jun 14

EpsomSpectator says...

So what is the verdict on Livingstone Park? Is it not the upscale neighbour I thought it was?
So what is the verdict on Livingstone Park? Is it not the upscale neighbour I thought it was? EpsomSpectator
  • Score: -1

7:16pm Mon 30 Jun 14

EwellMan says...

EpsomSpectator wrote:
So what is the verdict on Livingstone Park? Is it not the upscale neighbour I thought it was?
Nope......most of these estate or should i say all estates with over 15 properties has to have an element of social housing. So you work long hours, save all your hard earned cash and buy the house of your dreams only to have some council sponger put in the house next door to you. The developer will tell you that its "Key Worker" housing....but thats not always true.

What a great system!!!!! Give something to the spngers that most hard working families would love or aspire to have.

That unless you live in a mega wealthy area where the develper can opt to pay the council a large amount of money to not have any socal housing just like they did over in kingswood some years ago converting the old BBC research centre.
[quote][p][bold]EpsomSpectator[/bold] wrote: So what is the verdict on Livingstone Park? Is it not the upscale neighbour I thought it was?[/p][/quote]Nope......most of these estate or should i say all estates with over 15 properties has to have an element of social housing. So you work long hours, save all your hard earned cash and buy the house of your dreams only to have some council sponger put in the house next door to you. The developer will tell you that its "Key Worker" housing....but thats not always true. What a great system!!!!! Give something to the spngers that most hard working families would love or aspire to have. That unless you live in a mega wealthy area where the develper can opt to pay the council a large amount of money to not have any socal housing just like they did over in kingswood some years ago converting the old BBC research centre. EwellMan
  • Score: 12

9:13pm Mon 30 Jun 14

George36 says...

unebalam wrote:
The self righteous bigot-brigade are out in force again. Assuming God like powers of knowledge and the right to judge.
What do you know of this woman other than how many children she has and where she lives? The only thing you know is the colour of money.. you have no respect for or desire to understand other beings.
These other beings are either a source of convience.. thier corpses something to stuff into your gaping mouths for a fleeting moment of sensual pleasure or they are a source of inconvience stealing away from you the means to obtain your waitrose sourced flesh.
What have your lives taught you? That your mistakes are somehow noble whilst others' mistakes are unforgivable? Are you really that different from your fellow beings?
If you think this selfish woman has the right to demand a bigger house & claim untold benefits why don't YOU help her or better still let her live with YOU but no doubt you're doing the same as her .The rest of us are paying taxes to keep you & your ilk - bloody ponces.
Stop preaching to the rest of we don't honestly give a monkeys about your ****. I'm fed up with people of your character who believe life is free-try going into ASDA & walking out with a trolley load of goods...
[quote][p][bold]unebalam[/bold] wrote: The self righteous bigot-brigade are out in force again. Assuming God like powers of knowledge and the right to judge. What do you know of this woman other than how many children she has and where she lives? The only thing you know is the colour of money.. you have no respect for or desire to understand other beings. These other beings are either a source of convience.. thier corpses something to stuff into your gaping mouths for a fleeting moment of sensual pleasure or they are a source of inconvience stealing away from you the means to obtain your waitrose sourced flesh. What have your lives taught you? That your mistakes are somehow noble whilst others' mistakes are unforgivable? Are you really that different from your fellow beings?[/p][/quote]If you think this selfish woman has the right to demand a bigger house & claim untold benefits why don't YOU help her or better still let her live with YOU but no doubt you're doing the same as her .The rest of us are paying taxes to keep you & your ilk - bloody ponces. Stop preaching to the rest of we don't honestly give a monkeys about your ****. I'm fed up with people of your character who believe life is free-try going into ASDA & walking out with a trolley load of goods... George36
  • Score: 22

9:35pm Mon 30 Jun 14

consultesh says...

This family are lucky to have a two bedroomed flat - some people don't have this luxury - some people feel they are entitled to so much more! Why??? Because this stupid government has made it all so possible. We are the land of milk and honey but sadly we pay the price for it. Those that are honest and hardworking especially. We pay for the ones who are not prepared to get of their lazy backsides and think that they should be handed everything on a plate. I agree with the comment about no benefits after 2 children.
This family are lucky to have a two bedroomed flat - some people don't have this luxury - some people feel they are entitled to so much more! Why??? Because this stupid government has made it all so possible. We are the land of milk and honey but sadly we pay the price for it. Those that are honest and hardworking especially. We pay for the ones who are not prepared to get of their lazy backsides and think that they should be handed everything on a plate. I agree with the comment about no benefits after 2 children. consultesh
  • Score: 29

10:35pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Melissa01 says...

How cruel and nasty people are to leave these sort of comments about somebody they do not even know. I remember a time when it was not frowned upon to have a big family, how things change. To me I think it takes huge courage to put yourself in the firing line. This is obviously Natasha's last hope of getting some help for her children, that's devotion not neglect or bad parenting. Everybody is entitled to an option of course, however I think some have to remember why the benefit system was put into place. People are to quick to judge and it's a real shame. I wish you all the best and I sincerely hope you get the help you need. I think your very brave and there is nothing in this article that's sagest you are wanting a 7 bedroom house. People are very quick to put there own version and story into place. Good luck for your future.
How cruel and nasty people are to leave these sort of comments about somebody they do not even know. I remember a time when it was not frowned upon to have a big family, how things change. To me I think it takes huge courage to put yourself in the firing line. This is obviously Natasha's last hope of getting some help for her children, that's devotion not neglect or bad parenting. Everybody is entitled to an option of course, however I think some have to remember why the benefit system was put into place. People are to quick to judge and it's a real shame. I wish you all the best and I sincerely hope you get the help you need. I think your very brave and there is nothing in this article that's sagest you are wanting a 7 bedroom house. People are very quick to put there own version and story into place. Good luck for your future. Melissa01
  • Score: -34

11:50pm Mon 30 Jun 14

sjsunny says...

Melissa01 wrote:
How cruel and nasty people are to leave these sort of comments about somebody they do not even know. I remember a time when it was not frowned upon to have a big family, how things change. To me I think it takes huge courage to put yourself in the firing line. This is obviously Natasha's last hope of getting some help for her children, that's devotion not neglect or bad parenting. Everybody is entitled to an option of course, however I think some have to remember why the benefit system was put into place. People are to quick to judge and it's a real shame. I wish you all the best and I sincerely hope you get the help you need. I think your very brave and there is nothing in this article that's sagest you are wanting a 7 bedroom house. People are very quick to put there own version and story into place. Good luck for your future.
Melissa01:
I have heard about those times too, when it was not frowned upon to have a big family! In actual fact my grandparents had 12 children, lived in a two up two down house - they worked **** hard to bring up their children and pay for their home and living expenses, not a penny was given to them in handouts. My grandfather had two jobs and my grandmother also had two jobs, in addition to bringing up all of those children., who, incidentally, all went on to be successful and independent, in part, due to the work ethic passed to them by their parents. My grandparents would have felt absolute shame to be given a handout from the state, or anyone else and if they wanted or needed anything, they didn't borrow money, they worked and saved until they could afford it! A stark contrast to this day and age were there seems to be an ever increasing sense of entitlement and an unwillingness by many in society to aspire, achieve and contribute. In my mind it's quite straightforward - if you are not happy with what you have, if you want more ......... then work for it, earn it!

The benefit system was indeed put in place for good reason, but sadly, this is being increasingly abused and those who originally introduced it would be turning in their graves if they could see the scale of abuse nowadays. In this country we have generations of families who have never worked, have no intention of working and are reliant on benefits. We have the ridiculous scenario whereby hardworking people in employment have less income than those on benefits - crazy!

I have no issue with this lady having 7 children, she can have 15 or 33 for all I care as long as she takes responsibility for their upbringing, housing etc and does not have a sense of expectation and entitlement from the taxpayer to fund her life choices.
[quote][p][bold]Melissa01[/bold] wrote: How cruel and nasty people are to leave these sort of comments about somebody they do not even know. I remember a time when it was not frowned upon to have a big family, how things change. To me I think it takes huge courage to put yourself in the firing line. This is obviously Natasha's last hope of getting some help for her children, that's devotion not neglect or bad parenting. Everybody is entitled to an option of course, however I think some have to remember why the benefit system was put into place. People are to quick to judge and it's a real shame. I wish you all the best and I sincerely hope you get the help you need. I think your very brave and there is nothing in this article that's sagest you are wanting a 7 bedroom house. People are very quick to put there own version and story into place. Good luck for your future.[/p][/quote]Melissa01: I have heard about those times too, when it was not frowned upon to have a big family! In actual fact my grandparents had 12 children, lived in a two up two down house - they worked **** hard to bring up their children and pay for their home and living expenses, not a penny was given to them in handouts. My grandfather had two jobs and my grandmother also had two jobs, in addition to bringing up all of those children., who, incidentally, all went on to be successful and independent, in part, due to the work ethic passed to them by their parents. My grandparents would have felt absolute shame to be given a handout from the state, or anyone else and if they wanted or needed anything, they didn't borrow money, they worked and saved until they could afford it! A stark contrast to this day and age were there seems to be an ever increasing sense of entitlement and an unwillingness by many in society to aspire, achieve and contribute. In my mind it's quite straightforward - if you are not happy with what you have, if you want more ......... then work for it, earn it! The benefit system was indeed put in place for good reason, but sadly, this is being increasingly abused and those who originally introduced it would be turning in their graves if they could see the scale of abuse nowadays. In this country we have generations of families who have never worked, have no intention of working and are reliant on benefits. We have the ridiculous scenario whereby hardworking people in employment have less income than those on benefits - crazy! I have no issue with this lady having 7 children, she can have 15 or 33 for all I care as long as she takes responsibility for their upbringing, housing etc and does not have a sense of expectation and entitlement from the taxpayer to fund her life choices. sjsunny
  • Score: 42

7:58am Tue 1 Jul 14

Melissa01 says...

Well I'm not sure what article you are reading because the one I'm reading mentions noting of this girl being on any benefits.....you are assuming she is, clearly you are stereotyping somebody that lives in or on a council estate is on benefits! How do you know she does not work??? You don't do you??? This story is about this girl hoping the housing system will house her and her children....that makes her a scrounges does it? Small minded people and I guarantee the people that wrote these stupid comments haven't struggled a day in there life! Because if you had of you wouldn't have an opinion like this. My husband and I were bought up in council properties with our parents struggling, I am a successful interior designer and my husband a site manger! The amount of money it costs these days to buy a property or even find a deposit for is ridicules. You could have no children and work that does not mean you would have the money to buy! You should be ashamed of yourself very very ignorant!
Well I'm not sure what article you are reading because the one I'm reading mentions noting of this girl being on any benefits.....you are assuming she is, clearly you are stereotyping somebody that lives in or on a council estate is on benefits! How do you know she does not work??? You don't do you??? This story is about this girl hoping the housing system will house her and her children....that makes her a scrounges does it? Small minded people and I guarantee the people that wrote these stupid comments haven't struggled a day in there life! Because if you had of you wouldn't have an opinion like this. My husband and I were bought up in council properties with our parents struggling, I am a successful interior designer and my husband a site manger! The amount of money it costs these days to buy a property or even find a deposit for is ridicules. You could have no children and work that does not mean you would have the money to buy! You should be ashamed of yourself very very ignorant! Melissa01
  • Score: -15

8:30am Tue 1 Jul 14

K and P Wells says...

This girl dosent deserve the stick some of you folk are giving her, her children are all clean and tidy, she is not standing there with a can of beer in her hand and a staffy dog by her side. Nobody knows what she has been through, she probably had that amount of children because probably her and her ex agreed thats what they wanted, and could pay there way at the time, I definately think you people shouldnt be writing these nasty things as you dont know what this woman has gone through.
This girl dosent deserve the stick some of you folk are giving her, her children are all clean and tidy, she is not standing there with a can of beer in her hand and a staffy dog by her side. Nobody knows what she has been through, she probably had that amount of children because probably her and her ex agreed thats what they wanted, and could pay there way at the time, I definately think you people shouldnt be writing these nasty things as you dont know what this woman has gone through. K and P Wells
  • Score: -8

8:32am Tue 1 Jul 14

Claire-12 says...

Who are you people to say what she should or shouldn't have done?? I am go smacked by the response to this article. I suppose you are all perfect and as for the comment regarding her kids being taken away that is just ridiculous. Do you really want the kids to suffer? No one knows the exact reasons for her being where she is now. She could be widowed or anything but your small minds don't allow you to think of that. I for one hope she gets to be somewhere that her children aren't all on top of each other and I'm sure she isn't asking for a mansion. It's ok for immigrants to come here and be given local houses so why shouldn't one of our own try to get somewhere better to accommodate her children?? This country is so wrong in so many ways and a majority of the comments on here stink to be honest. We are in the 21st century now!!!!
Who are you people to say what she should or shouldn't have done?? I am go smacked by the response to this article. I suppose you are all perfect and as for the comment regarding her kids being taken away that is just ridiculous. Do you really want the kids to suffer? No one knows the exact reasons for her being where she is now. She could be widowed or anything but your small minds don't allow you to think of that. I for one hope she gets to be somewhere that her children aren't all on top of each other and I'm sure she isn't asking for a mansion. It's ok for immigrants to come here and be given local houses so why shouldn't one of our own try to get somewhere better to accommodate her children?? This country is so wrong in so many ways and a majority of the comments on here stink to be honest. We are in the 21st century now!!!! Claire-12
  • Score: -16

8:41am Tue 1 Jul 14

EwellMan says...

Melissa01 wrote:
Well I'm not sure what article you are reading because the one I'm reading mentions noting of this girl being on any benefits.....you are assuming she is, clearly you are stereotyping somebody that lives in or on a council estate is on benefits! How do you know she does not work??? You don't do you??? This story is about this girl hoping the housing system will house her and her children....that makes her a scrounges does it? Small minded people and I guarantee the people that wrote these stupid comments haven't struggled a day in there life! Because if you had of you wouldn't have an opinion like this. My husband and I were bought up in council properties with our parents struggling, I am a successful interior designer and my husband a site manger! The amount of money it costs these days to buy a property or even find a deposit for is ridicules. You could have no children and work that does not mean you would have the money to buy! You should be ashamed of yourself very very ignorant!
Melissa, getting a house from the council is a form of benefit! and as one poster i will answer your comments:

I worked since i was 15 obtaining a work permit from School in order to be able to work from that age. I have worked ever since and when i first bought my house i was working a day job working between 40 and 60 hours a week and then did a cleaning job 3 evenings a week just to be able to get by. I wanted children when i was 25 but couldnt afford them so we waited and waited until i was nearer 34. My poor sister has just had her first, had to move to an undesirable area to be able to afford a house although lived all Ewell all her life and no faces the fact of not seeing her daughter grow up as has to go back to work as husband doesnt earn enough to keep her at home and doesnt want to sponge.

So before you start throwing around accustation and personal attacks think about it. Having 7 children is abnormal. Having 7 children and then thinking the state owes her something is WRONG. Loads of people have struggled in life but the fact is we are proud people and dont expect other hard working people to pay for my choice of having children.

Do you know if i lost my job tomorrow and couldnt get another quickly i would be forced to sell personal items to get cash and eventually would have my house repossesed running up large debts before my family would get anything from the council even though i have worked since i was 15 and paid tax and NI since i was 15. This is what annoys people, the fact that as times get harder the Hard working people are brushed aside and watch as people that use babies as cash and a way to get as nice house as them are on the increase.

I know what goes on, i live next door to a twenty year old couple on the social with a council paid private rented house using the same baby = house philosophy and they make my life hell with their swearing and shouting and my sister knows another that has received a 3 bed detached private rented again in her twenties in the centre of the Ewell village most probably costing the council more the £2000 a month. So this situation is not a single instnace, this is on the increase and costing the council millions

I do agree with you on the price of property but this is just the conservatives and bank of England propping up the Housing market as its the only thing they know about growing a country.
[quote][p][bold]Melissa01[/bold] wrote: Well I'm not sure what article you are reading because the one I'm reading mentions noting of this girl being on any benefits.....you are assuming she is, clearly you are stereotyping somebody that lives in or on a council estate is on benefits! How do you know she does not work??? You don't do you??? This story is about this girl hoping the housing system will house her and her children....that makes her a scrounges does it? Small minded people and I guarantee the people that wrote these stupid comments haven't struggled a day in there life! Because if you had of you wouldn't have an opinion like this. My husband and I were bought up in council properties with our parents struggling, I am a successful interior designer and my husband a site manger! The amount of money it costs these days to buy a property or even find a deposit for is ridicules. You could have no children and work that does not mean you would have the money to buy! You should be ashamed of yourself very very ignorant![/p][/quote]Melissa, getting a house from the council is a form of benefit! and as one poster i will answer your comments: I worked since i was 15 obtaining a work permit from School in order to be able to work from that age. I have worked ever since and when i first bought my house i was working a day job working between 40 and 60 hours a week and then did a cleaning job 3 evenings a week just to be able to get by. I wanted children when i was 25 but couldnt afford them so we waited and waited until i was nearer 34. My poor sister has just had her first, had to move to an undesirable area to be able to afford a house although lived all Ewell all her life and no faces the fact of not seeing her daughter grow up as has to go back to work as husband doesnt earn enough to keep her at home and doesnt want to sponge. So before you start throwing around accustation and personal attacks think about it. Having 7 children is abnormal. Having 7 children and then thinking the state owes her something is WRONG. Loads of people have struggled in life but the fact is we are proud people and dont expect other hard working people to pay for my choice of having children. Do you know if i lost my job tomorrow and couldnt get another quickly i would be forced to sell personal items to get cash and eventually would have my house repossesed running up large debts before my family would get anything from the council even though i have worked since i was 15 and paid tax and NI since i was 15. This is what annoys people, the fact that as times get harder the Hard working people are brushed aside and watch as people that use babies as cash and a way to get as nice house as them are on the increase. I know what goes on, i live next door to a twenty year old couple on the social with a council paid private rented house using the same baby = house philosophy and they make my life hell with their swearing and shouting and my sister knows another that has received a 3 bed detached private rented again in her twenties in the centre of the Ewell village most probably costing the council more the £2000 a month. So this situation is not a single instnace, this is on the increase and costing the council millions I do agree with you on the price of property but this is just the conservatives and bank of England propping up the Housing market as its the only thing they know about growing a country. EwellMan
  • Score: 24

8:56am Tue 1 Jul 14

jswan1 says...

The best solution to this, as I have already mentioned in the past, would be to find a very remote area of undeveloped waste land far away from those who do not rely on benefits and start a plan to relocate all council housed people to this area. They could be given larger houses than what they currently have, and we would not have to interact with them on a day to day basis or have their children disrupt our childrens education in the schools.

I, like many others on here, would not want the embarrassment of having a single Mum with seven children being house next door to me by the council. In addition, It would bring the prices of houses on my street right down.

This woman needs to start taking responsibility for her actions. Firstly, stop having kids if you can't afford to support them. Don't expect the rest of us to pay for it - you have no right to expect this. People in this and other countries plan their family sizes based on what they can afford - to do otherwise is completely irresponsible. Many of us would love to have loads of kids if we could afford to support them, but most have the dignity and basic common sense not to do it if it means relying on the council and taxpayers to support it.
The best solution to this, as I have already mentioned in the past, would be to find a very remote area of undeveloped waste land far away from those who do not rely on benefits and start a plan to relocate all council housed people to this area. They could be given larger houses than what they currently have, and we would not have to interact with them on a day to day basis or have their children disrupt our childrens education in the schools. I, like many others on here, would not want the embarrassment of having a single Mum with seven children being house next door to me by the council. In addition, It would bring the prices of houses on my street right down. This woman needs to start taking responsibility for her actions. Firstly, stop having kids if you can't afford to support them. Don't expect the rest of us to pay for it - you have no right to expect this. People in this and other countries plan their family sizes based on what they can afford - to do otherwise is completely irresponsible. Many of us would love to have loads of kids if we could afford to support them, but most have the dignity and basic common sense not to do it if it means relying on the council and taxpayers to support it. jswan1
  • Score: 4

9:55am Tue 1 Jul 14

helen59 says...

time to stop child benefit at 2 children now. The British tax payer is fed up paying for other people's children. If we did not give away our benefits so easily then perhaps people would think twice.

I heard a young girl on the bus the other day say " when I leave school I will get pregnant and get all the benefits I can and a free house !! ...says it all doesn't it !!
time to stop child benefit at 2 children now. The British tax payer is fed up paying for other people's children. If we did not give away our benefits so easily then perhaps people would think twice. I heard a young girl on the bus the other day say " when I leave school I will get pregnant and get all the benefits I can and a free house !! ...says it all doesn't it !! helen59
  • Score: 22

10:56am Tue 1 Jul 14

sjsunny says...

Melissa01 wrote:
Well I'm not sure what article you are reading because the one I'm reading mentions noting of this girl being on any benefits.....you are assuming she is, clearly you are stereotyping somebody that lives in or on a council estate is on benefits! How do you know she does not work??? You don't do you??? This story is about this girl hoping the housing system will house her and her children....that makes her a scrounges does it? Small minded people and I guarantee the people that wrote these stupid comments haven't struggled a day in there life! Because if you had of you wouldn't have an opinion like this. My husband and I were bought up in council properties with our parents struggling, I am a successful interior designer and my husband a site manger! The amount of money it costs these days to buy a property or even find a deposit for is ridicules. You could have no children and work that does not mean you would have the money to buy! You should be ashamed of yourself very very ignorant!
Melissa01:

Please read your original post (' I think some people need to remember why the benefits system was put into place') - you were guilty of assuming a connection with benefits!!!! I addressed this particular comment made by YOU!

Irrespective of whether this lady is on benefits or not, there is a sense of expectation and entitlement that the state should provide provide a larger property - why should it?

The reliance on the state by many people has to be curbed - there is not enough to go around, pressure on the system is mounting and if people want bigger houses they need to work for them, not just expect to be given them courtesy of the state and the taxpayer. I know many young couples who bought flats together when they first met and have since gone on to have children. They are overcrowded as they cannot afford to trade up and purchase houses or bigger flats, but they are not expecting anyone to hand them a bigger property.

I am not being ignorant or arrogant, I am just being realistic and not burying my head in the sand. This country can no longer afford it. I am all for helping people in need, but it should be just that, help at at time of need to get you on your feet and not something which is provided indefinitely, be it housing or benefits!
[quote][p][bold]Melissa01[/bold] wrote: Well I'm not sure what article you are reading because the one I'm reading mentions noting of this girl being on any benefits.....you are assuming she is, clearly you are stereotyping somebody that lives in or on a council estate is on benefits! How do you know she does not work??? You don't do you??? This story is about this girl hoping the housing system will house her and her children....that makes her a scrounges does it? Small minded people and I guarantee the people that wrote these stupid comments haven't struggled a day in there life! Because if you had of you wouldn't have an opinion like this. My husband and I were bought up in council properties with our parents struggling, I am a successful interior designer and my husband a site manger! The amount of money it costs these days to buy a property or even find a deposit for is ridicules. You could have no children and work that does not mean you would have the money to buy! You should be ashamed of yourself very very ignorant![/p][/quote]Melissa01: Please read your original post (' I think some people need to remember why the benefits system was put into place') - you were guilty of assuming a connection with benefits!!!! I addressed this particular comment made by YOU! Irrespective of whether this lady is on benefits or not, there is a sense of expectation and entitlement that the state should provide provide a larger property - why should it? The reliance on the state by many people has to be curbed - there is not enough to go around, pressure on the system is mounting and if people want bigger houses they need to work for them, not just expect to be given them courtesy of the state and the taxpayer. I know many young couples who bought flats together when they first met and have since gone on to have children. They are overcrowded as they cannot afford to trade up and purchase houses or bigger flats, but they are not expecting anyone to hand them a bigger property. I am not being ignorant or arrogant, I am just being realistic and not burying my head in the sand. This country can no longer afford it. I am all for helping people in need, but it should be just that, help at at time of need to get you on your feet and not something which is provided indefinitely, be it housing or benefits! sjsunny
  • Score: 19

11:34am Tue 1 Jul 14

chillieman says...

WHAT A NASTY , MEAN SPIRITED BUNCH OF HORRIBLE PEOPLE YOU ARE. I THINK JSWAN COMES IN AT NUMBER 0NE ON THE HATE PARADE ,WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ALL. THERE ARE VERY FEW JOBS OUT THERE IN THE REAL WORLD THAT PAY DECENT WAGES ,VERY FEW FOLK CAN AFFORD TO BUY A HOME THAT IS WHY THERE IS WHAT IS NOW CALLED SOCIAL HOUSING. GREW UP ON COUNCIL ESTATES, so according to jswan my family must be rubbish , he must be right because my old man was a rear airgunner in the R.A.F in ww2,mum,she worked her arse off in factorie still she retired ,the old man did the same. I HAVE WORKED HARD SINCE THE DAY I LEFT SCHOOL IN 66. and my sons both have jobs and work hard,yet we live in rented accommodation .so we must be scum then jswan. by the way do any of you heartless people realise how much money the government spends on warfare,overseas aid,on themselves and as a matter of fact it is about one percent of people on benefits are actually ripping off the taxpayer.ONE DAY MOST OF US ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WILL NEED HELP ,YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT TOMORROW WILL BRING SO WHY NOT HAVE A LITTLE COMPASSION FOR OTHERS .SO THIS LADY NEEDS A DECENT PLACE TO LIVE IN ,WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT,THINK ABOUT IT YOU HORRIBLE ,SELFISH BUNCH OF SELF RIGHTEOUS (fill in this area with an offensive word of your choice )... no LOVE AND PEACE FOR YOU LOT TODAY,EXCEPT FOR MELISSA AND THE OTHERS WHO SHOWED KIND WORDS IN THEIR COMMENTS ..LOVE AND CHICKENS ,,CHILLIEMAN
WHAT A NASTY , MEAN SPIRITED BUNCH OF HORRIBLE PEOPLE YOU ARE. I THINK JSWAN COMES IN AT NUMBER 0NE ON THE HATE PARADE ,WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ALL. THERE ARE VERY FEW JOBS OUT THERE IN THE REAL WORLD THAT PAY DECENT WAGES ,VERY FEW FOLK CAN AFFORD TO BUY A HOME THAT IS WHY THERE IS WHAT IS NOW CALLED SOCIAL HOUSING. GREW UP ON COUNCIL ESTATES, so according to jswan my family must be rubbish , he must be right because my old man was a rear airgunner in the R.A.F in ww2,mum,she worked her arse off in factorie still she retired ,the old man did the same. I HAVE WORKED HARD SINCE THE DAY I LEFT SCHOOL IN 66. and my sons both have jobs and work hard,yet we live in rented accommodation .so we must be scum then jswan. by the way do any of you heartless people realise how much money the government spends on warfare,overseas aid,on themselves and as a matter of fact it is about one percent of people on benefits are actually ripping off the taxpayer.ONE DAY MOST OF US ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WILL NEED HELP ,YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT TOMORROW WILL BRING SO WHY NOT HAVE A LITTLE COMPASSION FOR OTHERS .SO THIS LADY NEEDS A DECENT PLACE TO LIVE IN ,WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT,THINK ABOUT IT YOU HORRIBLE ,SELFISH BUNCH OF SELF RIGHTEOUS (fill in this area with an offensive word of your choice )... no LOVE AND PEACE FOR YOU LOT TODAY,EXCEPT FOR MELISSA AND THE OTHERS WHO SHOWED KIND WORDS IN THEIR COMMENTS ..LOVE AND CHICKENS ,,CHILLIEMAN chillieman
  • Score: 1

11:39am Tue 1 Jul 14

Melissa01 says...

EwellMan wrote:
Melissa01 wrote:
Well I'm not sure what article you are reading because the one I'm reading mentions noting of this girl being on any benefits.....you are assuming she is, clearly you are stereotyping somebody that lives in or on a council estate is on benefits! How do you know she does not work??? You don't do you??? This story is about this girl hoping the housing system will house her and her children....that makes her a scrounges does it? Small minded people and I guarantee the people that wrote these stupid comments haven't struggled a day in there life! Because if you had of you wouldn't have an opinion like this. My husband and I were bought up in council properties with our parents struggling, I am a successful interior designer and my husband a site manger! The amount of money it costs these days to buy a property or even find a deposit for is ridicules. You could have no children and work that does not mean you would have the money to buy! You should be ashamed of yourself very very ignorant!
Melissa, getting a house from the council is a form of benefit! and as one poster i will answer your comments:

I worked since i was 15 obtaining a work permit from School in order to be able to work from that age. I have worked ever since and when i first bought my house i was working a day job working between 40 and 60 hours a week and then did a cleaning job 3 evenings a week just to be able to get by. I wanted children when i was 25 but couldnt afford them so we waited and waited until i was nearer 34. My poor sister has just had her first, had to move to an undesirable area to be able to afford a house although lived all Ewell all her life and no faces the fact of not seeing her daughter grow up as has to go back to work as husband doesnt earn enough to keep her at home and doesnt want to sponge.

So before you start throwing around accustation and personal attacks think about it. Having 7 children is abnormal. Having 7 children and then thinking the state owes her something is WRONG. Loads of people have struggled in life but the fact is we are proud people and dont expect other hard working people to pay for my choice of having children.

Do you know if i lost my job tomorrow and couldnt get another quickly i would be forced to sell personal items to get cash and eventually would have my house repossesed running up large debts before my family would get anything from the council even though i have worked since i was 15 and paid tax and NI since i was 15. This is what annoys people, the fact that as times get harder the Hard working people are brushed aside and watch as people that use babies as cash and a way to get as nice house as them are on the increase.

I know what goes on, i live next door to a twenty year old couple on the social with a council paid private rented house using the same baby = house philosophy and they make my life hell with their swearing and shouting and my sister knows another that has received a 3 bed detached private rented again in her twenties in the centre of the Ewell village most probably costing the council more the £2000 a month. So this situation is not a single instnace, this is on the increase and costing the council millions

I do agree with you on the price of property but this is just the conservatives and bank of England propping up the Housing market as its the only thing they know about growing a country.
Having 7 children is abnormal? And who are you to say what is normal or abnormal? I'm
Not going to bicker and argue I'm far to proud and it's not my style. I will say though that more people with a positive attitude and less people with negative attitude will make the world a lot more happy. To say she shouldn't have her children and things like that is silliness! God forbid anything happens in your lifetime where you have to rely on the housing system or benefit system....
[quote][p][bold]EwellMan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Melissa01[/bold] wrote: Well I'm not sure what article you are reading because the one I'm reading mentions noting of this girl being on any benefits.....you are assuming she is, clearly you are stereotyping somebody that lives in or on a council estate is on benefits! How do you know she does not work??? You don't do you??? This story is about this girl hoping the housing system will house her and her children....that makes her a scrounges does it? Small minded people and I guarantee the people that wrote these stupid comments haven't struggled a day in there life! Because if you had of you wouldn't have an opinion like this. My husband and I were bought up in council properties with our parents struggling, I am a successful interior designer and my husband a site manger! The amount of money it costs these days to buy a property or even find a deposit for is ridicules. You could have no children and work that does not mean you would have the money to buy! You should be ashamed of yourself very very ignorant![/p][/quote]Melissa, getting a house from the council is a form of benefit! and as one poster i will answer your comments: I worked since i was 15 obtaining a work permit from School in order to be able to work from that age. I have worked ever since and when i first bought my house i was working a day job working between 40 and 60 hours a week and then did a cleaning job 3 evenings a week just to be able to get by. I wanted children when i was 25 but couldnt afford them so we waited and waited until i was nearer 34. My poor sister has just had her first, had to move to an undesirable area to be able to afford a house although lived all Ewell all her life and no faces the fact of not seeing her daughter grow up as has to go back to work as husband doesnt earn enough to keep her at home and doesnt want to sponge. So before you start throwing around accustation and personal attacks think about it. Having 7 children is abnormal. Having 7 children and then thinking the state owes her something is WRONG. Loads of people have struggled in life but the fact is we are proud people and dont expect other hard working people to pay for my choice of having children. Do you know if i lost my job tomorrow and couldnt get another quickly i would be forced to sell personal items to get cash and eventually would have my house repossesed running up large debts before my family would get anything from the council even though i have worked since i was 15 and paid tax and NI since i was 15. This is what annoys people, the fact that as times get harder the Hard working people are brushed aside and watch as people that use babies as cash and a way to get as nice house as them are on the increase. I know what goes on, i live next door to a twenty year old couple on the social with a council paid private rented house using the same baby = house philosophy and they make my life hell with their swearing and shouting and my sister knows another that has received a 3 bed detached private rented again in her twenties in the centre of the Ewell village most probably costing the council more the £2000 a month. So this situation is not a single instnace, this is on the increase and costing the council millions I do agree with you on the price of property but this is just the conservatives and bank of England propping up the Housing market as its the only thing they know about growing a country.[/p][/quote]Having 7 children is abnormal? And who are you to say what is normal or abnormal? I'm Not going to bicker and argue I'm far to proud and it's not my style. I will say though that more people with a positive attitude and less people with negative attitude will make the world a lot more happy. To say she shouldn't have her children and things like that is silliness! God forbid anything happens in your lifetime where you have to rely on the housing system or benefit system.... Melissa01
  • Score: -13

11:55am Tue 1 Jul 14

unebalam says...

Its fairly clear that what matters to many people is money, specifically house prices, their fellow humans and non-humans don't even register.
The true irony is of course that the people who own most of the wealth avoid paying taxes quite willfully they actually have the choice and they choose to defaud society , and you respond with admiration and foster a desire to be like them.
The poor have no choice, do you have any idea how hard it is to live on the pittance that is welfare benefit ? The simple fact is that life is extremely difficult and complicated and most people simply don't choose the circumstances in which they live.
Much easier to attribute the blame for society's problems on the poor and unfortunate. I suspect this is only going to get worse judging from the fact that the mindless googlebox seems to be producing less broadcasts ramping up property prices and more attacking the poor and those on benefits.
It is of course these broadcasts which supply many of comments that we see posted above. Any rational thinking human being would realise how cold and inhumane their comments were if they were thinking about them rather than reguritating them.
Its fairly clear that what matters to many people is money, specifically house prices, their fellow humans and non-humans don't even register. The true irony is of course that the people who own most of the wealth avoid paying taxes quite willfully they actually have the choice and they choose to defaud society , and you respond with admiration and foster a desire to be like them. The poor have no choice, do you have any idea how hard it is to live on the pittance that is welfare benefit ? The simple fact is that life is extremely difficult and complicated and most people simply don't choose the circumstances in which they live. Much easier to attribute the blame for society's problems on the poor and unfortunate. I suspect this is only going to get worse judging from the fact that the mindless googlebox seems to be producing less broadcasts ramping up property prices and more attacking the poor and those on benefits. It is of course these broadcasts which supply many of comments that we see posted above. Any rational thinking human being would realise how cold and inhumane their comments were if they were thinking about them rather than reguritating them. unebalam
  • Score: -9

12:14pm Tue 1 Jul 14

jswan1 says...

Of course having seven children is abnormal. That is a fact. The Office for National Statistics shows that the average number of children per married couple is 1.8 as of 2012, which is actually higher than the European average.

So to have 7 children, and by 27 years of age, and be a single mother, now that is absolutely abnormal. We are talking facts here. It doesn't matter whether you think she deserves to be supported by the State or not, the fact is that it is abnormal to have 7 children, even without factoring in her being 27 and being single.

I don't know whether she planned to have this many children, if they were all planned, then that's very bad family planning given she has ended up in a two bed flat. Clearly there was an assumption that she could continue to have children on the basis that the State would provide the support for them all.

My personal view is that it is so unfair on the children. They look like a lovely bunch of kids, but are reliant on the State to support them through no fault of their own. I really feel for them and in that respect I do think we as tax payers should support them, but ideally they would be separated from the mother as it appears she has been extremely irresponsible in creating this situation and for each additional child created it must make it harder for the others to get sufficient levels of care and attention.

I don't care how much somebody will fight their corner about how much of a great and dedicated mother they are - the bottom line is that the more children one has, the less time a parent can allocate towards each childs individual needs.
Of course having seven children is abnormal. That is a fact. The Office for National Statistics shows that the average number of children per married couple is 1.8 as of 2012, which is actually higher than the European average. So to have 7 children, and by 27 years of age, and be a single mother, now that is absolutely abnormal. We are talking facts here. It doesn't matter whether you think she deserves to be supported by the State or not, the fact is that it is abnormal to have 7 children, even without factoring in her being 27 and being single. I don't know whether she planned to have this many children, if they were all planned, then that's very bad family planning given she has ended up in a two bed flat. Clearly there was an assumption that she could continue to have children on the basis that the State would provide the support for them all. My personal view is that it is so unfair on the children. They look like a lovely bunch of kids, but are reliant on the State to support them through no fault of their own. I really feel for them and in that respect I do think we as tax payers should support them, but ideally they would be separated from the mother as it appears she has been extremely irresponsible in creating this situation and for each additional child created it must make it harder for the others to get sufficient levels of care and attention. I don't care how much somebody will fight their corner about how much of a great and dedicated mother they are - the bottom line is that the more children one has, the less time a parent can allocate towards each childs individual needs. jswan1
  • Score: 7

12:32pm Tue 1 Jul 14

bellboy007 says...

unebalam wrote:
Its fairly clear that what matters to many people is money, specifically house prices, their fellow humans and non-humans don't even register.
The true irony is of course that the people who own most of the wealth avoid paying taxes quite willfully they actually have the choice and they choose to defaud society , and you respond with admiration and foster a desire to be like them.
The poor have no choice, do you have any idea how hard it is to live on the pittance that is welfare benefit ? The simple fact is that life is extremely difficult and complicated and most people simply don't choose the circumstances in which they live.
Much easier to attribute the blame for society's problems on the poor and unfortunate. I suspect this is only going to get worse judging from the fact that the mindless googlebox seems to be producing less broadcasts ramping up property prices and more attacking the poor and those on benefits.
It is of course these broadcasts which supply many of comments that we see posted above. Any rational thinking human being would realise how cold and inhumane their comments were if they were thinking about them rather than reguritating them.
The poor have no choice?? On this occasion of course she had a choice, no one forced her to have 7 children. Personally i don't care how many children she has, everyone has the right to have as many children as they like, it's not the issue - the issue is why on earth should the state fund and pay for them? where do you draw the line? What if she has another 2,3 or 4 more, what happens then? Move to another house or knock 2 houses into one? When does it start being irresponsible?
[quote][p][bold]unebalam[/bold] wrote: Its fairly clear that what matters to many people is money, specifically house prices, their fellow humans and non-humans don't even register. The true irony is of course that the people who own most of the wealth avoid paying taxes quite willfully they actually have the choice and they choose to defaud society , and you respond with admiration and foster a desire to be like them. The poor have no choice, do you have any idea how hard it is to live on the pittance that is welfare benefit ? The simple fact is that life is extremely difficult and complicated and most people simply don't choose the circumstances in which they live. Much easier to attribute the blame for society's problems on the poor and unfortunate. I suspect this is only going to get worse judging from the fact that the mindless googlebox seems to be producing less broadcasts ramping up property prices and more attacking the poor and those on benefits. It is of course these broadcasts which supply many of comments that we see posted above. Any rational thinking human being would realise how cold and inhumane their comments were if they were thinking about them rather than reguritating them.[/p][/quote]The poor have no choice?? On this occasion of course she had a choice, no one forced her to have 7 children. Personally i don't care how many children she has, everyone has the right to have as many children as they like, it's not the issue - the issue is why on earth should the state fund and pay for them? where do you draw the line? What if she has another 2,3 or 4 more, what happens then? Move to another house or knock 2 houses into one? When does it start being irresponsible? bellboy007
  • Score: 15

12:41pm Tue 1 Jul 14

EpsomSpectator says...

I think the comments really are broken into 3 distinct areas:

1. Are they nice people? We have no idea, but I suspect yes! It is also a free choice as to how many kids someone has and no one can dictate when someone should stop.

2. Is ti wrong to claim so much benefits? Personally, yes I think it's wrong! Despite it being a free choice to have children, if it impacts on reduced spending available elsewhere, then it is no longer a private matter and it is something that has an impact on everyone else around.

3. Is she doing anyone harm? See 2 above, but also, having so many people crammed into a 2 bed flat, does it mean that it will be a noisy residence? Is this going to make Livingstone Park a noisy place to live with too many children running around? Really depends on what the local residents there think.
I think the comments really are broken into 3 distinct areas: 1. Are they nice people? We have no idea, but I suspect yes! It is also a free choice as to how many kids someone has and no one can dictate when someone should stop. 2. Is ti wrong to claim so much benefits? Personally, yes I think it's wrong! Despite it being a free choice to have children, if it impacts on reduced spending available elsewhere, then it is no longer a private matter and it is something that has an impact on everyone else around. 3. Is she doing anyone harm? See 2 above, but also, having so many people crammed into a 2 bed flat, does it mean that it will be a noisy residence? Is this going to make Livingstone Park a noisy place to live with too many children running around? Really depends on what the local residents there think. EpsomSpectator
  • Score: 4

12:47pm Tue 1 Jul 14

SheilaBB90 says...

Claire-12 wrote:
Who are you people to say what she should or shouldn't have done?? I am go smacked by the response to this article. I suppose you are all perfect and as for the comment regarding her kids being taken away that is just ridiculous. Do you really want the kids to suffer? No one knows the exact reasons for her being where she is now. She could be widowed or anything but your small minds don't allow you to think of that. I for one hope she gets to be somewhere that her children aren't all on top of each other and I'm sure she isn't asking for a mansion. It's ok for immigrants to come here and be given local houses so why shouldn't one of our own try to get somewhere better to accommodate her children?? This country is so wrong in so many ways and a majority of the comments on here stink to be honest. We are in the 21st century now!!!!
It's not ok for immigrants to live here though and take all out housing and benefits and medical treatment - it's a disgrace all round!
[quote][p][bold]Claire-12[/bold] wrote: Who are you people to say what she should or shouldn't have done?? I am go smacked by the response to this article. I suppose you are all perfect and as for the comment regarding her kids being taken away that is just ridiculous. Do you really want the kids to suffer? No one knows the exact reasons for her being where she is now. She could be widowed or anything but your small minds don't allow you to think of that. I for one hope she gets to be somewhere that her children aren't all on top of each other and I'm sure she isn't asking for a mansion. It's ok for immigrants to come here and be given local houses so why shouldn't one of our own try to get somewhere better to accommodate her children?? This country is so wrong in so many ways and a majority of the comments on here stink to be honest. We are in the 21st century now!!!![/p][/quote]It's not ok for immigrants to live here though and take all out housing and benefits and medical treatment - it's a disgrace all round! SheilaBB90
  • Score: 8

12:56pm Tue 1 Jul 14

unebalam says...

Why on earth should the state fund and pay for them?
Because not to do so would be inhumane. To remove them from a caring and loving m,other.. Inhumane.
So we have a clear choice Save a few quid and be inhumane, support them and be Humane. I am ashamed on behalf of my fellow Human Beings that opt for the Inhumane choice. I can only hope that circumstances do not force you to be reliant on peoples good will, it could easily happen. It is after all a wild world.

Jswans obsession with 'normality' does raise a good point, this is not the 'norm' it is quite extraordinary in fact.. lets celetbrate the extraordinary, the world is extraordinary!
Why on earth should the state fund and pay for them? Because not to do so would be inhumane. To remove them from a caring and loving m,other.. Inhumane. So we have a clear choice Save a few quid and be inhumane, support them and be Humane. I am ashamed on behalf of my fellow Human Beings that opt for the Inhumane choice. I can only hope that circumstances do not force you to be reliant on peoples good will, it could easily happen. It is after all a wild world. Jswans obsession with 'normality' does raise a good point, this is not the 'norm' it is quite extraordinary in fact.. lets celetbrate the extraordinary, the world is extraordinary! unebalam
  • Score: -7

1:03pm Tue 1 Jul 14

edstar says...

unebalam wrote:
Why on earth should the state fund and pay for them?
Because not to do so would be inhumane. To remove them from a caring and loving m,other.. Inhumane.
So we have a clear choice Save a few quid and be inhumane, support them and be Humane. I am ashamed on behalf of my fellow Human Beings that opt for the Inhumane choice. I can only hope that circumstances do not force you to be reliant on peoples good will, it could easily happen. It is after all a wild world.

Jswans obsession with 'normality' does raise a good point, this is not the 'norm' it is quite extraordinary in fact.. lets celetbrate the extraordinary, the world is extraordinary!
so do you think its a humane to have 7 children with no way of supporting them?
[quote][p][bold]unebalam[/bold] wrote: Why on earth should the state fund and pay for them? Because not to do so would be inhumane. To remove them from a caring and loving m,other.. Inhumane. So we have a clear choice Save a few quid and be inhumane, support them and be Humane. I am ashamed on behalf of my fellow Human Beings that opt for the Inhumane choice. I can only hope that circumstances do not force you to be reliant on peoples good will, it could easily happen. It is after all a wild world. Jswans obsession with 'normality' does raise a good point, this is not the 'norm' it is quite extraordinary in fact.. lets celetbrate the extraordinary, the world is extraordinary![/p][/quote]so do you think its a humane to have 7 children with no way of supporting them? edstar
  • Score: 14

1:10pm Tue 1 Jul 14

sjsunny says...

In an ideal world it would be great to be able to help everyone, sadly, that ideal no longer exists. We have elderly people who are unable to heat their houses or afford a decent meal, we have vulnerable people living on the streets. We need to prioritise the assistance we can provide within the budget available.

The UK population has increased by 5 million since 2001 and is predicted to increase further still. Things have to adapt.

To those who support the continued reliance on the State I welcome your thoughts as to how the UK is going to be able to afford this idealistic utopia!
In an ideal world it would be great to be able to help everyone, sadly, that ideal no longer exists. We have elderly people who are unable to heat their houses or afford a decent meal, we have vulnerable people living on the streets. We need to prioritise the assistance we can provide within the budget available. The UK population has increased by 5 million since 2001 and is predicted to increase further still. Things have to adapt. To those who support the continued reliance on the State I welcome your thoughts as to how the UK is going to be able to afford this idealistic utopia! sjsunny
  • Score: 15

1:15pm Tue 1 Jul 14

unebalam says...

We are all unaware of the exact circumstances this situation arose. and quite honestly it is none of our business. Based on the information we have it would be inhuman to not assist.
Suggestions of forced sterilisation and removing the Children from thier Mother are abhorrent, I actually find it difficult to believe anyone would suggest such a thing.
We are all unaware of the exact circumstances this situation arose. and quite honestly it is none of our business. Based on the information we have it would be inhuman to not assist. Suggestions of forced sterilisation and removing the Children from thier Mother are abhorrent, I actually find it difficult to believe anyone would suggest such a thing. unebalam
  • Score: 1

1:20pm Tue 1 Jul 14

EwellMan says...

Melissa01 says...

Having 7 children is abnormal? And who are you to say what is normal or abnormal? I'm
Not going to bicker and argue I'm far to proud and it's not my style. I will say though that more people with a positive attitude and less people with negative attitude will make the world a lot more happy. To say she shouldn't have her children and things like that is silliness! God forbid anything happens in your lifetime where you have to rely on the housing system or benefit system....

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Having 7 children is not normal and i have never met anyone in my lifetime that has more than 4 and if you look at the statistics its rare.

You are right, we dont know her circumstances and yes some of the comments on her may seem truthful but lets be honest going public on the Gaurdian and criticising the council because you only live in a 2 bed flat screams out at, "I want a 5/6 or even 7 bed house for free which lets be clear will cost the taxpayer in excess of £3000 a month.

So Melissa......tell me you disagree with the following:

1. This lady getting a £3000 house for free because of her choice on children?
2. That other young couples working hard that grew up in epsom and ewell are forced to move out the area because they cant even afford a 1 bed flat?
3. That should she be given something for free that some working families would struggle to afford? I know a family that work hard and have 3 children but live in a cramped 3 bed semi because thats all they can afford.
4. Why her parents, the dad/s of the children or the dads parents are not made to support her and her choice of children? why the taxpayer?
5. Why she went public? Is if to force the council to move her?
6. These children will be classed as more needy that hard working families children so will get precedence on school places and then be entitled to free meals etc again paid for by the taxpayer.

So maybe the Gaurdian need to do a follow up article with some more info on her, her life, her choices and then people can make a more accurate judgement of her.
Simple fact is, if you cant afford to have children, then dont have them , its not fair on the children having to live like that and not fair on the hard working tax paying public.
Melissa01 says... Having 7 children is abnormal? And who are you to say what is normal or abnormal? I'm Not going to bicker and argue I'm far to proud and it's not my style. I will say though that more people with a positive attitude and less people with negative attitude will make the world a lot more happy. To say she shouldn't have her children and things like that is silliness! God forbid anything happens in your lifetime where you have to rely on the housing system or benefit system.... -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- Having 7 children is not normal and i have never met anyone in my lifetime that has more than 4 and if you look at the statistics its rare. You are right, we dont know her circumstances and yes some of the comments on her may seem truthful but lets be honest going public on the Gaurdian and criticising the council because you only live in a 2 bed flat screams out at, "I want a 5/6 or even 7 bed house for free which lets be clear will cost the taxpayer in excess of £3000 a month. So Melissa......tell me you disagree with the following: 1. This lady getting a £3000 house for free because of her choice on children? 2. That other young couples working hard that grew up in epsom and ewell are forced to move out the area because they cant even afford a 1 bed flat? 3. That should she be given something for free that some working families would struggle to afford? I know a family that work hard and have 3 children but live in a cramped 3 bed semi because thats all they can afford. 4. Why her parents, the dad/s of the children or the dads parents are not made to support her and her choice of children? why the taxpayer? 5. Why she went public? Is if to force the council to move her? 6. These children will be classed as more needy that hard working families children so will get precedence on school places and then be entitled to free meals etc again paid for by the taxpayer. So maybe the Gaurdian need to do a follow up article with some more info on her, her life, her choices and then people can make a more accurate judgement of her. Simple fact is, if you cant afford to have children, then dont have them , its not fair on the children having to live like that and not fair on the hard working tax paying public. EwellMan
  • Score: 18

1:29pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Claire-12 says...

Do you honestly think that someone would choose to have 7 children to be left to bring them up alone? I think not. Nobody knows of this lady's reason for being a single parent so you shouldn't judge. I myself am a single parent and have a child with ADHD, this is hard to cope with alone with only one child. Her children look well kept and respectable and so does she. She is clearly doing the best she can in a bad situation so stop mocking her and give her some support. As I said before immigrants can come here and get housed with no problems. She isn't asking for a mansion just somewhere that her kids will have abit more room. That is looking out for her kids like any good mother would surely. I'm sure you would have a different opinion if this was the case for someone in your own families. If you want to complain about what your taxes pay for surely you should be more against it being used to house people from other countries?? I assume you are all from a completely different era. Times change!!!
Do you honestly think that someone would choose to have 7 children to be left to bring them up alone? I think not. Nobody knows of this lady's reason for being a single parent so you shouldn't judge. I myself am a single parent and have a child with ADHD, this is hard to cope with alone with only one child. Her children look well kept and respectable and so does she. She is clearly doing the best she can in a bad situation so stop mocking her and give her some support. As I said before immigrants can come here and get housed with no problems. She isn't asking for a mansion just somewhere that her kids will have abit more room. That is looking out for her kids like any good mother would surely. I'm sure you would have a different opinion if this was the case for someone in your own families. If you want to complain about what your taxes pay for surely you should be more against it being used to house people from other countries?? I assume you are all from a completely different era. Times change!!! Claire-12
  • Score: -8

1:44pm Tue 1 Jul 14

unebalam says...

and now you are having a go at the 'immigrants'..

sigh...

ALL are ONE
and now you are having a go at the 'immigrants'.. sigh... ALL are ONE unebalam
  • Score: -5

2:36pm Tue 1 Jul 14

EwellMan says...

Claire-12 wrote:
Do you honestly think that someone would choose to have 7 children to be left to bring them up alone? I think not. Nobody knows of this lady's reason for being a single parent so you shouldn't judge. I myself am a single parent and have a child with ADHD, this is hard to cope with alone with only one child. Her children look well kept and respectable and so does she. She is clearly doing the best she can in a bad situation so stop mocking her and give her some support. As I said before immigrants can come here and get housed with no problems. She isn't asking for a mansion just somewhere that her kids will have abit more room. That is looking out for her kids like any good mother would surely. I'm sure you would have a different opinion if this was the case for someone in your own families. If you want to complain about what your taxes pay for surely you should be more against it being used to house people from other countries?? I assume you are all from a completely different era. Times change!!!
I think she did choose to have 7 otherwise would of used methods to protect against having that many. I am not stating she is a bad mother or judgin on her ability to be a good mother only that she has chosen to go public stating she needs a bigger house and most peoples reaction on here is against that and purely that. You are stating that she's not asking for a mansion but what size house will she require to bring up 7 kids? The responsibility should first go to her parents, the father/s of the children and the father/s parents and then be forced upon the council. Its all too easy to have that amount of children and then expect someone else to pickup the bill.

As for people from other countries, that is a big issue too and schools in the borough are plagued by that in a mssive way. That would not be such an issue in small numbers as brits also have the option to live abroad, the issue there is the amount of foreigh children and non English speaking children being housed and schooled but we dont want to deviate from this particulr topic.
[quote][p][bold]Claire-12[/bold] wrote: Do you honestly think that someone would choose to have 7 children to be left to bring them up alone? I think not. Nobody knows of this lady's reason for being a single parent so you shouldn't judge. I myself am a single parent and have a child with ADHD, this is hard to cope with alone with only one child. Her children look well kept and respectable and so does she. She is clearly doing the best she can in a bad situation so stop mocking her and give her some support. As I said before immigrants can come here and get housed with no problems. She isn't asking for a mansion just somewhere that her kids will have abit more room. That is looking out for her kids like any good mother would surely. I'm sure you would have a different opinion if this was the case for someone in your own families. If you want to complain about what your taxes pay for surely you should be more against it being used to house people from other countries?? I assume you are all from a completely different era. Times change!!![/p][/quote]I think she did choose to have 7 otherwise would of used methods to protect against having that many. I am not stating she is a bad mother or judgin on her ability to be a good mother only that she has chosen to go public stating she needs a bigger house and most peoples reaction on here is against that and purely that. You are stating that she's not asking for a mansion but what size house will she require to bring up 7 kids? The responsibility should first go to her parents, the father/s of the children and the father/s parents and then be forced upon the council. Its all too easy to have that amount of children and then expect someone else to pickup the bill. As for people from other countries, that is a big issue too and schools in the borough are plagued by that in a mssive way. That would not be such an issue in small numbers as brits also have the option to live abroad, the issue there is the amount of foreigh children and non English speaking children being housed and schooled but we dont want to deviate from this particulr topic. EwellMan
  • Score: 11

5:01pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Judi456 says...

A single young woman in the UK only has seven children because she thinks the State will get her a bigger house and pay her thousands in benefits. Her plan has backfired. If she cant manage, and she obviously cant, get her sterilised so she doesnt have any more. Seven is more than enough if you cant afford them. There are women who yearn for children, are married with a home of their own, and can afford them without sponging on the State. Perhaps if she had thought of keeping her legs crossed a few years ago, she might be in a better position, excuse the pun. And maybe she would have found the time to GET A JOB.
A single young woman in the UK only has seven children because she thinks the State will get her a bigger house and pay her thousands in benefits. Her plan has backfired. If she cant manage, and she obviously cant, get her sterilised so she doesnt have any more. Seven is more than enough if you cant afford them. There are women who yearn for children, are married with a home of their own, and can afford them without sponging on the State. Perhaps if she had thought of keeping her legs crossed a few years ago, she might be in a better position, excuse the pun. And maybe she would have found the time to GET A JOB. Judi456
  • Score: 0

5:29pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Havanax says...

while I know you all have your own thoughts on this I think many if you are disgusting yeah she wanted 7 Children that's up to her but how can you all sit behind a computer slating her when how many people come from other countries and get giving houses and free benifeit a look at that guy who was a bomb plotter and was deported back to us he's wife and children still live her and us tax payers pay for then to live in the half a million pound gated house think that's you all should maybe think before slating Natasha her kids as you can see are well liked after her partying skills have nothing todo with her housing situation and saying women have children to get a house so what makes it again for people from other countries to come here and be pushed to the top of housing list while many are left years before getting help don't jump to all these nasty comments and think it's okay people have feeling didn't your parent ever say if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything
while I know you all have your own thoughts on this I think many if you are disgusting yeah she wanted 7 Children that's up to her but how can you all sit behind a computer slating her when how many people come from other countries and get giving houses and free benifeit a look at that guy who was a bomb plotter and was deported back to us he's wife and children still live her and us tax payers pay for then to live in the half a million pound gated house think that's you all should maybe think before slating Natasha her kids as you can see are well liked after her partying skills have nothing todo with her housing situation and saying women have children to get a house so what makes it again for people from other countries to come here and be pushed to the top of housing list while many are left years before getting help don't jump to all these nasty comments and think it's okay people have feeling didn't your parent ever say if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything Havanax
  • Score: -7

5:46pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Havanax says...

Parenting *
Parenting * Havanax
  • Score: 0

6:46pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Sammy03 says...

I think it's disgusting some of the things that you people are saying so what if she has 7 children, I'm pretty sure that if u didn't have a well paid job and your own house u would be living in a council property wether u have kids or not , you people make me laugh too quick to judge, sometimes it's better to keep your opinions to yourself, just think how this girl must be feeling with your nasty little comments, not everyone's perfect!!!!!!
I think it's disgusting some of the things that you people are saying so what if she has 7 children, I'm pretty sure that if u didn't have a well paid job and your own house u would be living in a council property wether u have kids or not , you people make me laugh too quick to judge, sometimes it's better to keep your opinions to yourself, just think how this girl must be feeling with your nasty little comments, not everyone's perfect!!!!!! Sammy03
  • Score: -7

7:09pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Melissa01 says...

Judi456 wrote:
A single young woman in the UK only has seven children because she thinks the State will get her a bigger house and pay her thousands in benefits. Her plan has backfired. If she cant manage, and she obviously cant, get her sterilised so she doesnt have any more. Seven is more than enough if you cant afford them. There are women who yearn for children, are married with a home of their own, and can afford them without sponging on the State. Perhaps if she had thought of keeping her legs crossed a few years ago, she might be in a better position, excuse the pun. And maybe she would have found the time to GET A JOB.
That is just rude! Who speaks in that sort of term! Clearly you have no manors or morals! People have the cheek to slate 'council estate' people for being all sorts of horrible things and there's YOU that comes out with a vile comment like that! You clearly was not bought up in the correct manor and if I was your parent I would be extremely ashamed! Bloody cheek!!
[quote][p][bold]Judi456[/bold] wrote: A single young woman in the UK only has seven children because she thinks the State will get her a bigger house and pay her thousands in benefits. Her plan has backfired. If she cant manage, and she obviously cant, get her sterilised so she doesnt have any more. Seven is more than enough if you cant afford them. There are women who yearn for children, are married with a home of their own, and can afford them without sponging on the State. Perhaps if she had thought of keeping her legs crossed a few years ago, she might be in a better position, excuse the pun. And maybe she would have found the time to GET A JOB.[/p][/quote]That is just rude! Who speaks in that sort of term! Clearly you have no manors or morals! People have the cheek to slate 'council estate' people for being all sorts of horrible things and there's YOU that comes out with a vile comment like that! You clearly was not bought up in the correct manor and if I was your parent I would be extremely ashamed! Bloody cheek!! Melissa01
  • Score: -10

7:36pm Tue 1 Jul 14

jswan1 says...

I'm amazed how many people are coming out and going on about her "right" to have as many children as she likes. Is this really fair on the children? I really hope for the best for these kids, but I think they are already heavily disadvantaged with the start in life they have been given by this woman.

I agree the children should have more space if possible, but a line needs to be drawn somewhere. What if we all decided we wanted to have seven children and expect the State to pay to support them? What has this woman done to deserve such a privilege ahead of the rest of us?

This is why I feel it would be best for the children to be taken away and given to couples who could be financial sponsors and providers for the children and give them the care, attention and upbringing they deserve until they are such an age where they can decide if they want to back to the mother to re-establish a relationship (e.g. 18 years old).

Surely this woman should be able to get free condoms on NHS, and if she doesn't like the feel of them or lives a more spontaneous lifestyle then perhaps she should consider going on the pill or even get a coil as a form of contraception. It would be of benefit to herself the children and the State. Or even counselling if that helps?

All I want is what is best for the children firstly, then the State, and only then the woman who was responsible for creating the situation in the first place. Giving a bigger house for free gives the wrong impression to young women and leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the honest and hard working tax payer.
I'm amazed how many people are coming out and going on about her "right" to have as many children as she likes. Is this really fair on the children? I really hope for the best for these kids, but I think they are already heavily disadvantaged with the start in life they have been given by this woman. I agree the children should have more space if possible, but a line needs to be drawn somewhere. What if we all decided we wanted to have seven children and expect the State to pay to support them? What has this woman done to deserve such a privilege ahead of the rest of us? This is why I feel it would be best for the children to be taken away and given to couples who could be financial sponsors and providers for the children and give them the care, attention and upbringing they deserve until they are such an age where they can decide if they want to back to the mother to re-establish a relationship (e.g. 18 years old). Surely this woman should be able to get free condoms on NHS, and if she doesn't like the feel of them or lives a more spontaneous lifestyle then perhaps she should consider going on the pill or even get a coil as a form of contraception. It would be of benefit to herself the children and the State. Or even counselling if that helps? All I want is what is best for the children firstly, then the State, and only then the woman who was responsible for creating the situation in the first place. Giving a bigger house for free gives the wrong impression to young women and leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the honest and hard working tax payer. jswan1
  • Score: 8

7:52pm Tue 1 Jul 14

EpsomSpectator says...

Rather than everyone judging her, shouldn't we ask the people living on her development to see whether they have been affected?
Rather than everyone judging her, shouldn't we ask the people living on her development to see whether they have been affected? EpsomSpectator
  • Score: 1

8:00pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Lolamariex says...

I think the comments that have bein left by most of above are truly sicken..! Soo to all that are commenting your not getting state health care... As for saying them children are mistake you make me truly mad an sick to the core of my stomach THEY aren't MISTAKE they are very dearly loved THANKYOU!!!! An as for saying she should keep her legs closed I think you should keep your mouth closed you disgusting individual... She's just wants to give her children abit more living space.. Who hasn't ever needed abit of HELP in there life's at some point. She's NOT asking for the world just abit of HELP..
I think the comments that have bein left by most of above are truly sicken..! Soo to all that are commenting your not getting state health care... As for saying them children are mistake you make me truly mad an sick to the core of my stomach THEY aren't MISTAKE they are very dearly loved THANKYOU!!!! An as for saying she should keep her legs closed I think you should keep your mouth closed you disgusting individual... She's just wants to give her children abit more living space.. Who hasn't ever needed abit of HELP in there life's at some point. She's NOT asking for the world just abit of HELP.. Lolamariex
  • Score: -10

8:08pm Tue 1 Jul 14

jswan1 says...

Lolamariex wrote:
I think the comments that have bein left by most of above are truly sicken..! Soo to all that are commenting your not getting state health care... As for saying them children are mistake you make me truly mad an sick to the core of my stomach THEY aren't MISTAKE they are very dearly loved THANKYOU!!!! An as for saying she should keep her legs closed I think you should keep your mouth closed you disgusting individual... She's just wants to give her children abit more living space.. Who hasn't ever needed abit of HELP in there life's at some point. She's NOT asking for the world just abit of HELP..
I think most or all are genuinely sympathetic towards the plight of the children, but just angry and frustrated that the woman has had so many of them at just 27 years old and is expecting the rest of us to provide for them all. Every child deserves a good upbringing, but every adult has to be responsible enough to only have as many children as they can provide for.
[quote][p][bold]Lolamariex[/bold] wrote: I think the comments that have bein left by most of above are truly sicken..! Soo to all that are commenting your not getting state health care... As for saying them children are mistake you make me truly mad an sick to the core of my stomach THEY aren't MISTAKE they are very dearly loved THANKYOU!!!! An as for saying she should keep her legs closed I think you should keep your mouth closed you disgusting individual... She's just wants to give her children abit more living space.. Who hasn't ever needed abit of HELP in there life's at some point. She's NOT asking for the world just abit of HELP..[/p][/quote]I think most or all are genuinely sympathetic towards the plight of the children, but just angry and frustrated that the woman has had so many of them at just 27 years old and is expecting the rest of us to provide for them all. Every child deserves a good upbringing, but every adult has to be responsible enough to only have as many children as they can provide for. jswan1
  • Score: 14

8:18pm Tue 1 Jul 14

cocco2014 says...

first of all reading some off the nasty comments sounds like ur in a school playground!!!!!
secondly child benifit is for everyone who has a child whos in work or not so that comment about cutting is stupid as every parent will lose out.
thirdly child tax is also avaible to parents who are on A LOW INCOME to
help with living expense the same with housing and council tax so not everyone sits on their backsides as the benfits are also there to help parents that do go out to work so please do your reaserch first before u critise benifits everyone not scronges
also council housing are there for people/families as buying or evening private renting in this area is ridicous high
yes i live in a council flat not ashamed as my husband and i cant afford private renting we are not loud scroungers we have morals our children are not roaming the streets causing trouble we are not all rude people
i have also been entiled to a three bed for 9 years.
no i dont have 7 children before any off u critise me my husband and i have four but before u come back with nasty vile comments its not the amount off children we have and yes we are overcrowed but we have a teenage daughter sharing a bedroom with two boys
now if we was lucky enough to be able to afford our own 2 bed home or private rent we would have local authority able to prosacute us for over crowding so we would prob need housing benfit and council tax to help pay the rent and then we will have nasty people like you saying we are scroungers sitting on our arse so no one can win when it comes to this subject!!!!!!! in future do reasearch before u critise not everyone curcumstances are the same
rant over
oh yeah if there any spelling mistakes i appoligies as it must off been my up bringing lol
first of all reading some off the nasty comments sounds like ur in a school playground!!!!! secondly child benifit is for everyone who has a child whos in work or not so that comment about cutting is stupid as every parent will lose out. thirdly child tax is also avaible to parents who are on A LOW INCOME to help with living expense the same with housing and council tax so not everyone sits on their backsides as the benfits are also there to help parents that do go out to work so please do your reaserch first before u critise benifits everyone not scronges also council housing are there for people/families as buying or evening private renting in this area is ridicous high yes i live in a council flat not ashamed as my husband and i cant afford private renting we are not loud scroungers we have morals our children are not roaming the streets causing trouble we are not all rude people i have also been entiled to a three bed for 9 years. no i dont have 7 children before any off u critise me my husband and i have four but before u come back with nasty vile comments its not the amount off children we have and yes we are overcrowed but we have a teenage daughter sharing a bedroom with two boys now if we was lucky enough to be able to afford our own 2 bed home or private rent we would have local authority able to prosacute us for over crowding so we would prob need housing benfit and council tax to help pay the rent and then we will have nasty people like you saying we are scroungers sitting on our arse so no one can win when it comes to this subject!!!!!!! in future do reasearch before u critise not everyone curcumstances are the same rant over oh yeah if there any spelling mistakes i appoligies as it must off been my up bringing lol cocco2014
  • Score: 1

8:30pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Ewellvoice says...

I have three children and live in a two bed (tiny) house! Would love to sell and move to a larger house but can't afford to.......life aye! Don't think I will have anymore yet, maybe in a few years when I can afford a larger house, wouldn't be fair on the kids as the older they become they do want and need their own space.
I recent paying the high taxes that I pay for these freeloading irresponsible idiots and when I do sell I won't be moving to Livingston Park! Just to add the comments supporting this lifestyle are mostly illiterate..... Ironic wouldn't you say! We need more money spent on education so maybe this problem will become less of a burden on society.
I have three children and live in a two bed (tiny) house! Would love to sell and move to a larger house but can't afford to.......life aye! Don't think I will have anymore yet, maybe in a few years when I can afford a larger house, wouldn't be fair on the kids as the older they become they do want and need their own space. I recent paying the high taxes that I pay for these freeloading irresponsible idiots and when I do sell I won't be moving to Livingston Park! Just to add the comments supporting this lifestyle are mostly illiterate..... Ironic wouldn't you say! We need more money spent on education so maybe this problem will become less of a burden on society. Ewellvoice
  • Score: 13

8:30pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Surrey40 says...

Judi456 wrote:
A single young woman in the UK only has seven children because she thinks the State will get her a bigger house and pay her thousands in benefits. Her plan has backfired. If she cant manage, and she obviously cant, get her sterilised so she doesnt have any more. Seven is more than enough if you cant afford them. There are women who yearn for children, are married with a home of their own, and can afford them without sponging on the State. Perhaps if she had thought of keeping her legs crossed a few years ago, she might be in a better position, excuse the pun. And maybe she would have found the time to GET A JOB.
U no good **** lets hope when u have kids or u have that they do not need help from the state that wot we all pay tax for so people in this country when they need help & it should not be for all the people that come over to scrounge deliberately
[quote][p][bold]Judi456[/bold] wrote: A single young woman in the UK only has seven children because she thinks the State will get her a bigger house and pay her thousands in benefits. Her plan has backfired. If she cant manage, and she obviously cant, get her sterilised so she doesnt have any more. Seven is more than enough if you cant afford them. There are women who yearn for children, are married with a home of their own, and can afford them without sponging on the State. Perhaps if she had thought of keeping her legs crossed a few years ago, she might be in a better position, excuse the pun. And maybe she would have found the time to GET A JOB.[/p][/quote]U no good **** lets hope when u have kids or u have that they do not need help from the state that wot we all pay tax for so people in this country when they need help & it should not be for all the people that come over to scrounge deliberately Surrey40
  • Score: 3

8:35pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Ewellvoice says...

*resent
*resent Ewellvoice
  • Score: -1

9:05pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Kayaroseanne says...

Makes me sick how some off you have said about the kiddies,and slating her off. But I bet some one in your lots family are claiming benefits or have a nice house on benefits!! We all pay tax to help people out so it's for a reason, not like these people tryna come over here and get a place and benefits soo easie!! Makes me sick seeing some of these narsty comments! Who doesn't need abit of help in life she ant asking for a lot just a bigger place for her kiddies. She loves her kids and they all are nicely dressed. So to all you narsty people running your mouth keep it shut!! It's up to people how they live there life so what she has 7 kiddies her life she's not harming anyone..
Makes me sick how some off you have said about the kiddies,and slating her off. But I bet some one in your lots family are claiming benefits or have a nice house on benefits!! We all pay tax to help people out so it's for a reason, not like these people tryna come over here and get a place and benefits soo easie!! Makes me sick seeing some of these narsty comments! Who doesn't need abit of help in life she ant asking for a lot just a bigger place for her kiddies. She loves her kids and they all are nicely dressed. So to all you narsty people running your mouth keep it shut!! It's up to people how they live there life so what she has 7 kiddies her life she's not harming anyone.. Kayaroseanne
  • Score: -6

9:54pm Tue 1 Jul 14

sjsunny says...

sjsunny wrote:
In an ideal world it would be great to be able to help everyone, sadly, that ideal no longer exists. We have elderly people who are unable to heat their houses or afford a decent meal, we have vulnerable people living on the streets. We need to prioritise the assistance we can provide within the budget available.

The UK population has increased by 5 million since 2001 and is predicted to increase further still. Things have to adapt.

To those who support the continued reliance on the State I welcome your thoughts as to how the UK is going to be able to afford this idealistic utopia!
So rather than slinging insults, any thoughts or suggestions as to how all of this support and assistance (remember the population is increasing) is going to be paid for?!!!!
[quote][p][bold]sjsunny[/bold] wrote: In an ideal world it would be great to be able to help everyone, sadly, that ideal no longer exists. We have elderly people who are unable to heat their houses or afford a decent meal, we have vulnerable people living on the streets. We need to prioritise the assistance we can provide within the budget available. The UK population has increased by 5 million since 2001 and is predicted to increase further still. Things have to adapt. To those who support the continued reliance on the State I welcome your thoughts as to how the UK is going to be able to afford this idealistic utopia![/p][/quote]So rather than slinging insults, any thoughts or suggestions as to how all of this support and assistance (remember the population is increasing) is going to be paid for?!!!! sjsunny
  • Score: 8

10:08pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Melissa01 says...

jswan1 wrote:
I'm amazed how many people are coming out and going on about her "right" to have as many children as she likes. Is this really fair on the children? I really hope for the best for these kids, but I think they are already heavily disadvantaged with the start in life they have been given by this woman.

I agree the children should have more space if possible, but a line needs to be drawn somewhere. What if we all decided we wanted to have seven children and expect the State to pay to support them? What has this woman done to deserve such a privilege ahead of the rest of us?

This is why I feel it would be best for the children to be taken away and given to couples who could be financial sponsors and providers for the children and give them the care, attention and upbringing they deserve until they are such an age where they can decide if they want to back to the mother to re-establish a relationship (e.g. 18 years old).

Surely this woman should be able to get free condoms on NHS, and if she doesn't like the feel of them or lives a more spontaneous lifestyle then perhaps she should consider going on the pill or even get a coil as a form of contraception. It would be of benefit to herself the children and the State. Or even counselling if that helps?

All I want is what is best for the children firstly, then the State, and only then the woman who was responsible for creating the situation in the first place. Giving a bigger house for free gives the wrong impression to young women and leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the honest and hard working tax payer.
Disgusting! Maybe you should get yourself a hobby instead of sitting behind your computer with your fingers typing away abusing people you don't even know, you must have blisters on them fingers! Natasha's children look very well presented as does she! Just because somebody would like more living space for there family does not mean they are incapable of being a good, loving, devoting and stable parent! Personally I think you have no children, you can't have, somebody with this sort of attitude, which stinks by the way, can't possible have children if you do I feel for them! Your far too cold and nasty! Your embarrassing yourself! Your not just criticising this poor girl your criticising 55% of the uk which is over half! Your just one inappropriate, vile voice! You have obviously been brought up without any love or affection as you seem to be vey bitter! As for mentioning contraception.....cl
early you don't need to use it because if your face is as ugly as your mouth no one in there right mind would ever consider going near you! Call your self jswan more like the ugly ducking!
[quote][p][bold]jswan1[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed how many people are coming out and going on about her "right" to have as many children as she likes. Is this really fair on the children? I really hope for the best for these kids, but I think they are already heavily disadvantaged with the start in life they have been given by this woman. I agree the children should have more space if possible, but a line needs to be drawn somewhere. What if we all decided we wanted to have seven children and expect the State to pay to support them? What has this woman done to deserve such a privilege ahead of the rest of us? This is why I feel it would be best for the children to be taken away and given to couples who could be financial sponsors and providers for the children and give them the care, attention and upbringing they deserve until they are such an age where they can decide if they want to back to the mother to re-establish a relationship (e.g. 18 years old). Surely this woman should be able to get free condoms on NHS, and if she doesn't like the feel of them or lives a more spontaneous lifestyle then perhaps she should consider going on the pill or even get a coil as a form of contraception. It would be of benefit to herself the children and the State. Or even counselling if that helps? All I want is what is best for the children firstly, then the State, and only then the woman who was responsible for creating the situation in the first place. Giving a bigger house for free gives the wrong impression to young women and leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the honest and hard working tax payer.[/p][/quote]Disgusting! Maybe you should get yourself a hobby instead of sitting behind your computer with your fingers typing away abusing people you don't even know, you must have blisters on them fingers! Natasha's children look very well presented as does she! Just because somebody would like more living space for there family does not mean they are incapable of being a good, loving, devoting and stable parent! Personally I think you have no children, you can't have, somebody with this sort of attitude, which stinks by the way, can't possible have children if you do I feel for them! Your far too cold and nasty! Your embarrassing yourself! Your not just criticising this poor girl your criticising 55% of the uk which is over half! Your just one inappropriate, vile voice! You have obviously been brought up without any love or affection as you seem to be vey bitter! As for mentioning contraception.....cl early you don't need to use it because if your face is as ugly as your mouth no one in there right mind would ever consider going near you! Call your self jswan more like the ugly ducking! Melissa01
  • Score: -8

10:36pm Tue 1 Jul 14

jswan1 says...

Melissa01 wrote:
jswan1 wrote:
I'm amazed how many people are coming out and going on about her "right" to have as many children as she likes. Is this really fair on the children? I really hope for the best for these kids, but I think they are already heavily disadvantaged with the start in life they have been given by this woman.

I agree the children should have more space if possible, but a line needs to be drawn somewhere. What if we all decided we wanted to have seven children and expect the State to pay to support them? What has this woman done to deserve such a privilege ahead of the rest of us?

This is why I feel it would be best for the children to be taken away and given to couples who could be financial sponsors and providers for the children and give them the care, attention and upbringing they deserve until they are such an age where they can decide if they want to back to the mother to re-establish a relationship (e.g. 18 years old).

Surely this woman should be able to get free condoms on NHS, and if she doesn't like the feel of them or lives a more spontaneous lifestyle then perhaps she should consider going on the pill or even get a coil as a form of contraception. It would be of benefit to herself the children and the State. Or even counselling if that helps?

All I want is what is best for the children firstly, then the State, and only then the woman who was responsible for creating the situation in the first place. Giving a bigger house for free gives the wrong impression to young women and leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the honest and hard working tax payer.
Disgusting! Maybe you should get yourself a hobby instead of sitting behind your computer with your fingers typing away abusing people you don't even know, you must have blisters on them fingers! Natasha's children look very well presented as does she! Just because somebody would like more living space for there family does not mean they are incapable of being a good, loving, devoting and stable parent! Personally I think you have no children, you can't have, somebody with this sort of attitude, which stinks by the way, can't possible have children if you do I feel for them! Your far too cold and nasty! Your embarrassing yourself! Your not just criticising this poor girl your criticising 55% of the uk which is over half! Your just one inappropriate, vile voice! You have obviously been brought up without any love or affection as you seem to be vey bitter! As for mentioning contraception.....cl

early you don't need to use it because if your face is as ugly as your mouth no one in there right mind would ever consider going near you! Call your self jswan more like the ugly ducking!
Firstly your message is disgraceful and insulting and gives us all a very poor impression of you.

I feel awful for the children as I've said all along. I also feel that no matter how devoted or loving this woman is towards the children, they will be disadvantaged in that she cannot possibly give each of them the support and care their individual needs require.

If a child goes to a nursery there is usually no more than three children per carer. We already know that one of these children has special needs, so it is fair to assume he will require additional attention.

Throwing additional benefits is not the solution because it only encourages other young women to get pregnant in order to get financial support and a house. I am entitled to my opinion and it is that the children should be taken into care and ideally placed with a family or families that are in a position to support them sufficiently.

No matter how much effort this woman puts in, seven children will likely require more support and care than a single person can offer. As it stands she has an eight year old refusing to allow the six year old to share a room with him and it appears she can do nothing to prevent it.

The woman should have thought a bit more before she started having so many babies but the situation is what it is now. Unfortunately she is the one now having to try to get whatever support she can as the father or multiple fathers involved are seemingly no longer on the scene and presumably not providing enough financial support.
[quote][p][bold]Melissa01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jswan1[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed how many people are coming out and going on about her "right" to have as many children as she likes. Is this really fair on the children? I really hope for the best for these kids, but I think they are already heavily disadvantaged with the start in life they have been given by this woman. I agree the children should have more space if possible, but a line needs to be drawn somewhere. What if we all decided we wanted to have seven children and expect the State to pay to support them? What has this woman done to deserve such a privilege ahead of the rest of us? This is why I feel it would be best for the children to be taken away and given to couples who could be financial sponsors and providers for the children and give them the care, attention and upbringing they deserve until they are such an age where they can decide if they want to back to the mother to re-establish a relationship (e.g. 18 years old). Surely this woman should be able to get free condoms on NHS, and if she doesn't like the feel of them or lives a more spontaneous lifestyle then perhaps she should consider going on the pill or even get a coil as a form of contraception. It would be of benefit to herself the children and the State. Or even counselling if that helps? All I want is what is best for the children firstly, then the State, and only then the woman who was responsible for creating the situation in the first place. Giving a bigger house for free gives the wrong impression to young women and leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the honest and hard working tax payer.[/p][/quote]Disgusting! Maybe you should get yourself a hobby instead of sitting behind your computer with your fingers typing away abusing people you don't even know, you must have blisters on them fingers! Natasha's children look very well presented as does she! Just because somebody would like more living space for there family does not mean they are incapable of being a good, loving, devoting and stable parent! Personally I think you have no children, you can't have, somebody with this sort of attitude, which stinks by the way, can't possible have children if you do I feel for them! Your far too cold and nasty! Your embarrassing yourself! Your not just criticising this poor girl your criticising 55% of the uk which is over half! Your just one inappropriate, vile voice! You have obviously been brought up without any love or affection as you seem to be vey bitter! As for mentioning contraception.....cl early you don't need to use it because if your face is as ugly as your mouth no one in there right mind would ever consider going near you! Call your self jswan more like the ugly ducking![/p][/quote]Firstly your message is disgraceful and insulting and gives us all a very poor impression of you. I feel awful for the children as I've said all along. I also feel that no matter how devoted or loving this woman is towards the children, they will be disadvantaged in that she cannot possibly give each of them the support and care their individual needs require. If a child goes to a nursery there is usually no more than three children per carer. We already know that one of these children has special needs, so it is fair to assume he will require additional attention. Throwing additional benefits is not the solution because it only encourages other young women to get pregnant in order to get financial support and a house. I am entitled to my opinion and it is that the children should be taken into care and ideally placed with a family or families that are in a position to support them sufficiently. No matter how much effort this woman puts in, seven children will likely require more support and care than a single person can offer. As it stands she has an eight year old refusing to allow the six year old to share a room with him and it appears she can do nothing to prevent it. The woman should have thought a bit more before she started having so many babies but the situation is what it is now. Unfortunately she is the one now having to try to get whatever support she can as the father or multiple fathers involved are seemingly no longer on the scene and presumably not providing enough financial support. jswan1
  • Score: 12

10:37pm Tue 1 Jul 14

sjsunny says...

Melissa01:

As someone who is; and I quote from one of your previous posts - " Not going to bicker and argue I'm far to proud and it's not my style" perhaps you could tell us how the UK can continue to fund all if this support?
Melissa01: As someone who is; and I quote from one of your previous posts - " Not going to bicker and argue I'm far to proud and it's not my style" perhaps you could tell us how the UK can continue to fund all if this support? sjsunny
  • Score: 10

10:40pm Tue 1 Jul 14

jswan1 says...

And finally, as the council has already stated:

"The requirement for social housing within this borough exceeds the housing stock available. This is an adult with seven children. Ideally we would be providing this family with a four bedroomed home, however, this housing simply isn’t available and there are a large number of families needing similar accommodation on the waiting list".

This is a very simple concept. Epsom and Ewell do not have capacity for more people requesting free housing. No amount of complaining will change that.
And finally, as the council has already stated: "The requirement for social housing within this borough exceeds the housing stock available. This is an adult with seven children. Ideally we would be providing this family with a four bedroomed home, however, this housing simply isn’t available and there are a large number of families needing similar accommodation on the waiting list". This is a very simple concept. Epsom and Ewell do not have capacity for more people requesting free housing. No amount of complaining will change that. jswan1
  • Score: 11

10:56pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Melissa01 says...

jswan1 wrote:
Melissa01 wrote:
jswan1 wrote:
I'm amazed how many people are coming out and going on about her "right" to have as many children as she likes. Is this really fair on the children? I really hope for the best for these kids, but I think they are already heavily disadvantaged with the start in life they have been given by this woman.

I agree the children should have more space if possible, but a line needs to be drawn somewhere. What if we all decided we wanted to have seven children and expect the State to pay to support them? What has this woman done to deserve such a privilege ahead of the rest of us?

This is why I feel it would be best for the children to be taken away and given to couples who could be financial sponsors and providers for the children and give them the care, attention and upbringing they deserve until they are such an age where they can decide if they want to back to the mother to re-establish a relationship (e.g. 18 years old).

Surely this woman should be able to get free condoms on NHS, and if she doesn't like the feel of them or lives a more spontaneous lifestyle then perhaps she should consider going on the pill or even get a coil as a form of contraception. It would be of benefit to herself the children and the State. Or even counselling if that helps?

All I want is what is best for the children firstly, then the State, and only then the woman who was responsible for creating the situation in the first place. Giving a bigger house for free gives the wrong impression to young women and leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the honest and hard working tax payer.
Disgusting! Maybe you should get yourself a hobby instead of sitting behind your computer with your fingers typing away abusing people you don't even know, you must have blisters on them fingers! Natasha's children look very well presented as does she! Just because somebody would like more living space for there family does not mean they are incapable of being a good, loving, devoting and stable parent! Personally I think you have no children, you can't have, somebody with this sort of attitude, which stinks by the way, can't possible have children if you do I feel for them! Your far too cold and nasty! Your embarrassing yourself! Your not just criticising this poor girl your criticising 55% of the uk which is over half! Your just one inappropriate, vile voice! You have obviously been brought up without any love or affection as you seem to be vey bitter! As for mentioning contraception.....cl


early you don't need to use it because if your face is as ugly as your mouth no one in there right mind would ever consider going near you! Call your self jswan more like the ugly ducking!
Firstly your message is disgraceful and insulting and gives us all a very poor impression of you.

I feel awful for the children as I've said all along. I also feel that no matter how devoted or loving this woman is towards the children, they will be disadvantaged in that she cannot possibly give each of them the support and care their individual needs require.

If a child goes to a nursery there is usually no more than three children per carer. We already know that one of these children has special needs, so it is fair to assume he will require additional attention.

Throwing additional benefits is not the solution because it only encourages other young women to get pregnant in order to get financial support and a house. I am entitled to my opinion and it is that the children should be taken into care and ideally placed with a family or families that are in a position to support them sufficiently.

No matter how much effort this woman puts in, seven children will likely require more support and care than a single person can offer. As it stands she has an eight year old refusing to allow the six year old to share a room with him and it appears she can do nothing to prevent it.

The woman should have thought a bit more before she started having so many babies but the situation is what it is now. Unfortunately she is the one now having to try to get whatever support she can as the father or multiple fathers involved are seemingly no longer on the scene and presumably not providing enough financial support.
Well I find your messages insulting. Your not my friend or part of my family so to be quite honest with you, you having a poor impression of me will not make me lose sleep at night. Your entitled to an opinion of course but your taking it too far with silly nasty comments. I'm a kind person and always happy to help anyone down on there luck because one day it could be me or god forbid even you needing help one day. Some things you have said are cruel and not needed. I've said all I need to say.
[quote][p][bold]jswan1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Melissa01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jswan1[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed how many people are coming out and going on about her "right" to have as many children as she likes. Is this really fair on the children? I really hope for the best for these kids, but I think they are already heavily disadvantaged with the start in life they have been given by this woman. I agree the children should have more space if possible, but a line needs to be drawn somewhere. What if we all decided we wanted to have seven children and expect the State to pay to support them? What has this woman done to deserve such a privilege ahead of the rest of us? This is why I feel it would be best for the children to be taken away and given to couples who could be financial sponsors and providers for the children and give them the care, attention and upbringing they deserve until they are such an age where they can decide if they want to back to the mother to re-establish a relationship (e.g. 18 years old). Surely this woman should be able to get free condoms on NHS, and if she doesn't like the feel of them or lives a more spontaneous lifestyle then perhaps she should consider going on the pill or even get a coil as a form of contraception. It would be of benefit to herself the children and the State. Or even counselling if that helps? All I want is what is best for the children firstly, then the State, and only then the woman who was responsible for creating the situation in the first place. Giving a bigger house for free gives the wrong impression to young women and leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the honest and hard working tax payer.[/p][/quote]Disgusting! Maybe you should get yourself a hobby instead of sitting behind your computer with your fingers typing away abusing people you don't even know, you must have blisters on them fingers! Natasha's children look very well presented as does she! Just because somebody would like more living space for there family does not mean they are incapable of being a good, loving, devoting and stable parent! Personally I think you have no children, you can't have, somebody with this sort of attitude, which stinks by the way, can't possible have children if you do I feel for them! Your far too cold and nasty! Your embarrassing yourself! Your not just criticising this poor girl your criticising 55% of the uk which is over half! Your just one inappropriate, vile voice! You have obviously been brought up without any love or affection as you seem to be vey bitter! As for mentioning contraception.....cl early you don't need to use it because if your face is as ugly as your mouth no one in there right mind would ever consider going near you! Call your self jswan more like the ugly ducking![/p][/quote]Firstly your message is disgraceful and insulting and gives us all a very poor impression of you. I feel awful for the children as I've said all along. I also feel that no matter how devoted or loving this woman is towards the children, they will be disadvantaged in that she cannot possibly give each of them the support and care their individual needs require. If a child goes to a nursery there is usually no more than three children per carer. We already know that one of these children has special needs, so it is fair to assume he will require additional attention. Throwing additional benefits is not the solution because it only encourages other young women to get pregnant in order to get financial support and a house. I am entitled to my opinion and it is that the children should be taken into care and ideally placed with a family or families that are in a position to support them sufficiently. No matter how much effort this woman puts in, seven children will likely require more support and care than a single person can offer. As it stands she has an eight year old refusing to allow the six year old to share a room with him and it appears she can do nothing to prevent it. The woman should have thought a bit more before she started having so many babies but the situation is what it is now. Unfortunately she is the one now having to try to get whatever support she can as the father or multiple fathers involved are seemingly no longer on the scene and presumably not providing enough financial support.[/p][/quote]Well I find your messages insulting. Your not my friend or part of my family so to be quite honest with you, you having a poor impression of me will not make me lose sleep at night. Your entitled to an opinion of course but your taking it too far with silly nasty comments. I'm a kind person and always happy to help anyone down on there luck because one day it could be me or god forbid even you needing help one day. Some things you have said are cruel and not needed. I've said all I need to say. Melissa01
  • Score: -7

8:47am Wed 2 Jul 14

jswan1 says...

What is insulting? What is nasty? I am saying put the welfare of the children first by taking them off the mother and placing them with families who can support them financially and provide an environment where they can flourish. I don't see what is wrong with that.

I don't think it's possible for a single mother relying on the State for everything to raise seven children in an appropriate manner, especially as one of them has special needs. This is not anything personal on the woman, it would be the same for any woman.
What is insulting? What is nasty? I am saying put the welfare of the children first by taking them off the mother and placing them with families who can support them financially and provide an environment where they can flourish. I don't see what is wrong with that. I don't think it's possible for a single mother relying on the State for everything to raise seven children in an appropriate manner, especially as one of them has special needs. This is not anything personal on the woman, it would be the same for any woman. jswan1
  • Score: 6

10:01am Wed 2 Jul 14

bellboy007 says...

"secondly child benifit is for everyone who has a child whos in work or not so that comment about cutting is stupid as every parent will lose out.
thirdly child tax is also avaible to parents who are on A LOW INCOME to
help with living expense the same with housing and council tax so not everyone sits on their backsides as the benfits are also there to help parents that do go out to work so please do your reaserch first before u critise benifits everyone not scronges"

You're missing the point.....not every parent will miss out - just the ones with more than 2 children, or did I not make that clear? The message is simple, if you decide to have more than 2 children then you pay for them, after the 2nd child.
"secondly child benifit is for everyone who has a child whos in work or not so that comment about cutting is stupid as every parent will lose out. thirdly child tax is also avaible to parents who are on A LOW INCOME to help with living expense the same with housing and council tax so not everyone sits on their backsides as the benfits are also there to help parents that do go out to work so please do your reaserch first before u critise benifits everyone not scronges" You're missing the point.....not every parent will miss out - just the ones with more than 2 children, or did I not make that clear? The message is simple, if you decide to have more than 2 children then you pay for them, after the 2nd child. bellboy007
  • Score: 9

10:17am Wed 2 Jul 14

jswan1 says...

bellboy007 wrote:
"secondly child benifit is for everyone who has a child whos in work or not so that comment about cutting is stupid as every parent will lose out.
thirdly child tax is also avaible to parents who are on A LOW INCOME to
help with living expense the same with housing and council tax so not everyone sits on their backsides as the benfits are also there to help parents that do go out to work so please do your reaserch first before u critise benifits everyone not scronges"

You're missing the point.....not every parent will miss out - just the ones with more than 2 children, or did I not make that clear? The message is simple, if you decide to have more than 2 children then you pay for them, after the 2nd child.
Plus child benefit is not for everybody. If at least one parent earns in excess of £50k then no child benefit is provided, which is ridiculous really. You look at houses in Epsom and the prices probably start at £350k. So if you have one parent working and earning £50k and one at home minding two children, you are not entitled to any child benefit, despite trying to support a a family and a mortgage on a house with a value 7x your salary.
[quote][p][bold]bellboy007[/bold] wrote: "secondly child benifit is for everyone who has a child whos in work or not so that comment about cutting is stupid as every parent will lose out. thirdly child tax is also avaible to parents who are on A LOW INCOME to help with living expense the same with housing and council tax so not everyone sits on their backsides as the benfits are also there to help parents that do go out to work so please do your reaserch first before u critise benifits everyone not scronges" You're missing the point.....not every parent will miss out - just the ones with more than 2 children, or did I not make that clear? The message is simple, if you decide to have more than 2 children then you pay for them, after the 2nd child.[/p][/quote]Plus child benefit is not for everybody. If at least one parent earns in excess of £50k then no child benefit is provided, which is ridiculous really. You look at houses in Epsom and the prices probably start at £350k. So if you have one parent working and earning £50k and one at home minding two children, you are not entitled to any child benefit, despite trying to support a a family and a mortgage on a house with a value 7x your salary. jswan1
  • Score: 8

11:00am Wed 2 Jul 14

bellboy007 says...

jswan1 wrote:
bellboy007 wrote:
"secondly child benifit is for everyone who has a child whos in work or not so that comment about cutting is stupid as every parent will lose out.
thirdly child tax is also avaible to parents who are on A LOW INCOME to
help with living expense the same with housing and council tax so not everyone sits on their backsides as the benfits are also there to help parents that do go out to work so please do your reaserch first before u critise benifits everyone not scronges"

You're missing the point.....not every parent will miss out - just the ones with more than 2 children, or did I not make that clear? The message is simple, if you decide to have more than 2 children then you pay for them, after the 2nd child.
Plus child benefit is not for everybody. If at least one parent earns in excess of £50k then no child benefit is provided, which is ridiculous really. You look at houses in Epsom and the prices probably start at £350k. So if you have one parent working and earning £50k and one at home minding two children, you are not entitled to any child benefit, despite trying to support a a family and a mortgage on a house with a value 7x your salary.
Yes, ridiculous situation, it was all part of teflon Dave's value on the family unit. But as with most things with the current government they've applied the cuts (which do need to happen) but in the wrong areas, hence why i said my original suggestion, which would help with the population crisis.
[quote][p][bold]jswan1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bellboy007[/bold] wrote: "secondly child benifit is for everyone who has a child whos in work or not so that comment about cutting is stupid as every parent will lose out. thirdly child tax is also avaible to parents who are on A LOW INCOME to help with living expense the same with housing and council tax so not everyone sits on their backsides as the benfits are also there to help parents that do go out to work so please do your reaserch first before u critise benifits everyone not scronges" You're missing the point.....not every parent will miss out - just the ones with more than 2 children, or did I not make that clear? The message is simple, if you decide to have more than 2 children then you pay for them, after the 2nd child.[/p][/quote]Plus child benefit is not for everybody. If at least one parent earns in excess of £50k then no child benefit is provided, which is ridiculous really. You look at houses in Epsom and the prices probably start at £350k. So if you have one parent working and earning £50k and one at home minding two children, you are not entitled to any child benefit, despite trying to support a a family and a mortgage on a house with a value 7x your salary.[/p][/quote]Yes, ridiculous situation, it was all part of teflon Dave's value on the family unit. But as with most things with the current government they've applied the cuts (which do need to happen) but in the wrong areas, hence why i said my original suggestion, which would help with the population crisis. bellboy007
  • Score: 4

11:27am Wed 2 Jul 14

gunseka says...

Govt should put a cap on number of children govt can support, something like 3. When we decided to have our second one, we postponed the plan for 4 years since we cant afford it. We both working and we want to give a good life for the new one. But people like her have no intention to give a good life for the kids and rely on Govt to support this mess on tax payers money. If she cant look after the children by all means take the kids into support system, and give good welfare. Even if govt pays for all 7 children an irresponsible parent like her will spend all the money on lavish life rather than spending for the kids. If govt don't crush the loop holes of welfare system it would be very hard to strike the balance between citizens who want to support the system and citizens who want to just live on the welfare contribution. Wake up whitehall.
Govt should put a cap on number of children govt can support, something like 3. When we decided to have our second one, we postponed the plan for 4 years since we cant afford it. We both working and we want to give a good life for the new one. But people like her have no intention to give a good life for the kids and rely on Govt to support this mess on tax payers money. If she cant look after the children by all means take the kids into support system, and give good welfare. Even if govt pays for all 7 children an irresponsible parent like her will spend all the money on lavish life rather than spending for the kids. If govt don't crush the loop holes of welfare system it would be very hard to strike the balance between citizens who want to support the system and citizens who want to just live on the welfare contribution. Wake up whitehall. gunseka
  • Score: 6

12:29pm Wed 2 Jul 14

EpsomSpectator says...

FINAL COMMENT - Why don't we let the residents of Livingstone Park decide for themselves whether it is an issue? If they are a nice family, doesn't negatively impact the residents' lives in that estate, then perhaps it is not an issue. I think most people there wouldn't complain.
FINAL COMMENT - Why don't we let the residents of Livingstone Park decide for themselves whether it is an issue? If they are a nice family, doesn't negatively impact the residents' lives in that estate, then perhaps it is not an issue. I think most people there wouldn't complain. EpsomSpectator
  • Score: -2

12:52pm Wed 2 Jul 14

jswan1 says...

In other to fully assess her case I would want to know:

a) How many fathers involved. Where are they now? Are they supporting financially in any way?
b) Since having the first baby, how many years has she had to rely on benefits? Nobody relying on benefits and taxpayers to support them should be having more than two children. It is irresponsible. If she continued to have babies throughout knowing that she would be unable to support them financially, then she (along with the father/fathers) is solely responsible for her predicament.

If her story is that she had no benefits until the breakdown of her relationship after which she had no choice but to turn to the State, then in that situation I would be far more sympathetic towards her. Without knowing that it is only the children I feel sorry for as it is her who imposed the situation on them.
In other to fully assess her case I would want to know: a) How many fathers involved. Where are they now? Are they supporting financially in any way? b) Since having the first baby, how many years has she had to rely on benefits? Nobody relying on benefits and taxpayers to support them should be having more than two children. It is irresponsible. If she continued to have babies throughout knowing that she would be unable to support them financially, then she (along with the father/fathers) is solely responsible for her predicament. If her story is that she had no benefits until the breakdown of her relationship after which she had no choice but to turn to the State, then in that situation I would be far more sympathetic towards her. Without knowing that it is only the children I feel sorry for as it is her who imposed the situation on them. jswan1
  • Score: 6

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