Woodstock pub in North Cheam could become Asda supermarket

This Is Local London: Thriving Woodstock pub in North Cheam could become Asda supermarket Thriving Woodstock pub in North Cheam could become Asda supermarket

A thriving pub could be converted into an Asda supermarket.

Asda has revealed plans to open a mini-supermarket on the site of the Woodstock pub at the junction of Stonecot Hill and Sutton Common Road.

If approved by the council and the development goes ahead, the store would bring up to 40 jobs to the area and feature a small car park. Asda said it aims to regenerate the area around the shop as well.

Doug Wilson, head of UK property communications for Asda said: "These exciting plans will bring local people more choice and low prices on their doorstep. This is about investment, regeneration and encouraging people to shop more locally and the forty jobs will be welcome. I would encourage people to come along to the exhibition and give us their views on the plans."

The supermarket giant is holding an exhibition during which people will be able to look at the plans at the Assembly Hall in Tudor Drive, Morden, on Thursday, July, 3 between 3pm and 7pm.

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2:13pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Snork says...

North Cheam???
North Cheam??? Snork
  • Score: 8

9:13pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Launchballer says...

I'll believe that when I see it. That plot is far too small!
I'll believe that when I see it. That plot is far too small! Launchballer
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9:46am Thu 26 Jun 14

adrianshort says...

It won't be 40 full-time equivalent jobs. It'll be a mixture of full-timers and part-timers, mostly being paid below the London living wage of £8.80 per hour.

That means that the rest of us will be subsiding Asda's low wages through paying housing benefit, working tax credits etc. to their underpaid staff.

Now deduct from those "40 jobs" the jobs lost elsewhere, assuming that a new Asda on Stonecot Hill doesn't magically create its own demand rather than soak it up from elsewhere, such as the Co-op next door, other local shops and of course the Woodstock pub itself.
It won't be 40 full-time equivalent jobs. It'll be a mixture of full-timers and part-timers, mostly being paid below the London living wage of £8.80 per hour. That means that the rest of us will be subsiding Asda's low wages through paying housing benefit, working tax credits etc. to their underpaid staff. Now deduct from those "40 jobs" the jobs lost elsewhere, assuming that a new Asda on Stonecot Hill doesn't magically create its own demand rather than soak it up from elsewhere, such as the Co-op next door, other local shops and of course the Woodstock pub itself. adrianshort
  • Score: 16

9:48am Thu 26 Jun 14

Niki R says...

'Thriving'? I thought it was 'disused' according to your report yesterday? I don't want to see Asda there. Either keep the pub and let the tenants turn it around (I understand they are doing great work there) or build the social and affordable homes we desperately need.
'Thriving'? I thought it was 'disused' according to your report yesterday? I don't want to see Asda there. Either keep the pub and let the tenants turn it around (I understand they are doing great work there) or build the social and affordable homes we desperately need. Niki R
  • Score: 7

4:49pm Thu 26 Jun 14

sue from cheam says...

As Niki R quite rightly says that yesterday you said it was 'disused'
Get your facts right before you go to print......
As Niki R quite rightly says that yesterday you said it was 'disused' Get your facts right before you go to print...... sue from cheam
  • Score: 10

6:00pm Thu 26 Jun 14

GreenBrown says...

"or build the social and affordable homes we desperately need."

and why do we need them? Where did all our our affordable housing go. Who kept allowing and encouraging the councils to keep selling them off and then not make them replace them. Who allowed millions more people to settle into this country knowing that there wasn't enough housing (or anything else for that matter) already because of my first point. Who allowed private renting to grow through irresponsible lending like 'buy to let' etc letting the money grubbers take the slack and leave the poor and everyone else open to inflated rents and unfair, unsecure rental agreements. Your party, that's who.

No, no more housing. Instead of putting up more and more housing and making once nice areas become densely populated, busy and noisy holes, we need to stop the endless flow of people coming to this country. Another 400,000 extra people living in the country last year according to government figures. You could probably stick a few more 100,000s to that number to include the illegals. Building our way out of this isn't a realistic option and I for one don't want our countries green land turned into concrete jungles. The bleeding heart lefty liberals don't have the intelligence or the courage to do what will eventually have to be done. They are slowly ruining this country and for what. They've been doing it for years. I don't get it. It is not logical, non of it is.
"or build the social and affordable homes we desperately need." and why do we need them? Where did all our our affordable housing go. Who kept allowing and encouraging the councils to keep selling them off and then not make them replace them. Who allowed millions more people to settle into this country knowing that there wasn't enough housing (or anything else for that matter) already because of my first point. Who allowed private renting to grow through irresponsible lending like 'buy to let' etc letting the money grubbers take the slack and leave the poor and everyone else open to inflated rents and unfair, unsecure rental agreements. Your party, that's who. No, no more housing. Instead of putting up more and more housing and making once nice areas become densely populated, busy and noisy holes, we need to stop the endless flow of people coming to this country. Another 400,000 extra people living in the country last year according to government figures. You could probably stick a few more 100,000s to that number to include the illegals. Building our way out of this isn't a realistic option and I for one don't want our countries green land turned into concrete jungles. The bleeding heart lefty liberals don't have the intelligence or the courage to do what will eventually have to be done. They are slowly ruining this country and for what. They've been doing it for years. I don't get it. It is not logical, non of it is. GreenBrown
  • Score: 13

9:08pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Gerry1 says...

I think it would be appropriate as an Islamic information centre.
I think it would be appropriate as an Islamic information centre. Gerry1
  • Score: -22

8:55am Fri 27 Jun 14

Str8Talker27 says...

Will some one at the Sutton Guardian a map please.
Will some one at the Sutton Guardian a map please. Str8Talker27
  • Score: 6

8:56am Fri 27 Jun 14

Str8Talker27 says...

"Get a map"
"Get a map" Str8Talker27
  • Score: 5

10:17am Mon 30 Jun 14

adrianshort says...

If you want to save The Woodstock pub and protect our local shops on Stonecot Hill, sign the petition at savethewoodstock(dot
)org and follow @savewoodstock on Twitter.
If you want to save The Woodstock pub and protect our local shops on Stonecot Hill, sign the petition at savethewoodstock(dot )org and follow @savewoodstock on Twitter. adrianshort
  • Score: -3

9:52am Tue 1 Jul 14

Niki R says...

Never miss an opportunity to bash immigration eh, greenbrown?

The issue here is that nobody wants an Asda, nobody is screaming for more shops, and the new tenants of the Woodstock are doing their damnedest to make a success of the place. I barely recognised it when I was there recently- the place is being transformed from a forbidding old boozer to a community hub where I received a warm welcome. For the opportunity to develop something great for the local community to be pulled out from under them is unfair and unreasonable. No word from the Stonecot Councillors as yet- quelle surprise!
Never miss an opportunity to bash immigration eh, greenbrown? The issue here is that nobody wants an Asda, nobody is screaming for more shops, and the new tenants of the Woodstock are doing their damnedest to make a success of the place. I barely recognised it when I was there recently- the place is being transformed from a forbidding old boozer to a community hub where I received a warm welcome. For the opportunity to develop something great for the local community to be pulled out from under them is unfair and unreasonable. No word from the Stonecot Councillors as yet- quelle surprise! Niki R
  • Score: 4

11:38am Wed 2 Jul 14

a6747004 says...

Niki are you thinking of the right pub?

I think there was another issue there this weekend with some travelers fighting and wrecking the place. I have heard that the police asking for the pub to be closed AGAIN for August ........ this is on top of their license being suspended previously by the police.

Not what I would call a community hub!
Niki are you thinking of the right pub? I think there was another issue there this weekend with some travelers fighting and wrecking the place. I have heard that the police asking for the pub to be closed AGAIN for August ........ this is on top of their license being suspended previously by the police. Not what I would call a community hub! a6747004
  • Score: 11

3:39pm Thu 3 Jul 14

GreenBrown says...

Niki R wrote:
Never miss an opportunity to bash immigration eh, greenbrown?

The issue here is that nobody wants an Asda, nobody is screaming for more shops, and the new tenants of the Woodstock are doing their damnedest to make a success of the place. I barely recognised it when I was there recently- the place is being transformed from a forbidding old boozer to a community hub where I received a warm welcome. For the opportunity to develop something great for the local community to be pulled out from under them is unfair and unreasonable. No word from the Stonecot Councillors as yet- quelle surprise!
"Never miss an opportunity to bash immigration eh,greenbrown?"

Mass, uncontrolled immigration that Labour started, yes.

More importantly, I always like to take the opportunity to highlight Labours hypocrisy and there's always plenty of opportunities to do that. Pretty much every time someone from Labour opens their mouth.
[quote][p][bold]Niki R[/bold] wrote: Never miss an opportunity to bash immigration eh, greenbrown? The issue here is that nobody wants an Asda, nobody is screaming for more shops, and the new tenants of the Woodstock are doing their damnedest to make a success of the place. I barely recognised it when I was there recently- the place is being transformed from a forbidding old boozer to a community hub where I received a warm welcome. For the opportunity to develop something great for the local community to be pulled out from under them is unfair and unreasonable. No word from the Stonecot Councillors as yet- quelle surprise![/p][/quote]"Never miss an opportunity to bash immigration eh,greenbrown?" Mass, uncontrolled immigration that Labour started, yes. More importantly, I always like to take the opportunity to highlight Labours hypocrisy and there's always plenty of opportunities to do that. Pretty much every time someone from Labour opens their mouth. GreenBrown
  • Score: -6

10:21am Sat 5 Jul 14

adrianshort says...

Quite astonishing that this story doesn't explain that Asda's plan is to knock down the existing Woodstock pub building completely and build an entirely different building.

This is a dreadful plan that will destroy the best building on Stonecot Hill and replace it with a featureless single-story shed that you could find anywhere. Sutton Council must reject Asda's plan and work to find a better option for the site that preserves the existing building, preferably as a pub.
Quite astonishing that this story doesn't explain that Asda's plan is to knock down the existing Woodstock pub building completely and build an entirely different building. This is a dreadful plan that will destroy the best building on Stonecot Hill and replace it with a featureless single-story shed that you could find anywhere. Sutton Council must reject Asda's plan and work to find a better option for the site that preserves the existing building, preferably as a pub. adrianshort
  • Score: -2

3:28pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Gerry1 says...

At the presentation I was surprised to see the whole of the Woodstock gone. I had been under the impression they were going to use the plot adjacent to Sutton Common road.
The type of building they propose is the standard 10000.00 Sq Ft retail box.

The impact on the smaller shop keepers, essentially newsagents and small convenience shops, would of course be catastrophic and they would pretty soon become empty units with the now redundant shopkeeper still paying until their lease expires. Heaven knows they are finding it difficult enough with the red route without this.

The Woodstock is landmark and was built as the estates pub. I mentioned this at the meeting and was told that they could possibly re-jig the design to maintain the facade of the Woodstock and allow free parking in their car park so customers could visit the surrounding shops. He went on to say later that the whole site would need to be lowered how you square that with keeping the facade is beyond me.

Then there is the additional disruption to traffic flow during peak times. They implied this was part was a done deal and not a problem they would simply reconfigure the exits.. I find this difficult to believe as the traffic congestion there is mega at peak times and pretty congested at other times too.

As to the 40 jobs they were not sure what they would be. I understand their will be 12 full time jobs, about the same number of small shopkeepers they will unemploy, as for the other 23 will they be the zero hours contract Wal-Mart are so famous for in the states? Probably.

On the whole I am against the plan unless it can be altered to retain the facade and be more sympathetic to its surroundings with restrictions on what it can sell to leave some crumbs for the small independent shopkeepers.
Whilst at that meeting I got talking to another guy who told me that Mac Donalds had been looking at the garage site for a drive thru?
Have you heard anything about that or is it just rumour?
At the presentation I was surprised to see the whole of the Woodstock gone. I had been under the impression they were going to use the plot adjacent to Sutton Common road. The type of building they propose is the standard 10000.00 Sq Ft retail box. The impact on the smaller shop keepers, essentially newsagents and small convenience shops, would of course be catastrophic and they would pretty soon become empty units with the now redundant shopkeeper still paying until their lease expires. Heaven knows they are finding it difficult enough with the red route without this. The Woodstock is landmark and was built as the estates pub. I mentioned this at the meeting and was told that they could possibly re-jig the design to maintain the facade of the Woodstock and allow free parking in their car park so customers could visit the surrounding shops. He went on to say later that the whole site would need to be lowered how you square that with keeping the facade is beyond me. Then there is the additional disruption to traffic flow during peak times. They implied this was part was a done deal and not a problem they would simply reconfigure the exits.. I find this difficult to believe as the traffic congestion there is mega at peak times and pretty congested at other times too. As to the 40 jobs they were not sure what they would be. I understand their will be 12 full time jobs, about the same number of small shopkeepers they will unemploy, as for the other 23 will they be the zero hours contract Wal-Mart are so famous for in the states? Probably. On the whole I am against the plan unless it can be altered to retain the facade and be more sympathetic to its surroundings with restrictions on what it can sell to leave some crumbs for the small independent shopkeepers. Whilst at that meeting I got talking to another guy who told me that Mac Donalds had been looking at the garage site for a drive thru? Have you heard anything about that or is it just rumour? Gerry1
  • Score: -7

3:29pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Gerry1 says...

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  • Score: -6

10:08pm Mon 14 Jul 14

level6 says...

We do not need yet another Supermarket in the area. We have the Co-Op next door, Sainsburys up the road and an Asda in Sutton Centre.
We do not need yet another problem to drive local shops out of business .
We don't need even more small businesses to close causing more local unemployment and more services unavailable locally.
We don't need even less businesses paying their rates into the local exchequer.
We do not need another bland modern shop in place of a characterful , iconic 1930s Coaching Inn.
The new landlords are making a good job of turning the Woodstock into a good local pub and could well become a focal point for the local community.
They are working really hard at changing the whole ethos of the Pub and are doing sterling work in their efforts to engage with local people in in a positive way. This could become , what we very much need, a large "village pub" with event spaces and an adequate car park.
Hands off our local.
We do not need yet another Supermarket in the area. We have the Co-Op next door, Sainsburys up the road and an Asda in Sutton Centre. We do not need yet another problem to drive local shops out of business . We don't need even more small businesses to close causing more local unemployment and more services unavailable locally. We don't need even less businesses paying their rates into the local exchequer. We do not need another bland modern shop in place of a characterful , iconic 1930s Coaching Inn. The new landlords are making a good job of turning the Woodstock into a good local pub and could well become a focal point for the local community. They are working really hard at changing the whole ethos of the Pub and are doing sterling work in their efforts to engage with local people in in a positive way. This could become , what we very much need, a large "village pub" with event spaces and an adequate car park. Hands off our local. level6
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