Neighbours shocked after Richmond College student stabbed in broad daylight

Police tape: Forensics officer at work as another stands guard

Police tape: Forensics officer at work as another stands guard

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Shocked neighbours have called for more to be done to protect young people after a second teenager was stabbed in just over a week.

The latest stabbing was in an alleyway connecting Heathfield South and Craneford Way, just yards from Richmond College.

Police said the victim, who was stabbed this afternoon and is now in a stable condition in hospital, was a student at Richmond College.

Scott Gill, who lives near the college, said: “If it happens once it is bad enough, but twice in a few days is scary.

“Something needs to be done to stop these kids killing each other.”

Lynton Nicholson, who lives next to the alleyway, said police had been in to search his garden to see if a weapon had been thrown over the fence, but found nothing.

The 60-year-old said: “This is quite a nice area really and there is not much violence.

“I’m up and down that alley all day and night, is this going to make me change that? Probably not.”

A 45-year-old woman, who did not want to be named, said if crime was on the rise police needed to step up patrols.

She said: “As a resident it is definitely worrying that this seems to be on the up.

“I know mums with children around here who would be nervous about their kids playing out.

“If this sort of thing is going to happen then police and community support should up their presence.”

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7:45pm Wed 14 May 14

Twickenham resident says...

What's the betting the perpetrators are from outside the Borough and the stabbing was drug / gang related?

Some years ago, when this college was threatened with closure as it was failing and there was not enough take up within the Borough. A hefty sum was offered to keep it going - the proviso being the catchment area was greatly widened.

Given it's long standing rough reputation and the fact that at last there is now good quality state funded provision for 16-18 year olds in the Borough, it's unlikely these recent events will attract more local young students.

Time to take a long hard look at whether this site could be better utilised me thinks...
What's the betting the perpetrators are from outside the Borough and the stabbing was drug / gang related? Some years ago, when this college was threatened with closure as it was failing and there was not enough take up within the Borough. A hefty sum was offered to keep it going - the proviso being the catchment area was greatly widened. Given it's long standing rough reputation and the fact that at last there is now good quality state funded provision for 16-18 year olds in the Borough, it's unlikely these recent events will attract more local young students. Time to take a long hard look at whether this site could be better utilised me thinks... Twickenham resident
  • Score: 2

10:06pm Wed 14 May 14

Twickenham Bob says...

Its Time to shut down the collage for good.
Its Time to shut down the collage for good. Twickenham Bob
  • Score: -8

10:40pm Wed 14 May 14

EjLing says...

I am a student at Richmond College and the only surprising thing about this is that it has not happened sooner. OFSTED are at the college, week beginning 12th May, and I am desperately hoping the college will go into special measures even though I attend it. None of the staff care anymore, they say so themselves, and the whole place should just be burnt to the ground and start over.

As a student of RuTC, my only response to this story is "So what? It's Richmond College. It was bound to happen and I'm only surprised this was off-site with all the rage and hate in that place."
I am a student at Richmond College and the only surprising thing about this is that it has not happened sooner. OFSTED are at the college, week beginning 12th May, and I am desperately hoping the college will go into special measures even though I attend it. None of the staff care anymore, they say so themselves, and the whole place should just be burnt to the ground and start over. As a student of RuTC, my only response to this story is "So what? It's Richmond College. It was bound to happen and I'm only surprised this was off-site with all the rage and hate in that place." EjLing
  • Score: 0

12:54am Thu 15 May 14

Twickenham Bob says...

Richmond Collage used to be a good institution - but then they started to ship in people from miles away. And unfortunately, the ones who are making the long journeys are normally the bad eggs. Whilst the good ones stay local as they have friends and have no reason to travel far from home.

Around Twickenham, and especially on the railway - there is a lot of antisocial behaviour by the students, especially where some go out of their way to be deliberately intimidating.

The police have to patrol Twickenham station everyday to prevent disorder - something that is very damming.
Richmond Collage used to be a good institution - but then they started to ship in people from miles away. And unfortunately, the ones who are making the long journeys are normally the bad eggs. Whilst the good ones stay local as they have friends and have no reason to travel far from home. Around Twickenham, and especially on the railway - there is a lot of antisocial behaviour by the students, especially where some go out of their way to be deliberately intimidating. The police have to patrol Twickenham station everyday to prevent disorder - something that is very damming. Twickenham Bob
  • Score: -5

8:13am Thu 15 May 14

Heathfielder says...

And they want to add another school, plus an office block to this site???
Who, in their right mind, would want primary school aged children mingling with this lot on a daily basis? It is already bad enough as a resident, trying to make your way through hoards of students! The plans for development of this site are madness.
And they want to add another school, plus an office block to this site??? Who, in their right mind, would want primary school aged children mingling with this lot on a daily basis? It is already bad enough as a resident, trying to make your way through hoards of students! The plans for development of this site are madness. Heathfielder
  • Score: -11

10:01am Thu 15 May 14

Futurethought says...

I'm a student at Richmond Upon Thames College... I'm sorry to have to strongly disagree with you 'Bob'... Your comments are somewhat Questionable, contradictory and distressing. Take into account that students from all parts of London travel for the college for its proposed excellence in education. It seems that your insinuating that young people from miles around in every direction are bad.eggs? I'll tell you something, the world is full of bad eggs, maybe less in some areas... but there are many MANY more positive, well mannered, socially adept, determined, good hearted INDIVIDUALS.
P.s. These GOOD eggs aren't just "Local" and there is no way to 'identify' who they are unless you let go of your prejudice and your worry to find out who somebody is
P.p.s Bad eggs will turn rotten if they aren't given a chance...

Peace
Love
Zen
I'm a student at Richmond Upon Thames College... I'm sorry to have to strongly disagree with you 'Bob'... Your comments are somewhat Questionable, contradictory and distressing. Take into account that students from all parts of London travel for the college for its proposed excellence in education. It seems that your insinuating that young people from miles around in every direction are bad.eggs? I'll tell you something, the world is full of bad eggs, maybe less in some areas... but there are many MANY more positive, well mannered, socially adept, determined, good hearted INDIVIDUALS. P.s. These GOOD eggs aren't just "Local" and there is no way to 'identify' who they are unless you let go of your prejudice and your worry to find out who somebody is P.p.s Bad eggs will turn rotten if they aren't given a chance... Peace Love Zen Futurethought
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12:44pm Thu 15 May 14

kingstonpaul says...

Twickenham Bob wrote:
Richmond Collage used to be a good institution - but then they started to ship in people from miles away. And unfortunately, the ones who are making the long journeys are normally the bad eggs. Whilst the good ones stay local as they have friends and have no reason to travel far from home.

Around Twickenham, and especially on the railway - there is a lot of antisocial behaviour by the students, especially where some go out of their way to be deliberately intimidating.

The police have to patrol Twickenham station everyday to prevent disorder - something that is very damming.
This is Little Englander, pull up the drawbridge, mentality. When you talk about 'ones who are making the long journeys' do I detect a frisson of racism in your comments?
Finally, stay behind in detention and write out 100 times the word 'College'. Next time, you'll be able to spell it proper.
[quote][p][bold]Twickenham Bob[/bold] wrote: Richmond Collage used to be a good institution - but then they started to ship in people from miles away. And unfortunately, the ones who are making the long journeys are normally the bad eggs. Whilst the good ones stay local as they have friends and have no reason to travel far from home. Around Twickenham, and especially on the railway - there is a lot of antisocial behaviour by the students, especially where some go out of their way to be deliberately intimidating. The police have to patrol Twickenham station everyday to prevent disorder - something that is very damming.[/p][/quote]This is Little Englander, pull up the drawbridge, mentality. When you talk about 'ones who are making the long journeys' do I detect a frisson of racism in your comments? Finally, stay behind in detention and write out 100 times the word 'College'. Next time, you'll be able to spell it proper. kingstonpaul
  • Score: 7

2:25pm Thu 15 May 14

Twickenham Bob says...

It should not be forgotten that the students at the college are children and need to be treated as such.

One option available would be to change the institution from a tertiary collage to a special sixth form school. They operate the same as a normal school but with only a sixth form. Pupils, not students, would be expected to attend normal school hours and normal discipline would apply like school uniforms, homework, and detentions (including Saturday morning detentions if needed).

Good discipline is vital to learning and being prepared for the world of work. However, something tells me that a certain bracket of students would not apply if it were more like a traditional school.
It should not be forgotten that the students at the college are children and need to be treated as such. One option available would be to change the institution from a tertiary collage to a special sixth form school. They operate the same as a normal school but with only a sixth form. Pupils, not students, would be expected to attend normal school hours and normal discipline would apply like school uniforms, homework, and detentions (including Saturday morning detentions if needed). Good discipline is vital to learning and being prepared for the world of work. However, something tells me that a certain bracket of students would not apply if it were more like a traditional school. Twickenham Bob
  • Score: -9

4:25pm Thu 15 May 14

Futurethought says...

Firstly: i do not believe in arguments... i am only trying to move your mind forwards past the fog that clouds your perception, i really hope you are not so stuck to your cards and obsessed with your pride to look at another's point of view... simply expanding your understanding for your own benefit.

Secondly: I went to Sixthform before coming to Richmond upon Thames, it was very diciplined, there were aforementioned Saturday detentions and there were 20ft metal fences all around to keep the students "protected".
I wasn't allowed to wear a hat, have headphones on show... i wasn't allowed show my slowly developing individualism, to find who i really was or what i really wanted to do. Are you honestly saying that you think Students/Pupils (both can be used to refer to a person in study) should be institutionalized into a group of robots that don't even hesitate to when they are told something, simply believing and following what is said unto them with no question about it like a blind sheep? that have one singular goal in life which is to choose one of the careers on a piece of paper placed on a table in front of them.

Yet the education system gets cut.
Jobs are harder than ever before to find.
Young people finding it almost impossible to buy property.

and all you seem to be able to do is sit there on your illusion of a high horse and try to muster an appalling excuse for criticism, while your racist underlying tone simply belittles yourself.. "ship in people from miles away". When does a child become an adult? .... you sir have proved that age has nothing to do with it with your immature attitude.

Yet i forgive you... learning is not only done in educational establishments... you too can move forwards and remove your shackles of darkness... learn to forgive and look at the beauty of this world
Firstly: i do not believe in arguments... i am only trying to move your mind forwards past the fog that clouds your perception, i really hope you are not so stuck to your cards and obsessed with your pride to look at another's point of view... simply expanding your understanding for your own benefit. Secondly: I went to Sixthform before coming to Richmond upon Thames, it was very diciplined, there were aforementioned Saturday detentions and there were 20ft metal fences all around to keep the students "protected". I wasn't allowed to wear a hat, have headphones on show... i wasn't allowed show my slowly developing individualism, to find who i really was or what i really wanted to do. Are you honestly saying that you think Students/Pupils (both can be used to refer to a person in study) should be institutionalized into a group of robots that don't even hesitate to when they are told something, simply believing and following what is said unto them with no question about it like a blind sheep? that have one singular goal in life which is to choose one of the careers on a piece of paper placed on a table in front of them. Yet the education system gets cut. Jobs are harder than ever before to find. Young people finding it almost impossible to buy property. and all you seem to be able to do is sit there on your illusion of a high horse and try to muster an appalling excuse for criticism, while your racist underlying tone simply belittles yourself.. "ship in people from miles away". When does a child become an adult? .... you sir have proved that age has nothing to do with it with your immature attitude. Yet i forgive you... learning is not only done in educational establishments... you too can move forwards and remove your shackles of darkness... learn to forgive and look at the beauty of this world Futurethought
  • Score: -8

4:27pm Thu 15 May 14

maya.farebrother says...

Personally I chose to attend Richmond college due to the lack of things like uniforms, full days, detentions etc. The point of a college as opposed to a sixth form, is the freedom to learn individually; be guided and not forced. This way students have their future in their own hands and aren't spoon fed information and discipline, they learn it for themselves in order to be more successful, well rounded people in the long run. Also, we are not children...

The police aren't around everyday - once a week at most. They monitor people (residents as well as students) to make sure they're paying for their travel... If you're going to say something please don't be assuming petty things, the college has its own security for that reason and they do their absolute best to stop students **** off the residents
Personally I chose to attend Richmond college due to the lack of things like uniforms, full days, detentions etc. The point of a college as opposed to a sixth form, is the freedom to learn individually; be guided and not forced. This way students have their future in their own hands and aren't spoon fed information and discipline, they learn it for themselves in order to be more successful, well rounded people in the long run. Also, we are not children... The police aren't around everyday - once a week at most. They monitor people (residents as well as students) to make sure they're paying for their travel... If you're going to say something please don't be assuming petty things, the college has its own security for that reason and they do their absolute best to stop students **** off the residents maya.farebrother
  • Score: 2

4:37pm Thu 15 May 14

chloeeea says...

Ok, Twickenham Bob, I was offered the choice of both a sixth form and RuTC, I chose RuTC and I am very happy with my choice, I will write out my reasons in a simple list form for your simple, little mind:
1. The amount of subject choice at RuTC is astonishing, I was able to take two subjects that were unavailable to me at other colleges.
2. Sixth forms are ridiculously 'dumbed down' and treat pupils/students as if they are still in secondary school which we are not we are young adults who have a right to be treated as young adults.
3. At RuTC I personally feel there is little to no judgement, everyone just accepts everyone's individual style and identity. Which is very inspiring and refreshing.
4. This stabbing although slightly expected, only occurred between three individuals, therefore you cannot talk about this horrible incident as if the entire college was involved as there are many hard working and dedicated students.
Oh and by the way you don't wear a uniform at a sixth form though I fail to see the relation between clothing and good behaviour.
Ok, Twickenham Bob, I was offered the choice of both a sixth form and RuTC, I chose RuTC and I am very happy with my choice, I will write out my reasons in a simple list form for your simple, little mind: 1. The amount of subject choice at RuTC is astonishing, I was able to take two subjects that were unavailable to me at other colleges. 2. Sixth forms are ridiculously 'dumbed down' and treat pupils/students as if they are still in secondary school which we are not we are young adults who have a right to be treated as young adults. 3. At RuTC I personally feel there is little to no judgement, everyone just accepts everyone's individual style and identity. Which is very inspiring and refreshing. 4. This stabbing although slightly expected, only occurred between three individuals, therefore you cannot talk about this horrible incident as if the entire college was involved as there are many hard working and dedicated students. Oh and by the way you don't wear a uniform at a sixth form though I fail to see the relation between clothing and good behaviour. chloeeea
  • Score: 6

6:38pm Thu 15 May 14

ChrisSquire says...

The College was created in 1977 from the Tech and two of the borough’s school sixth-forms because it was recognised that they were too small to be viable and could only offer a limited choice. It expanded because of its reputation as a good college and it had room to do so. It attracted students from neighbouring boroughs in large numbers.

In recent years sixth form colleges have been opened in the neighbouring boroughs so the numbers coming here have fallen; income has fallen and there have been staff cuts to try break even. Hence the school/Haymarket/hou
sing scheme - a bold attempt to convert the college into a much smaller one serving the borough.

The lure of a college is strong, for the reasons maya.farebrother sets out so well. It will be the collective decisions of successive peer groups of pupils who will decide which to choose, not the preference of parents who may feel strongly that the school option is much better, for the reasons Twickenham Bob sets out so well.

Preparing pupils for A level exams is a highly skilled task. It will take the inexperienced teachers at our secondary schools several years to get good at it, which will help the College when outcomes are being compared.

The new College may never happen, or, if it does, it may fail to compete with the new sixth forms. Equally, they may may fail to compete with it. We must wait and see.
The College was created in 1977 from the Tech and two of the borough’s school sixth-forms because it was recognised that they were too small to be viable and could only offer a limited choice. It expanded because of its reputation as a good college and it had room to do so. It attracted students from neighbouring boroughs in large numbers. In recent years sixth form colleges have been opened in the neighbouring boroughs so the numbers coming here have fallen; income has fallen and there have been staff cuts to try break even. Hence the school/Haymarket/hou sing scheme - a bold attempt to convert the college into a much smaller one serving the borough. The lure of a college is strong, for the reasons maya.farebrother sets out so well. It will be the collective decisions of successive peer groups of pupils who will decide which to choose, not the preference of parents who may feel strongly that the school option is much better, for the reasons Twickenham Bob sets out so well. Preparing pupils for A level exams is a highly skilled task. It will take the inexperienced teachers at our secondary schools several years to get good at it, which will help the College when outcomes are being compared. The new College may never happen, or, if it does, it may fail to compete with the new sixth forms. Equally, they may may fail to compete with it. We must wait and see. ChrisSquire
  • Score: 1

6:47pm Sat 17 May 14

Echoed says...

I am an RUTC student myself. I have found my teachers are brilliant and I personally feel safe, despite this little incident. It's amazing how seriously the security guards take things. I was being made to feel uncomfortable by a boy and this security guard just walked up and made sure he left me alone. So safety is not an issue.

Knives and drugs are going to be in every college/sixth form, especially in London. All we can really do is take a good look at situations like this and think "I don't wan that to be me/someone I know." and take the necessary precautions to make sure this is the case. We can go to any safeguarding staff (pink lanyards) at college or, as Maya will know, the Student Union who will then take it to the safeguarding staff if we feel too uncomfortable to go straight to an adult and would prefer to talk to a student. We can say if we know that someone is carrying a knife or if we feel that we/them/someone might be in danger.

If any students want to feel better informed about the dangers of knife crime (or any other issues including mental health, sexual health, pregnancy, drugs etc.) they can go to Student Support or Student Union, both on your left as you come from Glades. There are leaflets in both places and you can find staff (SS) and students (SU) that you can talk to in confidence about any incident.
I am an RUTC student myself. I have found my teachers are brilliant and I personally feel safe, despite this little incident. It's amazing how seriously the security guards take things. I was being made to feel uncomfortable by a boy and this security guard just walked up and made sure he left me alone. So safety is not an issue. Knives and drugs are going to be in every college/sixth form, especially in London. All we can really do is take a good look at situations like this and think "I don't wan that to be me/someone I know." and take the necessary precautions to make sure this is the case. We can go to any safeguarding staff (pink lanyards) at college or, as Maya will know, the Student Union who will then take it to the safeguarding staff if we feel too uncomfortable to go straight to an adult and would prefer to talk to a student. We can say if we know that someone is carrying a knife or if we feel that we/them/someone might be in danger. If any students want to feel better informed about the dangers of knife crime (or any other issues including mental health, sexual health, pregnancy, drugs etc.) they can go to Student Support or Student Union, both on your left as you come from Glades. There are leaflets in both places and you can find staff (SS) and students (SU) that you can talk to in confidence about any incident. Echoed
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12:57am Sun 18 May 14

ChrisSquire says...

Update: Third arrest after Richmond College student stabbed in Twickenham
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Update: Third arrest after Richmond College student stabbed in Twickenham www.richmondand twickenhamtimes. co.uk/news/ richmondnews/ 11218376.Third_ arrest_after_ Richmond_ College_ student_ stabbed_ in_ Twickenham ChrisSquire
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10:34am Tue 20 May 14

Sanity99 says...

I regularly use the station just as the pupils are leaving, and it is often a very intimidating place.
I regularly use the station just as the pupils are leaving, and it is often a very intimidating place. Sanity99
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12:37pm Tue 20 May 14

Copthall resident says...

What a lot of ignorance and prejudice.

There are a 1000 pupils in each year at the college, a very diverse student body, these incidents affect a tiny fraction, as are a tiny fraction involved in the bad behaviour at the station. Every time one of these incidents happens we get the people coming out saying the college has gone to the dogs, should be closed etc completely ignoring that it serves a need for a large number of local students who go there to study A levels and other qualifications, which for many are not available elsewhere. Pupils go there from private schools like LEH and Hampton for that very reason. However you are not going to read the story "Former LEH pupil at Richmond College gets Cambridge offer" are you? That might engender a different stereotype, but no more representative than the stabbings.

The new Sixth Forms will not offer sufficient places even for the pupils at the schools and some have very limited offerings, Twickenham Academy will offer just 7 A levels, so there is a need for the college. There is also a desperate need for a new Secondary School and for a suitable site, and Egerton Road is the most suitable. And no one has ever even mentioned siting a primary school there.
What a lot of ignorance and prejudice. There are a 1000 pupils in each year at the college, a very diverse student body, these incidents affect a tiny fraction, as are a tiny fraction involved in the bad behaviour at the station. Every time one of these incidents happens we get the people coming out saying the college has gone to the dogs, should be closed etc completely ignoring that it serves a need for a large number of local students who go there to study A levels and other qualifications, which for many are not available elsewhere. Pupils go there from private schools like LEH and Hampton for that very reason. However you are not going to read the story "Former LEH pupil at Richmond College gets Cambridge offer" are you? That might engender a different stereotype, but no more representative than the stabbings. The new Sixth Forms will not offer sufficient places even for the pupils at the schools and some have very limited offerings, Twickenham Academy will offer just 7 A levels, so there is a need for the college. There is also a desperate need for a new Secondary School and for a suitable site, and Egerton Road is the most suitable. And no one has ever even mentioned siting a primary school there. Copthall resident
  • Score: 0

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