Cannabis factory fire tears through New Cross pub Albertines in Lewisham Way

This Is Local London: A picture of the fire (by @MPSBrockleySgt) A picture of the fire (by @MPSBrockleySgt)

A fire this morning (May 11) tore through a New Cross pub where the top floor was being used as a cannabis factory.

Firefighters were called out to the old Albertines pub in Lewisham Way at 3.47am and fought the blaze for around two hours.

On arrival, police discovered a cannabis factory on the upper floor, though no arrests have been made.

Ambulance crews were called out as a precaution but there were no reported casualties and the building was empty when emergency services arrived.

Around half the first and second floors were damaged by the fire, along with most of the roof.

Roads around the pub were closed for several hours but have since reopened.

The cause of the fire is under investigation.

Albertines has had a troubled history in recent times. The pub, criticised at a recent licensing committee as being run "more like a club" and causing a nuisance to people living nearby, closed down last year but was undergoing refurbishment.

 

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11:23am Sun 11 May 14

PJ Reynolds says...

These are the consequences of our ridiculous policy of cannabis prohibition. Theresa May and David Cameron as good as struck the match.

The British people have been systematically misled and deceived about cannabis for nearly 100 years.

The truth is that the impact of cannabis on mental health and all aspects of our health services is infinitesimally small. That's not to say it is harmless but peanut allergy causes more health harms. The facts of hospital admissions and the numbers in treatment show that cannabis is a trivial cause of problems and irrelevant in public health terms.

Not only are the harms of cannabis far less than tobacco, alcohol, all POM and OTC medicines but scientists now recognise that for most adults, in moderation, it's actually good for you. Cannabis is a natural supplement to our endocannabinoid system and helps to protect against autoimmune condiutions such as diabetes and cancer. It is also neuroprotective and promotes neurogenesisn which is why it is useful for the treatment of brain injury, stroke, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. In fact, the US government holds a patent for the use of cannabinoids in the treatment of such conditions.

If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. We'd have no more illegal and dangerous cannabis farms destroying property and causing fires. Instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content.

CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform published independent, expert research in 2011 which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum.

The rest of the word is leaving Britain behind and taking advantage of the huge financial and health benefits of cannabis. It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us.
These are the consequences of our ridiculous policy of cannabis prohibition. Theresa May and David Cameron as good as struck the match. The British people have been systematically misled and deceived about cannabis for nearly 100 years. The truth is that the impact of cannabis on mental health and all aspects of our health services is infinitesimally small. That's not to say it is harmless but peanut allergy causes more health harms. The facts of hospital admissions and the numbers in treatment show that cannabis is a trivial cause of problems and irrelevant in public health terms. Not only are the harms of cannabis far less than tobacco, alcohol, all POM and OTC medicines but scientists now recognise that for most adults, in moderation, it's actually good for you. Cannabis is a natural supplement to our endocannabinoid system and helps to protect against autoimmune condiutions such as diabetes and cancer. It is also neuroprotective and promotes neurogenesisn which is why it is useful for the treatment of brain injury, stroke, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. In fact, the US government holds a patent for the use of cannabinoids in the treatment of such conditions. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. We'd have no more illegal and dangerous cannabis farms destroying property and causing fires. Instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform published independent, expert research in 2011 which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum. The rest of the word is leaving Britain behind and taking advantage of the huge financial and health benefits of cannabis. It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us. PJ Reynolds
  • Score: 0

2:01pm Sun 11 May 14

shabina says...

so its shut down, for refurb.. with builders around .. yet builders and the owners of pub don't know they've a dangerous factory upstairs!! very weird.. looks like the builders were regulars at the pub !!!
so its shut down, for refurb.. with builders around .. yet builders and the owners of pub don't know they've a dangerous factory upstairs!! very weird.. looks like the builders were regulars at the pub !!! shabina
  • Score: 6

2:05pm Sun 11 May 14

shabina says...

AND another thing, nothing on this subject but about that nasty ROLF HARRIS, stop saying this nasty man is from sydenham... he lived here in th 60's, and is now not from here.. the way this paper is headlining the article, they make it sound like he is actually a lewisham resident !!
AND another thing, nothing on this subject but about that nasty ROLF HARRIS, stop saying this nasty man is from sydenham... he lived here in th 60's, and is now not from here.. the way this paper is headlining the article, they make it sound like he is actually a lewisham resident !! shabina
  • Score: -16

3:07pm Sun 11 May 14

sarfflondonbird says...

That's another pub to be demolished then isn't it? Whatever clap trap has been spouted above. You all know that once it's gutted by fire, that's the end of it until it becomes a mini supermarket or block of flats. Wasn't it a fire that gutted the Harvester at Dulwich some two years ago now? That's supposed to be awaiting refurb, well it has been over a year or so now and nothing doing. So you may as well kiss that pub goodbye too. No doubt this pub will probably follow in the same foot steps.
Why is it that all the good pubs in the borough are being turned in to cannabis dens or dealing house only to be fire bombed out or shut down by the authorities? I don't really need to answer that do I? It's because they are gradually being eroded by the undesirables eh?
That's another pub to be demolished then isn't it? Whatever clap trap has been spouted above. You all know that once it's gutted by fire, that's the end of it until it becomes a mini supermarket or block of flats. Wasn't it a fire that gutted the Harvester at Dulwich some two years ago now? That's supposed to be awaiting refurb, well it has been over a year or so now and nothing doing. So you may as well kiss that pub goodbye too. No doubt this pub will probably follow in the same foot steps. Why is it that all the good pubs in the borough are being turned in to cannabis dens or dealing house only to be fire bombed out or shut down by the authorities? I don't really need to answer that do I? It's because they are gradually being eroded by the undesirables eh? sarfflondonbird
  • Score: -8

3:45pm Sun 11 May 14

Gypo.Joe says...

"It's because they are gradually being eroded by the undesirables eh?"


STOP going in them then. We can all do without undesirables like you in our pubs.
"It's because they are gradually being eroded by the undesirables eh?" STOP going in them then. We can all do without undesirables like you in our pubs. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -30

6:41pm Sun 11 May 14

NR23Derek says...

Isn't the present drugs policy wonderful? The mob producing the cannabis equivalent of moonshine in unregulated farms hidden away in derelict buildings.

For heavens sake this madness should end, legalise, control and regulate this massive cannabis trade and give up on this madness of failed prohibition.
Isn't the present drugs policy wonderful? The mob producing the cannabis equivalent of moonshine in unregulated farms hidden away in derelict buildings. For heavens sake this madness should end, legalise, control and regulate this massive cannabis trade and give up on this madness of failed prohibition. NR23Derek
  • Score: 1

10:40am Mon 12 May 14

SidcupResident says...

Firemen at the seen were treated for smoke inhalation, the munchies, and seeing pink elephants....
Firemen at the seen were treated for smoke inhalation, the munchies, and seeing pink elephants.... SidcupResident
  • Score: 22

10:58am Mon 12 May 14

Gypo.Joe says...

SidcupResident wrote:
Firemen at the seen were treated for smoke inhalation, the munchies, and seeing pink elephants....
At the seen ?

FAIL !

Go back to shelf filling will ya boi.
[quote][p][bold]SidcupResident[/bold] wrote: Firemen at the seen were treated for smoke inhalation, the munchies, and seeing pink elephants....[/p][/quote]At the seen ? FAIL ! Go back to shelf filling will ya boi. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -45

1:22pm Mon 12 May 14

SidcupResident says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
SidcupResident wrote: Firemen at the seen were treated for smoke inhalation, the munchies, and seeing pink elephants....
At the seen ? FAIL ! Go back to shelf filling will ya boi.
Well spotted Joe. I hold my hands up I have no idea how that typo occurred (bloody iPhone).

Although to be fair, looking at your response you're not exactly the ideal person to criticise spelling... ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SidcupResident[/bold] wrote: Firemen at the seen were treated for smoke inhalation, the munchies, and seeing pink elephants....[/p][/quote]At the seen ? FAIL ! Go back to shelf filling will ya boi.[/p][/quote]Well spotted Joe. I hold my hands up I have no idea how that typo occurred (bloody iPhone). Although to be fair, looking at your response you're not exactly the ideal person to criticise spelling... ;-) SidcupResident
  • Score: 38

1:31pm Mon 12 May 14

kentlad says...

PJ Reynolds wrote:
These are the consequences of our ridiculous policy of cannabis prohibition. Theresa May and David Cameron as good as struck the match.

The British people have been systematically misled and deceived about cannabis for nearly 100 years.

The truth is that the impact of cannabis on mental health and all aspects of our health services is infinitesimally small. That's not to say it is harmless but peanut allergy causes more health harms. The facts of hospital admissions and the numbers in treatment show that cannabis is a trivial cause of problems and irrelevant in public health terms.

Not only are the harms of cannabis far less than tobacco, alcohol, all POM and OTC medicines but scientists now recognise that for most adults, in moderation, it's actually good for you. Cannabis is a natural supplement to our endocannabinoid system and helps to protect against autoimmune condiutions such as diabetes and cancer. It is also neuroprotective and promotes neurogenesisn which is why it is useful for the treatment of brain injury, stroke, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. In fact, the US government holds a patent for the use of cannabinoids in the treatment of such conditions.

If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. We'd have no more illegal and dangerous cannabis farms destroying property and causing fires. Instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content.

CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform published independent, expert research in 2011 which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum.

The rest of the word is leaving Britain behind and taking advantage of the huge financial and health benefits of cannabis. It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us.
Most people I know or smell should I say that smoke this crap are either brain dead or nearly there. Have you actually been in a room with a bunch of people who smoke Cannabis? I have and I can tell you now they all talked like zombies. I was completing a refurb on a building in Bexley where they were holding a drug rehab class and I was shocked at those I could hear speaking in the back ground... I know five year olds who speak clearer and can hold a better conversation than these people. The other problem with Cannabis is what people move onto from this. Personally I think drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco is bad for your health however, I can’t see how you think smoking cannabis is less damaging???
[quote][p][bold]PJ Reynolds[/bold] wrote: These are the consequences of our ridiculous policy of cannabis prohibition. Theresa May and David Cameron as good as struck the match. The British people have been systematically misled and deceived about cannabis for nearly 100 years. The truth is that the impact of cannabis on mental health and all aspects of our health services is infinitesimally small. That's not to say it is harmless but peanut allergy causes more health harms. The facts of hospital admissions and the numbers in treatment show that cannabis is a trivial cause of problems and irrelevant in public health terms. Not only are the harms of cannabis far less than tobacco, alcohol, all POM and OTC medicines but scientists now recognise that for most adults, in moderation, it's actually good for you. Cannabis is a natural supplement to our endocannabinoid system and helps to protect against autoimmune condiutions such as diabetes and cancer. It is also neuroprotective and promotes neurogenesisn which is why it is useful for the treatment of brain injury, stroke, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. In fact, the US government holds a patent for the use of cannabinoids in the treatment of such conditions. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. We'd have no more illegal and dangerous cannabis farms destroying property and causing fires. Instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform published independent, expert research in 2011 which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum. The rest of the word is leaving Britain behind and taking advantage of the huge financial and health benefits of cannabis. It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us.[/p][/quote]Most people I know or smell should I say that smoke this crap are either brain dead or nearly there. Have you actually been in a room with a bunch of people who smoke Cannabis? I have and I can tell you now they all talked like zombies. I was completing a refurb on a building in Bexley where they were holding a drug rehab class and I was shocked at those I could hear speaking in the back ground... I know five year olds who speak clearer and can hold a better conversation than these people. The other problem with Cannabis is what people move onto from this. Personally I think drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco is bad for your health however, I can’t see how you think smoking cannabis is less damaging??? kentlad
  • Score: -5

9:32am Tue 13 May 14

TomTom87 says...

Only one person should be held accountable for this. Boris Johnson. If he had spent less money on Boris Bikes and Cycle Lanes, and more money on heat detecting helicopters, the Cannabis Farm in question could have been detected a long time ago, thus preventing the fire! Boris basically was responsible. I think there is need for a full inquiry.
Only one person should be held accountable for this. Boris Johnson. If he had spent less money on Boris Bikes and Cycle Lanes, and more money on heat detecting helicopters, the Cannabis Farm in question could have been detected a long time ago, thus preventing the fire! Boris basically was responsible. I think there is need for a full inquiry. TomTom87
  • Score: -7

10:53am Tue 13 May 14

RealBR89 says...

TomTom87 you're right that it's the fault of pointless gimmicky initiatives that do not focus on REAL issues that REAL people REALly care about like drugs and crime. But BJ is just a gormless buffoon being led along, have a look at him...do you REALly think he has the intelligence to run the biggest global economic and financial superpower citystate?...get REAL.

Have a look at who sponsors the so called "Boris Bikes"...yes that's right it's global superpower and tax owned Barclays...You'll notice at this point they're not called "Barclays Bikes" as they quite rightly do NOT want the public to know that the bankers are pulling BJ's strings. The social elite want the proles to continue puffing on jazz fags and not thinking about how they are being held down in a city that produces 10% of the worlds GDP but has one of the highest child poverty rates in Western Europe. Meanwhile Barclays and their ilk are teaching the likes of Gary Barlow et al. how to maximise their robbing off the British public by contributing 0% income tax. Yes that's right 0%!!!!!

And who do you think boosted these guys in to the political powerhouse hotseat anyway....oh yeah it was Margaret Thatcher and her crony Tony Blair! I would love to hear both their takes on this but of course that would be too REAL for them and they'll be running scared just like the REAL potential victims of this fire.
TomTom87 you're right that it's the fault of pointless gimmicky initiatives that do not focus on REAL issues that REAL people REALly care about like drugs and crime. But BJ is just a gormless buffoon being led along, have a look at him...do you REALly think he has the intelligence to run the biggest global economic and financial superpower citystate?...get REAL. Have a look at who sponsors the so called "Boris Bikes"...yes that's right it's global superpower and tax owned Barclays...You'll notice at this point they're not called "Barclays Bikes" as they quite rightly do NOT want the public to know that the bankers are pulling BJ's strings. The social elite want the proles to continue puffing on jazz fags and not thinking about how they are being held down in a city that produces 10% of the worlds GDP but has one of the highest child poverty rates in Western Europe. Meanwhile Barclays and their ilk are teaching the likes of Gary Barlow et al. how to maximise their robbing off the British public by contributing 0% income tax. Yes that's right 0%!!!!! And who do you think boosted these guys in to the political powerhouse hotseat anyway....oh yeah it was Margaret Thatcher and her crony Tony Blair! I would love to hear both their takes on this but of course that would be too REAL for them and they'll be running scared just like the REAL potential victims of this fire. RealBR89
  • Score: -5

11:13am Tue 13 May 14

TomTom87 says...

RealBR89 I don't think I could disagree more with your comments. if you REALly had any brains at all you wouldn't attack Gary Barlow, who has contributed so much to our great country. He organised the Queens Jubilee concert and has performed on Children in Need on SIX occasions. He is a national treasure and I'm really offended you've bought him into this.

Also I don't get why you have to keep saying REAL every other word, like its your catchphrase or something? if it is your catchphrase its a REALly poor one.

Think your missing the point here. If people like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage (of UKIP) keep wasting the publics money on Boris Bikes/& the stuff that Farage keeps wasting money on, then we cant afford the helicopters that can detect the Cannabis Farms. These things cause fires and other things
RealBR89 I don't think I could disagree more with your comments. if you REALly had any brains at all you wouldn't attack Gary Barlow, who has contributed so much to our great country. He organised the Queens Jubilee concert and has performed on Children in Need on SIX occasions. He is a national treasure and I'm really offended you've bought him into this. Also I don't get why you have to keep saying REAL every other word, like its your catchphrase or something? if it is your catchphrase its a REALly poor one. Think your missing the point here. If people like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage (of UKIP) keep wasting the publics money on Boris Bikes/& the stuff that Farage keeps wasting money on, then we cant afford the helicopters that can detect the Cannabis Farms. These things cause fires and other things TomTom87
  • Score: -3

1:29pm Tue 13 May 14

sarfflondonbird says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
"It's because they are gradually being eroded by the undesirables eh?"


STOP going in them then. We can all do without undesirables like you in our pubs.
Or YOU for that matter.
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: "It's because they are gradually being eroded by the undesirables eh?" STOP going in them then. We can all do without undesirables like you in our pubs.[/p][/quote]Or YOU for that matter. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 20

1:41pm Tue 13 May 14

sarfflondonbird says...

TomTom87 wrote:
RealBR89 I don't think I could disagree more with your comments. if you REALly had any brains at all you wouldn't attack Gary Barlow, who has contributed so much to our great country. He organised the Queens Jubilee concert and has performed on Children in Need on SIX occasions. He is a national treasure and I'm really offended you've bought him into this.

Also I don't get why you have to keep saying REAL every other word, like its your catchphrase or something? if it is your catchphrase its a REALly poor one.

Think your missing the point here. If people like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage (of UKIP) keep wasting the publics money on Boris Bikes/& the stuff that Farage keeps wasting money on, then we cant afford the helicopters that can detect the Cannabis Farms. These things cause fires and other things
Gary Barlow may have done this, that and the other, but like the rest of us he still has to contribute to taxation, something he has avoided very cleverly, up until now that is. Why do you feel he should be exempt from paying taxes like the rest of us? Along with the other free loading companies making their extortionate profits on the backs of us, the ordinary tax payer? Obviously, Gary Barlow is seated well in the back pocket of our current prime minister, who can say more than that?
And as for your comments about BJ and NF. (ironic initials aren't they?) well, I have to disagree. Although one of them acts like a bafoon, his strings are being pulled by themaster puppets as for NF, he may act 'jack the lad' type, but unless he and other parties other than lie/lib/con get a chance to get and show us what they can do for us - the electorate - then we wont know if he is useless or not.
We could still do with these helicopters that you go on about, but how about a good reduction in MP's salaries, which combined would no doubt enable us to purchase one or two of these machines.
[quote][p][bold]TomTom87[/bold] wrote: RealBR89 I don't think I could disagree more with your comments. if you REALly had any brains at all you wouldn't attack Gary Barlow, who has contributed so much to our great country. He organised the Queens Jubilee concert and has performed on Children in Need on SIX occasions. He is a national treasure and I'm really offended you've bought him into this. Also I don't get why you have to keep saying REAL every other word, like its your catchphrase or something? if it is your catchphrase its a REALly poor one. Think your missing the point here. If people like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage (of UKIP) keep wasting the publics money on Boris Bikes/& the stuff that Farage keeps wasting money on, then we cant afford the helicopters that can detect the Cannabis Farms. These things cause fires and other things[/p][/quote]Gary Barlow may have done this, that and the other, but like the rest of us he still has to contribute to taxation, something he has avoided very cleverly, up until now that is. Why do you feel he should be exempt from paying taxes like the rest of us? Along with the other free loading companies making their extortionate profits on the backs of us, the ordinary tax payer? Obviously, Gary Barlow is seated well in the back pocket of our current prime minister, who can say more than that? And as for your comments about BJ and NF. (ironic initials aren't they?) well, I have to disagree. Although one of them acts like a bafoon, his strings are being pulled by themaster puppets as for NF, he may act 'jack the lad' type, but unless he and other parties other than lie/lib/con get a chance to get and show us what they can do for us - the electorate - then we wont know if he is useless or not. We could still do with these helicopters that you go on about, but how about a good reduction in MP's salaries, which combined would no doubt enable us to purchase one or two of these machines. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 15

2:19pm Tue 13 May 14

RealBR89 says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
TomTom87 wrote:
RealBR89 I don't think I could disagree more with your comments. if you REALly had any brains at all you wouldn't attack Gary Barlow, who has contributed so much to our great country. He organised the Queens Jubilee concert and has performed on Children in Need on SIX occasions. He is a national treasure and I'm really offended you've bought him into this.

Also I don't get why you have to keep saying REAL every other word, like its your catchphrase or something? if it is your catchphrase its a REALly poor one.

Think your missing the point here. If people like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage (of UKIP) keep wasting the publics money on Boris Bikes/& the stuff that Farage keeps wasting money on, then we cant afford the helicopters that can detect the Cannabis Farms. These things cause fires and other things
Gary Barlow may have done this, that and the other, but like the rest of us he still has to contribute to taxation, something he has avoided very cleverly, up until now that is. Why do you feel he should be exempt from paying taxes like the rest of us? Along with the other free loading companies making their extortionate profits on the backs of us, the ordinary tax payer? Obviously, Gary Barlow is seated well in the back pocket of our current prime minister, who can say more than that?
And as for your comments about BJ and NF. (ironic initials aren't they?) well, I have to disagree. Although one of them acts like a bafoon, his strings are being pulled by themaster puppets as for NF, he may act 'jack the lad' type, but unless he and other parties other than lie/lib/con get a chance to get and show us what they can do for us - the electorate - then we wont know if he is useless or not.
We could still do with these helicopters that you go on about, but how about a good reduction in MP's salaries, which combined would no doubt enable us to purchase one or two of these machines.
TomTom87 its YOU who are missing the point young man and NOT I! Barlow, Farage (of ukip), BJ (mayor of London) and the helicopters are all connected. Unless NF the ex-city trader and benefits cheat gives back REAL money to REAL people there will never be any money for issues people care about like buses and helicopters. Unless barlow coughs up ALL of his take that royalties and merchandise sales and X Factor salary to REAL people there will be no money for schools or training police helicopter pilots. Unless we get rid of BJ and the strings leading to the global elite and royals who control our nations purse strings we will never have money for the fire department or helicopters.

SLB you are right but you've got it the wrong way round. Our prime Minister is snugly in the back pocket of the Prime Minister. GB (how ironic are those initials?) has been gaining power in the conservatives for the last 10 years and it's his endorsement along with his tax free donations that have allowed D. Cameron to become the PM and more! Totally agree with you on NF and BJ though you couldn't have got it any more spot on. This is what the electorate want NOT Cannabis Farms! Its people like you who need to tell these guys where to stuff it and how to run the country for the REAL people, including TomTom87 and Gypo.Joe
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TomTom87[/bold] wrote: RealBR89 I don't think I could disagree more with your comments. if you REALly had any brains at all you wouldn't attack Gary Barlow, who has contributed so much to our great country. He organised the Queens Jubilee concert and has performed on Children in Need on SIX occasions. He is a national treasure and I'm really offended you've bought him into this. Also I don't get why you have to keep saying REAL every other word, like its your catchphrase or something? if it is your catchphrase its a REALly poor one. Think your missing the point here. If people like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage (of UKIP) keep wasting the publics money on Boris Bikes/& the stuff that Farage keeps wasting money on, then we cant afford the helicopters that can detect the Cannabis Farms. These things cause fires and other things[/p][/quote]Gary Barlow may have done this, that and the other, but like the rest of us he still has to contribute to taxation, something he has avoided very cleverly, up until now that is. Why do you feel he should be exempt from paying taxes like the rest of us? Along with the other free loading companies making their extortionate profits on the backs of us, the ordinary tax payer? Obviously, Gary Barlow is seated well in the back pocket of our current prime minister, who can say more than that? And as for your comments about BJ and NF. (ironic initials aren't they?) well, I have to disagree. Although one of them acts like a bafoon, his strings are being pulled by themaster puppets as for NF, he may act 'jack the lad' type, but unless he and other parties other than lie/lib/con get a chance to get and show us what they can do for us - the electorate - then we wont know if he is useless or not. We could still do with these helicopters that you go on about, but how about a good reduction in MP's salaries, which combined would no doubt enable us to purchase one or two of these machines.[/p][/quote]TomTom87 its YOU who are missing the point young man and NOT I! Barlow, Farage (of ukip), BJ (mayor of London) and the helicopters are all connected. Unless NF the ex-city trader and benefits cheat gives back REAL money to REAL people there will never be any money for issues people care about like buses and helicopters. Unless barlow coughs up ALL of his take that royalties and merchandise sales and X Factor salary to REAL people there will be no money for schools or training police helicopter pilots. Unless we get rid of BJ and the strings leading to the global elite and royals who control our nations purse strings we will never have money for the fire department or helicopters. SLB you are right but you've got it the wrong way round. Our prime Minister is snugly in the back pocket of the Prime Minister. GB (how ironic are those initials?) has been gaining power in the conservatives for the last 10 years and it's his endorsement along with his tax free donations that have allowed D. Cameron to become the PM and more! Totally agree with you on NF and BJ though you couldn't have got it any more spot on. This is what the electorate want NOT Cannabis Farms! Its people like you who need to tell these guys where to stuff it and how to run the country for the REAL people, including TomTom87 and Gypo.Joe RealBR89
  • Score: 4

8:26am Wed 14 May 14

PaulErith says...

kentlad wrote:
PJ Reynolds wrote:
These are the consequences of our ridiculous policy of cannabis prohibition. Theresa May and David Cameron as good as struck the match.

The British people have been systematically misled and deceived about cannabis for nearly 100 years.

The truth is that the impact of cannabis on mental health and all aspects of our health services is infinitesimally small. That's not to say it is harmless but peanut allergy causes more health harms. The facts of hospital admissions and the numbers in treatment show that cannabis is a trivial cause of problems and irrelevant in public health terms.

Not only are the harms of cannabis far less than tobacco, alcohol, all POM and OTC medicines but scientists now recognise that for most adults, in moderation, it's actually good for you. Cannabis is a natural supplement to our endocannabinoid system and helps to protect against autoimmune condiutions such as diabetes and cancer. It is also neuroprotective and promotes neurogenesisn which is why it is useful for the treatment of brain injury, stroke, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. In fact, the US government holds a patent for the use of cannabinoids in the treatment of such conditions.

If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. We'd have no more illegal and dangerous cannabis farms destroying property and causing fires. Instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content.

CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform published independent, expert research in 2011 which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum.

The rest of the word is leaving Britain behind and taking advantage of the huge financial and health benefits of cannabis. It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us.
Most people I know or smell should I say that smoke this crap are either brain dead or nearly there. Have you actually been in a room with a bunch of people who smoke Cannabis? I have and I can tell you now they all talked like zombies. I was completing a refurb on a building in Bexley where they were holding a drug rehab class and I was shocked at those I could hear speaking in the back ground... I know five year olds who speak clearer and can hold a better conversation than these people. The other problem with Cannabis is what people move onto from this. Personally I think drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco is bad for your health however, I can’t see how you think smoking cannabis is less damaging???
Absolutely agree. I know a few people that smoke it very occasionally and they're ok, but those that do it all the time, have serious issues. This bloke can claim that we've been "systematically misled", but that doesn't wash with me. I'm making my judgement based on real life and what I've witnessed. No studies and research can beat that! Don't get me wrong, cigarettes are clearly bad for one's health and if they were introduced today, they wouldn't be legalised. Alcohol does have similar ill effects. However, just because they are legal doesn't mean we should legalise another extremely harmful drug. People that have cannabis over a sustained period of time completely lose the plot. I know of people that even years after quitting the habit, still can't speak properly as they've caused long term damage.
[quote][p][bold]kentlad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJ Reynolds[/bold] wrote: These are the consequences of our ridiculous policy of cannabis prohibition. Theresa May and David Cameron as good as struck the match. The British people have been systematically misled and deceived about cannabis for nearly 100 years. The truth is that the impact of cannabis on mental health and all aspects of our health services is infinitesimally small. That's not to say it is harmless but peanut allergy causes more health harms. The facts of hospital admissions and the numbers in treatment show that cannabis is a trivial cause of problems and irrelevant in public health terms. Not only are the harms of cannabis far less than tobacco, alcohol, all POM and OTC medicines but scientists now recognise that for most adults, in moderation, it's actually good for you. Cannabis is a natural supplement to our endocannabinoid system and helps to protect against autoimmune condiutions such as diabetes and cancer. It is also neuroprotective and promotes neurogenesisn which is why it is useful for the treatment of brain injury, stroke, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. In fact, the US government holds a patent for the use of cannabinoids in the treatment of such conditions. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. We'd have no more illegal and dangerous cannabis farms destroying property and causing fires. Instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform published independent, expert research in 2011 which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum. The rest of the word is leaving Britain behind and taking advantage of the huge financial and health benefits of cannabis. It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us.[/p][/quote]Most people I know or smell should I say that smoke this crap are either brain dead or nearly there. Have you actually been in a room with a bunch of people who smoke Cannabis? I have and I can tell you now they all talked like zombies. I was completing a refurb on a building in Bexley where they were holding a drug rehab class and I was shocked at those I could hear speaking in the back ground... I know five year olds who speak clearer and can hold a better conversation than these people. The other problem with Cannabis is what people move onto from this. Personally I think drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco is bad for your health however, I can’t see how you think smoking cannabis is less damaging???[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. I know a few people that smoke it very occasionally and they're ok, but those that do it all the time, have serious issues. This bloke can claim that we've been "systematically misled", but that doesn't wash with me. I'm making my judgement based on real life and what I've witnessed. No studies and research can beat that! Don't get me wrong, cigarettes are clearly bad for one's health and if they were introduced today, they wouldn't be legalised. Alcohol does have similar ill effects. However, just because they are legal doesn't mean we should legalise another extremely harmful drug. People that have cannabis over a sustained period of time completely lose the plot. I know of people that even years after quitting the habit, still can't speak properly as they've caused long term damage. PaulErith
  • Score: 5

10:14am Thu 15 May 14

jeff onions says...

heard gypo joe will be visiting "gobbler`s knob" when he visits USA on hols l8tr lol! i fought @ first it was a wind up name for a place but iv scene it all over the net loll
heard gypo joe will be visiting "gobbler`s knob" when he visits USA on hols l8tr lol! i fought @ first it was a wind up name for a place but iv scene it all over the net loll jeff onions
  • Score: 10

11:13am Thu 15 May 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Was there years ago boi. You have to go early February if you wanna see Punxsutawney Phil the groundhog in Pennsylvania.

Like you Phil hides in the shadows sonny.
Was there years ago boi. You have to go early February if you wanna see Punxsutawney Phil the groundhog in Pennsylvania. Like you Phil hides in the shadows sonny. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 20

10:47am Fri 16 May 14

LilMissL says...

Legalise, regulate, control.
The war on drugs has already been lost.
Legalise, regulate, control. The war on drugs has already been lost. LilMissL
  • Score: -2

1:12pm Fri 16 May 14

Dr Martin says...

LilMissL wrote:
Legalise, regulate, control.
The war on drugs has already been lost.
No it hasn't, illicit drug use on the whole is either stabilising or falling.
[quote][p][bold]LilMissL[/bold] wrote: Legalise, regulate, control. The war on drugs has already been lost.[/p][/quote]No it hasn't, illicit drug use on the whole is either stabilising or falling. Dr Martin
  • Score: 1

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