Mayor Nadeem Ali and three other Labour councillors are currently in the Kashmir region of Pakistan

This Is Local London: Mayor Nadeem Ali, his father, and two other Labour councillors were invited to Pakistan by the President of Azad Jammu and Kashmir. Mayor Nadeem Ali, his father, and two other Labour councillors were invited to Pakistan by the President of Azad Jammu and Kashmir.

A delegation of councillors are currently visiting Pakistan.

Mayor Nadeem Ali, his father and High Street ward councillor, Liaquat Ali, Lea Bridge ward councillor Masood Ahmad, and Higham Hill ward councillor, Haroon Khan, all left for the Kashmir region of Pakistan on April 1.

The Labour councillors are visiting Sardar Muhammad Yaqoob Khan, President of Azad Jammu and Kashmir, who is paying for the trip, to share best practice in services and governance.

A council spokesman said: “Further to a visit made a couple of weeks ago to the borough by the President of Azad Jammu and Kashmir, the Mayor of Waltham Forest and a number of other councillors have reciprocated by visiting him at his invitation.

“This has been done at no cost to the council and declarations of hospitality have already been published and will be added to on return from the trip as required.”

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10:06am Fri 4 Apr 14

Villagecranberry says...

This is obviously a good old jolly up and will have no benefit to Waltham Forest. Bet the Mayor will be walking around with his chains on showing off as to how important he is, in the scorching heat.

I wonder if Liquat Ali is taking any of his other younger children with him out of school term time as he has previously been prosecuted for the same and did not pay the fine in time.
This is obviously a good old jolly up and will have no benefit to Waltham Forest. Bet the Mayor will be walking around with his chains on showing off as to how important he is, in the scorching heat. I wonder if Liquat Ali is taking any of his other younger children with him out of school term time as he has previously been prosecuted for the same and did not pay the fine in time. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 57

10:57am Fri 4 Apr 14

Techno3 says...

'Best practice'

Oh the irony.
'Best practice' Oh the irony. Techno3
  • Score: 51

11:25am Fri 4 Apr 14

cynicalsue says...

'The Labour councillors are visiting Sardar Muhammad Yaqoob Khan, President of Azad Jammu and Kashmir, who is paying for the trip, to share best practice in services and governance.'

Otherwise known as a freebie. Funny how these trips are always to the 'homeland'?
'The Labour councillors are visiting Sardar Muhammad Yaqoob Khan, President of Azad Jammu and Kashmir, who is paying for the trip, to share best practice in services and governance.' Otherwise known as a freebie. Funny how these trips are always to the 'homeland'? cynicalsue
  • Score: 44

12:59pm Fri 4 Apr 14

mdj says...

I would comment, but my satirical faculties have just suffered a catastrophic Repetitive Strain Injury.
Tom Lehrer retired when Kissinger got the Nobel Peace Prize; we're entering that territory here.

We already benefited from sharing best practice with Pakistan when Mr Ali's ward had a turnout of 125% at the last election.
What more could we possibly learn?
I would comment, but my satirical faculties have just suffered a catastrophic Repetitive Strain Injury. Tom Lehrer retired when Kissinger got the Nobel Peace Prize; we're entering that territory here. We already benefited from sharing best practice with Pakistan when Mr Ali's ward had a turnout of 125% at the last election. What more could we possibly learn? mdj
  • Score: 44

2:34pm Fri 4 Apr 14

bin yaqub says...

@ mdj.

"We already benefited from sharing best practice with Pakistan when Mr Ali's ward had a turnout of 125% at the last election.
What more could we possibly learn?"


Could you possibly supply links to the proof of the accusations you have made now in public. If not perhaps you should edit it before it goes legal on you.
Have a nice day ya'all
@ mdj. "We already benefited from sharing best practice with Pakistan when Mr Ali's ward had a turnout of 125% at the last election. What more could we possibly learn?" Could you possibly supply links to the proof of the accusations you have made now in public. If not perhaps you should edit it before it goes legal on you. Have a nice day ya'all bin yaqub
  • Score: -48

2:54pm Fri 4 Apr 14

mdj says...

Simply look at the election results for 2010, bin yaqub, and the coverage given by this paper at the time.
1000 extra votes were awarded to each Labour candidate at the count. This was not spotted by anyone at the count, amazingly, but later on by a local resident who was a statistician.
The Council's website still has on record that the result needed to be amended after court action by the Lib Dems, who lost a seat due to the false return
It does not mention that the returning officer was shortly afterwards paid £346,000 to retire immediately under a non-disclosure agreement.
Simply look at the election results for 2010, bin yaqub, and the coverage given by this paper at the time. 1000 extra votes were awarded to each Labour candidate at the count. This was not spotted by anyone at the count, amazingly, but later on by a local resident who was a statistician. The Council's website still has on record that the result needed to be amended after court action by the Lib Dems, who lost a seat due to the false return It does not mention that the returning officer was shortly afterwards paid £346,000 to retire immediately under a non-disclosure agreement. mdj
  • Score: 41

3:38pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Walthamster says...

bin yaqub wrote:
@ mdj.

"We already benefited from sharing best practice with Pakistan when Mr Ali's ward had a turnout of 125% at the last election.
What more could we possibly learn?"


Could you possibly supply links to the proof of the accusations you have made now in public. If not perhaps you should edit it before it goes legal on you.
Have a nice day ya'all
Bin Yacub, do you live in Waltham Forest? Do you know anything about local events? This was all over the newspapers after the 2010 election and aroused a lot of comment. It's strange when 1,000 votes get added to a candidate's tally in London, so people talk about it. And it's strange when this is only picked up by a member of the public.
[quote][p][bold]bin yaqub[/bold] wrote: @ mdj. "We already benefited from sharing best practice with Pakistan when Mr Ali's ward had a turnout of 125% at the last election. What more could we possibly learn?" Could you possibly supply links to the proof of the accusations you have made now in public. If not perhaps you should edit it before it goes legal on you. Have a nice day ya'all[/p][/quote]Bin Yacub, do you live in Waltham Forest? Do you know anything about local events? This was all over the newspapers after the 2010 election and aroused a lot of comment. It's strange when 1,000 votes get added to a candidate's tally in London, so people talk about it. And it's strange when this is only picked up by a member of the public. Walthamster
  • Score: 39

3:46pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Villagecranberry says...

bin yaqub wrote:
@ mdj.

"We already benefited from sharing best practice with Pakistan when Mr Ali's ward had a turnout of 125% at the last election.
What more could we possibly learn?"


Could you possibly supply links to the proof of the accusations you have made now in public. If not perhaps you should edit it before it goes legal on you.
Have a nice day ya'all
You are a bit dusty Bin on your local politics.
[quote][p][bold]bin yaqub[/bold] wrote: @ mdj. "We already benefited from sharing best practice with Pakistan when Mr Ali's ward had a turnout of 125% at the last election. What more could we possibly learn?" Could you possibly supply links to the proof of the accusations you have made now in public. If not perhaps you should edit it before it goes legal on you. Have a nice day ya'all[/p][/quote]You are a bit dusty Bin on your local politics. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 26

5:02pm Fri 4 Apr 14

fed up man says...

LOVELY!!! MAYBE THEY CAN THEN INVITE THE AJK PRESIDENT FOR LUNCH IN KEBABISH IN ST JAMES ST (OWNED BY MAYORS FAMILY) WHICH WAS IN LAST WEEKS GUARDIAN AS ONE OF THE FILTHIEST PLACES TO EAT IN WALTHAMSTOW!! TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY AND TIME THIS TRIP!! THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND!!
LOVELY!!! MAYBE THEY CAN THEN INVITE THE AJK PRESIDENT FOR LUNCH IN KEBABISH IN ST JAMES ST (OWNED BY MAYORS FAMILY) WHICH WAS IN LAST WEEKS GUARDIAN AS ONE OF THE FILTHIEST PLACES TO EAT IN WALTHAMSTOW!! TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY AND TIME THIS TRIP!! THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND!! fed up man
  • Score: 41

5:38pm Fri 4 Apr 14

faro0485 says...

Wow. I was sad that I had not yet contacted the mayor and his Family and the other council candidates and now they had gone off abroad. I was hoping to tell them why I am running as a Ukip candidate in William Morris Ward, and that they should join Ukip.
- Ummer Farooq @faro0485
Wow. I was sad that I had not yet contacted the mayor and his Family and the other council candidates and now they had gone off abroad. I was hoping to tell them why I am running as a Ukip candidate in William Morris Ward, and that they should join Ukip. - Ummer Farooq @faro0485 faro0485
  • Score: 18

5:39pm Fri 4 Apr 14

faro0485 says...

Forgot to add that this news makes me think twice.
Forgot to add that this news makes me think twice. faro0485
  • Score: 11

6:23pm Fri 4 Apr 14

fabster says...

Their visit is "to share best practice in services and governance."

I have literally fallen off my chair.
Their visit is "to share best practice in services and governance." I have literally fallen off my chair. fabster
  • Score: 36

6:36pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Walthamster says...

fabster wrote:
Their visit is "to share best practice in services and governance."

I have literally fallen off my chair.
I suspect there's been an outbreak of falling off chairs, choking and blood-pressure crises since this story came out - I hope Whipps Cross hospital can cope!
[quote][p][bold]fabster[/bold] wrote: Their visit is "to share best practice in services and governance." I have literally fallen off my chair.[/p][/quote]I suspect there's been an outbreak of falling off chairs, choking and blood-pressure crises since this story came out - I hope Whipps Cross hospital can cope! Walthamster
  • Score: 33

7:08pm Fri 4 Apr 14

fabster says...

I have picked myself off from the floor, regained some composure & am back in my chair.

It seems to me that neither father nor son are too bothered about canvassing for local residents' votes, seeing as how we are now entering peak canvassing period towards the local elections in May. Many Councillors I know of are busy campaigning, leafleting, knocking on doors and speaking to residents to ensure they get the vote out. Are the Ali Father & Son duo so certain & confident of being re-elected that they see no need to court the High Street and William Morris ward residents? Or have they plans to relinquish being Councillors in their respective wards? My understanding is that Ali senior has his eye on being a Lord next?

Could it be that somehow the local Lab party have cleverly found a convenient way of getting Liaquat & Nadeem 'out of the way' so as not to have to deal with voters asking awkward questions whilst door stopping?

I shall look forward to looking at the declaration of interests & hospitality with a keen eye. The same one which of course, Liaquat did not bother to update for nigh on 9 years. And even when he did do, it was incomplete so as not to have declared the list of properties within his ward, co-owned by his Star estate agency &/or family - many of which, it is alleged by a BBC investigative journalist I once met, are traceable back to… you guessed it, the Kashmir region in Pakistan.
I have picked myself off from the floor, regained some composure & am back in my chair. It seems to me that neither father nor son are too bothered about canvassing for local residents' votes, seeing as how we are now entering peak canvassing period towards the local elections in May. Many Councillors I know of are busy campaigning, leafleting, knocking on doors and speaking to residents to ensure they get the vote out. Are the Ali Father & Son duo so certain & confident of being re-elected that they see no need to court the High Street and William Morris ward residents? Or have they plans to relinquish being Councillors in their respective wards? My understanding is that Ali senior has his eye on being a Lord next? Could it be that somehow the local Lab party have cleverly found a convenient way of getting Liaquat & Nadeem 'out of the way' so as not to have to deal with voters asking awkward questions whilst door stopping? I shall look forward to looking at the declaration of interests & hospitality with a keen eye. The same one which of course, Liaquat did not bother to update for nigh on 9 years. And even when he did do, it was incomplete so as not to have declared the list of properties within his ward, co-owned by his Star estate agency &/or family - many of which, it is alleged by a BBC investigative journalist I once met, are traceable back to… you guessed it, the Kashmir region in Pakistan. fabster
  • Score: 33

7:24pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Redbridge person says...

Hilarious...........
.but the idiots will probably vote them in again....
Hilarious........... .but the idiots will probably vote them in again.... Redbridge person
  • Score: 29

7:34pm Fri 4 Apr 14

sahw says...

One of the four, Haroon Khan, was not selected to stand in the election on 22 May.

Nevertheless, they should all be campaigning hard so close to the election date. If other parties make inroads into those wards I hope the Labour party will take note of their apparent lack of commitment.
One of the four, Haroon Khan, was not selected to stand in the election on 22 May. Nevertheless, they should all be campaigning hard so close to the election date. If other parties make inroads into those wards I hope the Labour party will take note of their apparent lack of commitment. sahw
  • Score: 21

8:23pm Fri 4 Apr 14

fed up man says...

ARE THESE THE BEST THE BRITISH PAKISTANI COMMUNITY CAN OFFER THIS BOROUGH!!!!!!!!!!! ANOTHER SLAP ACROSS THE FACE OF BRIT PAK COMMUNITY!! CAN IT GET ANY WORSE??
ARE THESE THE BEST THE BRITISH PAKISTANI COMMUNITY CAN OFFER THIS BOROUGH!!!!!!!!!!! ANOTHER SLAP ACROSS THE FACE OF BRIT PAK COMMUNITY!! CAN IT GET ANY WORSE?? fed up man
  • Score: 25

8:33pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Alan_1976 says...

Lots of comments about idiots voting for them. As per MDJ's comment fictional people's IQs are quite literally unmeasurable.
Lots of comments about idiots voting for them. As per MDJ's comment fictional people's IQs are quite literally unmeasurable. Alan_1976
  • Score: 20

8:46pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Walthamster says...

Alan_1976 wrote:
Lots of comments about idiots voting for them. As per MDJ's comment fictional people's IQs are quite literally unmeasurable.
Good point, Alan.

Does anyone know what the record number of voters registered in a Waltham Forest terraced house is?

Must get like Piccadilly Circus when everyone's trying to get out to work in the morning! (Just kidding...)
[quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: Lots of comments about idiots voting for them. As per MDJ's comment fictional people's IQs are quite literally unmeasurable.[/p][/quote]Good point, Alan. Does anyone know what the record number of voters registered in a Waltham Forest terraced house is? Must get like Piccadilly Circus when everyone's trying to get out to work in the morning! (Just kidding...) Walthamster
  • Score: 22

8:53pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Techno3 says...

Walthamster wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Lots of comments about idiots voting for them. As per MDJ's comment fictional people's IQs are quite literally unmeasurable.
Good point, Alan.

Does anyone know what the record number of voters registered in a Waltham Forest terraced house is?

Must get like Piccadilly Circus when everyone's trying to get out to work in the morning! (Just kidding...)
The people most likely to know the answer to your question would be local councillors, of whom roughly a quarter supplement their meagre livings as politicians by renting out property.
[quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: Lots of comments about idiots voting for them. As per MDJ's comment fictional people's IQs are quite literally unmeasurable.[/p][/quote]Good point, Alan. Does anyone know what the record number of voters registered in a Waltham Forest terraced house is? Must get like Piccadilly Circus when everyone's trying to get out to work in the morning! (Just kidding...)[/p][/quote]The people most likely to know the answer to your question would be local councillors, of whom roughly a quarter supplement their meagre livings as politicians by renting out property. Techno3
  • Score: 26

9:08pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Walthamster says...

Techno3 wrote:
Walthamster wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Lots of comments about idiots voting for them. As per MDJ's comment fictional people's IQs are quite literally unmeasurable.
Good point, Alan.

Does anyone know what the record number of voters registered in a Waltham Forest terraced house is?

Must get like Piccadilly Circus when everyone's trying to get out to work in the morning! (Just kidding...)
The people most likely to know the answer to your question would be local councillors, of whom roughly a quarter supplement their meagre livings as politicians by renting out property.
That's true, Techno. I hope they can find time between their onerous council duties (often several hours a month, for only £20-£30,000 a year) to keep their BTL properties up to legal condition.

But I suspect Alan and I were thinking of those voters who don't take up any room ...
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: Lots of comments about idiots voting for them. As per MDJ's comment fictional people's IQs are quite literally unmeasurable.[/p][/quote]Good point, Alan. Does anyone know what the record number of voters registered in a Waltham Forest terraced house is? Must get like Piccadilly Circus when everyone's trying to get out to work in the morning! (Just kidding...)[/p][/quote]The people most likely to know the answer to your question would be local councillors, of whom roughly a quarter supplement their meagre livings as politicians by renting out property.[/p][/quote]That's true, Techno. I hope they can find time between their onerous council duties (often several hours a month, for only £20-£30,000 a year) to keep their BTL properties up to legal condition. But I suspect Alan and I were thinking of those voters who don't take up any room ... Walthamster
  • Score: 27

9:28pm Fri 4 Apr 14

mdj says...

' Are the Ali Father & Son duo so certain & confident of being re-elected that they see no need to court the High Street and William Morris ward residents?'

I wonder if our statistician friend mentioned above could help us here?
There must be quite simple tests that could be applied to voting returns to indicate anomalies.

We all have a few weeks to check the electoral roll in the library: if we list a dozen houses we know of, and find things listed that don't make sense, the validity of the roll could be challenged before the election.
' Are the Ali Father & Son duo so certain & confident of being re-elected that they see no need to court the High Street and William Morris ward residents?' I wonder if our statistician friend mentioned above could help us here? There must be quite simple tests that could be applied to voting returns to indicate anomalies. We all have a few weeks to check the electoral roll in the library: if we list a dozen houses we know of, and find things listed that don't make sense, the validity of the roll could be challenged before the election. mdj
  • Score: 19

10:42pm Fri 4 Apr 14

sahw says...

mdj wrote:
' Are the Ali Father & Son duo so certain & confident of being re-elected that they see no need to court the High Street and William Morris ward residents?'

I wonder if our statistician friend mentioned above could help us here?
There must be quite simple tests that could be applied to voting returns to indicate anomalies.

We all have a few weeks to check the electoral roll in the library: if we list a dozen houses we know of, and find things listed that don't make sense, the validity of the roll could be challenged before the election.
We all have a right to examine the electoral list at the library to ensure accuracy.

For the past year I have been receiving mail addressed to someone who has never lived at my address. I check the electoral list every month to ensure they do not appear there.
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: ' Are the Ali Father & Son duo so certain & confident of being re-elected that they see no need to court the High Street and William Morris ward residents?' I wonder if our statistician friend mentioned above could help us here? There must be quite simple tests that could be applied to voting returns to indicate anomalies. We all have a few weeks to check the electoral roll in the library: if we list a dozen houses we know of, and find things listed that don't make sense, the validity of the roll could be challenged before the election.[/p][/quote]We all have a right to examine the electoral list at the library to ensure accuracy. For the past year I have been receiving mail addressed to someone who has never lived at my address. I check the electoral list every month to ensure they do not appear there. sahw
  • Score: 19

12:42am Sat 5 Apr 14

mdj says...

'For the past year I have been receiving mail addressed to someone who has never lived at my address'
This is more likely to be someone who has borrowed money naming your address as theirs; you may need to check that it has not impaired your credit rating, which is address-based.
Well done for checking the electoral roll.
'For the past year I have been receiving mail addressed to someone who has never lived at my address' This is more likely to be someone who has borrowed money naming your address as theirs; you may need to check that it has not impaired your credit rating, which is address-based. Well done for checking the electoral roll. mdj
  • Score: 19

2:21pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Ferdy54 says...

Its ok folks they left for their visit on April 1st, so must be a joke, yes? :-/

Hope they've taken lots of copies of WFN with them so they can read what a great borough they represent. And told them about the council tax benefits they'll get when they live here!!!
Its ok folks they left for their visit on April 1st, so must be a joke, yes? :-/ Hope they've taken lots of copies of WFN with them so they can read what a great borough they represent. And told them about the council tax benefits they'll get when they live here!!! Ferdy54
  • Score: 17

10:57am Sun 6 Apr 14

Robert19 says...

Good to have inter country exchanges of ideas. But why are all the councillors going of Pakistani/Kashmiri origin? Surely to make it worth while a more multicultural group would gain much more on both sides in terms of learning about each other's political and cultural systems. The visit lays itself open to being a junket.
Good to have inter country exchanges of ideas. But why are all the councillors going of Pakistani/Kashmiri origin? Surely to make it worth while a more multicultural group would gain much more on both sides in terms of learning about each other's political and cultural systems. The visit lays itself open to being a junket. Robert19
  • Score: 16

11:12am Tue 8 Apr 14

VillageIdiot69 says...

Robert19 wrote:
Good to have inter country exchanges of ideas. But why are all the councillors going of Pakistani/Kashmiri origin? Surely to make it worth while a more multicultural group would gain much more on both sides in terms of learning about each other's political and cultural systems. The visit lays itself open to being a junket.
What do you mean "lays itself open to being a junket" ?

Of course it's a bloody junket! A nice freeby for Ali and his cronies as they know they don't have to campaign for their votes as it'll just get rigged again like it did last time.

The sooner the voters in these wards wake up and start voting for other candidates, the sooner we'll be rid of these parasites.
[quote][p][bold]Robert19[/bold] wrote: Good to have inter country exchanges of ideas. But why are all the councillors going of Pakistani/Kashmiri origin? Surely to make it worth while a more multicultural group would gain much more on both sides in terms of learning about each other's political and cultural systems. The visit lays itself open to being a junket.[/p][/quote]What do you mean "lays itself open to being a junket" ? Of course it's a bloody junket! A nice freeby for Ali and his cronies as they know they don't have to campaign for their votes as it'll just get rigged again like it did last time. The sooner the voters in these wards wake up and start voting for other candidates, the sooner we'll be rid of these parasites. VillageIdiot69
  • Score: 13

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