Epsom and Sutton animal lovers bring dogs from 'hell hole' in Romania to UK

The Romanian dogs waiting to travel to the UK after living in

The Romanian dogs waiting to travel to the UK after living in "hell hole"

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Three animal lovers are importing 22 stray dogs this month after rescuing them from a Romanian "hell hole".

A new Romanian law provides for the killing of captured strays if they are not adopted within two weeks from dog shelters.

Last month Jennifer Gilbert, 36, from West Hill, Epsom, and Lisa Webster, 40, from Sherwood Park Road, Sutton, went out to save as many dogs as they could from a filthy shelter in Fundulea near Bucharest.

Two local women had rescued 200 dogs rounded up by dog catchers from a "death camp" but they ran out money and ended up abandoning their own shelter leaving the dogs to "rot in their own mess".

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Jennifer Gilbert and Lisa Webster with their dogs in Sutton 

Miss Gilbert, a trained veterinary nurse, said: "The dogs went from hell to hell. It was horrific. The smell in there was overpowering. 

"They had no windows, no air. Dogs were just lying there, they had all given up."

On their arrival, the pair set about buying medicine, treating pressure sores, building outdoor pens, feeding the dogs and bleaching the shelter.

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Along with Rachael Welch who is helping to fundraise, they are now bringing over 22 dogs from the shelter plus five more from a vet who has let their dogs stay in his shelter until they travel.

The dogs have already got pet passports, have had vaccinations and will be ready to travel to the UK by van on April 17 and their rescuers are now appealing for people to give them loving homes.

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She said: "We grew to love nearly every single dog in that shelter. When you’re there you think ‘I can’t leave’. We had to chose the ones we knew would make good pets. We couldn’t leave them in that hopelessness."

It is costing the three of them up to £200 per dog to bring them into the UK, adding up to at least £4,000. The women have already spent £2,000 out of their own pockets and given £1,000 in donations to the shelter.

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Some of the dogs that still need loving homes in the UK

Miss Gilbert, who was called out to Romania by a fellow animal rescuer, has helped with animal rescues in Greece over the past 17 years as well as doing rescue work in Thailand, Hong Kong and elsewhere.

She already has a Collie cross mongrel, Skooter, and will adopt two of the Romanian dogs, Shadow and Hopesey.

Miss Webster, who works as a dog sitter and for CES electrical contractors, has two dogs, including a three-legged adopted Romanian stray, and plans to take in another.

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She said: "It was like staring hell in the face every day and the dogs have to live in this environment day in, day out. They are imprisoned.

"Once you have seen it, you can't leave them. We love animals, we care about animals and we can give them a life."

On Monday, Miss Gilbert called this newspaper back in tears on discovering that the Authority for the Supervision and Protection of Animals (ASPA), which managers strays in Bucharest, planned to come and take away 80 dogs they had left behind.

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She said: "If they do, they will kill them instantly. If there is a kind sponsor who can assist with the building of a new shelter so we can get the remaining dogs to safety then please, please get in touch. We fear for those we were unable to save."

She said that a vet had agreed to build a new shelter for them, but it would cost about £6,600.

In September hundreds of Romanians demonstrated in favour of killing stray dogs in Bucharest after a four-year-old boy was mauled to death.

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Shortly after the Romanian government approved a law to kill stray dogs in the capital to the dismay of animal campaigners around the world.

Miss Gilbert, Miss Webster and Miss Welch are hosting a fundraising event with live music and a raffle at Ye Olde Red Lion in Cheam from 3pm on Saturday.

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The outdoor pen created by the women at the shelter

To offer donations, assistance or adopt one of the dogs please email liswebster@gmail.com or jenngilbert1977@gmail.com.

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Rachael Welch with her dog

 

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8:01am Thu 3 Apr 14

orderlykat says...

Sorry but you would be better off spending your time and money publicising about all the dogs being put to sleep in this country because of being abandoned, plenty of rescues here looking for homes for abandoned animals in the UK.
Sorry but you would be better off spending your time and money publicising about all the dogs being put to sleep in this country because of being abandoned, plenty of rescues here looking for homes for abandoned animals in the UK. orderlykat
  • Score: 12

9:25am Thu 3 Apr 14

JoBucks says...

I am a huge animal lover and always have rescue dogs, it's a shame these people didn't look closer to home and see the massive amount of dogs that need to be rescued in this country. Why are we importing ill treated animals when the rescue centres in the UK are full to bursting!
I am a huge animal lover and always have rescue dogs, it's a shame these people didn't look closer to home and see the massive amount of dogs that need to be rescued in this country. Why are we importing ill treated animals when the rescue centres in the UK are full to bursting! JoBucks
  • Score: 6

10:20am Thu 3 Apr 14

sjsunny says...

Why don't the local vets practices dig deep and contribute to this - let's face it they charge enough!
Why don't the local vets practices dig deep and contribute to this - let's face it they charge enough! sjsunny
  • Score: 12

11:46am Thu 3 Apr 14

helenrobinson says...

Well done Jennifer and Lisa, good work that you do. We have just adopted a Romanian shelter dog, and he is an absolute sweetheart. I would like you to change one part of your article though if you can - the dogs mauling a boy that started this kill policy - it is a commonly held belief that the child was murdered and left for the dogs to dispose of the body. The government did not want hysteria over a murderer on the loose so launched his policy instead, blaming the dogs. They also pay the dog shelters for each dog that is killed, which is why the shelter managers don't want to release the dogs to rescues.
Well done Jennifer and Lisa, good work that you do. We have just adopted a Romanian shelter dog, and he is an absolute sweetheart. I would like you to change one part of your article though if you can - the dogs mauling a boy that started this kill policy - it is a commonly held belief that the child was murdered and left for the dogs to dispose of the body. The government did not want hysteria over a murderer on the loose so launched his policy instead, blaming the dogs. They also pay the dog shelters for each dog that is killed, which is why the shelter managers don't want to release the dogs to rescues. helenrobinson
  • Score: 12

11:54am Thu 3 Apr 14

LOLLY7 says...

There are abandon dogs here in the uk that find them self's in a shelter home, but for what ever the reason this might be that they go in to a shelter home at least when the dogs arrives there at the shelters around the uk the dogs are treated humainly and if they were never able to be rehomed for what ever the reason this might be and have to be put down it will always be done with kindness and dignity and no suffering involved. These poor dogs in Romaina have NO ONE to speak for them NO RSPCA to protect them from this dreadfull cruelty and all they have to look forward to is to be killed in a barbaric manor so I say you you ladies who are doing this are very kind and caring people and have my vote and I will be making a contribution X
There are abandon dogs here in the uk that find them self's in a shelter home, but for what ever the reason this might be that they go in to a shelter home at least when the dogs arrives there at the shelters around the uk the dogs are treated humainly and if they were never able to be rehomed for what ever the reason this might be and have to be put down it will always be done with kindness and dignity and no suffering involved. These poor dogs in Romaina have NO ONE to speak for them NO RSPCA to protect them from this dreadfull cruelty and all they have to look forward to is to be killed in a barbaric manor so I say you you ladies who are doing this are very kind and caring people and have my vote and I will be making a contribution X LOLLY7
  • Score: 16

3:21pm Thu 3 Apr 14

cfc241974 says...

do gooders strike again,i think we have enough of our own dogs in rescue centres,next you will be saying they work harder than an English dog.
do gooders strike again,i think we have enough of our own dogs in rescue centres,next you will be saying they work harder than an English dog. cfc241974
  • Score: -2

3:41pm Thu 3 Apr 14

alroutemaster says...

Yes, there are dogs in the UK that need help, but people do what they feel they can, and these two ladies are doing that. Better they rescue these dogs than we have human Romanians coming here. These are people who think all dogs should be killed just because one child got mauled.......
Yes, there are dogs in the UK that need help, but people do what they feel they can, and these two ladies are doing that. Better they rescue these dogs than we have human Romanians coming here. These are people who think all dogs should be killed just because one child got mauled....... alroutemaster
  • Score: 2

4:02pm Thu 3 Apr 14

sjsunny says...

alroutemaster wrote:
Yes, there are dogs in the UK that need help, but people do what they feel they can, and these two ladies are doing that. Better they rescue these dogs than we have human Romanians coming here. These are people who think all dogs should be killed just because one child got mauled.......
>

Where is the logic in that statement? What does bringing stray dogs from Romania have to do with reducing or stopping Romanian citizens coming to the UK or Epsom? An uncalled for racist comment IMO!

It is also a huge generalisation to say that an entire race of people agree that all dogs should be killed in that country just because a child got mauled. There are dog lovers and haters in all parts of the world, the UK and Epsom included.
[quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote: Yes, there are dogs in the UK that need help, but people do what they feel they can, and these two ladies are doing that. Better they rescue these dogs than we have human Romanians coming here. These are people who think all dogs should be killed just because one child got mauled.......[/p][/quote]> Where is the logic in that statement? What does bringing stray dogs from Romania have to do with reducing or stopping Romanian citizens coming to the UK or Epsom? An uncalled for racist comment IMO! It is also a huge generalisation to say that an entire race of people agree that all dogs should be killed in that country just because a child got mauled. There are dog lovers and haters in all parts of the world, the UK and Epsom included. sjsunny
  • Score: -3

6:18pm Thu 3 Apr 14

pammy6767 says...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Did you know these dogs are pts by a shovel. Starvation. Anti freeze injections. To name a few. They live in horrendous conditions. Animal rescue has no borders be it across the road or the other side of the world!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Did you know these dogs are pts by a shovel. Starvation. Anti freeze injections. To name a few. They live in horrendous conditions. Animal rescue has no borders be it across the road or the other side of the world! pammy6767
  • Score: 9

10:12pm Thu 3 Apr 14

sproggie14 says...

Yes there are many dogs in need here but the suffering endured in Romania is far worse. There are no laws there guaranteeing them humane treatment, they are just seen as vermin. As long as we are rescuing dogs in need (and not spending hundreds on the latest ridiculous designer crossbreed ) that's all that matters. A dog in need is a dog in need no matter where they were born. Me and my rommie dog (and his two irish and one english friend) applaud these ladies for doing something brilliant to help (I wonder how many of the nay sayers can say they've done as much! ).
Yes there are many dogs in need here but the suffering endured in Romania is far worse. There are no laws there guaranteeing them humane treatment, they are just seen as vermin. As long as we are rescuing dogs in need (and not spending hundreds on the latest ridiculous designer crossbreed ) that's all that matters. A dog in need is a dog in need no matter where they were born. Me and my rommie dog (and his two irish and one english friend) applaud these ladies for doing something brilliant to help (I wonder how many of the nay sayers can say they've done as much! ). sproggie14
  • Score: 9

11:33pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Finnsmum says...

For all those that are commenting about saving UK rescue dogs...maybe you could campaign against backstreet breeders, or even breeders in general who are all contributing to the UK problem. I have also helped to save over 30 Romanian dogs in a year, it's hard work fundraising and yes, whilst UK dogs don't deserve to be put to sleep (humanely), why do dogs from other countries deserve it more? As stated above, cruel and inhumane methods are used to kill the foreign dogs.
Until you've seen it first hand you can't possibly understand what these two women have experienced. Give them credit for making a choice based on compassion and a desire to spend their own money where they see fit
For all those that are commenting about saving UK rescue dogs...maybe you could campaign against backstreet breeders, or even breeders in general who are all contributing to the UK problem. I have also helped to save over 30 Romanian dogs in a year, it's hard work fundraising and yes, whilst UK dogs don't deserve to be put to sleep (humanely), why do dogs from other countries deserve it more? As stated above, cruel and inhumane methods are used to kill the foreign dogs. Until you've seen it first hand you can't possibly understand what these two women have experienced. Give them credit for making a choice based on compassion and a desire to spend their own money where they see fit Finnsmum
  • Score: 13

2:03pm Fri 4 Apr 14

lulu64uk says...

These ladies are living angels, few would give up their time and money to help out animals abroad, but as others have said theyre love and compassion has no boundaries - This is a country that will allow an dog being walked by its owner to be beaten to death whilst still on the end of its leash...all legal (or so it seems) Yes we have strays here in the UK waiting homes but again as pointed out previously, this is thanks to overbreeding due to the greed in nmaking a few pounds...and most organisastions here will not beat and torture a dog if its not homed within 2 weeks - Keep up the magnificent work ladies, its definately apppreciated by this animal loving Guardian reader xx
These ladies are living angels, few would give up their time and money to help out animals abroad, but as others have said theyre love and compassion has no boundaries - This is a country that will allow an dog being walked by its owner to be beaten to death whilst still on the end of its leash...all legal (or so it seems) Yes we have strays here in the UK waiting homes but again as pointed out previously, this is thanks to overbreeding due to the greed in nmaking a few pounds...and most organisastions here will not beat and torture a dog if its not homed within 2 weeks - Keep up the magnificent work ladies, its definately apppreciated by this animal loving Guardian reader xx lulu64uk
  • Score: 9

9:25pm Fri 4 Apr 14

nettydavies says...

I agree these women are doing a wonderful job I to have just adopted a romanian dog it is true there are many animalsin the uk looking for homes but as it has already been mentioned they are treated with kindness and compassion and have Animal Welfare Groups to protect them unlike these poor dogs who lead sad pathetic lives and have no-one. I think its appalling that the Romanian Government have been allowed to pass this law based on an untruth about the boy who was murdered and the dogs are paying the price for this. Why are people against these kind caring women wanting to help I hope many more do they have my support along with many others. Keep up the good work ladies and shame on those that disapprove
I agree these women are doing a wonderful job I to have just adopted a romanian dog it is true there are many animalsin the uk looking for homes but as it has already been mentioned they are treated with kindness and compassion and have Animal Welfare Groups to protect them unlike these poor dogs who lead sad pathetic lives and have no-one. I think its appalling that the Romanian Government have been allowed to pass this law based on an untruth about the boy who was murdered and the dogs are paying the price for this. Why are people against these kind caring women wanting to help I hope many more do they have my support along with many others. Keep up the good work ladies and shame on those that disapprove nettydavies
  • Score: 5

11:12pm Fri 4 Apr 14

alfiecat says...

It is inconcievable that people would criticise what these people are doing. Yes, there are animals in this country who need re-homing and, as a human being who has worked with rescue organisations in this country for many years, I CAN ASSURE YOU that rescue animals here are treated humanely. I have worked as a rehoming checker for a large animal charity and ALL animals re-homed are kept in exemplary conditions, jabbed, wormed, de-flead, chipped and sterilised prior to homing. They are cared for by people who do it for the love of animals and they do a bloody good job. Young animals who have not reached sexual maturity have follow up checks to ensure that the sterilisation process is carried out. You cannot compare apples with oranges - the attitude in these third world eastern european countries towards animals is APPALLING. Poverty is widespread and even human life is de-valued if there is money to be made. Please check on the amount of human trafficking that takes place in the sex industry in Roumania, Bulgaria, Albania. What chance, therefore, does an animal have? None. Animals do not have a voice anywhere, but in the UK we DO regulate for the humane treatment of animals. Those who say we have a problem here are not wrong, but maybe you should be looking at puppy farms, unscrupulous breeders, people who breed dogs for fighting - but not charitable organisations who act with morals, within the law and do so out of a love for animals and a deep concern for their welfare. Those who like to criticise acts of humaity for the genuine concern for ani9mals please ask yourself if you are happy to turn your back on such inhumame and dire conditions that these poor creatures have to endure. Compassion for animals should NOT have geographic boundaries - you help those that are in the most dire need and who are being abused the most. I have visited these countries and seen it first hand. There is NO legislation, against cruelty, NO hope and subsequently NO protection for these animals. It is easy to cfriticise what these ladies have done but those who CAN'T criticise and pontificate but do NOT do anything and those who can DO. Ladies I applaud your magnificent efforts to try and make a difference - we are supposed to be the superior species and it rests on our shoulders to help those living creatures who cannot help themselves. If all of you who criticised spent the same energy DOING then maybe a lot more animals could escape their horrendous, cruel, fate.
It is inconcievable that people would criticise what these people are doing. Yes, there are animals in this country who need re-homing and, as a human being who has worked with rescue organisations in this country for many years, I CAN ASSURE YOU that rescue animals here are treated humanely. I have worked as a rehoming checker for a large animal charity and ALL animals re-homed are kept in exemplary conditions, jabbed, wormed, de-flead, chipped and sterilised prior to homing. They are cared for by people who do it for the love of animals and they do a bloody good job. Young animals who have not reached sexual maturity have follow up checks to ensure that the sterilisation process is carried out. You cannot compare apples with oranges - the attitude in these third world eastern european countries towards animals is APPALLING. Poverty is widespread and even human life is de-valued if there is money to be made. Please check on the amount of human trafficking that takes place in the sex industry in Roumania, Bulgaria, Albania. What chance, therefore, does an animal have? None. Animals do not have a voice anywhere, but in the UK we DO regulate for the humane treatment of animals. Those who say we have a problem here are not wrong, but maybe you should be looking at puppy farms, unscrupulous breeders, people who breed dogs for fighting - but not charitable organisations who act with morals, within the law and do so out of a love for animals and a deep concern for their welfare. Those who like to criticise acts of humaity for the genuine concern for ani9mals please ask yourself if you are happy to turn your back on such inhumame and dire conditions that these poor creatures have to endure. Compassion for animals should NOT have geographic boundaries - you help those that are in the most dire need and who are being abused the most. I have visited these countries and seen it first hand. There is NO legislation, against cruelty, NO hope and subsequently NO protection for these animals. It is easy to cfriticise what these ladies have done but those who CAN'T criticise and pontificate but do NOT do anything and those who can DO. Ladies I applaud your magnificent efforts to try and make a difference - we are supposed to be the superior species and it rests on our shoulders to help those living creatures who cannot help themselves. If all of you who criticised spent the same energy DOING then maybe a lot more animals could escape their horrendous, cruel, fate. alfiecat
  • Score: 8

12:49am Sat 5 Apr 14

alfiecat says...

sjsunny wrote:
alroutemaster wrote:
Yes, there are dogs in the UK that need help, but people do what they feel they can, and these two ladies are doing that. Better they rescue these dogs than we have human Romanians coming here. These are people who think all dogs should be killed just because one child got mauled.......
>

Where is the logic in that statement? What does bringing stray dogs from Romania have to do with reducing or stopping Romanian citizens coming to the UK or Epsom? An uncalled for racist comment IMO!

It is also a huge generalisation to say that an entire race of people agree that all dogs should be killed in that country just because a child got mauled. There are dog lovers and haters in all parts of the world, the UK and Epsom included.
To "where is the logic in that statement" author. Stop making this a political/racist subject. Do you anti-racist people trawl websites trying to stifle ANY possible racist comment? Get a life, get a grip and if you feel so strongly about this subject get yourself a soapbox in Speakers Corner or air your views on a site which is actually discussing racism. We are talking about animals, not politics. In addition, there ARE more people in Romania than the UK who do not care about the welfare of animals. It is the culture, political and economic landscape of the country that determines this. The Government do not have any mandate against animal cruelty. This is an extremely poor country where survival for humans is difficult, thus survival for animals is near impossible. The politicians are corrupt both financially, politically and morally - that is why immigration is one way traffic - heard of any one moving from the UK to Romania to get a better quality of life or indeed to improve the plight of animals? There is not anywhere near the same level of legal protection against cruelty to animals - this is an economic and cultural fact. I suggest you go there for yourself to see it first hand before shooting people down in flames for potential "racist" comments. The author that you have lambasted is right. I would rather have a Romanian animal in our country than a Romanian human - there is a moral bankruptcy in a country which has a 0 level of compassion for creatures who rely on our goodwill just to survive. If you grow up in a country which dismisses compassion to other living creatures you will carry that belief wherever you go geographically. In turn, this will prove be to the detriment of the animals who have been afforded protection, rights to live and thrive regardless of the laws that exist in the new host country. Read up!!
[quote][p][bold]sjsunny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote: Yes, there are dogs in the UK that need help, but people do what they feel they can, and these two ladies are doing that. Better they rescue these dogs than we have human Romanians coming here. These are people who think all dogs should be killed just because one child got mauled.......[/p][/quote]> Where is the logic in that statement? What does bringing stray dogs from Romania have to do with reducing or stopping Romanian citizens coming to the UK or Epsom? An uncalled for racist comment IMO! It is also a huge generalisation to say that an entire race of people agree that all dogs should be killed in that country just because a child got mauled. There are dog lovers and haters in all parts of the world, the UK and Epsom included.[/p][/quote]To "where is the logic in that statement" author. Stop making this a political/racist subject. Do you anti-racist people trawl websites trying to stifle ANY possible racist comment? Get a life, get a grip and if you feel so strongly about this subject get yourself a soapbox in Speakers Corner or air your views on a site which is actually discussing racism. We are talking about animals, not politics. In addition, there ARE more people in Romania than the UK who do not care about the welfare of animals. It is the culture, political and economic landscape of the country that determines this. The Government do not have any mandate against animal cruelty. This is an extremely poor country where survival for humans is difficult, thus survival for animals is near impossible. The politicians are corrupt both financially, politically and morally - that is why immigration is one way traffic - heard of any one moving from the UK to Romania to get a better quality of life or indeed to improve the plight of animals? There is not anywhere near the same level of legal protection against cruelty to animals - this is an economic and cultural fact. I suggest you go there for yourself to see it first hand before shooting people down in flames for potential "racist" comments. The author that you have lambasted is right. I would rather have a Romanian animal in our country than a Romanian human - there is a moral bankruptcy in a country which has a 0 level of compassion for creatures who rely on our goodwill just to survive. If you grow up in a country which dismisses compassion to other living creatures you will carry that belief wherever you go geographically. In turn, this will prove be to the detriment of the animals who have been afforded protection, rights to live and thrive regardless of the laws that exist in the new host country. Read up!! alfiecat
  • Score: -3

8:24am Sat 5 Apr 14

nettydavies says...

alfiecat wrote:
sjsunny wrote:
alroutemaster wrote:
Yes, there are dogs in the UK that need help, but people do what they feel they can, and these two ladies are doing that. Better they rescue these dogs than we have human Romanians coming here. These are people who think all dogs should be killed just because one child got mauled.......
>

Where is the logic in that statement? What does bringing stray dogs from Romania have to do with reducing or stopping Romanian citizens coming to the UK or Epsom? An uncalled for racist comment IMO!

It is also a huge generalisation to say that an entire race of people agree that all dogs should be killed in that country just because a child got mauled. There are dog lovers and haters in all parts of the world, the UK and Epsom included.
To "where is the logic in that statement" author. Stop making this a political/racist subject. Do you anti-racist people trawl websites trying to stifle ANY possible racist comment? Get a life, get a grip and if you feel so strongly about this subject get yourself a soapbox in Speakers Corner or air your views on a site which is actually discussing racism. We are talking about animals, not politics. In addition, there ARE more people in Romania than the UK who do not care about the welfare of animals. It is the culture, political and economic landscape of the country that determines this. The Government do not have any mandate against animal cruelty. This is an extremely poor country where survival for humans is difficult, thus survival for animals is near impossible. The politicians are corrupt both financially, politically and morally - that is why immigration is one way traffic - heard of any one moving from the UK to Romania to get a better quality of life or indeed to improve the plight of animals? There is not anywhere near the same level of legal protection against cruelty to animals - this is an economic and cultural fact. I suggest you go there for yourself to see it first hand before shooting people down in flames for potential "racist" comments. The author that you have lambasted is right. I would rather have a Romanian animal in our country than a Romanian human - there is a moral bankruptcy in a country which has a 0 level of compassion for creatures who rely on our goodwill just to survive. If you grow up in a country which dismisses compassion to other living creatures you will carry that belief wherever you go geographically. In turn, this will prove be to the detriment of the animals who have been afforded protection, rights to live and thrive regardless of the laws that exist in the new host country. Read up!!
I agree totally with this author why do people have to read racist comments in everything. I too would rather a Romanian animal than a human being as Im sure do many others
[quote][p][bold]alfiecat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sjsunny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote: Yes, there are dogs in the UK that need help, but people do what they feel they can, and these two ladies are doing that. Better they rescue these dogs than we have human Romanians coming here. These are people who think all dogs should be killed just because one child got mauled.......[/p][/quote]> Where is the logic in that statement? What does bringing stray dogs from Romania have to do with reducing or stopping Romanian citizens coming to the UK or Epsom? An uncalled for racist comment IMO! It is also a huge generalisation to say that an entire race of people agree that all dogs should be killed in that country just because a child got mauled. There are dog lovers and haters in all parts of the world, the UK and Epsom included.[/p][/quote]To "where is the logic in that statement" author. Stop making this a political/racist subject. Do you anti-racist people trawl websites trying to stifle ANY possible racist comment? Get a life, get a grip and if you feel so strongly about this subject get yourself a soapbox in Speakers Corner or air your views on a site which is actually discussing racism. We are talking about animals, not politics. In addition, there ARE more people in Romania than the UK who do not care about the welfare of animals. It is the culture, political and economic landscape of the country that determines this. The Government do not have any mandate against animal cruelty. This is an extremely poor country where survival for humans is difficult, thus survival for animals is near impossible. The politicians are corrupt both financially, politically and morally - that is why immigration is one way traffic - heard of any one moving from the UK to Romania to get a better quality of life or indeed to improve the plight of animals? There is not anywhere near the same level of legal protection against cruelty to animals - this is an economic and cultural fact. I suggest you go there for yourself to see it first hand before shooting people down in flames for potential "racist" comments. The author that you have lambasted is right. I would rather have a Romanian animal in our country than a Romanian human - there is a moral bankruptcy in a country which has a 0 level of compassion for creatures who rely on our goodwill just to survive. If you grow up in a country which dismisses compassion to other living creatures you will carry that belief wherever you go geographically. In turn, this will prove be to the detriment of the animals who have been afforded protection, rights to live and thrive regardless of the laws that exist in the new host country. Read up!![/p][/quote]I agree totally with this author why do people have to read racist comments in everything. I too would rather a Romanian animal than a human being as Im sure do many others nettydavies
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12:47am Mon 7 Apr 14

sjsunny says...

Alfiecat - please do not make assumptions! I actually have visited Romania and I am fully aware of the problems faced within that country. I have spoken with Romanians who are equally as frustrated as you are by the corruption and political system in the country. You are absolutely correct - you are talking about animals here and NOT humans, so the comment made about 'human Romanians' was not relevant and was indeed inappropriate. The tone of the comment and subsequent comments made, actually serves to undermine the original issue raised. I am an animal lover, but equally I have respect for my fellow human beings. Not every Romanian is cruel to animals, just as not every Spaniard enjoys bullfighting or every British person likes the Grand National or fox hunting!

There is a limit to how many animals can be rescued, the key here is to put efforts into re-education and awareness within the country itself with the powers that be in Romania. Prince Charles has purchased and renovated several properties in Romania himself - perhaps you and your fellow supporters of this cause could put your efforts into petitioning the Prince to help raise awareness within Romania of this issue rather than lambast a whole nation!
Alfiecat - please do not make assumptions! I actually have visited Romania and I am fully aware of the problems faced within that country. I have spoken with Romanians who are equally as frustrated as you are by the corruption and political system in the country. You are absolutely correct - you are talking about animals here and NOT humans, so the comment made about 'human Romanians' was not relevant and was indeed inappropriate. The tone of the comment and subsequent comments made, actually serves to undermine the original issue raised. I am an animal lover, but equally I have respect for my fellow human beings. Not every Romanian is cruel to animals, just as not every Spaniard enjoys bullfighting or every British person likes the Grand National or fox hunting! There is a limit to how many animals can be rescued, the key here is to put efforts into re-education and awareness within the country itself with the powers that be in Romania. Prince Charles has purchased and renovated several properties in Romania himself - perhaps you and your fellow supporters of this cause could put your efforts into petitioning the Prince to help raise awareness within Romania of this issue rather than lambast a whole nation! sjsunny
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