North Kent residents react in anger to street lights being turned off

North Kent residents react in anger to street lights being turned off

Tim Lee, Ray Chandler,Trevor Hassell and Gerry Higgins are annoyed that the lights in Sun Lane, Gravesend have been switched off between 12am and 5.30am as part of a year-long trial.

One of the lights in Sun Lane which is part of the scheme.

First published in News This Is Local London: Photograph of the Author by , deputy news editor

North Kent residents have reacted in anger to news some street lights will be turned off from midnight to 5.30am across the county in a year long trial.

Kent County Council has already rolled the scheme out across Sevenoaks and Tunbridge Wells and is now trialling the scheme in Gravesend and Dartford.

The county council will not switch off any street lights in town centres, areas with CCTV, anti-social behaviour areas, at busy road junctions, roundabouts or sites with road safety issues.

Trevor Hassel, 70, of Sun Lane, Gravesend, told News Shopper: "The whole scheme is utter madness, just unbelievable.

"The pavements round here are awful and I can just see more accidents happening. Elderly people are already nervous to go out in the dark.

"We are all paying the rates and I think this scheme is going to cost the council more money in people claiming for damage done by pot holes and people having accidents."

Jerry Higgins, 71, also of Sun Lane, added: "This latest fiasco is moronic to say the least and I have made my views clear to the council.

"I was actually told by someone at the council they are not under obligation to give street lighting "We live in an area which is near an estate and we need the street lights."

KCC says it will save £6.4 million with the scheme and has discussed the scheme with Kent Police and the Kent Association of Local Councils.

David Brazier, Kent County Council cabinet member for transport and environment, added: "We consulted widely on this, and it’s obvious there is support for the idea of reducing energy use and for the hours we will part-night light.

"There was also support for the criteria we use to select lights for part-night lighting.

"Our approach has always been a common sense one - we don’t need to light street lamps when they are not being used, after all you don’t leave your lights on at home when you go to bed."

A KCC interactive map shows the exact roads affected at kent.gov.uk/streetlights

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11:03am Tue 18 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Get over yaselves you silly old fools. Like you will even notice, I'd lay money you are in bed before 9pm so you wont even notice.

Just a band wagon to jump on as they have nothing better to do.
Get over yaselves you silly old fools. Like you will even notice, I'd lay money you are in bed before 9pm so you wont even notice. Just a band wagon to jump on as they have nothing better to do. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -17

11:21am Tue 18 Mar 14

PaulErith says...

I can see some logic in turning off some lights to save energy, although it will cause some safety issues. For people that are out after midnight and have to walk down the road, there's an increased risk of being mugged or beaten up if it's pitch black.
I can see some logic in turning off some lights to save energy, although it will cause some safety issues. For people that are out after midnight and have to walk down the road, there's an increased risk of being mugged or beaten up if it's pitch black. PaulErith
  • Score: 1

11:31am Tue 18 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

PaulErith wrote:
I can see some logic in turning off some lights to save energy, although it will cause some safety issues. For people that are out after midnight and have to walk down the road, there's an increased risk of being mugged or beaten up if it's pitch black.
Careful now, your quote could be misconstrued by old todger above and his cronies. Although you have a valid point, one cant help wondering why people should be out at these times. Everybody should be off the streets by 9pm to 6am.
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: I can see some logic in turning off some lights to save energy, although it will cause some safety issues. For people that are out after midnight and have to walk down the road, there's an increased risk of being mugged or beaten up if it's pitch black.[/p][/quote]Careful now, your quote could be misconstrued by old todger above and his cronies. Although you have a valid point, one cant help wondering why people should be out at these times. Everybody should be off the streets by 9pm to 6am. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 2

12:07pm Tue 18 Mar 14

PaulErith says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
I can see some logic in turning off some lights to save energy, although it will cause some safety issues. For people that are out after midnight and have to walk down the road, there's an increased risk of being mugged or beaten up if it's pitch black.
Careful now, your quote could be misconstrued by old todger above and his cronies. Although you have a valid point, one cant help wondering why people should be out at these times. Everybody should be off the streets by 9pm to 6am.
The day I'm indoors by 9pm is many years away I hope. :) I'm normally walking home from my local boozer after midnight 4 or 5 times a week. Have to keep your wits about you when hammered. Won't help if the lights are out.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: I can see some logic in turning off some lights to save energy, although it will cause some safety issues. For people that are out after midnight and have to walk down the road, there's an increased risk of being mugged or beaten up if it's pitch black.[/p][/quote]Careful now, your quote could be misconstrued by old todger above and his cronies. Although you have a valid point, one cant help wondering why people should be out at these times. Everybody should be off the streets by 9pm to 6am.[/p][/quote]The day I'm indoors by 9pm is many years away I hope. :) I'm normally walking home from my local boozer after midnight 4 or 5 times a week. Have to keep your wits about you when hammered. Won't help if the lights are out. PaulErith
  • Score: 9

1:45pm Tue 18 Mar 14

phanmale says...

Just noticed ours will be out during midnight hours - glad to see that Ill be coming home to a pitch black road on weekday evenings - mind you, it might stop the vandalism to my car if they'll be doing that by torchlight! :(

Wonder how much we will get knocked off our council tax as a result of all the money to be saved from turning the lamposts off? At a guess? Nothing :@
Just noticed ours will be out during midnight hours - glad to see that Ill be coming home to a pitch black road on weekday evenings - mind you, it might stop the vandalism to my car if they'll be doing that by torchlight! :( Wonder how much we will get knocked off our council tax as a result of all the money to be saved from turning the lamposts off? At a guess? Nothing :@ phanmale
  • Score: 1

2:42pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Geoff_BAR says...

The days are getting longer so it will still be light. You may as well turn the lights off 24/7 in the summer as it's so light anyway.
The days are getting longer so it will still be light. You may as well turn the lights off 24/7 in the summer as it's so light anyway. Geoff_BAR
  • Score: 3

3:31pm Tue 18 Mar 14

phanmale says...

Geoff_BAR wrote:
The days are getting longer so it will still be light. You may as well turn the lights off 24/7 in the summer as it's so light anyway.
Geoff, since when has it been daylight between midnight and 5.30am?

And by your comments, I'm guessing you also wasn't affected by the 3 day powercut in July 2009 - supposedly summer evenings, but with no lights from any source (other than the occasional generator powered area), it was most definitely dark after sunset :-/
[quote][p][bold]Geoff_BAR[/bold] wrote: The days are getting longer so it will still be light. You may as well turn the lights off 24/7 in the summer as it's so light anyway.[/p][/quote]Geoff, since when has it been daylight between midnight and 5.30am? And by your comments, I'm guessing you also wasn't affected by the 3 day powercut in July 2009 - supposedly summer evenings, but with no lights from any source (other than the occasional generator powered area), it was most definitely dark after sunset :-/ phanmale
  • Score: -1

3:41pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Geoff_BAR says...

phanmale wrote:
Geoff_BAR wrote:
The days are getting longer so it will still be light. You may as well turn the lights off 24/7 in the summer as it's so light anyway.
Geoff, since when has it been daylight between midnight and 5.30am?

And by your comments, I'm guessing you also wasn't affected by the 3 day powercut in July 2009 - supposedly summer evenings, but with no lights from any source (other than the occasional generator powered area), it was most definitely dark after sunset :-/
But the sun works harder in summer to produce more heat and sunlight which can carry on into the night, and therefore because it overworks itself in summer it needs rest so it goes to sleep earlier in winter.

So using the lights in winter is acceptable.
[quote][p][bold]phanmale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Geoff_BAR[/bold] wrote: The days are getting longer so it will still be light. You may as well turn the lights off 24/7 in the summer as it's so light anyway.[/p][/quote]Geoff, since when has it been daylight between midnight and 5.30am? And by your comments, I'm guessing you also wasn't affected by the 3 day powercut in July 2009 - supposedly summer evenings, but with no lights from any source (other than the occasional generator powered area), it was most definitely dark after sunset :-/[/p][/quote]But the sun works harder in summer to produce more heat and sunlight which can carry on into the night, and therefore because it overworks itself in summer it needs rest so it goes to sleep earlier in winter. So using the lights in winter is acceptable. Geoff_BAR
  • Score: 0

5:57pm Tue 18 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

PaulErith wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
I can see some logic in turning off some lights to save energy, although it will cause some safety issues. For people that are out after midnight and have to walk down the road, there's an increased risk of being mugged or beaten up if it's pitch black.
Careful now, your quote could be misconstrued by old todger above and his cronies. Although you have a valid point, one cant help wondering why people should be out at these times. Everybody should be off the streets by 9pm to 6am.
The day I'm indoors by 9pm is many years away I hope. :) I'm normally walking home from my local boozer after midnight 4 or 5 times a week. Have to keep your wits about you when hammered. Won't help if the lights are out.
Heaven forbid you can afford to get hammered4 or 5 nights of the week and still stagger home, but what the heck, it's all good clean fun eh? Good times.
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: I can see some logic in turning off some lights to save energy, although it will cause some safety issues. For people that are out after midnight and have to walk down the road, there's an increased risk of being mugged or beaten up if it's pitch black.[/p][/quote]Careful now, your quote could be misconstrued by old todger above and his cronies. Although you have a valid point, one cant help wondering why people should be out at these times. Everybody should be off the streets by 9pm to 6am.[/p][/quote]The day I'm indoors by 9pm is many years away I hope. :) I'm normally walking home from my local boozer after midnight 4 or 5 times a week. Have to keep your wits about you when hammered. Won't help if the lights are out.[/p][/quote]Heaven forbid you can afford to get hammered4 or 5 nights of the week and still stagger home, but what the heck, it's all good clean fun eh? Good times. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: -1

8:47pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
I can see some logic in turning off some lights to save energy, although it will cause some safety issues. For people that are out after midnight and have to walk down the road, there's an increased risk of being mugged or beaten up if it's pitch black.
Careful now, your quote could be misconstrued by old todger above and his cronies. Although you have a valid point, one cant help wondering why people should be out at these times. Everybody should be off the streets by 9pm to 6am.
The day I'm indoors by 9pm is many years away I hope. :) I'm normally walking home from my local boozer after midnight 4 or 5 times a week. Have to keep your wits about you when hammered. Won't help if the lights are out.
Heaven forbid you can afford to get hammered4 or 5 nights of the week and still stagger home, but what the heck, it's all good clean fun eh? Good times.
And what about all the people who do not do 9 to 5 jobs?

Still, it wasn't that safe in Petts Wood with the lights on the other night come to think of it... that is even more of a concern.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: I can see some logic in turning off some lights to save energy, although it will cause some safety issues. For people that are out after midnight and have to walk down the road, there's an increased risk of being mugged or beaten up if it's pitch black.[/p][/quote]Careful now, your quote could be misconstrued by old todger above and his cronies. Although you have a valid point, one cant help wondering why people should be out at these times. Everybody should be off the streets by 9pm to 6am.[/p][/quote]The day I'm indoors by 9pm is many years away I hope. :) I'm normally walking home from my local boozer after midnight 4 or 5 times a week. Have to keep your wits about you when hammered. Won't help if the lights are out.[/p][/quote]Heaven forbid you can afford to get hammered4 or 5 nights of the week and still stagger home, but what the heck, it's all good clean fun eh? Good times.[/p][/quote]And what about all the people who do not do 9 to 5 jobs? Still, it wasn't that safe in Petts Wood with the lights on the other night come to think of it... that is even more of a concern. Dr. Nick
  • Score: 0

9:17pm Tue 18 Mar 14

laser_jock99 says...

Crime usually goes down in areas with part night lighting. Reported crimes went down in Warwickshire by over 30% AGAINST what the whingers said would happen. Apparently those nasty criminal types and anti-social youths don't like the dark either!!
Crime usually goes down in areas with part night lighting. Reported crimes went down in Warwickshire by over 30% AGAINST what the whingers said would happen. Apparently those nasty criminal types and anti-social youths don't like the dark either!! laser_jock99
  • Score: 2

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